From agolory at email.it  Wed Oct 16 14:51:09 2002
From: agolory at email.it (lory : :)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 20:51:09 +0200
Subject: find php script
In-Reply-To: <200209091933.g89JXxZr008412@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.1.20021016204614.009ddd70@popmail.email.it>

I've need of a php form that allow me to insert a FILE(zip), IMAGE, TITLE, 
SUBTITLE, DESCRIPTION and DATE..
and that make the webpage with all.
(ok also with mysql).

Where i can find a similar project?

tnx

lory : :



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From agolory at email.it  Wed Oct 16 15:27:16 2002
From: agolory at email.it (lory : :)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:27:16 +0200
Subject: [nycphp-talk] find php script
In-Reply-To: <200209091955.g89JtMZr008480@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.1.20021016211124.009dc6b0@popmail.email.it>

From: lory : : [mailto:agolory at email.it]

 >>> I've need of a php form that allow me to insert a FILE(zip), IMAGE,
 >>> TITLE,
 >>> SUBTITLE, DESCRIPTION and DATE..
 >>> and that make the webpage with all.
 >>> (ok also with mysql).
 >>>
 >>> Where i can find a similar project?
 >>
 >> Insert a file into what? Please provide an exmple of what you want,
 >> this description doesn't make much sense?:

sorry 4 english Adam :)
I would insert the files in a folder (like 'images') so i can download the 
file from a link that i write into php form... ok?

from the phpFORM: i want insert into a webpage:

*IMAGE*
*TITLE*
*SUBTITLE*
*DESCRIPTION*
*DATE*
*LINK* to file
*FILE* into folder IMAGE


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From nyphp at websapp.com  Tue Oct  1 21:10:51 2002
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:10:51 -0400
Subject: PHP Job
In-Reply-To: <200210010325.g913Pv4M013097@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000001c269b0$8cbe7d90$7560c118@blackjack>

Hi PHPers,

Once in a while I need some help on some projects I receive and use sub
contractors. One of my programmers, who has been doing a great job,
unfortunately needs to leave the city for a while. I am in search of a
replacement. If you are interested, please bring your resume over to the
PHP Meetup (http://php.meetup.com/) and we'll chat over some beer.
Please don't send resumes to my email.


Regards,
Daniel Kushner




From patterson at computer.org  Tue Oct  1 22:30:11 2002
From: patterson at computer.org (Bill Patterson)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 22:30:11 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Job
References: <200210020106.g9216q4M014618@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <006901c269bb$a27d0ba0$6401a8c0@audubn01.nj.comcast.net>

You've seen my code.  I am available now.  Should we talk?

(I don't expect to be at the meetup in NYC.)

Bill Patterson


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel Kushner" <nyphp at websapp.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 9:06 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Job


> Hi PHPers,
> 
> Once in a while I need some help on some projects I receive and use sub
> contractors. One of my programmers, who has been doing a great job,
> unfortunately needs to leave the city for a while. I am in search of a
> replacement. If you are interested, please bring your resume over to the
> PHP Meetup (http://php.meetup.com/) and we'll chat over some beer.
> Please don't send resumes to my email.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Daniel Kushner
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
> 
> 
> 



From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Wed Oct  2 00:59:56 2002
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 00:59:56 -0400
Subject: PHP/XML/RELAX NG verifier
References: <200210020106.g9216q4M014618@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3D9A7D4C.2080803@jonbaer.net>

Anyone know a good/or has developed a good library for Relax NG 
verification on an XML document?  I googled for it and found mostly all 
written in Java and would like to see if anyone was doing related stuff 
before I tried writing my own.

Thanks.

- Jon




From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Wed Oct  2 01:14:37 2002
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 01:14:37 -0400
Subject: ADODB vs. X/Y/Z
References: <200210020506.g925624M014865@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3D9A80BD.1000208@jonbaer.net>

I am assuming that while in the midst of starting a new project from 
absolute scratch it would be 100x better to use ADODB vs. any other code 
and have not seen any reason to doubt using it, are there any drawbacks 
before starting?  Anyone had bad experience with using it for all ur DB use?

Thanks.

- Jon  




From babacar at omnet.sn  Wed Oct  2 05:27:06 2002
From: babacar at omnet.sn (Babacar Mbaye)
Date: Wed,  2 Oct 2002 09:27:06 +0000
Subject: [nycphp-talk] ADODB vs. X/Y/Z
In-Reply-To: <200210020520.g925Kl4M014936@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210020520.g925Kl4M014936@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <1033550826.3d9abbeae9260@www.omnet.sn>

I used ADODB for Oracle and MySQL database (http://www.sentoo.sn) but I prefere 
PEAR which is developped and maintained by the PHP Group.
Best regards!
Babacar

Surlignage Jon Baer <jonbaer at jonbaer.net>:

> I am assuming that while in the midst of starting a new project from 
> absolute scratch it would be 100x better to use ADODB vs. any other code 
> and have not seen any reason to doubt using it, are there any drawbacks 
> before starting?  Anyone had bad experience with using it for all ur DB
> use?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> - Jon  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
> 
> 
> 


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From georgenatalino at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  2 12:08:42 2002
From: georgenatalino at yahoo.com (George Natalino)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:08:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Fwd: [nylug-announce] [nylug-talk] Wednesday 2 October 2002 WWWAC: Elmo's Free Software: Lessons Learned in Migrating Sesame Workshop from Vignette Story Server (fwd)
Message-ID: <20021002160842.7334.qmail@web11404.mail.yahoo.com>


 
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From bruce at mtiglobal.com  Thu Oct  3 05:59:12 2002
From: bruce at mtiglobal.com (bruce at mtiglobal.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 01:59:12 -0800 (CST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Internationaliz/sation - JSP vs. PHP
In-Reply-To: <200209302056.g8UKur4M012580@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200209302056.g8UKur4M012580@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <8721.65.112.109.66.1033581552.squirrel@taipei.mtiglobal.com>

I'll probably be using MySQL  -- Oracle is expensive and my friend's
company is not that big yet.  As for unicode, the servers are physically
located in Taiwan and much of the translation work deals with Chinese, so
dealing with unicode won't be too much of a problem.  I'm sure most of the
problems one runs into dealing with unicode have already been dealt with.


>
> I wrote my opnion before, but I think it lost in the talk at nyphp.org. I
> use oracle as the backend dabase,  but charset has to be set to utf8
> when you create a databse, you can use this charset for all languages in
> oracle. There are two ways to process mitiple languages in php, one is
> you have two sest of codes put into two different directories. another
> is you can use a very very long arrary to hold all languages, then print
> them out depened on the "locale" variable.
>
>  Joseph Annino wrote:I've had some luck with PHP and unicode, even
> without explicit support for
> it in the language. I used mysql as the database backend, and used vlib
> template to generate all my pages. Unicode text would pass through all
> of these unharmed, and you could even do searches containing unicode
> characters. Using a template system like vlib template, creating
> versions of the site for different languages is as simple as using a
> different template file. Just make sure you put a tag in the head
> section of the HTML template to set the encoding appropriately, and use
> some GET or session variable to specify the language.
>
> Depending on what level of internationalization support you need, this
> may be enough. You can get data in and out regardless of encoding so
> long as you maintain consistent throughout.
>
> On 9/26/02 10:42 AM, "Hans Zaunere" wrote:
>
>>
>> --- bruce at mtiglobal.com wrote:
>>> I'm going to work on a site for a friend's translation company. His
>>> company translates technical documents in 30+ asian/european
>>> languages.
>>> The site will be to market his company in different countries as well
>>> as
>>> have services for his translators.
>>>
>>> I've just begun to look through the tutorial on internationalization
>>> at
>>> java.sun.com as I begin thinking on the architecture of this site. Is
>>> there any similar documentation/tutorial online for php?
>>
>> There's a mailing list dedicated for the project:
>> http://www.php.net/mailing-lists.php
>>
>> And the project itself:
>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/php-i18n/
>>
>>> Do any of you have experience developing multilingual web sites? If
>>> yes, have you used JSP, PHP, or any other technology for this?
>>
>> I haven't done this sort of thing on this scale, but I have played
>> around with the php.net/recode functions a bit and some of the
>> different encodings. I know that there's a few people on this list
>> that have used the internationalization before, too.
>>
>> H
>>
>>
>> __________________________________________________
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>> New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!
>> http://sbc.yahoo.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Mark Jia
>
>
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From jannino at jannino.com  Wed Oct  2 15:59:28 2002
From: jannino at jannino.com (Joseph Annino)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 15:59:28 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Internationaliz/sation - JSP vs. PHP
In-Reply-To: <200210021759.g92HxO4M016128@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <B9C0C860.12C24%jannino@jannino.com>

The MySQL docs have a whole chapter about these issues:
http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Character_sets.html

I think MySQL handles these things in a simpler manner than Oracle.

On 10/2/02 1:59 PM, "bruce at mtiglobal.com" <bruce at mtiglobal.com> wrote:

> I'll probably be using MySQL  -- Oracle is expensive and my friend's
> company is not that big yet.  As for unicode, the servers are physically
> located in Taiwan and much of the translation work deals with Chinese, so
> dealing with unicode won't be too much of a problem.  I'm sure most of the
> problems one runs into dealing with unicode have already been dealt with.
> 
> 
>> 
>> I wrote my opnion before, but I think it lost in the talk at nyphp.org. I
>> use oracle as the backend dabase,  but charset has to be set to utf8
>> when you create a databse, you can use this charset for all languages in
>> oracle. There are two ways to process mitiple languages in php, one is
>> you have two sest of codes put into two different directories. another
>> is you can use a very very long arrary to hold all languages, then print
>> them out depened on the "locale" variable.
>> 
>>  Joseph Annino wrote:I've had some luck with PHP and unicode, even
>> without explicit support for
>> it in the language. I used mysql as the database backend, and used vlib
>> template to generate all my pages. Unicode text would pass through all
>> of these unharmed, and you could even do searches containing unicode
>> characters. Using a template system like vlib template, creating
>> versions of the site for different languages is as simple as using a
>> different template file. Just make sure you put a tag in the head
>> section of the HTML template to set the encoding appropriately, and use
>> some GET or session variable to specify the language.
>> 
>> Depending on what level of internationalization support you need, this
>> may be enough. You can get data in and out regardless of encoding so
>> long as you maintain consistent throughout.
>> 
>> On 9/26/02 10:42 AM, "Hans Zaunere" wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> --- bruce at mtiglobal.com wrote:
>>>> I'm going to work on a site for a friend's translation company. His
>>>> company translates technical documents in 30+ asian/european
>>>> languages.
>>>> The site will be to market his company in different countries as well
>>>> as
>>>> have services for his translators.
>>>> 
>>>> I've just begun to look through the tutorial on internationalization
>>>> at
>>>> java.sun.com as I begin thinking on the architecture of this site. Is
>>>> there any similar documentation/tutorial online for php?
>>> 
>>> There's a mailing list dedicated for the project:
>>> http://www.php.net/mailing-lists.php
>>> 
>>> And the project itself:
>>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/php-i18n/
>>> 
>>>> Do any of you have experience developing multilingual web sites? If
>>>> yes, have you used JSP, PHP, or any other technology for this?
>>> 
>>> I haven't done this sort of thing on this scale, but I have played
>>> around with the php.net/recode functions a bit and some of the
>>> different encodings. I know that there's a few people on this list
>>> that have used the internationalization before, too.
>>> 
>>> H
>>> 
>>> 
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> Do you Yahoo!?
>>> New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!
>>> http://sbc.yahoo.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Mark Jia
>> 
>> 
>> ---------------------------------
>> Do you Yahoo!?
>> New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
> 
> 



From cahoyos at us.ibm.com  Wed Oct  2 16:24:45 2002
From: cahoyos at us.ibm.com (Carlos A Hoyos)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:24:45 -0400
Subject: mysql design tools
Message-ID: <OF3D817DC4.55FA4460-ON85256C46.006D76EA@pok.ibm.com>


As much as I enjoy typing "create table...", "show index...",  in mysql,
when big projects come, I wish I had something similar to (CA's) ERwin,
that allows you to create and maintain your db out of data diagrams (pretty
handy when you have multiple developers. Just print an oversized copy and
paste it to the wall in front of you).

Being an industrial tool (and industrially priced), CA didn't even bother
making drivers for a "free db" like mysql.

So, my question is, does anybody know any data model design/management
tool with mysql (or postgresql) support ?
(I'm looking for some graphical ide to separate logical from physical
models, and not an admin tool like phpmyadmin)



btw... if anybody's going to the php meetup for the first time, here are
some pictures of the place/last meeting
http://www.remotelounge.com/consolePhotos/index.php?directoryOfChoice=09-05-2002&month=9&year=2002
not everybody featured is a php programmer... just some of channels 4 and 6




From markjia at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  2 16:35:42 2002
From: markjia at yahoo.com (Mark Jia)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:35:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Internationaliz/sation - JSP vs. PHP
In-Reply-To: <200210022000.g92K0S4M016279@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021002203542.18792.qmail@web20421.mail.yahoo.com>


yes, I use mysql as well. it is better than oracle to handle mutiple languages from some point. Mysql is a databse that whatever you put in, you can get exactly the same out. you don't need to warry about charsets. If you will do some thing on Chinese and Japanese, it will have some troubles: Chinese has two charsets: GB2312 and Big5. Japanese also has more charsets. maybe you need two open source programs: recode and jcode to do the convert.
 Joseph Annino wrote:The MySQL docs have a whole chapter about these issues:
http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Character_sets.html

I think MySQL handles these things in a simpler manner than Oracle.

On 10/2/02 1:59 PM, "bruce at mtiglobal.com" 
wrote:

> I'll probably be using MySQL -- Oracle is expensive and my friend's
> company is not that big yet. As for unicode, the servers are physically
> located in Taiwan and much of the translation work deals with Chinese, so
> dealing with unicode won't be too much of a problem. I'm sure most of the
> problems one runs into dealing with unicode have already been dealt with.
> 
> 
>> 
>> I wrote my opnion before, but I think it lost in the talk at nyphp.org. I
>> use oracle as the backend dabase, but charset has to be set to utf8
>> when you create a databse, you can use this charset for all languages in
>> oracle. There are two ways to process mitiple languages in php, one is
>> you have two sest of codes put into two different directories. another
>> is you can use a very very long arrary to hold all languages, then print
>> them out depened on the "locale" variable.
>> 
>> Joseph Annino wrote:I've had some luck with PHP and unicode, even
>> without explicit support for
>> it in the language. I used mysql as the database backend, and used vlib
>> template to generate all my pages. Unicode text would pass through all
>> of these unharmed, and you could even do searches containing unicode
>> characters. Using a template system like vlib template, creating
>> versions of the site for different languages is as simple as using a
>> different template file. Just make sure you put a tag in the head
>> section of the HTML template to set the encoding appropriately, and use
>> some GET or session variable to specify the language.
>> 
>> Depending on what level of internationalization support you need, this
>> may be enough. You can get data in and out regardless of encoding so
>> long as you maintain consistent throughout.
>> 
>> On 9/26/02 10:42 AM, "Hans Zaunere" wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> --- bruce at mtiglobal.com wrote:
>>>> I'm going to work on a site for a friend's translation company. His
>>>> company translates technical documents in 30+ asian/european
>>>> languages.
>>>> The site will be to market his company in different countries as well
>>>> as
>>>> have services for his translators.
>>>> 
>>>> I've just begun to look through the tutorial on internationalization
>>>> at
>>>> java.sun.com as I begin thinking on the architecture of this site. Is
>>>> there any similar documentation/tutorial online for php?
>>> 
>>> There's a mailing list dedicated for the project:
>>> http://www.php.net/mailing-lists.php
>>> 
>>> And the project itself:
>>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/php-i18n/
>>> 
>>>> Do any of you have experience developing multilingual web sites? If
>>>> yes, have you used JSP, PHP, or any other technology for this?
>>> 
>>> I haven't done this sort of thing on this scale, but I have played
>>> around with the php.net/recode functions a bit and some of the
>>> different encodings. I know that there's a few people on this list
>>> that have used the internationalization before, too.
>>> 
>>> H
>>> 
>>> 
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> Do you Yahoo!?
>>> New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!
>>> http://sbc.yahoo.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Mark Jia
>> 
>> 
>> ---------------------------------
>> Do you Yahoo!?
>> New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  2 19:33:38 2002
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:33:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mysql design tools
In-Reply-To: <200210022025.g92KPC4M016320@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021002233338.13983.qmail@web12804.mail.yahoo.com>


> Being an industrial tool (and industrially priced), CA didn't even
> bother making drivers for a "free db" like mysql.

ODBC probably isn't complete enough, if even supported?

> So, my question is, does anybody know any data model
design/management
> tool with mysql (or postgresql) support ? (I'm looking for some
> graphical ide to separate logical from physical models, and not an
> admin tool like phpmyadmin)

Maybe something like:

http://www.mysql.com/portal/development/html/development_comments-48.html

http://www.mysqlstudio.com/detail.php3

http://cbbrowne.com/info/rdbmstools.html  possibly for PG.

> btw... if anybody's going to the php meetup for the first time, here
> are some pictures of the place/last meeting 
>
http://www.remotelounge.com/consolePhotos/index.php?directoryOfChoice=09-05-2002&month=9&year=2002

Yes, see yall there


H

__________________________________________________
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http://sbc.yahoo.com


From soazine at erols.com  Thu Oct  3 00:24:51 2002
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 00:24:51 -0400
Subject: How do you strip Header Info from displaying on your browser?
Message-ID: <012b01c26a94$d2117a20$dcbe6444@scandinawa1bo6>

If you go to http://valsignalandet.com/feedback.php you can get a clearer indication of what I am trying to get rid of.  Following is my function using to produce the stuff up there, which I don't want, instead, I either want cookie-driven information or nothing (if no cookie is set):

function WebGet($address, $port = 80, $url = '/', $post = false, $cookie = false) {
   // Use fsockopen to catch the URL 
   $fp = fsockopen ( $address, $port);

   // Zero Fill 
   $ret = '';

   if ($fp) {
      // Success.  Now check to see the type of request 
      if ($post) {
         $request = "POST $url HTTP/1.1\
";
         $request .= "Host: $address\
";
         $request .= "Content-Length: " . strlen( $post ). "\
";
         $request .= "Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded\
";

         if ($cookie) $request .= "Cookie: $cookie\
";

         $request .= "Connection: Close\
\
";
         $request .= $post;
      } else {
         $request = "GET $url HTTP/1.1\
";
         $request .= "Host: $address\
";
         $request .= "Content-Type: text/html\
";

         if ($cookie) $request .= "Cookie: $cookie\
";

         $request .= "Connection: Close\
\
";
      }

      $ret = '';

      // Write the Request 
      fputs ($fp, $request);

      // Get the response 
      while (!feof($fp)) $ret .= fgets ( $fp, 128 );

      // close the connection 
      fclose ($fp);
   }

   return $ret;

 }

I do not want to change WebGet as I wish to keep it a universal function that can be used for cookies or not.

So, how can I get rid of the trash on my page?

Thanx
Phil
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From babacar at omnet.sn  Thu Oct  3 08:33:45 2002
From: babacar at omnet.sn (Babacar Mbaye)
Date: Thu,  3 Oct 2002 12:33:45 +0000
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mysql design tools
In-Reply-To: <200210022025.g92KPC4M016320@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210022025.g92KPC4M016320@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <1033648425.3d9c3929ac1ce@www.omnet.sn>

You can try PowerAMC or PowerDesigner (the recent version of AMCDesigner), I 
used to design mysql and oracle database. you can get the try version at sybase 
(http://www.sybase.com/products/enterprisemodeling)
Surlignage Carlos A Hoyos <cahoyos at us.ibm.com>:

> 
> As much as I enjoy typing "create table...", "show index...",  in mysql,
> when big projects come, I wish I had something similar to (CA's) ERwin,
> that allows you to create and maintain your db out of data diagrams (pretty
> handy when you have multiple developers. Just print an oversized copy and
> paste it to the wall in front of you).
> 
> Being an industrial tool (and industrially priced), CA didn't even bother
> making drivers for a "free db" like mysql.
> 
> So, my question is, does anybody know any data model design/management
> tool with mysql (or postgresql) support ?
> (I'm looking for some graphical ide to separate logical from physical
> models, and not an admin tool like phpmyadmin)
> 
> 
> 
> btw... if anybody's going to the php meetup for the first time, here are
> some pictures of the place/last meeting
> http://www.remotelounge.com/consolePhotos/index.php?directoryOfChoice=09-05-
2002&month=9&year=2002
> not everybody featured is a php programmer... just some of channels 4 and 6
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
> 
> 
> 


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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  3 10:57:13 2002
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 07:57:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: PHP Meetup Tonight
Message-ID: <20021003145713.43335.qmail@web12804.mail.yahoo.com>


Just a quick reminder that tonight is the PHP Meetup at the Remote
Lounge.  Details at http://php.meetup.com.

H

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From sklar at sklar.com  Thu Oct  3 11:41:13 2002
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:41:13 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How do you strip Header Info from displaying on your browser?
In-Reply-To: <200210030427.g934R34M016932@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJGEMHDLAA.sklar@sklar.com>

If you *must* continue to use this WebGet() function, process the return
value like this:

$r = WebGet('www.sklar.com');
list($headers,$body) = explode("\\r\
\\r\
",$r);
print $body;

Each header ends with "\\r\
" and the headers and the body are separated with
a blank line, so "\\r\
\\r\
" delimits the headers and the body.

If you can use the Curl extension, try that, it's much easier:

$c = curl_init('http://www.sklar.com/');
curl_setopt($c, CURLOPT_RETURNTRANSFER);
$body = curl_exec($c);
curl_close($c);

Or you can use the HTTP_Request PEAR module, available at:
--> http://pear.php.net/package-info.php?pacid=33

-dave


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil Powell [mailto:soazine at erols.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 12:27 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] How do you strip Header Info from displaying on
> your browser?
>
>
> If you go to http://valsignalandet.com/feedback.php you can get a
> clearer indication of what I am trying to get rid of.  Following
> is my function using to produce the stuff up there, which I don't
> want, instead, I either want cookie-driven information or nothing
> (if no cookie is set):
>
> function WebGet($address, $port = 80, $url = '/', $post = false,
> $cookie = false) {
>    // Use fsockopen to catch the URL
>    $fp = fsockopen ( $address, $port);
>
>    // Zero Fill
>    $ret = '';
>
>    if ($fp) {
>       // Success.  Now check to see the type of request
>       if ($post) {
>          $request = "POST $url HTTP/1.1\
";
>          $request .= "Host: $address\
";
>          $request .= "Content-Length: " . strlen( $post ). "\
";
>          $request .= "Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded\
";
>
>          if ($cookie) $request .= "Cookie: $cookie\
";
>
>          $request .= "Connection: Close\
\
";
>          $request .= $post;
>       } else {
>          $request = "GET $url HTTP/1.1\
";
>          $request .= "Host: $address\
";
>          $request .= "Content-Type: text/html\
";
>
>          if ($cookie) $request .= "Cookie: $cookie\
";
>
>          $request .= "Connection: Close\
\
";
>       }
>
>       $ret = '';
>
>       // Write the Request
>       fputs ($fp, $request);
>
>       // Get the response
>       while (!feof($fp)) $ret .= fgets ( $fp, 128 );
>
>       // close the connection
>       fclose ($fp);
>    }
>
>    return $ret;
>
>  }
>
> I do not want to change WebGet as I wish to keep it a universal
> function that can be used for cookies or not.
>
> So, how can I get rid of the trash on my page?
>
> Thanx
> Phil
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
>



From nyphp at altunergil.com  Thu Oct  3 12:29:05 2002
From: nyphp at altunergil.com (Oktay Altunergil)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:29:05 -0400
Subject: Part time Job Opportunity
Message-ID: <20021003122905.0f93eb0a.nyphp@altunergil.com>

Passing along this opportunity that I was presented with... I've posted in on jobs.nylug.org for your convenience :)

http://jobs.nylug.org/jobdetail.msn?mode=detail&id=31

Oktay


From zaunere at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  4 11:00:33 2002
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 08:00:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: New Apache Releases - Security Related
Message-ID: <20021004150033.61039.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com>


There's a couple new versions of Apache out this morning, which fix
some security issues:

http://www.apache.org/dist/httpd/Announcement.html
http://www.apache.org/dist/httpd/Announcement2.html



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http://nyphp.org
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From beef at interport.net  Fri Oct  4 13:00:01 2002
From: beef at interport.net (Wellington Fan)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 13:00:01 -0400
Subject: LinkPoint PHP Wrappers & CC processing -- Any Comments?
In-Reply-To: <200210041500.g94F0e4M037381@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <NGBBIDLNCJJKIBJPNEHEKEGPDCAA.beef@interport.net>

Hello All,

Has anyone used the LinkPoint PHP Wrappers? What do you think?
http://www.linkpoint.com/product_solutions/internet/inet_index.html

How about:
Verisign's Commerce Site Pro (Includes Site Cert for SSL)
iTransact's RediCharge
iBill's Processing Plus Gateway

I'm building an online store w/ CC processing, and need a lot of control
over the transcation so I can update the inventory db, etc. For my part, I
want as little development hassle as possible -- of course, I have to
balance that against my client wanting to pay as little as possible.

Something that makes a feature/$ comparison even more difficult is the
difference in the pricing structure for these services:
Verisign - $1395/year
iTransact - $295/setup + $300/year (+ Thawte Site Cert for $150/year)
iBill - $0.25/Transaction (~$900/year?) (+ Thawte Site Cert for $150/year)

I'd guesstimate about 300 transactions/month, which would make iBill
$900/year

Anyway, any thoughts about any of these services in terms of ease of
development would be appreciated. Please post to the list.

TIA!

--
Wellington Fan




From adam at ecamp.net  Fri Oct  4 13:34:42 2002
From: adam at ecamp.net (adam)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 13:34:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] LinkPoint PHP Wrappers & CC processing -- Any Comments?
In-Reply-To: <200210041659.g94Gxe4M040612@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <E611448D39E13C4EA7D8D8C968EF9C6D0B4481@bertha.bertha.ecamp.net>

I've used both.
Card Services and Link point suck.  Their CS is super poor.  In fact, my
company hasn't used them in 2 years, and we still pay them $ every month
because you can only cancel during certain time frame windows, and they
make it very difficult.  They follow a NETSOL or AOL type CS philosophy.


Verisign works quite nicely with PHP.

My favorite, and cheapest if you do lots of transactions is MCVE
(www.mcve.com)

You need to purchase the daemon, but then you talk directly to the bank
cutting out the middleman.  Software is around 1000 perpetual license.
Support for one year.

There is a PHP module to compile in (--with-mcve) and it works quite
smoothly.



-----Original Message-----
From: Wellington Fan [mailto:beef at interport.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 1:00 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] LinkPoint PHP Wrappers & CC processing -- Any
Comments?

Hello All,

Has anyone used the LinkPoint PHP Wrappers? What do you think?
http://www.linkpoint.com/product_solutions/internet/inet_index.html

How about:
Verisign's Commerce Site Pro (Includes Site Cert for SSL)
iTransact's RediCharge
iBill's Processing Plus Gateway

I'm building an online store w/ CC processing, and need a lot of control
over the transcation so I can update the inventory db, etc. For my part,
I
want as little development hassle as possible -- of course, I have to
balance that against my client wanting to pay as little as possible.

Something that makes a feature/$ comparison even more difficult is the
difference in the pricing structure for these services:
Verisign - $1395/year
iTransact - $295/setup + $300/year (+ Thawte Site Cert for $150/year)
iBill - $0.25/Transaction (~$900/year?) (+ Thawte Site Cert for
$150/year)

I'd guesstimate about 300 transactions/month, which would make iBill
$900/year

Anyway, any thoughts about any of these services in terms of ease of
development would be appreciated. Please post to the list.

TIA!

--
Wellington Fan




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From patterson at computer.org  Fri Oct  4 14:13:11 2002
From: patterson at computer.org (Bill Patterson)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:13:11 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] LinkPoint PHP Wrappers & CC processing -- Any Comments?
References: <200210041659.g94Gxe4M040612@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <004a01c26bd1$b3455ec0$6401a8c0@audubn01.nj.comcast.net>

I worked with Authorize.net last year, have you checked them out?

Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wellington Fan" <beef at interport.net>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 12:59 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] LinkPoint PHP Wrappers & CC processing -- Any
Comments?


> Hello All,
>
> Has anyone used the LinkPoint PHP Wrappers? What do you think?
> http://www.linkpoint.com/product_solutions/internet/inet_index.html
>
> How about:
> Verisign's Commerce Site Pro (Includes Site Cert for SSL)
> iTransact's RediCharge
> iBill's Processing Plus Gateway
>
> I'm building an online store w/ CC processing, and need a lot of control
> over the transcation so I can update the inventory db, etc. For my part, I
> want as little development hassle as possible -- of course, I have to
> balance that against my client wanting to pay as little as possible.
>
> Something that makes a feature/$ comparison even more difficult is the
> difference in the pricing structure for these services:
> Verisign - $1395/year
> iTransact - $295/setup + $300/year (+ Thawte Site Cert for $150/year)
> iBill - $0.25/Transaction (~$900/year?) (+ Thawte Site Cert for $150/year)
>
> I'd guesstimate about 300 transactions/month, which would make iBill
> $900/year
>
> Anyway, any thoughts about any of these services in terms of ease of
> development would be appreciated. Please post to the list.
>
> TIA!
>
> --
> Wellington Fan
>
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
>
>
>



From talk at nyphp.org  Fri Oct  4 13:58:49 2002
From: talk at nyphp.org (talk at nyphp.org)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 13:58:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Out of the office
Message-ID: <103375432601@mercury.hosting4u.net>

I will be out of the office From October 2 to the 9th,  will reply to all email ones I get back.

Regards,
Edgar Reyes
Senior Consultant


From talk at nyphp.org  Fri Oct  4 14:05:58 2002
From: talk at nyphp.org (talk at nyphp.org)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:05:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Out of the office
Message-ID: <103375475501@mercury.hosting4u.net>

I will be out of the office From October 2 to the 9th,  will reply to all email ones I get back.

Regards,
Edgar Reyes
Senior Consultant


From zaunere at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  7 09:40:20 2002
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 06:40:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: XML and PHP and Week 106
Message-ID: <20021007134020.83095.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com>


As it does every week, the Zend Weekly Summary has come out:

http://www.zend.com/zend/week/week106.php

The Embedded PHP topic makes me drool, but probably more importantly is
the future of PHP and XML.  Some great thoughts and resources:

http://www.bumblebury.com/phptodo/xmsl.html


Have a good week!

H

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From talk at nyphp.org  Mon Oct  7 10:12:30 2002
From: talk at nyphp.org (talk at nyphp.org)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:12:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Out of the office
Message-ID: <103399994201@mercury.hosting4u.net>

I will be out of the office From October 2 to the 9th,  will reply to all email ones I get back.

Regards,
Edgar Reyes
Senior Consultant


From max at idsociety.com  Mon Oct  7 11:06:56 2002
From: max at idsociety.com (max goldberg)
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 11:06:56 -0400
Subject: Looking for a Technical Manager...
Message-ID: <3DA1A310.7070809@idsociety.com>

Hello all, I'm new to the nyphp users group so I'm not sure how to go 
about this. Anyway the company I work for is looking for a technical 
director, almost a lead developer. Posting on craigslit got us a lot of
people who weren't really focused on php, and seeing as it is our main 
technology I was hoping there might be some skilled people here. If you 
can give me any other ideas where to look or have any questions, please 
feel free to shoot me an email.

The url is http://newyork.craigslist.org/nyc/eng/5928180.html

Thanks,
-Max



From talk at nyphp.org  Mon Oct  7 11:30:21 2002
From: talk at nyphp.org (talk at nyphp.org)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:30:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Out of the office
Message-ID: <103400462101@mercury.hosting4u.net>

I will be out of the office From October 2 to the 9th,  will reply to all email ones I get back.

Regards,
Edgar Reyes
Senior Consultant


From zaunere at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  7 12:16:24 2002
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 09:16:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Looking for a Technical Manager...
In-Reply-To: <200210071506.g97F6cix048640@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021007161624.37315.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com>


Hey Max et al,

Until we get a job board online (any takers on doing this?) posting to
this mailing list is the best thing to do for position offers.

Hopefully, some lucky individual will see this one.

H

--- max goldberg <max at idsociety.com> wrote:
> Hello all, I'm new to the nyphp users group so I'm not sure how to go
> 
> about this. Anyway the company I work for is looking for a technical 
> director, almost a lead developer. Posting on craigslit got us a lot
> of
> people who weren't really focused on php, and seeing as it is our
> main 
> technology I was hoping there might be some skilled people here. If
> you 
> can give me any other ideas where to look or have any questions,
> please 
> feel free to shoot me an email.
> 
> The url is http://newyork.craigslist.org/nyc/eng/5928180.html
> 
> Thanks,
> -Max
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
> 
> 


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http://nyphp.org
hans at nyphp.org

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From talk at nyphp.org  Mon Oct  7 12:33:53 2002
From: talk at nyphp.org (talk at nyphp.org)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 12:33:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Out of the office
Message-ID: <103400843101@mercury.hosting4u.net>

I will be out of the office From October 2 to the 9th,  will reply to all email ones I get back.

Regards,
Edgar Reyes
Senior Consultant


From brian at artizendesign.com  Mon Oct  7 12:37:57 2002
From: brian at artizendesign.com (Brian Preston-Campbell)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 12:37:57 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Looking for a Technical Manager...
References: <200210071616.g97GGUix048894@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <00a001c26e1f$e5521ac0$a77cfea9@brian>

I would but like being solo and don't have 4 (?!) solid years in PHP.  Don't
know many who do for that matter. What version were they on five years ago?
Wasn't it still known as [P]ersonal [H]ome [P]age then?  Old days.

Brian


----- Original Message -----
From: "Hans Zaunere" <zaunere at yahoo.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Looking for a Technical Manager...


>
> Hey Max et al,
>
> Until we get a job board online (any takers on doing this?) posting to
> this mailing list is the best thing to do for position offers.
>
> Hopefully, some lucky individual will see this one.
>
> H
>
> --- max goldberg <max at idsociety.com> wrote:
> > Hello all, I'm new to the nyphp users group so I'm not sure how to go
> >
> > about this. Anyway the company I work for is looking for a technical
> > director, almost a lead developer. Posting on craigslit got us a lot
> > of
> > people who weren't really focused on php, and seeing as it is our
> > main
> > technology I was hoping there might be some skilled people here. If
> > you
> > can give me any other ideas where to look or have any questions,
> > please
> > feel free to shoot me an email.
> >
> > The url is http://newyork.craigslist.org/nyc/eng/5928180.html
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Max
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> =====
> Hans Zaunere
> New York PHP
> http://nyphp.org
> hans at nyphp.org
>
> __________________________________________________
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>
>
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>
>
>
>




From fields at surgam.net  Tue Oct  8 00:52:02 2002
From: fields at surgam.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:52:02 -0500
Subject: Templating and authentication
Message-ID: <20021008045202.GJ24558@eye.surgam.net>

I just joined this list, although I've been coding in PHP for a while
now. It was good to meet some of you at the meetup last week!

I'm working on a dynamic configuration-driven autogenerated CMS in
PHP, and I'm looking for a templating system to hook into it for the
display side. I'm thinking something along the lines of velocity -
ideally even something that can read velocity templates (since I hope
to also port the system to java at some point).

Any suggestions?

(Also, Hans - please get in touch with me about your authentication
system, since I didn't get your email address.)

-- 
				- Adam

-----
Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
http://www.adamfields.com


From talk at nyphp.org  Tue Oct  8 01:08:03 2002
From: talk at nyphp.org (talk at nyphp.org)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 01:08:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Out of the office
Message-ID: <103405368101@mercury.hosting4u.net>

I will be out of the office From October 2 to the 9th,  will reply to all email ones I get back.

Regards,
Edgar Reyes
Senior Consultant


From jannino at jannino.com  Tue Oct  8 01:48:33 2002
From: jannino at jannino.com (Joseph Annino)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 01:48:33 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Templating and authentication
In-Reply-To: <200210080452.g984qGix049802@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <94CDAD2A-DA81-11D6-869D-003065DA3B30@jannino.com>

I like vlib template:
http://vlib.activefish.com/

There is a java library for reading the same template format:
http://html-tmpl-java.sourceforge.net/

And this template format was originally part of Perl's HTML::Template
http://html-template.sourceforge.net/

The way it works is using object methods, or arrays, or both, you push 
your variables into the template object.  It supports simple scalars, 
if then statements, loops, and a few automatic variables.  The template 
syntax is designed to be HTMLish and has a limited set of commands to 
keep it simple and keep design and logic separate.  It also has a nice 
command to take an SQL result and make it into a loop variable, making 
putting most database results into a template a one liner.  I really 
like it and use one of the above on all my projects.  There are slight 
differences between the libraries, so just be aware of them if you want 
to write cross language templates.  It does appear to be a bit 
different in approach than velocity though.

On Tuesday, October 8, 2002, at 12:52  AM, Adam Fields wrote:

> I just joined this list, although I've been coding in PHP for a while
> now. It was good to meet some of you at the meetup last week!
>
> I'm working on a dynamic configuration-driven autogenerated CMS in
> PHP, and I'm looking for a templating system to hook into it for the
> display side. I'm thinking something along the lines of velocity -
> ideally even something that can read velocity templates (since I hope
> to also port the system to java at some point).
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> (Also, Hans - please get in touch with me about your authentication
> system, since I didn't get your email address.)
>
> -- 
> 				- Adam
>
> -----
> Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
> Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
> delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
> http://www.adamfields.com
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
>
>



From talk at nyphp.org  Tue Oct  8 02:02:04 2002
From: talk at nyphp.org (talk at nyphp.org)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 02:02:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Out of the office
Message-ID: <103405692201@mercury.hosting4u.net>

I will be out of the office From October 2 to the 9th,  will reply to all email ones I get back.

Regards,
Edgar Reyes
Senior Consultant


From fields at surgam.net  Tue Oct  8 10:18:37 2002
From: fields at surgam.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:18:37 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Templating and authentication
In-Reply-To: <200210080549.g985njix049881@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210080549.g985njix049881@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021008141837.GK24558@eye.surgam.net>

On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 01:49:45AM -0400, Joseph Annino wrote:
> I like vlib template:
> http://vlib.activefish.com/
> 
> There is a java library for reading the same template format:
> http://html-tmpl-java.sourceforge.net/
> 
> And this template format was originally part of Perl's HTML::Template
> http://html-template.sourceforge.net/

This looks like it should do nicely. Thanks!

> The way it works is using object methods, or arrays, or both, you push 
> your variables into the template object.  It supports simple scalars, 
> if then statements, loops, and a few automatic variables.  The template 
> syntax is designed to be HTMLish and has a limited set of commands to 
> keep it simple and keep design and logic separate.  It also has a nice 
> command to take an SQL result and make it into a loop variable, making 
> putting most database results into a template a one liner.  I really 
> like it and use one of the above on all my projects.  There are slight 
> differences between the libraries, so just be aware of them if you want 
> to write cross language templates.  It does appear to be a bit 
> different in approach than velocity though.

Although the template language is different, this seems to be the ame
basic approach as velocity - instantiate a template parser, choose a
template, pack some substitution variables, and then parse the output.

> On Tuesday, October 8, 2002, at 12:52  AM, Adam Fields wrote:
> 
> > I just joined this list, although I've been coding in PHP for a while
> > now. It was good to meet some of you at the meetup last week!
> >
> > I'm working on a dynamic configuration-driven autogenerated CMS in
> > PHP, and I'm looking for a templating system to hook into it for the
> > display side. I'm thinking something along the lines of velocity -
> > ideally even something that can read velocity templates (since I hope
> > to also port the system to java at some point).
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > (Also, Hans - please get in touch with me about your authentication
> > system, since I didn't get your email address.)
> >
> > -- 
> > 				- Adam
> >
> > -----
> > Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
> > Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
> > delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
> > http://www.adamfields.com
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
> 
> 

-- 
				- Adam

-----
Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
http://www.adamfields.com


From talk at nyphp.org  Tue Oct  8 10:39:32 2002
From: talk at nyphp.org (talk at nyphp.org)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 10:39:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Out of the office
Message-ID: <103408796501@mercury.hosting4u.net>

I will be out of the office From October 2 to the 9th,  will reply to all email ones I get back.

Regards,
Edgar Reyes
Senior Consultant


From max at idsociety.com  Tue Oct  8 11:39:43 2002
From: max at idsociety.com (max goldberg)
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 11:39:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Templating and authentication
References: <200210080452.g984qGix049802@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DA2FC3F.6020302@idsociety.com>

	I've been involved in the same type of projects before and been in the 
same situations. Although I decided at the time that creating static 
versions of the content each time a user updated it in the CMS, I have 
had a good amount of experience with template systems. The majority of 
template engines written solely in PHP seem to have the downfall of 
using eregs which on a high load can produce a good amount of latency.
	
	Another option is to exec a process which does the templating, which 
also has a decent amount of latency, but when replacing a very large 
amount of variables may be a viable solution. Such an outside solution 
may also be good if you are in need of the use of templates outside of 
your project, such as external scripts in Java or Perl, etc. ClearSilver 
(www.clearsilver.net) may be a good example of this, and I think there 
is an apache module for it too (a friend of mine started work on a PHP 
module to replace the exec call, but never finished it if I recall 
correctly).

The best solution I've seen to date is FastTemplate 
(http://www.thewebmasters.net/php/FastTemplate.phtml) modified to use a 
custom template php module. The module was not very near to being done 
and was written by a past employer of mine, basically taking out the PHP 
call to ereg and replacing it with a finite state machine. I'm not 
really sure why no one has put a suitable amount of time into a similar 
module for PHP as I think it would be widely used.

Regardless, depending on your needs you have a few choices.

-Max


Adam Fields wrote:
> I just joined this list, although I've been coding in PHP for a while
> now. It was good to meet some of you at the meetup last week!
> 
> I'm working on a dynamic configuration-driven autogenerated CMS in
> PHP, and I'm looking for a templating system to hook into it for the
> display side. I'm thinking something along the lines of velocity -
> ideally even something that can read velocity templates (since I hope
> to also port the system to java at some point).
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> (Also, Hans - please get in touch with me about your authentication
> system, since I didn't get your email address.)
> 



From talk at nyphp.org  Tue Oct  8 11:52:28 2002
From: talk at nyphp.org (talk at nyphp.org)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:52:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Out of the office
Message-ID: <103409234602@mercury.hosting4u.net>

I will be out of the office From October 2 to the 9th,  will reply to all email ones I get back.

Regards,
Edgar Reyes
Senior Consultant


From fields at surgam.net  Tue Oct  8 12:33:55 2002
From: fields at surgam.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:33:55 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Templating and authentication
In-Reply-To: <200210081539.g98FdCix050737@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210081539.g98FdCix050737@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021008163355.GE29982@eye.surgam.net>

On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 11:39:12AM -0400, max goldberg wrote:
> 	I've been involved in the same type of projects before and been in the 
> same situations. Although I decided at the time that creating static 
> versions of the content each time a user updated it in the CMS, I have 
> had a good amount of experience with template systems. The majority of 
> template engines written solely in PHP seem to have the downfall of 
> using eregs which on a high load can produce a good amount of latency.

Well, ideally, for any kind of traffic, the templating system should
be combined with caching (I've done a lot of work building Vignette
systems, and the caching is one of the few things I really like about
their system). However, I'm not there yet. I've heard reasonably good
things about squid to that effect, but have yet to explore how (well)
it works with php.

> 	Another option is to exec a process which does the templating, which 
> also has a decent amount of latency, but when replacing a very large 
> amount of variables may be a viable solution. Such an outside solution 
> may also be good if you are in need of the use of templates outside of 
> your project, such as external scripts in Java or Perl, etc. ClearSilver 
> (www.clearsilver.net) may be a good example of this, and I think there 
> is an apache module for it too (a friend of mine started work on a PHP 
> module to replace the exec call, but never finished it if I recall 
> correctly).
> 
> The best solution I've seen to date is FastTemplate 
> (http://www.thewebmasters.net/php/FastTemplate.phtml) modified to use a 
> custom template php module. The module was not very near to being done 
> and was written by a past employer of mine, basically taking out the PHP 
> call to ereg and replacing it with a finite state machine. I'm not 
> really sure why no one has put a suitable amount of time into a similar 
> module for PHP as I think it would be widely used.
> 
> Regardless, depending on your needs you have a few choices.
> 
> -Max
> 
> 
> Adam Fields wrote:
> > I just joined this list, although I've been coding in PHP for a while
> > now. It was good to meet some of you at the meetup last week!
> > 
> > I'm working on a dynamic configuration-driven autogenerated CMS in
> > PHP, and I'm looking for a templating system to hook into it for the
> > display side. I'm thinking something along the lines of velocity -
> > ideally even something that can read velocity templates (since I hope
> > to also port the system to java at some point).
> > 
> > Any suggestions?
> > 
> > (Also, Hans - please get in touch with me about your authentication
> > system, since I didn't get your email address.)
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
> 
> 

-- 
				- Adam

-----
Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
http://www.adamfields.com


From talk at nyphp.org  Tue Oct  8 12:51:57 2002
From: talk at nyphp.org (talk at nyphp.org)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:51:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Out of the office
Message-ID: <103409591601@mercury.hosting4u.net>

I will be out of the office From October 2 to the 9th,  will reply to all email ones I get back.

Regards,
Edgar Reyes
Senior Consultant


From jannino at jannino.com  Tue Oct  8 13:35:34 2002
From: jannino at jannino.com (Joseph Annino)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:35:34 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Templating and authentication
In-Reply-To: <200210081634.g98GY2ix050812@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <59CBB2DE-DAE4-11D6-A56C-003065DA3B30@jannino.com>

Vlib template can store parsed versions of the template files, in order 
to speed things up, and remove the eregs from each request.  It will 
just load the "compiled" template and insert the variables and spit it 
out.

I've used HTML::Template in perl to save its results to static files.  
I've used that for product catalogs, because they only change at known 
times and involve most of the clicking on a commerce site.

On Tuesday, October 8, 2002, at 12:34  PM, Adam Fields wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 11:39:12AM -0400, max goldberg wrote:
>> 	I've been involved in the same type of projects before and been in 
>> the
>> same situations. Although I decided at the time that creating static
>> versions of the content each time a user updated it in the CMS, I have
>> had a good amount of experience with template systems. The majority of
>> template engines written solely in PHP seem to have the downfall of
>> using eregs which on a high load can produce a good amount of latency.
>
> Well, ideally, for any kind of traffic, the templating system should
> be combined with caching (I've done a lot of work building Vignette
> systems, and the caching is one of the few things I really like about
> their system). However, I'm not there yet. I've heard reasonably good
> things about squid to that effect, but have yet to explore how (well)
> it works with php.
>
>> 	Another option is to exec a process which does the templating, which
>> also has a decent amount of latency, but when replacing a very large
>> amount of variables may be a viable solution. Such an outside solution
>> may also be good if you are in need of the use of templates outside of
>> your project, such as external scripts in Java or Perl, etc. 
>> ClearSilver
>> (www.clearsilver.net) may be a good example of this, and I think there
>> is an apache module for it too (a friend of mine started work on a PHP
>> module to replace the exec call, but never finished it if I recall
>> correctly).
>>
>> The best solution I've seen to date is FastTemplate
>> (http://www.thewebmasters.net/php/FastTemplate.phtml) modified to use 
>> a
>> custom template php module. The module was not very near to being done
>> and was written by a past employer of mine, basically taking out the 
>> PHP
>> call to ereg and replacing it with a finite state machine. I'm not
>> really sure why no one has put a suitable amount of time into a 
>> similar
>> module for PHP as I think it would be widely used.
>>
>> Regardless, depending on your needs you have a few choices.
>>
>> -Max
>>
>>
>> Adam Fields wrote:
>>> I just joined this list, although I've been coding in PHP for a while
>>> now. It was good to meet some of you at the meetup last week!
>>>
>>> I'm working on a dynamic configuration-driven autogenerated CMS in
>>> PHP, and I'm looking for a templating system to hook into it for the
>>> display side. I'm thinking something along the lines of velocity -
>>> ideally even something that can read velocity templates (since I hope
>>> to also port the system to java at some point).
>>>
>>> Any suggestions?
>>>
>>> (Also, Hans - please get in touch with me about your authentication
>>> system, since I didn't get your email address.)
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> -- 
> 				- Adam
>
> -----
> Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
> Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
> delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
> http://www.adamfields.com
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
>
>



From talk at nyphp.org  Tue Oct  8 13:59:56 2002
From: talk at nyphp.org (talk at nyphp.org)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:59:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Out of the office
Message-ID: <103409999401@mercury.hosting4u.net>

I will be out of the office From October 2 to the 9th,  will reply to all email ones I get back.

Regards,
Edgar Reyes
Senior Consultant


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From: georgenatalino at yahoo.com (George Natalino)
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:38:57 -0400
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From talk at nyphp.org  Wed Oct  9 08:48:36 2002
From: talk at nyphp.org (talk at nyphp.org)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:48:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Out of the office
Message-ID: <103416771501@mercury.hosting4u.net>

I will be out of the office From October 2 to the 9th,  will reply to all email ones I get back.

Regards,
Edgar Reyes
Senior Consultant


From fawcett at bard.edu  Wed Oct  9 11:35:47 2002
From: fawcett at bard.edu (P. Fawcett)
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 11:35:47 -0400
Subject: install php 4.2.2 with mysql & apache
References: <200210091238.g99Cc5ix052558@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DA44CD3.BD46E965@bard.edu>

hope i don't sound as confused as i am.  not all questions may be
answerable here, but to set the scene:

i've tried to configure (on redhat 7.2) apache 1.3.26 w/ php4.2.2 &
mysql 3.23.51 source tar or .52rpm - whatever i can get to work.

1)  if i have php, mysql & perl installed on the sys, do i have to
include them in the other configs. ie configuring php --with-mysql? & in
configuring apache --with-perl.  or are these built in lighter
versions?  am i right mod's, ie mod_php is just a lighter version of php
& not necessary if i have php 4.2.2 installed?  or does that mod_php tie
apache to php?

i...
apache:
configure --enable-module-so
		  
mysql:
configure --enable-assembler --with-innodb

php:
(i'm thinking i don't need --activate-module=src/module/php4/libphp4.a
if not using php_mod, but rather the full php)
configure 	--with-apxs
		--with-ldap
		--with-mysql=/usr/local/mysql 
	php worked if i source compiled mysql 3.23.51 which created
/usr/local/mysql dir.

but mysql would fail after config on: mysqladmin -u root -password
"new-passwd" 
err: mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost'failed error: 'can't
connect to local mysql server thru socket '/tmp/mysql.sock'(2).  check
that mysqld is running & that socket exists.  well it wasn't & it didn't

so i reconfig mysql with simplier 3.23.52 rpm, which would run thru the
config ok, create the socket, start the daemon, but would populates
files all over the sys and not create /usr/local/mysql dir, so without
php config --with-mysql (no path) php would fail syntax in the
hpptd.conf:  
LoadModule php4_module libexec/libphp4.so - "cannot load
/usr/local/apache/libexec/libphp4.so into server:libmysqlclient.so".

2)  do i just eliminate in php config --with-mysql all together? & then
how do the mysql php interact?


From brian at preston-campbell.com  Wed Oct  9 12:02:40 2002
From: brian at preston-campbell.com (Preston-Campbell)
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 12:02:40 -0400
Subject: OT ASP
Message-ID: <3DA45320.1020502@preston-campbell.com>

I have been dealt a project in ASP.  I know that a few people on the 
list also develop ASP, so does anyone know of a download (preferably 
free although not holding out any hopes) to parse my scripts on Linux / 
Apache?  I'm coming in to this very late, the site only needs some 
finalization and additions to the CMS but I want to work as usual, on my 
local machine without FTPing every friggin minor edit.

Brian



From talk at nyphp.org  Wed Oct  9 12:05:06 2002
From: talk at nyphp.org (talk at nyphp.org)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 12:05:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Out of the office
Message-ID: <103417950601@mercury.hosting4u.net>

I will be out of the office From October 2 to the 9th,  will reply to all email ones I get back.

Regards,
Edgar Reyes
Senior Consultant


From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Wed Oct  9 12:08:34 2002
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 12:08:34 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT ASP
References: <200210091557.g99FvRix052765@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <002e01c26fae$1f1fb700$6401a8c0@Notebook>

All the ASP/Linux packages I have worked with have not mirrored the ASP/IIS
environment closely enough to be of value to me.  If someone has had a
differing experience, I would love to hear it since I have a customer who
wants to move some of the more critical ASP apps to Linux but does not want
to tweak the app.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Preston-Campbell" <brian at preston-campbell.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 11:57 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT ASP


> I have been dealt a project in ASP.  I know that a few people on the
> list also develop ASP, so does anyone know of a download (preferably
> free although not holding out any hopes) to parse my scripts on Linux /
> Apache?  I'm coming in to this very late, the site only needs some
> finalization and additions to the CMS but I want to work as usual, on my
> local machine without FTPing every friggin minor edit.
>
> Brian
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
>
>
>
>
>




From talk at nyphp.org  Wed Oct  9 12:09:32 2002
From: talk at nyphp.org (talk at nyphp.org)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 12:09:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Out of the office
Message-ID: <103417977101@mercury.hosting4u.net>

I will be out of the office From October 2 to the 9th,  will reply to all email ones I get back.

Regards,
Edgar Reyes
Senior Consultant


From talk at nyphp.org  Wed Oct  9 12:28:37 2002
From: talk at nyphp.org (talk at nyphp.org)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 12:28:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Out of the office
Message-ID: <103418091601@mercury.hosting4u.net>

I will be out of the office From October 2 to the 9th,  will reply to all email ones I get back.

Regards,
Edgar Reyes
Senior Consultant


From jkelly at sussex.cc.nj.us  Wed Oct  9 12:36:06 2002
From: jkelly at sussex.cc.nj.us (jessica kelly)
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 12:36:06 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT ASP
Message-ID: <sda422c0.001@mail.sussex.edu>

You may want to look at http://wwws.sun.com/software/chilisoft/ but it's not cheep.
I was looking for a similar solution a few years ago but then the module for apache was incomplete and did not mimic all of the MS ASP functions that I wanted to use. I imagine that they have improved it though. 

I wound up using pws as a production server.

Jessica

>>> brian at preston-campbell.com 10/9/02 11:57:27 AM >>>
I have been dealt a project in ASP.  I know that a few people on the 
list also develop ASP, so does anyone know of a download (preferably 
free although not holding out any hopes) to parse my scripts on Linux / 
Apache?  I'm coming in to this very late, the site only needs some 
finalization and additions to the CMS but I want to work as usual, on my 
local machine without FTPing every friggin minor edit.

Brian



--- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---






From LarryC at indexstock.com  Wed Oct  9 12:48:50 2002
From: LarryC at indexstock.com (Larry Chuon)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 12:48:50 -0400 
Subject: Scaling LAMP Architecture
Message-ID: <86713EAB93BD5F40B94A0C8E604C7C91AEB6DF@index-exchange.indexstock.com>

Hi,
 
Does anybody have any experiences designing LAMP for a large environment?
As far as I know, LAMP is a 2-tier architecture.  There isn't an application
server such as JBOSS, Weblogic, or Zope that sits in between.  Any
suggestion on how to go about this problem is greatly appreciated.
 
By the way, this is in reference to osCommece and Nola integration.  The
integration is about 95% done.  We are dressing it up now.  Hopefully, we
can release the product to the public domain within a month or two.  If you
want to sign up for a test drive of a fully integrated ERP and eCom system,
please send me an email.  Our next goal is to integrate or build our own
CRM/XRM module.  Once again, if you are interested in helping out, please
email me.
 
Best regards,
 
Larry Chuon
Personal Email: lchuon at lechuon.com <mailto:lchuon at lechuon.com> 
 
 
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From talk at nyphp.org  Wed Oct  9 12:56:22 2002
From: talk at nyphp.org (talk at nyphp.org)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 12:56:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Out of the office
Message-ID: <103418258201@mercury.hosting4u.net>

I will be out of the office From October 2 to the 9th,  will reply to all email ones I get back.

Regards,
Edgar Reyes
Senior Consultant


From brian at preston-campbell.com  Wed Oct  9 13:03:49 2002
From: brian at preston-campbell.com (Preston-Campbell)
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 13:03:49 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT ASP
References: <200210091636.g99Gamix052871@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DA46175.8040006@preston-campbell.com>

Actually I was looking for that.  Google is still showing the old 
chilisoft.com pages and there is no forwarding information so I was out 
of luck.  If I download the trial I have 30 days to complete my project 
-- if I need it further I can convince my client that it is a necessary 
purchase.  Thanks for your help.

Brian

jessica kelly wrote:

>You may want to look at http://wwws.sun.com/software/chilisoft/ but it's not cheep.
>I was looking for a similar solution a few years ago but then the module for apache was incomplete and did not mimic all of the MS ASP functions that I wanted to use. I imagine that they have improved it though. 
>
>I wound up using pws as a production server.
>
>Jessica
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>





From talk at nyphp.org  Wed Oct  9 13:03:48 2002
From: talk at nyphp.org (talk at nyphp.org)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 13:03:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Out of the office
Message-ID: <103418302702@mercury.hosting4u.net>

I will be out of the office From October 2 to the 9th,  will reply to all email ones I get back.

Regards,
Edgar Reyes
Senior Consultant


From nyphp at altunergil.com  Wed Oct  9 13:01:06 2002
From: nyphp at altunergil.com (Oktay Altunergil)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 13:01:06 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT ASP
In-Reply-To: <200210091659.g99GxTix052919@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210091659.g99GxTix052919@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021009130106.1db0cfe5.nyphp@altunergil.com>

Just a quick note.. You will probably not get some MS only ASP components with chilisoft ASP or any other non-MS ASP solution. One of the more important ones of such modules is the CDONTs objects. (i believe you need to use these if you want to send emails etc among other things). I believe there's also another to enable uploads..

I don't know if chilisoft has added support for this to their offering in the last few months, but I would definetely make sure it'll work for my needs before spending time on installing and configuring it.

Oktay


On Wed, 09 Oct 2002 12:59:29 -0400
Preston-Campbell <brian at preston-campbell.com> wrote:

> Actually I was looking for that.  Google is still showing the old 
> chilisoft.com pages and there is no forwarding information so I was out 
> of luck.  If I download the trial I have 30 days to complete my project 
> -- if I need it further I can convince my client that it is a necessary 
> purchase.  Thanks for your help.
> 
> Brian
> 
> jessica kelly wrote:
> 
> >You may want to look at http://wwws.sun.com/software/chilisoft/ but it's not cheep.
> >I was looking for a similar solution a few years ago but then the module for apache was incomplete and did not mimic all of the MS ASP functions that I wanted to use. I imagine that they have improved it though. 
> >
> >I wound up using pws as a production server.
> >
> >Jessica
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
> 
> 


From talk at nyphp.org  Wed Oct  9 13:13:32 2002
From: talk at nyphp.org (talk at nyphp.org)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 13:13:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Out of the office
Message-ID: <103418361101@mercury.hosting4u.net>

I will be out of the office From October 2 to the 9th,  will reply to all email ones I get back.

Regards,
Edgar Reyes
Senior Consultant


From talk at nyphp.org  Wed Oct  9 13:14:11 2002
From: talk at nyphp.org (talk at nyphp.org)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 13:14:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Out of the office
Message-ID: <103418365101@mercury.hosting4u.net>

I will be out of the office From October 2 to the 9th,  will reply to all email ones I get back.

Regards,
Edgar Reyes
Senior Consultant


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Wed Oct  9 13:55:59 2002
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 13:55:59 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] install php 4.2.2 with mysql & apache
In-Reply-To: <200210091535.g99FZeix052739@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210091535.g99FZeix052739@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021009175559.GA14474@panix.com>

Hey P:

On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 11:35:40AM -0400, P. Fawcett wrote:
> 
> 1)  if i have php, mysql & perl installed on the sys, do i have to
> include them in the other configs. ie configuring php --with-mysql?

Yes.  That gives PHP the ability to talk to MySQL.  It makes PHP be 
compiled with the MySQL functions.


> configuring apache --with-perl

This enables the apache/perl module.  It speeds things up.  Either way,
you can still call Perl scripts as standalone CGIs.


> am i right mod's, ie mod_php is just a lighter version of php
> & not necessary if i have php 4.2.2 installed?

