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[bruce at mtiglobal.com]

Hi,

As for cert tests, I'd probably do terrible.  I can never remember the
specific syntax.  But I can remember "how" to do something, or at least I
can figure out an approach to try.  Then I look at the object model to see
the specific syntax for that event, method, etc.  That is think is more
important - The Logic.  How does everything tie in together.  Where should
things be done -- client side, server side, business-logic-tier, etc.

As for junior developers not knowing everything . . . isn't that why they
are "junior" level?

Experience comes from experience!  Two people in the same situation will
take the experience differently.  One will sit around whining and say "I
never learned that . . . you don't pay me enough." and another one will
spend the time to figure it out, looking through books or API's online, or
posting questions on forums.

My $0.04 worth ($0.02 invested in dotcoms that went to $5.00 then back
down to $0.04!!!)

- Bruce


> Hi,
>
> My personal opinion is 'real Open Source developers doesn't need cert'.
> Just like any other issues, OSS philosophy developed its own unique
> 'certification way' by means of 'pet projects'.  Since most of the OSS
> developers already developing some sort of 'pet projects' for their own,
> this indicates what level of knowledge they have. Certifications are for
> developers who don't have any reference sites or apps to show, and/or
> doesn't have education background related to the field at all. If you're
> talented and know how to express yourself, guy sitting accross the table
> on an inverview will going to notice your talent. If they can't notice
> your capabilities, you don't even need to show a certification :-))
> I suggest recruitters to look for the ones with pet projects instead of
> certification.
>
> PS: I don't have pet project(I can't even call it pet project)
>
> Best
>
>
> Kayra Otaner
>
>
> --- Jon Baer <jonbaer at jonbaer.net> wrote:
>> max goldberg wrote:
>>
>> >I think to truly be qualified you need to understand many things
>> beyond syntax, which most people don't get. It seems no one even
>> writes code for high performance and low resource usage any more.
>> Everyone needs  their hand held through the most basic of exercises.
>> I'm not sure if  it's just my opinion and current situation, it just
>> seems like a lot
>> >
>> >
>> Ive noticed these comments to come from people in their mid-50, early
>> 60's who have spent more than 20 years on C/C++ and have absolutely no
>>  faith in high level languages :-)  Just an observation.
>>
>> But I think you are right, the very LAST thing people ever ask when
>> designing a web app today is what kind of resources in terms of memory
>>  requirements, scalability, etc ... I think its just a case of the
>> market  place that has turned from taking ur time to secure an app to
>> come in,  deploy tomorrow, fix bugs later if we need you.  I don't
>> think its a  case of not knowing what u are doing because today (vs.
>> yesterday) there  are several ways to accomplish one thing, no matter
>> if you are a junior  developer or senior architect.  There are things
>> that look pretty and  things that were a late night hack to make it
>> work, but who is to  decide?  I dont think much has changed, in fact I
>> got an assignment on  Saturday for a PHP-based quiz for a site
>> launching on Monday, Id like to  think my options were to figure out
>> how well their php.ini was tweeked  or how they are setup but its
>> something accomplished last nite for  peanuts.  Id like to think
>> something like a PHP+ certificate would help  get more work.
>>
>> Thanks for the link, I found it very informative, and enjoy the
>> discussion.
>>
>> - Jon
>>
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