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From soazine at erols.com  Mon Sep  1 05:44:18 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 05:44:18 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fw: I have a Windows/OE question actually
Message-ID: <043701c3706d$9d2af450$67a76244@philofsoa>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phil Powell" <soazine at erols.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 8:38 PM
Subject: I have a Windows/OE question actually


> I am not only receiving an average of 20 - 30 infected emails per day, but
> now I am "sending" about 5 - 10 infected emails to users via localhost
> (127.0.0.1) and I don't know how I'm doing it!  I am running a virus scan
> every day that detects no viruses (not even heuristic searches find
> anything), yet I'm still "sending" infected SoBig emails!
>
> I have Win2000 Professional and Outlook Express 6.
>
> HELP!
>
> Phil
>



From pl at eskimo.com  Mon Sep  1 17:03:53 2003
From: pl at eskimo.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 17:03:53 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] html question
Message-ID: <009b01c370cc$8e6922c0$442c0242@peter1>

I am trying to get the "maxsize" attribute to work in the input tag, but am having problems. IE 6 appears to ignore it.

For example in,

<input type="text" name="phone" size="15" maxsize="15">

the text box allows input of 16 or more characters.  Has anyone else noticed this behavior?  Is there a way to work around it?


Peter Lehrer
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From chendry at nyc.rr.com  Mon Sep  1 17:15:17 2003
From: chendry at nyc.rr.com (Christopher Hendry)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 17:15:17 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] html question
In-Reply-To: <009b01c370cc$8e6922c0$442c0242@peter1>
Message-ID: <JMEHLOIOFHBEJDCDJNLOEENCDNAA.chendry@nyc.rr.com>

Try 'maxlength' instead.

And try front-end at lists.nyphp.org - I hear those guys are really cool.

:)

- C
  -----Original Message-----
  From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On
Behalf Of Peter Lehrer
  Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 5:04 PM
  To: NYPHP Talk
  Subject: [nycphp-talk] html question


  I am trying to get the "maxsize" attribute to work in the input tag, but
am having problems. IE 6 appears to ignore it.

  For example in,

  <input type="text" name="phone" size="15" maxsize="15">

  the text box allows input of 16 or more characters.  Has anyone else
noticed this behavior?  Is there a way to work around it?


  Peter Lehrer

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From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Mon Sep  1 17:24:44 2003
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 17:24:44 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fw: I have a Windows/OE question actually
In-Reply-To: <043701c3706d$9d2af450$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <001601c370cf$76b6f9b0$c48e3818@OBERON1>

Phil,

You could look into Basic MailSafe.
It is included in ZoneAlarm (free edition).

Tim G.

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Phil Powell
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 5:44 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fw: I have a Windows/OE question actually


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phil Powell" <soazine at erols.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 8:38 PM
Subject: I have a Windows/OE question actually


> I am not only receiving an average of 20 - 30 infected emails per day, but
> now I am "sending" about 5 - 10 infected emails to users via localhost
> (127.0.0.1) and I don't know how I'm doing it!  I am running a virus scan
> every day that detects no viruses (not even heuristic searches find
> anything), yet I'm still "sending" infected SoBig emails!
>
> I have Win2000 Professional and Outlook Express 6.
>
> HELP!
>
> Phil
>

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From csnyder at chxo.com  Mon Sep  1 17:37:50 2003
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 17:37:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] html question
In-Reply-To: <JMEHLOIOFHBEJDCDJNLOEENCDNAA.chendry@nyc.rr.com>
References: <JMEHLOIOFHBEJDCDJNLOEENCDNAA.chendry@nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3F53BC2E.3090200@chxo.com>

As detailed in http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/interact/forms.html#h-17.4

Christopher Hendry wrote:

> Try 'maxlength' instead. 
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     *From:* talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
>     [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]*On Behalf Of *Peter Lehrer
>     *Sent:* Monday, September 01, 2003 5:04 PM
>     *To:* NYPHP Talk
>     *Subject:* [nycphp-talk] html question
>
>     I am trying to get the "maxsize" attribute to work in the input
>     tag, but am having problems. IE 6 appears to ignore it.
>      
>



From soazine at erols.com  Mon Sep  1 17:39:06 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 17:39:06 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fw: I have a Windows/OE question actually
References: <001601c370cf$76b6f9b0$c48e3818@OBERON1>
Message-ID: <067c01c370d1$7886ecd0$67a76244@philofsoa>

Yep, just installed ZoneAlarm with Basic MailSafe.  The infected emails
still keep coming though.. :(

Phil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Gales" <tgales at tgaconnect.com>
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 5:24 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Fw: I have a Windows/OE question actually


Phil,

You could look into Basic MailSafe.
It is included in ZoneAlarm (free edition).

Tim G.