Similarly, mod_php installs the apache/perl module, which speeds up 
execution.  If you install PHP separately, you can then also execute PHP 
scripts in CGI mode.

In both cases, CGI mode would have the script execute as the owner of the 
script while the module versions execute as the Apache process.


> but mysql would fail after config on: mysqladmin -u root -password
> "new-passwd" 
> err: mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost'failed error: 'can't
> connect to local mysql server thru socket '/tmp/mysql.sock'(2).  check
> that mysqld is running & that socket exists.  well it wasn't & it didn't

I run MySQL on Windows NT, so am not completely familliar with installing 
it on linux, but I believe you need to install MySQL as normal.  Then 
start the daemon by issuing a "mysqld" command. 


> so i reconfig mysql with simplier 3.23.52 rpm, which would run thru the
> config ok, create the socket, start the daemon, but would populates
> files all over the sys and not create /usr/local/mysql dir, so without
> php config --with-mysql (no path) php would fail syntax in the
> hpptd.conf:  
> LoadModule php4_module libexec/libphp4.so - "cannot load
> /usr/local/apache/libexec/libphp4.so into server:libmysqlclient.so".

Find where the files are created and set your my.conf and/or other
configuration files/commands appropriately.

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From prutwo at onebox.com  Wed Oct  9 14:02:22 2002
From: prutwo at onebox.com (Ophir Prusak)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:02:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT ASP
References: <200210091659.g99GxTix052919@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <06d401c26fbe$045899e0$bf65a8c0@tag1002>

I've never used it myself but u might want to look into an asp 2 php
coverter:

http://asp2php.naken.cc/

Ophir

----- Original Message -----
From: "Preston-Campbell" <brian at preston-campbell.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] OT ASP


> Actually I was looking for that.  Google is still showing the old
> chilisoft.com pages and there is no forwarding information so I was out
> of luck.  If I download the trial I have 30 days to complete my project
> -- if I need it further I can convince my client that it is a necessary
> purchase.  Thanks for your help.
>
> Brian
>
> jessica kelly wrote:
>
> >You may want to look at http://wwws.sun.com/software/chilisoft/ but it's
not cheep.
> >I was looking for a similar solution a few years ago but then the module
for apache was incomplete and did not mimic all of the MS ASP functions that
I wanted to use. I imagine that they have improved it though.
> >
> >I wound up using pws as a production server.
> >
> >Jessica
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
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From talk at nyphp.org  Wed Oct  9 14:14:12 2002
From: talk at nyphp.org (talk at nyphp.org)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:14:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Out of the office
Message-ID: <103418725101@mercury.hosting4u.net>

I will be out of the office From October 2 to the 9th,  will reply to all email ones I get back.

Regards,
Edgar Reyes
Senior Consultant


From talk at nyphp.org  Wed Oct  9 14:20:54 2002
From: talk at nyphp.org (talk at nyphp.org)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:20:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Out of the office
Message-ID: <103418765401@mercury.hosting4u.net>

I will be out of the office From October 2 to the 9th,  will reply to all email ones I get back.

Regards,
Edgar Reyes
Senior Consultant


From zaunere at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  9 15:38:08 2002
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 12:38:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] install php 4.2.2 with mysql & apache
In-Reply-To: <200210091535.g99FZeix052739@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021009193808.16615.qmail@web12802.mail.yahoo.com>


--- "P. Fawcett" <fawcett at bard.edu> wrote:
> hope i don't sound as confused as i am.  not all questions may be
> answerable here, but to set the scene:

Sorry, you sound pretty confused  :)  Maybe I can point you in the
right direction.

> i've tried to configure (on redhat 7.2) apache 1.3.26 w/ php4.2.2 &
> mysql 3.23.51 source tar or .52rpm - whatever i can get to work.

It's important to pick either RPM or src and then stick with it.  If
this is new for you, try RPM.  My RPM is a little rusty, but maybe
something like this would help:

rpm -q apache
rpm -q php
rpm -q mysql

These will query to see what RPM packages are installed, which should
give you a base to work from.  If all three are installed (and you're
not worried about being up to date) you can probably startup apache
with something like apachectl start and mysql with something like
/etc/init.d/mysql.server start

Search redhat.com and zend.com/phpbuilder.com/etc, as they have some
good tutorials for this type of thing.

Also useful might be:
http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/database/RHDB-7.1.3-Manual/prog/c7614.html


> 1)  if i have php, mysql & perl installed on the sys, do i have to
> include them in the other configs. ie configuring php --with-mysql?

Yes - this enables MySQL within PHP

> in configuring apache --with-perl.

No, this has nothing to do with compiling with mod_perl support.  Don't
use --with-perl.

> or are these built in lighter versions?

Nothing to do with lighter versions.

> am i right mod's, ie mod_php is just a lighter version of php & not
necessary if i have php 4.2.2 installed?

If you've installed the RPMs, you don't need to do anything further,
except start the daemons.

>  or does that mod_php tie apache to php?

mod_php is php that is loadable into Apache.

Now we're getting into source compiliation, which is something
different.  I would recommend sticking with RPM, but maybe
http://nyphp.org/presentations/ampintro2/ can give you some pointers on
compiling.

> i...
> apache:
> configure --enable-module-so
> 		  
> mysql:
> configure --enable-assembler --with-innodb
> 
> php:
> (i'm thinking i don't need
> --activate-module=src/module/php4/libphp4.a
> if not using php_mod, but rather the full php)

Unless you plan on using PHP as a CGI, you'll need that.

> configure 	--with-apxs
> 		--with-ldap
> 		--with-mysql=/usr/local/mysql 
> 	php worked if i source compiled mysql 3.23.51 which created
> /usr/local/mysql dir.

Good enough.

> but mysql would fail after config on: mysqladmin -u root -password
> "new-passwd" 

You'll probably need to do something like:
/usr/local/mysql/bin/safe_mysqld &   first

> err: mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost'failed error: 'can't
> connect to local mysql server thru socket '/tmp/mysql.sock'(2). 
> check that mysqld is running & that socket exists.  well it wasn't &
> it didn't
> 
> so i reconfig mysql with simplier 3.23.52 rpm, which would run thru
> the config ok, create the socket, start the daemon, but would
> populates files all over the sys and not create /usr/local/mysql dir,

Ahh, the joy of package systems.

> so without php config --with-mysql (no path) php would fail syntax in
> the hpptd.conf:  
> LoadModule php4_module libexec/libphp4.so - "cannot load
> /usr/local/apache/libexec/libphp4.so into server:libmysqlclient.so".

And here we have it - a crossed RPM/compiled environment.  Pick one,
and run with it :)

> 2)  do i just eliminate in php config --with-mysql all together? &
> then how do the mysql php interact?

No.. --with-mysql is important (or --with-mysql=/usr/local/mysql)

And when in doubt, remember to run ldconfig once in a while  :)

Godspeed,

H


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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  9 15:43:22 2002
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 12:43:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
In-Reply-To: <200210091649.g99Gn7ix052886@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021009194322.24308.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Larry Chuon <LarryC at indexstock.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>  
> Does anybody have any experiences designing LAMP for a large
> environment?

Yeah, more or less.

> As far as I know, LAMP is a 2-tier architecture.

2? I swore I saw about a dozen tiers running around the office today.

> There isn't an application server such as JBOSS, Weblogic, or Zope
> that sits in between.

It's a do it yourself type of deal, which IMHO is better.

> Any suggestion on how to go about this problem is greatly
appreciated.

Not personal experience, but maybe these are helpful:
http://www.zend.com/zend/tut/tutsweatpart1.php
http://www.zend.com/zend/tut/tutsweatpart2.php

>  
> By the way, this is in reference to osCommece and Nola integration. 
> The integration is about 95% done.  We are dressing it up now.
> Hopefully, we can release the product to the public domain within a
> month or two. If you want to sign up for a test drive of a fully
> integrated ERP and eCom system, please send me an email.  Our next
> goal is to integrate or build our own CRM/XRM module.  Once again, if
> you are interested in helping out, please email me.

Sounds interesting.. maybe you and your team would like to give a
presentation some time.



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http://nyphp.org
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From talk at nyphp.org  Wed Oct  9 15:51:16 2002
From: talk at nyphp.org (talk at nyphp.org)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:51:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Out of the office
Message-ID: <103419307501@mercury.hosting4u.net>

I will be out of the office From October 2 to the 9th,  will reply to all email ones I get back.

Regards,
Edgar Reyes
Senior Consultant


From chalu at egenius.com  Wed Oct  9 16:00:47 2002
From: chalu at egenius.com (chalu)
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 16:00:47 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
References: <200210091943.g99JhUix053808@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DA48AEF.3050603@egenius.com>

Hans Zaunere wrote:

>--- Larry Chuon <LarryC at indexstock.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>Hi,
>> 
>>Does anybody have any experiences designing LAMP for a large
>>environment?
>>    
>>
>
>Yeah, more or less.
>
Hi Larry. There are much experiences of designing LAMP for large 
environments. Look at SQLRelay and Apache Proxy.

Using these, you can do;
1. content redirection
2. content caching
3. database connection and caching

There are a number of packages to do load-balancing of database server 
as well as application servers in this regard.

>
>  
>
>>As far as I know, LAMP is a 2-tier architecture.
>>    
>>
>
>2? I swore I saw about a dozen tiers running around the office today.
>  
>
;-)    

>  
>
>>There isn't an application server such as JBOSS, Weblogic, or Zope
>>that sits in between.
>>    
>>
>
>It's a do it yourself type of deal, which IMHO is better.
>  
>
Look at SQLRelay...

>  
>
>>Any suggestion on how to go about this problem is greatly
>>    
>>
>appreciated.
>
>Not personal experience, but maybe these are helpful:
>http://www.zend.com/zend/tut/tutsweatpart1.php
>http://www.zend.com/zend/tut/tutsweatpart2.php
>
>  
>
>> 
>>By the way, this is in reference to osCommece and Nola integration. 
>>The integration is about 95% done.  We are dressing it up now.
>>Hopefully, we can release the product to the public domain within a
>>month or two. If you want to sign up for a test drive of a fully
>>integrated ERP and eCom system, please send me an email.  Our next
>>goal is to integrate or build our own CRM/XRM module.  Once again, if
>>you are interested in helping out, please email me.
>>    
>>
>
>Sounds interesting.. maybe you and your team would like to give a
>presentation some time.
>
>  
>
Is this open-source or just an implementation of osCommerce/Nola?

>
>=====
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>New York PHP
>http://nyphp.org
>hans at nyphp.org
>
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>
>
>  
>


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From chalu at egenius.com  Wed Oct  9 16:02:46 2002
From: chalu at egenius.com (chalu)
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 16:02:46 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] install php 4.2.2 with mysql & apache
References: <200210091938.g99JcDix053797@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DA48B66.3000608@egenius.com>

Hans Zaunere wrote:

>--- "P. Fawcett" <fawcett at bard.edu> wrote:
>  
>
>>hope i don't sound as confused as i am.  not all questions may be
>>answerable here, but to set the scene:
>>    
>>
>
>Sorry, you sound pretty confused  :)  Maybe I can point you in the
>right direction.
>
>  
>
>>i've tried to configure (on redhat 7.2) apache 1.3.26 w/ php4.2.2 &
>>mysql 3.23.51 source tar or .52rpm - whatever i can get to work.
>>    
>>
>
>It's important to pick either RPM or src and then stick with it.  If
>this is new for you, try RPM.  My RPM is a little rusty, but maybe
>something like this would help:
>
>rpm -q apache
>rpm -q php
>rpm -q mysql
>
You mean; rpm -e apache     to erase?

Suppose you have packages named "blabla.rpm"
You can run;

rpm -Uvh blabla.rpm

It will replace in verbose mode.

>
>These will query to see what RPM packages are installed, which should
>give you a base to work from.  If all three are installed (and you're
>not worried about being up to date) you can probably startup apache
>with something like apachectl start and mysql with something like
>/etc/init.d/mysql.server start
>
>Search redhat.com and zend.com/phpbuilder.com/etc, as they have some
>good tutorials for this type of thing.
>
>Also useful might be:
>http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/database/RHDB-7.1.3-Manual/prog/c7614.html
>
>
>  
>
>>1)  if i have php, mysql & perl installed on the sys, do i have to
>>include them in the other configs. ie configuring php --with-mysql?
>>    
>>
>
>Yes - this enables MySQL within PHP
>
>  
>
>>in configuring apache --with-perl.
>>    
>>
>
>No, this has nothing to do with compiling with mod_perl support.  Don't
>use --with-perl.
>
>  
>
>>or are these built in lighter versions?
>>    
>>
>
>Nothing to do with lighter versions.
>
>  
>
>>am i right mod's, ie mod_php is just a lighter version of php & not
>>    
>>
>necessary if i have php 4.2.2 installed?
>
>If you've installed the RPMs, you don't need to do anything further,
>except start the daemons.
>
>  
>
>> or does that mod_php tie apache to php?
>>    
>>
>
>mod_php is php that is loadable into Apache.
>
>Now we're getting into source compiliation, which is something
>different.  I would recommend sticking with RPM, but maybe
>http://nyphp.org/presentations/ampintro2/ can give you some pointers on
>compiling.
>
>  
>
>>i...
>>apache:
>>configure --enable-module-so
>>		  
>>mysql:
>>configure --enable-assembler --with-innodb
>>
>>php:
>>(i'm thinking i don't need
>>--activate-module=src/module/php4/libphp4.a
>>if not using php_mod, but rather the full php)
>>    
>>
>
>Unless you plan on using PHP as a CGI, you'll need that.
>
>  
>
>>configure 	--with-apxs
>>		--with-ldap
>>		--with-mysql=/usr/local/mysql 
>>	php worked if i source compiled mysql 3.23.51 which created
>>/usr/local/mysql dir.
>>    
>>
>
>Good enough.
>
>  
>
>>but mysql would fail after config on: mysqladmin -u root -password
>>"new-passwd" 
>>    
>>
>
>You'll probably need to do something like:
>/usr/local/mysql/bin/safe_mysqld &   first
>
>  
>
>>err: mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost'failed error: 'can't
>>connect to local mysql server thru socket '/tmp/mysql.sock'(2). 
>>check that mysqld is running & that socket exists.  well it wasn't &
>>it didn't
>>
>>so i reconfig mysql with simplier 3.23.52 rpm, which would run thru
>>the config ok, create the socket, start the daemon, but would
>>populates files all over the sys and not create /usr/local/mysql dir,
>>    
>>
>
>Ahh, the joy of package systems.
>
>  
>
>>so without php config --with-mysql (no path) php would fail syntax in
>>the hpptd.conf:  
>>LoadModule php4_module libexec/libphp4.so - "cannot load
>>/usr/local/apache/libexec/libphp4.so into server:libmysqlclient.so".
>>    
>>
>
>And here we have it - a crossed RPM/compiled environment.  Pick one,
>and run with it :)
>
>  
>
>>2)  do i just eliminate in php config --with-mysql all together? &
>>then how do the mysql php interact?
>>    
>>
>
>No.. --with-mysql is important (or --with-mysql=/usr/local/mysql)
>
>And when in doubt, remember to run ldconfig once in a while  :)
>
>Godspeed,
>
>H
>
>
>=====
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>New York PHP
>http://nyphp.org
>hans at nyphp.org
>
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>
>
>  
>


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From LarryC at indexstock.com  Wed Oct  9 15:55:31 2002
From: LarryC at indexstock.com (Larry Chuon)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:55:31 -0400 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
Message-ID: <86713EAB93BD5F40B94A0C8E604C7C91AEB6E1@index-exchange.indexstock.com>

Hi Hans and team,

Haven't seen you guys for a while.  I've been skipping your meeting due to
this project.  My team also meets on Wednesday evening.  Once we're done
with the integration, we love to demo it.  There are many new features that
were added as well.

Thanks for the URLs.  I'll check them out.

Larry

-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:zaunere at yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 3:44 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture


--- Larry Chuon <LarryC at indexstock.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Does anybody have any experiences designing LAMP for a large
> environment?

Yeah, more or less.

> As far as I know, LAMP is a 2-tier architecture.

2? I swore I saw about a dozen tiers running around the office today.

> There isn't an application server such as JBOSS, Weblogic, or Zope
> that sits in between.

It's a do it yourself type of deal, which IMHO is better.

> Any suggestion on how to go about this problem is greatly
appreciated.

Not personal experience, but maybe these are helpful:
http://www.zend.com/zend/tut/tutsweatpart1.php
http://www.zend.com/zend/tut/tutsweatpart2.php

> 
> By the way, this is in reference to osCommece and Nola integration.
> The integration is about 95% done.  We are dressing it up now.
> Hopefully, we can release the product to the public domain within a
> month or two. If you want to sign up for a test drive of a fully
> integrated ERP and eCom system, please send me an email.  Our next
> goal is to integrate or build our own CRM/XRM module.  Once again, if
> you are interested in helping out, please email me.

Sounds interesting.. maybe you and your team would like to give a
presentation some time.



=====
Hans Zaunere
New York PHP
http://nyphp.org
hans at nyphp.org

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From talk at nyphp.org  Wed Oct  9 15:58:24 2002
From: talk at nyphp.org (talk at nyphp.org)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:58:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Out of the office
Message-ID: <103419350301@mercury.hosting4u.net>

I will be out of the office From October 2 to the 9th,  will reply to all email ones I get back.

Regards,
Edgar Reyes
Senior Consultant


From joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com  Wed Oct  9 19:04:45 2002
From: joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com (Josh McCormack)
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 16:04:45 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
References: <200210091943.g99JhUix053808@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DA4B60D.8060007@travelersdiary.com>

>
>
>--- Larry Chuon <LarryC at indexstock.com> wrote:
>  
>
>  
>
>>As far as I know, LAMP is a 2-tier architecture.
>>    
>>
While there isn't a required seperate application server you could use 
the Zend Accelerator 
(http://www.zend.com/store/products/zend-accelerator.php) or if you 
don't want to use that develop with the MVC model, where you seperate 
web pages and most of the code so you can have servers optimized for 
each part.

That's my take at least.

Josh



From talk at nyphp.org  Wed Oct  9 16:05:25 2002
From: talk at nyphp.org (talk at nyphp.org)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:05:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Out of the office
Message-ID: <103419392101@mercury.hosting4u.net>

I will be out of the office From October 2 to the 9th,  will reply to all email ones I get back.

Regards,
Edgar Reyes
Senior Consultant


From talk at nyphp.org  Wed Oct  9 16:05:36 2002
From: talk at nyphp.org (talk at nyphp.org)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:05:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Out of the office
Message-ID: <103419393501@mercury.hosting4u.net>

I will be out of the office From October 2 to the 9th,  will reply to all email ones I get back.

Regards,
Edgar Reyes
Senior Consultant


From zaunere at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  9 16:28:13 2002
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 13:28:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] install php 4.2.2 with mysql & apache
In-Reply-To: <200210091955.g99JtFix053855@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021009202813.16605.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com>


--- chalu <chalu at egenius.com> wrote:
> Hans Zaunere wrote:
> >
> >It's important to pick either RPM or src and then stick with it.  If
> >this is new for you, try RPM.  My RPM is a little rusty, but maybe
> >something like this would help:
> >
> >rpm -q apache
> >rpm -q php
> >rpm -q mysql
> >
> You mean; rpm -e apache     to erase?

-q to query, so he knows what's installed.  Then -e to erase if needed,
or -U to upgrade or -F to freshen (upgrades only if package is already
installed).




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From nyphp at altunergil.com  Wed Oct  9 16:32:48 2002
From: nyphp at altunergil.com (Oktay Altunergil)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:32:48 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] install php 4.2.2 with mysql & apache
In-Reply-To: <200210092028.g99KSHix053975@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210092028.g99KSHix053975@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021009163248.40f48861.nyphp@altunergil.com>

I'd put this together a long time ago.. It's the very basics of RPM. 5% of the available commands, but these constitute 90% of what a regular user would need to do everyday.

Oktay

RPM (RedHat Package Manager) Basics.  
http://freelinuxcd.org/YapBB/topicDisplay.php?topicID=4


On Wed, 09 Oct 2002 16:28:17 -0400
Hans Zaunere <zaunere at yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
> --- chalu <chalu at egenius.com> wrote:
> > Hans Zaunere wrote:
> > >
> > >It's important to pick either RPM or src and then stick with it.  If
> > >this is new for you, try RPM.  My RPM is a little rusty, but maybe
> > >something like this would help:
> > >
> > >rpm -q apache
> > >rpm -q php
> > >rpm -q mysql
> > >
> > You mean; rpm -e apache     to erase?
> 
> -q to query, so he knows what's installed.  Then -e to erase if needed,
> or -U to upgrade or -F to freshen (upgrades only if package is already
> installed).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> =====
> Hans Zaunere
> New York PHP
> http://nyphp.org
> hans at nyphp.org
> 
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From prutwo at onebox.com  Wed Oct  9 17:22:51 2002
From: prutwo at onebox.com (Ophir Prusak)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 17:22:51 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
References: <200210091943.g99JhUix053808@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <075d01c26fda$0639f350$bf65a8c0@tag1002>

I work at http://www.communityconnect.com
While we aren't LAMP, we are pretty close - LAOP (Oracle, not MySQL).
To the best of my knowledge we're the busiest PHP powered site in the world
( 800 million page view a month in Jan 2002) so I can definitely say that L,
A and P can be used to create a solution that scales.

Ophir

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hans Zaunere" <zaunere at yahoo.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture


>
> --- Larry Chuon <LarryC at indexstock.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Does anybody have any experiences designing LAMP for a large
> > environment?
>
> Yeah, more or less.
>
> > As far as I know, LAMP is a 2-tier architecture.
>
> 2? I swore I saw about a dozen tiers running around the office today.
>
> > There isn't an application server such as JBOSS, Weblogic, or Zope
> > that sits in between.
>
> It's a do it yourself type of deal, which IMHO is better.
>
> > Any suggestion on how to go about this problem is greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Not personal experience, but maybe these are helpful:
> http://www.zend.com/zend/tut/tutsweatpart1.php
> http://www.zend.com/zend/tut/tutsweatpart2.php
>
> >
> > By the way, this is in reference to osCommece and Nola integration.
> > The integration is about 95% done.  We are dressing it up now.
> > Hopefully, we can release the product to the public domain within a
> > month or two. If you want to sign up for a test drive of a fully
> > integrated ERP and eCom system, please send me an email.  Our next
> > goal is to integrate or build our own CRM/XRM module.  Once again, if
> > you are interested in helping out, please email me.
>
> Sounds interesting.. maybe you and your team would like to give a
> presentation some time.
>
>
>
> =====
> Hans Zaunere
> New York PHP
> http://nyphp.org
> hans at nyphp.org
>
> __________________________________________________
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>
>
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>
>
>
>




From brian at preston-campbell.com  Wed Oct  9 19:43:55 2002
From: brian at preston-campbell.com (Preston-Campbell)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:43:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT ASP
References: <200210091804.g99I45ix053067@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <004501c26fed$bd11fc40$7e3efea9@brian>

The problem is that I need to code and run ASP as if I were on IIS (just the
thought makes me cringe).  I have ASP2PHP installed on my box, it's
available as a package in Mandrake 8.0 and I used it a while ago to see how
accurate it was.  If anyone is interested, I will be using Sun's ASP
solution and can report of my success or failure in detail once I get
involved with the code.

Brian


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ophir Prusak" <prutwo at onebox.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] OT ASP


> I've never used it myself but u might want to look into an asp 2 php
> coverter:
>
> http://asp2php.naken.cc/
>
> Ophir
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Preston-Campbell" <brian at preston-campbell.com>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] OT ASP
>
>
> > Actually I was looking for that.  Google is still showing the old
> > chilisoft.com pages and there is no forwarding information so I was out
> > of luck.  If I download the trial I have 30 days to complete my project
> > -- if I need it further I can convince my client that it is a necessary
> > purchase.  Thanks for your help.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > jessica kelly wrote:
> >
> > >You may want to look at http://wwws.sun.com/software/chilisoft/ but
it's
> not cheep.
> > >I was looking for a similar solution a few years ago but then the
module
> for apache was incomplete and did not mimic all of the MS ASP functions
that
> I wanted to use. I imagine that they have improved it though.
> > >
> > >I wound up using pws as a production server.
> > >
> > >Jessica
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
>
>
>




From ktuskey at exostream.com  Thu Oct 10 00:21:27 2002
From: ktuskey at exostream.com (Kyle Tuskey)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:21:27 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
In-Reply-To: <200210092124.g99LOXix054051@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <001101c27014$80b222d0$0100a8c0@win2kbox>

You can scale LAMP (minus MySQL which is barely a database) to some
degree, but it isn't really the best way to approach it.  PHP was not
built to be an enterprise language.  The lack of the N-Tier model makes
it great for most sites, but true enterprise level needs would be better
approached with J2EE or .Net.  Using .Net or J2EE (Java) will make the
final solution much easier to use, manage, scale, and deploy.  Though
the word "enterprise" is thrown around too much and often isn't used
accurately, applications that truly are enterprise do need to take into
account a lot of the advantages of the N-Tier model.  PHP has XML-RPC to
all remote calls in a distributed architecture if I remember correctly,
but it isn't very efficient.  For instance, Java's RMI (Remote Method
Invocation) implementation is much more robust for this purpose.  If you
must use PHP for an enterprise solution, use a strong RDBMS (MySQL is
definitely not in this category) and some form of load balancing or
clustering as opposed to an attempted distributed architecture w/ PHP.


Kyle


-----Original Message-----
From: Ophir Prusak [mailto:prutwo at onebox.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 5:25 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture

I work at http://www.communityconnect.com
While we aren't LAMP, we are pretty close - LAOP (Oracle, not MySQL).
To the best of my knowledge we're the busiest PHP powered site in the
world
( 800 million page view a month in Jan 2002) so I can definitely say
that L,
A and P can be used to create a solution that scales.

Ophir

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hans Zaunere" <zaunere at yahoo.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture


>
> --- Larry Chuon <LarryC at indexstock.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Does anybody have any experiences designing LAMP for a large
> > environment?
>
> Yeah, more or less.
>
> > As far as I know, LAMP is a 2-tier architecture.
>
> 2? I swore I saw about a dozen tiers running around the office today.
>
> > There isn't an application server such as JBOSS, Weblogic, or Zope
> > that sits in between.
>
> It's a do it yourself type of deal, which IMHO is better.
>
> > Any suggestion on how to go about this problem is greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Not personal experience, but maybe these are helpful:
> http://www.zend.com/zend/tut/tutsweatpart1.php
> http://www.zend.com/zend/tut/tutsweatpart2.php
>
> >
> > By the way, this is in reference to osCommece and Nola integration.
> > The integration is about 95% done.  We are dressing it up now.
> > Hopefully, we can release the product to the public domain within a
> > month or two. If you want to sign up for a test drive of a fully
> > integrated ERP and eCom system, please send me an email.  Our next
> > goal is to integrate or build our own CRM/XRM module.  Once again,
if
> > you are interested in helping out, please email me.
>
> Sounds interesting.. maybe you and your team would like to give a
> presentation some time.
>
>
>
> =====
> Hans Zaunere
> New York PHP
> http://nyphp.org
> hans at nyphp.org
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More
> http://faith.yahoo.com
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>




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From fawcett at bard.edu  Thu Oct 10 09:59:40 2002
From: fawcett at bard.edu (P. Fawcett)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:59:40 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] install php 4.2.2 with mysql & apache
References: <200210092028.g99KSHix053975@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DA587CC.4EE1710A@bard.edu>

in picking & sticking w/either rpm or src, does that mean don't mix ie.
an rpm php w/a mysql src?  or simply always rpm (or src) with php &
ditto mysql etc?

the -F is new to me -tx

Hans Zaunere wrote:
> 
> --- chalu <chalu at egenius.com> wrote:
> > Hans Zaunere wrote:
> > >
> > >It's important to pick either RPM or src and then stick with it.  If
> > >this is new for you, try RPM.  My RPM is a little rusty, but maybe
> > >something like this would help:
> > >
> > >rpm -q apache
> > >rpm -q php
> > >rpm -q mysql
> > >
> > You mean; rpm -e apache     to erase?
> 
> -q to query, so he knows what's installed.  Then -e to erase if needed,
> or -U to upgrade or -F to freshen (upgrades only if package is already
> installed).
> 
> =====
> Hans Zaunere
> New York PHP
> http://nyphp.org
> hans at nyphp.org
> 
> __________________________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More
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> 
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From sklar at sklar.com  Thu Oct 10 10:26:31 2002
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:26:31 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
In-Reply-To: <200210100420.g9A4KRix054768@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJAELPDMAA.sklar@sklar.com>

> From: Kyle Tuskey [mailto:ktuskey at exostream.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 12:20 AM
>
> You can scale LAMP (minus MySQL which is barely a database) to some
> degree, but it isn't really the best way to approach it.  PHP was not
> built to be an enterprise language.  The lack of the N-Tier model makes
> it great for most sites, but true enterprise level needs would be better
> approached with J2EE or .Net.  Using .Net or J2EE (Java) will make the
> final solution much easier to use, manage, scale, and deploy.  Though
> the word "enterprise" is thrown around too much and often isn't used
> accurately, applications that truly are enterprise do need to take into
> account a lot of the advantages of the N-Tier model.  PHP has XML-RPC to
> all remote calls in a distributed architecture if I remember correctly,
> but it isn't very efficient.  For instance, Java's RMI (Remote Method
> Invocation) implementation is much more robust for this purpose.  If you
> must use PHP for an enterprise solution, use a strong RDBMS (MySQL is
> definitely not in this category) and some form of load balancing or
> clustering as opposed to an attempted distributed architecture w/ PHP.

So, Kyle, what is "true enterprise level," then? A billion pageviews per
month? The 800B PV/month Ophir cited at CCI works out to about 300/second,
and I presume that doesn't include images or other static objects.

Tell me, where is the point that MySQL breaks down? Traffic? Functionality?
I admit, MySQL doesn't have, say, the World's Greatest parallel hot-failover
technology, but I don't think anyone would classify Oracle's efforts in this
regard in that way either.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for using the right tool for the job, and MySQL
or PHP or Linux or Apache aren't each the right tool for every job. But if
you're going to insist that PHP or MySQL has problems, please point out
actual problems, instead of vague assertions.

Thanks,

David



From fawcett at bard.edu  Thu Oct 10 10:47:57 2002
From: fawcett at bard.edu (P. Fawcett)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:47:57 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] install php 4.2.2 with mysql & apache
References: <200210091756.g99Hu3ix053050@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DA5931D.64EBF4A7@bard.edu>

tx.

to confirm - so i can have both a mod & standalone cgi (thou i don't
know why i'd want both but the programmers don't seem to know their
environment so i'm just thinking of covering all bases till i get a
handle on it.)

i found that php 4.2.2 if mysql not specified in config, then it's auto
built in

so i've got php working but mysql won't do anything from within the
server including basic #myqladmin version or variable info, returns
w/error: 

"MySQL said: 
Host '204.nnn.nnn.nn' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server"

& docs point to 'make sure mysqld running- it is, & /tmp/msql-4socket
exists -it does, so something else w/access prblm so i have to find
mysql talk & maybe they'll know something

Analysis & Solutions wrote:
> 
> Hey P:
> 
> On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 11:35:40AM -0400, P. Fawcett wrote:
> >
> > 1)  if i have php, mysql & perl installed on the sys, do i have to
> > include them in the other configs. ie configuring php --with-mysql?
> 
> Yes.  That gives PHP the ability to talk to MySQL.  It makes PHP be
> compiled with the MySQL functions.
> 
> > configuring apache --with-perl
> 
> This enables the apache/perl module.  It speeds things up.  Either way,
> you can still call Perl scripts as standalone CGIs.
> 
> > am i right mod's, ie mod_php is just a lighter version of php
> > & not necessary if i have php 4.2.2 installed?
> 
> Similarly, mod_php installs the apache/perl module, which speeds up
> execution.  If you install PHP separately, you can then also execute PHP
> scripts in CGI mode.
> 
> In both cases, CGI mode would have the script execute as the owner of the
> script while the module versions execute as the Apache process.
> 
> > but mysql would fail after config on: mysqladmin -u root -password
> > "new-passwd"
> > err: mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost'failed error: 'can't
> > connect to local mysql server thru socket '/tmp/mysql.sock'(2).  check
> > that mysqld is running & that socket exists.  well it wasn't & it didn't
> 
> I run MySQL on Windows NT, so am not completely familliar with installing
> it on linux, but I believe you need to install MySQL as normal.  Then
> start the daemon by issuing a "mysqld" command.
> 
> > so i reconfig mysql with simplier 3.23.52 rpm, which would run thru the
> > config ok, create the socket, start the daemon, but would populates
> > files all over the sys and not create /usr/local/mysql dir, so without
> > php config --with-mysql (no path) php would fail syntax in the
> > hpptd.conf:
> > LoadModule php4_module libexec/libphp4.so - "cannot load
> > /usr/local/apache/libexec/libphp4.so into server:libmysqlclient.so".
> 
> Find where the files are created and set your my.conf and/or other
> configuration files/commands appropriately.
> 
> --Dan
> 
> --
>                PHP classes that make web design easier
>         SQL Solution  |   Layout Solution   |  Form Solution
>     sqlsolution.info  | layoutsolution.info |  formsolution.info
>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
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From nyphp at altunergil.com  Thu Oct 10 10:42:59 2002
From: nyphp at altunergil.com (Oktay Altunergil)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:42:59 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] install php 4.2.2 with mysql & apache
In-Reply-To: <200210101444.g9AEi3ix055662@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210101444.g9AEi3ix055662@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021010104259.3efbd896.nyphp@altunergil.com>


http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/GRANT.html



On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:44:03 -0400
"P. Fawcett" <fawcett at bard.edu> wrote:

> tx.
> 
> to confirm - so i can have both a mod & standalone cgi (thou i don't
> know why i'd want both but the programmers don't seem to know their
> environment so i'm just thinking of covering all bases till i get a
> handle on it.)
> 
> i found that php 4.2.2 if mysql not specified in config, then it's auto
> built in
> 
> so i've got php working but mysql won't do anything from within the
> server including basic #myqladmin version or variable info, returns
> w/error: 
> 
> "MySQL said: 
> Host '204.nnn.nnn.nn' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server"
> 
> & docs point to 'make sure mysqld running- it is, & /tmp/msql-4socket
> exists -it does, so something else w/access prblm so i have to find
> mysql talk & maybe they'll know something
> 
> Analysis & Solutions wrote:
> > 
> > Hey P:
> > 
> > On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 11:35:40AM -0400, P. Fawcett wrote:
> > >
> > > 1)  if i have php, mysql & perl installed on the sys, do i have to
> > > include them in the other configs. ie configuring php --with-mysql?
> > 
> > Yes.  That gives PHP the ability to talk to MySQL.  It makes PHP be
> > compiled with the MySQL functions.
> > 
> > > configuring apache --with-perl
> > 
> > This enables the apache/perl module.  It speeds things up.  Either way,
> > you can still call Perl scripts as standalone CGIs.
> > 
> > > am i right mod's, ie mod_php is just a lighter version of php
> > > & not necessary if i have php 4.2.2 installed?
> > 
> > Similarly, mod_php installs the apache/perl module, which speeds up
> > execution.  If you install PHP separately, you can then also execute PHP
> > scripts in CGI mode.
> > 
> > In both cases, CGI mode would have the script execute as the owner of the
> > script while the module versions execute as the Apache process.
> > 
> > > but mysql would fail after config on: mysqladmin -u root -password
> > > "new-passwd"
> > > err: mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost'failed error: 'can't
> > > connect to local mysql server thru socket '/tmp/mysql.sock'(2).  check
> > > that mysqld is running & that socket exists.  well it wasn't & it didn't
> > 
> > I run MySQL on Windows NT, so am not completely familliar with installing
> > it on linux, but I believe you need to install MySQL as normal.  Then
> > start the daemon by issuing a "mysqld" command.
> > 
> > > so i reconfig mysql with simplier 3.23.52 rpm, which would run thru the
> > > config ok, create the socket, start the daemon, but would populates
> > > files all over the sys and not create /usr/local/mysql dir, so without
> > > php config --with-mysql (no path) php would fail syntax in the
> > > hpptd.conf:
> > > LoadModule php4_module libexec/libphp4.so - "cannot load
> > > /usr/local/apache/libexec/libphp4.so into server:libmysqlclient.so".
> > 
> > Find where the files are created and set your my.conf and/or other
> > configuration files/commands appropriately.
> > 
> > --Dan
> > 
> > --
> >                PHP classes that make web design easier
> >         SQL Solution  |   Layout Solution   |  Form Solution
> >     sqlsolution.info  | layoutsolution.info |  formsolution.info
> >  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
> >  4015 7 Av #4AJ, Brooklyn NY     v: 718-854-0335     f: 718-854-0409
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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From prutwo at onebox.com  Thu Oct 10 11:04:35 2002
From: prutwo at onebox.com (Ophir Prusak)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:04:35 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
References: <200210101426.g9AEQMix055634@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <08ef01c2706e$590ec990$bf65a8c0@tag1002>

I'd like to clear up some potential confusion about the term "scalable".
See http://labs.google.com/glossary?q=scalable for some pretty good
definitions.
While we all agree (hopefully) about what scalable means, I think we're
talking about two different things that we're trying to scale.
You can talk about scalability of a web site in regards to:
1. Traffic and users - meaning if we get 100 times the traffic can we simply
add 100 times the hardware without the need make any significant changes to
the code/architecture.
2. Application complexity - meaning if we want to add more functionality to
the site, can we do so without making significant changes to the existing
code/architecture.

While I think it's obvious that LAP scale quite well in regards to traffic
(CCI proves this), I do agree that in regards to application complexity,
there are better solutions than PHP (though much more $$$$ to use and
probably slower)

My 2 cents.

Ophir

p.s.
Regarding MySQL breaking down, I do believe the problem was with
connections, not speed.
It just didn't hold up when trying to keep a few thousand simultaneous
connections to the MySQL server.
Oracle amazingly seems to do ok. It might slow down, but it doesn't
crash/die/freeze.

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Sklar" <sklar at sklar.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:26 AM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture


> > From: Kyle Tuskey [mailto:ktuskey at exostream.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 12:20 AM
> >
> > You can scale LAMP (minus MySQL which is barely a database) to some
> > degree, but it isn't really the best way to approach it.  PHP was not
> > built to be an enterprise language.  The lack of the N-Tier model makes
> > it great for most sites, but true enterprise level needs would be better
> > approached with J2EE or .Net.  Using .Net or J2EE (Java) will make the
> > final solution much easier to use, manage, scale, and deploy.  Though
> > the word "enterprise" is thrown around too much and often isn't used
> > accurately, applications that truly are enterprise do need to take into
> > account a lot of the advantages of the N-Tier model.  PHP has XML-RPC to
> > all remote calls in a distributed architecture if I remember correctly,
> > but it isn't very efficient.  For instance, Java's RMI (Remote Method
> > Invocation) implementation is much more robust for this purpose.  If you
> > must use PHP for an enterprise solution, use a strong RDBMS (MySQL is
> > definitely not in this category) and some form of load balancing or
> > clustering as opposed to an attempted distributed architecture w/ PHP.
>
> So, Kyle, what is "true enterprise level," then? A billion pageviews per
> month? The 800B PV/month Ophir cited at CCI works out to about 300/second,
> and I presume that doesn't include images or other static objects.
>
> Tell me, where is the point that MySQL breaks down? Traffic?
Functionality?
> I admit, MySQL doesn't have, say, the World's Greatest parallel
hot-failover
> technology, but I don't think anyone would classify Oracle's efforts in
this
> regard in that way either.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I'm all for using the right tool for the job, and
MySQL
> or PHP or Linux or Apache aren't each the right tool for every job. But if
> you're going to insist that PHP or MySQL has problems, please point out
> actual problems, instead of vague assertions.
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>




From fawcett at bard.edu  Thu Oct 10 11:39:49 2002
From: fawcett at bard.edu (P. Fawcett)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:39:49 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] install php 4.2.2 with mysql & apache
References: <200210101447.g9AElBix055673@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DA59F45.79ADBADC@bard.edu>

tx. but i can't even 		shell> mysql --user=root mysql

i get error:

# mysql --user=root mysql
ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: 'root at localhost' (Using password:
NO)

Oktay Altunergil wrote:
> 
> http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/GRANT.html
> 
> On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:44:03 -0400
> "P. Fawcett" <fawcett at bard.edu> wrote:
> 
> > tx.
> >
> > to confirm - so i can have both a mod & standalone cgi (thou i don't
> > know why i'd want both but the programmers don't seem to know their
> > environment so i'm just thinking of covering all bases till i get a
> > handle on it.)
> >
> > i found that php 4.2.2 if mysql not specified in config, then it's auto
> > built in
> >
> > so i've got php working but mysql won't do anything from within the
> > server including basic #myqladmin version or variable info, returns
> > w/error:
> >
> > "MySQL said:
> > Host '204.nnn.nnn.nn' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server"
> >
> > & docs point to 'make sure mysqld running- it is, & /tmp/msql-4socket
> > exists -it does, so something else w/access prblm so i have to find
> > mysql talk & maybe they'll know something
> >
> > Analysis & Solutions wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey P:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 11:35:40AM -0400, P. Fawcett wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 1)  if i have php, mysql & perl installed on the sys, do i have to
> > > > include them in the other configs. ie configuring php --with-mysql?
> > >
> > > Yes.  That gives PHP the ability to talk to MySQL.  It makes PHP be
> > > compiled with the MySQL functions.
> > >
> > > > configuring apache --with-perl
> > >
> > > This enables the apache/perl module.  It speeds things up.  Either way,
> > > you can still call Perl scripts as standalone CGIs.
> > >
> > > > am i right mod's, ie mod_php is just a lighter version of php
> > > > & not necessary if i have php 4.2.2 installed?
> > >
> > > Similarly, mod_php installs the apache/perl module, which speeds up
> > > execution.  If you install PHP separately, you can then also execute PHP
> > > scripts in CGI mode.
> > >
> > > In both cases, CGI mode would have the script execute as the owner of the
> > > script while the module versions execute as the Apache process.
> > >
> > > > but mysql would fail after config on: mysqladmin -u root -password
> > > > "new-passwd"
> > > > err: mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost'failed error: 'can't
> > > > connect to local mysql server thru socket '/tmp/mysql.sock'(2).  check
> > > > that mysqld is running & that socket exists.  well it wasn't & it didn't
> > >
> > > I run MySQL on Windows NT, so am not completely familliar with installing
> > > it on linux, but I believe you need to install MySQL as normal.  Then
> > > start the daemon by issuing a "mysqld" command.
> > >
> > > > so i reconfig mysql with simplier 3.23.52 rpm, which would run thru the
> > > > config ok, create the socket, start the daemon, but would populates
> > > > files all over the sys and not create /usr/local/mysql dir, so without
> > > > php config --with-mysql (no path) php would fail syntax in the
> > > > hpptd.conf:
> > > > LoadModule php4_module libexec/libphp4.so - "cannot load
> > > > /usr/local/apache/libexec/libphp4.so into server:libmysqlclient.so".
> > >
> > > Find where the files are created and set your my.conf and/or other
> > > configuration files/commands appropriately.
> > >
> > > --Dan
> > >
> > > --
> > >                PHP classes that make web design easier
> > >         SQL Solution  |   Layout Solution   |  Form Solution
> > >     sqlsolution.info  | layoutsolution.info |  formsolution.info
> > >  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
> > >  4015 7 Av #4AJ, Brooklyn NY     v: 718-854-0335     f: 718-854-0409
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
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From nyphp at altunergil.com  Thu Oct 10 11:34:31 2002
From: nyphp at altunergil.com (Oktay Altunergil)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:34:31 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] install php 4.2.2 with mysql & apache
In-Reply-To: <200210101535.g9AFZuix055748@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210101535.g9AFZuix055748@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021010113431.62962d1b.nyphp@altunergil.com>

try 

mysql --user=root -p mysql

You're attempting to log in without a password (hence the 'Using Password: NO at the end' )


Oktay
On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:35:56 -0400
"P. Fawcett" <fawcett at bard.edu> wrote:

> tx. but i can't even 		shell> mysql --user=root mysql
> 
> i get error:
> 
> # mysql --user=root mysql
> ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: 'root at localhost' (Using password:
> NO)
> 
> Oktay Altunergil wrote:
> > 
> > http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/GRANT.html
> > 
> > On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:44:03 -0400
> > "P. Fawcett" <fawcett at bard.edu> wrote:
> > 
> > > tx.
> > >
> > > to confirm - so i can have both a mod & standalone cgi (thou i don't
> > > know why i'd want both but the programmers don't seem to know their
> > > environment so i'm just thinking of covering all bases till i get a
> > > handle on it.)
> > >
> > > i found that php 4.2.2 if mysql not specified in config, then it's auto
> > > built in
> > >
> > > so i've got php working but mysql won't do anything from within the
> > > server including basic #myqladmin version or variable info, returns
> > > w/error:
> > >
> > > "MySQL said:
> > > Host '204.nnn.nnn.nn' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server"
> > >
> > > & docs point to 'make sure mysqld running- it is, & /tmp/msql-4socket
> > > exists -it does, so something else w/access prblm so i have to find
> > > mysql talk & maybe they'll know something
> > >
> > > Analysis & Solutions wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey P:
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 11:35:40AM -0400, P. Fawcett wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1)  if i have php, mysql & perl installed on the sys, do i have to
> > > > > include them in the other configs. ie configuring php --with-mysql?
> > > >
> > > > Yes.  That gives PHP the ability to talk to MySQL.  It makes PHP be
> > > > compiled with the MySQL functions.
> > > >
> > > > > configuring apache --with-perl
> > > >
> > > > This enables the apache/perl module.  It speeds things up.  Either way,
> > > > you can still call Perl scripts as standalone CGIs.
> > > >
> > > > > am i right mod's, ie mod_php is just a lighter version of php
> > > > > & not necessary if i have php 4.2.2 installed?
> > > >
> > > > Similarly, mod_php installs the apache/perl module, which speeds up
> > > > execution.  If you install PHP separately, you can then also execute PHP
> > > > scripts in CGI mode.
> > > >
> > > > In both cases, CGI mode would have the script execute as the owner of the
> > > > script while the module versions execute as the Apache process.
> > > >
> > > > > but mysql would fail after config on: mysqladmin -u root -password
> > > > > "new-passwd"
> > > > > err: mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost'failed error: 'can't
> > > > > connect to local mysql server thru socket '/tmp/mysql.sock'(2).  check
> > > > > that mysqld is running & that socket exists.  well it wasn't & it didn't
> > > >
> > > > I run MySQL on Windows NT, so am not completely familliar with installing
> > > > it on linux, but I believe you need to install MySQL as normal.  Then
> > > > start the daemon by issuing a "mysqld" command.
> > > >
> > > > > so i reconfig mysql with simplier 3.23.52 rpm, which would run thru the
> > > > > config ok, create the socket, start the daemon, but would populates
> > > > > files all over the sys and not create /usr/local/mysql dir, so without
> > > > > php config --with-mysql (no path) php would fail syntax in the
> > > > > hpptd.conf:
> > > > > LoadModule php4_module libexec/libphp4.so - "cannot load
> > > > > /usr/local/apache/libexec/libphp4.so into server:libmysqlclient.so".
> > > >
> > > > Find where the files are created and set your my.conf and/or other
> > > > configuration files/commands appropriately.
> > > >
> > > > --Dan
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >                PHP classes that make web design easier
> > > >         SQL Solution  |   Layout Solution   |  Form Solution
> > > >     sqlsolution.info  | layoutsolution.info |  formsolution.info
> > > >  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
> > > >  4015 7 Av #4AJ, Brooklyn NY     v: 718-854-0335     f: 718-854-0409
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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> 
> 


From zaunere at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 10 11:42:46 2002
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 08:42:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] install php 4.2.2 with mysql & apache
In-Reply-To: <200210101355.g9ADtlix055591@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021010154246.77093.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com>


--- "P. Fawcett" <fawcett at bard.edu> wrote:
> in picking & sticking w/either rpm or src, does that mean don't mix
> ie. an rpm php w/a mysql src?

Right.  While there's no technical reason not to do so (libs are libs,
bins are bins) you can run into version/configuration mismatches, and
most importantly sysadmin confusion.

> or simply always rpm (or src) with php & ditto mysql etc?

Try to keep them in parallel - especially since RPM packages have
options/dependancies specific to one another.

> the -F is new to me -tx

Yeah, -U is always misleading to me - I shouldn't be able to upgrade
something that doesn't exist; but I guess RPM calls it "freshen".

H


> 
> Hans Zaunere wrote:
> > 
> > --- chalu <chalu at egenius.com> wrote:
> > > Hans Zaunere wrote:
> > > >
> > > >It's important to pick either RPM or src and then stick with it.
>  If
> > > >this is new for you, try RPM.  My RPM is a little rusty, but
> maybe
> > > >something like this would help:
> > > >
> > > >rpm -q apache
> > > >rpm -q php
> > > >rpm -q mysql
> > > >
> > > You mean; rpm -e apache     to erase?
> > 
> > -q to query, so he knows what's installed.  Then -e to erase if
> needed,
> > or -U to upgrade or -F to freshen (upgrades only if package is
> already
> > installed).
> > 
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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Thu Oct 10 11:38:08 2002
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:38:08 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
References: <200210101426.g9AEQMix055634@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DA59EE0.50804@jonbaer.net>

David Sklar wrote

>Don't get me wrong, I'm all for using the right tool for the job, and MySQL
>or PHP or Linux or Apache aren't each the right tool for every job. But if
>you're going to insist that PHP or MySQL has problems, please point out
>actual problems, instead of vague assertions.
>  
>
Yeah I agree, people tend to diss products based on either old info, old 
versions, or just bad initial info (did it myself to PHP when came to 
crossroads of PHP vs. JSP about a year ago) ... Id also like to hear 
what MySQL's problems are as my days of taking time to dabble with 
Oracle or Sybase are over :-)  

I also can't see how one can find a definitive answer for scaling when 
1/2 the equation is based on how much money you put into scaling anyway, 
better equipment and more memory will always help any platform 
(PHP/J2EE/.Net) ...

- Jon




From fawcett at bard.edu  Thu Oct 10 11:54:02 2002
From: fawcett at bard.edu (P. Fawcett)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:54:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] install php 4.2.2 with mysql & apache
References: <200210101538.g9AFckix055755@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DA5A29A.E23E958E@bard.edu>

ah. wondered what those no/yes's were when testing stuff.
but still failed

#mysql --user=mysql -p mysql
Enter password:
ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: 'mysql at localhost' (Using password:
YES)


Oktay Altunergil wrote:
> 
> try
> 
> mysql --user=root -p mysql
> 
> You're attempting to log in without a password (hence the 'Using Password: NO at the end' )
> 
> Oktay
> On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:35:56 -0400
> "P. Fawcett" <fawcett at bard.edu> wrote:
> 
> > tx. but i can't even          shell> mysql --user=root mysql
> >
> > i get error:
> >
> > # mysql --user=root mysql
> > ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: 'root at localhost' (Using password:
> > NO)
> >
> > Oktay Altunergil wrote:
> > >
> > > http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/GRANT.html
> > >
> > > On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:44:03 -0400
> > > "P. Fawcett" <fawcett at bard.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > > tx.
> > > >
> > > > to confirm - so i can have both a mod & standalone cgi (thou i don't
> > > > know why i'd want both but the programmers don't seem to know their
> > > > environment so i'm just thinking of covering all bases till i get a
> > > > handle on it.)
> > > >
> > > > i found that php 4.2.2 if mysql not specified in config, then it's auto
> > > > built in
> > > >
> > > > so i've got php working but mysql won't do anything from within the
> > > > server including basic #myqladmin version or variable info, returns
> > > > w/error:
> > > >
> > > > "MySQL said:
> > > > Host '204.nnn.nnn.nn' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server"
> > > >
> > > > & docs point to 'make sure mysqld running- it is, & /tmp/msql-4socket
> > > > exists -it does, so something else w/access prblm so i have to find
> > > > mysql talk & maybe they'll know something
> > > >
> > > > Analysis & Solutions wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey P:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 11:35:40AM -0400, P. Fawcett wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1)  if i have php, mysql & perl installed on the sys, do i have to
> > > > > > include them in the other configs. ie configuring php --with-mysql?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes.  That gives PHP the ability to talk to MySQL.  It makes PHP be
> > > > > compiled with the MySQL functions.
> > > > >
> > > > > > configuring apache --with-perl
> > > > >
> > > > > This enables the apache/perl module.  It speeds things up.  Either way,
> > > > > you can still call Perl scripts as standalone CGIs.
> > > > >
> > > > > > am i right mod's, ie mod_php is just a lighter version of php
> > > > > > & not necessary if i have php 4.2.2 installed?
> > > > >
> > > > > Similarly, mod_php installs the apache/perl module, which speeds up
> > > > > execution.  If you install PHP separately, you can then also execute PHP
> > > > > scripts in CGI mode.
> > > > >
> > > > > In both cases, CGI mode would have the script execute as the owner of the
> > > > > script while the module versions execute as the Apache process.
> > > > >
> > > > > > but mysql would fail after config on: mysqladmin -u root -password
> > > > > > "new-passwd"
> > > > > > err: mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost'failed error: 'can't
> > > > > > connect to local mysql server thru socket '/tmp/mysql.sock'(2).  check
> > > > > > that mysqld is running & that socket exists.  well it wasn't & it didn't
> > > > >
> > > > > I run MySQL on Windows NT, so am not completely familliar with installing
> > > > > it on linux, but I believe you need to install MySQL as normal.  Then
> > > > > start the daemon by issuing a "mysqld" command.
> > > > >
> > > > > > so i reconfig mysql with simplier 3.23.52 rpm, which would run thru the
> > > > > > config ok, create the socket, start the daemon, but would populates
> > > > > > files all over the sys and not create /usr/local/mysql dir, so without
> > > > > > php config --with-mysql (no path) php would fail syntax in the
> > > > > > hpptd.conf:
> > > > > > LoadModule php4_module libexec/libphp4.so - "cannot load
> > > > > > /usr/local/apache/libexec/libphp4.so into server:libmysqlclient.so".
> > > > >
> > > > > Find where the files are created and set your my.conf and/or other
> > > > > configuration files/commands appropriately.
> > > > >
> > > > > --Dan
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >                PHP classes that make web design easier
> > > > >         SQL Solution  |   Layout Solution   |  Form Solution
> > > > >     sqlsolution.info  | layoutsolution.info |  formsolution.info
> > > > >  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
> > > > >  4015 7 Av #4AJ, Brooklyn NY     v: 718-854-0335     f: 718-854-0409
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 10 11:51:29 2002
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 08:51:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] install php 4.2.2 with mysql & apache
In-Reply-To: <200210101444.g9AEi3ix055662@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021010155129.40666.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com>


--- "P. Fawcett" <fawcett at bard.edu> wrote:
> tx.
> 
> to confirm - so i can have both a mod & standalone cgi (thou i don't
> know why i'd want both but the programmers don't seem to know their
> environment so i'm just thinking of covering all bases till i get a
> handle on it.)

The shotgun method - works well, until you need to upgrade/patch  :)

> i found that php 4.2.2 if mysql not specified in config, then it's
> auto built in

It's always better to use MySQL's client libs.  ie, when configuring
php:

./configure --with-mysql=/usr/local/mysql

> so i've got php working but mysql won't do anything from within the
> server including basic #myqladmin version or variable info, returns
> w/error: 
> 
> "MySQL said: 
> Host '204.nnn.nnn.nn' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server"
> 
> & docs point to 'make sure mysqld running- it is, & /tmp/msql-4socket
> exists -it does, so something else w/access prblm so i have to find
> mysql talk & maybe they'll know something

Maybe.

Obviously, your permission tables aren't setup properly.  There are a
couple of issues:

1) if you connect to localhost or the FQDN or alias of a system, MySQL
will see the connection as comming from different hosts.

2) if you INSERT/UPDATE/DELETE the mysql.* tables directly, you need to
FLUSH PRIVILEGES for the changes to take effect.

