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[Brian Pang]

8 cents and counting :)

yes, I was making the broad assumption that multiple environments
existed with some form of archiving and the employment of other best
practices (although, admittedly, on small sites, standards tend to slip)



> 
> I'm a big fan of emacs in php-mode for PHP development.  It lays things
> out nicely, and I can clean up other programmers inferior spacing
> preferences in a snap.
> 
> More importantly, the idea of editing live files with vi/vim makes my
> stomach flip.  I think any talk of using vim should be coupled with talk
> of production servers vs. development servers, CVS, and rsync.  The cost
> of "not having to FTP files" is far outweighed by sloppy development
> standards.
> 
> My 2 cents.
> 
> jim.bishop
> 
> 
> > once you get accustomed to using visual blocks you'll realize that you
> > don't need anything but vim for editing.
> >
> > then there's the whole issue of not having to ftp files back and forth
> > with the server and getting confused on versioning.
> >
> > that's my 2 cents... that's 6 more cents than vim costs, btw :)
> >
> >
> > >
> > > ok, another 2 cents from me  again (I'm working up to a nickel) -- in
> > > addition to Arachnophilia (cross platform), I've used Bluefish and
> > > Quanta which are both "homesitish" as I'm sure you've heard.
> > >
> > > So far as vi/vim is concerned, I use a really short 'subset' of
> > > functions when working remotely via ssh (I use putty on windows).  I'm
> > > not keen on developing with vi/vim (although I use vim for windows for
> > > quick file reading and occasional editing).  Of course, the "esc"
key to
> > > get back into command mode and the "i" key to get into insert mode --
> > > ":wq" to write and exit, ":q!" to exit without writing when I've
made a
> > > changes I want to ignore, and every once in a while "/" for searching.
> > > That's it -- otherwise it's all GUI.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > > David Mintz wrote:
> > >
> > > >Can't resist putting my belated $.02 into this religious thread.
> > > >
> > > >On Windoze I've long used Homesite, but there's a tendency to
stay with
> > > >the first reasonable tool you learn to use. Maybe something else is
> > > >better. But anything with a tough learning curve is a buzzkiller when
> > > >you're busy. That's what's slowing me down with adopting vim on
Linux.  A
> > > >good GUI is great but it's nice to be handy with a nonGUI editor
for when
> > > >you SSH into a machine where you don't have the luxury of X. So I
keep
> > > >trying.
> > > >
> > > >Meanwhile I've been playing with eclipse on both platforms -- yes it
> > has a
> > > >learning curve too, but it's got a lot of cool stuff going for
it, and
> > > >it's free.  http://eclipse.org
> > > >
> > > >---
> > > >David Mintz
> > > >http://davidmintz.org/
> > > >Email: See http://dmintzweb.com/whitelist.php first!
> > > >
> > > >Decibels of sound pressure employed by a new "thermoacoustic"
> > refrigerator: 190
> > > >Decibels of sounds pressure sufficient to ignite a person's hair: 165
> > > >
> > > >	-- Harper's Index, February 2003
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