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Phil Powell
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 5:44 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fw: I have a Windows/OE question actually


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phil Powell" <soazine at erols.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 8:38 PM
Subject: I have a Windows/OE question actually


> I am not only receiving an average of 20 - 30 infected emails per day, but
> now I am "sending" about 5 - 10 infected emails to users via localhost
> (127.0.0.1) and I don't know how I'm doing it!  I am running a virus scan
> every day that detects no viruses (not even heuristic searches find
> anything), yet I'm still "sending" infected SoBig emails!
>
> I have Win2000 Professional and Outlook Express 6.
>
> HELP!
>
> Phil
>

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From pl at eskimo.com  Mon Sep  1 17:41:56 2003
From: pl at eskimo.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 17:41:56 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] html question
References: <JMEHLOIOFHBEJDCDJNLOEENCDNAA.chendry@nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <00cf01c370d1$df8f6ba0$442c0242@peter1>

'maxlength' works. Thanks!

PL
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Christopher Hendry 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 5:15 PM
  Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] html question


  Try 'maxlength' instead.

  And try front-end at lists.nyphp.org - I hear those guys are really cool.

  :)

  - C
    -----Original Message-----
    From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Peter Lehrer
    Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 5:04 PM
    To: NYPHP Talk
    Subject: [nycphp-talk] html question


    I am trying to get the "maxsize" attribute to work in the input tag, but am having problems. IE 6 appears to ignore it.

    For example in,

    <input type="text" name="phone" size="15" maxsize="15">

    the text box allows input of 16 or more characters.  Has anyone else noticed this behavior?  Is there a way to work around it?


    Peter Lehrer



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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Mon Sep  1 19:50:32 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 19:50:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Java/Swing <-> PHP/GTK
Message-ID: <001c01c370e3$d4ceb6f0$6400a8c0@thinkpad>

are there any good links on porting apps from java/swing to php/gtk on the
web?  is http://gtk.php.net/manual/en/ the most comprehensive?  do
developers here write gui apps w/ php + gtk?  are there any pitfalls?  how
is the portability issues?

thanks.

- jon

pgp key: http://www.jonbaer.net/jonbaer.asc
fingerprint: F438 A47E C45E 8B27 F68C 1F9B 41DB DB8B 9A0C AF47



From southwell at dneba.com  Mon Sep  1 21:43:52 2003
From: southwell at dneba.com (Michael Southwell)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 21:43:52 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] html question
In-Reply-To: <009b01c370cc$8e6922c0$442c0242@peter1>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030901214103.00b43768@mail.optonline.net>

At 05:03 PM 9/1/2003, you wrote:
>I am trying to get the "maxsize" attribute to work in the input tag, but 
>am having problems. IE 6 appears to ignore it.
>
>For example in,
>
><input type="text" name="phone" size="15" maxsize="15">
>
>the text box allows input of 16 or more characters.  Has anyone else 
>noticed this behavior?  Is there a way to work around it?

you are confusing the two attributes "size" (which determines the size of 
the input box in pixels) and "maxlength" (which determines the number of 
characters allowed to be typed into the box).

>
>
>Peter Lehrer
>
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From csnyder at chxo.com  Tue Sep  2 00:46:51 2003
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 00:46:51 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] so-called triple md5
Message-ID: <3F5420BB.6020802@chxo.com>

I picked up the simple encryption scheme below a couple years ago from a 
comment in the PHP manual. I'm a little curious about its origins -- 
I've seen it referred to as "triple md5", but Google doesn't have much 
to say about that, and I suspect it was a euphemism. The original 
comment has since been deleted.

Does anyone recognize this, or care to comment on its ability to 
withstand anything more than casual snooping? It has the advantage of 
being available in setups without mcrypt support, but a false sense of 
security is worse than none at all.

And by the way, what method do -you- recommend for encrypting data that 
needs to be decrypted later?

> function keyED($txt,$encrypt_key) {
>     $encrypt_key = md5($encrypt_key);
>     $ctr=0;
>     $tmp = "";
>     for ($i=0;$i<strlen($txt);$i++) {
>         if ($ctr==strlen($encrypt_key)) $ctr=0;
>         $tmp.= substr($txt,$i,1) ^ substr($encrypt_key,$ctr,1);
>         $ctr++;
>         }
>     return $tmp;
>     }
>
> function hex2bin($data) {
>     $len = strlen($data);
>     for($i=0;$i<$len;$i+=2) {
>         $newdata .= pack("C",hexdec(substr($data,$i,2)));
>         }
>     return $newdata;
>     }
>
> function encrypt($txt, $key="") {
>     srand((double)microtime()*1000000);
>     $encrypt_key = md5(rand(0,32000));
>     $ctr=0;
>     $tmp = "";
>     for ($i=0;$i<strlen($txt);$i++) {
>         if ($ctr==strlen($encrypt_key)) $ctr=0;
>         $tmp.= substr($encrypt_key,$ctr,1) . (substr($txt,$i,1) ^ 
> substr($encrypt_key,$ctr,1));
>         $ctr++;
>         }
>     return bin2hex(keyED($tmp,$key));
>     }