3) Use GRANT/REVOKE.  Read:
http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Privilege_system.html
http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/User_Account_Management.html

H



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From oktay at optonline.net  Thu Oct 10 11:59:22 2002
From: oktay at optonline.net (Oktay Altunergil)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:59:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] install php 4.2.2 with mysql & apache
In-Reply-To: <200210101550.g9AFo9ix055788@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210101550.g9AFo9ix055788@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021010115922.2f13f1fd.oktay@optonline.net>

I don't know how you've installed it. But if you've installed from source, there's a step which you perform to set up the initial system tables. 
(scripts/mysql_install_db)

See the following page. I've installed MySQL about 50 times using these instructions. (no I don't memorize stuff like this).  It has never failed. Most times you can actually copy/paste most of the stuff.

http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Quick_install.html

If you have alrady run mysql_install_db or you have installed RPM (hence install_db shouldn't be the issue) reset the password by doing the following in shell as root.

killall mysqld
safe_mysqld --skip-grant-tables &      # (i think new versions call this mysqld_safe )
mysql

Once in the mysql monitor, run the following two queries.

use mysql;
UPDATE user SET password = PASSWORD("new_password") WHERE user = 'root';
FLUSH PRIVILEGES;   # you don't need this since you'll restart again.
quit;

Then in shell again:

killall mysqld;
safe_mysqld&


Have fun. --oktay--

On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:50:09 -0400
"P. Fawcett" <fawcett at bard.edu> wrote:

> ah. wondered what those no/yes's were when testing stuff.
> but still failed
> 
> #mysql --user=mysql -p mysql
> Enter password:
> ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: 'mysql at localhost' (Using password:
> YES)
> 
> 
> Oktay Altunergil wrote:
> > 
> > try
> > 
> > mysql --user=root -p mysql
> > 
> > You're attempting to log in without a password (hence the 'Using Password: NO at the end' )
> > 
> > Oktay
> > On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:35:56 -0400
> > "P. Fawcett" <fawcett at bard.edu> wrote:
> > 
> > > tx. but i can't even          shell> mysql --user=root mysql
> > >
> > > i get error:
> > >
> > > # mysql --user=root mysql
> > > ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: 'root at localhost' (Using password:
> > > NO)
> > >
> > > Oktay Altunergil wrote:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/GRANT.html
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:44:03 -0400
> > > > "P. Fawcett" <fawcett at bard.edu> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > tx.
> > > > >
> > > > > to confirm - so i can have both a mod & standalone cgi (thou i don't
> > > > > know why i'd want both but the programmers don't seem to know their
> > > > > environment so i'm just thinking of covering all bases till i get a
> > > > > handle on it.)
> > > > >
> > > > > i found that php 4.2.2 if mysql not specified in config, then it's auto
> > > > > built in
> > > > >
> > > > > so i've got php working but mysql won't do anything from within the
> > > > > server including basic #myqladmin version or variable info, returns
> > > > > w/error:
> > > > >
> > > > > "MySQL said:
> > > > > Host '204.nnn.nnn.nn' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server"
> > > > >
> > > > > & docs point to 'make sure mysqld running- it is, & /tmp/msql-4socket
> > > > > exists -it does, so something else w/access prblm so i have to find
> > > > > mysql talk & maybe they'll know something
> > > > >
> > > > > Analysis & Solutions wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hey P:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 11:35:40AM -0400, P. Fawcett wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1)  if i have php, mysql & perl installed on the sys, do i have to
> > > > > > > include them in the other configs. ie configuring php --with-mysql?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes.  That gives PHP the ability to talk to MySQL.  It makes PHP be
> > > > > > compiled with the MySQL functions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > configuring apache --with-perl
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This enables the apache/perl module.  It speeds things up.  Either way,
> > > > > > you can still call Perl scripts as standalone CGIs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > am i right mod's, ie mod_php is just a lighter version of php
> > > > > > > & not necessary if i have php 4.2.2 installed?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Similarly, mod_php installs the apache/perl module, which speeds up
> > > > > > execution.  If you install PHP separately, you can then also execute PHP
> > > > > > scripts in CGI mode.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In both cases, CGI mode would have the script execute as the owner of the
> > > > > > script while the module versions execute as the Apache process.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > but mysql would fail after config on: mysqladmin -u root -password
> > > > > > > "new-passwd"
> > > > > > > err: mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost'failed error: 'can't
> > > > > > > connect to local mysql server thru socket '/tmp/mysql.sock'(2).  check
> > > > > > > that mysqld is running & that socket exists.  well it wasn't & it didn't
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I run MySQL on Windows NT, so am not completely familliar with installing
> > > > > > it on linux, but I believe you need to install MySQL as normal.  Then
> > > > > > start the daemon by issuing a "mysqld" command.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > so i reconfig mysql with simplier 3.23.52 rpm, which would run thru the
> > > > > > > config ok, create the socket, start the daemon, but would populates
> > > > > > > files all over the sys and not create /usr/local/mysql dir, so without
> > > > > > > php config --with-mysql (no path) php would fail syntax in the
> > > > > > > hpptd.conf:
> > > > > > > LoadModule php4_module libexec/libphp4.so - "cannot load
> > > > > > > /usr/local/apache/libexec/libphp4.so into server:libmysqlclient.so".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Find where the files are created and set your my.conf and/or other
> > > > > > configuration files/commands appropriately.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --Dan
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >                PHP classes that make web design easier
> > > > > >         SQL Solution  |   Layout Solution   |  Form Solution
> > > > > >     sqlsolution.info  | layoutsolution.info |  formsolution.info
> > > > > >  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
> > > > > >  4015 7 Av #4AJ, Brooklyn NY     v: 718-854-0335     f: 718-854-0409
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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> > 
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> 
> 
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From fawcett at bard.edu  Thu Oct 10 12:12:10 2002
From: fawcett at bard.edu (P. Fawcett)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:12:10 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] install php 4.2.2 with mysql & apache
References: <200210101542.g9AFgoix055766@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DA5A6DA.91140EAB@bard.edu>

well i've certainly hit the admin confusion here, & prbly mismatches

since i've got apache & php installed via binary (or source - still
confused on that) but mysql is rpm'd, so i'll rpm -e the mysql & install
it over again w/the binary (or source).  would hate to change the apache
or php as they're working!  & i'll just reconfig the php with the client
lib /configure --with-mysql=/usr/local/mysql as to me that seems cleaner
& besides you also recommended it!  nice to have thought process in a
new area confirmed


Hans Zaunere wrote:
> 
> --- "P. Fawcett" <fawcett at bard.edu> wrote:
> > in picking & sticking w/either rpm or src, does that mean don't mix
> > ie. an rpm php w/a mysql src?
> 
> Right.  While there's no technical reason not to do so (libs are libs,
> bins are bins) you can run into version/configuration mismatches, and
> most importantly sysadmin confusion.
> 
> > or simply always rpm (or src) with php & ditto mysql etc?
> 
> Try to keep them in parallel - especially since RPM packages have
> options/dependancies specific to one another.
> 
> > the -F is new to me -tx
> 
> Yeah, -U is always misleading to me - I shouldn't be able to upgrade
> something that doesn't exist; but I guess RPM calls it "freshen".
> 
> H
> 
> >
> > Hans Zaunere wrote:
> > >
> > > --- chalu <chalu at egenius.com> wrote:
> > > > Hans Zaunere wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >It's important to pick either RPM or src and then stick with it.
> >  If
> > > > >this is new for you, try RPM.  My RPM is a little rusty, but
> > maybe
> > > > >something like this would help:
> > > > >
> > > > >rpm -q apache
> > > > >rpm -q php
> > > > >rpm -q mysql
> > > > >
> > > > You mean; rpm -e apache     to erase?
> > >
> > > -q to query, so he knows what's installed.  Then -e to erase if
> > needed,
> > > or -U to upgrade or -F to freshen (upgrades only if package is
> > already
> > > installed).
> > >
> > > =====
> > > Hans Zaunere
> > > New York PHP
> > > http://nyphp.org
> > > hans at nyphp.org
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From nyphp at altunergil.com  Thu Oct 10 12:05:20 2002
From: nyphp at altunergil.com (Oktay Altunergil)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:05:20 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] install php 4.2.2 with mysql & apache
In-Reply-To: <200210101550.g9AFo9ix055788@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210101550.g9AFo9ix055788@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021010120520.615102a3.nyphp@altunergil.com>

I don't know how you've installed it. But if you've installed from source, there's a step which you perform to set up the initial system tables. 
(scripts/mysql_install_db)

See the following page. I've installed MySQL about 50 times using these instructions. (no I don't memorize stuff like this).  It has never failed. Most times you can actually copy/paste most of the stuff.

http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Quick_install.html

If you have alrady run mysql_install_db or you have installed RPM (hence install_db shouldn't be the issue) reset the password by doing the following in shell as root.

killall mysqld
safe_mysqld --skip-grant-tables &      # (i think new versions call this mysqld_safe )
mysql

Once in the mysql monitor, run the following two queries.

use mysql;
UPDATE user SET password = PASSWORD("new_password") WHERE user = 'root';
FLUSH PRIVILEGES;   # you don't need this since you'll restart again.
quit;

Then in shell again:

killall mysqld;
safe_mysqld&


Have fun. --oktay--

On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:50:09 -0400
"P. Fawcett" <fawcett at bard.edu> wrote:

> ah. wondered what those no/yes's were when testing stuff.
> but still failed
> 
> #mysql --user=mysql -p mysql
> Enter password:
> ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: 'mysql at localhost' (Using password:
> YES)
> 
> 
> Oktay Altunergil wrote:
> > 
> > try
> > 
> > mysql --user=root -p mysql
> > 
> > You're attempting to log in without a password (hence the 'Using Password: NO at the end' )
> > 
> > Oktay
> > On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:35:56 -0400
> > "P. Fawcett" <fawcett at bard.edu> wrote:
> > 
> > > tx. but i can't even          shell> mysql --user=root mysql
> > >
> > > i get error:
> > >
> > > # mysql --user=root mysql
> > > ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: 'root at localhost' (Using password:
> > > NO)
> > >
> > > Oktay Altunergil wrote:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/GRANT.html
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:44:03 -0400
> > > > "P. Fawcett" <fawcett at bard.edu> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > tx.
> > > > >
> > > > > to confirm - so i can have both a mod & standalone cgi (thou i don't
> > > > > know why i'd want both but the programmers don't seem to know their
> > > > > environment so i'm just thinking of covering all bases till i get a
> > > > > handle on it.)
> > > > >
> > > > > i found that php 4.2.2 if mysql not specified in config, then it's auto
> > > > > built in
> > > > >
> > > > > so i've got php working but mysql won't do anything from within the
> > > > > server including basic #myqladmin version or variable info, returns
> > > > > w/error:
> > > > >
> > > > > "MySQL said:
> > > > > Host '204.nnn.nnn.nn' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server"
> > > > >
> > > > > & docs point to 'make sure mysqld running- it is, & /tmp/msql-4socket
> > > > > exists -it does, so something else w/access prblm so i have to find
> > > > > mysql talk & maybe they'll know something
> > > > >
> > > > > Analysis & Solutions wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hey P:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 11:35:40AM -0400, P. Fawcett wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1)  if i have php, mysql & perl installed on the sys, do i have to
> > > > > > > include them in the other configs. ie configuring php --with-mysql?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes.  That gives PHP the ability to talk to MySQL.  It makes PHP be
> > > > > > compiled with the MySQL functions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > configuring apache --with-perl
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This enables the apache/perl module.  It speeds things up.  Either way,
> > > > > > you can still call Perl scripts as standalone CGIs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > am i right mod's, ie mod_php is just a lighter version of php
> > > > > > > & not necessary if i have php 4.2.2 installed?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Similarly, mod_php installs the apache/perl module, which speeds up
> > > > > > execution.  If you install PHP separately, you can then also execute PHP
> > > > > > scripts in CGI mode.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In both cases, CGI mode would have the script execute as the owner of the
> > > > > > script while the module versions execute as the Apache process.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > but mysql would fail after config on: mysqladmin -u root -password
> > > > > > > "new-passwd"
> > > > > > > err: mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost'failed error: 'can't
> > > > > > > connect to local mysql server thru socket '/tmp/mysql.sock'(2).  check
> > > > > > > that mysqld is running & that socket exists.  well it wasn't & it didn't
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I run MySQL on Windows NT, so am not completely familliar with installing
> > > > > > it on linux, but I believe you need to install MySQL as normal.  Then
> > > > > > start the daemon by issuing a "mysqld" command.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > so i reconfig mysql with simplier 3.23.52 rpm, which would run thru the
> > > > > > > config ok, create the socket, start the daemon, but would populates
> > > > > > > files all over the sys and not create /usr/local/mysql dir, so without
> > > > > > > php config --with-mysql (no path) php would fail syntax in the
> > > > > > > hpptd.conf:
> > > > > > > LoadModule php4_module libexec/libphp4.so - "cannot load
> > > > > > > /usr/local/apache/libexec/libphp4.so into server:libmysqlclient.so".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Find where the files are created and set your my.conf and/or other
> > > > > > configuration files/commands appropriately.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --Dan
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >                PHP classes that make web design easier
> > > > > >         SQL Solution  |   Layout Solution   |  Form Solution
> > > > > >     sqlsolution.info  | layoutsolution.info |  formsolution.info
> > > > > >  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
> > > > > >  4015 7 Av #4AJ, Brooklyn NY     v: 718-854-0335     f: 718-854-0409
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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From sklar at sklar.com  Thu Oct 10 12:13:49 2002
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:13:49 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
In-Reply-To: <200210101544.g9AFiYix055773@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJCEMEDMAA.sklar@sklar.com>

> From: Jon Baer [mailto:jonbaer at jonbaer.net]
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 11:45 AM
>
> I also can't see how one can find a definitive answer for scaling when
> 1/2 the equation is based on how much money you put into scaling anyway,
> better equipment and more memory will always help any platform
> (PHP/J2EE/.Net) ...

Yes, perhaps the relevant criterion is the scalability of one's bank
account. :)

-dave



From nyphp at altunergil.com  Thu Oct 10 12:12:37 2002
From: nyphp at altunergil.com (Oktay Altunergil)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:12:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] install php 4.2.2 with mysql & apache
In-Reply-To: <200210101608.g9AG8Iix055861@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210101608.g9AG8Iix055861@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021010121237.26367de1.nyphp@altunergil.com>

When there's confusion, there should be some explanation.

binary : as in precompiled on a different box and ready to run on another
source : you do './configure && ./make && ./make install' yourself. Compiled on your box.
rpm    : a package format to make managing software easier. rpm's are esentially *binary* files that adhere to a specification. (i.e specs describe where the files go, what scripts are run during the install etc) Other examples of binary package management systems are Debian's .deb, Slackware's .tgz  etc.

There's yet another system where there's a package management system in place but the software is built from source on your own computer. (FreeBSD ports and Gentoo portage are examples of this)

Oktay

On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:08:18 -0400
"P. Fawcett" <fawcett at bard.edu> wrote:

 [ header snip ]
> 
> well i've certainly hit the admin confusion here, & prbly mismatches
> 
> since i've got apache & php installed via binary (or source - still
> confused on that) but mysql is rpm'd, 

 [ snip ]


From fawcett at bard.edu  Thu Oct 10 12:25:02 2002
From: fawcett at bard.edu (P. Fawcett)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:25:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] install php 4.2.2 with mysql & apache
References: <200210101609.g9AG9Xix055868@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DA5A9DE.2EA342E1@bard.edu>

originally installed source mysql v.49, but missed the step "shell> cp
support-files/my-medium.cnf /etc/my.cnf".  maybe that's where i
orginally ran into trbl.  so gonna rpm -e v.52, & install from source
the v.52.  tx

Oktay Altunergil wrote:
> 
> I don't know how you've installed it. But if you've installed from source, there's a step which you perform to set up the initial system tables.
> (scripts/mysql_install_db)
> 
> See the following page. I've installed MySQL about 50 times using these instructions. (no I don't memorize stuff like this).  It has never failed. Most times you can actually copy/paste most of the stuff.
> 
> http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Quick_install.html
> 
> If you have alrady run mysql_install_db or you have installed RPM (hence install_db shouldn't be the issue) reset the password by doing the following in shell as root.
> 
> killall mysqld
> safe_mysqld --skip-grant-tables &      # (i think new versions call this mysqld_safe )
> mysql
> 
> Once in the mysql monitor, run the following two queries.
> 
> use mysql;
> UPDATE user SET password = PASSWORD("new_password") WHERE user = 'root';
> FLUSH PRIVILEGES;   # you don't need this since you'll restart again.
> quit;
> 
> Then in shell again:
> 
> killall mysqld;
> safe_mysqld&
> 
> Have fun. --oktay--
> 
> On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:50:09 -0400
> "P. Fawcett" <fawcett at bard.edu> wrote:
> 
> > ah. wondered what those no/yes's were when testing stuff.
> > but still failed
> >
> > #mysql --user=mysql -p mysql
> > Enter password:
> > ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: 'mysql at localhost' (Using password:
> > YES)
> >
> >
> > Oktay Altunergil wrote:
> > >
> > > try
> > >
> > > mysql --user=root -p mysql
> > >
> > > You're attempting to log in without a password (hence the 'Using Password: NO at the end' )
> > >
> > > Oktay
> > > On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:35:56 -0400
> > > "P. Fawcett" <fawcett at bard.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > > tx. but i can't even          shell> mysql --user=root mysql
> > > >
> > > > i get error:
> > > >
> > > > # mysql --user=root mysql
> > > > ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: 'root at localhost' (Using password:
> > > > NO)
> > > >
> > > > Oktay Altunergil wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/GRANT.html
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:44:03 -0400
> > > > > "P. Fawcett" <fawcett at bard.edu> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > tx.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > to confirm - so i can have both a mod & standalone cgi (thou i don't
> > > > > > know why i'd want both but the programmers don't seem to know their
> > > > > > environment so i'm just thinking of covering all bases till i get a
> > > > > > handle on it.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i found that php 4.2.2 if mysql not specified in config, then it's auto
> > > > > > built in
> > > > > >
> > > > > > so i've got php working but mysql won't do anything from within the
> > > > > > server including basic #myqladmin version or variable info, returns
> > > > > > w/error:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "MySQL said:
> > > > > > Host '204.nnn.nnn.nn' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > & docs point to 'make sure mysqld running- it is, & /tmp/msql-4socket
> > > > > > exists -it does, so something else w/access prblm so i have to find
> > > > > > mysql talk & maybe they'll know something
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Analysis & Solutions wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hey P:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 11:35:40AM -0400, P. Fawcett wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1)  if i have php, mysql & perl installed on the sys, do i have to
> > > > > > > > include them in the other configs. ie configuring php --with-mysql?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes.  That gives PHP the ability to talk to MySQL.  It makes PHP be
> > > > > > > compiled with the MySQL functions.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > configuring apache --with-perl
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This enables the apache/perl module.  It speeds things up.  Either way,
> > > > > > > you can still call Perl scripts as standalone CGIs.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > am i right mod's, ie mod_php is just a lighter version of php
> > > > > > > > & not necessary if i have php 4.2.2 installed?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Similarly, mod_php installs the apache/perl module, which speeds up
> > > > > > > execution.  If you install PHP separately, you can then also execute PHP
> > > > > > > scripts in CGI mode.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In both cases, CGI mode would have the script execute as the owner of the
> > > > > > > script while the module versions execute as the Apache process.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > but mysql would fail after config on: mysqladmin -u root -password
> > > > > > > > "new-passwd"
> > > > > > > > err: mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost'failed error: 'can't
> > > > > > > > connect to local mysql server thru socket '/tmp/mysql.sock'(2).  check
> > > > > > > > that mysqld is running & that socket exists.  well it wasn't & it didn't
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I run MySQL on Windows NT, so am not completely familliar with installing
> > > > > > > it on linux, but I believe you need to install MySQL as normal.  Then
> > > > > > > start the daemon by issuing a "mysqld" command.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > so i reconfig mysql with simplier 3.23.52 rpm, which would run thru the
> > > > > > > > config ok, create the socket, start the daemon, but would populates
> > > > > > > > files all over the sys and not create /usr/local/mysql dir, so without
> > > > > > > > php config --with-mysql (no path) php would fail syntax in the
> > > > > > > > hpptd.conf:
> > > > > > > > LoadModule php4_module libexec/libphp4.so - "cannot load
> > > > > > > > /usr/local/apache/libexec/libphp4.so into server:libmysqlclient.so".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Find where the files are created and set your my.conf and/or other
> > > > > > > configuration files/commands appropriately.
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From fawcett at bard.edu  Thu Oct 10 12:43:50 2002
From: fawcett at bard.edu (P. Fawcett)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:43:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] install php 4.2.2 with mysql & apache
References: <200210101616.g9AGGnix055893@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DA5AE46.A33839DE@bard.edu>

tx. i know the resulting dif between bin/src/rpm (but didn't know
.deb/.tgz.  interesting on freebsd & gentoo)

but in downloading i can't tell from zipped tar file names  which is
binary & which is source as they seem to be same format ie. php or
mysql-ver-os.tar.gz.  unless maybe directory structure specific, but i
didn't catch then when looking at mirrors

Oktay Altunergil wrote:
> 
> When there's confusion, there should be some explanation.
> 
> binary : as in precompiled on a different box and ready to run on another
> source : you do './configure && ./make && ./make install' yourself. Compiled on your box.
> rpm    : a package format to make managing software easier. rpm's are esentially *binary* files that adhere to a specification. (i.e specs describe where the files go, what scripts are run during the install etc) Other examples of binary package management systems are Debian's .deb, Slackware's .tgz  etc.
> 
> There's yet another system where there's a package management system in place but the software is built from source on your own computer. (FreeBSD ports and Gentoo portage are examples of this)
> 
> Oktay
> 
> On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:08:18 -0400
> "P. Fawcett" <fawcett at bard.edu> wrote:
> 
>  [ header snip ]
> >
> > well i've certainly hit the admin confusion here, & prbly mismatches
> >
> > since i've got apache & php installed via binary (or source - still
> > confused on that) but mysql is rpm'd,
> 
>  [ snip ]
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---


From fawcett at bard.edu  Thu Oct 10 12:48:12 2002
From: fawcett at bard.edu (P. Fawcett)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:48:12 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] install php 4.2.2 with mysql & apache
References: <200210101551.g9AFpaix055795@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DA5AF4C.D4D53D2C@bard.edu>

i hate shotgun from maintenance standpoint - but when under fire...

in fact i have to drop this server till tues as i have been given
priority to another needed by tues. so you may not hear any more
confusion till then.

tx. for doc pointers.  can spend lifetime reading & like to start in the
right direction at least for production purposes

was disappointed to miss recent nyc php users group discussing
apache/php/mysql - was exactly what i needed!

Hans Zaunere wrote:
> 
> --- "P. Fawcett" <fawcett at bard.edu> wrote:
> > tx.
> >
> > to confirm - so i can have both a mod & standalone cgi (thou i don't
> > know why i'd want both but the programmers don't seem to know their
> > environment so i'm just thinking of covering all bases till i get a
> > handle on it.)
> 
> The shotgun method - works well, until you need to upgrade/patch  :)
> 
> > i found that php 4.2.2 if mysql not specified in config, then it's
> > auto built in
> 
> It's always better to use MySQL's client libs.  ie, when configuring
> php:
> 
> /configure --with-mysql=/usr/local/mysql
> 
> > so i've got php working but mysql won't do anything from within the
> > server including basic #myqladmin version or variable info, returns
> > w/error:
> >
> > "MySQL said:
> > Host '204.nnn.nnn.nn' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server"
> >
> > & docs point to 'make sure mysqld running- it is, & /tmp/msql-4socket
> > exists -it does, so something else w/access prblm so i have to find
> > mysql talk & maybe they'll know something
> 
> Maybe.
> 
> Obviously, your permission tables aren't setup properly.  There are a
> couple of issues:
> 
> 1) if you connect to localhost or the FQDN or alias of a system, MySQL
> will see the connection as comming from different hosts.
> 
> 2) if you INSERT/UPDATE/DELETE the mysql.* tables directly, you need to
> FLUSH PRIVILEGES for the changes to take effect.
> 
> 3) Use GRANT/REVOKE.  Read:
> http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Privilege_system.html
> http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/User_Account_Management.html
> 
> H
> 
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From nyphp at altunergil.com  Thu Oct 10 12:42:47 2002
From: nyphp at altunergil.com (Oktay Altunergil)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:42:47 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] install php 4.2.2 with mysql & apache
In-Reply-To: <200210101639.g9AGdwix055957@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210101639.g9AGdwix055957@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021010124247.4441147a.nyphp@altunergil.com>

Yeah.. I remember downloading the binary tar.gz rather than the source one in the past.. For some odd reason mysql.com lists the source packages at the very bottom on their download page (
http://www.mysql.com/downloads/mysql-3.23.html) while the binary package(s) are listed at the top.

Oktay

On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:39:58 -0400
"P. Fawcett" <fawcett at bard.edu> wrote:

> tx. i know the resulting dif between bin/src/rpm (but didn't know
> deb/.tgz.  interesting on freebsd & gentoo)
> 
> but in downloading i can't tell from zipped tar file names  which is
> binary & which is source as they seem to be same format ie. php or
> mysql-ver-os.tar.gz.  unless maybe directory structure specific, but i
> didn't catch then when looking at mirrors
> 
> Oktay Altunergil wrote:
> > 
> > When there's confusion, there should be some explanation.
> > 
> > binary : as in precompiled on a different box and ready to run on another
> > source : you do './configure && ./make && ./make install' yourself. Compiled on your box.
> > rpm    : a package format to make managing software easier. rpm's are esentially *binary* files that adhere to a specification. (i.e specs describe where the files go, what scripts are run during the install etc) Other examples of binary package management systems are Debian's .deb, Slackware's .tgz  etc.
> > 
> > There's yet another system where there's a package management system in place but the software is built from source on your own computer. (FreeBSD ports and Gentoo portage are examples of this)
> > 
> > Oktay
> > 
> > On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:08:18 -0400
> > "P. Fawcett" <fawcett at bard.edu> wrote:
> > 
> >  [ header snip ]
> > >
> > > well i've certainly hit the admin confusion here, & prbly mismatches
> > >
> > > since i've got apache & php installed via binary (or source - still
> > > confused on that) but mysql is rpm'd,
> > 
> >  [ snip ]
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
> 
> 


From Wasch at aol.com  Thu Oct 10 13:24:37 2002
From: Wasch at aol.com (Wasch at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:24:37 EDT
Subject: [nycphp-talk] install php 4.2.2 with mysql & apache
Message-ID: <6f.2f13aa41.2ad711d5@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/10/2002 12:21:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
fawcett at bard.edu writes:


> well i've certainly hit the admin confusion here, & prbly mismatches
> 
> since i've got apache & php installed via binary (or source - still
> confused on that) but mysql is rpm'd, so i'll rpm -e the mysql & install
> it over again w/the binary (or source).  would hate to change the apache
> or php as they're working!  & i'll just reconfig the php with the client
> lib /configure --with-mysql=/usr/local/mysql as to me that seems cleaner
> & besides you also recommended it!  nice to have thought process in a
> new area confirmed
> 

Question: What OS are you using? If Windows, what flavor? If Linux, what 
flavor?

Wayne Schultz
DraftCAD LLC
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From Wasch at aol.com  Thu Oct 10 13:28:35 2002
From: Wasch at aol.com (Wasch at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:28:35 EDT
Subject: [nycphp-talk] install php 4.2.2 with mysql & apache
Message-ID: <11d.18847c40.2ad712c3@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/10/2002 12:47:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
fawcett at bard.edu writes:


> was disappointed to miss recent nyc php users group discussing
> apache/php/mysql - was exactly what i needed!
> 

Sure wish I was closer to get to your meetings; but we have nothing like your 
group  here in the Philly area. Guess there to busy eating Cheese Steaks or 
trying to fix the crack in the Liberty Bell.

Wayne Schuiltz
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From fawcett at bard.edu  Thu Oct 10 14:07:04 2002
From: fawcett at bard.edu (P. Fawcett)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:07:04 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] install php 4.2.2 with mysql & apache
References: <200210101646.g9AGkxix055978@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DA5C1C8.D8091109@bard.edu>

i've usually been ftp'ing so not noticed the web window layout -duh -
i'm ashamed..

but the linux binary filename specifies pc - are the apps for php &
mysql same for pc as server & just oddly named?  i shy'ed from something
named ...pc...

Oktay Altunergil wrote:
> 
> Yeah.. I remember downloading the binary tar.gz rather than the source one in the past.. For some odd reason mysql.com lists the source packages at the very bottom on their download page (
> http://www.mysql.com/downloads/mysql-3.23.html) while the binary package(s) are listed at the top.
> 
> Oktay
> 
> On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:39:58 -0400
> "P. Fawcett" <fawcett at bard.edu> wrote:
> 
> > tx. i know the resulting dif between bin/src/rpm (but didn't know
> > deb/.tgz.  interesting on freebsd & gentoo)
> >
> > but in downloading i can't tell from zipped tar file names  which is
> > binary & which is source as they seem to be same format ie. php or
> > mysql-ver-os.tar.gz.  unless maybe directory structure specific, but i
> > didn't catch then when looking at mirrors
> >
> > Oktay Altunergil wrote:
> > >
> > > When there's confusion, there should be some explanation.
> > >
> > > binary : as in precompiled on a different box and ready to run on another
> > > source : you do './configure && ./make && ./make install' yourself. Compiled on your box.
> > > rpm    : a package format to make managing software easier. rpm's are esentially *binary* files that adhere to a specification. (i.e specs describe where the files go, what scripts are run during the install etc) Other examples of binary package management systems are Debian's .deb, Slackware's .tgz  etc.
> > >
> > > There's yet another system where there's a package management system in place but the software is built from source on your own computer. (FreeBSD ports and Gentoo portage are examples of this)
> > >
> > > Oktay
> > >
> > > On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:08:18 -0400
> > > "P. Fawcett" <fawcett at bard.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > >  [ header snip ]
> > > >
> > > > well i've certainly hit the admin confusion here, & prbly mismatches
> > > >
> > > > since i've got apache & php installed via binary (or source - still
> > > > confused on that) but mysql is rpm'd,
> > >
> > >  [ snip ]
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---


From ktuskey at exostream.com  Thu Oct 10 15:37:30 2002
From: ktuskey at exostream.com (Kyle Tuskey)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:37:30 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
In-Reply-To: <200210101426.g9AEQMix055634@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <001e01c27094$792e3fa0$0100a8c0@win2kbox>

David,

MySQL lacks in quite a few areas.

1) It has poor performance under heavy loads
2) It lacks key functionality
3) Data integrity is currently a big problem
4) Large amounts of data are handled poorly
5) It lacks replication and other enterprise level features
6) Backup and recovery features could use improvement

Just use MySQL for a while and try to do anything like a join on more
than two tables.  It chokes.  Other databases are built to handle real
and heavy processing, whereas MySQL is built for smaller needs.  Some
will argue the de-normalizing data is always the way to go anyway, but
unless you are data warehousing there is no need to do it.  It just
creates poor database design.  You might be able to get away with using
MySQL on some heavier projects, but that doesn't make it the right tool
for the job.  As for your enterprise question, I classify enterprise
level as an application (this is not limited to web applications) that
is currently or possibly going to be under heavy load and needs to be
distributed over multiple machines effectively.  The application needs
to be scalable to decrease the risk of poor application performance with
increasing loads.  As I said this is often misclassified because people
throw the word around without cause.  Most applications don't have
enterprise needs, which makes PHP a great choice for development.



Kyle



-----Original Message-----
From: David Sklar [mailto:sklar at sklar.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:26 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture

> From: Kyle Tuskey [mailto:ktuskey at exostream.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 12:20 AM
>
> You can scale LAMP (minus MySQL which is barely a database) to some
> degree, but it isn't really the best way to approach it.  PHP was not
> built to be an enterprise language.  The lack of the N-Tier model
makes
> it great for most sites, but true enterprise level needs would be
better
> approached with J2EE or .Net.  Using .Net or J2EE (Java) will make the
> final solution much easier to use, manage, scale, and deploy.  Though
> the word "enterprise" is thrown around too much and often isn't used
> accurately, applications that truly are enterprise do need to take
into
> account a lot of the advantages of the N-Tier model.  PHP has XML-RPC
to
> all remote calls in a distributed architecture if I remember
correctly,
> but it isn't very efficient.  For instance, Java's RMI (Remote Method
> Invocation) implementation is much more robust for this purpose.  If
you
> must use PHP for an enterprise solution, use a strong RDBMS (MySQL is
> definitely not in this category) and some form of load balancing or
> clustering as opposed to an attempted distributed architecture w/ PHP.

So, Kyle, what is "true enterprise level," then? A billion pageviews per
month? The 800B PV/month Ophir cited at CCI works out to about
300/second,
and I presume that doesn't include images or other static objects.

Tell me, where is the point that MySQL breaks down? Traffic?
Functionality?
I admit, MySQL doesn't have, say, the World's Greatest parallel
hot-failover
technology, but I don't think anyone would classify Oracle's efforts in
this
regard in that way either.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for using the right tool for the job, and
MySQL
or PHP or Linux or Apache aren't each the right tool for every job. But
if
you're going to insist that PHP or MySQL has problems, please point out
actual problems, instead of vague assertions.

Thanks,

David



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From sklar at sklar.com  Thu Oct 10 16:43:06 2002
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 16:43:06 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
In-Reply-To: <200210101936.g9AJaQix056204@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJKEMODMAA.sklar@sklar.com>

> David,
>
> MySQL lacks in quite a few areas.
>
> 1) It has poor performance under heavy loads
> 2) It lacks key functionality
> 3) Data integrity is currently a big problem
> 4) Large amounts of data are handled poorly
> 5) It lacks replication and other enterprise level features
> 6) Backup and recovery features could use improvement
>
> Just use MySQL for a while and try to do anything like a join on more
> than two tables.  It chokes.  Other databases are built to handle real
> and heavy processing, whereas MySQL is built for smaller needs.

We can debate what "heavy loads" means, and Ophir's earlier comment about a
few thousand simultaneous connects may be a good example of an area where
MySQL has problems. In general, though, I don't agree with much of your
assessment above.

The only "key" piece of functionality that I've heard people complain about
recently is sub-selects. If your application requires sub-selects, then yes,
MySQL isn't the database for you.

The InnoDB engine offers excellent transaction support, foreign keys, and
data recovery. If you want, you can even pay $400 for a hot-backup utility
that lets you setup MySQL replication slaves with no downtime for failover.

What's a "large amount" of data? I've succesfully used MySQL with gigabytes
of data in tables that have millions of rows. With multi-table joins. What
were you doing that ran into problems? Having appropriate hardware and
configuration is important for success.

Again, I make no claim that MySQL is perfect. It has no stored procedures,
for example. But if you're going to knock something (be it MySQL, Oracle, or
Berkeley DB), provide some specifics. Maybe you tried to use MySQL and
Oracle on similar hardware and Oracle provided better performance? Maybe
Oracle is easier to tune for a particular situation that MySQL? Maybe even
(and this is IMHO a perfectly justifiable reason to pick a technology) you
or your company has more in-house Oracle knowledge than MySQL?

What has drawn me into this thread, however, is criticisms like "It lacks
replication and other enterprise level features". This obviously false --
search on Google for "mysql replication" and the first link that pops up is
to the section of the MySQL manual about Replication.

> Some
> will argue the de-normalizing data is always the way to go anyway, but
> unless you are data warehousing there is no need to do it.  It just
> creates poor database design.  You might be able to get away with using
> MySQL on some heavier projects, but that doesn't make it the right tool
> for the job.

I'm a big fan of normalized data.

> As for your enterprise question, I classify enterprise
> level as an application (this is not limited to web applications) that
> is currently or possibly going to be under heavy load and needs to be
> distributed over multiple machines effectively.  The application needs
> to be scalable to decrease the risk of poor application performance with
> increasing loads.  As I said this is often misclassified because people
> throw the word around without cause.  Most applications don't have
> enterprise needs, which makes PHP a great choice for development.

What prevents PHP from being scaled across multiple machines and across
machines of increasing strength to accomodate application load growth?

-dave



From tanzola at rcn.com  Thu Oct 10 17:00:20 2002
From: tanzola at rcn.com (Anthony Tanzola)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:00:20 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
In-Reply-To: <200210101936.g9AJaQix056204@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <FOEEICMBOEKAAJBJHNMIOEHCCJAA.tanzola@rcn.com>

Greetings!

I have just joined the list and find this topic interesting.  I am a VB/ASP
programmer and have to this point used both in conjunction with MS SQL
Server 7 with successful results.

My company has asked me to develop an accounting package for them and once
it done using CGI or PHP and MySQL (despite the fact that we own a full
license to MS SQL Server) as they are migrating from Microsoft to Linux for
various reasons.

I have many hesitations using MySQL as a back end for an accounting program.
Access to the database will be at a maximum of 3 people at any given time,
so server load should not be too heavy.  Eventually I may have 20 people
connecting to an orders database tied in.

So my question is, aside from the small user loads and performance related
issues, is MySQL reliable for handling such critical accounting data?

Things that scare me are lack of referential integrity, lack of
transactions, backup and recovery.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Anthony



-----Original Message-----
From: Kyle Tuskey [mailto:ktuskey at exostream.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 12:36 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture


David,

MySQL lacks in quite a few areas.

1) It has poor performance under heavy loads
2) It lacks key functionality
3) Data integrity is currently a big problem
4) Large amounts of data are handled poorly
5) It lacks replication and other enterprise level features
6) Backup and recovery features could use improvement

Just use MySQL for a while and try to do anything like a join on more
than two tables.  It chokes.  Other databases are built to handle real
and heavy processing, whereas MySQL is built for smaller needs.  Some
will argue the de-normalizing data is always the way to go anyway, but
unless you are data warehousing there is no need to do it.  It just
creates poor database design.  You might be able to get away with using
MySQL on some heavier projects, but that doesn't make it the right tool
for the job.  As for your enterprise question, I classify enterprise
level as an application (this is not limited to web applications) that
is currently or possibly going to be under heavy load and needs to be
distributed over multiple machines effectively.  The application needs
to be scalable to decrease the risk of poor application performance with
increasing loads.  As I said this is often misclassified because people
throw the word around without cause.  Most applications don't have
enterprise needs, which makes PHP a great choice for development.



Kyle



-----Original Message-----
From: David Sklar [mailto:sklar at sklar.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:26 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture

> From: Kyle Tuskey [mailto:ktuskey at exostream.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 12:20 AM
>
> You can scale LAMP (minus MySQL which is barely a database) to some
> degree, but it isn't really the best way to approach it.  PHP was not
> built to be an enterprise language.  The lack of the N-Tier model
makes
> it great for most sites, but true enterprise level needs would be
better
> approached with J2EE or .Net.  Using .Net or J2EE (Java) will make the
> final solution much easier to use, manage, scale, and deploy.  Though
> the word "enterprise" is thrown around too much and often isn't used
> accurately, applications that truly are enterprise do need to take
into
> account a lot of the advantages of the N-Tier model.  PHP has XML-RPC
to
> all remote calls in a distributed architecture if I remember
correctly,
> but it isn't very efficient.  For instance, Java's RMI (Remote Method
> Invocation) implementation is much more robust for this purpose.  If
you
> must use PHP for an enterprise solution, use a strong RDBMS (MySQL is
> definitely not in this category) and some form of load balancing or
> clustering as opposed to an attempted distributed architecture w/ PHP.

So, Kyle, what is "true enterprise level," then? A billion pageviews per
month? The 800B PV/month Ophir cited at CCI works out to about
300/second,
and I presume that doesn't include images or other static objects.

Tell me, where is the point that MySQL breaks down? Traffic?
Functionality?
I admit, MySQL doesn't have, say, the World's Greatest parallel
hot-failover
technology, but I don't think anyone would classify Oracle's efforts in
this
regard in that way either.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for using the right tool for the job, and
MySQL
or PHP or Linux or Apache aren't each the right tool for every job. But
if
you're going to insist that PHP or MySQL has problems, please point out
actual problems, instead of vague assertions.

Thanks,

David









--- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---




From nyphp at altunergil.com  Thu Oct 10 17:10:04 2002
From: nyphp at altunergil.com (Oktay Altunergil)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:10:04 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
In-Reply-To: <200210102100.g9AL02ix056307@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210102100.g9AL02ix056307@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021010171004.45150bfb.nyphp@altunergil.com>

You might not know it yet, but you're very lucky :)

I'm kind of in an opposite situation right now, moving away from PHP & MySQL and towards .NET & MS SQL.

I think the question you need to ask yourself is this.

Are they really trying to migrate as much of their stuff as possible to Linux and MySQL? The reason I'm asking is this. If this accounting package will be a standalone system and not need to communicate with other systems, then you might as well do it using ASP and MS SQL. (though I would recommend using PHP anyway, regardless of the database)

If you will need several systems to talk to each other in the future and there's a trend in the company "for various reasons" to migrate to linux, then you should try to consolidate as many of your systems as possible on linux. This will make communication between the systems much easier and your SQL queries much simpler.

As for your questions about whether MySQL can do the job.. .. MySQL has a very simplistic way of doing things. This is not necessarily inferior. Backups and restores are extremely easy to do and there are multiple ways to do it. (SQL dump vs actual data files). IMO, you are all right as long as you take periodic backups and run a stable kernel on your OS. (I recall something about a data corruption issue with some kernels)

Oktay


On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:00:02 -0400
Anthony Tanzola <tanzola at rcn.com> wrote:

> Greetings!
> 
> I have just joined the list and find this topic interesting.  I am a VB/ASP
> programmer and have to this point used both in conjunction with MS SQL
> Server 7 with successful results.
> 
> My company has asked me to develop an accounting package for them and once
> it done using CGI or PHP and MySQL (despite the fact that we own a full
> license to MS SQL Server) as they are migrating from Microsoft to Linux for
> various reasons.
> 
> I have many hesitations using MySQL as a back end for an accounting program.
> Access to the database will be at a maximum of 3 people at any given time,
> so server load should not be too heavy.  Eventually I may have 20 people
> connecting to an orders database tied in.
> 
> So my question is, aside from the small user loads and performance related
> issues, is MySQL reliable for handling such critical accounting data?
> 
> Things that scare me are lack of referential integrity, lack of
> transactions, backup and recovery.
> 
> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
> 
> Anthony
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kyle Tuskey [mailto:ktuskey at exostream.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 12:36 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
> 
> 
> David,
> 
> MySQL lacks in quite a few areas.
> 
> 1) It has poor performance under heavy loads
> 2) It lacks key functionality
> 3) Data integrity is currently a big problem
> 4) Large amounts of data are handled poorly
> 5) It lacks replication and other enterprise level features
> 6) Backup and recovery features could use improvement
> 
> Just use MySQL for a while and try to do anything like a join on more
> than two tables.  It chokes.  Other databases are built to handle real
> and heavy processing, whereas MySQL is built for smaller needs.  Some
> will argue the de-normalizing data is always the way to go anyway, but
> unless you are data warehousing there is no need to do it.  It just
> creates poor database design.  You might be able to get away with using
> MySQL on some heavier projects, but that doesn't make it the right tool
> for the job.  As for your enterprise question, I classify enterprise
> level as an application (this is not limited to web applications) that
> is currently or possibly going to be under heavy load and needs to be
> distributed over multiple machines effectively.  The application needs
> to be scalable to decrease the risk of poor application performance with
> increasing loads.  As I said this is often misclassified because people
> throw the word around without cause.  Most applications don't have
> enterprise needs, which makes PHP a great choice for development.
> 
> 
> 
> Kyle
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Sklar [mailto:sklar at sklar.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:26 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
> 
> > From: Kyle Tuskey [mailto:ktuskey at exostream.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 12:20 AM
> >
> > You can scale LAMP (minus MySQL which is barely a database) to some
> > degree, but it isn't really the best way to approach it.  PHP was not
> > built to be an enterprise language.  The lack of the N-Tier model
> makes
> > it great for most sites, but true enterprise level needs would be
> better
> > approached with J2EE or .Net.  Using .Net or J2EE (Java) will make the
> > final solution much easier to use, manage, scale, and deploy.  Though
> > the word "enterprise" is thrown around too much and often isn't used
> > accurately, applications that truly are enterprise do need to take
> into
> > account a lot of the advantages of the N-Tier model.  PHP has XML-RPC
> to
> > all remote calls in a distributed architecture if I remember
> correctly,
> > but it isn't very efficient.  For instance, Java's RMI (Remote Method
> > Invocation) implementation is much more robust for this purpose.  If
> you
> > must use PHP for an enterprise solution, use a strong RDBMS (MySQL is
> > definitely not in this category) and some form of load balancing or
> > clustering as opposed to an attempted distributed architecture w/ PHP.
> 
> So, Kyle, what is "true enterprise level," then? A billion pageviews per
> month? The 800B PV/month Ophir cited at CCI works out to about
> 300/second,
> and I presume that doesn't include images or other static objects.
> 
> Tell me, where is the point that MySQL breaks down? Traffic?
> Functionality?
> I admit, MySQL doesn't have, say, the World's Greatest parallel
> hot-failover
> technology, but I don't think anyone would classify Oracle's efforts in
> this
> regard in that way either.
> 
> Don't get me wrong, I'm all for using the right tool for the job, and
> MySQL
> or PHP or Linux or Apache aren't each the right tool for every job. But
> if
> you're going to insist that PHP or MySQL has problems, please point out
> actual problems, instead of vague assertions.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> David
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
> 
> 


From sklar at sklar.com  Thu Oct 10 17:26:16 2002
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:26:16 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
In-Reply-To: <200210102100.g9AL02ix056307@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJKENBDMAA.sklar@sklar.com>

> I have many hesitations using MySQL as a back end for an
> accounting program.
> Access to the database will be at a maximum of 3 people at any given time,
> so server load should not be too heavy.  Eventually I may have 20 people
> connecting to an orders database tied in.
>
> So my question is, aside from the small user loads and performance related
> issues, is MySQL reliable for handling such critical accounting data?

Yes. If you are using more than a P133 for this load, you will be fine. (I
know that sounds sarcastic, but I'm not. It really doesn't need much
horsepower.) To ensure safe handling of the accounting data, use the InnoDB
table type so that you can use transactions and referential integrity.

> Things that scare me are lack of referential integrity, lack of
> transactions, backup and recovery.

InnoDB will handle all of this for you just fine. You probably don't need
their fancy backup utility either. What volume of data are you dealing with?
Something like this might be useful:
--> http://jeremy.zawodny.com/mysql/mysqlsnapshot/

David



From chalu at egenius.com  Thu Oct 10 18:16:13 2002
From: chalu at egenius.com (chalu)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:16:13 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
References: <200210101936.g9AJaQix056204@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DA5FC2D.8000202@egenius.com>

Kyle Tuskey wrote:

>David,
>
>MySQL lacks in quite a few areas.
>
>1) It has poor performance under heavy loads
>
Talk to different practitioners of different databases. They will come 
up with this type of heresay.  There have been side-by-side comparisons 
fo these databases. MySQL does not do badly. But then, if you want more 
enterprise DB, think PostgreSQL.

>2) It lacks key functionality
>
You mean like transaction? foreign key? hot backup? I saw someone 
mentioning INNODB.

>3) Data integrity is currently a big problem
>
>4) Large amounts of data are handled poorly
>
Usually, MYSQL is used by people with less means; no hardware 
controller, no fiber, no SAN. Hey, wait a few months. We will have iSCSI 
and sanify if MS comes up with the driver. I doubt it, though.

>5) It lacks replication and other enterprise level features
>
You give me a database which you replicated successfully.  I doubt you 
have a good example. I can prove you wrong this area.

>6) Backup and recovery features could use improvement
>  
>
Support and maintenance is usual weak point for open-source as 
developers move on.

>Just use MySQL for a while and try to do anything like a join on more
>than two tables.  It chokes.  Other databases are built to handle real
>and heavy processing, whereas MySQL is built for smaller needs.  Some
>will argue the de-normalizing data is always the way to go anyway, but
>unless you are data warehousing there is no need to do it.  It just
>creates poor database design.  You might be able to get away with using
>MySQL on some heavier projects, but that doesn't make it the right tool
>for the job.  As for your enterprise question, I classify enterprise
>level as an application (this is not limited to web applications) that
>is currently or possibly going to be under heavy load and needs to be
>distributed over multiple machines effectively.  The application needs
>to be scalable to decrease the risk of poor application performance with
>increasing loads.  As I said this is often misclassified because people
>throw the word around without cause.  Most applications don't have
>enterprise needs, which makes PHP a great choice for development.
>  
>
It sounds like you should use PG.

>
>
>Kyle
>
>
>  
>



From chalu at egenius.com  Thu Oct 10 18:24:22 2002
From: chalu at egenius.com (chalu)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:24:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
References: <200210102100.g9AL02ix056307@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DA5FE16.50203@egenius.com>


MYSQL can handle your load. Consider NOLA and it was originally 
developed for Becktel, one of the largest public construction company.

As someone mentioned, INNODB deals with some of these issues. It should 
be fine. We have done MYSQL support and PG support as well as commercial 
DBs.  It is pretty solid. Only times I saw problems are operator errors 
and having millions of rows and disk filling up.

Some web analytics engine we worked with.

Anthony Tanzola wrote:

>Greetings!
>
>I have just joined the list and find this topic interesting.  I am a VB/ASP
>programmer and have to this point used both in conjunction with MS SQL
>Server 7 with successful results.
>
>My company has asked me to develop an accounting package for them and once
>it done using CGI or PHP and MySQL (despite the fact that we own a full
>license to MS SQL Server) as they are migrating from Microsoft to Linux for
>various reasons.
>
>I have many hesitations using MySQL as a back end for an accounting program.
>Access to the database will be at a maximum of 3 people at any given time,
>so server load should not be too heavy.  Eventually I may have 20 people
>connecting to an orders database tied in.
>
>So my question is, aside from the small user loads and performance related
>issues, is MySQL reliable for handling such critical accounting data?
>
>Things that scare me are lack of referential integrity, lack of
>transactions, backup and recovery.
>
>Any thoughts would be appreciated.
>
>Anthony
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kyle Tuskey [mailto:ktuskey at exostream.com]
>Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 12:36 PM
>To: NYPHP Talk
>Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
>
>
>David,
>
>MySQL lacks in quite a few areas.
>
>1) It has poor performance under heavy loads
>2) It lacks key functionality
>3) Data integrity is currently a big problem
>4) Large amounts of data are handled poorly
>5) It lacks replication and other enterprise level features
>6) Backup and recovery features could use improvement
>
>Just use MySQL for a while and try to do anything like a join on more
>than two tables.  It chokes.  Other databases are built to handle real
>and heavy processing, whereas MySQL is built for smaller needs.  Some
>will argue the de-normalizing data is always the way to go anyway, but
>unless you are data warehousing there is no need to do it.  It just
>creates poor database design.  You might be able to get away with using
>MySQL on some heavier projects, but that doesn't make it the right tool
>for the job.  As for your enterprise question, I classify enterprise
>level as an application (this is not limited to web applications) that
>is currently or possibly going to be under heavy load and needs to be
>distributed over multiple machines effectively.  The application needs
>to be scalable to decrease the risk of poor application performance with
>increasing loads.  As I said this is often misclassified because people
>throw the word around without cause.  Most applications don't have
>enterprise needs, which makes PHP a great choice for development.
>
>
>
>Kyle
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David Sklar [mailto:sklar at sklar.com]
>Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:26 AM
>To: NYPHP Talk
>Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
>
>  
>
>>From: Kyle Tuskey [mailto:ktuskey at exostream.com]
>>Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 12:20 AM
>>
>>You can scale LAMP (minus MySQL which is barely a database) to some
>>degree, but it isn't really the best way to approach it.  PHP was not
>>built to be an enterprise language.  The lack of the N-Tier model
>>    
>>
>makes
>  
>
>>it great for most sites, but true enterprise level needs would be
>>    
>>
>better
>  
>
>>approached with J2EE or .Net.  Using .Net or J2EE (Java) will make the
>>final solution much easier to use, manage, scale, and deploy.  Though
>>the word "enterprise" is thrown around too much and often isn't used
>>accurately, applications that truly are enterprise do need to take
>>    
>>
>into
>  
>
>>account a lot of the advantages of the N-Tier model.  PHP has XML-RPC
>>    
>>
>to
>  
>
>>all remote calls in a distributed architecture if I remember
>>    
>>
>correctly,
>  
>
>>but it isn't very efficient.  For instance, Java's RMI (Remote Method
>>Invocation) implementation is much more robust for this purpose.  If
>>    
>>
>you
>  
>
>>must use PHP for an enterprise solution, use a strong RDBMS (MySQL is
>>definitely not in this category) and some form of load balancing or
>>clustering as opposed to an attempted distributed architecture w/ PHP.
>>    
>>
>
>So, Kyle, what is "true enterprise level," then? A billion pageviews per
>month? The 800B PV/month Ophir cited at CCI works out to about
>300/second,
>and I presume that doesn't include images or other static objects.
>
>Tell me, where is the point that MySQL breaks down? Traffic?
>Functionality?
>I admit, MySQL doesn't have, say, the World's Greatest parallel
>hot-failover
>technology, but I don't think anyone would classify Oracle's efforts in
>this
>regard in that way either.
>
>Don't get me wrong, I'm all for using the right tool for the job, and
>MySQL
>or PHP or Linux or Apache aren't each the right tool for every job. But
>if
>you're going to insist that PHP or MySQL has problems, please point out
>actual problems, instead of vague assertions.
>
>Thanks,
>
>David
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
>
>
>
>  
>


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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 10 18:33:02 2002
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:33:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
In-Reply-To: <200210102114.g9ALEIix056322@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021010223302.58265.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Oktay Altunergil <nyphp at altunergil.com> wrote:
> You might not know it yet, but you're very lucky :)
> 
> I'm kind of in an opposite situation right now, moving away from PHP
> & MySQL and towards .NET & MS SQL.

You'll be back :)

> I think the question you need to ask yourself is this.
> 
> Are they really trying to migrate as much of their stuff as possible
> to Linux and MySQL? The reason I'm asking is this. If this accounting
> package will be a standalone system and not need to communicate with
> other systems, then you might as well do it using ASP and MS SQL.
> (though I would recommend using PHP anyway, regardless of the
> database)
> 
> If you will need several systems to talk to each other in the future
> and there's a trend in the company "for various reasons" to migrate
> to linux, then you should try to consolidate as many of your systems
> as possible on linux. This will make communication between the
> systems much easier and your SQL queries much simpler.
> 
> As for your questions about whether MySQL can do the job.. .. MySQL
> has a very simplistic way of doing things.

Which falls inline with the UNIX adage "do one thing, and do it well."

> This is not necessarily
> inferior. Backups and restores are extremely easy to do and there are
> multiple ways to do it. (SQL dump vs actual data files). IMO, you are
> all right as long as you take periodic backups and run a stable
> kernel on your OS. (I recall something about a data corruption issue
> with some kernels)

While there were kernel issues, there are still issues with GCC.  This
is why MySQL lists it's source last, and recommends their binary
distributions, as came up in another thread.  Older/newer versions of
GCC fix this, and FreeBSD has never had any problems that I've seen.

> On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:00:02 -0400
> Anthony Tanzola <tanzola at rcn.com> wrote:
> 
> > Greetings!
> > 
> > I have just joined the list and find this topic interesting.  I am
> > a VB/ASP programmer and have to this point used both in conjunction
> > with MS SQL Server 7 with successful results.
> > 
> > My company has asked me to develop an accounting package for them
> > and once it done using CGI or PHP and MySQL (despite the fact that
> > we own a full license to MS SQL Server) as they are migrating from
> > Microsoft to Linux for various reasons.

Good :)

> > I have many hesitations using MySQL as a back end for an accounting
> > program. Access to the database will be at a maximum of 3 people at
> > any given time, so server load should not be too heavy.  Eventually
> > I may have 20 people connecting to an orders database tied in.

No problem - you won't even need persistent connections with MySQL.

> > So my question is, aside from the small user loads and performance
> > related issues, is MySQL reliable for handling such critical
> > accounting data?

It has been with us, with far more than 20 users.

> > Things that scare me are lack of referential integrity, lack of
> > transactions, backup and recovery.

These are not lacking at all.  It all depends on implementation.  I'm
of the idealogy that DBs are for storing data, and that programming
languages are for everything else.  While MySQL does lack some SQL
bells and whistles (which are being addressed in the
not-too-distant-future), it's a different beast than the Oracles and
DB2s of the world.

MySQL is designed for fast and effeceint access and simple maintenance
- as I noted in one of the AMP Intro presentations, a "SQL-enabled
filesystem."  That said, it is used in many large/"enterprise"
situations, with great success:

http://www.mysql.com/press/user_stories/index.html

The yahoo finance story is very interesting, and Jeremy is an asset for
tuning and tips.

So what does thousands of dollars for Oracle/etc get you?

1) Someone to blame, besides your self, when it breaks. ("Hey, I'm
using Oracle, it's not my fault").

2) From a techical standpoint, Oracle is very forgiving.  Bad
applications and implementations can be written, and if given enough
hardware/money, they will run.  Not so with MySQL.

3) MySQL depends on good design, implementation, and in the end,
thought.

4) Most importantly:  When you pay the money for Oracle, you're buying
what boils down to thought.  When you download MySQL for nothing, it's
up to you to do it right.

I've seen Oracle die on 200 connections, and MySQL hum on gigabytes of
data.  And MySQL die with a crazy join and Oracle squeak by with enough
RAM.

They're different animals, better suited for different applications,
but most of the work I've seen, can be done on MySQL with proper
design.  Lastly, don't forget that Oracle has had billions of dollars
and millions of man-hours dedicated to it - MySQL is the new kid on the
block.

H



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New York PHP
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From LarryC at indexstock.com  Thu Oct 10 18:37:59 2002
From: LarryC at indexstock.com (Larry Chuon)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:37:59 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
Message-ID: <86713EAB93BD5F40B94A0C8E604C7C91AEB6FA@index-exchange.indexstock.com>

Anthony,

How far have you gotten with your development process on the accounting
program?  My team did a lot of works on NOLA (web-based accounting or ERP).
If you want, you can take our newly modified version and see if it suite
your environment.  It's an open-source app.  We might be to co-develop some
new functionality for free.  Let me know if you're interested.

Larry


-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Tanzola [mailto:tanzola at rcn.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 5:00 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture

Greetings!

I have just joined the list and find this topic interesting.  I am a VB/ASP
programmer and have to this point used both in conjunction with MS SQL
Server 7 with successful results.

My company has asked me to develop an accounting package for them and once
it done using CGI or PHP and MySQL (despite the fact that we own a full
license to MS SQL Server) as they are migrating from Microsoft to Linux for
various reasons.

I have many hesitations using MySQL as a back end for an accounting program.
Access to the database will be at a maximum of 3 people at any given time,
so server load should not be too heavy.  Eventually I may have 20 people
connecting to an orders database tied in.

So my question is, aside from the small user loads and performance related
issues, is MySQL reliable for handling such critical accounting data?

Things that scare me are lack of referential integrity, lack of
transactions, backup and recovery.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Anthony



-----Original Message-----
From: Kyle Tuskey [mailto:ktuskey at exostream.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 12:36 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture


David,

MySQL lacks in quite a few areas.

1) It has poor performance under heavy loads
2) It lacks key functionality
3) Data integrity is currently a big problem
4) Large amounts of data are handled poorly
5) It lacks replication and other enterprise level features
6) Backup and recovery features could use improvement

Just use MySQL for a while and try to do anything like a join on more
than two tables.  It chokes.  Other databases are built to handle real
and heavy processing, whereas MySQL is built for smaller needs.  Some
will argue the de-normalizing data is always the way to go anyway, but
unless you are data warehousing there is no need to do it.  It just
creates poor database design.  You might be able to get away with using
MySQL on some heavier projects, but that doesn't make it the right tool
for the job.  As for your enterprise question, I classify enterprise
level as an application (this is not limited to web applications) that
is currently or possibly going to be under heavy load and needs to be
distributed over multiple machines effectively.  The application needs
to be scalable to decrease the risk of poor application performance with
increasing loads.  As I said this is often misclassified because people
throw the word around without cause.  Most applications don't have
enterprise needs, which makes PHP a great choice for development.



Kyle



-----Original Message-----
From: David Sklar [mailto:sklar at sklar.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:26 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture

> From: Kyle Tuskey [mailto:ktuskey at exostream.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 12:20 AM
>
> You can scale LAMP (minus MySQL which is barely a database) to some
> degree, but it isn't really the best way to approach it.  PHP was not
> built to be an enterprise language.  The lack of the N-Tier model
makes
> it great for most sites, but true enterprise level needs would be
better
> approached with J2EE or .Net.  Using .Net or J2EE (Java) will make the
> final solution much easier to use, manage, scale, and deploy.  Though
> the word "enterprise" is thrown around too much and often isn't used
> accurately, applications that truly are enterprise do need to take
into
> account a lot of the advantages of the N-Tier model.  PHP has XML-RPC
to
> all remote calls in a distributed architecture if I remember
correctly,
> but it isn't very efficient.  For instance, Java's RMI (Remote Method
> Invocation) implementation is much more robust for this purpose.  If
you
> must use PHP for an enterprise solution, use a strong RDBMS (MySQL is
> definitely not in this category) and some form of load balancing or
> clustering as opposed to an attempted distributed architecture w/ PHP.

So, Kyle, what is "true enterprise level," then? A billion pageviews per
month? The 800B PV/month Ophir cited at CCI works out to about
300/second,
and I presume that doesn't include images or other static objects.

Tell me, where is the point that MySQL breaks down? Traffic?
Functionality?
I admit, MySQL doesn't have, say, the World's Greatest parallel
hot-failover
technology, but I don't think anyone would classify Oracle's efforts in
this
regard in that way either.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for using the right tool for the job, and
MySQL
or PHP or Linux or Apache aren't each the right tool for every job. But
if
you're going to insist that PHP or MySQL has problems, please point out
actual problems, instead of vague assertions.

Thanks,

David














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From prutwo at onebox.com  Thu Oct 10 19:10:39 2002
From: prutwo at onebox.com (Ophir Prusak)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 19:10:39 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
References: <200210101936.g9AJaQix056204@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <0b5a01c270b2$3f8ab620$bf65a8c0@tag1002>

You should read the database showdown article in eweek:
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,293,00.asp

In a recent database (feb 2002) benchmark test performed by Ziff Davis Media
Inc., the company behind PC Magazine, eWeek and other well-known
publications, MySQL stands out as a winner. MySQL is presented as having the
overall best performance and scalability along with Oracle9i. Also, MySQL
excelled in stability, ease of tuning and connectivity. Considering pricing
and ease of use, this further strengthens MySQL as being the database server
of choice for price-efficient, high-performance web use.

The databases tested were: DB2 7.2, MS SQL Server 2000, MySQL-Max 4.0.1,
Oracle9i 9.0.1.1.1 and Sybase ASE 12.5.0.1.

