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Joseph,

This is contrary to what I know most recruiters to operate like. The
ones I worked with simply negotiate with their Client (the company
they recruit for) a percentage of the employee's salary. That is extra
and does NOT get subtracted from the future employee's salary.
Therefore, the higher your salary, the higher their commission, so it
is in their interest to get you a good pay.
I don't know how many work like that, but in my understNding most of them.

-Victor

On 7/17/08, Joseph Pizzo <jpizzo2004 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm usually silent throughout these rants but...
>
> There is no EOE (equal opportunity employment) when working with a
> recruiter. I'm not saying that all recruiters are bad - but they are not
> there to help you negotiate your salary... they are negotiating their
> commission.
>
> Recruiters will ask you "what is the least amount of salary you will accept
> for this position?". That same recruiter will go on to the next person and
> ask them the same question. They will take the lowest bidder and pass them
> on to their client.
>
> This is bad because it lowers your salary for the entire time you are
> employed at a company. "They" (meaning companies hiring and recruiters) love
> this game. Recruiters make a hefty commission and companies use part of your
> salary to pay them. The company hiring for the position is supposed to pay
> the recruiter - but they are doing it with your money. This also means that
> the company is getting a "bargain" because they only have to pay a recruiter
> once - meanwhile you are making less money than you should be for the
> remaining time of your employment.
>
> This is bad for the companies looking to fill a position because they are
> not going to get the best candidate for a position. They will get the lowest
> bidder not the most qualified person.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 7/17/08, Kristina Anderson <ka at kacomputerconsulting.com> wrote:
> From: Kristina Anderson <ka at kacomputerconsulting.com>
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-jobs] job: Sr. PHP developer - startup - Union Square
> NYC
> To: "kaye" <kaye at cisny.com>, jobs at lists.nyphp.org
> Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 9:25 AM
>
> also
>
> Environment: Relaxed
>
> can often mean
>
> "Not only does our senior management LOOK like a bunch of potheads in
> their super relaxed casual wear, they actually ARE a bunch of potheads,
> and this is their first real job, and therefore while THEY may find the
> environment relaxed, you their employee will be subject to constant
> boneheaded reversals and poor decision making skills on their part
> ensuring that you are anything BUT relaxed."
>
> -- Kristina
>
>
>
>> stuff like
>>
>> Environment: Relaxed
>>
>> actually means "we all wear really hideous casual clothing, and we
> want
>> you to dress this way too, because if you're comfortable in your
> funny
>> shorts and faded t-shirt, then we think you won't realize that you
> are
>> working 12 hour days in a slavepit without even some non-soundproof
>> cubicle walls to call your own."
>>
>> This is a prime example of what you do not want to say.
>> Programmers don't care about dress codes.  Even if there is one, we
> are
>> going to dress the way we want to dress anyway.
>>
>> also, exactly WHAT is "in the space between e-commerce and content /
> ad
>> driven"...?
>>
>>
>> --Kristina
>>
>>
>> > Listening to the list last night and this morning, why not tell us
>> > recruiters, both in-house and agency, what you want to see in the
> ads?
>> >
>> > I've cut this down to the bone. I've got more information but
> all
> the
>> > verbiage in an email isn't as good as a 10 minute conversation
> with
>> me,
>> > and a face to face with the client company.
>> >
>> > If you are interested, or you want more information, drop me an e-
>> mail
>> > or give me a call. The number's there.
>> >
>> > This is an employee position.
>> >
>> > Location: Union Square, NYC
>> > Company type: small, interactive, whose profitable business is in
> the
>> > space between e-commerce and content / ad driven.
>> > Environment: Relaxed
>> > The need: a strong Object Oriented PHP developer who likes to write
>> > complex SQL statements and can also produce excellent front end
> AJAX.
>> >
>> > The team is multi-national, as is the senior management.
>> >
>> > What will you be doing? Creating scalable websites whose hit
> numbers
>> go
>> > from 10s of thousands to 10s of millions. Growing - expected to
>> double
>> > in size in two years.
>> >
>> > Excellent benefits.
>> > Salary, depending on experience, to 95K + bonuses.
>> >
>> > All replies in confidence.
>> >
>> > --
>> > What's around the corner?
>> >
>> > Arthur Kaye		    Concepts in Staffing
>> > v.212-293-4353	    9 E. 37th St. 2nd floor
>> > f. 212-652-0789	    New York, NY 10016
>> > kaye at cisny.com           212-725-0300
>> > http://www.cisny.com/
>> >
>> >
>> >
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