> function decrypt($text, $key="") {
>     $bin= hex2bin($text);
>     $txt = keyED($bin,$key);
>     $tmp = "";
>     for ($i=0;$i<strlen($txt);$i++) {
>         $md5 = substr($txt,$i,1);
>         $i++;
>         $tmp.= (substr($txt,$i,1) ^ $md5);
>         }
>     return $tmp;
>     }






From dkrook at hotmail.com  Tue Sep  2 01:27:55 2003
From: dkrook at hotmail.com (D C Krook)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 01:27:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] html question
Message-ID: <BAY2-F1126OISo1WYi3000083f0@hotmail.com>

>And try front-end at lists.nyphp.org - I hear those guys are really cool.

I heard the same thing   : )

http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/front-end
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From pl at eskimo.com  Tue Sep  2 08:26:55 2003
From: pl at eskimo.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 08:26:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] html question
References: <BAY2-F1126OISo1WYi3000083f0@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c3714d$810959c0$572c0242@peter1>

thanks. i signed up.

peter
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From: "D C Krook" <dkrook at hotmail.com>
To: <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 1:27 AM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] html question


> >And try front-end at lists.nyphp.org - I hear those guys are really cool.
> 
> I heard the same thing   : )
> 
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/front-end
> http://nyfe.org/
> 
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From sklar at sklar.com  Tue Sep  2 09:32:29 2003
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:32:29 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] so-called triple md5
In-Reply-To: <3F5420BB.6020802@chxo.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJIEPLGJAA.sklar@sklar.com>

Don't use this algorithm. It "encrypts" things by just XORing plaintext with
the MD5 hash of a key. This has many problems, including the fact that since
the output of md5() is a string that contains only the characters [a-e0-9],
there's only 16 possible values that each piece of ciphertext needs to be
xor'ed with to produce plaintext.

If you need to encrypt data that needs to be decrypted later, use an
algorithm designed by a known, qualified cryptosystem designer and (more
importantly) that has stood up to lots of testing and attempts to break it.
For example, Blowfish (http://www.counterpane.com/blowfish.html), which is
available in the mcrypt extension. There are also versions available in
other languages (http://www.counterpane.com/blowfish-download.html) and you
could probably write a (slow) native PHP implementation.

David

On Tuesday, September 02, 2003 12:47 AM,  wrote:

> I picked up the simple encryption scheme below a couple years ago
> from a comment in the PHP manual. I'm a little curious about its
> origins -- I've seen it referred to as "triple md5", but Google
> doesn't have much to say about that, and I suspect it was a
> euphemism. The original comment has since been deleted.
>
> Does anyone recognize this, or care to comment on its ability to
> withstand anything more than casual snooping? It has the advantage of
> being available in setups without mcrypt support, but a false sense of
> security is worse than none at all.
>
> And by the way, what method do -you- recommend for encrypting data
> that needs to be decrypted later?
>
>> function keyED($txt,$encrypt_key) {
>>     $encrypt_key = md5($encrypt_key);
>>     $ctr=0;
>>     $tmp = "";
>>     for ($i=0;$i<strlen($txt);$i++) {
>>         if ($ctr==strlen($encrypt_key)) $ctr=0;
>>         $tmp.= substr($txt,$i,1) ^ substr($encrypt_key,$ctr,1);
>>         $ctr++; }
>>     return $tmp;
>>     }
>>
>> function hex2bin($data) {
>>     $len = strlen($data);
>>     for($i=0;$i<$len;$i+=2) {
>>         $newdata .= pack("C",hexdec(substr($data,$i,2)));         }
>>     return $newdata;
>>     }
>>
>> function encrypt($txt, $key="") {
>>     srand((double)microtime()*1000000);
>>     $encrypt_key = md5(rand(0,32000));
>>     $ctr=0;
>>     $tmp = "";
>>     for ($i=0;$i<strlen($txt);$i++) {
>>         if ($ctr==strlen($encrypt_key)) $ctr=0;
>>         $tmp.= substr($encrypt_key,$ctr,1) . (substr($txt,$i,1) ^
>>         substr($encrypt_key,$ctr,1)); $ctr++;
>>         }
>>     return bin2hex(keyED($tmp,$key));
>>     }
>
>> function decrypt($text, $key="") {
>>     $bin= hex2bin($text);
>>     $txt = keyED($bin,$key);
>>     $tmp = "";
>>     for ($i=0;$i<strlen($txt);$i++) {
>>         $md5 = substr($txt,$i,1);
>>         $i++;
>>         $tmp.= (substr($txt,$i,1) ^ $md5);
>>         }
>>     return $tmp;
>>     }
>
>
>
>
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From pl at eskimo.com  Tue Sep  2 09:36:15 2003
From: pl at eskimo.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 09:36:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fw: I have a Windows/OE question actually
References: <001601c370cf$76b6f9b0$c48e3818@OBERON1>
Message-ID: <00f701c37157$30e1be60$572c0242@peter1>