Read more about the benchmark test in eWeek:

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,293,00.asp


----- Original Message -----

From: "Kyle Tuskey" <ktuskey at exostream.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:36 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture


> David,
>
> MySQL lacks in quite a few areas.
>
> 1) It has poor performance under heavy loads
> 2) It lacks key functionality
> 3) Data integrity is currently a big problem
> 4) Large amounts of data are handled poorly
> 5) It lacks replication and other enterprise level features
> 6) Backup and recovery features could use improvement
>
> Just use MySQL for a while and try to do anything like a join on more
> than two tables.  It chokes.  Other databases are built to handle real
> and heavy processing, whereas MySQL is built for smaller needs.  Some
> will argue the de-normalizing data is always the way to go anyway, but
> unless you are data warehousing there is no need to do it.  It just
> creates poor database design.  You might be able to get away with using
> MySQL on some heavier projects, but that doesn't make it the right tool
> for the job.  As for your enterprise question, I classify enterprise
> level as an application (this is not limited to web applications) that
> is currently or possibly going to be under heavy load and needs to be
> distributed over multiple machines effectively.  The application needs
> to be scalable to decrease the risk of poor application performance with
> increasing loads.  As I said this is often misclassified because people
> throw the word around without cause.  Most applications don't have
> enterprise needs, which makes PHP a great choice for development.
>
>
>
> Kyle
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Sklar [mailto:sklar at sklar.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:26 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
>
> > From: Kyle Tuskey [mailto:ktuskey at exostream.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 12:20 AM
> >
> > You can scale LAMP (minus MySQL which is barely a database) to some
> > degree, but it isn't really the best way to approach it.  PHP was not
> > built to be an enterprise language.  The lack of the N-Tier model
> makes
> > it great for most sites, but true enterprise level needs would be
> better
> > approached with J2EE or .Net.  Using .Net or J2EE (Java) will make the
> > final solution much easier to use, manage, scale, and deploy.  Though
> > the word "enterprise" is thrown around too much and often isn't used
> > accurately, applications that truly are enterprise do need to take
> into
> > account a lot of the advantages of the N-Tier model.  PHP has XML-RPC
> to
> > all remote calls in a distributed architecture if I remember
> correctly,
> > but it isn't very efficient.  For instance, Java's RMI (Remote Method
> > Invocation) implementation is much more robust for this purpose.  If
> you
> > must use PHP for an enterprise solution, use a strong RDBMS (MySQL is
> > definitely not in this category) and some form of load balancing or
> > clustering as opposed to an attempted distributed architecture w/ PHP.
>
> So, Kyle, what is "true enterprise level," then? A billion pageviews per
> month? The 800B PV/month Ophir cited at CCI works out to about
> 300/second,
> and I presume that doesn't include images or other static objects.
>
> Tell me, where is the point that MySQL breaks down? Traffic?
> Functionality?
> I admit, MySQL doesn't have, say, the World's Greatest parallel
> hot-failover
> technology, but I don't think anyone would classify Oracle's efforts in
> this
> regard in that way either.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I'm all for using the right tool for the job, and
> MySQL
> or PHP or Linux or Apache aren't each the right tool for every job. But
> if
> you're going to insist that PHP or MySQL has problems, please point out
> actual problems, instead of vague assertions.
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
>
>
>
>




From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Thu Oct 10 23:36:15 2002
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:36:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
References: <200210102312.g9ANCLix056531@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DA6472F.3020101@jonbaer.net>

Ophir Prusak wrote:

>You should read the database showdown article in eweek:
>http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,293,00.asp
>
>
>  
>
The main point to note here (which Ive seen noted a few times) is this:

<snip>

MySQL's great performance was due mostly to our use of an in-memory 
query results cache that is new in MySQL 4.0.1. When we tested without 
this cache, MySQL's performance fell by two-thirds.

</snip>

I have not myself used this cache but from people who have I heard it 
makes or breaks the product :-\\

- Jon



From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Fri Oct 11 00:34:52 2002
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:34:52 -0400
Subject: MySQL cookbook out yet?
References: <200210020106.g9216q4M014618@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DA654EC.3090409@jonbaer.net>

Hi,

Anyone know if this book is available yet and if anyone has read it? 
 Reviews?

http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/mysqlckbk/

Thanks.

- Jon



From brian at preston-campbell.com  Fri Oct 11 07:35:12 2002
From: brian at preston-campbell.com (Preston-Campbell)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 07:35:12 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL cookbook out yet?
References: <200210110441.g9B4fCix057087@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000201c2711c$72b85060$7d71fea9@brian>

Although http://www.Bookpool.com is vague about its release (simply October
2002) the price is right as usual and they offer to ship it when it arrives.
You could email Bookpool or even O'rielly, they might know when that will
be.

Brian



----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Baer" <jonbaer at jonbaer.net>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 12:41 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL cookbook out yet?


> Hi,
>
> Anyone know if this book is available yet and if anyone has read it?
>  Reviews?
>
> http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/mysqlckbk/
>
> Thanks.
>
> - Jon
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
>
>
>




From nyphp at gwprogramming.com  Fri Oct 11 09:27:00 2002
From: nyphp at gwprogramming.com (George Webb)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:27:00 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHPCon2002 - Register before 10/11 and save $100
Message-ID: <3DA6D1A4.A7A2212A@gwprogramming.com>

Good Friday!

	Just a quick reminder that you might want to Save $100!

	I am actually very psyched for this thing.  I actually
got my generous company (Vermont Teddy Bear Co.) to send me out
there, although I'm paying for the hotel and "incidentals," and
I may not bring a friend.

	The Hotel said even the cheap rooms ("Cabana Deck"; $69)
have internet access; don't know what that means yet, but 24-hour
fun seems likely!

	Also the travel company is making me stay till Sunday; I
have no idea why, and I am not complaining.

	Somehow it would be nice to figure out beforehand, who
else is as juiced as I am to go to this thing!


Best, George.

George Webb
nyphp at gwprogramming.com
(802) 283-4352


From zala007 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 11 11:23:00 2002
From: zala007 at hotmail.com (Anirudh Zala)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 15:23:00 +0000
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
Message-ID: <F265zSk2elC4GpACszp000071ae@hotmail.com>

Hi all :)

Thank you for all of yours opinions and suggestions. All have given better 
solution for this problem as they could, and we know this problem can have 
many solutions, and finally depends upon person or company who is going to 
use and in which manner bcoz as it question of $ too J

some of you have suggested using LAMP, or LAOP or LAPgP or .NeT or j2EE and 
many more but still problem remains same. What's correct definition of 
"Scalable" system or architecture?

Well if it's just question of having such a system which can run with same 
speed and efficiency even when total hits increase from 1000 to 1 million, 
or having all above advantages plus having all enterprise features. etc then 
here we r mistaking all. There is no any solution, which can provide all of 
these advantages simultaneously and in which way we need.

So we have to find better rather than best. Here my suggestion is whatever 
tech. is used, it must be able to satisfy the owner and those who r going to 
use. Here "Satisfy" is in general terms, so whatever u think would be ok..

So main thing is not to talk advantages and disadvantage of any existing 
tech. likes comparison btwn MySql and Oracle or PHP and jSp or MsSql vs. 
PgSql or whatever, instead we need to think in diff direction like using 
concept of SDDS
Scalable Distributed Database Server and/or Multiprocessing where client 
requests are divided into small parts or are redirected to other servers or 
processor  thus keeping main server or processor less burdened.

In SDDS, Data and Files are kept on several machines rather than same server 
or 2 servers (i mean many companies use db server and scripting/file server 
as separate to get better output and faster execution). This tech is also 
known as
Client-Agent-Server tech. where u can say there is 1 main server where all 
data is kept and at second level there comes Agents machines/servers 
interacts btwn main server and client. All client servers has replica of 
main servers DB but in diff parts not as whole db so like 4 servers with 25% 
and almost all clients queries are first directed to this Agents only and 
replied/executed by these 4 servers and if needed they are redirected to 
main server and finally records btwn main server and agent servers are 
updated.

This is similar like concept of cache servers in Oracle and Java but this is 
bit new and different. The main diff is all Agent servers acts like as they 
are main servers so at client end u never know where your request is being 
redirected or which server your data is coming from?

This is like a concept of having chain store where u have McDonald's fast 
food available at New York, Syracuse and Seattle rather than all have to go 
to New York only whether u live in Syracuse or Seattle. I hope u all r 
getting what I mean.

So main point is whatever tech (Db, Scripting lang, Servers OS u use) your 
software must have Strong RDBMS, Proper coding style, Robust architecture 
maybe using SDDS tech. an other normal stuffs.

These concept can give u satisfactory solutions, otherwise there is no such 
tech. in this world which can give u all at once without having Distributed 
Database and/or multiprocessing. Also PHP guys will say PHP is best, ASP 
will say ASP is the best bcoz it has these facilities, same with DB and OS, 
ok ok we need to think in diff direction and develop something new using 
existing tech :) not just adhering to existing tools.

Thanks All,

Anirudh Zala
(Globalwebwise INDIA)


>From: "Ophir Prusak" <prutwo at onebox.com>
>Reply-To: talk at nyphp.org
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>I'd like to clear up some potential confusion about the term "scalable".
>See http://labs.google.com/glossary?q=scalable for some pretty good
>definitions.
>While we all agree (hopefully) about what scalable means, I think we're
>talking about two different things that we're trying to scale.
>You can talk about scalability of a web site in regards to:
>1. Traffic and users - meaning if we get 100 times the traffic can we 
>simply
>add 100 times the hardware without the need make any significant changes to
>the code/architecture.
>2. Application complexity - meaning if we want to add more functionality to
>the site, can we do so without making significant changes to the existing
>code/architecture.
>
>While I think it's obvious that LAP scale quite well in regards to traffic
>(CCI proves this), I do agree that in regards to application complexity,
>there are better solutions than PHP (though much more $$$$ to use and
>probably slower)
>
>My 2 cents.
>
>Ophir
>
>p.s.
>Regarding MySQL breaking down, I do believe the problem was with
>connections, not speed.
>It just didn't hold up when trying to keep a few thousand simultaneous
>connections to the MySQL server.
>Oracle amazingly seems to do ok. It might slow down, but it doesn't
>crash/die/freeze.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "David Sklar" <sklar at sklar.com>
>To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
>Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:26 AM
>Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
>
>
> > > From: Kyle Tuskey [mailto:ktuskey at exostream.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 12:20 AM
> > >
> > > You can scale LAMP (minus MySQL which is barely a database) to some
> > > degree, but it isn't really the best way to approach it.  PHP was not
> > > built to be an enterprise language.  The lack of the N-Tier model 
>makes
> > > it great for most sites, but true enterprise level needs would be 
>better
> > > approached with J2EE or .Net.  Using .Net or J2EE (Java) will make the
> > > final solution much easier to use, manage, scale, and deploy.  Though
> > > the word "enterprise" is thrown around too much and often isn't used
> > > accurately, applications that truly are enterprise do need to take 
>into
> > > account a lot of the advantages of the N-Tier model.  PHP has XML-RPC 
>to
> > > all remote calls in a distributed architecture if I remember 
>correctly,
> > > but it isn't very efficient.  For instance, Java's RMI (Remote Method
> > > Invocation) implementation is much more robust for this purpose.  If 
>you
> > > must use PHP for an enterprise solution, use a strong RDBMS (MySQL is
> > > definitely not in this category) and some form of load balancing or
> > > clustering as opposed to an attempted distributed architecture w/ PHP.
> >
> > So, Kyle, what is "true enterprise level," then? A billion pageviews per
> > month? The 800B PV/month Ophir cited at CCI works out to about 
>300/second,
> > and I presume that doesn't include images or other static objects.
> >
> > Tell me, where is the point that MySQL breaks down? Traffic?
>Functionality?
> > I admit, MySQL doesn't have, say, the World's Greatest parallel
>hot-failover
> > technology, but I don't think anyone would classify Oracle's efforts in
>this
> > regard in that way either.
> >
> > Don't get me wrong, I'm all for using the right tool for the job, and
>MySQL
> > or PHP or Linux or Apache aren't each the right tool for every job. But 
>if
> > you're going to insist that PHP or MySQL has problems, please point out
> > actual problems, instead of vague assertions.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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From chalu at egenius.com  Fri Oct 11 12:15:04 2002
From: chalu at egenius.com (chalu)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:15:04 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
References: <200210111523.g9BFN5WM058105@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DA6F908.5090002@egenius.com>

I think you are hitting close to the basic point of "scalable".

Lot of folks worry about "scalabe" because you may not have the 
experience of making your system scalable. Having designed many of 
"scalable" systems and lived with them, there are a lot of assumptions 
one makes. Fail-over and redundant design.... Replication.. 2-tier vs 
4-tier. What is different about 4-tier vs SDDS? Just different jargon. 
Lot of developers would throw lot of these technologies without having 
configured themselves. Having a hot-failover system configured is very 
elaborate. You need to worry about things as basic as ARP table and 
configuring multipath RAID subsystem. Lot of things have gotten easier 
over the years. But I still see many MCSE walking around with a clue of 
how to use ARP.  I have seen only few "scalable" systems over the years 
serving the business owners. It is often "tail wagging the dog" as in we 
tend to use technology as an escape hatch.

I remember seeing architectures of the world's busiest sites and the 
biggest e-commerce sites. Then, I remember being impressed of 
master-slave database servers. Absolutely the textbook case from 
Microsoft land! Over the years, my longview reveals gigantic mistakes of 
these architectures. Techies' idea of "scalable" does not scale business 
or the use.

Nowadays, I am impressed by those architectures balancing different 
objectives such as speed, flexibility and good common-sense of making 
usable systems.

One of the folks mentioned "communityconnect". Here is a good example of 
people who scaled to large traffic. For example, think of problem having 
to serve so many images including resolving multiple includes of banners 
from different web-sites.  It is normal to gain most speed improvement 
from programming practices like improving your database design and using 
index tables.

A well know moutain climber said, "It is not the equipment, it is how 
you use it.".....  If you can scale ASP and MS SQL and run some large 
sites, you can do it with PHP and MySQL. ditto.

Anirudh Zala wrote:

>Hi all :)
>
>Thank you for all of yours opinions and suggestions. All have given better 
>solution for this problem as they could, and we know this problem can have 
>many solutions, and finally depends upon person or company who is going to 
>use and in which manner bcoz as it question of $ too J
>
>some of you have suggested using LAMP, or LAOP or LAPgP or .NeT or j2EE and 
>many more but still problem remains same. What's correct definition of 
>"Scalable" system or architecture?
>
>Well if it's just question of having such a system which can run with same 
>speed and efficiency even when total hits increase from 1000 to 1 million, 
>or having all above advantages plus having all enterprise features. etc then 
>here we r mistaking all. There is no any solution, which can provide all of 
>these advantages simultaneously and in which way we need.
>
>So we have to find better rather than best. Here my suggestion is whatever 
>tech. is used, it must be able to satisfy the owner and those who r going to 
>use. Here "Satisfy" is in general terms, so whatever u think would be ok..
>
>So main thing is not to talk advantages and disadvantage of any existing 
>tech. likes comparison btwn MySql and Oracle or PHP and jSp or MsSql vs. 
>PgSql or whatever, instead we need to think in diff direction like using 
>concept of SDDS
>Scalable Distributed Database Server and/or Multiprocessing where client 
>requests are divided into small parts or are redirected to other servers or 
>processor  thus keeping main server or processor less burdened.
>
>In SDDS, Data and Files are kept on several machines rather than same server 
>or 2 servers (i mean many companies use db server and scripting/file server 
>as separate to get better output and faster execution). This tech is also 
>known as
>Client-Agent-Server tech. where u can say there is 1 main server where all 
>data is kept and at second level there comes Agents machines/servers 
>interacts btwn main server and client. All client servers has replica of 
>main servers DB but in diff parts not as whole db so like 4 servers with 25% 
>and almost all clients queries are first directed to this Agents only and 
>replied/executed by these 4 servers and if needed they are redirected to 
>main server and finally records btwn main server and agent servers are 
>updated.
>
>This is similar like concept of cache servers in Oracle and Java but this is 
>bit new and different. The main diff is all Agent servers acts like as they 
>are main servers so at client end u never know where your request is being 
>redirected or which server your data is coming from?
>
>This is like a concept of having chain store where u have McDonald's fast 
>food available at New York, Syracuse and Seattle rather than all have to go 
>to New York only whether u live in Syracuse or Seattle. I hope u all r 
>getting what I mean.
>
>So main point is whatever tech (Db, Scripting lang, Servers OS u use) your 
>software must have Strong RDBMS, Proper coding style, Robust architecture 
>maybe using SDDS tech. an other normal stuffs.
>
>These concept can give u satisfactory solutions, otherwise there is no such 
>tech. in this world which can give u all at once without having Distributed 
>Database and/or multiprocessing. Also PHP guys will say PHP is best, ASP 
>will say ASP is the best bcoz it has these facilities, same with DB and OS, 
>ok ok we need to think in diff direction and develop something new using 
>existing tech :) not just adhering to existing tools.
>
>Thanks All,
>
>Anirudh Zala
>(Globalwebwise INDIA)
>
>
>  
>
>>From: "Ophir Prusak" <prutwo at onebox.com>
>>Reply-To: talk at nyphp.org
>>To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
>>Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
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>>I'd like to clear up some potential confusion about the term "scalable".
>>See http://labs.google.com/glossary?q=scalable for some pretty good
>>definitions.
>>While we all agree (hopefully) about what scalable means, I think we're
>>talking about two different things that we're trying to scale.
>>You can talk about scalability of a web site in regards to:
>>1. Traffic and users - meaning if we get 100 times the traffic can we 
>>simply
>>add 100 times the hardware without the need make any significant changes to
>>the code/architecture.
>>2. Application complexity - meaning if we want to add more functionality to
>>the site, can we do so without making significant changes to the existing
>>code/architecture.
>>
>>While I think it's obvious that LAP scale quite well in regards to traffic
>>(CCI proves this), I do agree that in regards to application complexity,
>>there are better solutions than PHP (though much more $$$$ to use and
>>probably slower)
>>
>>My 2 cents.
>>
>>Ophir
>>
>>p.s.
>>Regarding MySQL breaking down, I do believe the problem was with
>>connections, not speed.
>>It just didn't hold up when trying to keep a few thousand simultaneous
>>connections to the MySQL server.
>>Oracle amazingly seems to do ok. It might slow down, but it doesn't
>>crash/die/freeze.
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "David Sklar" <sklar at sklar.com>
>>To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
>>Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:26 AM
>>Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>>From: Kyle Tuskey [mailto:ktuskey at exostream.com]
>>>>Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 12:20 AM
>>>>
>>>>You can scale LAMP (minus MySQL which is barely a database) to some
>>>>degree, but it isn't really the best way to approach it.  PHP was not
>>>>built to be an enterprise language.  The lack of the N-Tier model 
>>>>        
>>>>
>>makes
>>    
>>
>>>>it great for most sites, but true enterprise level needs would be 
>>>>        
>>>>
>>better
>>    
>>
>>>>approached with J2EE or .Net.  Using .Net or J2EE (Java) will make the
>>>>final solution much easier to use, manage, scale, and deploy.  Though
>>>>the word "enterprise" is thrown around too much and often isn't used
>>>>accurately, applications that truly are enterprise do need to take 
>>>>        
>>>>
>>into
>>    
>>
>>>>account a lot of the advantages of the N-Tier model.  PHP has XML-RPC 
>>>>        
>>>>
>>to
>>    
>>
>>>>all remote calls in a distributed architecture if I remember 
>>>>        
>>>>
>>correctly,
>>    
>>
>>>>but it isn't very efficient.  For instance, Java's RMI (Remote Method
>>>>Invocation) implementation is much more robust for this purpose.  If 
>>>>        
>>>>
>>you
>>    
>>
>>>>must use PHP for an enterprise solution, use a strong RDBMS (MySQL is
>>>>definitely not in this category) and some form of load balancing or
>>>>clustering as opposed to an attempted distributed architecture w/ PHP.
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>So, Kyle, what is "true enterprise level," then? A billion pageviews per
>>>month? The 800B PV/month Ophir cited at CCI works out to about 
>>>      
>>>
>>300/second,
>>    
>>
>>>and I presume that doesn't include images or other static objects.
>>>
>>>Tell me, where is the point that MySQL breaks down? Traffic?
>>>      
>>>
>>Functionality?
>>    
>>
>>>I admit, MySQL doesn't have, say, the World's Greatest parallel
>>>      
>>>
>>hot-failover
>>    
>>
>>>technology, but I don't think anyone would classify Oracle's efforts in
>>>      
>>>
>>this
>>    
>>
>>>regard in that way either.
>>>
>>>Don't get me wrong, I'm all for using the right tool for the job, and
>>>      
>>>
>>MySQL
>>    
>>
>>>or PHP or Linux or Apache aren't each the right tool for every job. But 
>>>      
>>>
>>if
>>    
>>
>>>you're going to insist that PHP or MySQL has problems, please point out
>>>actual problems, instead of vague assertions.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>David
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 11 12:26:39 2002
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:26:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
In-Reply-To: <200210111523.g9BFN5WM058105@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021011162639.17596.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com>


Hi Anirudh,


--- Anirudh Zala <zala007 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> In SDDS, Data and Files are kept on several machines rather than same
> server or 2 servers (i mean many companies use db server and
> scripting/file server  as separate to get better output and faster
> execution). This tech is also  known as Client-Agent-Server tech.
> here u can say there is 1 main server where all data is kept and at
> second level there comes Agents machines/servers interacts btwn main
> server and client. All client servers has replica of  main servers DB
> but in diff parts not as whole db so like 4 servers with 25% and
> almost all clients queries are first directed to this Agents only and
> replied/executed by these 4 servers and if needed they are redirected
> to main server and finally records btwn main server and agent servers
> are updated.
> 
> This is similar like concept of cache servers in Oracle and Java but
> this is bit new and different. The main diff is all Agent servers
> acts like as they are main servers so at client end u never know
> where your request is being redirected or which server your data is
> coming from?

This is a very effective way to handle large quantities of traffic, and
is needed with any DB/language/server/OS.  While Oracle supports a lot
of this as a shrink-wrapped package, there are limitations, and of
course price.  I've seen very effective implementations using
replication/MySQL/round-robin, and with a cost of only the hardware.  I
think most sites would be hard-pressed to saturate even two Pentium-4
MySQL servers with proper DB design. And scalability? Buy another
server and add an A record to your DNS.

> This is like a concept of having chain store where u have McDonald's
> fast food available at New York, Syracuse and Seattle rather than all
> have to go to New York only whether u live in Syracuse or Seattle. I
> hope u all r getting what I mean.

But there's nothing like a NY Big Mac  :)

> So main point is whatever tech (Db, Scripting lang, Servers OS u use)
> your software must have Strong RDBMS, Proper coding style, Robust
> architecture maybe using SDDS tech. an other normal stuffs.
> These concept can give u satisfactory solutions, otherwise there is
> no such tech. in this world which can give u all at once without
> having Distributed Database and/or multiprocessing. Also PHP guys
> will say PHP is best, ASP will say ASP is the best bcoz it has these
> facilities, same with DB and OS,

> ok ok we need to think in diff
> direction and develop something new using existing tech :) not just
> adhering to existing tools. 

Couldn't agree more,

H


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From ejp at well.com  Fri Oct 11 14:24:10 2002
From: ejp at well.com (Edward Potter)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:24:10 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
In-Reply-To: <200210111523.g9BFN5WM058105@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <A3671F4E-DD46-11D6-8B3B-00039398609A@well.com>

I think you can buy a pallete of Compaq's on eBay for probably next to 
nothing. Make a cluster + php +oracle or postgres, et al. That would be 
the cheap and easy way to do it. But if you have venture capital, you 
can wow them for months with whiteboards, arcane technical details, J2EE 
enterprise models, etc and stay on the payroll much longer!

-- ed


On Friday, October 11, 2002, at 11:23 AM, Anirudh Zala wrote:

> Hi all :)
>
> Thank you for all of yours opinions and suggestions. All have given 
> better
> solution for this problem as they could, and we know this problem can 
> have
> many solutions, and finally depends upon person or company who is going 
> to
> use and in which manner bcoz as it question of $ too J
>
> some of you have suggested using LAMP, or LAOP or LAPgP or .NeT or j2EE 
> and
> many more but still problem remains same. What's correct definition of
> "Scalable" system or architecture?
>
> Well if it's just question of having such a system which can run with 
> same
> speed and efficiency even when total hits increase from 1000 to 1 
> million,
> or having all above advantages plus having all enterprise features. etc 
> then
> here we r mistaking all. There is no any solution, which can provide 
> all of
> these advantages simultaneously and in which way we need.
>
> So we have to find better rather than best. Here my suggestion is 
> whatever
> tech. is used, it must be able to satisfy the owner and those who r 
> going to
> use. Here "Satisfy" is in general terms, so whatever u think would be 
> ok..
>
> So main thing is not to talk advantages and disadvantage of any existing
> tech. likes comparison btwn MySql and Oracle or PHP and jSp or MsSql vs.
> PgSql or whatever, instead we need to think in diff direction like using
> concept of SDDS
> Scalable Distributed Database Server and/or Multiprocessing where client
> requests are divided into small parts or are redirected to other 
> servers or
> processor  thus keeping main server or processor less burdened.
>
> In SDDS, Data and Files are kept on several machines rather than same 
> server
> or 2 servers (i mean many companies use db server and scripting/file 
> server
> as separate to get better output and faster execution). This tech is 
> also
> known as
> Client-Agent-Server tech. where u can say there is 1 main server where 
> all
> data is kept and at second level there comes Agents machines/servers
> interacts btwn main server and client. All client servers has replica of
> main servers DB but in diff parts not as whole db so like 4 servers 
> with 25%
> and almost all clients queries are first directed to this Agents only 
> and
> replied/executed by these 4 servers and if needed they are redirected to
> main server and finally records btwn main server and agent servers are
> updated.
>
> This is similar like concept of cache servers in Oracle and Java but 
> this is
> bit new and different. The main diff is all Agent servers acts like as 
> they
> are main servers so at client end u never know where your request is 
> being
> redirected or which server your data is coming from?
>
> This is like a concept of having chain store where u have McDonald's 
> fast
> food available at New York, Syracuse and Seattle rather than all have 
> to go
> to New York only whether u live in Syracuse or Seattle. I hope u all r
> getting what I mean.
>
> So main point is whatever tech (Db, Scripting lang, Servers OS u use) 
> your
> software must have Strong RDBMS, Proper coding style, Robust 
> architecture
> maybe using SDDS tech. an other normal stuffs.
>
> These concept can give u satisfactory solutions, otherwise there is no 
> such
> tech. in this world which can give u all at once without having 
> Distributed
> Database and/or multiprocessing. Also PHP guys will say PHP is best, ASP
> will say ASP is the best bcoz it has these facilities, same with DB and 
> OS,
> ok ok we need to think in diff direction and develop something new using
> existing tech :) not just adhering to existing tools.
>
> Thanks All,
>
> Anirudh Zala
> (Globalwebwise INDIA)
>
>
>> From: "Ophir Prusak" <prutwo at onebox.com>
>> Reply-To: talk at nyphp.org
>> To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
>> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:06:11 -0400
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>> I'd like to clear up some potential confusion about the term 
>> "scalable".
>> See http://labs.google.com/glossary?q=scalable for some pretty good
>> definitions.
>> While we all agree (hopefully) about what scalable means, I think we're
>> talking about two different things that we're trying to scale.
>> You can talk about scalability of a web site in regards to:
>> 1. Traffic and users - meaning if we get 100 times the traffic can we
>> simply
>> add 100 times the hardware without the need make any significant 
>> changes to
>> the code/architecture.
>> 2. Application complexity - meaning if we want to add more 
>> functionality to
>> the site, can we do so without making significant changes to the 
>> existing
>> code/architecture.
>>
>> While I think it's obvious that LAP scale quite well in regards to 
>> traffic
>> (CCI proves this), I do agree that in regards to application 
>> complexity,
>> there are better solutions than PHP (though much more $$$$ to use and
>> probably slower)
>>
>> My 2 cents.
>>
>> Ophir
>>
>> p.s.
>> Regarding MySQL breaking down, I do believe the problem was with
>> connections, not speed.
>> It just didn't hold up when trying to keep a few thousand simultaneous
>> connections to the MySQL server.
>> Oracle amazingly seems to do ok. It might slow down, but it doesn't
>> crash/die/freeze.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Sklar" <sklar at sklar.com>
>> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:26 AM
>> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
>>
>>
>>>> From: Kyle Tuskey [mailto:ktuskey at exostream.com]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 12:20 AM
>>>>
>>>> You can scale LAMP (minus MySQL which is barely a database) to some
>>>> degree, but it isn't really the best way to approach it.  PHP was not
>>>> built to be an enterprise language.  The lack of the N-Tier model
>> makes
>>>> it great for most sites, but true enterprise level needs would be
>> better
>>>> approached with J2EE or .Net.  Using .Net or J2EE (Java) will make 
>>>> the
>>>> final solution much easier to use, manage, scale, and deploy.  Though
>>>> the word "enterprise" is thrown around too much and often isn't used
>>>> accurately, applications that truly are enterprise do need to take
>> into
>>>> account a lot of the advantages of the N-Tier model.  PHP has XML-RPC
>> to
>>>> all remote calls in a distributed architecture if I remember
>> correctly,
>>>> but it isn't very efficient.  For instance, Java's RMI (Remote Method
>>>> Invocation) implementation is much more robust for this purpose.  If
>> you
>>>> must use PHP for an enterprise solution, use a strong RDBMS (MySQL is
>>>> definitely not in this category) and some form of load balancing or
>>>> clustering as opposed to an attempted distributed architecture w/ 
>>>> PHP.
>>>
>>> So, Kyle, what is "true enterprise level," then? A billion pageviews 
>>> per
>>> month? The 800B PV/month Ophir cited at CCI works out to about
>> 300/second,
>>> and I presume that doesn't include images or other static objects.
>>>
>>> Tell me, where is the point that MySQL breaks down? Traffic?
>> Functionality?
>>> I admit, MySQL doesn't have, say, the World's Greatest parallel
>> hot-failover
>>> technology, but I don't think anyone would classify Oracle's efforts 
>>> in
>> this
>>> regard in that way either.
>>>
>>> Don't get me wrong, I'm all for using the right tool for the job, and
>> MySQL
>>> or PHP or Linux or Apache aren't each the right tool for every job. 
>>> But
>> if
>>> you're going to insist that PHP or MySQL has problems, please point 
>>> out
>>> actual problems, instead of vague assertions.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:44:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Fwd: Php Developer Needed
Message-ID: <20021011184448.57598.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com>


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> From: "Tim Nilson" <tim at runmedia.com>
> To: <contact at nyphp.org>
> Subject: Php Developer Needed
> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:27:15 -0400
> 
> Hello,
> 
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> 
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> 
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From zala007 at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 12 00:53:50 2002
From: zala007 at hotmail.com (Anirudh Zala)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 04:53:50 +0000
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
Message-ID: <F261gbH5enX2898dKSq00007a97@hotmail.com>

Hans Z.

:)

Your r right, it's not imp. which tools u use, but it's imp. how effectively 
u use it.

And as i told there can be several solution for this, and may be someone 
will have better solution than i have..Gotcha

Anyway this was nice topic to discuss..thanks all for giving suggestions

Anirudh Zala

>From: Hans Zaunere <zaunere at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: talk at nyphp.org
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>Hi Anirudh,
>
>
>--- Anirudh Zala <zala007 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > In SDDS, Data and Files are kept on several machines rather than same
> > server or 2 servers (i mean many companies use db server and
> > scripting/file server  as separate to get better output and faster
> > execution). This tech is also  known as Client-Agent-Server tech.
> > here u can say there is 1 main server where all data is kept and at
> > second level there comes Agents machines/servers interacts btwn main
> > server and client. All client servers has replica of  main servers DB
> > but in diff parts not as whole db so like 4 servers with 25% and
> > almost all clients queries are first directed to this Agents only and
> > replied/executed by these 4 servers and if needed they are redirected
> > to main server and finally records btwn main server and agent servers
> > are updated.
> >
> > This is similar like concept of cache servers in Oracle and Java but
> > this is bit new and different. The main diff is all Agent servers
> > acts like as they are main servers so at client end u never know
> > where your request is being redirected or which server your data is
> > coming from?
>
>This is a very effective way to handle large quantities of traffic, and
>is needed with any DB/language/server/OS.  While Oracle supports a lot
>of this as a shrink-wrapped package, there are limitations, and of
>course price.  I've seen very effective implementations using
>replication/MySQL/round-robin, and with a cost of only the hardware.  I
>think most sites would be hard-pressed to saturate even two Pentium-4
>MySQL servers with proper DB design. And scalability? Buy another
>server and add an A record to your DNS.
>
> > This is like a concept of having chain store where u have McDonald's
> > fast food available at New York, Syracuse and Seattle rather than all
> > have to go to New York only whether u live in Syracuse or Seattle. I
> > hope u all r getting what I mean.
>
>But there's nothing like a NY Big Mac  :)
>
> > So main point is whatever tech (Db, Scripting lang, Servers OS u use)
> > your software must have Strong RDBMS, Proper coding style, Robust
> > architecture maybe using SDDS tech. an other normal stuffs.
> > These concept can give u satisfactory solutions, otherwise there is
> > no such tech. in this world which can give u all at once without
> > having Distributed Database and/or multiprocessing. Also PHP guys
> > will say PHP is best, ASP will say ASP is the best bcoz it has these
> > facilities, same with DB and OS,
>
> > ok ok we need to think in diff
> > direction and develop something new using existing tech :) not just
> > adhering to existing tools.
>
>Couldn't agree more,
>
>H
>
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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 12 10:31:36 2002
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 07:31:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: The Parable of the Languages [FUN]
Message-ID: <20021012143136.65001.qmail@web12805.mail.yahoo.com>


"...And PHP answered:

All I ever do, day in and day out, is work and work and work. The only
time I'm noticed is when I break, and then I'm cursed and kicked, and
roundly blasted for being useless. However, when things go well, I
never get a kind word. 

There's no notice of my ease of use, my elegance, my simplicity. Only
my failures..."

http://weblog.burningbird.net/archives/000581.php

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From seth at ghiek.com  Sat Oct 12 11:34:02 2002
From: seth at ghiek.com (Seth)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 11:34:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] The Parable of the Languages [FUN]
References: <200210121431.g9CEVeWM062818@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <001001c27204$cae97b90$0602a8c0@GHIEKJT5HZPBAD>

Everyone,

the weblog reading noted in Hans' link is fun reading ... i could certainly
smile at [some of] the xml "accusations".

spirits,

seth j hersh
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Subject: [nycphp-talk] The Parable of the Languages [FUN]


>
> "...And PHP answered:
>
> All I ever do, day in and day out, is work and work and work. The only
> time I'm noticed is when I break, and then I'm cursed and kicked, and
> roundly blasted for being useless. However, when things go well, I
> never get a kind word.
>
> There's no notice of my ease of use, my elegance, my simplicity. Only
> my failures..."
>
> http://weblog.burningbird.net/archives/000581.php
>
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From soazine at erols.com  Mon Oct 14 04:06:01 2002
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 04:06:01 -0400
Subject: chmod - some files can be viewed, others cannot
Message-ID: <03a001c27358$89964c40$dcbe6444@scandinawa1bo6>

I have a directory $DOCUMENT_ROOT/my/images, permission 0755

I have three images in my folder with the exact same permissions: 0755; same ownership, same everything.

The files, viewed on my machine, are fine too.

However, two cannot be seen due to permissions errors; one can be seen.  All three were uploaded the exact same way too.

Anyone want to solve this riddle?  I am stumped as usual.

Thanx
Phil
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From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 04:23:20 -0400
Subject: chmod and file permissions
Message-ID: <03a901c2735a$f51721e0$dcbe6444@scandinawa1bo6>

If your directory is set to permissions 0755, and you upload your files to be at permissions 0744, will that change the permissions of the directory?  Whenever I upload a file, even though I have an is_dir check in place for the directory, the file is uploaded with permissions of 0755 and then the file becomes 0744 and then the file becomes 0744, and then I can't view the file!

I am not grasping this whole aspect of file permissions apparently enough to be able to handle file uploading correctly within the framework of PHP.  Anyone out there know what I must do to ensure the directory remains at 0755 and the files at 0744 or 0755 and ensure they can be viewed by all?

Thanx
Phil
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From ejp at well.com  Mon Oct 14 09:47:30 2002
From: ejp at well.com (Edward Potter)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:47:30 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] chmod and file permissions
In-Reply-To: <200210140825.g9E8PfWM066281@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <7C1FE54A-DF7B-11D6-B3E4-00039398609A@well.com>

hi,

ok, is this an upload using php with a form?  Then files are owned by 
user nobody, which should have viewable permission, HOWEVER you should 
also check out the UMASK  command in Unix. If this an FTP upload, then 
that's another story.  Permissions can be kinda of tricky. You may to 
assume the ID of the user at the command line, create a file, and do a 
basic save, see where it ends up permissions wise. Once you get your 
UMASK set, I think you'll be ok.   No matter what u do permissions wise, 
the UMASK is going to be the default maker of permissions.

-- ed

The default file permissions (umask):
Each user has a default set of permissions which apply to all files 
created by that user, unless the software explicitly sets something 
else. This is often called the 'umask', after the command used to change 
it. It is either inherited from the login process, or set in the .cshrc 
or .login file which configures an individual account, or it can be run 
manually.
On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 04:25 AM, Phil Powell wrote:

> If your directory is set to permissions 0755, and you upload your files 
> to be at permissions 0744, will that change the permissions of the 
> directory?  Whenever I upload a file, even though I have an is_dir 
> check in place for the directory, the file is uploaded with permissions 
> of 0755 and then the file becomes 0744 and then the file becomes 0744, 
> and then I can't view the file!
>
> I am not grasping this whole aspect of file permissions apparently 
> enough to be able to handle file uploading correctly within the 
> framework of PHP.  Anyone out there know what I must do to ensure the 
> directory remains at 0755 and the files at 0744 or 0755 and ensure they 
> can be viewed by all?
>
> Thanx
> Phil
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
>
>
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From LarryC at indexstock.com  Mon Oct 14 14:28:43 2002
From: LarryC at indexstock.com (Larry Chuon)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:28:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Scaling LAMP Architecture
Message-ID: <86713EAB93BD5F40B94A0C8E604C7C91AEB706@index-exchange.indexstock.com>

Hi folk,

Thank you for all the inputs on this subject.  They have been very helpful.
There are many ways to skin a cat.  As my team begins to plug open-source
applications together to build our "ossuite" (tm) package, we compromise on
time, best practice, and efficiency due to restraint on the resource.  If
all conditions exist, specifically resource [time, money, people, place,
etc.], we would have built everything from ground up.  Even with that, the
new app needs to be "scalable" enough to meet the rapidly changing business
requirements - which means ossuite needs dynamic workflow.  Instead, we
decided to integrate existing apps [NOLA and osCommerce] because we don't
want to reinvent the wheel.  It has been a very challenging and exciting
experience.

Soon, we'll integrate Relata and [Relatamail or PHPList] to ossuite.  We
hope SME (small medium enterprise) will enjoy this new free software.  We'll
launch the demo site soon.

We live, learn and share.  Write me if you guys want to collaborate with our
development process.  Upside compensation plan will be available for serious
players.

Regards,

Larry Chuon
http://ossuite.org/
http://lechuon.com










From soazine at erols.com  Mon Oct 14 14:47:03 2002
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:47:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] chmod and file permissions
References: <200210141347.g9EDljWM087526@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <050601c273b2$16a21890$dcbe6444@scandinawa1bo6>

I didn't see anything, sorry.

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edward Potter" <ejp at well.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] chmod and file permissions


> 
> 



From ejp at well.com  Mon Oct 14 17:07:28 2002
From: ejp at well.com (Edward Potter)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 17:07:28 -0400
Subject: chmod and file permissions
Message-ID: <F20596CE-DFB8-11D6-AFCF-00039398609A@well.com>

yeah, i saw that email went blank, weird...  any way here's my input... 
thanks

>
> hi,
>
> ok, is this an upload using php with a form?  Then files are owned by 
> user nobody, which should have viewable permission, HOWEVER you should 
> also check out the UMASK  command in Unix. If this an FTP upload, then 
> that's another story.  Permissions can be kinda of tricky. You may to 
> assume the ID of the user at the command line, create a file, and do a 
> basic save, see where it ends up permissions wise. Once you get your 
> UMASK set, I think you'll be ok.   No matter what u do permissions 
> wise, the UMASK is going to be the default maker of permissions.
>
> -- ed
>
> The default file permissions (umask):
> Each user has a default set of permissions which apply to all files 
> created by that user, unless the software explicitly sets something 
> else. This is often called the 'umask', after the command used to 
> change it. It is either inherited from the login process, or set in the 
> .cshrc or .login file which configures an individual account, or it can 
> be run manually.
> On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 04:25 AM, Phil Powell wrote:
>
>> If your directory is set to permissions 0755, and you upload your 
>> files to be at permissions 0744, will that change the permissions of 
>> the directory?  Whenever I upload a file, even though I have an is_dir 
>> check in place for the directory, the file is uploaded with 
>> permissions of 0755 and then the file becomes 0744 and then the file 
>> becomes 0744, and then I can't view the file!
>>
>> I am not grasping this whole aspect of file permissions apparently 
>> enough to be able to handle file uploading correctly within the 
>> framework of PHP.  Anyone out there know what I must do to ensure the 
>> directory remains at 0755 and the files at 0744 or 0755 and ensure 
>> they can be viewed by all?
>>
>> Thanx
>> Phil
>>
>>
>>
>> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
>>
>>



From soazine at erols.com  Mon Oct 14 17:09:38 2002
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 17:09:38 -0400
Subject: How to setcookie with two domains
Message-ID: <002601c273c6$025292c0$dcbe6444@scandinawa1bo6>

Is it possible, w/o using sessionid session variables, to use setcookie to set a cookie that will have two domains or more?

Just curious.  I am having to set a cookie that will go to one domain and then to another domain.  Not sure if I can do multiple setcookie commands and be able to produce the desired results.

Thanx
Phil
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From jellicle at inch.com  Mon Oct 14 17:27:50 2002
From: jellicle at inch.com (Michael Sims)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 17:27:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How to setcookie with two domains
In-Reply-To: <200210142111.g9ELBTWM013133@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210142111.g9ELBTWM013133@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021014213143.2A46E10DE2E@carbine.dsl.net>

On Monday 14 October 2002 17:11 pm, Phil Powell wrote:

> Is it possible, w/o using sessionid session variables, to use setcookie
> to set a cookie that will have two domains or more?
>
> Just curious.  I am having to set a cookie that will go to one domain
> and then to another domain.  Not sure if I can do multiple setcookie
> commands and be able to produce the desired results.

I'm not entirely sure I understand your question, but it would be a 
security hole to allow cookies to be set for domains other than the 
originating one.  The website www.foo.com can set cookies for www.foo.com 
(sent only to www.foo.com) or .foo.com (sent to any *.foo.com site) but 
can't (shouldn't be able to) set cookies for cnn.com or any other domain.


-- 
Michael Sims


From soazine at erols.com  Mon Oct 14 17:58:46 2002
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 17:58:46 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How to setcookie with two domains
References: <200210142131.g9ELVlWM013162@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <005d01c273cc$df38cf00$dcbe6444@scandinawa1bo6>

That I figured.. which leads to a dilemma:

I can set cookies to *.domain1.com, however, I am having to also set a
cookie value, the same cookie value, to a few remote scripts on
*.domain2.com, and since setcookie can't be used twice (I tried doing that
and only *.domain1.com was set, *.domain2.com was not), I don't know of an
easy solution to set the values of both domains in at least one script?

Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Sims" <jellicle at inch.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] How to setcookie with two domains


> On Monday 14 October 2002 17:11 pm, Phil Powell wrote:
>
> > Is it possible, w/o using sessionid session variables, to use setcookie
> > to set a cookie that will have two domains or more?
> >
> > Just curious.  I am having to set a cookie that will go to one domain
> > and then to another domain.  Not sure if I can do multiple setcookie
> > commands and be able to produce the desired results.
>
> I'm not entirely sure I understand your question, but it would be a
> security hole to allow cookies to be set for domains other than the
> originating one.  The website www.foo.com can set cookies for www.foo.com
> (sent only to www.foo.com) or .foo.com (sent to any *.foo.com site) but
> can't (shouldn't be able to) set cookies for cnn.com or any other domain.
>
>
> --
> Michael Sims
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
>
>



From jellicle at inch.com  Mon Oct 14 18:28:30 2002
From: jellicle at inch.com (Michael Sims)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 18:28:30 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How to setcookie with two domains
In-Reply-To: <200210142200.g9EM0cWM013200@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210142200.g9EM0cWM013200@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021014222920.2539110DE2A@abbots.dsl.net>

On Monday 14 October 2002 18:00 pm, Phil Powell wrote:

> That I figured.. which leads to a dilemma:
>
> I can set cookies to *.domain1.com, however, I am having to also set a
> cookie value, the same cookie value, to a few remote scripts on
> *.domain2.com, and since setcookie can't be used twice (I tried doing
> that and only *.domain1.com was set, *.domain2.com was not), I don't
> know of an easy solution to set the values of both domains in at least
> one script?

Setcookie() can be used more than once.  The reason it isn't working is 
that it's a security violation for the website domain1.com to be able to 
modify cookies for domain2.com, and the web browser is refusing 
(correctly) to store the cookies for domain2 that you are sending.

See the cookie RFC, section 4.3.2:

http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/rfc/rfc2109.html

This RFC does not accurately express the current state of cookie-handling 
in browsers (because it didn't consider country code TLD's), but, eh, 
close enough.

You can still transfer information to domain2.com by loading URLs:

http://domain2.com/script.php?yourvariable=value

and domain2.com could then set its own cookies.


-- 
Michael Sims


From soazine at erols.com  Mon Oct 14 18:49:53 2002
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 18:49:53 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How to setcookie with two domains
References: <200210142229.g9EMTOWM013234@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <009801c273d4$02d4b2b0$dcbe6444@scandinawa1bo6>

yep just as I figured.. which would be a breeze were it not for the wacky
requirements of dealing with ASP, TCL, PHP and HTML files that are all
affected by this query string addition. *sigh*

Phil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Sims" <jellicle at inch.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] How to setcookie with two domains


> On Monday 14 October 2002 18:00 pm, Phil Powell wrote:
>
> > That I figured.. which leads to a dilemma:
> >
> > I can set cookies to *.domain1.com, however, I am having to also set a
> > cookie value, the same cookie value, to a few remote scripts on
> > *.domain2.com, and since setcookie can't be used twice (I tried doing
> > that and only *.domain1.com was set, *.domain2.com was not), I don't
> > know of an easy solution to set the values of both domains in at least
> > one script?
>
> Setcookie() can be used more than once.  The reason it isn't working is
> that it's a security violation for the website domain1.com to be able to
> modify cookies for domain2.com, and the web browser is refusing
> (correctly) to store the cookies for domain2 that you are sending.
>
> See the cookie RFC, section 4.3.2:
>
> http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/rfc/rfc2109.html
>
> This RFC does not accurately express the current state of cookie-handling
> in browsers (because it didn't consider country code TLD's), but, eh,
> close enough.
>
> You can still transfer information to domain2.com by loading URLs:
>
> http://domain2.com/script.php?yourvariable=value
>
> and domain2.com could then set its own cookies.
>
>
> --
> Michael Sims
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
>
>



From zaunere at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 14 22:41:42 2002
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 19:41:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: NYPHP Presents: AMP Development under Win2K and the AIP
Message-ID: <20021015024142.70424.qmail@web12808.mail.yahoo.com>

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From mjdewitt at alexcommgrp.com  Tue Oct 15 11:21:13 2002
From: mjdewitt at alexcommgrp.com (DeWitt, Michael)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:21:13 -0400
Subject: Seeking recommendations for resources on LAMP best practices
Message-ID: <BCF799A6B63DD411985D00805F9F903341E804@mail.alexcommgrp.com>

	Hello,

	I have been lurking on the list for a while and really enjoy the
discussion.  I have been running LAMP based websites for a couple of years,
but feel its time to address some high level issues with the maintenance of
LAMP based systems.

	I have looked over and read a few books on Apache and PHP and they
really don't cover what you do after you get things running.  Some of the
issues I have run into and am looking for direction on are:

	1. What is the best way to maintain all of the server software
components:

	I bet most admin's servers like mine are much more complicated than
merely apache/mysql/php.  SSL, other database connectivity like ODBC and
TDS, encryption libraries, log readers, site indexers, link checkers,
frontpage, and so on are needed to make a site really functional.

	Some of these components have dependencies which raises issues in
getting the whole shebang working when you change one component.  So, what
is to be done to maintain the server from one generation of daemons and
programs to another? From here, other issues arise as to the best way to
move from one production server to another as in the case of an OS   or
hardware upgrade. 

	2. what is the best way to setup and maintain apache logs? What is
the best log reader?

	If you want to have automated log rotation that dovetails with both
static log readers like webalayzer or dynamic (you can do ad-hoc queries)
like analog.  Or perhaps a better log reader would streamline everything?

	3. what is the best way to setup and maintain a backup "hot"
apache/mysql server? 

	Can this be practically done with standard linux installs and the
capabilites of the OS and server daemons?

	There are many operational and maintenance questions like these
which I am finding a hard time getting answers to.  

	I am not really expecting anyone to answer these questions in
detail.  I know that someone somewhere has figured out this stuff and I
would love to know what that is. Just point me in the right direction. 

	Perhaps some book or online resource is available that addresses
these kinds of questions?  If so, please let me know what it is. I have
looked around on the web and Barnes and Noble, but have turned up little as
my patience and ability are limited.  I know its out there, somewhere.
Isn't everything?

	Thanks in advance for your time and for providing this valuable
forum.

	Mike





From sailer at bnl.gov  Tue Oct 15 11:29:46 2002
From: sailer at bnl.gov (Tim Sailer)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:29:46 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Seeking recommendations for resources on LAMP best practices
In-Reply-To: <200210151517.g9FFH0WM014506@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210151517.g9FFH0WM014506@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021015152946.GA31501@bnl.gov>

On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 11:17:00AM -0400, DeWitt, Michael wrote:
> 	3. what is the best way to setup and maintain a backup "hot"
> apache/mysql server? 
> 
> 	Can this be practically done with standard linux installs and the
> capabilites of the OS and server daemons?

The way I do this is first, get two web servers running, configured
identical. Keeping them that way can be a chore, but that's another question.
Use rsync between them to keep your content current. One hole this leaves
is log files, which, to e-commerce sites, may be more important than
content, so I'd look at mysql logging from apache, os that ilk. Mysql
is simple. You can set up 2 replicated servers, but the best way
is to have 3 servers, with the master being where all the writes are
going, and replicated to the slaves, where the reads are done. Now, in
your database code, when you try to attach to your primary slave server,
if that fails, simply try to attach to your 'hot spare' server.

I know this is Perl and LDAP, but it will work the same way in PHP/Mysql.
I just happen to have this code open in my editor:

$ldap=Net::LDAP->new('ldapA.bnl.gov') or $ldap=Net::LDAP->new('ldapB.bnl.gov') or $ldap=Net::LDAP->new('ldapC.bnl.gov') or die "$@";

This way, one call should almost always yield a database connection.

Tim

-- 
Tim Sailer <sailer at bnl.gov> 
Application Services
Information Technology Division
Brookhaven National Laboratory  (631) 344-3001


From rainman at deroo.net  Tue Oct 15 11:44:07 2002
From: rainman at deroo.net (The RainMaker)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:44:07 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Seeking recommendations for resources on LAMP
  best practices
In-Reply-To: <200210151530.g9FFUjWM014561@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021015114313.00ab2788@mail.deroo.net>


>
>$ldap=Net::LDAP->new('ldapA.bnl.gov') or 
>$ldap=Net::LDAP->new('ldapB.bnl.gov') or 
>$ldap=Net::LDAP->new('ldapC.bnl.gov') or die "$@";
>
>This way, one call should almost always yield a database connection.

If not... ya have a new definition for the term "Having a bad day."

.r :+)



From nyphp at altunergil.com  Tue Oct 15 12:08:17 2002
From: nyphp at altunergil.com (Oktay Altunergil)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:08:17 -0400
Subject: Fw: [nylug-announce] LinuxWorld New York 2003 Registration is Open! (fwd) [FREE Exhibits Pass]
Message-ID: <20021015120817.21fc12d9.nyphp@altunergil.com>


My apologies if it was posted before.

Oktay

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From enunez at tiaa-cref.org  Tue Oct 15 12:14:16 2002
From: enunez at tiaa-cref.org (Nunez, Eddy)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:14:16 -0400
Subject: Javascript & Sessions
Message-ID: <7CE0EC1FC2D0D411910700508BE38D0F0A6D9B81@msxnyusr01.msx.ops.tiaa-cref.org>


Heya folks,

	Just ran into an odd bit of coding.  I wrote some Javascript
functions to manipulate options to
a dropdown lists from a text field. i.e. function addOption( listObj, option
)

	There seems to be a problem with Javascript and Sessioning when it
comes to accessing the
document object, because when PHP initially sets the browser cookie for the
session the document
object is unaccessable?

Let me give you an example:
	1. I try my page without "session_start()".  addOption() works fine.
	2. I add the session_start() to the page, addOption() generetes an
"Object expected error",
		when I try to use it. I am guessing it can't access document
object?
		using this format: document.form1.elements[i].  (the form
was named to form1)
	3. I reload the page as is, the addOption() works fine again;
		note: I didn't touch session_start() in the code. 
	4. I delete my cookies, reload the page, and the "Object expected
error" returns.

Seems that document obj disappears only when initially setting the session
cookie? Odd.
Anyone can shed some light on this particular situation?

FYI: Using IE6,  I really hate the way IE handles Javascript Errors, Loved
the way Netscape had
a Javascript console for reviewing/locating errors.

Thanks!

-Ed



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From sailer at bnl.gov  Tue Oct 15 12:36:18 2002
From: sailer at bnl.gov (Tim Sailer)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:36:18 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Seeking recommendations for resources on LAMP best practices
In-Reply-To: <200210151544.g9FFiZWM014609@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210151544.g9FFiZWM014609@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021015163618.GB32618@bnl.gov>

On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 11:44:35AM -0400, The RainMaker wrote:
> 
> >
> >$ldap=Net::LDAP->new('ldapA.bnl.gov') or 
> >$ldap=Net::LDAP->new('ldapB.bnl.gov') or 
> >$ldap=Net::LDAP->new('ldapC.bnl.gov') or die "$@";
> >
> >This way, one call should almost always yield a database connection.
> 
> If not... ya have a new definition for the term "Having a bad day."

Yeah, well welcome to my world. :) Take a machine down for upgrades,
have another fail, and the third be unavailable due to a network
outage. :(

Tim

-- 
Tim Sailer <sailer at bnl.gov> 
Application Services
Information Technology Division
Brookhaven National Laboratory  (631) 344-3001


From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Wed Oct 16 13:12:12 2002
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks(Biz Computing))
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:12:12 -0400
Subject: Building trees
References: <200210111614.g9BGEiWM058174@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DAD9DEC.1010309@bizcomputinginc.com>

I know this is a SQL question, but since most apps deal with SQL, I 
figured I'ld ask here since the app is using PHP and MySQL.

I have a table that establishes an entity that may have a parent from 
the same table.  I would like to display the data in a tree format where 
all items with a ParentID of 0 ( no parent ) are listed with children 
indented under the parent.  The nesting can be infinite, but 
realistically will only be 2 or 3 levels deep.  I can see how to do this 
through a whole series of queries, but can see how the performance of 
such a design could be very poor if there is a lot of items.  Looking 
for any ideas, even if they would require a table design mod to make the 
queries simpler.  The current design is a single table with ID, and 
ParentID and whatever other info needed for the item.

Thanks, Jim






From zaunere at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 16 13:35:51 2002
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:35:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Graphics with php
In-Reply-To: <200210161651.g9GGpfWM016341@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021016173551.20434.qmail@web12808.mail.yahoo.com>


[Moved to NYPHP-Talk]

--- elvire dardier <nygini at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi everybody,
> 
> I am new to this forum and also new to using php. I
> have created a web page that connects to my oracle
> data base, where weather data is stored. Now I also
> want to create graphs. I configured php with gd and
> the recommanded librairies, jpeg, png, zlib,

I haven't used GD in a while (last compile I did with it was when the
libs were still seperate) but I think modern PHP versions come with a
bundled version, which is certainly recommended.

> ..When
> running a small test script, it tells me that it does
> not find imagepng() for instance ( I am on
> sun/solaris).

Hmm... Are you sure the script is running with the PHP binary/module
you think it is?  Is that the only error it gives?  If it couldn't find
the GD libs properly, you should get a different error (if it would
even compile at all).  But this error seems like PHP doesn't even know
this module is available.  Is PNG specifically enabled?  Do any of the
image functions work (getimagesize(),exif_imagetype())?  Are the
constants defined?  Did you compile it as a dynamic module? Did you
load it with dl() if so?  




=====
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New York PHP
http://nyphp.org
hans at nyphp.org

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From sailer at bnl.gov  Wed Oct 16 13:44:42 2002
From: sailer at bnl.gov (Tim Sailer)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:44:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: Graphics with php
In-Reply-To: <200210161735.g9GHZuWM016403@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210161735.g9GHZuWM016403@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021016174442.GB17733@bnl.gov>

On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 01:35:56PM -0400, Hans Zaunere wrote:
> > ..When
> > running a small test script, it tells me that it does
> > not find imagepng() for instance ( I am on
> > sun/solaris).
> 
> Hmm... Are you sure the script is running with the PHP binary/module
> you think it is?  Is that the only error it gives?  If it couldn't find
> the GD libs properly, you should get a different error (if it would
> even compile at all).  But this error seems like PHP doesn't even know
> this module is available.  Is PNG specifically enabled?  Do any of the
> image functions work (getimagesize(),exif_imagetype())?  Are the
> constants defined?  Did you compile it as a dynamic module? Did you
> load it with dl() if so?  

Also, if the PHP build was done as modules, make sure you
have the gd.so extention loded in the php.ini...

Tim

-- 
Tim Sailer <sailer at bnl.gov> 
Application Services
Information Technology Division
Brookhaven National Laboratory  (631) 344-3001


From bruce at mtiglobal.com  Thu Oct 17 05:47:19 2002
From: bruce at mtiglobal.com (bruce at mtiglobal.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 01:47:19 -0800 (CST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
In-Reply-To: <200210161712.g9GHCNWM016368@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210161712.g9GHCNWM016368@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <4761.65.112.109.66.1034790439.squirrel@taipei.mtiglobal.com>

Can a parent by a child and a child be a parent?

Is so, perhaps you could have another table where the relationship is
established.

tblObjects:
objectID
fname
lname
etc. fields

tblRelationships:
relationship  - autonumber
parent
child

where parent and child are the id's from tblObjects.

I could probably be more clear if I knew the specifics of what the
entities you are using are.

>From this you could then select from the two tables.

- Bruce

> I know this is a SQL question, but since most apps deal with SQL, I
> figured I'ld ask here since the app is using PHP and MySQL.
>
> I have a table that establishes an entity that may have a parent from
> the same table.  I would like to display the data in a tree format where
>  all items with a ParentID of 0 ( no parent ) are listed with children
> indented under the parent.  The nesting can be infinite, but
> realistically will only be 2 or 3 levels deep.  I can see how to do this
>  through a whole series of queries, but can see how the performance of
> such a design could be very poor if there is a lot of items.  Looking
> for any ideas, even if they would require a table design mod to make the
>  queries simpler.  The current design is a single table with ID, and
> ParentID and whatever other info needed for the item.
>
> Thanks, Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---





From fields at surgam.net  Wed Oct 16 14:00:48 2002
From: fields at surgam.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:00:48 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
In-Reply-To: <200210161712.g9GHCNWM016368@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210161712.g9GHCNWM016368@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021016180047.GB23049@eye.surgam.net>

On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 01:12:23PM -0400, Jim Hendricks wrote:
> I know this is a SQL question, but since most apps deal with SQL, I 
> figured I'ld ask here since the app is using PHP and MySQL.
> 
> I have a table that establishes an entity that may have a parent from 
> the same table.  I would like to display the data in a tree format where 
> all items with a ParentID of 0 ( no parent ) are listed with children 
> indented under the parent.  The nesting can be infinite, but 
> realistically will only be 2 or 3 levels deep.  I can see how to do this 
> through a whole series of queries, but can see how the performance of 
> such a design could be very poor if there is a lot of items.  Looking 
> for any ideas, even if they would require a table design mod to make the 
> queries simpler.  The current design is a single table with ID, and 
> ParentID and whatever other info needed for the item.

There's no easy way to do this now with MySQL. In Oracle, you can use
a CONNECT BY query to return this sort of structure.

The only good news I have about this is that it is on the list of
things that ought to be included at some point:

http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/TODO_future.html


-- 
				- Adam

-----
Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
http://www.adamfields.com


From MJames at emarketer.com  Wed Oct 16 14:12:53 2002
From: MJames at emarketer.com (Michael James)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:12:53 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
Message-ID: <sdad7406.063@node72.b2b-hive.com>

Jim,

I had to build a tree for a project, and I found that de-normalization worked rather well.  In my case i had a tree of "subjects", therefore i created a "subject path" table with the following fields:

id                      
parent_id              
subject_id_0            
subject_id_1            
subject_id_2            
subject_id_3            
subject_id_4            
subject_id_5            
subject_id_6            
subject_name_0         
subject_name_1         
subject_name_2         
subject_name_3         
subject_name_4         
subject_name_5         
subject_name_6         
narrowest_subject_id   
narrowest_subject_name 
full_name             

also, i had a subject table:
id
name 


I knew that I would never go over 7 levels in my tree, but i could always add more fields to the subject path table if necessary.  Anyway, from the subject table and from the id and parent id fields in the subject path table, i can derive all of the other fields for each row in the subject path table.  (this would be something you can do as a pre-processed script, because you wouldn't want to figure it out during run-time since it would slow your site down.)   And I used these de-normalized fields to create the tree on the website using very simple queries (ex. SELECT narrowest_subject_name from subject_path where parent_id = 5)

Mike

>>> jim at bizcomputinginc.com 10/16/02 01:12PM >>>
I know this is a SQL question, but since most apps deal with SQL, I 
figured I'ld ask here since the app is using PHP and MySQL.

