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Zachary Fuller plebe at plebeian.org
Fri Feb 3 19:16:16 EST 2006 

perfect!

Cheers,

Joel Fuller

The MA
Multi-media and Internet Solutions

jfuller at the-ma.com

http://www.the-ma.com




On Feb 3, 2006, at 4:13 PM, Phil Taylor wrote:

> You can link to the public archive of all sent newsletters using a  
> crafted url like
>
> http://www.phil-taylor.com/index.php?option=com_lm&task=archive
>
> for example
> Phil.
>
> If I am online click the button below to contact me instantly!
>
>
> Blue Flame IT Ltd.
> 9 Lambourne Close
> The Deer Park
> Ledbury
> HR8 2HW
> --
> Office: 0800 358 5498
> Mobile: 0800 358 5499
> FAX: 0871 733 5514
> --
> Email: sales at phil-taylor.com
> Web: www.phil-taylor.com
> --
>
>
> Zachary Fuller wrote:
>> Hi Phil,
>>
>> Thanks so much for your help. This looks like what I want. I'll  
>> buy it myself and give it a go for my own newsletter and recommend  
>> site/s use it if all looks good.
>>
>> Yes, I know about the mosCE option to use absolute URLs.  I see  
>> why this is important. Thanks.
>>
>> re: SEF.  I suppose this is not necessary if it works as you say.  
>> I was thinking in terms of a "physical URL" they could access  
>> later for archives, but this is not really necessary as I see now  
>> looking at the demo.
>>
>> I gave the demo a look-see.  Fantastic!  This is exactly what I  
>> was looking for.  I suppose if I was to get anal, I'd request a  
>> feature of editing a "basic" newsletter creation  ability through  
>> the front-end, but given the lack of quality newsletters for  
>> Joomla now it seems a front-runner. --Not to insult anyone's hard  
>> work on other systems of course!  BTW, I'm a phil-a-form owner as  
>> well.
>>
>> Right! Thanks,
>> Joel
>>
>>
>> Joel Fuller
>>
>> The MA
>> Multi-media and Internet Solutions
>>
>> jfuller at the-ma.com
>>
>> http://www.the-ma.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 3, 2006, at 3:51 PM, Phil Taylor wrote:
>>
>>>> 1. Since Joomla does not create static (physical) pages, how will
>>>> this affect sending a newsletter using the standard (mosCE) editor
>>>> and image insertion?
>>> Newsletters in mosLM are not pages tat the site uses, you paste/ 
>>> create your HTML and Text versions of your newsletter either in  
>>> Dreamweaver or using the built in WYSIWYG editor in mosLM and  
>>> then hit the send.  This gives you what you ask in terms of image  
>>> insertion, apart from if you are usin gmosCE you have to change a  
>>> configuraton option to show absolute urls for images (can be done  
>>> in mosCE configuration component.
>>>> 2. Does mosListMessenger use the same method of building pages as
>>>> Joomla (images on server, data in database), or does it "build" a
>>>> physical page and store it on the server for sending and later
>>>> retrieval?
>>> It saves the HTML/Text you add in the Compose message screen to  
>>> the database so you can resend that mail again in the future, all  
>>> images are stored as normal on the server.
>>>> 3. Will all this work with some kind of SEF component so I can  
>>>> use a
>>>> URL like http://mysite.com/newsletter/letter_01-01-06.html ?
>>> Not sure why you would want a newsletter using SEF, but mosLM  
>>> will send whatever HTML you like in the newsletter.
>>>> 4. Can I create a newsletter from the front-end?
>>> No. Try the demo at http://www.phil-taylor.ocm/Demo Phil.
>>>
>>> If I am online click the button below to contact me instantly!
>>>
>>>
>>> Blue Flame IT Ltd.
>>> 9 Lambourne Close
>>> The Deer Park
>>> Ledbury
>>> HR8 2HW
>>> --
>>> Office: 0800 358 5498
>>> Mobile: 0800 358 5499
>>> FAX: 0871 733 5514
>>> --
>>> Email: sales at phil-taylor.com
>>> Web: www.phil-taylor.com
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Zachary Fuller wrote:
>>>> That's great to hear Phil!  I'll download your trial and check out
>>>> the interface.  One thing I'm not sure if you've had a request  
>>>> for is
>>>> this:
>>>>
>>>> Obviously to create a really "fancy" letter, someone experienced
>>>> enough to create a page in Dreamweaver or GoLive and upload the  
>>>> page
>>>> and images could handle it, then send that url or page as the  
>>>> letter.
>>>>
>>>> Most of my clients, however, barely know what "Dream-receiver" is,
>>>> and want to send email newsletters but require using the SAME  
>>>> editor
>>>> they use in Joomla (after being trained) to create their letter!
>>>> This way they learn ONE system, and can style (I can provide some
>>>> custom CSS selectors for use in the editor) the letter as they wish
