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[Shahan Avedian]

When PHP becomes adopted by more and more large corporate clients all of this nonesense (you get an equity stake in my cubicle)  will go away.... Bloomberg has started to implemented Flex for
some of their UI and so that day is coming closer and closer.  ( Please don't send me an e-mail telling me PHP is not the same as Flex.. I am just making a point).

SA
-----Original Message-----
From: Kristina D. H. Anderson [mailto:ka at kacomputerconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 1:48 PM
To: Shahan Avedian; Laura; Kristina D. H. Anderson; Victor Olteanu; jobs at lists.nyphp.org
Subject: RE: [nycphp-jobs] Question: Re: Senior PHP5 developer - Social media

OK, so they want someone senior with tons of work experience to work
for "low salary + equity" in a noisy office filled with 23 year old
kids playing foosball...

YEAP that sounds about right.  :)

Kristina

>
> As  a recruiter, in my opinion whenever I read those type of things
the first thing I think about is that the job does not pay a lot of
money.
>
> The term "rockstar" is their inarticulate way of trying to find
someone senior with plenty of work experience.   When you
see "foosball" and "Star Wars Trivia"  that is usually code for "we are
going to try to say things to take the focus off of compensation"   I
don't think it has anything to do with male vs. female...but it
probably means everyone there is young
>
>
>  They're led by a management team with a track record of
>
> > success in the online world, and their current investors are made
up of some of the most respected names in the business.
>
> Whenever a posting has to references "investors" it usually means the
source of your salary is coming from venture funding and not actual
profits generated by the business.  If you sell 1 widget in September
and 2 widgets in October you can say you grew by 100%..so when ads talk
about rapid growth rate it usually implies it's a small place.
Revenue growth does not translate into profitable or viable business
model.
>
> I recruit for many other skillsets then PHP but it seems these types
of Hype are more typical of PHP centric positions.
>
> What I would know as a candidate is "What does it pay?"  and
recuriters should list the salary or hourly rate into the job
description.  Few job descriptions do that.
>
> SA
>
> From: jobs-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:jobs-
bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Laura
> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 1:10 PM
> To: Kristina D. H. Anderson
> Cc: Victor Olteanu; jobs at lists.nyphp.org
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-jobs] Question: Re: Senior PHP5 developer -
Social media
>
> It's funny how most of these things are code words for "male."
>
> Except, actually, not so much funny at all...
>
> Laura
>
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Kristina D. H. Anderson
<ka at kacomputerconsulting.com<mailto:ka at kacomputerconsulting.com>> wrote:
> So in other words, unless the job posting specifically contains the
> exact phrases "foosball", "rock star", "Star Wars trivia" or "we all
> enjoy going out after work together for a beer, and you should really
> want to do that with us"...
>
> I think I'm starting to understand.
>
> Kristina
>
>
>
> >
> > I think it means it's a cohesive group. In some companies nobody
> talks to
> > each other, and it seems what they're saying is that these guys are
> friendly
> > and communicative, which is something I personally consider a big
> plus.
> >
> > V
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Kristina D. H. Anderson <
> > ka at kacomputerconsulting.com<mailto:ka at kacomputerconsulting.com>>
wrote:
> >
> > > I'm wondering what it means to other people on this list when they
> read
> > > something like "This is a group that works and plays well
together."
> > >
> > > Does this mean that socializing with co-workers is a requirement
of
> the
> > > job?  That the office environment is loud and boisterous [see,
viz.,
> > > other job postings that mention foosball in the office, etc.] and
> that
> > > concentration may therefore be a difficult task?  Does it mean
that
> > > there is a high value placed on "fitting in" i.e. that the team be
> > > homogeneous and therefore they are probably looking to bring in
only
> > > people of a certain "type" to be on the "team"...?
> > >
> > > Your comments and feedback are appreciated and hope that this is
in
> the
> > > spirit of sincere discussion about how to read job postings!
> > >
> > > - Kristina
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Agreed all - let's keep comments useful and traffic to a
minimum -
> > > not to
> > > > sound like a third grade teacher, but constructive criticism is
> > > welcomed and
> > > > benefits both job hunters and recruiters.  Having a good
> discussion
> > > with wit
> > > > is also important, but do remember that this list gets a lot of
> > > traffic for
> > > > a jobs list.
> > > >
> > > > H
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: jobs-bounces at lists.nyphp.org<mailto:jobs-
bounces at lists.nyphp.org> [mailto:jobs-<mailto:jobs->
> > > > > bounces at lists.nyphp.org<mailto:bounces at lists.nyphp.org>] On
Behalf Of John Schoneboom
> > > > > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:06 AM
> > > > > To: jobs at lists.nyphp.org<mailto:jobs at lists.nyphp.org>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [nycphp-jobs] Senior PHP5 developer - Social media
> > > > >
> > > > > Gotta weigh in on the side of the wise-asses.  Brian's comment
> is
> > > well
> > > > > taken and it's true we don't want to discourage job posters.
> On the
> > > > > other hand I think there's equally good if not better value in
> using
> > > > > this network to reality-check with each other once in a while.
> Wise
> > > > > cracks not only keep things a bit fun but they also can
reflect
> some
> > > > > truths about the market.  I wouldn't sleep well at night
> thinking
> > > the
> > > > > rest of you were unanimously going around thinking of
> yourselves in
> > > > > all earnestness as rockstars out to change the world with your
> > > passion
> > > > > to work 20 hours a day.  If we can have the slightest
influence
> on
> > > > > employer's expectations by means of our sarcastic feedback, so
> much
> > > > > the better.
> > > > >
> > > > > John
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