I have a table that establishes an entity that may have a parent from 
the same table.  I would like to display the data in a tree format where 
all items with a ParentID of 0 ( no parent ) are listed with children 
indented under the parent.  The nesting can be infinite, but 
realistically will only be 2 or 3 levels deep.  I can see how to do this 
through a whole series of queries, but can see how the performance of 
such a design could be very poor if there is a lot of items.  Looking 
for any ideas, even if they would require a table design mod to make the 
queries simpler.  The current design is a single table with ID, and 
ParentID and whatever other info needed for the item.

Thanks, Jim






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From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Wed Oct 16 14:26:18 2002
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks(Biz Computing))
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:26:18 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
References: <200210161749.g9GHnGWM016431@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DADAF4A.304@bizcomputinginc.com>

Yes, I think if I get your meaning.  The app is a broadbased app for 
managing my business and extending certain parts to involved parties ( 
ie. my clients and sub contractors ).  The specific table in question is 
projects where projects can have subprojects which can have 
subprojects... as deep as you want.  So with my table design you might see:

ID  ParentID  Name
1     0             The greatgrandaddy project
2     1             grandpa 1
3     1             grandpa 2
4     2             pa 1
5     2             pa 2
6     3             pa 3
7     3             pa 4
8     5             child 1
9     5             child 2
10   5             child 3

The results of the query would lead to a display like:

The greatgranddaddy project
     grandpa 1
          pa 1
          pa 2
               child 1
               child 2
               child 3
     grandpa 2
          pa 3
          pa 4

I had thought about using the relationship table, but didn't see how 
that would make the query simpler.

A straight query of my original design will get me all the data, the 
problem is parsing that data so I can lay it out in a tree format.  If 
there were a way within the query where I can order the data on 
greatgranddaddy, granddaddy, daddy, child then it could be done in 1 
query.  But this then also assumes a tree only 3 levels deep ( which is 
plenty for this situation, but I may need this solution in other places 
as well where 3 may not be deep enough ).  This also assumes ordering by 
id's but ultimately I want it ordered by name within each tier.

Jim

bruce at mtiglobal.com wrote:

>Can a parent by a child and a child be a parent?
>
>Is so, perhaps you could have another table where the relationship is
>established.
>
>tblObjects:
>objectID
>fname
>lname
>etc. fields
>
>tblRelationships:
>relationship  - autonumber
>parent
>child
>
>where parent and child are the id's from tblObjects.
>
>I could probably be more clear if I knew the specifics of what the
>entities you are using are.
>
>>From this you could then select from the two tables.
>
>- Bruce
>
>  
>
>>I know this is a SQL question, but since most apps deal with SQL, I
>>figured I'ld ask here since the app is using PHP and MySQL.
>>
>>I have a table that establishes an entity that may have a parent from
>>the same table.  I would like to display the data in a tree format where
>> all items with a ParentID of 0 ( no parent ) are listed with children
>>indented under the parent.  The nesting can be infinite, but
>>realistically will only be 2 or 3 levels deep.  I can see how to do this
>> through a whole series of queries, but can see how the performance of
>>such a design could be very poor if there is a lot of items.  Looking
>>for any ideas, even if they would require a table design mod to make the
>> queries simpler.  The current design is a single table with ID, and
>>ParentID and whatever other info needed for the item.
>>
>>Thanks, Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
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From rainman at deroo.net  Wed Oct 16 14:29:06 2002
From: rainman at deroo.net (The RainMaker)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:29:06 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
In-Reply-To: <200210161801.g9GI11WM016464@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021016142754.00a91af8@mail.deroo.net>

Humph...

>The only good news I have about this is that it is on the list of
>things that ought to be included at some point:
>
>http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/TODO_future.html

Subselect have been on the TODO list for over five years... I wouldn't go 
holding your breath.

.r



From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Wed Oct 16 14:44:54 2002
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks(Biz Computing))
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:44:54 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
References: <200210161810.g9GIAKWM016485@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DADB3A6.3080600@bizcomputinginc.com>

This idea might hold promise for my needs.  I need to mull over.  I 
imagine I can maintain the "subject path" table at file time of  a new 
"subject" since this is a quick save query so tacking on the added time 
to backwalk the tree for the new "subject" to glean the necessary info 
to add to the "subject path" table would be hardly noticed.  I don't 
know how the sorting would be done with this design though.  If I want 
"subject" ordering within the tier, I may need to add a sortation 
weight.  The other thing would be, this design still needs multiple 
queries, for each level of each branch.

I'm thinking that since my requirements are:
   1. a parent can have many children of which can also have many children
   2. a child can have only 1 parent
   3. the tree query needs to display within an alpha sort on name 
within the tier

I might need to have a sort weight field which factors all these in when 
my entity is saved and generates a value which would allow a sort on the 
weight field to cause the query to retrieve the data in the right order 
with parents immediately followed by their children.  Then it is a 
simple matter durring display to do the necessary indenting as you 
interate through the result set.

Michael James wrote:

>Jim,
>
>I had to build a tree for a project, and I found that de-normalization worked rather well.  In my case i had a tree of "subjects", therefore i created a "subject path" table with the following fields:
>
>id                      
>parent_id              
>subject_id_0            
>subject_id_1            
>subject_id_2            
>subject_id_3            
>subject_id_4            
>subject_id_5            
>subject_id_6            
>subject_name_0         
>subject_name_1         
>subject_name_2         
>subject_name_3         
>subject_name_4         
>subject_name_5         
>subject_name_6         
>narrowest_subject_id   
>narrowest_subject_name 
>full_name             
>
>also, i had a subject table:
>id
>name 
>
>
>I knew that I would never go over 7 levels in my tree, but i could always add more fields to the subject path table if necessary.  Anyway, from the subject table and from the id and parent id fields in the subject path table, i can derive all of the other fields for each row in the subject path table.  (this would be something you can do as a pre-processed script, because you wouldn't want to figure it out during run-time since it would slow your site down.)   And I used these de-normalized fields to create the tree on the website using very simple queries (ex. SELECT narrowest_subject_name from subject_path where parent_id = 5)
>
>Mike
>
>  
>
>>>>jim at bizcomputinginc.com 10/16/02 01:12PM >>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>I know this is a SQL question, but since most apps deal with SQL, I 
>figured I'ld ask here since the app is using PHP and MySQL.
>
>I have a table that establishes an entity that may have a parent from 
>the same table.  I would like to display the data in a tree format where 
>all items with a ParentID of 0 ( no parent ) are listed with children 
>indented under the parent.  The nesting can be infinite, but 
>realistically will only be 2 or 3 levels deep.  I can see how to do this 
>through a whole series of queries, but can see how the performance of 
>such a design could be very poor if there is a lot of items.  Looking 
>for any ideas, even if they would require a table design mod to make the 
>queries simpler.  The current design is a single table with ID, and 
>ParentID and whatever other info needed for the item.
>
>Thanks, Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Wed Oct 16 14:47:13 2002
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks(Biz Computing))
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:47:13 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
References: <200210161829.g9GITUWM016521@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DADB431.5000902@bizcomputinginc.com>

Yeah, I think I would rather see subselects before I see tree building 
functionality.  Subselects bring a wider basis of ease.

Jim

The RainMaker wrote:

>Humph...
>
>  
>
>>The only good news I have about this is that it is on the list of
>>things that ought to be included at some point:
>>
>>http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/TODO_future.html
>>    
>>
>
>Subselect have been on the TODO list for over five years... I wouldn't go 
>holding your breath.
>
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From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Wed Oct 16 15:09:09 2002
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks(Biz Computing))
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:09:09 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
References: <200210161810.g9GIAKWM016485@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DADB955.1030501@bizcomputinginc.com>

I'm thinking now along the lines of adding a tierlevel field to my table 
design.  In that way I can do 1 query for each tier. Like:

// get top tier
$oRS1 = mysql_query("SELECT ID, Name FROM Projects WHERE TierLevel = 1 
ORDER BY Name") ;
// get second tier
$oRS2 = mysql_query("SELECT ParentID, ID, Name FROM Projects WHERE 
TierLevel = 2 ORDER BY ParentID, Name") ;
// get third tier
$oRS2 = mysql_query("SELECT ParentID, ID, Name FROM Projects WHERE 
TierLevel = 3 ORDER BY ParentID, Name") ;
// get fourth tier
$oRS2 = mysql_query("SELECT ParentID, ID, Name FROM Projects WHERE 
TierLevel = 4 ORDER BY ParentID, Name") ;

Now as I iterate through $oRS1, display Name, I then look at $oRS2, if 
oRS2.ParentID == oRS1.ID, then dip down into iterating $oRS2 until the 
ParentID == something other than oRS1.ID.  At each level the logic would 
be the same.

This would require 1 query per level, and it would require choosing a 
maximum tree depth at design time.  The code might even be simple enough 
to write through a recursive algorithm, although I have yet to attempt 
any recursing in PHP so I'm ignorant if this would be the easiest and 
cleanest way to do it.

Figuring out the level at the time a Project is saved is simple since I 
have a parent ID, I can walk the tree backwards until I get a 0 ParentID 
( 0 is not a legal ProjectID in my design ).  The number of queries I 
had to do plus one would be the level of this new item.

What think ye all?




From fields at surgam.net  Wed Oct 16 15:56:30 2002
From: fields at surgam.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:56:30 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
In-Reply-To: <200210161909.g9GJ9HWM016607@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210161909.g9GJ9HWM016607@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021016195629.GG23049@eye.surgam.net>

On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 03:09:17PM -0400, Jim Hendricks wrote:
> I'm thinking now along the lines of adding a tierlevel field to my table 
> design.  In that way I can do 1 query for each tier. Like:
> 
> // get top tier
> $oRS1 = mysql_query("SELECT ID, Name FROM Projects WHERE TierLevel = 1 
> ORDER BY Name") ;
> // get second tier
> $oRS2 = mysql_query("SELECT ParentID, ID, Name FROM Projects WHERE 
> TierLevel = 2 ORDER BY ParentID, Name") ;
> // get third tier
> $oRS2 = mysql_query("SELECT ParentID, ID, Name FROM Projects WHERE 
> TierLevel = 3 ORDER BY ParentID, Name") ;
> // get fourth tier
> $oRS2 = mysql_query("SELECT ParentID, ID, Name FROM Projects WHERE 
> TierLevel = 4 ORDER BY ParentID, Name") ;
> 
> Now as I iterate through $oRS1, display Name, I then look at $oRS2, if 
> oRS2.ParentID == oRS1.ID, then dip down into iterating $oRS2 until the 
> ParentID == something other than oRS1.ID.  At each level the logic would 
> be the same.

I'd wrap a class around the whole thing. Use that class to broker
reads and writes to the tree table. Add a "changed" timestamp to the
tree, and have a read from the class only reload the tree from the
database if it's changed since the last read. Stash the object in the
session for reuse, or serialize it to another table (or file, or
whatever) for quick retrieval.

> This would require 1 query per level, and it would require choosing a 
> maximum tree depth at design time.  The code might even be simple enough 
> to write through a recursive algorithm, although I have yet to attempt 
> any recursing in PHP so I'm ignorant if this would be the easiest and 
> cleanest way to do it.
> 
> Figuring out the level at the time a Project is saved is simple since I 
> have a parent ID, I can walk the tree backwards until I get a 0 ParentID 
> ( 0 is not a legal ProjectID in my design ).  The number of queries I 
> had to do plus one would be the level of this new item.

You don't even have to do that. You can just take the level of the
parent node + 1.

> What think ye all?



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From sharpwit at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 16 15:58:36 2002
From: sharpwit at hotmail.com ((kris)janis p gale)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:58:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
References: <200210161749.g9GHnGWM016431@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <OE17U393IhJrvJ1xKjt00000eb3@hotmail.com>

or, if you were really lazy,
you could just have a self-referencing table...

tblObjects:
objectID
parentID
fname
lname
etc...

where parentID is the objectID of this object's parent

what's nice about this is, you could query just one table
to find all siblings -- just search for equivalent parentID's.
similarly, it's easy to find orphans and objects that
came before all others -- where parentID = NULL.


From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Wed Oct 16 16:02:49 2002
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks(Biz Computing))
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:02:49 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
References: <200210161956.g9GJubWM016679@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DADC5E9.2040607@bizcomputinginc.com>



>>Figuring out the level at the time a Project is saved is simple since I 
>>have a parent ID, I can walk the tree backwards until I get a 0 ParentID 
>>( 0 is not a legal ProjectID in my design ).  The number of queries I 
>>had to do plus one would be the level of this new item.
>>    
>>
>
>You don't even have to do that. You can just take the level of the
>parent node + 1.
>  
>

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From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Wed Oct 16 16:16:28 2002
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks(Biz Computing))
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:16:28 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
References: <200210162001.g9GK1sWM016693@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DADC91C.4010302@bizcomputinginc.com>

That's what I'm doing now, but in order to build the whole tree requires 
multiple queries with this design. My latest idea is to add a tierlevel 
field so I won't have to issue a query for parentID = 0 ( top level ) 
then iterate this result & generate a query for parentID = the id of the 
row we are on in top level etc. right on down the line.  If I have 4 top 
level projects each with 3 sub projects and 1 of the subprojects have 2 
subprojects this would require issuing 1 toplevel query, 4 2nd level 
queries,  12 3rd level queries, and 2 4th level queries.  All told for 
this simple tree I will have issued 19 queries.  If I have a tierlevel 
 I can issue 1 query per allowable tier which would be 4 queries in all 
for a max 4 tierdepth tree.  This would be the same no matter how many 
items I have in the tree, nor how many children etc.

janis p gale wrote:

>or, if you were really lazy,
>you could just have a self-referencing table...
>
>tblObjects:
>objectID
>parentID
>fname
>lname
>etc...
>
>where parentID is the objectID of this object's parent
>
>what's nice about this is, you could query just one table
>to find all siblings -- just search for equivalent parentID's.
>similarly, it's easy to find orphans and objects that
>came before all others -- where parentID = NULL.
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>  
>




From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Wed Oct 16 16:22:03 2002
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks(Biz Computing))
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:22:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
References: <200210161956.g9GJubWM016679@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DADCA6B.1070209@bizcomputinginc.com>



Adam Fields wrote:

>I'd wrap a class around the whole thing. Use that class to broker
>reads and writes to the tree table. Add a "changed" timestamp to the
>tree, and have a read from the class only reload the tree from the
>database if it's changed since the last read. Stash the object in the
>session for reuse, or serialize it to another table (or file, or
>whatever) for quick retrieval.
>  
>
I don't know about the class thing since it adds a level of complexity 
to the code that I don't know
if it's waranted.  I do like the idea of caching the tree though.  I 
would cache it in the DB so that the
tree does not need to be generated at all when the request to display it 
occurs.  The tree would
be regenerated everytime a change occurs to the underlying data ( which 
is a low volume data set )
This may not be a good idea for items that have a higher change velocity.

Jim




From nygini at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 16 16:34:43 2002
From: nygini at yahoo.com (elvire dardier)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:34:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: Graphics with php
In-Reply-To: <200210161735.g9GHZuWM016403@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021016203443.29364.qmail@web14702.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Hans,
Yes, it is the only error that we get in our little
script im.php: 

"Fatal error: Call to undefined function: imagepng()
in im.php on line 9

 We tried using getimagesize() and some other
gd_functions and they were found by php. 

I do not exaclty understand what you mean by enabling
PNG? We specified PNG directory with the option
"--with" when configuring php. 
What constants should be defined?

Thank you again,
Genevieve.


> 
> I haven't used GD in a while (last compile I did
> with it was when the
> libs were still seperate) but I think modern PHP
> versions come with a
> bundled version, which is certainly recommended.
> 
> > ..When
> > running a small test script, it tells me that it
> does
> > not find imagepng() for instance ( I am on
> > sun/solaris).
> 
> Hmm... Are you sure the script is running with the
> PHP binary/module
> you think it is?  Is that the only error it gives? 
> If it couldn't find
> the GD libs properly, you should get a different
> error (if it would
> even compile at all).  But this error seems like PHP
> doesn't even know
> this module is available.  Is PNG specifically
> enabled?  Do any of the
> image functions work
> (getimagesize(),exif_imagetype())?  Are the
> constants defined?  Did you compile it as a dynamic
> module? Did you
> load it with dl() if so?  
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From fields at surgam.net  Wed Oct 16 16:40:26 2002
From: fields at surgam.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:40:26 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
In-Reply-To: <200210162016.g9GKGaWM016725@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210162016.g9GKGaWM016725@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021016204025.GJ23049@eye.surgam.net>

On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 04:16:36PM -0400, Jim Hendricks wrote:
> That's what I'm doing now, but in order to build the whole tree requires 
> multiple queries with this design. My latest idea is to add a tierlevel 
> field so I won't have to issue a query for parentID = 0 ( top level ) 
> then iterate this result & generate a query for parentID = the id of the 
> row we are on in top level etc. right on down the line.  If I have 4 top 
> level projects each with 3 sub projects and 1 of the subprojects have 2 
> subprojects this would require issuing 1 toplevel query, 4 2nd level 
> queries,  12 3rd level queries, and 2 4th level queries.  All told for 
> this simple tree I will have issued 19 queries.  If I have a tierlevel 
>  I can issue 1 query per allowable tier which would be 4 queries in all 
> for a max 4 tierdepth tree.  This would be the same no matter how many 
> items I have in the tree, nor how many children etc.

You can do this without the tierlevel by building dynamic queries of
the form:

(sorry, I forgot your table/column names)

# get the top list first

select node_id, name from tree where parent_id = 0;

# get the results and build list x,y,z of those nodes
# then query for the nodes which have those nodes as parents

select node_id, parent_id, name from tree where parent_id in (x,y,z);

# and so forth.


-- 
				- Adam

-----
Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
http://www.adamfields.com


From sailer at bnl.gov  Wed Oct 16 16:45:46 2002
From: sailer at bnl.gov (Tim Sailer)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:45:46 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
In-Reply-To: <200210162016.g9GKGaWM016725@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210162016.g9GKGaWM016725@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021016204546.GA23019@bnl.gov>

On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 04:16:36PM -0400, Jim Hendricks wrote:
> That's what I'm doing now, but in order to build the whole tree requires 
> multiple queries with this design. My latest idea is to add a tierlevel 
> field so I won't have to issue a query for parentID = 0 ( top level ) 
> then iterate this result & generate a query for parentID = the id of the 
> row we are on in top level etc. right on down the line.  If I have 4 top 
> level projects each with 3 sub projects and 1 of the subprojects have 2 
> subprojects this would require issuing 1 toplevel query, 4 2nd level 
> queries,  12 3rd level queries, and 2 4th level queries.  All told for 
> this simple tree I will have issued 19 queries.  If I have a tierlevel 

Those of you (if any) from a manufacturing background will see this as
the way a Bill of Materials (BOM) is built for a product. A product is
built from subassemblies, which are built from either other subs or
individual components (greatly simplified). This is a tried and tested
way of building trees.

Tim

-- 
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Application Services
Information Technology Division
Brookhaven National Laboratory  (631) 344-3001


From fields at surgam.net  Wed Oct 16 16:53:31 2002
From: fields at surgam.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:53:31 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
In-Reply-To: <200210162022.g9GKMBWM016746@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210162022.g9GKMBWM016746@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021016205331.GK23049@eye.surgam.net>

On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 04:22:11PM -0400, Jim Hendricks wrote:
> Adam Fields wrote:
> 
> >I'd wrap a class around the whole thing. Use that class to broker
> >reads and writes to the tree table. Add a "changed" timestamp to the
> >tree, and have a read from the class only reload the tree from the
> >database if it's changed since the last read. Stash the object in the
> >session for reuse, or serialize it to another table (or file, or
> >whatever) for quick retrieval.
> >  
> >
> I don't know about the class thing since it adds a level of complexity 
> to the code that I don't know
> if it's waranted.  

I would argue that this will actually make the majority of your code
simpler, because you're encapsulating the complexity. :)

I'm the first to admit that classes aren't appropriate for everything,
but they're the right approach for this kind of stuff.

I'd do something like this:

class tree {
      var nodemap;
      # and whatever else you want

      function tree () {
      # maybe some init code
      }

      function get_tree () {
      # check if tree has changed or isn't populated yet
      # if yes to either, get tree from db
      # otherwise, maybe get tree from intermediate storage if you're
      doing that

      }

      function save_tree () {
      # write tree to db
      }

      function store_tree () {
      # write tree to intermediate storage
      }

      function render_tree () {
      # if tree isn't populated, get tree
      # output tree html or tree values or whatever
      }
      
      function get_tree_values () {
      # return raw node data for the tree
      }
}

Then, in your page:

$mytree = new tree();
$mytree->render_tree();
or
$mytree->get_tree_values();

> I do like the idea of caching the tree though.  I 
> would cache it in the DB so that the
> tree does not need to be generated at all when the request to display it 
> occurs.  The tree would
> be regenerated everytime a change occurs to the underlying data ( which 
> is a low volume data set )
> This may not be a good idea for items that have a higher change velocity.

While I wouldn't advocate this approach for something that changes
once a minute or so, if it changes less than once an hour, this will
probably still result in a performance gain, and it will be easier to
maintain.

-- 
				- Adam

-----
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Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
http://www.adamfields.com


From zaunere at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 16 17:13:53 2002
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:13:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
In-Reply-To: <200210161712.g9GHCNWM016368@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021016211353.63128.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Jim Hendricks <jim at bizcomputinginc.com> wrote:
> I know this is a SQL question, but since most apps deal with SQL, I 
> figured I'ld ask here since the app is using PHP and MySQL.
> 
> I have a table that establishes an entity that may have a parent from
> the same table.  I would like to display the data in a tree format
> where all items with a ParentID of 0 ( no parent ) are listed with
> children indented under the parent.

As pointed out Oracle has this with the CONNECT TO method.  Alas, this
is one of the biggest misses in MySQL (IMO).

> The nesting can be infinite, but realistically will only be 2 or 3
> levels deep.  I can see how to do this through a whole series of
> queries, but can see how the performance of such a design could be
> very poor if there is a lot of items.

Sure, multiple queries would do it, and depending on the environment
may be the best way.  I've had to tackle similar problems, and found
that a single dynamically generated SQL query is often best.  If you
form the joins properly (LEFT JOIN table ON something=somethingelse)
you can match much of this functionality (I even use it for subselects,
and have only ran into a wall once).

In a for loop, bascially just join the table to itself (or to another
for that matter) with an incrementing aliased name and then set the
criteria at each level in the WHERE clause.  This is all Oracle's
CONNECT TO is doing behind the scenes - you can even maintain a counter
so you know how far each row is "indented."

Here's some code totally ripped from context that probably won't help
at all:

for( $i = 1; $i < count($keys); ++$i) {
   $tag = mysql_escape_string($keys[$i]);
   $select .= ",m$i.mid,m$i.R_mid,m$i.file,m$i.tag,m$i.title";
   $from .= " LEFT JOIN psite.map m$i ON m$i.R_mid=m".($i-1).".mid";
   $where .= " AND m$i.tag='$tag'";
}

$result = mysql_query("SELECT $select FROM $from WHERE $where", $DB);

H

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From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Wed Oct 16 17:32:45 2002
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks(Biz Computing))
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:32:45 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
References: <200210162040.g9GKeYWM016793@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DADDAFD.2090401@bizcomputinginc.com>

True, but then I would have to parse the result sets twice each, once to 
get the id's for the next level, the second time to
build the output display.

Adam Fields wrote:

>On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 04:16:36PM -0400, Jim Hendricks wrote:
>  
>
>>That's what I'm doing now, but in order to build the whole tree requires 
>>multiple queries with this design. My latest idea is to add a tierlevel 
>>field so I won't have to issue a query for parentID = 0 ( top level ) 
>>then iterate this result & generate a query for parentID = the id of the 
>>row we are on in top level etc. right on down the line.  If I have 4 top 
>>level projects each with 3 sub projects and 1 of the subprojects have 2 
>>subprojects this would require issuing 1 toplevel query, 4 2nd level 
>>queries,  12 3rd level queries, and 2 4th level queries.  All told for 
>>this simple tree I will have issued 19 queries.  If I have a tierlevel 
>> I can issue 1 query per allowable tier which would be 4 queries in all 
>>for a max 4 tierdepth tree.  This would be the same no matter how many 
>>items I have in the tree, nor how many children etc.
>>    
>>
>
>You can do this without the tierlevel by building dynamic queries of
>the form:
>
>(sorry, I forgot your table/column names)
>
># get the top list first
>
>select node_id, name from tree where parent_id = 0;
>
># get the results and build list x,y,z of those nodes
># then query for the nodes which have those nodes as parents
>
>select node_id, parent_id, name from tree where parent_id in (x,y,z);
>
># and so forth.
>
>
>  
>
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From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Wed Oct 16 17:37:46 2002
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks(Biz Computing))
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:37:46 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
References: <200210162046.g9GKkrWM016804@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DADDC2A.2010908@bizcomputinginc.com>

Yes, I've worked with manufacturing apps, more from the repair 
parts/refurb/warranty repair side.
The database we were working with back then wasn't SQL though it was 
relational.  This allowed
for some interesting permutations you can't do in SQL for trees.

Jim

Tim Sailer wrote:

>On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 04:16:36PM -0400, Jim Hendricks wrote:
>  
>
>>That's what I'm doing now, but in order to build the whole tree requires 
>>multiple queries with this design. My latest idea is to add a tierlevel 
>>field so I won't have to issue a query for parentID = 0 ( top level ) 
>>then iterate this result & generate a query for parentID = the id of the 
>>row we are on in top level etc. right on down the line.  If I have 4 top 
>>level projects each with 3 sub projects and 1 of the subprojects have 2 
>>subprojects this would require issuing 1 toplevel query, 4 2nd level 
>>queries,  12 3rd level queries, and 2 4th level queries.  All told for 
>>this simple tree I will have issued 19 queries.  If I have a tierlevel 
>>    
>>
>
>Those of you (if any) from a manufacturing background will see this as
>the way a Bill of Materials (BOM) is built for a product. A product is
>built from subassemblies, which are built from either other subs or
>individual components (greatly simplified). This is a tried and tested
>way of building trees.
>
>Tim
>
>  
>
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From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Wed Oct 16 17:40:45 2002
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks(Biz Computing))
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:40:45 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
References: <200210162053.g9GKrdWM016819@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DADDCDD.9010802@bizcomputinginc.com>

The other reason for avoiding this is my Host Provider would croak if I 
build too much in memory thus hogging the memory shared across many 
sites.  I avoid as much memory use as I can so when I really need it 
it's available.

Jim

Adam Fields wrote:

>On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 04:22:11PM -0400, Jim Hendricks wrote:
>  
>
>>Adam Fields wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I'd wrap a class around the whole thing. Use that class to broker
>>>reads and writes to the tree table. Add a "changed" timestamp to the
>>>tree, and have a read from the class only reload the tree from the
>>>database if it's changed since the last read. Stash the object in the
>>>session for reuse, or serialize it to another table (or file, or
>>>whatever) for quick retrieval.
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>I don't know about the class thing since it adds a level of complexity 
>>to the code that I don't know
>>if it's waranted.  
>>    
>>
>
>I would argue that this will actually make the majority of your code
>simpler, because you're encapsulating the complexity. :)
>
>I'm the first to admit that classes aren't appropriate for everything,
>but they're the right approach for this kind of stuff.
>
>I'd do something like this:
>
>class tree {
>      var nodemap;
>      # and whatever else you want
>
>      function tree () {
>      # maybe some init code
>      }
>
>      function get_tree () {
>      # check if tree has changed or isn't populated yet
>      # if yes to either, get tree from db
>      # otherwise, maybe get tree from intermediate storage if you're
>      doing that
>
>      }
>
>      function save_tree () {
>      # write tree to db
>      }
>
>      function store_tree () {
>      # write tree to intermediate storage
>      }
>
>      function render_tree () {
>      # if tree isn't populated, get tree
>      # output tree html or tree values or whatever
>      }
>      
>      function get_tree_values () {
>      # return raw node data for the tree
>      }
>}
>
>Then, in your page:
>
>$mytree = new tree();
>$mytree->render_tree();
>or
>$mytree->get_tree_values();
>
>  
>
>>I do like the idea of caching the tree though.  I 
>>would cache it in the DB so that the
>>tree does not need to be generated at all when the request to display it 
>>occurs.  The tree would
>>be regenerated everytime a change occurs to the underlying data ( which 
>>is a low volume data set )
>>This may not be a good idea for items that have a higher change velocity.
>>    
>>
>
>While I wouldn't advocate this approach for something that changes
>once a minute or so, if it changes less than once an hour, this will
>probably still result in a performance gain, and it will be easier to
>maintain.
>
>  
>




From zaunere at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 16 17:59:13 2002
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:59:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: Graphics with php
In-Reply-To: <200210162034.g9GKYmWM016773@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021016215913.57200.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com>


--- elvire dardier <nygini at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Hans,
> Yes, it is the only error that we get in our little
> script im.php: 
> 
> "Fatal error: Call to undefined function: imagepng()
> in im.php on line 9
> 
>  We tried using getimagesize() and some other
> gd_functions and they were found by php. 

Well that's a good sign at least.

> I do not exaclty understand what you mean by enabling
> PNG? We specified PNG directory with the option
> "--with" when configuring php. 

--with-gd=/path/to/gd  and  --with-png-dir=/path/to/png

(again, I haven't done this in ages, at may be dated info).

Do other image formats/more intensive functions work?  imagejpeg,
imageline, imagegd?

> What constants should be defined?

IMG_PNG, IMAGETYPE_PNG, etc

http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.image.php

Also, are things linked properly? I'm not sure off the cuff how Solaris
does all this, but ldconfig/nm/objdump/ar runs on libphp4.so or php the
binary might show something.



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New York PHP
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hans at nyphp.org

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From fields at surgam.net  Wed Oct 16 18:05:59 2002
From: fields at surgam.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:05:59 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
In-Reply-To: <200210162140.g9GLerWM016923@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210162140.g9GLerWM016923@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021016220558.GL23049@eye.surgam.net>

On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 05:40:53PM -0400, Jim Hendricks wrote:
> The other reason for avoiding this is my Host Provider would croak if I 
> build too much in memory thus hogging the memory shared across many 
> sites.  I avoid as much memory use as I can so when I really need it 
> it's available.

Seems reasonable. I don't know how much memory overhead the class
implementation adds. I wouldn't think too much. Anyone?

Even session variables aren't stored in memory though - they're
written out to temp space on disk (at least, that's how I read the
docs).

> Adam Fields wrote:
> 
> >On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 04:22:11PM -0400, Jim Hendricks wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>Adam Fields wrote:
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>I'd wrap a class around the whole thing. Use that class to broker
> >>>reads and writes to the tree table. Add a "changed" timestamp to the
> >>>tree, and have a read from the class only reload the tree from the
> >>>database if it's changed since the last read. Stash the object in the
> >>>session for reuse, or serialize it to another table (or file, or
> >>>whatever) for quick retrieval.
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>I don't know about the class thing since it adds a level of complexity 
> >>to the code that I don't know
> >>if it's waranted.  
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >I would argue that this will actually make the majority of your code
> >simpler, because you're encapsulating the complexity. :)
> >
> >I'm the first to admit that classes aren't appropriate for everything,
> >but they're the right approach for this kind of stuff.
> >
> >I'd do something like this:
> >
> >class tree {
> >      var nodemap;
> >      # and whatever else you want
> >
> >      function tree () {
> >      # maybe some init code
> >      }
> >
> >      function get_tree () {
> >      # check if tree has changed or isn't populated yet
> >      # if yes to either, get tree from db
> >      # otherwise, maybe get tree from intermediate storage if you're
> >      doing that
> >
> >      }
> >
> >      function save_tree () {
> >      # write tree to db
> >      }
> >
> >      function store_tree () {
> >      # write tree to intermediate storage
> >      }
> >
> >      function render_tree () {
> >      # if tree isn't populated, get tree
> >      # output tree html or tree values or whatever
> >      }
> >      
> >      function get_tree_values () {
> >      # return raw node data for the tree
> >      }
> >}
> >
> >Then, in your page:
> >
> >$mytree = new tree();
> >$mytree->render_tree();
> >or
> >$mytree->get_tree_values();
> >
> >  
> >
> >>I do like the idea of caching the tree though.  I 
> >>would cache it in the DB so that the
> >>tree does not need to be generated at all when the request to display it 
> >>occurs.  The tree would
> >>be regenerated everytime a change occurs to the underlying data ( which 
> >>is a low volume data set )
> >>This may not be a good idea for items that have a higher change velocity.
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >While I wouldn't advocate this approach for something that changes
> >once a minute or so, if it changes less than once an hour, this will
> >probably still result in a performance gain, and it will be easier to
> >maintain.
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 

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From max at idsociety.com  Wed Oct 16 18:39:24 2002
From: max at idsociety.com (max goldberg)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:39:24 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
References: <200210161712.g9GHCNWM016368@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DADEA9C.7080707@idsociety.com>

I wrote something similar to what you are describing for a personal 
project a while back. On the SQL side it's a pretty simple layout,
every record has a parent id, and from that I can figure out all the 
children by making a quick and dirty index before hand.

Check out (sorry if the url offends) 
http://www.fuck.org/~max/traverse.phps for the example
and http://www.fuck.org/~max/traverse.php for the output.

Sorry if the code is a bit dirty, it's kind of old. =)

-Max

Jim Hendricks wrote:
> I know this is a SQL question, but since most apps deal with SQL, I 
> figured I'ld ask here since the app is using PHP and MySQL.
> 
> I have a table that establishes an entity that may have a parent from 
> the same table.  I would like to display the data in a tree format where 
> all items with a ParentID of 0 ( no parent ) are listed with children 
> indented under the parent.  The nesting can be infinite, but 
> realistically will only be 2 or 3 levels deep.  I can see how to do this 
> through a whole series of queries, but can see how the performance of 
> such a design could be very poor if there is a lot of items.  Looking 
> for any ideas, even if they would require a table design mod to make the 
> queries simpler.  The current design is a single table with ID, and 
> ParentID and whatever other info needed for the item.
> 
> Thanks, Jim
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 



From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Wed Oct 16 19:25:58 2002
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks(Biz Computing))
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:25:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
References: <200210162241.g9GMf3WM017170@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DADF586.1000301@bizcomputinginc.com>

This looks to be a simple answer, question is how much memory does it 
consume when dealing with larger amounts of data.  By being able to draw 
the list directly from the result sets, the only memory you are 
consuming is the result set cache's which should not be the whole 
resultset, and the memory for caching the resulting page.  With this 
solution you have all the results held in memory twice, once for 
manipulation, the second for the display cache.

The other thing is for my use, the manipulation would also need to 
include a sort so that your data would display as:

Servers [ID 7] 
- Development [ID 8] 
- - Home Directories [ID 11] 
- Live [ID 10] 
- Staging [ID 9] 
Websites [ID 1] 
- mySQL.com [ID 3] 
- PHP.net [ID 2] 
- - Manual [ID 4] 
- - - Comments [ID 6] 
- - - Functions [ID 5] 

I'll have to look at this further, see if it might be the solution, or part of it.  Thanks.



max goldberg wrote:

>I wrote something similar to what you are describing for a personal 
>project a while back. On the SQL side it's a pretty simple layout,
>every record has a parent id, and from that I can figure out all the 
>children by making a quick and dirty index before hand.
>
>Check out (sorry if the url offends) 
>http://www.fuck.org/~max/traverse.phps for the example
>and http://www.fuck.org/~max/traverse.php for the output.
>
>Sorry if the code is a bit dirty, it's kind of old. =)
>
>-Max
>
>Jim Hendricks wrote:
>  
>
>>I know this is a SQL question, but since most apps deal with SQL, I 
>>figured I'ld ask here since the app is using PHP and MySQL.
>>
>>I have a table that establishes an entity that may have a parent from 
>>the same table.  I would like to display the data in a tree format where 
>>all items with a ParentID of 0 ( no parent ) are listed with children 
>>indented under the parent.  The nesting can be infinite, but 
>>realistically will only be 2 or 3 levels deep.  I can see how to do this 
>>through a whole series of queries, but can see how the performance of 
>>such a design could be very poor if there is a lot of items.  Looking 
>>for any ideas, even if they would require a table design mod to make the 
>>queries simpler.  The current design is a single table with ID, and 
>>ParentID and whatever other info needed for the item.
>>
>>Thanks, Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>
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From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Wed Oct 16 19:37:50 2002
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks(Biz Computing))
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:37:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
References: <200210162206.g9GM67WM017117@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DADF84E.5000306@bizcomputinginc.com>

Agreed that session variables aren't stored in memory between pages, but 
they are fully in memory for the life of every page while the session 
variable exists.  And as a session variable, the space would be consumed 
for each page currently being processed, so for 5 active connections, 
you would have 5 copies in memory.  I've seen discussion of a static 
memory area that can be used to simulate application scoped variables, 
but from what I've seen so far, that solution doesn't seem ready for 
primetime.  By storing the tree in a table, I eliminate the memory 
requirments, It would only be in memory when I need to display the tree 
& will build the display.  The table version of the tree would also be 
very simple since I don't need any linking information, just a key field 
to ensure the proper sortation, and depth indicator so I know how far to 
indent or what graphics to display etc.  

Lastly, from a memory standpoint, I have been burned too many times by 
knowing I work within a constrained environment but then design with 
false assumptions.  Here the assumption is that the memory for the class 
is not that much and that the total size of the tree will not be that 
great.  The first assumption could be answered by the php team, or 
someone else familure with the php memory model and therefore would no 
longer be an assumption.  The second assumption cannot be answered 
without putting a limit on the number of total items to be handled. 
 Putting a limit then creates the next assumption and that is choosing a 
limit everyone can live with for the life of the app ( with the 
assumption as to how long that life is ).  All these assumptions scare 
the crap out of me as a professional software developer because Mr. 
Murphy will screw me in the end.

Please don't take this as a flame, I think you have a great idea, just 
not an idea I think will fit in with what I am comfortable with.

Jim

Adam Fields wrote:

>On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 05:40:53PM -0400, Jim Hendricks wrote:
>  
>
>>The other reason for avoiding this is my Host Provider would croak if I 
>>build too much in memory thus hogging the memory shared across many 
>>sites.  I avoid as much memory use as I can so when I really need it 
>>it's available.
>>    
>>
>
>Seems reasonable. I don't know how much memory overhead the class
>implementation adds. I wouldn't think too much. Anyone?
>
>Even session variables aren't stored in memory though - they're
>written out to temp space on disk (at least, that's how I read the
>docs).
>
>  
>
>>Adam Fields wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 04:22:11PM -0400, Jim Hendricks wrote:
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Adam Fields wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>I'd wrap a class around the whole thing. Use that class to broker
>>>>>reads and writes to the tree table. Add a "changed" timestamp to the
>>>>>tree, and have a read from the class only reload the tree from the
>>>>>database if it's changed since the last read. Stash the object in the
>>>>>session for reuse, or serialize it to another table (or file, or
>>>>>whatever) for quick retrieval.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>I don't know about the class thing since it adds a level of complexity 
>>>>to the code that I don't know
>>>>if it's waranted.  
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>I would argue that this will actually make the majority of your code
>>>simpler, because you're encapsulating the complexity. :)
>>>
>>>I'm the first to admit that classes aren't appropriate for everything,
>>>but they're the right approach for this kind of stuff.
>>>
>>>I'd do something like this:
>>>
>>>class tree {
>>>     var nodemap;
>>>     # and whatever else you want
>>>
>>>     function tree () {
>>>     # maybe some init code
>>>     }
>>>
>>>     function get_tree () {
>>>     # check if tree has changed or isn't populated yet
>>>     # if yes to either, get tree from db
>>>     # otherwise, maybe get tree from intermediate storage if you're
>>>     doing that
>>>
>>>     }
>>>
>>>     function save_tree () {
>>>     # write tree to db
>>>     }
>>>
>>>     function store_tree () {
>>>     # write tree to intermediate storage
>>>     }
>>>
>>>     function render_tree () {
>>>     # if tree isn't populated, get tree
>>>     # output tree html or tree values or whatever
>>>     }
>>>     
>>>     function get_tree_values () {
>>>     # return raw node data for the tree
>>>     }
>>>}
>>>
>>>Then, in your page:
>>>
>>>$mytree = new tree();
>>>$mytree->render_tree();
>>>or
>>>$mytree->get_tree_values();
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>I do like the idea of caching the tree though.  I 
>>>>would cache it in the DB so that the
>>>>tree does not need to be generated at all when the request to display it 
>>>>occurs.  The tree would
>>>>be regenerated everytime a change occurs to the underlying data ( which 
>>>>is a low volume data set )
>>>>This may not be a good idea for items that have a higher change velocity.
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>While I wouldn't advocate this approach for something that changes
>>>once a minute or so, if it changes less than once an hour, this will
>>>probably still result in a performance gain, and it will be easier to
>>>maintain.
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
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From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Wed Oct 16 19:45:32 2002
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks(Biz Computing))
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:45:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
References: <200210162113.g9GLDwWM016870@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DADFA1C.4050101@bizcomputinginc.com>

>
>
>Sure, multiple queries would do it, and depending on the environment
>may be the best way.  I've had to tackle similar problems, and found
>that a single dynamically generated SQL query is often best.  If you
>form the joins properly (LEFT JOIN table ON something=somethingelse)
>you can match much of this functionality (I even use it for subselects,
>and have only ran into a wall once).
>
>In a for loop, bascially just join the table to itself (or to another
>for that matter) with an incrementing aliased name and then set the
>criteria at each level in the WHERE clause.  This is all Oracle's
>CONNECT TO is doing behind the scenes - you can even maintain a counter
>so you know how far each row is "indented."
>
>Here's some code totally ripped from context that probably won't help
>at all:
>
>for( $i = 1; $i < count($keys); ++$i) {
>   $tag = mysql_escape_string($keys[$i]);
>   $select .= ",m$i.mid,m$i.R_mid,m$i.file,m$i.tag,m$i.title";
>   $from .= " LEFT JOIN psite.map m$i ON m$i.R_mid=m".($i-1).".mid";
>   $where .= " AND m$i.tag='$tag'";
>}
>
>$result = mysql_query("SELECT $select FROM $from WHERE $where", $DB);
>  
>
I wouldn't say it's useless ( at least not yet ;-)  ) I just don't have 
the mental capacity left after a day banging on my keyboard, I'll have 
to look at this with a fresh brain ( how do you get one of those anyway? )

My initial knee-jerk response is how do I get what I want through JOINS? 
 That may allow me to connect records together, but in my case I'm 
looking to order the data in a strange ( at least to SQL )way. Unless 
you are looking to create a derived record which contains a string 
encapsulating the whole branch.  If that's the case, then I question 
what the performance would be to parse the results into a displayable 
format.

Jim




From fields at surgam.net  Wed Oct 16 19:48:34 2002
From: fields at surgam.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:48:34 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
In-Reply-To: <200210162241.g9GMf3WM017170@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210162241.g9GMf3WM017170@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021016234834.GB22881@eye.surgam.net>

On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 06:41:03PM -0400, max goldberg wrote:
> I wrote something similar to what you are describing for a personal 
> project a while back. On the SQL side it's a pretty simple layout,
> every record has a parent id, and from that I can figure out all the 
> children by making a quick and dirty index before hand.
> 
> Check out (sorry if the url offends) 
> http://www.fuck.org/~max/traverse.phps for the example
> and http://www.fuck.org/~max/traverse.php for the output.
> 
> Sorry if the code is a bit dirty, it's kind of old. =)

What did you use to generate the source listing?

-- 
				- Adam

-----
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Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
http://www.adamfields.com


From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Wed Oct 16 19:52:11 2002
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks(Biz Computing))
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:52:11 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
References: <200210162053.g9GKrdWM016819@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DADFBAB.2000900@bizcomputinginc.com>

>
>
>>I don't know about the class thing since it adds a level of complexity 
>>to the code that I don't know
>>if it's waranted.  
>>    
>>
>
>I would argue that this will actually make the majority of your code
>simpler, because you're encapsulating the complexity. :)
>
>I'm the first to admit that classes aren't appropriate for everything,
>but they're the right approach for this kind of stuff.
>  
>

Yeah, your right.  Sometimes though encapsulation can be a bad thing 
though when it hides too much and you have to pull your hair out later 
trying to figure out what the heck you did.  There's still too much 
procedural coding in my blood that avoids OOP unless I have to ( as is 
the case with Java ).  In the case of Java and C++, I preceive that the 
performance of the VM/runtime would be better if you were to drop the 
OOP and just go with good old procedural code.  Granted procedural code 
can be messy, but an experienced coder should be able to write modular 
proc code to rival OOP.  Just my own old fart ( 19 years in the business 
I guess qualifies for old fartism in the IT world even though I'm only 
37 ) biased opinion probably not worth admitting!

Jim
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From mjdewitt at alexcommgrp.com  Wed Oct 16 19:58:54 2002
From: mjdewitt at alexcommgrp.com (DeWitt, Michael)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:58:54 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Seeking recommendations for resources on LAMP be
	st practices
Message-ID: <BCF799A6B63DD411985D00805F9F903341E80F@mail.alexcommgrp.com>

	Thanks Tim for the insight.  I can see that this is going to take
some re-architecting of my sites.  Perhaps there is a php library around
which does the database abstraction along with checking for redundent
databases in case of primary failure.  I will look around and see what I can
find and post back to the group if anyone is interested.

	Mike

	Tim said:

On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 11:17:00AM -0400, DeWitt, Michael wrote:
> 	3. what is the best way to setup and maintain a backup "hot"
> apache/mysql server? 
> 
> 	Can this be practically done with standard linux installs and the
> capabilites of the OS and server daemons?

The way I do this is first, get two web servers running, configured
identical. Keeping them that way can be a chore, but that's another
question.
Use rsync between them to keep your content current. One hole this leaves
is log files, which, to e-commerce sites, may be more important than
content, so I'd look at mysql logging from apache, os that ilk. Mysql
is simple. You can set up 2 replicated servers, but the best way
is to have 3 servers, with the master being where all the writes are
going, and replicated to the slaves, where the reads are done. Now, in
your database code, when you try to attach to your primary slave server,
if that fails, simply try to attach to your 'hot spare' server.

I know this is Perl and LDAP, but it will work the same way in PHP/Mysql.
I just happen to have this code open in my editor:

$ldap=Net::LDAP->new('ldapA.bnl.gov') or
$ldap=Net::LDAP->new('ldapB.bnl.gov') or
$ldap=Net::LDAP->new('ldapC.bnl.gov') or die "$@";

This way, one call should almost always yield a database connection.

Tim

-- 
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Application Services
Information Technology Division
Brookhaven National Laboratory  (631) 344-3001


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From max at idsociety.com  Wed Oct 16 20:40:04 2002
From: max at idsociety.com (max at idsociety.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 20:40:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
In-Reply-To: <200210162348.g9GNmpWM017260@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210162348.g9GNmpWM017260@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <1765.68.36.91.141.1034815204.squirrel@webmail.idsociety.com>

Added the line:

AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps

in my apache conf. it's built into php.

> On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 06:41:03PM -0400, max goldberg wrote:
>> I wrote something similar to what you are describing for a personal
>> project a while back. On the SQL side it's a pretty simple layout,
>> every record has a parent id, and from that I can figure out all the
>> children by making a quick and dirty index before hand.
>>
>> Check out (sorry if the url offends)
>> http://www.fuck.org/~max/traverse.phps for the example
>> and http://www.fuck.org/~max/traverse.php for the output.
>>
>> Sorry if the code is a bit dirty, it's kind of old. =)
>
> What did you use to generate the source listing?
>
> --
> 				- Adam
>
> -----
> Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
> Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
> delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
> http://www.adamfields.com
>
>
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From max at idsociety.com  Wed Oct 16 20:52:15 2002
From: max at idsociety.com (max at idsociety.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 20:52:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
In-Reply-To: <200210162326.g9GNQ8WM017219@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210162326.g9GNQ8WM017219@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <1817.68.36.91.141.1034815935.squirrel@webmail.idsociety.com>

I updated the code/source to show a small fix I made which basically
allows you to add a SQL restraint for ordering. So by adding ORDER BY name
ASC it will return the results you said below. How much data are you
talking about? If memory is that big of an issue you may look into caching
the results of your script and only update it when changes are made.
-Max

> This looks to be a simple answer, question is how much memory does it
> consume when dealing with larger amounts of data.  By being able to
> draw  the list directly from the result sets, the only memory you are
> consuming is the result set cache's which should not be the whole
> resultset, and the memory for caching the resulting page.  With this
> solution you have all the results held in memory twice, once for
> manipulation, the second for the display cache.
>
> The other thing is for my use, the manipulation would also need to
> include a sort so that your data would display as:
>
> Servers [ID 7]
> - Development [ID 8]
> - - Home Directories [ID 11]
> - Live [ID 10]
> - Staging [ID 9]
> Websites [ID 1]
> - mySQL.com [ID 3]
> - PHP.net [ID 2]
> - - Manual [ID 4]
> - - - Comments [ID 6]
> - - - Functions [ID 5]
>
> I'll have to look at this further, see if it might be the solution, or
> part of it.  Thanks.
>
>
>
> max goldberg wrote:
>
>>I wrote something similar to what you are describing for a personal
>>project a while back. On the SQL side it's a pretty simple layout,
>>every record has a parent id, and from that I can figure out all the
>>children by making a quick and dirty index before hand.
>>
>>Check out (sorry if the url offends)
>>http://www.fuck.org/~max/traverse.phps for the example
>>and http://www.fuck.org/~max/traverse.php for the output.
>>
>>Sorry if the code is a bit dirty, it's kind of old. =)
>>
>>-Max
>>
>>Jim Hendricks wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I know this is a SQL question, but since most apps deal with SQL, I
>>>figured I'ld ask here since the app is using PHP and MySQL.
>>>
>>>I have a table that establishes an entity that may have a parent from
>>>the same table.  I would like to display the data in a tree format
>>>where  all items with a ParentID of 0 ( no parent ) are listed with
>>>children  indented under the parent.  The nesting can be infinite, but
>>>
>>>realistically will only be 2 or 3 levels deep.  I can see how to do
>>>this  through a whole series of queries, but can see how the
>>>performance of  such a design could be very poor if there is a lot of
>>>items.  Looking  for any ideas, even if they would require a table
>>>design mod to make the  queries simpler.  The current design is a
>>>single table with ID, and  ParentID and whatever other info needed for
>>>the item.
>>>
>>>Thanks, Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---





From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Wed Oct 16 22:09:26 2002
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks(Biz Computing))
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:09:26 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
References: <200210162040.g9GKeYWM016793@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DAE1BD6.7070503@bizcomputinginc.com>

>
>
>You can do this without the tierlevel by building dynamic queries of
>the form:
>
Would the resultant SQL perform as well as a straight "SELECT * FROM 
mytable WHERE tierLevel=4"?






From fields at surgam.net  Wed Oct 16 22:23:54 2002
From: fields at surgam.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:23:54 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
In-Reply-To: <200210162338.g9GNc0WM017235@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210162338.g9GNc0WM017235@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021017022354.GD22881@eye.surgam.net>

On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 07:38:00PM -0400, Jim Hendricks wrote:
> Agreed that session variables aren't stored in memory between pages, but 
> they are fully in memory for the life of every page while the session 
> variable exists.  And as a session variable, the space would be consumed 
> for each page currently being processed, so for 5 active connections, 
> you would have 5 copies in memory.  I've seen discussion of a static 
> memory area that can be used to simulate application scoped variables, 
> but from what I've seen so far, that solution doesn't seem ready for 
> primetime.  By storing the tree in a table, I eliminate the memory 
> requirments, It would only be in memory when I need to display the tree 
> & will build the display.  The table version of the tree would also be 
> very simple since I don't need any linking information, just a key field 
> to ensure the proper sortation, and depth indicator so I know how far to 
> indent or what graphics to display etc.  

Because there are no application scope variables or the like, I don't
think the decision of whether you do this with classes is mutually
exclusive with the above. You could wrap a class around it, and
serialize/deserialize the tree class to the database as easily as you
could (more easily, in fact, since PHP includes an object
serialization routine, if you wanted to go that route) with straight
db access. Anyway, I think we've beaten this one to death. Good luck!

> Lastly, from a memory standpoint, I have been burned too many times by 
> knowing I work within a constrained environment but then design with 
> false assumptions.  Here the assumption is that the memory for the class 
> is not that much and that the total size of the tree will not be that 
> great.  The first assumption could be answered by the php team, or 
> someone else familure with the php memory model and therefore would no 
> longer be an assumption.  The second assumption cannot be answered 
> without putting a limit on the number of total items to be handled. 
>  Putting a limit then creates the next assumption and that is choosing a 
> limit everyone can live with for the life of the app ( with the 
> assumption as to how long that life is ).  All these assumptions scare 
> the crap out of me as a professional software developer because Mr. 
> Murphy will screw me in the end.
> 
> Please don't take this as a flame, I think you have a great idea, just 
> not an idea I think will fit in with what I am comfortable with.

Nope. Just enjoying the discussion.

> Adam Fields wrote:
> 
> >On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 05:40:53PM -0400, Jim Hendricks wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>The other reason for avoiding this is my Host Provider would croak if I 
> >>build too much in memory thus hogging the memory shared across many 
> >>sites.  I avoid as much memory use as I can so when I really need it 
> >>it's available.
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >Seems reasonable. I don't know how much memory overhead the class
> >implementation adds. I wouldn't think too much. Anyone?
> >
> >Even session variables aren't stored in memory though - they're
> >written out to temp space on disk (at least, that's how I read the
> >docs).
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Adam Fields wrote:
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 04:22:11PM -0400, Jim Hendricks wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>Adam Fields wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>>>I'd wrap a class around the whole thing. Use that class to broker
> >>>>>reads and writes to the tree table. Add a "changed" timestamp to the
> >>>>>tree, and have a read from the class only reload the tree from the
> >>>>>database if it's changed since the last read. Stash the object in the
> >>>>>session for reuse, or serialize it to another table (or file, or
> >>>>>whatever) for quick retrieval.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     
> >>>>>
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>
> >>>>I don't know about the class thing since it adds a level of complexity 
> >>>>to the code that I don't know
> >>>>if it's waranted.  
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>I would argue that this will actually make the majority of your code
> >>>simpler, because you're encapsulating the complexity. :)
> >>>
> >>>I'm the first to admit that classes aren't appropriate for everything,
> >>>but they're the right approach for this kind of stuff.
> >>>
> >>>I'd do something like this:
> >>>
> >>>class tree {
> >>>     var nodemap;
> >>>     # and whatever else you want
> >>>
> >>>     function tree () {
> >>>     # maybe some init code
> >>>     }
> >>>
> >>>     function get_tree () {
> >>>     # check if tree has changed or isn't populated yet
> >>>     # if yes to either, get tree from db
> >>>     # otherwise, maybe get tree from intermediate storage if you're
> >>>     doing that
> >>>
> >>>     }
> >>>
> >>>     function save_tree () {
> >>>     # write tree to db
> >>>     }
> >>>
> >>>     function store_tree () {
> >>>     # write tree to intermediate storage
> >>>     }
> >>>
> >>>     function render_tree () {
> >>>     # if tree isn't populated, get tree
> >>>     # output tree html or tree values or whatever
> >>>     }
> >>>     
> >>>     function get_tree_values () {
> >>>     # return raw node data for the tree
> >>>     }
> >>>}
> >>>
> >>>Then, in your page:
> >>>
> >>>$mytree = new tree();
> >>>$mytree->render_tree();
> >>>or
> >>>$mytree->get_tree_values();
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>I do like the idea of caching the tree though.  I 
> >>>>would cache it in the DB so that the
> >>>>tree does not need to be generated at all when the request to display it 
> >>>>occurs.  The tree would
> >>>>be regenerated everytime a change occurs to the underlying data ( which 
> >>>>is a low volume data set )
> >>>>This may not be a good idea for items that have a higher change velocity.
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>While I wouldn't advocate this approach for something that changes
> >>>once a minute or so, if it changes less than once an hour, this will
> >>>probably still result in a performance gain, and it will be easier to
> >>>maintain.
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
> 
> 

-- 
				- Adam

-----
Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
http://www.adamfields.com


From fields at surgam.net  Wed Oct 16 22:37:16 2002
From: fields at surgam.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:37:16 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
In-Reply-To: <200210170209.g9H29aWM017490@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210170209.g9H29aWM017490@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021017023716.GE22881@eye.surgam.net>

On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 10:09:36PM -0400, Jim Hendricks wrote:
> >
> >
> >You can do this without the tierlevel by building dynamic queries of
> >the form:
> >
> Would the resultant SQL perform as well as a straight "SELECT * FROM 
> mytable WHERE tierLevel=4"?

I don't know what kind of query optimization mysql does, but I'd
suspect not. Even still, you have some extra processing in PHP between
the queries.

However, if performance is your goal, I'd say you should be looking at
HTML caching instead, and not generating the page afresh on each view.


-- 
				- Adam

-----
Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
http://www.adamfields.com


From fields at surgam.net  Wed Oct 16 23:01:46 2002
From: fields at surgam.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:01:46 -0500
Subject: OOP (Was: Re: [nycphp-talk] Building trees)
In-Reply-To: <200210162352.g9GNqLWM017271@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210162352.g9GNqLWM017271@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021017030146.GF22881@eye.surgam.net>

On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 07:52:21PM -0400, Jim Hendricks wrote:
> Yeah, your right.  Sometimes though encapsulation can be a bad thing 
> though when it hides too much and you have to pull your hair out later 
> trying to figure out what the heck you did.  There's still too much 
> procedural coding in my blood that avoids OOP unless I have to ( as is 
> the case with Java ).  In the case of Java and C++, I preceive that the 
> performance of the VM/runtime would be better if you were to drop the 
> OOP and just go with good old procedural code.  Granted procedural code 
> can be messy, but an experienced coder should be able to write modular 
> proc code to rival OOP.  Just my own old fart ( 19 years in the business 
> I guess qualifies for old fartism in the IT world even though I'm only 
> 37 ) biased opinion probably not worth admitting!

I've been concentrating recently on building reusable components and
frameworks. While this is doable with procedural code, having object
handling makes some of it much easier. In PHP, the lack of private and
protected entities makes this more a syntactical issue than true
encapsulation.

I do, however, find that even the illusion of encapsulation tends to
encourage better code organization.