>>>> as easily as they do in creating new content.  So if your system  
>>>> lets
>>>> me create newsletters with the standard editor and inside Joomla,
>>>> that's great!
>>>>
>>>> Technically I have some practical concerns perhaps some of you all
>>>> can add to. I often deal with folks that are either technically
>>>> naive, or elderly and just want it to "work." I need a system that
>>>> will perform reliably and "safely" (read: no work-arounds to muck
>>>> through). They also deal with large lists (in the 1,000's).
>>>>
>>>> 1. Since Joomla does not create static (physical) pages, how will
>>>> this affect sending a newsletter using the standard (mosCE) editor
>>>> and image insertion?
>>>> 2. Does mosListMessenger use the same method of building pages as
>>>> Joomla (images on server, data in database), or does it "build" a
>>>> physical page and store it on the server for sending and later
>>>> retrieval?
>>>> 3. Will all this work with some kind of SEF component so I can  
>>>> use a
>>>> URL like http://mysite.com/newsletter/letter_01-01-06.html ?
>>>> 4. Can I create a newsletter from the front-end?
>>>>
>>>> To put it simply, I want to be able to log-in, create a newsletter
>>>> with the standard Joomla editor, CSS, and images in the /stories
>>>> folder.  Then send the resulting pages' URL as the newsletter (I
>>>> would paste the plain-text in where appropriate).
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the help. Great discussion on newsletters folks!
>>>>
>>>> Joel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 2, 2006, at 11:43 PM, Graham Spice wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Awesome - thanks for proving me wrong, Phil! I'll look into it  
>>>>> as this
>>>>> is something I've been looking for for a while now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers-
>>>>> Graham Spice
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Phil Taylor <nyphp at phil-taylor.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is not true :-)  The patch to Joomla registration of  
>>>>>> adding new
>>>>>> users to mosLM is available at http://www.phil-taylor.com/Trial
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phil Taylor
>>>>>> Developer of mosListMessenger!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Graham Spice wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no API available for PHPlist...yet. There has been
>>>>>>> discussion
>>>>>>> about the beginnings of an API and the SOAP protocol on the
>>>>>>> developer
>>>>>>> discussion list in the past few weeks. Things could open up  
>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>> quickly from what I can tell.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can read the emails between the developers here:
>>>>>>> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.php.phplist.devel See the  
>>>>>>> thread
>>>>>>> called: Web Service Interface to PHPList
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Other newsletter related forum posts
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    * http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic,
>>>>>>> 30369.msg193037.html#msg193037
>>>>>>>    * http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic,12735.0.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 2, 2006, at 1:15 PM, Norman ONeil wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You could also try phplist if you want a challenge, the  
>>>>>>>>> other pay
>>>>>>>>> for one is put out by http://www.phil-taylor.com and is called
>>>>>>>>> mos/
>>>>>>>>> jos listmessenger. The latter one is integrated into joomla  
>>>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>>>> nicely, but still missing bounce processing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I disagree with this last statement because mosListMessenger  
>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> integrate with Joomla's user data! There used to be a hack  
>>>>>>> available
>>>>>>> to automatically sign someone up for the newsletter when they
>>>>>>> registered but that is no longer available. Being able to use
>>>>>>> Joomla's
>>>>>>> user data is is critical to the integration, IMHO. Related forum
>>>>>>> post:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    * http://forum.joomla.org/index.php/topic,
>>>>>>> 34399.msg192820.html#msg192820
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers-
>>>>>>> Graham Spice
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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