-- 
				- Adam

-----
Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
http://www.adamfields.com


From sharpwit at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 17 06:13:52 2002
From: sharpwit at hotmail.com ((kris)janis p gale)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 06:13:52 -0400
Subject: displaying a tree defined by one table
Message-ID: <OE52LTrpwACkWHZqYW8000015ba@hotmail.com>

the trees thread made me realize it was a topic near and dear to my heart, since way-back-when i had devoted pretty much an entire day's research-and-development effort towards devising a method of not only creating an arbitrarily-deep tree structure using a single self-referencing table, but also be able to traverse such a structure with relative ease...

my development environment at the time was a windows nt box running coldfusion and access as a db -- so recursion was NOT an option, not only because coldfusion doesn't even support recursion, but also due to the total lack of resources on that puny development box...

call me crazy, but i actually Enjoy developing iterative algorithms for problems that usually lend themselves to recursion, especially when even brainstorming such an iterative solution would send most developers screaming out the door in search of fresh air and daylight.

anyways, porting my coldfusion script to php proved extremely rudimentary.

i created a basic table for this exercise, called "test"
it has three fields -- id [int], parent_id [int], and name [varchar(64)]
there's an index on id (primary) and parent_id

contents of "test":

id, parent_id, name

3, 0, primary1
2, 0, primary2
1, 0, primary3
5, 3, secondary1
6, 3, secondary2
4, 1, secondary3
7, 5, tertiary1
8, 4, tertiary2
9, 4, tertiary3


my assumption here is that
a top-level item's parent_id is to be zero.
(i could have just as easily used NULL.)


the code to display this tree:
----


<?php

$mc = mysql_connect("localhost") or die("!mysql_connect");
$md = mysql_select_db("mysql",$mc) or die("!mysql_select_db");

$mq = mysql_query("SELECT id, parent_id, name FROM test ORDER BY name") or die("!mysql_query");
$nrows = mysql_num_rows($mq);

$data = array_fill(0,$nrows,NULL);
$n = 0;
while($mfa = mysql_fetch_array($mq,MYSQL_ASSOC))
 $data[$n++] = $mfa;

mysql_free_result($mq);
mysql_close($mc);

$id_list = array();
$row_list = array();
$depth_list = array();

for($n = 0 ; $n < $nrows ; $n++)
 if($data[$n]["parent_id"] == 0)
 { array_push($id_list,$data[$n]["id"]);
  array_push($row_list,$n);
  array_push($depth_list,0);
 }

while(count($id_list) < $nrows)
{ $id_temp = array();
 $row_temp = array();
 $depth_temp = array();
 for($i = 0 ; $i < count($id_list) ; $i++)
 { $id = $id_list[$i];
  $row = $row_list[$i];
  $depth = $depth_list[$i];
  array_push($id_temp,$id);
  array_push($row_temp,$row);
  array_push($depth_temp,$depth);
  for($j = 0 ; $j < $nrows ; $j++)
   if(($data[$j]["parent_id"] == $id)
   && (array_search($data[$j]["id"],$id_list) == NULL))
   { array_push($id_temp,$data[$j]["id"]);
    array_push($row_temp,$j);
    array_push($depth_temp,$depth + 1);
   }
 }
 $id_list = $id_temp;
 $row_list = $row_temp;
 $depth_list = $depth_temp;
}

print('<pre>');
for($n = 0 ; $n < $nrows ; $n++)
 print(str_repeat("----",$depth_list[$n]) . $data[$row_list[$n]]["name"] . '<br>');
print('</pre>');

?>


----
the useful variables created by the end result of this code
is three arrays...

$nrows
number of rows in your dataset

$data[][]
contains the entirety of your data, in a two-dimensional array

$row_list[]
a single dimentional array that you'll use to index rows
of $data in tree-order, not in alphabetical or row-order
(see the very end of the above code to see what i mean)

$depth_list[]
the depth of each item in the tree, in tree-order
(see above how i used this variable to indent
the displayed item to show its depth in the tree)

----

see the code in action:
http://krisgale.com/code/tree.php

----

incidentally, anyone have a job for me?
i truly miss solid development work like this...
(database-driven web applications is my fort?)

my resum?:
http://krisgale.com/work/kpg_resume.gif


regards,
- kris gale

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From smanes at magpie.com  Thu Oct 17 07:43:48 2002
From: smanes at magpie.com (Steve Manes)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:43:48 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
In-Reply-To: <200210161712.g9GHCNWM016368@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20021017073254.01256520@192.168.111.6>

At 01:12 PM 10/16/2002 -0400, Jim Hendricks wrote:
>I know this is a SQL question, but since most apps deal with SQL, I
>figured I'ld ask here since the app is using PHP and MySQL.
>
>I have a table that establishes an entity that may have a parent from
>the same table.  I would like to display the data in a tree format where
>all items with a ParentID of 0 ( no parent ) are listed with children
>indented under the parent.  The nesting can be infinite, but
>realistically will only be 2 or 3 levels deep.  I can see how to do this
>through a whole series of queries, but can see how the performance of
>such a design could be very poor if there is a lot of items.

SQL deals in result sets and is unfortunately not a good tool for working 
with directed graphs, of which trees are one such data structure.  I've 
been working casually on this for a couple of years without much 
success.  There are alternative methods of representing trees in SQL as 
nested sets, or at least it's possible in Oracle.  But it's not 
pretty.  Here's a Joe Celko article I've archived, which is the best I've 
found on the topic of generating trees with SQL:

http://www.dbmsmag.com/9603d06.html





From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Thu Oct 17 07:51:15 2002
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks(Biz Computing))
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:51:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
References: <200210170237.g9H2bYWM017538@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DAEA433.1030308@bizcomputinginc.com>

>
>
>However, if performance is your goal, I'd say you should be looking at
>HTML caching instead, and not generating the page afresh on each view.
>

performance isn't my goal other than the general attempt to choose the 
best performing solution within all the other constraints. When I was 
project lead on many projects at my old business, it saddened me to see 
how many programmers forget that performance needs to be a thought in 
everything we do lest we produce a great solution but a cludge on 
resources and performance.  Without performance as a backthought in all 
your decisions, you can also produce a great solution in testing but 
performs horibly when put under load, or when the load grows as most 
businesses hope.

So far, the performance of my app is stunning, and this is over the web. 
 I've been very happy with the performance of PHP when it comes to page 
building.





From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Thu Oct 17 08:18:53 2002
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks(Biz Computing))
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:18:53 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OOP
References: <200210170302.g9H323WM017585@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DAEAAAD.50408@bizcomputinginc.com>

>
>
>I've been concentrating recently on building reusable components and
>frameworks. While this is doable with procedural code, having object
>handling makes some of it much easier. In PHP, the lack of private and
>protected entities makes this more a syntactical issue than true
>encapsulation.
>
>I do, however, find that even the illusion of encapsulation tends to
>encourage better code organization.
>
reusable modules are always your best candidate for OOP.  In this 
situation, the implementation details are only important at the time of 
module development or improvement.  For the consumer of the module, the 
interface is all that matters.  And yes, your right, this can also be 
done with procedural code, you produce your module as a seperate file, 
each procedure's call interface clearly documented, all data passed as 
procedure arguments.

There's also no argument from me that OOP encourages better code 
organization.  With procedural code you can make a real mess, OOP 
provides the organizational framework so your potential for a mess is 
lower.  I don't want to sound all doom and gloom on OOP, but I don't 
think it really is all that it's hyped up to be.  If I could get the 
same performance out of OOP code as I can out of proc code, I wouldn't 
care.  It just seems that OOP has become the be all and end all of 
development in most developers minds without even questioning it's 
benefit or seeing it's downside.  I also don't like a half implemented 
OOP.  I was first introed to OOP in the early days of PowerBuilder.  I 
had an acedemic understanding of OOP from C++, but PB was where I got my 
feet wet.  I initially produced some pretty nasty code, mostly because 
PB allowed both proc code and OOP.  It took a while for me to realize 
that with OOP, the more OOPish my code, the more I would reap the 
benefits of OOP.  By the time I got into Java, I had it down pat, and 
loved the fact that Java forced me all OOP so I couldn't get careless 
and go back to the half breed code I was originally producing in PB.

I guess in the case of PHP, as with ASP/JavaScript/VBScript, I don't 
like the OOP/proc mix.  I guess I also don't like a half implemented OOP 
where key features of OOP are missing.  I've only been working with PHP 
for about a year now and only the past 6 months or so with real 
development.  I also don't have any paying projects yet in PHP so my PHP 
time is only a fraction of my dev time.  I have yet to really dive into 
the OOP side of PHP so you never know, I might find I like it and flip 
all my stuff over to OOP.  I do know that I have some stuff in my 
existing app that could really benefit from inheritance.






From babacar at omnet.sn  Thu Oct 17 08:55:15 2002
From: babacar at omnet.sn (Babacar Mbaye)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:55:15 +0000
Subject: Pay application in PHP?
Message-ID: <1034859315.3daeb333e6e3f@www.omnet.sn>

Hi,
Do you know any application written in Php which can manage the wages of 
workers in a Small Company.
Thanks!

-- Babacar Mbaye

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From brian at preston-campbell.com  Thu Oct 17 09:53:57 2002
From: brian at preston-campbell.com (Preston-Campbell)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:53:57 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Pay application in PHP?
References: <200210171244.g9HCigWM018503@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000901c275e4$a47acde0$0100a8c0@brian>

Not sure if this will do it, but found on Hotscripts.
http://epayroll.sourceforge.net/
May be overkill if you only need to track wages / labor costs.

Brian


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From: "Babacar Mbaye" <babacar at omnet.sn>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 8:44 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Pay application in PHP?


> Hi,
> Do you know any application written in Php which can manage the wages of 
> workers in a Small Company.
> Thanks!
> 
> -- Babacar Mbaye
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>            OMNET NetWork, the Net that sucks less.
> You deserve a FREE Network with vanishing to zero downtime, just ask!
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
> 
> 
> 
> 




From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Thu Oct 17 10:38:37 2002
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks(Biz Computing))
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:38:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
References: <200210171141.g9HBftWM018409@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DAECB6D.6010206@bizcomputinginc.com>

Hey, thanks, I recalled reading the Celco articles on trees years ago, 
didn't know they could still be obtained, thanks.  This may be my best 
bet yet.  Celco can be deep reading, but worth it in the end.  Just a 
perusal of this article and the ensuing 2 shows that Celco put a lot of 
thought into it which allows doing this tree stuff at the SQL Server end 
in standard SQL without burdening the application.  Just grab the data, 
iterate for display.  This is the kind of solution I was looking for. 
 Thanks big time.  Now if I can just understand all the in's and out's 
of Celco's stuff...

Jim

Steve Manes wrote:

>At 01:12 PM 10/16/2002 -0400, Jim Hendricks wrote:
>  
>
>>I know this is a SQL question, but since most apps deal with SQL, I
>>figured I'ld ask here since the app is using PHP and MySQL.
>>
>>I have a table that establishes an entity that may have a parent from
>>the same table.  I would like to display the data in a tree format where
>>all items with a ParentID of 0 ( no parent ) are listed with children
>>indented under the parent.  The nesting can be infinite, but
>>realistically will only be 2 or 3 levels deep.  I can see how to do this
>>through a whole series of queries, but can see how the performance of
>>such a design could be very poor if there is a lot of items.
>>    
>>
>
>SQL deals in result sets and is unfortunately not a good tool for working 
>with directed graphs, of which trees are one such data structure.  I've 
>been working casually on this for a couple of years without much 
>success.  There are alternative methods of representing trees in SQL as 
>nested sets, or at least it's possible in Oracle.  But it's not 
>pretty.  Here's a Joe Celko article I've archived, which is the best I've 
>found on the topic of generating trees with SQL:
>
>http://www.dbmsmag.com/9603d06.html
>
>
>
>
>
>--- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
>
>
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From nygini at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 17 10:56:20 2002
From: nygini at yahoo.com (elvire dardier)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:56:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re: Graphics with php
In-Reply-To: <200210162159.g9GLxIWM017097@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021017145620.32882.qmail@web14706.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks for your help. We eventually ended up deleting
a cache file (config.cach) and the graphics work
now...
Thanks anyway!
Genevieve.
--- Hans Zaunere <zaunere at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> --- elvire dardier <nygini at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Hi Hans,
> > Yes, it is the only error that we get in our
> little
> > script im.php: 
> > 
> > "Fatal error: Call to undefined function:
> imagepng()
> > in im.php on line 9
> > 
> >  We tried using getimagesize() and some other
> > gd_functions and they were found by php. 
> 
> Well that's a good sign at least.
> 
> > I do not exaclty understand what you mean by
> enabling
> > PNG? We specified PNG directory with the option
> > "--with" when configuring php. 
> 
> --with-gd=/path/to/gd  and 
> --with-png-dir=/path/to/png
> 
> (again, I haven't done this in ages, at may be dated
> info).
> 
> Do other image formats/more intensive functions
> work?  imagejpeg,
> imageline, imagegd?
> 
> > What constants should be defined?
> 
> IMG_PNG, IMAGETYPE_PNG, etc
> 
> http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.image.php
> 
> Also, are things linked properly? I'm not sure off
> the cuff how Solaris
> does all this, but ldconfig/nm/objdump/ar runs on
> libphp4.so or php the
> binary might show something.
> 
> 
> 
> =====
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> New York PHP
> http://nyphp.org
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From fields at surgam.net  Thu Oct 17 13:10:46 2002
From: fields at surgam.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:10:46 -0500
Subject: RFC: I'm building a data management framework
Message-ID: <20021017171046.GJ1146@eye.surgam.net>

The following is a high level description of a general system I'm
currently building. I'd love to get some feedback on whether such a
thing is interesting to you, and what features you'd like to see.

----------

Starting from a user perspective, there are a few levels, and at each
level you define the behavior of the system with an XML file (or
generate one from some interactive choices).

At the lowest level, you define datasets, which are made up of fields,
each of which has a data types. Each data set corresponds to a table
in the database, and each field you want to manage must be listed in
the description. I've imposed some restrictions on the structure of
the tables (this makes things a lot easier to dynamically manage, and
corresponds to my style in making relational databases, and I don't
think it's too restrictive, but I'm open to suggestions) :

- currently, you must use mysql. This will change eventually.

- each table must have an autogenerated primary key, named
"<tablename>_id"

- each table must have an integer field called "status"

- foreign keys must have the same field name in both tables

- if you want to support versions, each table must have a
corresponding table called "<tablename>_updates" with id, object
(blob) structure.

Field types correspond to commonly used html structures - text,
textarea, select (you can either specify the options in the definition
or specify a table to read name/value pairs from), date (which pops up
a calendar), image (which gives you a file choose box and saves the
uploaded file on disk).

Relations to other tables are handled in two ways - there's a field
type called "contains" that takes a data set as a parameter. Also,
data set types are supported - currently, I support "item" and
"relation". Item datasets represent single-item tables, which may
reference other tables with contains fields (1:n) relations. Relation
datasets represent n:n mapping tables and must contain references to
exactly two item datasets.

There's a script which will read the xml files and output the db
creation SQL (or connect to the database directly and just do
it). 

So... you've got all these datasets, which represent a relational
database structure. The system defines ways to operate on the
datasets, which are represented currently either by a single-screen or
a two-screen form and form handler. It doesn't currently support field
validation, but because of the structure, it would be fairly easy to
add. So for editing, all you do is hand the renderer a dataset name,
an appropriate mode, and an id for an existing item (unless you're
adding a new one), and it gives you a dynamically generated form for
doing so, based on your data definition. It also lets you do some
traversal of the relations to edit other connected items.

There's a dynamic display component as well, but the details are in
progress.

Any thoughts?

-- 
				- Adam

-----
Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
http://www.adamfields.com


From fields at surgam.net  Thu Oct 17 13:19:21 2002
From: fields at surgam.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:19:21 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
In-Reply-To: <200210171141.g9HBftWM018409@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210171141.g9HBftWM018409@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021017171921.GL1146@eye.surgam.net>

On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 07:41:55AM -0400, Steve Manes wrote:
> SQL deals in result sets and is unfortunately not a good tool for working 
> with directed graphs, of which trees are one such data structure.  I've 
> been working casually on this for a couple of years without much 
> success.  There are alternative methods of representing trees in SQL as 
> nested sets, or at least it's possible in Oracle.  But it's not 
> pretty.  Here's a Joe Celko article I've archived, which is the best I've 
> found on the topic of generating trees with SQL:
> 
> http://www.dbmsmag.com/9603d06.html

That is some clever stuff.

Thanks!

-- 
				- Adam

-----
Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
http://www.adamfields.com


From ejp at well.com  Thu Oct 17 13:37:20 2002
From: ejp at well.com (Edward Potter)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:37:20 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Pay application in PHP?
In-Reply-To: <200210171244.g9HCigWM018503@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <164DC6B0-E1F7-11D6-BF78-00039398609A@well.com>

Have you looked at  Quick Books?  This stuff has been debugged, and out 
for years. It's all pre-canned, ready to go. Can handle virtually any 
sort of tax issues, social security, deductions, regulations, etc.

http://www.payroll.com/support/deluxe/signup/2001_faq.html

-e




On Thursday, October 17, 2002, at 08:44 AM, Babacar Mbaye wrote:

> Hi,
> Do you know any application written in Php which can manage the wages of
> workers in a Small Company.
> Thanks!
>
> -- Babacar Mbaye
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>            OMNET NetWork, the Net that sucks less.
> You deserve a FREE Network with vanishing to zero downtime, just ask!
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
>
>



From markjia at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 17 13:47:10 2002
From: markjia at yahoo.com (Mark Jia)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:47:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: DVD Rental Application
In-Reply-To: <200210081539.g98FdCix050737@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021017174723.4141.qmail@web20416.mail.yahoo.com>


Does anyone know some DVD Rental Applications in PHP? 
Thank you!
Mark
 


Regards

Mark Jia
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From sharpwit at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 17 13:48:51 2002
From: sharpwit at hotmail.com ((kris)janis p gale)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:48:51 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
References: <200210170224.g9H2OBWM017509@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <OE45HkidcDjoYAPNXRP00001ada@hotmail.com>

the trees thread made me realize it was a topic near and dear to my heart,
since way-back-when i had devoted pretty much an entire day's
research-and-development effort towards devising a method of not only
creating an arbitrarily-deep tree structure using a single self-referencing
table, but also be able to traverse such a structure with relative ease...

my development environment at the time was a windows nt box running
coldfusion and access as a db -- so recursion was NOT an option, not only
because coldfusion doesn't even support recursion, but also due to the total
lack of resources on that puny development box...

call me crazy, but i actually Enjoy developing iterative algorithms for
problems that usually lend themselves to recursion, especially when even
brainstorming such an iterative solution would send most developers
screaming out the door in search of fresh air and daylight.

anyways, porting my coldfusion script to php proved extremely rudimentary.

i created a basic table for this exercise, called "test"
it has three fields -- id [int], parent_id [int], and name [varchar(64)]
there's an index on id (primary) and parent_id

contents of "test":

id, parent_id, name

3, 0, primary1
2, 0, primary2
1, 0, primary3
5, 3, secondary1
6, 3, secondary2
4, 1, secondary3
7, 5, tertiary1
8, 4, tertiary2
9, 4, tertiary3


my assumption here is that
a top-level item's parent_id is to be zero.
(i could have just as easily used NULL.)


the code to display this tree:
----


<?php

$mc = mysql_connect("localhost") or die("!mysql_connect");
$md = mysql_select_db("mysql",$mc) or die("!mysql_select_db");

$mq = mysql_query("SELECT id, parent_id, name FROM test ORDER BY name") or
die("!mysql_query");
$nrows = mysql_num_rows($mq);

$data = array_fill(0,$nrows,NULL);
$n = 0;
while($mfa = mysql_fetch_array($mq,MYSQL_ASSOC))
 $data[$n++] = $mfa;

mysql_free_result($mq);
mysql_close($mc);

$id_list = array();
$row_list = array();
$depth_list = array();

for($n = 0 ; $n < $nrows ; $n++)
 if($data[$n]["parent_id"] == 0)
 { array_push($id_list,$data[$n]["id"]);
  array_push($row_list,$n);
  array_push($depth_list,0);
 }

while(count($id_list) < $nrows)
{ $id_temp = array();
 $row_temp = array();
 $depth_temp = array();
 for($i = 0 ; $i < count($id_list) ; $i++)
 { $id = $id_list[$i];
  $row = $row_list[$i];
  $depth = $depth_list[$i];
  array_push($id_temp,$id);
  array_push($row_temp,$row);
  array_push($depth_temp,$depth);
  for($j = 0 ; $j < $nrows ; $j++)
   if(($data[$j]["parent_id"] == $id)
   && (array_search($data[$j]["id"],$id_list) == NULL))
   { array_push($id_temp,$data[$j]["id"]);
    array_push($row_temp,$j);
    array_push($depth_temp,$depth + 1);
   }
 }
 $id_list = $id_temp;
 $row_list = $row_temp;
 $depth_list = $depth_temp;
}

print('<pre>');
for($n = 0 ; $n < $nrows ; $n++)
 print(str_repeat("----",$depth_list[$n]) . $data[$row_list[$n]]["name"] .
'<br>');
print('</pre>');

?>


----
the useful variables created by the end result of this code
is as such...

$nrows
number of rows in your dataset

$data[][]
contains the entirety of your data, in a two-dimensional array

$row_list[]
a single dimentional array that you'll use to index rows
of $data in tree-order, not in alphabetical or row-order
(see the very end of the above code to see what i mean)

$depth_list[]
the depth of each item in the tree, in tree-order
(see above how i used this variable to indent
the displayed item to show its depth in the tree)

----

see the code in action:
http://krisgale.com/code/tree.php

----

incidentally, anyone have a job for me?
i truly miss solid development work like this...
(database-driven web applications is my fort?)

my resum?:
http://krisgale.com/work/kpg_resume.gif


regards,
- kris gale


From ejp at well.com  Thu Oct 17 13:55:06 2002
From: ejp at well.com (Edward Potter)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:55:06 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] RFC: I'm building a data management framework
In-Reply-To: <200210171710.g9HHArWM018802@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <92162CA5-E1F9-11D6-BF78-00039398609A@well.com>

I was playing around with this awhile back also. I always thought that 
you could send XML back and forth, and when it landed on various 
servers, it would create the database's for you. Sort of a viral-db 
thing...  But of course then I became unemployed... :-)


On Thursday, October 17, 2002, at 01:10 PM, Adam Fields wrote:

> The following is a high level description of a general system I'm
> currently building. I'd love to get some feedback on whether such a
> thing is interesting to you, and what features you'd like to see.
>
> ----------
>
> Starting from a user perspective, there are a few levels, and at each
> level you define the behavior of the system with an XML file (or
> generate one from some interactive choices).
>
> At the lowest level, you define datasets, which are made up of fields,
> each of which has a data types. Each data set corresponds to a table
> in the database, and each field you want to manage must be listed in
> the description. I've imposed some restrictions on the structure of
> the tables (this makes things a lot easier to dynamically manage, and
> corresponds to my style in making relational databases, and I don't
> think it's too restrictive, but I'm open to suggestions) :
>
> - currently, you must use mysql. This will change eventually.
>
> - each table must have an autogenerated primary key, named
> "<tablename>_id"
>
> - each table must have an integer field called "status"
>
> - foreign keys must have the same field name in both tables
>
> - if you want to support versions, each table must have a
> corresponding table called "<tablename>_updates" with id, object
> (blob) structure.
>
> Field types correspond to commonly used html structures - text,
> textarea, select (you can either specify the options in the definition
> or specify a table to read name/value pairs from), date (which pops up
> a calendar), image (which gives you a file choose box and saves the
> uploaded file on disk).
>
> Relations to other tables are handled in two ways - there's a field
> type called "contains" that takes a data set as a parameter. Also,
> data set types are supported - currently, I support "item" and
> "relation". Item datasets represent single-item tables, which may
> reference other tables with contains fields (1:n) relations. Relation
> datasets represent n:n mapping tables and must contain references to
> exactly two item datasets.
>
> There's a script which will read the xml files and output the db
> creation SQL (or connect to the database directly and just do
> it).
>
> So... you've got all these datasets, which represent a relational
> database structure. The system defines ways to operate on the
> datasets, which are represented currently either by a single-screen or
> a two-screen form and form handler. It doesn't currently support field
> validation, but because of the structure, it would be fairly easy to
> add. So for editing, all you do is hand the renderer a dataset name,
> an appropriate mode, and an id for an existing item (unless you're
> adding a new one), and it gives you a dynamically generated form for
> doing so, based on your data definition. It also lets you do some
> traversal of the relations to edit other connected items.
>
> There's a dynamic display component as well, but the details are in
> progress.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> --
> 				- Adam
>
> -----
> Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
> Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
> delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
> http://www.adamfields.com
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
>
>



From MLynn at exchange.ml.com  Thu Oct 17 14:21:14 2002
From: MLynn at exchange.ml.com (Lynn, Michael (DCS))
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:21:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] DVD Rental Application
Message-ID: <8FA07D8665A9D511B80E00B0D068A1510293A90C@ehope16.hew.us.ml.com>

Not quite a rental - but this provides excellent tracking of loaned dvds, cds, etc.

http://freshmeat.net/projects/opendb/?topic_id=92

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From: Mark Jia [mailto:markjia at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 1:48 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] DVD Rental Application



Does anyone know some DVD Rental Applications in PHP? 
Thank you!
Mark
 


Regards

Mark Jia


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From fields at surgam.net  Thu Oct 17 14:50:45 2002
From: fields at surgam.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:50:45 -0500
Subject: Quick little question - variable interpolation
Message-ID: <20021017185045.GA12191@eye.surgam.net>

This is one of those really easy questions that's difficult to search
for because the search terms look like everything else.

Is there an easy way to do simple variable interpolation on a string?

For example, if I have:

$one = '1';
$two = '= $one';

Is there a way to get $two to equal '= 1' (or whatever $one happens to
contain, obviously)?

-- 
				- Adam

-----
Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
http://www.adamfields.com


From nyphp at altunergil.com  Thu Oct 17 14:46:29 2002
From: nyphp at altunergil.com (Oktay Altunergil)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:46:29 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Pay application in PHP?
In-Reply-To: <200210171244.g9HCigWM018503@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210171244.g9HCigWM018503@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021017144629.34668ca2.nyphp@altunergil.com>

searched 'php payroll' on google and got this
Enterprise TimeSheet and Payroll at http://www.hotscripts.com/Detailed/14498.html

Oktay

PS: I leave it to the reader as an exercise to search for 'internet', 'www', 'web', 'search' on google.



On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:44:42 -0400
Babacar Mbaye <babacar at omnet.sn> wrote:

> Hi,
> Do you know any application written in Php which can manage the wages of 
> workers in a Small Company.
> Thanks!
> 
> -- Babacar Mbaye
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>            OMNET NetWork, the Net that sucks less.
> You deserve a FREE Network with vanishing to zero downtime, just ask!
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
> 
> 


From nyphp at altunergil.com  Thu Oct 17 15:04:18 2002
From: nyphp at altunergil.com (Oktay Altunergil)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:04:18 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Quick little question - variable interpolation
In-Reply-To: <200210171850.g9HIotWM018983@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210171850.g9HIotWM018983@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021017150418.7df06b3a.nyphp@altunergil.com>

$two = "= $one"  doesn't work?

oktay

On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:50:55 -0400
Adam Fields <fields at surgam.net> wrote:

> This is one of those really easy questions that's difficult to search
> for because the search terms look like everything else.
> 
> Is there an easy way to do simple variable interpolation on a string?
> 
> For example, if I have:
> 
> $one = '1';
> $two = '= $one';
> 
> Is there a way to get $two to equal '= 1' (or whatever $one happens to
> contain, obviously)?
> 
> -- 
> 				- Adam
> 
> -----
> Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
> Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
> delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
> http://www.adamfields.com
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
> 
> 


From fields at surgam.net  Thu Oct 17 15:16:15 2002
From: fields at surgam.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:16:15 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Quick little question - variable interpolation
In-Reply-To: <200210171850.g9HIotWM018983@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210171850.g9HIotWM018983@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021017191615.GD12191@eye.surgam.net>

On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 02:50:55PM -0400, Adam Fields wrote:
> This is one of those really easy questions that's difficult to search
> for because the search terms look like everything else.
> 
> Is there an easy way to do simple variable interpolation on a string?
> 
> For example, if I have:
> 
> $one = '1';
> $two = '= $one';
> 
> Is there a way to get $two to equal '= 1' (or whatever $one happens to
> contain, obviously)?

To clarify, I don't want $two to equal $one. I want $two to equal some
string that has a bunch of other characters and the value of $one. So
if the original $two string was:

'this string = $one and that is it'

I want it to be:

'this string = 1 and that is it'

after processing.

-- 
				- Adam

-----
Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
http://www.adamfields.com


From rsd at electronink.com  Thu Oct 17 15:11:23 2002
From: rsd at electronink.com (Russ Demarest)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:11:23 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Quick little question - variable interpolation
References: <200210171850.g9HIotWM018983@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DAF0B5B.3030301@electronink.com>

I believe

 $two = "= " . $one;

will do it.

    Good luck

Adam Fields wrote:

>This is one of those really easy questions that's difficult to search
>for because the search terms look like everything else.
>
>Is there an easy way to do simple variable interpolation on a string?
>
>For example, if I have:
>
>$one = '1';
>$two = '= $one';
>
>Is there a way to get $two to equal '= 1' (or whatever $one happens to
>contain, obviously)?
>
>  
>



From adam at trachtenberg.com  Thu Oct 17 15:18:55 2002
From: adam at trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:18:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Quick little question - variable interpolation
In-Reply-To: <200210171850.g9HIotWM018983@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0210171518220.4024-100000@miranda.org>

On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Adam Fields wrote:

> $one = '1';
> $two = '= $one';
> 
> Is there a way to get $two to equal '= 1' (or whatever $one happens to
> contain, obviously)?

$two = "= $one";

-adam



From fields at surgam.net  Thu Oct 17 15:28:37 2002
From: fields at surgam.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:28:37 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Quick little question - variable interpolation
In-Reply-To: <200210171908.g9HJ8hWM019009@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210171908.g9HJ8hWM019009@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021017192837.GF12191@eye.surgam.net>

On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 03:08:43PM -0400, Oktay Altunergil wrote:
> $two = "= $one"  doesn't work?

It does. But it assumes I don't already have the string literal value
of $two. Suppose I want to read in a string from a file or db that is
stored as "= $one" and I want to interpolate it after reading it?

How do I do that?

> On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:50:55 -0400
> Adam Fields <fields at surgam.net> wrote:
> 
> > This is one of those really easy questions that's difficult to search
> > for because the search terms look like everything else.
> > 
> > Is there an easy way to do simple variable interpolation on a string?
> > 
> > For example, if I have:
> > 
> > $one = '1';
> > $two = '= $one';
> > 
> > Is there a way to get $two to equal '= 1' (or whatever $one happens to
> > contain, obviously)?
> > 
> > -- 
> > 				- Adam
> > 
> > -----
> > Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
> > Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
> > delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
> > http://www.adamfields.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
> 
> 

-- 
				- Adam

-----
Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
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From sklar at sklar.com  Thu Oct 17 15:35:54 2002
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:35:54 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Quick little question - variable interpolation
In-Reply-To: <200210171916.g9HJGNWM019035@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJMEOJDNAA.sklar@sklar.com>

> 'this string = $one and that is it'
> 
> I want it to be:
> 
> 'this string = 1 and that is it'
> 
> after processing.

$one = 1;
$two = "this string = $one and that is it";

Double quotes.

-dave



From max at idsociety.com  Thu Oct 17 15:53:53 2002
From: max at idsociety.com (max goldberg)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:53:53 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Quick little question - variable interpolation
References: <200210171928.g9HJSiWM019070@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DAF1551.9030702@idsociety.com>

<?

$one = '1';
$two = '$one';
eval("\\$result = \\"$two\\";");
echo $result;

?>

should do what you are looking for I think?

-max

Adam Fields wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 03:08:43PM -0400, Oktay Altunergil wrote:
> 
>>$two = "= $one"  doesn't work?
> 
> 
> It does. But it assumes I don't already have the string literal value
> of $two. Suppose I want to read in a string from a file or db that is
> stored as "= $one" and I want to interpolate it after reading it?
> 
> How do I do that?
> 
> 
>>On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:50:55 -0400
>>Adam Fields <fields at surgam.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>This is one of those really easy questions that's difficult to search
>>>for because the search terms look like everything else.
>>>
>>>Is there an easy way to do simple variable interpolation on a string?
>>>
>>>For example, if I have:
>>>
>>>$one = '1';
>>>$two = '= $one';
>>>
>>>Is there a way to get $two to equal '= 1' (or whatever $one happens to
>>>contain, obviously)?
>>>
>>>-- 
>>>				- Adam
>>>
>>>-----
>>>Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
>>>Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
>>>delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
>>>http://www.adamfields.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 



From nyphp at altunergil.com  Thu Oct 17 15:50:32 2002
From: nyphp at altunergil.com (Oktay Altunergil)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:50:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Quick little question - variable interpolation
In-Reply-To: <200210171928.g9HJSiWM019070@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210171928.g9HJSiWM019070@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021017155032.6879f4e9.nyphp@altunergil.com>

Hm.. "= $one" is not a variable.. I don't know how you would treat it as one. I think you might be able to do something with 'variable variables'.

 http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.variables.variable.php

--oktay--

On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:28:44 -0400
Adam Fields <fields at surgam.net> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 03:08:43PM -0400, Oktay Altunergil wrote:
> > $two = "= $one"  doesn't work?
> 
> It does. But it assumes I don't already have the string literal value
> of $two. Suppose I want to read in a string from a file or db that is
> stored as "= $one" and I want to interpolate it after reading it?
> 
> How do I do that?
> 
> > On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:50:55 -0400
> > Adam Fields <fields at surgam.net> wrote:
> > 
> > > This is one of those really easy questions that's difficult to search
> > > for because the search terms look like everything else.
> > > 
> > > Is there an easy way to do simple variable interpolation on a string?
> > > 
> > > For example, if I have:
> > > 
> > > $one = '1';
> > > $two = '= $one';
> > > 
> > > Is there a way to get $two to equal '= 1' (or whatever $one happens to
> > > contain, obviously)?
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > 				- Adam
> > > 
> > > -----
> > > Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
> > > Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
> > > delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
> > > http://www.adamfields.com
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> -- 
> 				- Adam
> 
> -----
> Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
> Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
> delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
> http://www.adamfields.com
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
> 
> 


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Thu Oct 17 16:01:48 2002
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 16:01:48 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Quick little question - variable interpolation
In-Reply-To: <200210171935.g9HJZgWM019097@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210171935.g9HJZgWM019097@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021017200147.GA18255@panix.com>

On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 03:35:42PM -0400, David Sklar wrote:
> 
> $one = 1;
> $two = "this string = $one and that is it";
> 
> Double quotes.

Just to make sure everything is clear to Adam:

Only strings inside double quotes get evaluated.  Strings inside single
quotes are taken literally.

So:

 $one = 1;
 $two = "this string = $one and that is it";
 echo $two;
 [results:  this string = 1 and that is it]

 $one = 1;
 $two = 'this string = $one and that is it';
 echo $two;
 [results:  this string = $one and that is it]

--Dan

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From fields at surgam.net  Thu Oct 17 16:17:40 2002
From: fields at surgam.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:17:40 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Quick little question - variable interpolation
In-Reply-To: <200210171954.g9HJswWM019143@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210171954.g9HJswWM019143@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021017201740.GI12191@eye.surgam.net>

On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 03:54:58PM -0400, Oktay Altunergil wrote:
> Hm.. "= $one" is not a variable.. I don't know how you would treat it as one. I think you might be able to do something with 'variable variables'.
> 
>  http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.variables.variable.php
> 
> --oktay--

I didn't find anything useful in there.

However, this works. It's not particularly elegant, but it does what I
want:

--------------
$i = 0;
foreach (explode(' ', $test) as $word) {
  if (substr($word, 0, 1) == '$') {
    $newstring[$i] = eval ("return $word;");
  } else {
    $newstring[$i] = $word;
  }
  $i++;
}
print join(' ', $newstring);
--------------

Assuming that $test is my source string.

-- 
				- Adam

-----
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From fields at surgam.net  Thu Oct 17 16:24:20 2002
From: fields at surgam.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:24:20 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Quick little question - variable interpolation
In-Reply-To: <200210172001.g9HK1qWM019169@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210172001.g9HK1qWM019169@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021017202420.GJ12191@eye.surgam.net>

On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 04:01:52PM -0400, Analysis & Solutions wrote:
> Just to make sure everything is clear to Adam:
> 
> Only strings inside double quotes get evaluated.  Strings inside single
> quotes are taken literally.

Yes, I'm fully aware of that. That was not my question.

> So:
> 
>  $one = 1;
>  $two = "this string = $one and that is it";
>  echo $two;
>  [results:  this string = 1 and that is it]
> 
>  $one = 1;
>  $two = 'this string = $one and that is it';
>  echo $two;
>  [results:  this string = $one and that is it]

That is also not my question. I don't want to know how to assign a
string such that variable interpolation happens. I want to know how to
take an existing string and perform variable interpolation on it. I
posted my solution already, but I'm still wondering if there's a
better way.

For completeness sake, here it is again (this does what I want, given
an existing string):

$i = 0;
foreach (explode(' ', $test) as $word) {
  if (substr($word, 0, 1) == '$') {
    $newstring[$i] = eval ("return $word;");
  } else {
    $newstring[$i] = $word;
  }
  $i++;
}
print join(' ', $newstring);

-- 
				- Adam

-----
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Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
http://www.adamfields.com


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Thu Oct 17 17:05:56 2002
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:05:56 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Quick little question - variable interpolation
In-Reply-To: <200210172024.g9HKOSWM019228@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210172024.g9HKOSWM019228@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021017210556.GA6484@panix.com>

On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 04:24:28PM -0400, Adam Fields wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 04:01:52PM -0400, Analysis & Solutions wrote:
> 
> That is also not my question. I don't want to know how to assign a
> string such that variable interpolation happens. I want to know how to
> take an existing string and perform variable interpolation on it.

Oh.  I didn't understand your question.  Guess I was too busy working on 
other things to really pay attention to the whole thread.  Max was on 
target with eval().  So, continuing with my example...

  $one = 1;
  $two = 'this string = $one and that is it';
  $three = eval($two);
  echo $three;
  [results:  this string = 1 and that is it]

Now, BE CAREFUL about using eval().  You could do some really nasty things 
if the incoming string is corrupted by nasty persons.  Please read the PHP 
manual about eval() to make sure you're being safe.

--Dan

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From max at idsociety.com  Thu Oct 17 17:23:33 2002
From: max at idsociety.com (max goldberg)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:23:33 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Quick little question - variable interpolation
References: <200210172106.g9HL61WM019311@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DAF2A55.8090504@idsociety.com>

That actually wouldn't work, in order to do eval() you must pass it a 
valid piece of code, so at runtime your code would return a parse error 
as it would be the same as a line of code that said 'this string = $one 
and that is it', where as '\\$string = $one;' would parse.

Earlier I gave the answer:

$one = '1';
$two = '$one';
eval("\\$result = \\"$two\\";");
echo $result;

Which would work fine, but you are very correct about the safety and it 
is a bad idea to eval anything coming in from user input without a huge 
load of data integrity checking.

-Max

Analysis & Solutions wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 04:24:28PM -0400, Adam Fields wrote:
> 
>>On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 04:01:52PM -0400, Analysis & Solutions wrote:
>>
>>That is also not my question. I don't want to know how to assign a
>>string such that variable interpolation happens. I want to know how to
>>take an existing string and perform variable interpolation on it.
> 
> 
> Oh.  I didn't understand your question.  Guess I was too busy working on 
> other things to really pay attention to the whole thread.  Max was on 
> target with eval().  So, continuing with my example...
> 
>   $one = 1;
>   $two = 'this string = $one and that is it';
>   $three = eval($two);
>   echo $three;
>   [results:  this string = 1 and that is it]
> 
> Now, BE CAREFUL about using eval().  You could do some really nasty things 
> if the incoming string is corrupted by nasty persons.  Please read the PHP 
> manual about eval() to make sure you're being safe.
> 
> --Dan
> 



From sklar at sklar.com  Thu Oct 17 17:25:35 2002
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:25:35 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Quick little question - variable interpolation
In-Reply-To: <200210172024.g9HKOSWM019228@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJCEPADNAA.sklar@sklar.com>


> That is also not my question. I don't want to know how to assign a
> string such that variable interpolation happens. I want to know how to
> take an existing string and perform variable interpolation on it. I
> posted my solution already, but I'm still wondering if there's a
> better way.
> 
> For completeness sake, here it is again (this does what I want, given
> an existing string):
> 
> $i = 0;
> foreach (explode(' ', $test) as $word) {
>   if (substr($word, 0, 1) == '$') {
>     $newstring[$i] = eval ("return $word;");
>   } else {
>     $newstring[$i] = $word;
>   }
>   $i++;
> }
> print join(' ', $newstring);

Why explode and rejoin instead of just one eval?

$foo = eval("return '$foo';");

You might need to addslashes() on $foo first:

$safe = addslashes($foo);
$foo  = eval("return '$safe';");

-dave



From cahoyos at us.ibm.com  Thu Oct 17 17:25:53 2002
From: cahoyos at us.ibm.com (Carlos A Hoyos)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:25:53 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Quick little question - variable interpolation
Message-ID: <OFE0E777E3.83487F21-ON85256C55.0075F845@us.ibm.com>


try eval

<?php
$string = 'cup';
$name = 'coffee';
$one = 'This is a $string with my $name in it.<br>';
echo $one;
eval ("\\$two = \\"$one\\";");
echo $two;
?>

will print

This is a $string with my $name in it.
This is a cup with my coffee in it.





                                                                                                                                       
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This is one of those really easy questions that's difficult to search
for because the search terms look like everything else.

Is there an easy way to do simple variable interpolation on a string?

For example, if I have:

$one = '1';
$two = '= $one';

Is there a way to get $two to equal '= 1' (or whatever $one happens to
contain, obviously)?

--
                                                 - Adam

-----
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From sklar at sklar.com  Thu Oct 17 17:28:30 2002
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:28:30 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Quick little question - variable interpolation
In-Reply-To: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJCEPADNAA.sklar@sklar.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJGEPADNAA.sklar@sklar.com>

> Why explode and rejoin instead of just one eval?
> 
> $foo = eval("return '$foo';");
> 
> You might need to addslashes() on $foo first:
> 
> $safe = addslashes($foo);
> $foo  = eval("return '$safe';");

Oops, those should be doublequotes inside the eval:

$foo = eval("return \\"$foo\\";");

and

$safe = addcslashes($foo,'"');
$foo  = eval("return \\"$safe\\";");

-dave



From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Thu Oct 17 17:39:45 2002
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:39:45 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Quick little question - variable interpolation
In-Reply-To: <200210172124.g9HLOXWM019337@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210172124.g9HLOXWM019337@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021017213945.GA18081@panix.com>

On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 05:24:33PM -0400, max goldberg wrote:
> Analysis & Solutions wrote:
> >   $three = eval($two);
>
> That actually wouldn't work, in order to do eval() you must pass it a 
> valid piece of code

Oh, dear.  You're right.  I so rarely use eval() I forgot about that.  
Once again, haste makes waste.

Thanks,

--Dan

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From sharpwit at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 18 00:42:41 2002
From: sharpwit at hotmail.com ((kris)janis p gale)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 00:42:41 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
References: <200210171438.g9HEcsWM018629@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <OE40EJmGzrLCCtgx8VU000021b8@hotmail.com>

anyone see my post?
i replied with one of my solutions for displaying trees
yesterday but didn't see it echoed on the list...

just checking that it was received.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Hendricks <jim at bizcomputinginc.com>
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Building trees


> Hey, thanks, I recalled reading the Celco articles on trees years ago,
> didn't know they could still be obtained, thanks.  This may be my best
> bet yet.  Celco can be deep reading, but worth it in the end.  Just a
> perusal of this article and the ensuing 2 shows that Celco put a lot of
> thought into it which allows doing this tree stuff at the SQL Server end
> in standard SQL without burdening the application.  Just grab the data,
> iterate for display.  This is the kind of solution I was looking for.
>  Thanks big time.  Now if I can just understand all the in's and out's
> of Celco's stuff...
>
> Jim
>
> Steve Manes wrote:
>
> >At 01:12 PM 10/16/2002 -0400, Jim Hendricks wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I know this is a SQL question, but since most apps deal with SQL, I
> >>figured I'ld ask here since the app is using PHP and MySQL.
> >>
> >>I have a table that establishes an entity that may have a parent from
> >>the same table.  I would like to display the data in a tree format where
> >>all items with a ParentID of 0 ( no parent ) are listed with children
> >>indented under the parent.  The nesting can be infinite, but
> >>realistically will only be 2 or 3 levels deep.  I can see how to do this
> >>through a whole series of queries, but can see how the performance of
> >>such a design could be very poor if there is a lot of items.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >SQL deals in result sets and is unfortunately not a good tool for working
> >with directed graphs, of which trees are one such data structure.  I've
> >been working casually on this for a couple of years without much
> >success.  There are alternative methods of representing trees in SQL as
> >nested sets, or at least it's possible in Oracle.  But it's not
> >pretty.  Here's a Joe Celko article I've archived, which is the best I've
> >found on the topic of generating trees with SQL:
> >
> >http://www.dbmsmag.com/9603d06.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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>


From babacar at omnet.sn  Fri Oct 18 07:20:35 2002
From: babacar at omnet.sn (Babacar Mbaye)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:20:35 +0000
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Pay application in PHP?
In-Reply-To: <200210171850.g9HIouWM018984@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210171850.g9HIouWM018984@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <1034940035.3dafee837695c@www.omnet.sn>

Thank you for all your replies.
God bless you all


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From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Fri Oct 18 07:10:28 2002
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 07:10:28 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
References: <200210180446.g9I4k2WM019829@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <001c01c27696$f78f97b0$6401a8c0@Notebook>

Kris,

Yes, it was received.  Sorry I didn't comment on it, been busy with trying
to make some money and the Celco solution seemed more like what I was
looking for.  Your solution puts the work burden on the application, Celco's
on the DBMS.  I've found in most cases, if it can be done through a query,
do it through a query, that is usually the best performing, least resource
intense aproach.  It also scales well as the tree grows both in items and in
depth.

Jim

PS.  I see your in Hoboken, wish I could offer you a job, but I'm still too
small at this point.

----- Original Message -----
From: "janis p gale" <sharpwit at hotmail.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Building trees


> anyone see my post?
> i replied with one of my solutions for displaying trees
> yesterday but didn't see it echoed on the list...
>
> just checking that it was received.




From smanes at magpie.com  Fri Oct 18 07:39:06 2002
From: smanes at magpie.com (Steve Manes)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 07:39:06 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
In-Reply-To: <200210181110.g9IBAeWM020478@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20021018073513.0123d780@192.168.111.6>

At 07:10 AM 10/18/2002 -0400, Jim Hendricks wrote:
>Yes, it was received.  Sorry I didn't comment on it, been busy with trying
>to make some money and the Celco solution seemed more like what I was
>looking for.

If you're on the WWWAC list, I'd also suggest talking with Andrew Gideon of 
TAG Online.  He and I had a fairly extensive offline message discussion on 
the subject of SQL and trees last year.  He has something like the Celko 
solution already running with some threaded discussion software he wrote 
and I believe he's the guy who referred me to those Celko articles.




From sharpwit at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 18 08:21:55 2002
From: sharpwit at hotmail.com ((kris)janis p gale)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:21:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
References: <200210181110.g9IBAeWM020478@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <OE27fS1FXfmxpbVVytm0000244d@hotmail.com>

ah, ok.
thanks!

yeah i'm kinda curious myself how my solution would scale...
i've used it in the past (when it was a coldfusion script) with as many as a
hundred nested categories linked data items, and pretty successfully, but
haven't done any stress-testing.

anyways glad the list got the message - it's definately handy for use on
dbms' that aren't that great at handling many queries at once (i.e. Access -
ugh :)

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Hendricks <jim at bizcomputinginc.com>
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 07:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Building trees


> Kris,
>
> Yes, it was received.  Sorry I didn't comment on it, been busy with trying
> to make some money and the Celco solution seemed more like what I was
> looking for.  Your solution puts the work burden on the application,
Celco's
> on the DBMS.  I've found in most cases, if it can be done through a query,
> do it through a query, that is usually the best performing, least resource
> intense aproach.  It also scales well as the tree grows both in items and
in
> depth.
>
> Jim
>
> PS.  I see your in Hoboken, wish I could offer you a job, but I'm still
too
> small at this point.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "janis p gale" <sharpwit at hotmail.com>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
> Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 12:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
>
>
> > anyone see my post?
> > i replied with one of my solutions for displaying trees
> > yesterday but didn't see it echoed on the list...
> >
> > just checking that it was received.
>
>
>
>
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From sharpwit at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 19 17:19:32 2002
From: sharpwit at hotmail.com ((kris)janis p gale)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 17:19:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
References: <200210161909.g9GJ9HWM016607@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <OE21rQUsoYOTZtEB6E200003396@hotmail.com>

actually...
wouldn't it be as simple as querying the tierlevel
of the parent project, and incrementing by one?

> Figuring out the level at the time a Project is saved is simple since I 
> have a parent ID, I can walk the tree backwards until I get a 0 ParentID 
> ( 0 is not a legal ProjectID in my design ).  The number of queries I 
> had to do plus one would be the level of this new item.



From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Sat Oct 19 18:11:55 2002
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 18:11:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Building trees
References: <200210192122.g9JLMx4a049973@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <014301c277bc$890f8d50$6401a8c0@Notebook>

Yes, but I am persuing the design proposed by Celco since it is a mostly DB
solution.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "janis p gale" <sharpwit at hotmail.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Building trees


> actually...
> wouldn't it be as simple as querying the tierlevel
> of the parent project, and incrementing by one?
>
> > Figuring out the level at the time a Project is saved is simple since I
> > have a parent ID, I can walk the tree backwards until I get a 0 ParentID
> > ( 0 is not a legal ProjectID in my design ).  The number of queries I
> > had to do plus one would be the level of this new item.
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
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>
>
>
>




From zaunere at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 22 08:35:48 2002
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 05:35:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Tomorrow, NYPHP Presents: AMP Development under Win2K and the AIP
Message-ID: <20021022123548.25133.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com>

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From gderoover at mac.com  Tue Oct 22 12:49:58 2002
From: gderoover at mac.com (Giro De Roover)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 12:49:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Tomorrow, NYPHP Presents: AMP Development under
	Win2K and the AIP
In-Reply-To: <200210221235.g9MCZrqn001548@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <B9DAF9F6.42B%gderoover@mac.com>

I wanted to cancelled th emailing list but I forgot my userid and password.

Could you help me

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From soazine at erols.com  Tue Oct 22 13:27:28 2002
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:27:28 -0400
Subject: how to use CVS
Message-ID: <001f01c279f0$4bb329e0$dcbe6444@scandinawa1bo6>

I am required to use CVS for modifying PHP files, but I know absolutely NOTHING about CVS.  Can someone give me a tutorial on how to use it?

Thanx
Phil
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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Tue Oct 22 13:41:00 2002
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:41:00 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] how to use CVS
In-Reply-To: <200210221729.g9MHTMqn001839@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210221729.g9MHTMqn001839@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021022174100.GA13521@panix.com>

Hi Phil:

On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 01:29:22PM -0400, Phil Powell wrote:
> I am required to use CVS for modifying PHP files, but I know absolutely 
> NOTHING about CVS.  Can someone give me a tutorial on how to use it?

Main manual page:
http://www.cvshome.org/docs/manual/cvs.html

The quick guide:
http://www.cvshome.org/docs/manual/cvs_16.html#SEC113

The sections you'll need to focus on there are A.7 (checkout), A.8 
(commit) and A.16 (update).

Enjoy,

--Dan

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From nyphp at jimbishop.org  Tue Oct 22 13:46:17 2002
From: nyphp at jimbishop.org (nyphp at jimbishop.org)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 10:46:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] how to use CVS
In-Reply-To: <200210221729.g9MHTMqn001839@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0210221045280.759-100000@cypress.he.net>

> I am required to use CVS for modifying PHP files, but I know
> absolutely NOTHING about CVS.  Can someone give me a tutorial on how
> to use it?


http://www.cvshome.org/docs/manual/cvs.html

learn the cederqvist.
love the cederqvist.
live the cederqvist.





From jon at corporatelords.org  Tue Oct 22 13:52:14 2002
From: jon at corporatelords.org (Jon Britton)
Date: 22 Oct 2002 13:52:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] how to use CVS
In-Reply-To: <200210221729.g9MHTMqn001839@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210221729.g9MHTMqn001839@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <1035309167.4206.76.camel@widowmaker.localdomain>

On Tue, 2002-10-22 at 13:29, Phil Powell wrote:
> I am required to use CVS for modifying PHP files, but I know absolutely NOTHING about CVS.  Can someone give me a tutorial on how to use it?

http://www.google.com/search?q=cvs+tutorial

The first few are actually pretty good.  It's a pain to get started, but
will make your life much easier in the long run.

- Jon




From emm at scriptdigital.com  Tue Oct 22 13:50:14 2002
From: emm at scriptdigital.com (Emmanuel. M. Decarie)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:50:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] how to use CVS
In-Reply-To: <200210221729.g9MHTMqn001839@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210221729.g9MHTMqn001839@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <p05111b01b9db3ebdc808@[192.168.0.2]>

>I am required to use CVS for modifying PHP files, but I know 
>absolutely NOTHING about CVS.  Can someone give me a tutorial on how 
>to use it?
>
>Thanx
>Phil

Hey, what a coincidence, I just started using it and like it a lot. 
CVS is quite nice, but you really need to wrap your mind around it.

I have bought the O'Reilly Pocket Reference on CVS and it helped me 
to figure out CVS.
<http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/cvspr/>

Here's more pointers:

Version Control with CVS on Mac OS X (should also work I guess on 
Linux and the BSDs)
http://developer.apple.com/internet/macosx/cvsoverview.html

Introduction to CVS
http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2002/01/03/cvs_intro.html

Easing Web Application Development with CVS
http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2002/01/31/CVS.html

CVS--Concurrent Versions System
http://www.cvshome.org/docs/manual/cvs.html

CVS--Concurrent Versions System
http://www.loria.fr/~molli/cvs/doc/cvs_toc.html

Open Source Development with CVS
http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/

HTH

Cheers
-Emmanuel
-- 
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Frontier - Perl - PHP - Javascript - XML  <http://scriptdigital.com/>



From sklar at sklar.com  Tue Oct 22 14:16:23 2002
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:16:23 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] how to use CVS
In-Reply-To: <200210221749.g9MHnjqn001882@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJAELADOAA.sklar@sklar.com>

On Tue, 2002-10-22 at 13:29, Phil Powell wrote:
> I am required to use CVS for modifying PHP files, but I know 
> absolutely NOTHING about CVS.  Can someone give me a tutorial on 
> how to use it?

This is about using CVS for collaborative web site development:

http://www.sklar.com/web-and-cvs/sandbox.html

-dave



From markjia at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 22 17:38:44 2002
From: markjia at yahoo.com (Mark Jia)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:38:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Can I ask a DHTML question
In-Reply-To: <200210221816.g9MIGBqn001955@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021022213844.73527.qmail@web20418.mail.yahoo.com>


I got an interface project, but I never be an interface programmer, I think a lot of people out there could know this or could give me some hints, here is my problem:
I have one text field and a button,  if user want to ask for another text field, user just simply click on the button, then another text field will be generate right after the previous text filed,  user can generate unlimited fields, this function should work for both IE5.0+ and Netcape4.0+.
like this:
                                         -------------------------          ----------------------------------------
 Enter your account    :       |                         |         |click if you have more accts|
                                         --------------------------          -----------------------------------------
when user click on "click if you have more accounts", another text filed will be generate right on the next line. 
I know it will use Javascript, also some knowledge about windows DOM structure, I didn't find some similar website, could you give me some hints? or give me a website using this kind of text fileds.
sorry it is not a PHP question.
Thank you for your help!
Mark 


Regards

Mark Jia
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From bruce at mtiglobal.com  Wed Oct 23 10:13:07 2002
From: bruce at mtiglobal.com (bruce at mtiglobal.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 06:13:07 -0800 (CST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Can I ask a DHTML question
In-Reply-To: <200210222138.g9MLcnqn002180@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210222138.g9MLcnqn002180@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <1207.208.229.254.129.1035324787.squirrel@taipei.mtiglobal.com>

My experience with javascript is when you click a button to execute a
javascript function to output HTML it will refresh the page.

You could try creating the page with multiple textboxes with only the
first one visible and if they want to add more then add it by making the
next one visible; this would also include the text as well.  Not sure if
text can be switched between visible and not visible (visible = true /
false), probably though would use the text color as long as the background
was a single color.

Of course the drawback with this method is that you would have to have a
finite set of textboxes . . .  but you could always add another button
that would allow the user to enter "more".

Hope this helps.  I'm just trying to give a quick answer based on what I
can remember.

- Bruce


>
> I got an interface project, but I never be an interface programmer, I
> think a lot of people out there could know this or could give me some
> hints, here is my problem: I have one text field and a button,  if user
> want to ask for another text field, user just simply click on the
> button, then another text field will be generate right after the
> previous text filed,  user can generate unlimited fields, this function
> should work for both IE5.0+ and Netcape4.0+. like this:
>                                          -------------------------
>
> ----------------------------------------
>  Enter your account    :       |                         |
> |click if you have more accts|
>                                          --------------------------
>
> -----------------------------------------
> when user click on "click if you have more accounts", another text filed
> will be generate right on the next line.  I know it will use Javascript,
> also some knowledge about windows DOM structure, I didn't find some
> similar website, could you give me some hints? or give me a website
> using this kind of text fileds. sorry it is not a PHP question.
> Thank you for your help!
> Mark
>
>
> Regards
>
> Mark Jia
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---





From rsd at electronink.com  Tue Oct 22 18:57:22 2002
From: rsd at electronink.com (Russ Demarest)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 18:57:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Can I ask a DHTML question
References: <200210222138.g9MLcnqn002180@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DB5D7D2.1070502@electronink.com>

Mark,

    Everytime the button is pushed send the form back to a PHP script on 
the server and have it rebuild the page with another text box. You might 
also want to store the first text field in a "hidden" variable in the 
page and also print the name to the screen as text. You can continue to 
add features in the php script depending on what is submitted and how 
fancy you want to get.

    There is probably an easier answer but this way you do not have to 
worry about the client's js abilities, other than displaying the form.

    Good luck,

        Russ

Mark Jia wrote:

>I got an interface project, but I never be an interface programmer, I think a lot of people out there could know this or could give me some hints, here is my problem:
>I have one text field and a button,  if user want to ask for another text field, user just simply click on the button, then another text field will be generate right after the previous text filed,  user can generate unlimited fields, this function should work for both IE5.0+ and Netcape4.0+.
>like this:
>                                         -------------------------          ----------------------------------------
> Enter your account    :       |                         |         |click if you have more accts|
>                                         --------------------------          -----------------------------------------
>when user click on "click if you have more accounts", another text filed will be generate right on the next line. 
>I know it will use Javascript, also some knowledge about windows DOM structure, I didn't find some similar website, could you give me some hints? or give me a website using this kind of text fileds.
>sorry it is not a PHP question.
>Thank you for your help!
>Mark 
>
>
>Regards
>
>Mark Jia
>
>
>--- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
>
>
>  
>




From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Tue Oct 22 18:58:58 2002
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 18:58:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Can I ask a DHTML question
References: <200210222213.g9MMDFqn002225@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <03be01c27a1e$9b3b0860$6401a8c0@Notebook>

I have lots of places where I need this functionality, but I perform it at
the
server via whatever my server technology is.  When the "ADD" button is
detected on the server, it recreates the page with the form data, with 1
extra line of data entry.  This allows for an unlimited number of lines and
eliminates the cross browser issues.  Since I know this page will be
reloading multiple times, I attempt all the page performance helps I can
add like use of a seperate CSS and hand optimized HTML.

Jim


----- Original Message -----
From: <bruce at mtiglobal.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Can I ask a DHTML question


> My experience with javascript is when you click a button to execute a
> javascript function to output HTML it will refresh the page.
>
> You could try creating the page with multiple textboxes with only the
> first one visible and if they want to add more then add it by making the
> next one visible; this would also include the text as well.  Not sure if
> text can be switched between visible and not visible (visible = true /
> false), probably though would use the text color as long as the background
> was a single color.
>
> Of course the drawback with this method is that you would have to have a
> finite set of textboxes . . .  but you could always add another button
> that would allow the user to enter "more".
>
> Hope this helps.  I'm just trying to give a quick answer based on what I
> can remember.
>
> - Bruce
>
>
> >
> > I got an interface project, but I never be an interface programmer, I
> > think a lot of people out there could know this or could give me some
> > hints, here is my problem: I have one text field and a button,  if user
> > want to ask for another text field, user just simply click on the
> > button, then another text field will be generate right after the
> > previous text filed,  user can generate unlimited fields, this function
> > should work for both IE5.0+ and Netcape4.0+. like this:
> >                                          -------------------------
> >
> > ----------------------------------------
> >  Enter your account    :       |                         |
> > |click if you have more accts|
> >                                          --------------------------
> >
> > -----------------------------------------
> > when user click on "click if you have more accounts", another text filed
> > will be generate right on the next line.  I know it will use Javascript,
> > also some knowledge about windows DOM structure, I didn't find some
> > similar website, could you give me some hints? or give me a website
> > using this kind of text fileds. sorry it is not a PHP question.
> > Thank you for your help!
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Mark Jia
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
>
>
>
>
>




From villeg2 at nyc.rr.com  Tue Oct 22 22:06:43 2002
From: villeg2 at nyc.rr.com (Jose Villegas)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 19:06:43 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Can I ask a DHTML question
References: <200210222138.g9MLcnqn002180@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <004e01c27a38$d5c6ad80$1202a8c0@Ronchamp>

In Explorer 5 and Netscape 6 you can actually create elements on the fly
and insert them anywhere in your document. I've done this successfully
with tables and table rows. I'm not sure if this works for all html
elements, but give it a try.

This is a way it works with tables:

Let's say I have a div tag in my html document like this:
<div id="placeHolder"></div>

With JavaScript I can create a table element like this:
var newTable = document.createElement("table");
newTable.width = "300";
newTable.style.backgroundColor = "blue";
newTable.border = 1;

I can then append the table to the html document like this:
var x = document.getElementById("placeHolder");
x.appendChild(newTable);

Of course, with tables I also have to create and append all the table
elements.

hope this helps,
Jose

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Jia" <markjia at yahoo.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 2:38 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Can I ask a DHTML question


>
> I got an interface project, but I never be an interface programmer, I
think a lot of people out there could know this or could give me some
hints, here is my problem:
> I have one text field and a button,  if user want to ask for another
text field, user just simply click on the button, then another text
field will be generate right after the previous text filed,  user can
generate unlimited fields, this function should work for both IE5.0+ and
Netcape4.0+.
> like this:
>                                          -------------------------    
      ----------------------------------------
>  Enter your account    :       |                         |
|click if you have more accts|
>                                          --------------------------   
       -----------------------------------------
> when user click on "click if you have more accounts", another text
filed will be generate right on the next line.
> I know it will use Javascript, also some knowledge about windows DOM
structure, I didn't find some similar website, could you give me some
hints? or give me a website using this kind of text fileds.
> sorry it is not a PHP question.
> Thank you for your help!
> Mark
>
>
> Regards
>
> Mark Jia




From markjia at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 22 21:25:50 2002
From: markjia at yahoo.com (Mark Jia)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 18:25:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Can I ask a DHTML question
In-Reply-To: <200210222306.g9MN6Rqn002303@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021023012550.19741.qmail@web20417.mail.yahoo.com>


Thanks for all, actually I can't use hide fields since there is a number limit, also I can't use server side script since there are heavy loads on servers, I know server side is safe and will work absolutely, but I try to resolve it on client side.
Hi Jose, 
Could you give me one or more websites using the way you said here? I think that is the way I am looking, I remembered one was on Ebay, but it was removed recently.
Thanks for all!
Mark
 Jose Villegas <villeg2 at nyc.rr.com> wrote:In Explorer 5 and Netscape 6 you can actually create elements on the fly
and insert them anywhere in your document. I've done this successfully
with tables and table rows. I'm not sure if this works for all html
elements, but give it a try.

This is a way it works with tables:

Let's say I have a div tag in my html document like this:


With JavaScript I can create a table element like this:
var newTable = document.createElement("table");
newTable.width = "300";
newTable.style.backgroundColor = "blue";
newTable.border = 1;

I can then append the table to the html document like this:
var x = document.getElementById("placeHolder");
x.appendChild(newTable);

Of course, with tables I also have to create and append all the table
elements.

hope this helps,
Jose

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Jia" 
To: "NYPHP Talk" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 2:38 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Can I ask a DHTML question


>
> I got an interface project, but I never be an interface programmer, I
think a lot of people out there could know this or could give me some
hints, here is my problem:
> I have one text field and a button, if user want to ask for another
text field, user just simply click on the button, then another text
field will be generate right after the previous text filed, user can
generate unlimited fields, this function should work for both IE5.0+ and
Netcape4.0+.
> like this:
> ------------------------- 
----------------------------------------
> Enter your account : | |
|click if you have more accts|
> -------------------------- 
-----------------------------------------
> when user click on "click if you have more accounts", another text
filed will be generate right on the next line.
> I know it will use Javascript, also some knowledge about windows DOM
structure, I didn't find some similar website, could you give me some
hints? or give me a website using this kind of text fileds.
> sorry it is not a PHP question.
> Thank you for your help!
> Mark
>
>
> Regards
>
> Mark Jia




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From jayeshsh at netscape.net  Tue Oct 22 22:21:20 2002
From: jayeshsh at netscape.net (Jayesh Sheth)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 22:21:20 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Can I ask a DHTML question
References: <200210222138.g9MLcnqn002180@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DB607A0.3000008@netscape.net>

Hello Mark,

As the others have pointed out, there are basically three ways of adding 
form elements to the page:

1) The first one is an immediate addition to the page of a certain 
element. This can be accomplished in version 5.0 + browsers (IE 5+, 
Netscape 6+)  using the W3C Document Object Model specification and 
JavaScript. This page by Peter-Paul Koch explains how to dynamically add 
a table row ( tr ) to a table. 
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ppk/js/tablefun.html  . I am sure a similar thing 
can be accomplished with form input  and select | option elements. In 
this case, you are really adding or removing elements from a page. A 
good introduction to the DOM and its uses can be found at mozilla.org : 
http://www.mozilla.org/docs/dom/domref/dom_intro.html . Although adding 
and removing elements this way can be tedious, it is one way of doing it.

2)You create, say, 10 form elements on the page, and "hide" 9 of them, 
by using a snippet of JavaScript which will set those 9 to be invisible. 
So, for example, you could have something like (I left the lesser than 
and greater than signs out)
  input class="elem0" value="something 0"
  input class="elem1" value="something 1"
  ...
  input class="elem8" value="something 8"

and then on your page you link the stylesheet mystyle.css in the head 
section, whose contents look like this:

input.elem0 { display:inline; }
input.elem1 { display:none; }
...
input.elem8 { display:none; }

thus all elements except the first are hidden when the page loads. Then, 
using a JavaScript snippet, you can selectively make others visible.
I have only tried this with paragraphs ( the P tag) so I am not sure if 
this wil work.

The code for hiding and unhiding elements can be found here:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ppk/js/blockinvi.html

and also:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~ppk/js/display.html

The important difference between hiding elements here is that there are 
still there - you just can't see them. In the first example, with the 
DOM you can really remove the elements, so they are gone.

3) Another solution - and appropriate for this discussion group - is 
using JavaScript to redirect your page (and the chose elements) to a PHP 
processing script, which will figure out what the user has chosen so 
far, and build extra form elements to the page, before submitting it 
back. The benefit of this is that older browsers (such as Netscape 4.x) 
will be able to use the form you made, because they cannot handle the 
advanced DOM add/remove of elements, and can barely handle the hiding 
/unhiding stuff.

I hope this helps. If you need more specific code, please let me know.

Kind Regards,

- Jay

Mark Jia wrote:

>I got an interface project, but I never be an interface programmer, I think a lot of people out there could know this or could give me some hints, here is my problem:
>I have one text field and a button,  if user want to ask for another text field, user just simply click on the button, then another text field will be generate right after the previous text filed,  user can generate unlimited fields, this function should work for both IE5.0+ and Netcape4.0+.
>like this:
>                                         -------------------------          ----------------------------------------
> Enter your account    :       |                         |         |click if you have more accts|
>                                         --------------------------          -----------------------------------------
>when user click on "click if you have more accounts", another text filed will be generate right on the next line. 
>I know it will use Javascript, also some knowledge about windows DOM structure, I didn't find some similar website, could you give me some hints? or give me a website using this kind of text fileds.
>sorry it is not a PHP question.
>Thank you for your help!
>Mark 
>
>
>Regards
>
>Mark Jia
>
>
>--- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
>
>
>  
>




From villeg2 at nyc.rr.com  Wed Oct 23 01:54:23 2002
From: villeg2 at nyc.rr.com (Jose Villegas)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 22:54:23 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Can I ask a DHTML question
References: <200210230125.g9N1Puqn002495@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <009001c27a58$a395a800$1202a8c0@Ronchamp>

Hi Mark,

I put together a page that I think does what you need:
http://www.third-frame.com/toolbox/dynamic_fields.html

I tested this on IE6 and NN6. I think it should also work on IE5. It
definitely doesn't work on NN4.

Jose

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Jia" <markjia at yahoo.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Can I ask a DHTML question


>
> Thanks for all, actually I can't use hide fields since there is a
number limit, also I can't use server side script since there are heavy
loads on servers, I know server side is safe and will work absolutely,
but I try to resolve it on client side.
> Hi Jose,
> Could you give me one or more websites using the way you said here? I
think that is the way I am looking, I remembered one was on Ebay, but it
was removed recently.
> Thanks for all!
> Mark




From markjia at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 22 23:22:03 2002
From: markjia at yahoo.com (Mark Jia)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 20:22:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Can I ask a DHTML question
In-Reply-To: <200210230254.g9N2s4qn003095@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021023032203.45400.qmail@web20421.mail.yahoo.com>


Thanks Jose! That is Cool! That is what I want! I appreciate your help!!!
Mark
 Jose Villegas <villeg2 at nyc.rr.com> wrote:Hi Mark,

I put together a page that I think does what you need:
http://www.third-frame.com/toolbox/dynamic_fields.html

I tested this on IE6 and NN6. I think it should also work on IE5. It
definitely doesn't work on NN4.

Jose

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Jia" 
To: "NYPHP Talk" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Can I ask a DHTML question


>
> Thanks for all, actually I can't use hide fields since there is a
number limit, also I can't use server side script since there are heavy
loads on servers, I know server side is safe and will work absolutely,
but I try to resolve it on client side.
> Hi Jose,
> Could you give me one or more websites using the way you said here? I
think that is the way I am looking, I remembered one was on Ebay, but it
was removed recently.
> Thanks for all!
> Mark




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From markjia at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 22 23:33:17 2002
From: markjia at yahoo.com (Mark Jia)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 20:33:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Can I ask a DHTML question
In-Reply-To: <200210230225.g9N2POqn002892@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021023033317.93188.qmail@web20416.mail.yahoo.com>


Thanks Jayesh! Thanks for All! Jose gave me a code. 
I appreciate all help!
Mark
 Jayesh Sheth <jayeshsh at netscape.net> wrote:Hello Mark,

As the others have pointed out, there are basically three ways of adding 
form elements to the page:

1) The first one is an immediate addition to the page of a certain 
element. This can be accomplished in version 5.0 + browsers (IE 5+, 
Netscape 6+) using the W3C Document Object Model specification and 
JavaScript. This page by Peter-Paul Koch explains how to dynamically add 
a table row ( tr ) to a table. 
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ppk/js/tablefun.html . I am sure a similar thing 
can be accomplished with form input and select | option elements. In 
this case, you are really adding or removing elements from a page. A 
good introduction to the DOM and its uses can be found at mozilla.org : 
http://www.mozilla.org/docs/dom/domref/dom_intro.html . Although adding 
and removing elements this way can be tedious, it is one way of doing it.

2)You create, say, 10 form elements on the page, and "hide" 9 of them, 
by using a snippet of JavaScript which will set those 9 to be invisible. 
So, for example, you could have something like (I left the lesser than 
and greater than signs out)
input class="elem0" value="something 0"
input class="elem1" value="something 1"
...
input class="elem8" value="something 8"

and then on your page you link the stylesheet mystyle.css in the head 
section, whose contents look like this:

input.elem0 { display:inline; }
input.elem1 { display:none; }
..
input.elem8 { display:none; }

thus all elements except the first are hidden when the page loads. Then, 
using a JavaScript snippet, you can selectively make others visible.
I have only tried this with paragraphs ( the P tag) so I am not sure if 
this wil work.

The code for hiding and unhiding elements can be found here:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ppk/js/blockinvi.html

and also:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~ppk/js/display.html

The important difference between hiding elements here is that there are 
still there - you just can't see them. In the first example, with the 
DOM you can really remove the elements, so they are gone.

3) Another solution - and appropriate for this discussion group - is 
using JavaScript to redirect your page (and the chose elements) to a PHP 
processing script, which will figure out what the user has chosen so 
far, and build extra form elements to the page, before submitting it 
back. The benefit of this is that older browsers (such as Netscape 4.x) 
will be able to use the form you made, because they cannot handle the 
advanced DOM add/remove of elements, and can barely handle the hiding 
/unhiding stuff.

I hope this helps. If you need more specific code, please let me know.

Kind Regards,

- Jay

Mark Jia wrote:

>I got an interface project, but I never be an interface programmer, I think a lot of people out there could know this or could give me some hints, here is my problem:
>I have one text field and a button, if user want to ask for another text field, user just simply click on the button, then another text field will be generate right after the previous text filed, user can generate unlimited fields, this function should work for both IE5.0+ and Netcape4.0+.
>like this:
> ------------------------- ----------------------------------------
> Enter your account : | | |click if you have more accts|
> -------------------------- -----------------------------------------
>when user click on "click if you have more accounts", another text filed will be generate right on the next line. 
>I know it will use Javascript, also some knowledge about windows DOM structure, I didn't find some similar website, could you give me some hints? or give me a website using this kind of text fileds.
>sorry it is not a PHP question.
>Thank you for your help!
>Mark 
>
>
>Regards
>
>Mark Jia
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>




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From tony at jupub.com  Wed Oct 23 04:28:35 2002
From: tony at jupub.com (Anthony Julien)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 01:28:35 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Form Question
In-Reply-To: <200210230333.g9N3XLqn021733@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <6C5231B6-E661-11D6-86B8-003065D6D27C@jupub.com>

Can anyone tell me what wrong with this code? I'm just trying to do an 
INSERT query in mySQL.

<?php

//trims received data from form above:

$artist = trim($artist);
$album = trim($album);
$label = trim($label);
$release = trim($release);
$description = trim($description);

// database connection variables:

$host = "localhost";
$user = "nubiannu_tony";
$password = "trini";
$dbname = "nubiannu_anthony";

$tablename = "NewTable";

$link = mysql_connect($host, $user, $password);

$query = "insert into $tablename values ('0', '$artist', '$album', 
'$label', '$release', '$genre', '$description')";

if ($submit){
if(mysql_db_query ($dbname, $query, $link)){
print("The query: $query was successful.\
");
}
else{
print("The query: $query was unsuccessful, please try again!");
}
mysql_close($link);
?>




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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 23 08:39:48 2002
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 05:39:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Tonight, NYPHP Presents: AMP Development under Win2K and the AIP
Message-ID: <20021023123948.22924.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com>

Tonight, NYPHP Presents...

When: 6:30pm Tonight, 10/23/02
Where: Digital Pulp, Inc
What: "Introduction to AMP Technology -- Development Under Windows
2000" and "The Net and The Association of Internet Professionals,"

More at http://nyphp.org.





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New York PHP
http://nyphp.org
hans at nyphp.org

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From paul at thelanding.us  Wed Oct 23 12:58:54 2002
From: paul at thelanding.us (Landing)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:58:54 -0400
Subject: Web-Master Full Time Job Opportunity at a Fortune 500 HQ
Message-ID: <003a01c27ab5$7a0655e0$33b0fea9@ivfd.com>

I've been telling a friend of mine who is a CIO at a very large company about the impact LAMP could have on his international company HQ in NYC.

He's interested but has a short term need.  He needs a webmaster now in his Oracle/NT environment, going to Sequel Server/ NT environment.  Where the technology goes is impacted by the business case as they move forward.

If this opportunity is of interest to any of you contact me and we can talk and I can get you in touch.  
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From e-merge at dynamicink.com  Wed Oct 23 16:25:26 2002
From: e-merge at dynamicink.com (Dynamic Ink)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:25:26 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Web-Master Full Time Job Opportunity at a Fortune 500 HQ
References: <200210231656.g9NGuiqn022850@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <005601c27ad2$70bb7750$57eafea9@win2kas>

Dear Paul,

I am qualified and interested. Please give me some more details of the
position.

Thank you,

-Eric

----- Original Message -----
From: "Landing" <paul at TheLanding.US>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:56 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Web-Master Full Time Job Opportunity at a Fortune 500
HQ


> I've been telling a friend of mine who is a CIO at a very large company
about the impact LAMP could have on his international company HQ in NYC.
>
> He's interested but has a short term need.  He needs a webmaster now in
his Oracle/NT environment, going to Sequel Server/ NT environment.  Where
the technology goes is impacted by the business case as they move forward.
>
> If this opportunity is of interest to any of you contact me and we can
talk and I can get you in touch.
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
>
>
>



From zaunere at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 23 23:50:33 2002
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 20:50:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Slashdot Meetup Tomorrow Night (10/24 @ 7:00pm)
Message-ID: <20021024035033.93534.qmail@web12808.mail.yahoo.com>


Just a quick reminder that the monthly Slashdot meetup is happening
tomorrow, 10/24 at 7:00pm.

When: 10/24 @ 7:00pm
Where: Remote Lounge (http://remotelounge.com)

Details at http://slashdot.meetup.com (or just show up).

See you there,



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http://nyphp.org
hans at nyphp.org

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From nyphp at websapp.com  Thu Oct 24 11:06:47 2002
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:06:47 -0400
Subject: Web Developer position
In-Reply-To: <200210231656.g9NGuiqn022850@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <OKEHLLMAFAOHECBMOGEPKEINDCAA.nyphp@websapp.com>

Got this on a different mailing list. Maybe one of you guy  is interested:


My company is looking to fill the following position:

Sports Systems is looking for a well-rounded web developer
that is able to take ownership of a project from start to
finish.  The Web Developer needs to be able to develop
requirements, design, implement and support Web sites.

Responsibilities include working on all of Sports Systems?
web sites as well as clients? sites created by Sports
Systems using our own content management system.

Job Qualifications: Cold Fusion, SQL Server 2000
Job also involves: FoxPro, relational database design, IIS
5.0, XML, CSS, JavaScript, WebTrends Reporting Center,
Flash

We would prefer someone interested in sports since the
company provides services to sports teams and leagues at
the college and professional level.

Please send resume and cover letter to Michelle Kempner,
michelle at sportssystems.com.



From MJames at emarketer.com  Thu Oct 24 11:12:09 2002
From: MJames at emarketer.com (Michael James)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:12:09 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Tonight, NYPHP Presents: AMP Development
	under Win2K and the AIP
Message-ID: <sdb7d5a1.000@node72.b2b-hive.com>

I enjoyed the meeting last night (first one for me).  Thanks!

I would be interested in seeing a presentation about Flash and PHP/MySQL if other people are interested too.  I have been doing some work in this area, but I would like to hear about other people's trials and tribulations....  One good website for this I found is:  www.flash-db.com.

Michael

Michael James
www.emarketer.com
821 Broadway
New York, NY 10003
(212) 763-6076 (direct #)
(212) 677-6300 (main #)

mjames at emarketer.com

Join over 50,000 marketers receiving
internet and e-business stat news daily.
Subscribe to the free eMarketer Daily:
http://www.emarketer.com/news/newsletter.php

>>> zaunere at yahoo.com 10/23/02 08:39AM >>>
Tonight, NYPHP Presents...

When: 6:30pm Tonight, 10/23/02
Where: Digital Pulp, Inc
What: "Introduction to AMP Technology -- Development Under Windows
2000" and "The Net and The Association of Internet Professionals,"

More at http://nyphp.org.





=====
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New York PHP
http://nyphp.org 
hans at nyphp.org 

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From andrew at digitalpulp.com  Thu Oct 24 11:30:49 2002
From: andrew at digitalpulp.com (Andrew M. Yochum)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:30:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: PHP Job
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0210241129480.5631-100000@thighmaster.digitalpulp.com>

Contractual job opp...

-- 
Andrew Yochum
Digital Pulp, Inc.
212.679.0676x255
andrew at digitalpulp.com

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:45:05 -0700
From: mjr40 at ix.netcom.com
Reply-To: nyc-g33ks at nyc-g33ks.org
To: nyc-g33ks at nyc-g33ks.org
Subject: [nyc-g33ks] PHP Job

  PHP Guru Sought for Immediate Contract Work        
 
Innovative entertainment application production company looking for PHP guru 
for contract work starting immediately. Initial project is a dynamic backend
for an existing front end, involving media downloads/uploads and 
database connectivity. Must have 2+ years of experience, and more
specifically, must be highly proficient or at least knowledgeable in the 
following issues: 
- best practices for connecting to a database and performing database 
related logic; 
- knowledge of best practices of database schema and related topics(stored
procedures); 
- methods of authenticating clients before allowing downloads, as well as 
accepting uploads; 
- audio processing via PHP modules; 
- connecting to third party HTTP services via PHP. 

Additionally, candidates must have had experience building related projects 
for massively scalable and robust implementations, and must have 
well-organized and commented coding techniques. Candidates should also be 
easy to communicate with and able to document their work (before and after),
and should have had experience in architecting the backends for a variety of
projects they've worked on.    
 
   
 
 Company:  MusicHall Worldwide 
 
 Contact:  Emerson Wong 
 
 Phone:  917-270-3627 
 
 Fax:   
 
 URL:   
 
 Email:  emerson at mh2o.com  
 
 Posted:  20-Oct-02, 04:36 PM 
 




From fields at surgam.net  Thu Oct 24 11:45:17 2002
From: fields at surgam.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:45:17 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Tonight, NYPHP Presents: AMP Development under Win2K and the AIP
In-Reply-To: <200210241509.g9OF9aqn024463@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210241509.g9OF9aqn024463@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021024154517.GB19244@eye.surgam.net>

On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 11:09:36AM -0400, Michael James wrote:
> I enjoyed the meeting last night (first one for me).  Thanks!

Likewise!

> I would be interested in seeing a presentation about Flash and PHP/MySQL if other people are interested too.  I have been doing some work in this area, but I would like to hear about other people's trials and tribulations....  One good website for this I found is:  www.flash-db.com.
> 

Following on Andrew's suggestion, I think I'd like to see something on
good development tools.


-- 
				- Adam

-----
Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
http://www.adamfields.com


From dkrook at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 24 11:48:20 2002
From: dkrook at hotmail.com (D C Krook)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:48:20 -0500
Subject: NYNMA: PHP Guru Sought
Message-ID: <F190aOq7iLlPeGjxB8U00005713@hotmail.com>

Came across this on the New York New Media Assoc. boards:


PHP Guru Sought for Immediate Contract Work
Innovative entertainment application production company looking for PHP guru
for contract work starting immediately. Initial project is a dynamic backend 
for an existing front end, involving media downloads/uploads and
database connectivity. Must have 2+ years of experience, and more 
specifically, must be highly proficient or at least knowledgeable in the
following issues:
- best practices for connecting to a database and performing database
related logic;
- knowledge of best practices of database schema and related topics(stored 
procedures);
- methods of authenticating clients before allowing downloads, as well as
accepting uploads;
- audio processing via PHP modules;
- connecting to third party HTTP services via PHP.

Additionally, candidates must have had experience building related projects
for massively scalable and robust implementations, and must have
well-organized and commented coding techniques. Candidates should also be
easy to communicate with and able to document their work (before and after), 
and should have had experience in architecting the backends for a variety of 
projects they've worked on.
Company: MusicHall Worldwide
Contact: Emerson Wong
Phone: 917-270-3627
Fax:
URL:
Email: emerson at mh2o.com
Posted: 20-Oct-02, 04:36 PM














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http://civet.net/ || http://dev.krook.org/



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From palexanderbalogh at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 24 18:21:03 2002
From: palexanderbalogh at yahoo.com (Peter Balogh)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 15:21:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Programmer needed
Message-ID: <20021024222103.11293.qmail@web40312.mail.yahoo.com>

The company I'm working for is looking for a contract programmer in the
New York area.  The project will begin next Wednesday, by all
indications, and will involve PHP and mySQL programming.  They're using
Postnuke for a CMS and want to create customized sections that tap into
Postnuke session variables, so familiarity with the inner workings of
that CMS is a big, big plus. Some light travel within the NY area is
required but will be fully reimbursed, and they tell me that the pay
will be competitive.

Reply to me off-list with relevant links and any information you wish
to pass along.

Thank you.

--------
Peter Balogh
http://www.drunkencop.com

__________________________________________________

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From georgenatalino at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 25 01:41:39 2002
From: georgenatalino at yahoo.com (georgenatalino at yahoo.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 01:41:39 -0400
Subject: Free Exhibits Pass and more to LinuxWorld New York
Message-ID: <3DB8D993.BA3F3AAB@yahoo.com>

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From cjtotheg at artisanquest.com  Fri Oct 25 15:38:12 2002
From: cjtotheg at artisanquest.com (Clay Givens)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 03:38:12 +0800 (MYT)
Subject: Executing from the command line
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0210260325440.12326-100000@www.1hp.net>

Hello,
I'm trying to run a program from the command line using the passthru()
function. I'm using phptriad on an NT machine. I can get the passthru()
function to execut basic DOS commands like "dir" etc, but as soon as I try
to execute a program, my browser spins. I'm adding an extra layer even, by
running the program through a c command line parser that I wrote. Still no
good. The command line argument is executed, but it starts a rogue process
or something because the programs are running in my task manager, but the
browser never comes back.

So this is quite a situation for me now... I'm wondering if anyone has
experience running command lines from a PHP page.

Thanks a lot!
Clay

For your reference, here is my php code:

<?php

print("Click the button to execute SilkTest locally<br>");
print("<form action=\\"test.php\\" method=post>\
");
print("<input type=hidden value=1 name=go>\
");
print("<input type=submit>\
");
print("</form>\
");

if($go == 1){
	//execute local c program
	//$command = "sys_run.exe
c://progra~1/Segue/SilkTest/partner.exe";
	//$command = "/apache/htdocs/pats/sys_run.exe
/progra~1/Segue/SilkTest/partner.exe -r
/apache/htdocs/pats/pats_individual_template.t > output.txt";
	$command = "/apache/htdocs/pats/sys_run.exe
/progra~1/Segue/SilkTest/partner.exe -q -resexport -r
/apache/htdocs/pats/pats_testplan.pln";
	//$command = "/apache/htdocs/pats/sys_run.exe
/progra~1/Segue/SilkTest/partner.exe";
	//$command = "/apache/htdocs/pats/sys_run.exe dir"; //works
	//$return = exec($command);
   //$return = system($command);

	//$return = exec("c://progra~1/Segue/SilkTest/partner.exe -r
c://apache/htdocs/pats/pats_individual_template.t");
	print("<pre>");
		passthru($command);
	print("</pre>");
}

?>

and here is my c program sys_run.c that is using a system() command with
the parsed
arguments in argv[]:

#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <string.h>

int main(int argc, char * argv[]){
	int a, b, c;
	char CmdLn[5200];

	if(argc < 2){
		printf("please specify a system command (with optional
arguments) as an argument");
		return 0;
	}

	printf("argc = %d\
", argc);

	for(a=1, b=2, c=argc; b<=c; a++, b++){
		if(b == 2){
			strcpy(CmdLn, argv[a]);
			strcat(CmdLn, " ");
		}
		if( (b > 2) && (b < c) ){
			strcat(CmdLn, argv[a]);
			strcat(CmdLn, " ");
		}
		if(b == c){
			strcat(CmdLn, argv[a]);
		}
		printf("loop: CmdLn = %s\
", CmdLn);
	}

	//"c://progra~1/Segue/SilkTest/partner.exe -r
c://apache/htdocs/pats/pats_individual_template.t"

	printf("final: CmdLn = %s\
", CmdLn);

	system(CmdLn);

	return 0;
}




From zaunere at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 27 20:57:03 2002
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 17:57:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Win2K Development Presentation Online
Message-ID: <20021028015703.91640.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com>


Good evening,

Last week's presentation material from Daniel is now online at
http://nyphp.org/presentations/

If anyone notices any errors, please let me know.  Also, there were
several good links and points made during the presentation, and I
noticed some people were taking notes as well.  Please send me any
useful notes and I'll add them to the presentation so others may see
them.

Thank you,

=====
Hans Zaunere
New York PHP
http://nyphp.org
hans at nyphp.org

__________________________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site
http://webhosting.yahoo.com/


From fields at surgam.net  Sun Oct 27 21:16:48 2002
From: fields at surgam.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 20:16:48 -0600
Subject: unserialize_callback_func
Message-ID: <20021028021648.GF14105@eye.surgam.net>


I'm trying to use unserialize_callback_func to set up an autoloader
function to be called if an object is unserialized and the class
hasn't been defined yet.

However, it doesn't seem to work - the callback function isn't getting
called.

I tried ini_set and setting the value explicitly in the php.ini, but
it doesn't call the function.

Drawing on the example from the docs:

-------------------
function __unser($class)
{
  die ("Callback");
}
ini_set('unserialize_callback_func','__unser');
$serialized_object='O:1:"a":1:{s:5:"value";s:3:"100";}';
print_r (unserialize($serialized_object));
-------------------

should print "Callback", but instead, it prints (as expected without
the callback) "Array ( ) __PHP_Incomplete_Class Object (
[__PHP_Incomplete_Class_Name] => a [value] => 100 ) ".

Has anyone used this successfully?

Also, assuming there's a way to do this, does anyone know if this
callback can be a class method for a singleton class instead of a
regular function?

-- 
				- Adam

-----
Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
http://www.adamfields.com


From kaangunay at superonline.com  Sun Oct 27 21:20:07 2002
From: kaangunay at superonline.com (Kaan Gunay)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 21:20:07 -0500
Subject: Hosting
In-Reply-To: <200210280157.g9S1v7qn032464@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAARjbw9YbCUE6qHocXMk9qVsKAAAAQAAAAK7rRECvJh0K2lL+wqgBdaQEAAAAA@superonline.com>



Does anyone know a good hosting company with php and mysql support.
It should be either free or cheap since I am a student. I need to use it
to test my application on the web.

Thank you very much

Kaan




From nyphp at altunergil.com  Sun Oct 27 21:43:17 2002
From: nyphp at altunergil.com (Oktay Altunergil)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 21:43:17 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Hosting
In-Reply-To: <200210280220.g9S2KUqn032516@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210280220.g9S2KUqn032516@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021027214317.1fb6284a.nyphp@altunergil.com>

jtlnet.com has pretty decent prices and a very high speed network which makes it ideal for small sites.

oktay

On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 21:20:30 -0500
Kaan Gunay <kaangunay at superonline.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> Does anyone know a good hosting company with php and mysql support.
> It should be either free or cheap since I am a student. I need to use it
> to test my application on the web.
> 
> Thank you very much
> 
> Kaan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
> 
> 


From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Sun Oct 27 21:51:37 2002
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 21:51:37 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Hosting
References: <200210280220.g9S2KUqn032516@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <007c01c27e2c$ef65c440$6401a8c0@Notebook>

I have a freind who runs www.hostvelocity.com which provides quite cheap
hosting with php and mysql support.  Check it out, and if you sign up, let
Stephen know that Jim Hendricks with Biz Computing made the recommendation.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kaan Gunay" <kaangunay at superonline.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 9:20 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Hosting


>
>
> Does anyone know a good hosting company with php and mysql support.
> It should be either free or cheap since I am a student. I need to use it
> to test my application on the web.
>
> Thank you very much
>
> Kaan
>
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
>
>
>
>
>




From jbmurphyii at mac.com  Sun Oct 27 22:16:26 2002
From: jbmurphyii at mac.com (John B. Murphy)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 22:16:26 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Hosting
In-Reply-To: <200210280220.g9S2KUqn032516@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <A4E04FA0-EA23-11D6-9047-000393D6CFDC@mac.com>

Kaan

We have been using ipowerweb.com has that and more for 7.95/mo


john


On Sunday, October 27, 2002, at 09:20 PM, Kaan Gunay wrote:

>
>
> Does anyone know a good hosting company with php and mysql support.
> It should be either free or cheap since I am a student. I need to use 
> it
> to test my application on the web.
>
> Thank you very much
>
> Kaan
>
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
>
>



From punktoad at oddpost.com  Sun Oct 27 22:16:40 2002
From: punktoad at oddpost.com (Jeffrey Konikowski)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 19:16:40 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Hosting
Message-ID: <200210280321.g9S3LXqn032635@parsec.nyphp.org>

I have used phpwebhosting.com and have had good experiences in both the uptime of their servers and responses from customer service. 
  
Jeffrey 

-----Original Message----- 

Does anyone know a good hosting company with php and mysql support. 
It should be either free or cheap since I am a student. I need to use it 
to test my application on the web. 

Thank you very much 

Kaan 




--- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list --- 


From nyphp at websapp.com  Sun Oct 27 22:41:34 2002
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 22:41:34 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Hosting
In-Reply-To: <200210280321.g9S3Lbqn032639@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000001c27e33$f383d3d0$7560c118@blackjack>

Okay, so I'll post mine too :)
http://thehostingcompany.us

--Daniel 



-----Original Message-----
From: Jeffrey Konikowski [mailto:punktoad at oddpost.com] 
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 10:22 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Hosting


I have used phpwebhosting.com and have had good experiences in both the
uptime of their servers and responses from customer service. 
  
Jeffrey 

-----Original Message----- 

Does anyone know a good hosting company with php and mysql support. 
It should be either free or cheap since I am a student. I need to use it

to test my application on the web. 

Thank you very much 

Kaan 




 


--- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---




From joserivera at mindspring.com  Sun Oct 27 22:50:31 2002
From: joserivera at mindspring.com (Jose B. Rivera)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 22:50:31 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Hosting
In-Reply-To: <200210280321.g9S3Lbqn032639@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210280321.g9S3Lbqn032639@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <5ucpru86ivrc8r1kdo7io21o610fmat88d@4ax.com>

I have been using www.hostingmatters.com.  Great prices and
features a very nice online community of all who use this host.

Jose B. Rivera
www.east-harlem.com
www.powermemorialacademy.com
>





From tony at jupub.com  Mon Oct 28 02:49:40 2002
From: tony at jupub.com (Anthony Julien)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 23:49:40 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Hosting
In-Reply-To: <200210280220.g9S2KUqn032516@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <D083A03C-EA49-11D6-A417-003065D6D27C@jupub.com>

www.eperfect.net. $10 per month


On Sunday, October 27, 2002, at 06:20  PM, Kaan Gunay wrote:

>
>
> Does anyone know a good hosting company with php and mysql support.
> It should be either free or cheap since I am a student. I need to use 
> it
> to test my application on the web.
>
> Thank you very much
>
> Kaan
>
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
>
>



From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Sun Oct 27 23:55:15 2002
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 23:55:15 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Hosting
References: <200210280220.g9S2KUqn032516@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DBCC333.9030902@jonbaer.net>

http://www.phpwebhosting.com

for $10 a month for php and mysql you can't really complain.

- jon

Kaan Gunay wrote:

>Does anyone know a good hosting company with php and mysql support.
>It should be either free or cheap since I am a student. I need to use it
>to test my application on the web.
>
>Thank you very much
>
>Kaan
>
>
>
>
>--- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
>
>
>
>
>  
>




From dorgan at optonline.net  Mon Oct 28 00:18:14 2002
From: dorgan at optonline.net (Donald J. Organ IV)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 00:18:14 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Hosting
References: <200210280220.g9S2KUqn032516@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <00a501c27e41$6b4d0960$0600020a@laptop01>

does anyone know any free php/mysql hosting sites?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kaan Gunay" <kaangunay at superonline.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 9:20 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Hosting


> 
> 
> Does anyone know a good hosting company with php and mysql support.
> It should be either free or cheap since I am a student. I need to use it
> to test my application on the web.
> 
> Thank you very much
> 
> Kaan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
> 
> 
> 



From lists at ehummel.net  Mon Oct 28 00:44:48 2002
From: lists at ehummel.net (Erik)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 00:44:48 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Hosting
In-Reply-To: <200210280220.g9S2KUqn032516@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000001c27e45$231b7380$0200a8c0@laptophum>

http://www.loadedweb.com/ 
$7.00/month mySql & php

No problems with their service. They will even create a custom plan for
you if what you need is in between two of the set plans (what I did)

Erik

>Does anyone know a good hosting company with php and mysql support.
>Kaan




From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Mon Oct 28 00:38:54 2002
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 00:38:54 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Hosting
References: <200210280523.g9S5NLqn032850@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DBCCD6E.2000800@jonbaer.net>

try these guys

http://localhost

:-)

- jon

Donald J. Organ IV wrote:

>does anyone know any free php/mysql hosting sites?
>
>
>  
>




From nyphp at altunergil.com  Mon Oct 28 00:45:53 2002
From: nyphp at altunergil.com (Oktay Altunergil)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 00:45:53 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Hosting
In-Reply-To: <200210280545.g9S5jiqn032898@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210280545.g9S5jiqn032898@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021028004553.0d97e284.nyphp@altunergil.com>

This is one of those threads that should really be a FAQ item on the web site.

By the way.. very good one Jon :P

oktay


On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 00:45:44 -0500
Jon Baer <jonbaer at jonbaer.net> wrote:

> try these guys
> 
> http://localhost
> 
> :-)
> 
> - jon
> 
> Donald J. Organ IV wrote:
> 
> >does anyone know any free php/mysql hosting sites?
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
> 
> 


From mz34 at nyu.edu  Mon Oct 28 06:50:36 2002
From: mz34 at nyu.edu (Matthew Zimmerman)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 06:50:36 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Hosting
In-Reply-To: <200210280316.g9S3GXqn032625@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <78A5FA4B-EA6B-11D6-9C63-00039344DCA8@nyu.edu>

I use this as well.

On Sunday, October 27, 2002, at 10:16  PM, John B. Murphy wrote:

> Kaan
>
> We have been using ipowerweb.com has that and more for 7.95/mo
>
>
> john
>
>
> On Sunday, October 27, 2002, at 09:20 PM, Kaan Gunay wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know a good hosting company with php and mysql support.
>> It should be either free or cheap since I am a student. I need to use
>> it
>> to test my application on the web.
>>
>> Thank you very much
>>
>> Kaan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
>
>
>
MZ
_________________
Matthew Zimmerman
Humanities Computing Group, NYU
Tel: 212.998.3038
Fax: 212.995.4120



From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Mon Oct 28 07:25:54 2002
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 07:25:54 -0500
Subject: Sun and LAMP
References: <200210281150.g9SBogqn033555@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <00c301c27e7d$298a3390$6401a8c0@Notebook>

Thought you all would get a hoot out of this:

http://www.theopenenterprise.com/story/TOE20021025S0001

So, how many of you who are LAMP are also Java as Sun seems to think?

I'll start by saying I'm a Java programmer who has added LAMP/WAMP to my
repetoir.

Jim

_____________________________________________________________
Jim Hendricks, President, Biz Computing, Inc
Phone:  (201) 599-9380     Email: jim at bizcomputinginc.com
Web: www.bizcomputinginc.com
Snail:  Jim Hendricks,  Biz Computing, Inc.,  255 McKinley Ave, New Milford,
NJ 07646
 ______________________________________________________________




From emm at scriptdigital.com  Mon Oct 28 09:37:46 2002
From: emm at scriptdigital.com (Emmanuel. M. Decarie)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:37:46 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Hosting
In-Reply-To: <200210281150.g9SBogqn033555@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210281150.g9SBogqn033555@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <p05111b10b9e2fbe2e33e@[192.168.0.2]>

http://www.cornerhost.com

Start at $5/month. I've been we cornerhost.com for six months and I'm 
more than satisfied.

Cheers
-Emmanuel
-- 
______________________________________________________________________
Emmanuel D?carie / Programmation pour le Web - Programming for the Web
Frontier - Perl - PHP - Javascript - XML  <http://scriptdigital.com/>



From nyphp at jimbishop.org  Mon Oct 28 10:21:00 2002
From: nyphp at jimbishop.org (nyphp at jimbishop.org)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 07:21:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Commercial-grade Hosting
In-Reply-To: <200210281225.g9SCPxqn033606@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0210280713210.26800-100000@cypress.he.net>


Now that we've heard all (1) of the realy cheap places to host your AMP
site (2), does anyone have recommendations for ISPs that are good for
fully or partially managed servers?  co-location?  I work for a small dev
shop, and we are constantly shuttling between all of these little
companies to fine a good deal.  

I've been trying to persuade the group to invest in a managed or a colo
server recently.  One of our clients has a managed server with AT&T.  The
service is impeccable, but the price tag is close to $5k/month which is a
little high.  I would appreciate all of your responses.  I've done some
research myself, but all of these companies say they do the same thing
with a varying array of pricing structures.

So tell me your experiences with these guys. 


Thanks in advance,

Jim Bishop



==================================================================

1 jtlnet.com
  hostvelocity.com
  ipowerweb.com
  phpwebhosting.com
  thehostingcompany.us
  hostingmatters.com
  eperfect.net
  loadedweb.com
  cornerhost.com

2 I use http://www.he.net, and they rock.



From fields at surgam.net  Mon Oct 28 10:38:37 2002
From: fields at surgam.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:38:37 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sun and LAMP
In-Reply-To: <200210281225.g9SCPxqn033606@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210281225.g9SCPxqn033606@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021028153837.GH14105@eye.surgam.net>

On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 07:25:59AM -0500, Jim Hendricks wrote:
> Thought you all would get a hoot out of this:
> 
> http://www.theopenenterprise.com/story/TOE20021025S0001
> 
> So, how many of you who are LAMP are also Java as Sun seems to think?
> 
> I'll start by saying I'm a Java programmer who has added LAMP/WAMP to my
> repetoir.

As always, the right tool for the right job. PHP and Java are >not<
competitors. I'm finding that PHP is, in addition to being a decent
open application platform, an appropriate tool for rapid prototyping
of Java applications. As long as you use classes, it's not terribly
difficult to port PHP apps to Java.

This would be made much much easier with two features which PHP lacks
(which have just become my top two feature requests):

1) Server-side request forwarding.

2) Private and protected instance variables.

-- 
				- Adam

-----
Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
http://www.adamfields.com


From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Mon Oct 28 10:48:23 2002
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:48:23 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Commercial-grade Hosting
References: <200210281521.g9SFL4qn033794@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <016101c27e99$732b9f90$6401a8c0@Notebook>

I believe www.hostvelocity.com does co-lo, but I don't know what his prices
are etc. for that since I go with just the hosting service.  I also know
that Host Velocity also does service reselling so if NYPHP wanted to provide
hosting service, they could be a Host Velocity reseller and not have to
worry about the majority of the headache of managing the hosting.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: <nyphp at jimbishop.org>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 10:21 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Commercial-grade Hosting


>
> Now that we've heard all (1) of the realy cheap places to host your AMP
> site (2), does anyone have recommendations for ISPs that are good for
> fully or partially managed servers?  co-location?  I work for a small dev
> shop, and we are constantly shuttling between all of these little
> companies to fine a good deal.
>
> I've been trying to persuade the group to invest in a managed or a colo
> server recently.  One of our clients has a managed server with AT&T.  The
> service is impeccable, but the price tag is close to $5k/month which is a
> little high.  I would appreciate all of your responses.  I've done some
> research myself, but all of these companies say they do the same thing
> with a varying array of pricing structures.
>
> So tell me your experiences with these guys.
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Jim Bishop
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
> 1 jtlnet.com
>   hostvelocity.com
>   ipowerweb.com
>   phpwebhosting.com
>   thehostingcompany.us
>   hostingmatters.com
>   eperfect.net
>   loadedweb.com
>   cornerhost.com
>
> 2 I use http://www.he.net, and they rock.
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
>
>
>
>
>




From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Mon Oct 28 11:10:50 2002
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:10:50 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Commercial-grade Hosting
In-Reply-To: <200210281521.g9SFL4qn033794@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210281521.g9SFL4qn033794@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021028161050.GA6080@panix.com>

Hi Jim:

On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 10:21:04AM -0500, nyphp at jimbishop.org wrote:
> 
> Now that we've heard all (1) of the realy cheap places to host your AMP
> site (2), does anyone have recommendations for ISPs that are good for
> fully or partially managed servers?

A client of mine uses Pair for a dedicated server.  They've been pretty 
responsive.  No major snafus.

Enjoy,

--Dan

-- 
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        SQL Solution  |   Layout Solution   |  Form Solution
    sqlsolution.info  | layoutsolution.info |  formsolution.info
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From nyphp at altunergil.com  Mon Oct 28 11:22:00 2002
From: nyphp at altunergil.com (Oktay Altunergil)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:22:00 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Commercial-grade Hosting
In-Reply-To: <200210281521.g9SFL4qn033794@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210281521.g9SFL4qn033794@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021028112200.0a415281.nyphp@altunergil.com>

I work for Datapipe.. (www.datapipe.com). Although we do colo, it's not our specialty. We do provide dedicated, security managed (we apply all security related patches without you having to do anything), and fully managed ( you tell us what to do and it will get done immediately).

We provide both Unix and Windows based solutions and have very knowladgeable support personnel for both. (I was one of those hehe).
Anyway. Let me know if you have any questions or would like a contact name from our sales department.

oktay


On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:21:04 -0500
nyphp at jimbishop.org wrote:

> 
> Now that we've heard all (1) of the realy cheap places to host your AMP
> site (2), does anyone have recommendations for ISPs that are good for
> fully or partially managed servers?  co-location?  I work for a small dev
> shop, and we are constantly shuttling between all of these little
> companies to fine a good deal.  
> 
> I've been trying to persuade the group to invest in a managed or a colo
> server recently.  One of our clients has a managed server with AT&T.  The
> service is impeccable, but the price tag is close to $5k/month which is a
> little high.  I would appreciate all of your responses.  I've done some
> research myself, but all of these companies say they do the same thing
> with a varying array of pricing structures.
> 
> So tell me your experiences with these guys. 
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Jim Bishop
> 
> 
> 
> ==================================================================
> 
> 1 jtlnet.com
>   hostvelocity.com
>   ipowerweb.com
>   phpwebhosting.com
>   thehostingcompany.us
>   hostingmatters.com
>   eperfect.net
>   loadedweb.com
>   cornerhost.com
> 
> 2 I use http://www.he.net, and they rock.
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 


From sailer at bnl.gov  Mon Oct 28 11:25:40 2002
From: sailer at bnl.gov (Tim Sailer)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:25:40 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Commercial-grade Hosting
In-Reply-To: <200210281611.g9SGBFqn033894@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210281611.g9SGBFqn033894@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021028162540.GD16838@bnl.gov>

http://www.gothambus.com/ and ask for Drew. Tell him that I pointed
you in his direction. He'll take care of you.

Tim

On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 11:11:15AM -0500, Analysis & Solutions wrote:
> Hi Jim:
> 
> On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 10:21:04AM -0500, nyphp at jimbishop.org wrote:
> > 
> > Now that we've heard all (1) of the realy cheap places to host your AMP
> > site (2), does anyone have recommendations for ISPs that are good for
> > fully or partially managed servers?
> 
> A client of mine uses Pair for a dedicated server.  They've been pretty 
> responsive.  No major snafus.
> 
> Enjoy,
> 
> --Dan
> 
> -- 
>                PHP classes that make web design easier
>         SQL Solution  |   Layout Solution   |  Form Solution
>     sqlsolution.info  | layoutsolution.info |  formsolution.info
>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
>  4015 7 Av #4AJ, Brooklyn NY     v: 718-854-0335     f: 718-854-0409
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
> 
> 
> 

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From fields at surgam.net  Mon Oct 28 11:45:59 2002
From: fields at surgam.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:45:59 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] unserialize_callback_func
In-Reply-To: <200210280217.g9S2H2qn032503@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210280217.g9S2H2qn032503@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021028164558.GJ14105@eye.surgam.net>

On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 09:17:02PM -0500, Adam Fields wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to use unserialize_callback_func to set up an autoloader
> function to be called if an object is unserialized and the class
> hasn't been defined yet.
> 
> However, it doesn't seem to work - the callback function isn't getting
> called.

I found the problem. Apparently, this setting doesn't exist in
versions prior to 4.2, and the documentation listing applicable
versions is wrong.


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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 28 11:53:48 2002
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:53:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] unserialize_callback_func
In-Reply-To: <200210280217.g9S2H2qn032503@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021028165348.32794.qmail@web12802.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Adam Fields <fields at surgam.net> wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to use unserialize_callback_func to set up an autoloader
> function to be called if an object is unserialized and the class
> hasn't been defined yet.
> 
> However, it doesn't seem to work - the callback function isn't
> getting called.
> 
> I tried ini_set and setting the value explicitly in the php.ini, but
> it doesn't call the function.
> 
> Drawing on the example from the docs:
> 
> -------------------
> function __unser($class)
> {
>   die ("Callback");
> }
> ini_set('unserialize_callback_func','__unser');
> $serialized_object='O:1:"a":1:{s:5:"value";s:3:"100";}';
> print_r (unserialize($serialized_object));
> -------------------
> 
> should print "Callback", but instead, it prints (as expected without
> the callback) "Array ( ) __PHP_Incomplete_Class Object (
> [__PHP_Incomplete_Class_Name] => a [value] => 100 ) ".
> 
> Has anyone used this successfully?

Yeah, I'm using this right now.  The example looks like it should work,
however consider a couple things:
  -- Drop the underscores from the function's name (use a plain-jane
function name initially for testing).
  -- Instead of die() in the callback, use trigger_error(), as dieing
might not act as expected when within a callback.

> Also, assuming there's a way to do this, does anyone know if this
> callback can be a class method for a singleton class instead of a
> regular function?

Not sure, but I can't think of why not.



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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 28 11:59:51 2002
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:59:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Executing from the command line
In-Reply-To: <200210251938.g9PJcMqn026426@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021028165951.21849.qmail@web12808.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Clay Givens <cjtotheg at artisanquest.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm trying to run a program from the command line using the
> passthru() function. I'm using phptriad on an NT machine. I can get
> the passthru() function to execut basic DOS commands like "dir" etc,
> but as soon as I try to execute a program, my browser spins.

Can you tell if the program is ever getting executed?  Maybe you have
some path/permission problems?

I'm not sure about NT so much, but popen() and proc_open() may work
better for you.

H

> I'm adding an extra layer even, by running the program through a c
> command line parser that I wrote. Still no good. The command line
> argument is executed, but it starts a rogue process or something
> because the programs are running in my task manager, but the browser
> never comes back.

If the program expects input from stdin or output via stderr/stdout
you'll need to write/read, otherwise it will hang with either an empty
or filled buffer.  This is where popen() might be good, or better yet,
proc_open() if available.

H


> 
> So this is quite a situation for me now... I'm wondering if anyone
> has
> experience running command lines from a PHP page.
> 
> Thanks a lot!
> Clay
> 
> For your reference, here is my php code:
> 
> <?php
> 
> print("Click the button to execute SilkTest locally<br>");
> print("<form action=\\"test.php\\" method=post>\
");
> print("<input type=hidden value=1 name=go>\
");
> print("<input type=submit>\
");
> print("</form>\
");
> 
> if($go == 1){
> 	//execute local c program
> 	//$command = "sys_run.exe
> c://progra~1/Segue/SilkTest/partner.exe";
> 	//$command = "/apache/htdocs/pats/sys_run.exe
> /progra~1/Segue/SilkTest/partner.exe -r
> /apache/htdocs/pats/pats_individual_template.t > output.txt";
> 	$command = "/apache/htdocs/pats/sys_run.exe
> /progra~1/Segue/SilkTest/partner.exe -q -resexport -r
> /apache/htdocs/pats/pats_testplan.pln";
> 	//$command = "/apache/htdocs/pats/sys_run.exe
> /progra~1/Segue/SilkTest/partner.exe";
> 	//$command = "/apache/htdocs/pats/sys_run.exe dir"; //works
> 	//$return = exec($command);
>    //$return = system($command);
> 
> 	//$return = exec("c://progra~1/Segue/SilkTest/partner.exe -r
> c://apache/htdocs/pats/pats_individual_template.t");
> 	print("<pre>");
> 		passthru($command);
> 	print("</pre>");
> }
> 
> ?>
> 
> and here is my c program sys_run.c that is using a system() command
> with
> the parsed
> arguments in argv[]:
> 
> #include <stdio.h>
> #include <stdlib.h>
> #include <string.h>
> 
> int main(int argc, char * argv[]){
> 	int a, b, c;
> 	char CmdLn[5200];
> 
> 	if(argc < 2){
> 		printf("please specify a system command (with optional
> arguments) as an argument");
> 		return 0;
> 	}
> 
> 	printf("argc = %d\
", argc);
> 
> 	for(a=1, b=2, c=argc; b<=c; a++, b++){
> 		if(b == 2){
> 			strcpy(CmdLn, argv[a]);
> 			strcat(CmdLn, " ");
> 		}
> 		if( (b > 2) && (b < c) ){
> 			strcat(CmdLn, argv[a]);
> 			strcat(CmdLn, " ");
> 		}
> 		if(b == c){
> 			strcat(CmdLn, argv[a]);
> 		}
> 		printf("loop: CmdLn = %s\
", CmdLn);
> 	}
> 
> 	//"c://progra~1/Segue/SilkTest/partner.exe -r
> c://apache/htdocs/pats/pats_individual_template.t"
> 
> 	printf("final: CmdLn = %s\
", CmdLn);
> 
> 	system(CmdLn);
> 
> 	return 0;
> }
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 


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From sharpwit at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 28 13:42:22 2002
From: sharpwit at hotmail.com ((kris)janis p gale)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:42:22 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Commercial-grade Hosting
References: <200210281521.g9SFL4qn033794@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <OE52S4HIv6EybqfAj8100000e82@hotmail.com>

i use ControlQuest (www.cqhost.com) to host my site (krisgale.com)
and i haven't even begun to tap all the features they offer...
for $12.50 a month you get 100mb storage, a mysql db, and
support for just about every scripting language + platform
you can imagine...  php (4.22), jsp (resin 2.14 and jdk 1.4),
asp (chilisoft + spicepack), frontpage extensions, coldfusion (mx),
and php (4.22)... you can use all of these interchangably from
the same shared volume - i honestly don't know how they got
all six coexisting peacefully on the same config but it does make
for one hell of a development/test suite...
besides the $12.50 a month "cherokee" server, they have
plans ranging from there for more corporate purposes...
it's been my experience that they respond to trouble tickets
Quite rapidly, and are even technical enough to read YOUR
source code to offer help and possible solutions to problems...
i recommend them without hesitation.



From billpatterson48 at netscape.net  Tue Oct 29 07:35:50 2002
From: billpatterson48 at netscape.net (please reply to "patterson@computer.org")
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 07:35:50 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Hosting
Message-ID: <153AA6C5.3D3169CB.C9B8F45B@netscape.net>

I have had good experiences with them also.

Jeffrey Konikowski <punktoad at oddpost.com> wrote:

>I have used phpwebhosting.com and have had good experiences in both the uptime of their servers and responses from customer service. 
> ?
>Jeffrey 
>
>-----Original Message----- 
>
>Does anyone know a good hosting company with php and mysql support. 
>It should be either free or cheap since I am a student. I need to use it 
>to test my application on the web. 
>
>Thank you very much 
>
>Kaan 
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
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>
>
>



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From billpatterson48 at netscape.net  Tue Oct 29 07:58:49 2002
From: billpatterson48 at netscape.net (please reply to "patterson@computer.org")
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 07:58:49 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Commercial-grade Hosting
Message-ID: <00494558.0DDD7399.C9B8F45B@netscape.net>

Here is a site that evaluate web hosts:
http://www.hostindex.com/

Bill

nyphp at jimbishop.org wrote:

>
>Now that we've heard all (1) of the realy cheap places to host your AMP
>site (2), does anyone have recommendations for ISPs that are good for
>fully or partially managed servers? ?co-location? ?I work for a small dev
>shop, and we are constantly shuttling between all of these little
>companies to fine a good deal. ?
>
>I've been trying to persuade the group to invest in a managed or a colo
>server recently. ?One of our clients has a managed server with AT&T. ?The
>service is impeccable, but the price tag is close to $5k/month which is a
>little high. ?I would appreciate all of your responses. ?I've done some
>research myself, but all of these companies say they do the same thing
>with a varying array of pricing structures.
>
>So tell me your experiences with these guys. 
>
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Jim Bishop
>
>
>
>==================================================================
>
>1 jtlnet.com
> ?hostvelocity.com
> ?ipowerweb.com
> ?phpwebhosting.com
> ?thehostingcompany.us
> ?hostingmatters.com
> ?eperfect.net
> ?loadedweb.com
> ?cornerhost.com
>
>2 I use http://www.he.net, and they rock.
>
>
>
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>
>
>


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From liquidm3 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 29 08:27:51 2002
From: liquidm3 at hotmail.com (Liquid M3)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:27:51 -0500
Subject: CQHost and JSP vs. PHP
Message-ID: <F188luLCTaogxLDp7mv0000011e@hotmail.com>

I had an extremely bad experience with CQHost.  Poor uptime, poor 
communication.  My site was down for days at a time.

I was drawn to CQHost by the JSP support (and, in fact, I'm writing a JSP 
version of LiquidClassifiedsXML right now - and have nowhere to host it, now 
that I'm letting my CQHost account expire).

Ever wonder why PHP support is widely available while JSP support is offered 
by relatively few hosts on hosting plans that cost less than $15/month? 
(even though JSP appears to be far more popular with employers)

CQHost blamed its uptime problems on Resin, which it said was causing 
resource utilization problems.  This seems plausible enough to me - I can 
see that with client-side apps that Java tends to be a memory and processor 
hog, and I believe that it behaves similarly on the server-side (see 
http://www.chamas.com/bench/index.html and look, especially, at the red bars 
indicating memory usage).

But I don't want to give the appearance of claiming that PHP is good while 
JSP is bad.

My belief is that PHP tends to be better suited for small websites/companies 
while JSP/servlets/EJBs tend to be better suited for large 
websites/companies, particularly ones for which data loss or downtime can 
have catastrophic implications.

I would use JSP/servlets/EJBs if I needed things like failover and message 
queueing - probably important if I am processing trades.  I wouldn't want to 
lose a few Soros Fund trades just because the server went down temporarily 
(rather, I'd like them to go into a message queue, to be processed later 
when the server comes back up).

I would use PHP if I needed to make a quick and cheap website that primarily 
serves information as opposed to processing financial transactions.

But this is just my opinion; no doubt, lots of people on this list will 
disagree with me.

And I'll note, before other people point this out, that at least one large 
company appears to be adopting PHP: 
http://public.yahoo.com/~radwin/talks/yahoo-phpcon2002.htm

But as far as I can tell, the major Wall Street firms are big 
JSP/servlet/EJB users rather than PHP users.


Ted

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From prest5 at preston-campbell.com  Tue Oct 29 09:28:02 2002
From: prest5 at preston-campbell.com (Brian Preston-Campbell)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 9:28:02 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] CQHost and JSP vs. PHP
Message-ID: <200210291428.g9TES2o27214@hera.domainnameservers.net>

Large companies may choose JSP simply because Sun is a publicly traded
company that sells enterprise scale servers with JSP included and provides
active support for their products.  Brand name goes a long way in the
corporate world -- "What company is behind PHP?  Trust our sensitive data
and transactions to an open source product? We should stick with what we
know."  In trying to convince a company to migrate to a LAMP server I was
recentky asked those very questions, so until IBM, Corel and the other "big
names" make some headway in their Linux campaigns, big business as a whole
may not be ready for PHP.

Brian



---------  Original message --------
From: Liquid M3 <liquidm3 at hotmail.com>
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
Subject: [nycphp-talk] CQHost and JSP vs. PHP
Date: 10-29-02 08:42

> I had an extremely bad experience with CQHost.  Poor uptime, poor
communication.  My site was down for days at a time.

I was drawn to CQHost by the JSP support (and, in fact, I'm writing a JSP
version of LiquidClassifiedsXML right now - and have nowhere to host it, now
that I'm letting my CQHost account expire).

Ever wonder why PHP support is widely available while JSP support is offered
by relatively few hosts on hosting plans that cost less than $15/month?
(even though JSP appears to be far more popular with employers)

CQHost blamed its uptime problems on Resin, which it said was causing
resource utilization problems.  This seems plausible enough to me - I can
see that with client-side apps that Java tends to be a memory and processor
hog, and I believe that it behaves similarly on the server-side (see
http://www.chamas.com/bench/index.html and look, especially, at the red bars
indicating memory usage).

But I don't want to give the appearance of claiming that PHP is good while
JSP is bad.

My belief is that PHP tends to be better suited for small websites/companies
while JSP/servlets/EJBs tend to be better suited for large
websites/companies, particularly ones for which data loss or downtime can
have catastrophic implications.

I would use JSP/servlets/EJBs if I needed things like failover and message
queueing - probably important if I am processing trades.  I wouldn't want to
lose a few Soros Fund trades just because the server went down temporarily
(rather, I'd like them to go into a message queue, to be processed later
when the server comes back up).

I would use PHP if I needed to make a quick and cheap website that primarily
serves information as opposed to processing financial transactions.

But this is just my opinion; no doubt, lots of people on this list will
disagree with me.

And I'll note, before other people point this out, that at least one large
company appears to be adopting PHP:
http://public.yahoo.com/~radwin/talks/yahoo-phpcon2002.htm

But as far as I can tell, the major Wall Street firms are big
JSP/servlet/EJB users rather than PHP users.


Ted

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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 29 09:59:24 2002
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 06:59:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: More Client-Side Grief
Message-ID: <20021029145924.46180.qmail@web12805.mail.yahoo.com>


Hi folks,

This isn't so much a problem with PHP, but I hope someone can help out
with some JavaScript issues I'm having.

With IE6 (this app only needs to support IE6) I have Window 1 (main
browser window) and Window 2 (popup).  The user enters some information
into the popup and submits the form, which PHP then processes and sends
a header('Location: http://somewhere/whatever'); back to the popup.

The problem is, I need to get the parent window (Window 1) to be
redirected, while the popup (Window 2) closes.  Any ideas on how to
either:

1) Have the popup send it's new location (from the PHP form processor)
back to it's parent.

2) Or, have the parent see where the popup would be redirected to, and
redirect itself?

3) Or something else.

I've looked at MS's JScript and DOM/etc pages, but I don't see anything
useful.  If this isn't possible (I suppose it could be a security
problem) I'll have to figure some other way of doing it.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated, as I'm about to go back to
text-based browsers :)

Thanks,

H


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From nyphp at altunergil.com  Tue Oct 29 09:57:02 2002
From: nyphp at altunergil.com (Oktay Altunergil)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:57:02 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] CQHost and JSP vs. PHP
In-Reply-To: <200210291327.g9TDRulV026156@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210291327.g9TDRulV026156@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021029095702.654f7f47.nyphp@altunergil.com>

It's not worth all the support calls for less than $15 :)
Seriously.. you mentioned that JSP/Servlets is more popular with employees. My observation is that people who want to deal with JSP/Servlets/Java are ready to pay the price for it. Because you actually do need faster hardware and much much more support.

oktay


On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:27:56 -0500
Liquid M3 <liquidm3 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I had an extremely bad experience with CQHost.  Poor uptime, poor 
> communication.  My site was down for days at a time.
> 
> I was drawn to CQHost by the JSP support (and, in fact, I'm writing a JSP 
> version of LiquidClassifiedsXML right now - and have nowhere to host it, now 
> that I'm letting my CQHost account expire).
> 
> Ever wonder why PHP support is widely available while JSP support is offered 
> by relatively few hosts on hosting plans that cost less than $15/month? 
> (even though JSP appears to be far more popular with employers)
> 
> CQHost blamed its uptime problems on Resin, which it said was causing 
> resource utilization problems.  This seems plausible enough to me - I can 
> see that with client-side apps that Java tends to be a memory and processor 
> hog, and I believe that it behaves similarly on the server-side (see 
> http://www.chamas.com/bench/index.html and look, especially, at the red bars 
> indicating memory usage).
> 
> But I don't want to give the appearance of claiming that PHP is good while 
> JSP is bad.
> 
> My belief is that PHP tends to be better suited for small websites/companies 
> while JSP/servlets/EJBs tend to be better suited for large 
> websites/companies, particularly ones for which data loss or downtime can 
> have catastrophic implications.
> 
> I would use JSP/servlets/EJBs if I needed things like failover and message 
> queueing - probably important if I am processing trades.  I wouldn't want to 
> lose a few Soros Fund trades just because the server went down temporarily 
> (rather, I'd like them to go into a message queue, to be processed later 
> when the server comes back up).
> 
> I would use PHP if I needed to make a quick and cheap website that primarily 
> serves information as opposed to processing financial transactions.
> 
> But this is just my opinion; no doubt, lots of people on this list will 
> disagree with me.
> 
> And I'll note, before other people point this out, that at least one large 
> company appears to be adopting PHP: 
> http://public.yahoo.com/~radwin/talks/yahoo-phpcon2002.htm
> 
> But as far as I can tell, the major Wall Street firms are big 
> JSP/servlet/EJB users rather than PHP users.
> 
> 
> Ted
> 
> LiquidMarkets
> Financial data and free classifieds
> http://www.liquidmarkets.com
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
> Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband.? Join now! 
> http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp
> 
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From nyphp at altunergil.com  Tue Oct 29 10:04:26 2002
From: nyphp at altunergil.com (Oktay Altunergil)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:04:26 -0500
Subject: --OFF LIST -- Re: [nycphp-talk] CQHost and JSP vs. PHP
In-Reply-To: <200210291327.g9TDRulV026156@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210291327.g9TDRulV026156@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021029100426.2fe82608.nyphp@altunergil.com>

See if this might work for you guys.

http://datapipe.com/jsp.asp

Oktay

On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:27:56 -0500
Liquid M3 <liquidm3 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I had an extremely bad experience with CQHost.  Poor uptime, poor 
> communication.  My site was down for days at a time.
> 
> I was drawn to CQHost by the JSP support (and, in fact, I'm writing a JSP 
> version of LiquidClassifiedsXML right now - and have nowhere to host it, now 
> that I'm letting my CQHost account expire).
> 
> Ever wonder why PHP support is widely available while JSP support is offered 
> by relatively few hosts on hosting plans that cost less than $15/month? 
> (even though JSP appears to be far more popular with employers)
> 
> CQHost blamed its uptime problems on Resin, which it said was causing 
> resource utilization problems.  This seems plausible enough to me - I can 
> see that with client-side apps that Java tends to be a memory and processor 
> hog, and I believe that it behaves similarly on the server-side (see 
> http://www.chamas.com/bench/index.html and look, especially, at the red bars 
> indicating memory usage).
> 
> But I don't want to give the appearance of claiming that PHP is good while 
> JSP is bad.
> 
> My belief is that PHP tends to be better suited for small websites/companies 
> while JSP/servlets/EJBs tend to be better suited for large 
> websites/companies, particularly ones for which data loss or downtime can 
> have catastrophic implications.
> 
> I would use JSP/servlets/EJBs if I needed things like failover and message 
> queueing - probably important if I am processing trades.  I wouldn't want to 
> lose a few Soros Fund trades just because the server went down temporarily 
> (rather, I'd like them to go into a message queue, to be processed later 
> when the server comes back up).
> 
> I would use PHP if I needed to make a quick and cheap website that primarily 
> serves information as opposed to processing financial transactions.
> 
> But this is just my opinion; no doubt, lots of people on this list will 
> disagree with me.
> 
> And I'll note, before other people point this out, that at least one large 
> company appears to be adopting PHP: 
> http://public.yahoo.com/~radwin/talks/yahoo-phpcon2002.htm
> 
> But as far as I can tell, the major Wall Street firms are big 
> JSP/servlet/EJB users rather than PHP users.
> 
> 
> Ted
> 
> LiquidMarkets
> Financial data and free classifieds
> http://www.liquidmarkets.com
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
> Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband.? Join now! 
> http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 


From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Tue Oct 29 10:10:40 2002
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:10:40 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More Client-Side Grief
References: <200210291459.g9TExTlV026267@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <024401c27f5d$5884f5f0$6401a8c0@Notebook>

I don't know if I follow your problem correctly, but if I do, here's what I
do:

I never have a popup submit to the server, the form button on the popup
always passes the data from the popup form to the parent window form
through hidden fields, then submits on the parent and closes itself.

Is this any help?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hans Zaunere" <zaunere at yahoo.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:59 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More Client-Side Grief


>
> Hi folks,
>
> This isn't so much a problem with PHP, but I hope someone can help out
> with some JavaScript issues I'm having.
>
> With IE6 (this app only needs to support IE6) I have Window 1 (main
> browser window) and Window 2 (popup).  The user enters some information
> into the popup and submits the form, which PHP then processes and sends
> a header('Location: http://somewhere/whatever'); back to the popup.
>
> The problem is, I need to get the parent window (Window 1) to be
> redirected, while the popup (Window 2) closes.  Any ideas on how to
> either:
>
> 1) Have the popup send it's new location (from the PHP form processor)
> back to it's parent.
>
> 2) Or, have the parent see where the popup would be redirected to, and
> redirect itself?
>
> 3) Or something else.
>
> I've looked at MS's JScript and DOM/etc pages, but I don't see anything
> useful.  If this isn't possible (I suppose it could be a security
> problem) I'll have to figure some other way of doing it.
>
> Any ideas would be greatly appreciated, as I'm about to go back to
> text-based browsers :)
>
> Thanks,
>
> H
>
>
> =====
> Hans Zaunere
> New York PHP
> http://nyphp.org
> hans at nyphp.org
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now
> http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>




From nyphp at websapp.com  Tue Oct 29 10:23:26 2002
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:23:26 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More Client-Side Grief
In-Reply-To: <200210291459.g9TExTlV026267@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <OKEHLLMAFAOHECBMOGEPOEPHDCAA.nyphp@websapp.com>

Try finding ALL javashit answers here:
http://developer.irt.org/script/script.htm

Great resource.

:)

--Daniel

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:zaunere at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:59 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] More Client-Side Grief
> 
> 
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> This isn't so much a problem with PHP, but I hope someone can help out
> with some JavaScript issues I'm having.
> 
> With IE6 (this app only needs to support IE6) I have Window 1 (main
> browser window) and Window 2 (popup).  The user enters some information
> into the popup and submits the form, which PHP then processes and sends
> a header('Location: http://somewhere/whatever'); back to the popup.
> 
> The problem is, I need to get the parent window (Window 1) to be
> redirected, while the popup (Window 2) closes.  Any ideas on how to
> either:
> 
> 1) Have the popup send it's new location (from the PHP form processor)
> back to it's parent.
> 
> 2) Or, have the parent see where the popup would be redirected to, and
> redirect itself?
> 
> 3) Or something else.
> 
> I've looked at MS's JScript and DOM/etc pages, but I don't see anything
> useful.  If this isn't possible (I suppose it could be a security
> problem) I'll have to figure some other way of doing it.
> 
> Any ideas would be greatly appreciated, as I'm about to go back to
> text-based browsers :)
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> H
> 
> 
> =====
> Hans Zaunere
> New York PHP
> http://nyphp.org
> hans at nyphp.org
> 
> __________________________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now
> http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/
> 
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From sharpwit at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 29 10:33:19 2002
From: sharpwit at hotmail.com ((kris)janis p gale)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:33:19 -0500
Subject: --OFF LIST -- Re: [nycphp-talk] CQHost and JSP vs. PHP
References: <200210291510.g9TFA5lV026295@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <OE21LQ8aZRhQdOgl4rh00005033@hotmail.com>

> See if this might work for you guys.
> 
> http://datapipe.com/jsp.asp

something about that url makes me...  a little ill...
:)


anyways, sorry to hear you had a bad experience, Ted.
i've had nothing but a fine time with cqhost...


From fields at surgam.net  Tue Oct 29 10:38:02 2002
From: fields at surgam.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:38:02 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More Client-Side Grief
In-Reply-To: <200210291459.g9TExTlV026267@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210291459.g9TExTlV026267@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021029153802.GC11945@eye.surgam.net>

On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 09:59:29AM -0500, Hans Zaunere wrote:
> This isn't so much a problem with PHP, but I hope someone can help out
> with some JavaScript issues I'm having.
>
> With IE6 (this app only needs to support IE6) I have Window 1 (main
> browser window) and Window 2 (popup).  The user enters some information
> into the popup and submits the form, which PHP then processes and sends
> a header('Location: http://somewhere/whatever'); back to the popup.
> 
> The problem is, I need to get the parent window (Window 1) to be
> redirected, while the popup (Window 2) closes.  Any ideas on how to
> either:
> 
> 1) Have the popup send it's new location (from the PHP form processor)
> back to it's parent.
> 
> 2) Or, have the parent see where the popup would be redirected to, and
> redirect itself?
> 
> 3) Or something else.

I use this for reloading the base window and closing the popup. I
can't think of any reason why you couldn't use something similar to
redirect the base window to another url.

Basically, I have a generic save page that detects if it was called as
a popup (right now, I pass this value in, but I should probably
ultimately be getting it from the browser). If not, it reloads itself
to some other appropriate url (I'm working on a system for carrying a
stack of jumpback urls through a window thread - it's not quite there
yet). If yes, then it does this:

  print '<script language="javascript">';
  print 'opener.location.reload();';
  print 'self.close();';
  print '</script>';

Or were you looking for something else?

-- 
				- Adam

-----
Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
http://www.adamfields.com


From nyphp at altunergil.com  Tue Oct 29 10:37:18 2002
From: nyphp at altunergil.com (Oktay Altunergil)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:37:18 -0500
Subject: --OFF LIST -- Re: [nycphp-talk] CQHost and JSP vs. PHP
In-Reply-To: <200210291510.g9TFA5lV026295@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210291510.g9TFA5lV026295@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021029103718.5d5f62b3.nyphp@altunergil.com>

I really did mean for this to be off-list .. lol.. sorry about that. :)

oktay

On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:10:05 -0500
Oktay Altunergil <nyphp at altunergil.com> wrote:

> See if this might work for you guys.
> 
> http://datapipe.com/jsp.asp
> 
> Oktay
> 
> On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:27:56 -0500
> Liquid M3 <liquidm3 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I had an extremely bad experience with CQHost.  Poor uptime, poor 
> > communication.  My site was down for days at a time.
> > 
> > I was drawn to CQHost by the JSP support (and, in fact, I'm writing a JSP 
> > version of LiquidClassifiedsXML right now - and have nowhere to host it, now 
> > that I'm letting my CQHost account expire).
> > 
> > Ever wonder why PHP support is widely available while JSP support is offered 
> > by relatively few hosts on hosting plans that cost less than $15/month? 
> > (even though JSP appears to be far more popular with employers)
> > 
> > CQHost blamed its uptime problems on Resin, which it said was causing 
> > resource utilization problems.  This seems plausible enough to me - I can 
> > see that with client-side apps that Java tends to be a memory and processor 
> > hog, and I believe that it behaves similarly on the server-side (see 
> > http://www.chamas.com/bench/index.html and look, especially, at the red bars 
> > indicating memory usage).
> > 
> > But I don't want to give the appearance of claiming that PHP is good while 
> > JSP is bad.
> > 
> > My belief is that PHP tends to be better suited for small websites/companies 
> > while JSP/servlets/EJBs tend to be better suited for large 
> > websites/companies, particularly ones for which data loss or downtime can 
> > have catastrophic implications.
> > 
> > I would use JSP/servlets/EJBs if I needed things like failover and message 
> > queueing - probably important if I am processing trades.  I wouldn't want to 
> > lose a few Soros Fund trades just because the server went down temporarily 
> > (rather, I'd like them to go into a message queue, to be processed later 
> > when the server comes back up).
> > 
> > I would use PHP if I needed to make a quick and cheap website that primarily 
> > serves information as opposed to processing financial transactions.
> > 
> > But this is just my opinion; no doubt, lots of people on this list will 
> > disagree with me.
> > 
> > And I'll note, before other people point this out, that at least one large 
> > company appears to be adopting PHP: 
> > http://public.yahoo.com/~radwin/talks/yahoo-phpcon2002.htm
> > 
> > But as far as I can tell, the major Wall Street firms are big 
> > JSP/servlet/EJB users rather than PHP users.
> > 
> > 
> > Ted
> > 
> > LiquidMarkets
> > Financial data and free classifieds
> > http://www.liquidmarkets.com
> > 
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Get a speedy connection with MSN Broadband.? Join now! 
> > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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From punktoad at oddpost.com  Tue Oct 29 10:39:03 2002
From: punktoad at oddpost.com (Jeffrey Konikowski)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 07:39:03 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More Client-Side Grief
Message-ID: <200210291543.g9TFhvlV026397@parsec.nyphp.org>

Have you tried something like writing some javascript to the popup page when it reloads that redirects the main window and closes the popup.  Something like: 
  
window.opener.location.href  = '<new_location>'; //sends window1 to new location 
window.close(); //closes window2 

-----Original Message----- 

Hi folks, 

This isn't so much a problem with PHP, but I hope someone can help out 
with some JavaScript issues I'm having. 

With IE6 (this app only needs to support IE6) I have Window 1 (main 
browser window) and Window 2 (popup). The user enters some information 
into the popup and submits the form, which PHP then processes and sends 
a header('Location: http://somewhere/whatever'); back to the popup. 

The problem is, I need to get the parent window (Window 1) to be 
redirected, while the popup (Window 2) closes. Any ideas on how to 
either: 

1) Have the popup send it's new location (from the PHP form processor) 
back to it's parent. 

2) Or, have the parent see where the popup would be redirected to, and 
redirect itself? 

3) Or something else. 

I've looked at MS's JScript and DOM/etc pages, but I don't see anything 
useful. If this isn't possible (I suppose it could be a security 
problem) I'll have to figure some other way of doing it. 

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated, as I'm about to go back to 
text-based browsers :) 

Thanks, 

H 


===== 
Hans Zaunere 
New York PHP 
http://nyphp.org 
hans at nyphp.org 

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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 29 10:44:47 2002
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 07:44:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More Client-Side Grief
In-Reply-To: <200210291510.g9TFAllV026300@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021029154447.59432.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Jim Hendricks <jim at bizcomputinginc.com> wrote:
> I never have a popup submit to the server, the form button on the
> popup always passes the data from the popup form to the parent window
> form through hidden fields, then submits on the parent and closes
> itself.
> 
> Is this any help?

Well, it certainly seems like it would solve the problem (ie, the
parent window would be doing the actual submitting to the server, and
thus would get the redirect properly).  However, I had no idea that you
could submit one window to another :)  By chance could you post (attach
a text file if it'd be messy in an email) a quick example?

Thanks Jim,

H



> 
> Jim
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hans Zaunere" <zaunere at yahoo.com>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:59 AM
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] More Client-Side Grief
> 
> 
> >
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > This isn't so much a problem with PHP, but I hope someone can help
> out
> > with some JavaScript issues I'm having.
> >
> > With IE6 (this app only needs to support IE6) I have Window 1 (main
> > browser window) and Window 2 (popup).  The user enters some
> information
> > into the popup and submits the form, which PHP then processes and
> sends
> > a header('Location: http://somewhere/whatever'); back to the popup.
> >
> > The problem is, I need to get the parent window (Window 1) to be
> > redirected, while the popup (Window 2) closes.  Any ideas on how to
> > either:
> >
> > 1) Have the popup send it's new location (from the PHP form
> processor)
> > back to it's parent.
> >
> > 2) Or, have the parent see where the popup would be redirected to,
> and
> > redirect itself?
> >
> > 3) Or something else.
> >
> > I've looked at MS's JScript and DOM/etc pages, but I don't see
> anything
> > useful.  If this isn't possible (I suppose it could be a security
> > problem) I'll have to figure some other way of doing it.
> >
> > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated, as I'm about to go back to
> > text-based browsers :)
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > H
> >
> >
> > =====
> > Hans Zaunere
> > New York PHP
> > http://nyphp.org
> > hans at nyphp.org
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now
> > http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From tfreedma at ubspw.com  Tue Oct 29 10:45:27 2002
From: tfreedma at ubspw.com (Freedman, Tom S.)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:45:27 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More Client-Side Grief
Message-ID: <F9E832D44277A64EA6FB98FE9BD720FDB00043@psle07.xchg.pwj.com>

You could do something like:
<body onLoad="opener.location.href = [result location URL];self.close();">
in the result page sent to the pop-up.  This would only work, of course, if
you can just get the href, and not the entire header (leaving off the
"Location:" chunk).

-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:zaunere at yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:59 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More Client-Side Grief



Hi folks,

This isn't so much a problem with PHP, but I hope someone can help out
with some JavaScript issues I'm having.

With IE6 (this app only needs to support IE6) I have Window 1 (main
browser window) and Window 2 (popup).  The user enters some information
into the popup and submits the form, which PHP then processes and sends
a header('Location: http://somewhere/whatever'); back to the popup.

The problem is, I need to get the parent window (Window 1) to be
redirected, while the popup (Window 2) closes.  Any ideas on how to
either:

1) Have the popup send it's new location (from the PHP form processor)
back to it's parent.

2) Or, have the parent see where the popup would be redirected to, and
redirect itself?

3) Or something else.

I've looked at MS's JScript and DOM/etc pages, but I don't see anything
useful.  If this isn't possible (I suppose it could be a security
problem) I'll have to figure some other way of doing it.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated, as I'm about to go back to
text-based browsers :)

Thanks,

H


=====
Hans Zaunere
New York PHP
http://nyphp.org
hans at nyphp.org

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From nyphp at altunergil.com  Tue Oct 29 10:40:32 2002
From: nyphp at altunergil.com (Oktay Altunergil)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:40:32 -0500
Subject: --OFF LIST -- Re: [nycphp-talk] CQHost and JSP vs. PHP
In-Reply-To: <200210291537.g9TFbElV026377@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210291537.g9TFbElV026377@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021029104032.740000d3.nyphp@altunergil.com>

I hope it's the   jsp - asp part :)

oktay


On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:37:14 -0500
janis p gale <sharpwit at hotmail.com> wrote:

> > See if this might work for you guys.
> > 
> > http://datapipe.com/jsp.asp
> 
> something about that url makes me...  a little ill...
> :)
> 
> 
> anyways, sorry to hear you had a bad experience, Ted.
> i've had nothing but a fine time with cqhost...
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
> 
> 


From sharpwit at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 29 10:47:16 2002
From: sharpwit at hotmail.com ((kris)janis p gale)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:47:16 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More Client-Side Grief
References: <200210291459.g9TExTlV026267@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <OE35QvQc0MurPFKhpwY00005f97@hotmail.com>

> The problem is, I need to get the parent window (Window 1) to be
> redirected, while the popup (Window 2) closes.  Any ideas on how to
> either:
>
> 1) Have the popup send it's new location (from the PHP form processor)
> back to it's parent.
>
> 2) Or, have the parent see where the popup would be redirected to, and
> redirect itself?
>
> 3) Or something else.

here's some ideas that will work with browsers as ancient or as fresh as you
choose to use...

as someone else suggested (deleted the message already or else i'd give
credit where it's due), you could duplicate the form fields somewhere in the
parent as hidden fields, and create an onsubmit handler in the child that
does nothing more than copy the .value's of its form fields to the parent's
hidden ones, does a .submit() of the form in the parent, and closes itself
via self.close().

OR

if you are determined to have the popup submit itself, and then redirect the
parent as needed, you could still do that...  have the parent pop up the
child window, as usual, the form in the child submits as any other form
would (i assume with a php script as the action=), and the script that acts
on that form could include a very basic html document with a bit of
javascript that is an onload handler for the body tag...

[html]
[head]
[script type="text/javascript"]
function allDone()
{    parent.location = "newlocation/fortheparent.php";
      self.close();
}
[/script]
[/head]
[body onload="allDone()"]
&nbsp;
[/body]
[/html]

either method will work well, but the second route doesn't require the
redudant hidden fields and whatnot.
hope this helps!
- kris



From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Tue Oct 29 10:57:47 2002
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:57:47 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More Client-Side Grief
References: <200210291544.g9TFirlV026406@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <027101c27f63$f05e7fd0$6401a8c0@Notebook>

I'll have to try and find some of my source for this.  Don't get me wrong, I
don't submit the one window to the other.  The submit button on the popup
executes a java script which does:

opener.someform.somehiddenfield.value = mypopup.someform.sometextfield.value

for each field.  Then opener.someform.submit();

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hans Zaunere" <zaunere at yahoo.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] More Client-Side Grief


>
> --- Jim Hendricks <jim at bizcomputinginc.com> wrote:
> > I never have a popup submit to the server, the form button on the
> > popup always passes the data from the popup form to the parent window
> > form through hidden fields, then submits on the parent and closes
> > itself.
> >
> > Is this any help?
>
> Well, it certainly seems like it would solve the problem (ie, the
> parent window would be doing the actual submitting to the server, and
> thus would get the redirect properly).  However, I had no idea that you
> could submit one window to another :)  By chance could you post (attach
> a text file if it'd be messy in an email) a quick example?
>
> Thanks Jim,
>
> H
>
>
>
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Hans Zaunere" <zaunere at yahoo.com>
> > To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:59 AM
> > Subject: [nycphp-talk] More Client-Side Grief
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hi folks,
> > >
> > > This isn't so much a problem with PHP, but I hope someone can help
> > out
> > > with some JavaScript issues I'm having.
> > >
> > > With IE6 (this app only needs to support IE6) I have Window 1 (main
> > > browser window) and Window 2 (popup).  The user enters some
> > information
> > > into the popup and submits the form, which PHP then processes and
> > sends
> > > a header('Location: http://somewhere/whatever'); back to the popup.
> > >
> > > The problem is, I need to get the parent window (Window 1) to be
> > > redirected, while the popup (Window 2) closes.  Any ideas on how to
> > > either:
> > >
> > > 1) Have the popup send it's new location (from the PHP form
> > processor)
> > > back to it's parent.
> > >
> > > 2) Or, have the parent see where the popup would be redirected to,
> > and
> > > redirect itself?
> > >
> > > 3) Or something else.
> > >
> > > I've looked at MS's JScript and DOM/etc pages, but I don't see
> > anything
> > > useful.  If this isn't possible (I suppose it could be a security
> > > problem) I'll have to figure some other way of doing it.
> > >
> > > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated, as I'm about to go back to
> > > text-based browsers :)
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > H
> > >
> > >
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> > > New York PHP
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> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From cahoyos at us.ibm.com  Tue Oct 29 11:02:12 2002
From: cahoyos at us.ibm.com (Carlos A Hoyos)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:02:12 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More Client-Side Grief
Message-ID: <OF10A5D32D.41483701-ON85256C61.0056FC0C@us.ibm.com>








Just call this from the pop up window, to reload/refresh your parent window
with a new url
      window.opener.location= 'http://your_refresh_url'

another function that is usefull is
      parent.reload();

this will reload the parent window





                                                                                                                                       
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                      m>                       cc:                                                                                     
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Hi folks,

This isn't so much a problem with PHP, but I hope someone can help out
with some JavaScript issues I'm having.

With IE6 (this app only needs to support IE6) I have Window 1 (main
browser window) and Window 2 (popup).  The user enters some information
into the popup and submits the form, which PHP then processes and sends
a header('Location: http://somewhere/whatever'); back to the popup.

The problem is, I need to get the parent window (Window 1) to be
redirected, while the popup (Window 2) closes.  Any ideas on how to
either:

1) Have the popup send it's new location (from the PHP form processor)
back to it's parent.

2) Or, have the parent see where the popup would be redirected to, and
redirect itself?

3) Or something else.

I've looked at MS's JScript and DOM/etc pages, but I don't see anything
useful.  If this isn't possible (I suppose it could be a security
problem) I'll have to figure some other way of doing it.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated, as I'm about to go back to
text-based browsers :)

Thanks,

H


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From fields at surgam.net  Tue Oct 29 11:27:21 2002
From: fields at surgam.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:27:21 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More Client-Side Grief
In-Reply-To: <200210291557.g9TFvxlV026477@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210291557.g9TFvxlV026477@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021029162720.GD12475@eye.surgam.net>

On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 10:57:59AM -0500, Jim Hendricks wrote:
> I'll have to try and find some of my source for this.  Don't get me wrong, I
> don't submit the one window to the other.  The submit button on the popup
> executes a java script which does:
> 
> opener.someform.somehiddenfield.value = mypopup.someform.sometextfield.value
> 
> for each field.  Then opener.someform.submit();

Two things about this:

1) You often won't want to hardcode the name of the form or the field
- you can pass these values to the popup window (via PHP) to make your
life easier. I randomly generate the name of every form (again, using
PHP) so I can do this using multiple forms and fields and every popup
knows which form and field it goes with.
 
2) As a point of interest, you can absolutely put the results of a
form in another window.

You can do this by setting the target attribute of the form, either
directly in the form tag or with javascript - it's a property of the
form object.

document.someform.target = 'formtargetwindow';

or some such. When you submit the form, the results will appear in
formtargetwindow.

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-----
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From JMKing at ipro.org  Tue Oct 29 11:24:52 2002
From: JMKing at ipro.org (Jaz-Michael King)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:24:52 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Commercial-grade Hosting
Message-ID: <sdbe7013.000@mail.ipro.org>

We use viaVerio (viaverio.com) and rackshack (rackshack.net)

vv has way more to offer, but more expensive

j


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Online Services Manager
IPRO
http://ipro.org
******************************


>>> nyphp at jimbishop.org 10/28/02 10:21AM >>>

Now that we've heard all (1) of the realy cheap places to host your AMP
site (2), does anyone have recommendations for ISPs that are good for
fully or partially managed servers?  co-location?  I work for a small dev
shop, and we are constantly shuttling between all of these little
companies to fine a good deal.  

I've been trying to persuade the group to invest in a managed or a colo
server recently.  One of our clients has a managed server with AT&T.  The
service is impeccable, but the price tag is close to $5k/month which is a
little high.  I would appreciate all of your responses.  I've done some
research myself, but all of these companies say they do the same thing
with a varying array of pricing structures.

So tell me your experiences with these guys. 


Thanks in advance,

Jim Bishop



==================================================================

1 jtlnet.com
  hostvelocity.com
  ipowerweb.com
  phpwebhosting.com
  thehostingcompany.us
  hostingmatters.com
  eperfect.net
  loadedweb.com
  cornerhost.com

2 I use http://www.he.net, and they rock.



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From dkrook at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 29 12:09:26 2002
From: dkrook at hotmail.com (D C Krook)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:09:26 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More Client-Side Grief
Message-ID: <F670doZf8HTdcrjmpAE00009040@hotmail.com>

Hans,

I'm currently using this script myself for that purpose:

>From a link:
  <a href="javascript:closeNewURL(this,'new.html')">Go</a>
>From a button:
  <input type="button" onclick="closeNewURL(this,'new.html')">


// Close the popup and go to a new URL in the parent.
function closeNewURL (winPop, strURL) {
	winPop.opener.location.href = strURL;
	winPop.close();
}



I've also got a library of functions for this same project available here: 
http://krook.org/js/functions.js


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From sharpwit at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 29 12:11:32 2002
From: sharpwit at hotmail.com (krisjanis gale)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:11:32 +0000
Subject: --OFF LIST -- Re: [nycphp-talk] CQHost and JSP vs. PHP
Message-ID: <F170adN7nU23pSH19ZB0000e79d@hotmail.com>

yes, that :)

reminds me of when i was in a training session for futuretense openmarket 
and all the online docs and education materials were coded in coldfusion...  
oi!  ;-)


>From: Oktay Altunergil <nyphp at altunergil.com>
>Reply-To: talk at nyphp.org
>To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
>Subject: Re: --OFF LIST -- Re: [nycphp-talk] CQHost and JSP vs. PHP
>Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:46:11 -0500
>
>I hope it's the   jsp - asp part :)
>
>oktay
>
>
>On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:37:14 -0500
>janis p gale <sharpwit at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > See if this might work for you guys.
> > >
> > > http://datapipe.com/jsp.asp
> >
> > something about that url makes me...  a little ill...
> > :)
> >
> >
> > anyways, sorry to hear you had a bad experience, Ted.
> > i've had nothing but a fine time with cqhost...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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From sharpwit at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 29 12:16:35 2002
From: sharpwit at hotmail.com (krisjanis gale)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:16:35 +0000
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More Client-Side Grief
Message-ID: <F207w1BiPPlwM1tGO4n00002685@hotmail.com>

this is ABSOLUTELY *NOT* a cross-browser solution...
only things that work in all browsers without any issues
are either copying values to a set a hidden fields in the parent
and having the child submit that form in the parent and then close
itself, OR to have the child redirect the parent then close itself
using an onload handler as part of the script that deals with the
submitted form...  i *wish* setting the form target (either
dynamically with javascript or statically using the target=
attribute of form) but it isn't support unequivocally,
and it's not likely that it ever will be.

>2) As a point of interest, you can absolutely put the results of a
>form in another window.
>
>You can do this by setting the target attribute of the form, either
>directly in the form tag or with javascript - it's a property of the
>form object.


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From dkrook at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 29 12:21:14 2002
From: dkrook at hotmail.com (D C Krook)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:21:14 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More Client-Side Grief
Message-ID: <F187V54Ogddu5qE8DzH00000323@hotmail.com>

Hans,

Sorry, this one may be more useful.  You can set the flag by putting 
"submit=true" in the form action if you are POSTing, or in a hidden form 
field if you are GETting:

Call:
<body onload="submitClose(this);">


// Check the URL for the submit flag, close the window, and reload the 
parent window.
function submitClose (winPop) {
	var strPath = location.href;
	if (strPath.search("submit") > -1) {
		closeReload(winPop);
	}
}

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From fields at surgam.net  Tue Oct 29 12:56:01 2002
From: fields at surgam.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:56:01 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More Client-Side Grief
In-Reply-To: <200210291716.g9THGelV026698@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210291716.g9THGelV026698@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021029175600.GD6310@eye.surgam.net>

On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 12:16:40PM -0500, krisjanis gale wrote:
> this is ABSOLUTELY *NOT* a cross-browser solution...
> only things that work in all browsers without any issues
> are either copying values to a set a hidden fields in the parent
> and having the child submit that form in the parent and then close
> itself, OR to have the child redirect the parent then close itself
> using an onload handler as part of the script that deals with the
> submitted form...  i *wish* setting the form target (either
> dynamically with javascript or statically using the target=
> attribute of form) but it isn't support unequivocally,
> and it's not likely that it ever will be.

Interesting. It's part of the HTML 4.01 spec.

http://www.htmlref.com/reference/AppA/form.htm
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/present/frames.html#h-16.3

What browsers don't support this?

> >2) As a point of interest, you can absolutely put the results of a
> >form in another window.
> >
> >You can do this by setting the target attribute of the form, either
> >directly in the form tag or with javascript - it's a property of the
> >form object.


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From sharpwit at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 29 14:50:16 2002
From: sharpwit at hotmail.com ((kris)janis p gale)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:50:16 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More Client-Side Grief
References: <200210291756.g9THu7lV026777@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <OE51Qift9LIqB4vBZqq000031fa@hotmail.com>

> Interesting. It's part of the HTML 4.01 spec.
> 
> http://www.htmlref.com/reference/AppA/form.htm
> http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/present/frames.html#h-16.3
> 
> What browsers don't support this?

it's common knowledge that browsers often don't conform to specs :)

i recall having difficulty with form target'ing in netscape 3 and 4...
dunno if this is fixed with the advent of the most recent mozilla.

not sure about others...  opera, aol browser, etc.



From fields at surgam.net  Tue Oct 29 15:19:17 2002
From: fields at surgam.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:19:17 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More Client-Side Grief
In-Reply-To: <200210291954.g9TJsHlV026905@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210291954.g9TJsHlV026905@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021029201917.GH9951@eye.surgam.net>

On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 02:54:17PM -0500, janis p gale wrote:
> > Interesting. It's part of the HTML 4.01 spec.
> > 
> > http://www.htmlref.com/reference/AppA/form.htm
> > http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/present/frames.html#h-16.3
> > 
> > What browsers don't support this?
> 
> it's common knowledge that browsers often don't conform to specs :)

Too true, but I was under the impression that all of the modern
browsers had come up to speed on HTML 4.01. Unless demanded by a
client, I've pretty much given up on trying to get any real
functionality out of older browsers and will generally settle for
"degrade gracefully". At least on the delivery side. On the editing
side, you can usually dictate browser platform.

> i recall having difficulty with form target'ing in netscape 3 and 4...
> dunno if this is fixed with the advent of the most recent mozilla.

Don't know. I don't think it should really be a surprise that old
browsers don't have the same capabilities as newer ones... :)

> not sure about others...  opera, aol browser, etc.

Opera 6 claims to, although I haven't tested it:

http://www.opera.com/docs/specs/

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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 29 16:36:15 2002
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:36:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More Client-Side Grief
In-Reply-To: <200210291459.g9TExTlV026267@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021029213615.26751.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com>


> This isn't so much a problem with PHP, but I hope someone can help
> out with some JavaScript issues I'm having.

Wow, thanks for the all the responses.

After picking bits from each post, I've finally done something like:

-- the PHP script that handles the form POST prints this to the popup:

<script language="JavaScript">
   if( opener ) {
      opener.location.assign('<?=$next?>');
      opener.location.reload(true);
      window.close();
   } else {
      window.location.assign('<?=$next?>');
   }
</script>

where $next is where I want the main browser window to go.  I had
considered passing the next URL in through the JavaScript call to
create the popup (and this does seem to give the most flexibility), but
really wanted to maintain my redirects from the server (I have a DB of
"if posted from there, you now go here" that changes frequently).  This
isn't as direct as sending a HTTP header, but heck, it seems to work
(and still covers non-popups).

Ideally, I would have wished there was a way to read the HTTP headers
sent from PHP into JavaScript/JScript and then act on them.  Supposedly
there is
(http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/dhtml/reference/constants/response_headers.asp)
but as with so much client-side, I could never get them to do anything.
:)

Thanks again,

H



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From fields at surgam.net  Tue Oct 29 17:08:25 2002
From: fields at surgam.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:08:25 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More Client-Side Grief
In-Reply-To: <200210292136.g9TLaKlV027028@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210292136.g9TLaKlV027028@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021029220825.GO9951@eye.surgam.net>

On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 04:36:20PM -0500, Hans Zaunere wrote:
> After picking bits from each post, I've finally done something like:
> 
> -- the PHP script that handles the form POST prints this to the popup:
> 
> <script language="JavaScript">
>    if( opener ) {
>       opener.location.assign('<?=$next?>');
>       opener.location.reload(true);
>       window.close();
>    } else {
>       window.location.assign('<?=$next?>');
>    }
> </script>

I have one further enhancement to suggest, drawn from a function I use
elsewhere. In the latter case, if the headers have not yet been sent,
you'll want to use PHP to generate a redirect header for you instead
of loading the page and redirecting with javascript. This is basically
what I'm thinking, although I have yet to test it to see if it works
consistently:

--------------------

function REDIRECT ($url) 
{
  if (substr($url, 0, 7) != 'http://') {
    if (substr($url, 0, 1) == '/') {
      $url = 'http://'.$_SERVER['HTTP_HOST'].$url;
    } else {
      $url = 'http://'.$_SERVER['HTTP_HOST'].'/'.$url;
    }
  }
  if (!headers_sent()) {
    header('Location: '.$url);
  } else {
    print '<script>';
    print "location.href='".$url."';";
    print '</script>';
  }
}

> where $next is where I want the main browser window to go.  I had
> considered passing the next URL in through the JavaScript call to
> create the popup (and this does seem to give the most flexibility), but
> really wanted to maintain my redirects from the server (I have a DB of
> "if posted from there, you now go here" that changes frequently).  This
> isn't as direct as sending a HTTP header, but heck, it seems to work
> (and still covers non-popups).

I got most of the functionality of my session-based jumpback stack
working today. Don't know if that'll help you at all.

> Ideally, I would have wished there was a way to read the HTTP headers
> sent from PHP into JavaScript/JScript and then act on them.  Supposedly
> there is
> (http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/dhtml/reference/constants/response_headers.asp)
> but as with so much client-side, I could never get them to do anything.
> :)
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> H
> 
> 
> 
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From dorgan at optonline.net  Tue Oct 29 17:11:02 2002
From: dorgan at optonline.net (Donald J. Organ IV)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:11:02 -0500
Subject: dynamic DNS service
References: <200210281611.g9SGBFqn033894@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <003401c27f98$120bb970$0700020a@laptop01>

Does anyone know of a free dynamic DNS service that also route ports like
dns2go used to???




From soazine at erols.com  Tue Oct 29 17:20:47 2002
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:20:47 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] dynamic DNS service
References: <200210292213.g9TMDilV027086@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <020401c27f99$6ecc1eb0$dcbe6444@scandinawa1bo6>

try www.dyndns.org and see what they have to offer, that's all I can think
of right now..

Phil
http://valsignalandet.com

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To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 5:13 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] dynamic DNS service


> Does anyone know of a free dynamic DNS service that also route ports like
> dns2go used to???
>
>
>
>
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From Marty.Hickey at ogilvy.com  Tue Oct 29 17:30:47 2002
From: Marty.Hickey at ogilvy.com (Marty.Hickey at ogilvy.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:30:47 -0500
Subject: Yahoo! Switches To PHP
Message-ID: <OF7B8DF801.D2EA7856-ON85256C61.007B63FD@ogilvy.com>



I don't know if you have seen on http://www.slashdot.org that the lead
article is that Yahoo has switched their backend to PHP. Here's the main
presentation given at PHPCon.
http://public.yahoo.com/~radwin/talks/yahoo-phpcon2002.htm

Marty




Adam Fields <fields at surgam.net> on 10/29/2002 05:08:33 PM

Please respond to talk at nyphp.org

To:    NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
cc:
Subject:    Re: [nycphp-talk] More Client-Side Grief


On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 04:36:20PM -0500, Hans Zaunere wrote:
> After picking bits from each post, I've finally done something like:
>
> -- the PHP script that handles the form POST prints this to the popup:
>
> <script language="JavaScript">
>    if( opener ) {
>       opener.location.assign('<?=$next?>');
>       opener.location.reload(true);
>       window.close();
>    } else {
>       window.location.assign('<?=$next?>');
>    }
> </script>

I have one further enhancement to suggest, drawn from a function I use
elsewhere. In the latter case, if the headers have not yet been sent,
you'll want to use PHP to generate a redirect header for you instead
of loading the page and redirecting with javascript. This is basically
what I'm thinking, although I have yet to test it to see if it works
consistently:

--------------------

function REDIRECT ($url)
{
  if (substr($url, 0, 7) != 'http://') {
    if (substr($url, 0, 1) == '/') {
      $url = 'http://'.$_SERVER['HTTP_HOST'].$url;
    } else {
      $url = 'http://'.$_SERVER['HTTP_HOST'].'/'.$url;
    }
  }
  if (!headers_sent()) {
    header('Location: '.$url);
  } else {
    print '<script>';
    print "location.href='".$url."';";
    print '</script>';
  }
}

> where $next is where I want the main browser window to go.  I had
> considered passing the next URL in through the JavaScript call to
> create the popup (and this does seem to give the most flexibility), but
> really wanted to maintain my redirects from the server (I have a DB of
> "if posted from there, you now go here" that changes frequently).  This
> isn't as direct as sending a HTTP header, but heck, it seems to work
> (and still covers non-popups).

I got most of the functionality of my session-based jumpback stack
working today. Don't know if that'll help you at all.

> Ideally, I would have wished there was a way to read the HTTP headers
> sent from PHP into JavaScript/JScript and then act on them.  Supposedly
> there is
> (
http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/dhtml/reference/constants/response_headers.asp
)
> but as with so much client-side, I could never get them to do anything.
> :)
>
> Thanks again,
>
> H
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>

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From jon at corporatelords.org  Tue Oct 29 12:59:44 2002
From: jon at corporatelords.org (Jon Britton)
Date: 29 Oct 2002 17:59:44 +0000
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Yahoo! Switches To PHP
In-Reply-To: <200210292240.g9TMeTlV048820@parsec.nyphp.org>
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> Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message.  
> If you are not   <snip>

So, was the "---" confidential, or was it the "----"? :)

Incidentally, here's the presentation:
http://public.yahoo.com/~radwin/talks/yahoo-phpcon2002.htm


- Jon




From brian at artizendesign.com  Tue Oct 29 18:16:40 2002
From: brian at artizendesign.com (Brian Preston-Campbell)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:16:40 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Yahoo! Switches To PHP
References: <200210292259.g9TMxvlV052831@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <001901c27fa1$3ea10f40$6500a8c0@brian>

I'd like to make the case for pointless frames in an online presentation.


----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Yahoo! Switches To PHP


> On Tue, 2002-10-29 at 22:40, Marty.Hickey at ogilvy.com wrote:
> > ----------------------------------------- (on bravo)
> > 
> > Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message.  
> > If you are not   <snip>
> 
> So, was the "---" confidential, or was it the "----"? :)
> 
> Incidentally, here's the presentation:
> http://public.yahoo.com/~radwin/talks/yahoo-phpcon2002.htm
> 
> 
> - Jon
> 
> 
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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 29 19:02:15 2002
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:02:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More Client-Side Grief
In-Reply-To: <200210292208.g9TM8XlV027075@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021030000215.53672.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Adam Fields <fields at surgam.net> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 04:36:20PM -0500, Hans Zaunere wrote:
> > After picking bits from each post, I've finally done something
> like:
> > 
> > -- the PHP script that handles the form POST prints this to the
> popup:
> > 
> > <script language="JavaScript">
> >    if( opener ) {
> >       opener.location.assign('<?=$next?>');
> >       opener.location.reload(true);
> >       window.close();
> >    } else {
> >       window.location.assign('<?=$next?>');
> >    }
> > </script>
> 
> I have one further enhancement to suggest, drawn from a function I
> use elsewhere. In the latter case, if the headers have not yet been
> sent, you'll want to use PHP to generate a redirect header for you
> instead of loading the page and redirecting with javascript. This is
> basically what I'm thinking, although I have yet to test it to see if
> it works consistently:
> 
> --------------------
> 
> function REDIRECT ($url) 
> {
>   if (substr($url, 0, 7) != 'http://') {
>     if (substr($url, 0, 1) == '/') {
>       $url = 'http://'.$_SERVER['HTTP_HOST'].$url;
>     } else {
>       $url = 'http://'.$_SERVER['HTTP_HOST'].'/'.$url;
>     }
>   }
>   if (!headers_sent()) {
>     header('Location: '.$url);
>   } else {
>     print '<script>';
>     print "location.href='".$url."';";
>     print '</script>';
>   }
> }

Originally I had been using this technique, and of course it works
great.  However, when the headers are sent back to the popup (which is
where the form submit happens) I can't find a way to detect that in
JavaScript and use the new URL to refresh the main window.  As far as I
could tell, all the obvious stuff doesn't work, ie: when executing from
the popup, document.location.href always refers to the originally
requested URL.

> I got most of the functionality of my session-based jumpback stack
> working today. Don't know if that'll help you at all.

Sure, I'd be interested in seeing it.

> > Ideally, I would have wished there was a way to read the HTTP
> headers sent from PHP into JavaScript/JScript and then act on them. 
> Supposedly there is
(http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/dhtml/reference/constants/response_headers.asp)
> > but as with so much client-side, I could never get them to do
> anything.

It's frustrating, after reading the above link, that there's no way to
see the "Location" header that gets sent to a window.  If you run into
anything else I'd be curious.

H



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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 29 19:03:07 2002
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:03:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] dynamic DNS service
In-Reply-To: <200210292213.g9TMDilV027086@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021030000307.57752.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com>


--- "Donald J. Organ IV" <dorgan at optonline.net> wrote:
> Does anyone know of a free dynamic DNS service that also route ports
> like dns2go used to???

I believe www.zoneedit.com might cover this. 

H


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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 29 19:06:34 2002
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:06:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Yahoo! Switches To PHP
In-Reply-To: <200210292259.g9TMxvlV052831@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021030000634.58477.qmail@web12802.mail.yahoo.com>


> Incidentally, here's the presentation:
> http://public.yahoo.com/~radwin/talks/yahoo-phpcon2002.htm

Wow, this is incredible.  I hadn't heard about this.



=====
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New York PHP
http://nyphp.org
hans at nyphp.org

__________________________________________________
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HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now
http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/


From aginzburg at datapeer.com  Wed Oct 30 10:35:59 2002
From: aginzburg at datapeer.com (Alex Ginzburg)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:35:59 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] dynamic DNS service
In-Reply-To: <200210292222.g9TMMplV027104@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210292222.g9TMMplV027104@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <200210301035.59312.aginzburg@datapeer.com>

I use no-ip.com and very happy with it.  They also let you use your own domain 
name for $24 a year.



On Tuesday 29 October 2002 05:22 pm, Phil Powell wrote:
> try www.dyndns.org and see what they have to offer, that's all I can think
> of right now..
>
> Phil
> http://valsignalandet.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donald J. Organ IV" <dorgan at optonline.net>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 5:13 PM
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] dynamic DNS service
>
> > Does anyone know of a free dynamic DNS service that also route ports like
> > dns2go used to???
>
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From stranger at eightbits.com  Wed Oct 30 11:11:29 2002
From: stranger at eightbits.com (AG)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:11:29 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] dynamic DNS service
In-Reply-To: <200210292222.g9TMMplV027104@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210292222.g9TMMplV027104@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <200210301035.59312.aginzburg@datapeer.com>

I use no-ip.com and very happy with it. With redirect service you can route to 
any port you are listening on. They also let you use your own domain 
name for $24 a year.



On Tuesday 29 October 2002 05:22 pm, Phil Powell wrote:
> try www.dyndns.org and see what they have to offer, that's all I can think
> of right now..
>
> Phil
> http://valsignalandet.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donald J. Organ IV" <dorgan at optonline.net>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 5:13 PM
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] dynamic DNS service
>
> > Does anyone know of a free dynamic DNS service that also route ports like
> > dns2go used to???
>
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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 30 11:28:20 2002
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 08:28:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: There's that word again....
In-Reply-To: <200210300006.g9U06clV053031@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021030162820.81277.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com>


http://jeremy.zawodny.com/mysql/scaling-mysql-and-php.html and a brief
writeup at http://nyphp.org


=====
Hans Zaunere
New York PHP
http://nyphp.org
hans at nyphp.org

__________________________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now
http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/


From nyphp at altunergil.com  Wed Oct 30 16:59:11 2002
From: nyphp at altunergil.com (Oktay Altunergil)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:59:11 -0500
Subject: PHP Inventory Management software ?
Message-ID: <20021030165911.1d51694c.nyphp@altunergil.com>

Can anybody recommend a good Inventory Management software ? Specifically for servers/computers and related spare parts. 

I've been searching freshmeat and the web and the best I can find is IRM  ( http://irm.schoenefeld.org/ ).  It doesn't seem to do parts. Only configured systems.

Anybody know anything better?

Thanks.

oktay

PS: I'm looking for an open source one.. PHP (preferred) or Perl.. 



From JayeshSh at netscape.net  Wed Oct 30 17:27:34 2002
From: JayeshSh at netscape.net (Jayesh Sheth)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:27:34 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Inventory Management software ?
Message-ID: <39A996FD.6FE001A3.00765763@netscape.net>

Hello Oktay,

Have you heard of the new open source ERP company, Openmfg ? Their solution may be a little too elaborate, though, for just a simple inventory system.

http://www.openmfg.com/

Regards,

- Jay Sheth
Oktay Altunergil <nyphp at altunergil.com> wrote:

>Can anybody recommend a good Inventory Management software ? Specifically for servers/computers and related spare parts. 
>
>I've been searching freshmeat and the web and the best I can find is IRM  ( http://irm.schoenefeld.org/ ).  It doesn't seem to do parts. Only configured systems.
>
>Anybody know anything better?
>
>Thanks.
>
>oktay
>
>PS: I'm looking for an open source one.. PHP (preferred) or Perl.. 
>
>
>
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>
>
>

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From joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com  Wed Oct 30 22:29:18 2002
From: joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com (Josh McCormack)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:29:18 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Inventory Management software ?
References: <200210302205.g9UM54lV024483@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DC0A38E.4020305@travelersdiary.com>

I'd be interested in something like this too. Would really help with a 
project I've been thinking of. There are a couple of other projects that 
 came up on Freshmeat when I searched. What did you think of these?

phpInv is a small yet highly configurable inventory script written in 
PHP with a MySQL backend. It features unlimited categories, unlimited 
depth of sub-categories, customizable columns per category, an 
administration control panel, access permissions (user and group), easy 
configuration, a template system, and searching.
http://freshmeat.net/projects/phpinv/?topic_id=66%2C92%2C129%2C253

PgWebInventory is a complete home inventory database and interface. The 
declarations for the tables are included along with the PHP interface 
scripts. Once installed, the database can be accessed and updated via 
any Web browser.
http://freshmeat.net/projects/pgwebinventory/?topic_id=66%2C68

Josh



Oktay Altunergil wrote:

>Can anybody recommend a good Inventory Management software ? Specifically for servers/computers and related spare parts. 
>
>I've been searching freshmeat and the web and the best I can find is IRM  ( http://irm.schoenefeld.org/ ).  It doesn't seem to do parts. Only configured systems.
>
>Anybody know anything better?
>
>Thanks.
>
>oktay
>
>PS: I'm looking for an open source one.. PHP (preferred) or Perl.. 
>
>
>
>--- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
>
>
>  
>





From chalu at flatiron.egenius.com  Wed Oct 30 17:41:23 2002
From: chalu at flatiron.egenius.com (Chalu Kim)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:41:23 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Inventory Management software ?
References: <200210302205.g9UM54lV024483@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <010e01c28065$793824d0$5c00a8c0@mothergoose>

Try NOLA from Noguska

It is good for Bechtel and should be good enough for many.  It has got a PDF
generation so that your system is not tied to any printer, important thing
in outdoor and warehouse situation.

Look around for whether the package has been around long enough.. Good way
to know if it has been used.
Good luck.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Oktay Altunergil" <nyphp at altunergil.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 5:05 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Inventory Management software ?


> Can anybody recommend a good Inventory Management software ? Specifically
for servers/computers and related spare parts.
>
> I've been searching freshmeat and the web and the best I can find is IRM
( http://irm.schoenefeld.org/ ).  It doesn't seem to do parts. Only
configured systems.
>
> Anybody know anything better?
>
> Thanks.
>
> oktay
>
> PS: I'm looking for an open source one.. PHP (preferred) or Perl..
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
>
>


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From nyphp at altunergil.com  Thu Oct 31 09:00:07 2002
From: nyphp at altunergil.com (Oktay Altunergil)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:00:07 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Inventory Management software ?
In-Reply-To: <200210302229.g9UMTUlV024522@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210302229.g9UMTUlV024522@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021031090007.1a320f5c.nyphp@altunergil.com>

Yes. I've come accross these too.
'phpInv is small [...] inventory script'. Well. it's too small for our purposes. 

the other one.. PgWebInventory " is a simple way to inventory your books, movies, and music at home. ", and no it doesn't look like it would work if customized it.

In short.. everything that is out there for free seem to be too simplistice. The best of the lot is IRM.

oktay

On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:29:30 -0500
Josh McCormack <joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com> wrote:

> I'd be interested in something like this too. Would really help with a 
> project I've been thinking of. There are a couple of other projects that 
>  came up on Freshmeat when I searched. What did you think of these?
> 
> phpInv is a small yet highly configurable inventory script written in 
> PHP with a MySQL backend. It features unlimited categories, unlimited 
> depth of sub-categories, customizable columns per category, an 
> administration control panel, access permissions (user and group), easy 
> configuration, a template system, and searching.
> http://freshmeat.net/projects/phpinv/?topic_id=66%2C92%2C129%2C253
> 
> PgWebInventory is a complete home inventory database and interface. The 
> declarations for the tables are included along with the PHP interface 
> scripts. Once installed, the database can be accessed and updated via 
> any Web browser.
> http://freshmeat.net/projects/pgwebinventory/?topic_id=66%2C68
> 
> Josh
> 
> 
> 
> Oktay Altunergil wrote:
> 
> >Can anybody recommend a good Inventory Management software ? Specifically for servers/computers and related spare parts. 
> >
> >I've been searching freshmeat and the web and the best I can find is IRM  ( http://irm.schoenefeld.org/ ).  It doesn't seem to do parts. Only configured systems.
> >
> >Anybody know anything better?
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
> >oktay
> >
> >PS: I'm looking for an open source one.. PHP (preferred) or Perl.. 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list ---
> 
> 


From nyphp at altunergil.com  Thu Oct 31 09:04:51 2002
From: nyphp at altunergil.com (Oktay Altunergil)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:04:51 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Inventory Management software ?
In-Reply-To: <200210302229.g9UMT4lV024517@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210302229.g9UMT4lV024517@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021031090451.0c1f6695.nyphp@altunergil.com>

I will still keep looking at the software, but I wanted to let you know that their license is NOT open source. They might call it that but it does not comply with the open source definition. It's definetely *NOT* free software either.

http://www.openmfg.com/about/license.php

oktay
 

On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:29:04 -0500
JayeshSh at netscape.net wrote:

> Hello Oktay,
> 
> Have you heard of the new open source ERP company, Openmfg ? Their solution may be a little too elaborate, though, for just a simple inventory system.
> 
> http://www.openmfg.com/
> 
> Regards,
> 
> - Jay Sheth
> Oktay Altunergil <nyphp at altunergil.com> wrote:
> 
> >Can anybody recommend a good Inventory Management software ? Specifically for servers/computers and related spare parts. 
> >
> >I've been searching freshmeat and the web and the best I can find is IRM  ( http://irm.schoenefeld.org/ ).  It doesn't seem to do parts. Only configured systems.
> >
> >Anybody know anything better?
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
> >oktay
> >
> >PS: I'm looking for an open source one.. PHP (preferred) or Perl.. 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
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From fields at surgam.net  Thu Oct 31 11:48:22 2002
From: fields at surgam.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:48:22 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More Client-Side Grief
In-Reply-To: <200210300002.g9U02KlV053017@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210300002.g9U02KlV053017@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021031164822.GQ22882@eye.surgam.net>

On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 07:02:20PM -0500, Hans Zaunere wrote:
> Originally I had been using this technique, and of course it works
> great.  However, when the headers are sent back to the popup (which is
> where the form submit happens) I can't find a way to detect that in
> JavaScript and use the new URL to refresh the main window.  As far as I
> could tell, all the obvious stuff doesn't work, ie: when executing from
> the popup, document.location.href always refers to the originally
> requested URL.

True. I've been pairing this with another redirector page that tests
if you're in a popup, and then doesn't do this for popups.

-- 
				- Adam

-----
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Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
http://www.adamfields.com


From fields at surgam.net  Thu Oct 31 11:57:19 2002
From: fields at surgam.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:57:19 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] There's that word again....
In-Reply-To: <200210301629.g9UGT0lV024016@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200210301629.g9UGT0lV024016@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021031165719.GR22882@eye.surgam.net>

On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 11:28:55AM -0500, Hans Zaunere wrote:
> 
> http://jeremy.zawodny.com/mysql/scaling-mysql-and-php.html and a brief
> writeup at http://nyphp.org

Any idea if there's an OS tool to put out slides like that, or is
Powerpoint the only choice still?


-- 
				- Adam

-----
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Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
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From JayeshSh at netscape.net  Thu Oct 31 12:51:13 2002
From: JayeshSh at netscape.net (Jayesh Sheth)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:51:13 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] There's that word again....
References: <200210311657.g9VGvRlV049506@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3DC16D91.6000606@netscape.net>

Hello Adam,

While I was writing a JavaScript based slide show tool, I searched on 
sourceforge.net and came up with many different php powered slide show 
tools.

I wrote a small, simple  JavaScript slideshow script which works 
differently from (complex) php / database driven ones: First place the 
index.html for the slideshow page in your slideshow directory: e.g.: 
www.yourname.com/slides/index.html; then just put pictures named image0, 
image1, image2 and so in an "images" subdirectory, e.g. : 
 www.yourname.com/slides/images . Then change the number of total slides 
in the script (a variable), edit a series of paragraph tags in the 
index.html, and you're ready to go.

 I have been thinking about releasing this script under the GPL license 
for some time now - because it might be of use to other people.

Regards,

- Jay


Adam Fields wrote:

>On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 11:28:55AM -0500, Hans Zaunere wrote:
>  
>
>>http://jeremy.zawodny.com/mysql/scaling-mysql-and-php.html and a brief
>>writeup at http://nyphp.org
>>    
>>
>
>Any idea if there's an OS tool to put out slides like that, or is
>Powerpoint the only choice still?
>
>
>  
>

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From jon at corporatelords.org  Thu Oct 31 08:04:55 2002
From: jon at corporatelords.org (Jon Britton)
Date: 31 Oct 2002 13:04:55 +0000
Subject: [nycphp-talk] There's that word again....
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Message-ID: <1036069531.1066.11.camel@widowmaker.localdomain>

On Thu, 2002-10-31 at 17:51, Jayesh Sheth wrote:
> 
>  I have been thinking about releasing this script under the GPL license 
> for some time now - because it might be of use to other people.
 
We also might be able to improve your code. Then you'll benefit :)  

To Adam:  OpenOffice has an HTML export feature in their Powerpoint
replacement, though I haven't played with it much.


- Jon




From mao_sucks at nocommies.org.nyphp.org  Thu Oct 31 20:18:32 2002
From: mao_sucks at nocommies.org.nyphp.org (mao_sucks at nocommies.org.nyphp.org)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 17:18:32 -0800
Subject: Flag of inconvenience
Message-ID: <200211010118.RAA06605@cobrand.salon.com>

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