Di you try getting a sobig removal problem.
http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/tools.list.html

peter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Gales" <tgales at tgaconnect.com>
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 5:24 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Fw: I have a Windows/OE question actually


> Phil,
>
> You could look into Basic MailSafe.
> It is included in ZoneAlarm (free edition).
>
> Tim G.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On
> Behalf Of Phil Powell
> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 5:44 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fw: I have a Windows/OE question actually
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil Powell" <soazine at erols.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 8:38 PM
> Subject: I have a Windows/OE question actually
>
>
> > I am not only receiving an average of 20 - 30 infected emails per day,
but
> > now I am "sending" about 5 - 10 infected emails to users via localhost
> > (127.0.0.1) and I don't know how I'm doing it!  I am running a virus
scan
> > every day that detects no viruses (not even heuristic searches find
> > anything), yet I'm still "sending" infected SoBig emails!
> >
> > I have Win2000 Professional and Outlook Express 6.
> >
> > HELP!
> >
> > Phil
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> talk at lists.nyphp.org
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>
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From Ed at ComSimplicity.com  Tue Sep  2 10:03:41 2003
From: Ed at ComSimplicity.com (Ed McCarroll)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 07:03:41 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fw: I have a Windows/OE question actually
In-Reply-To: <043701c3706d$9d2af450$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <NDBBLLCLKJDNHHNPAAHHMEPEFJAA.Ed@ComSimplicity.com>

> > I am not only receiving an average of 20 - 30 infected emails
> > per day, but now I am "sending" about 5 - 10 infected emails
> > to users via localhost (127.0.0.1) and I don't know how I'm
> > doing it!

Are you sure you're actually sending them?  Could someone else be
spoofing your address?

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From pl at eskimo.com  Tue Sep  2 10:21:33 2003
From: pl at eskimo.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:21:33 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fw: I have a Windows/OE question actually
References: <NDBBLLCLKJDNHHNPAAHHMEPEFJAA.Ed@ComSimplicity.com>
Message-ID: <013501c3715d$85852aa0$572c0242@peter1>


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed McCarroll" <Ed at ComSimplicity.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 10:03 AM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Fw: I have a Windows/OE question actually


> > > I am not only receiving an average of 20 - 30 infected emails
> > > per day, but now I am "sending" about 5 - 10 infected emails
> > > to users via localhost (127.0.0.1) and I don't know how I'm
> > > doing it!
>
> Are you sure you're actually sending them?  Could someone else be
> spoofing your address?
>
This virus sounds like the SOBIG virus. I believe that when it infects your
computer, it starts sending out bogus emails with "pif" attachments to
people in your address book.

Peter Lehrer


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> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>



From shawn at shawnlawyer.com  Tue Sep  2 11:28:24 2003
From: shawn at shawnlawyer.com (shawn at shawnlawyer.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 08:28:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] so-called triple md5
In-Reply-To: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJIEPLGJAA.sklar@sklar.com>
References: <3F5420BB.6020802@chxo.com>
	<NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJIEPLGJAA.sklar@sklar.com>
Message-ID: <3697.165.247.32.174.1062516504.squirrel@mail.shawnlawyer.com>

well on a simplier note, i perfer the sha1() encyption type. it's like the
md5 but produces a longer string of [A-z0-9] characters making it harder
to *guess*. really if you that concerned about security then you need to
discuss this with your sysadmin. they may need to set up software that
stops people from using programs that hit your server repeatedly with
*guessing* requests.


From agfische at email.smith.edu  Tue Sep  2 12:17:40 2003
From: agfische at email.smith.edu (Aaron Fischer)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:17:40 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] ASP resources?
Message-ID: <F9872052-DD60-11D7-BD59-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>

Unfortunately one of my client's sites is hosted on an IIS server 
without php installed.  I haven't worked with ASP before and don't want 
to buy a book as this is a pretty cheap project.  I would appreciate 
pointers to good resources on the web, i.e. discussion groups, web 
tutorials, scripts, etc.  So far the ones that I have gone to have been 
pretty poorly written.

I am just doing a simple form processing that takes the output and 
sends to an email address and redirects the user to a response page.

TIA,

Aaron



From brian at preston-campbell.com  Tue Sep  2 12:21:49 2003
From: brian at preston-campbell.com (Preston-Campbell)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:21:49 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] ASP resources?
In-Reply-To: <F9872052-DD60-11D7-BD59-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>
References: <F9872052-DD60-11D7-BD59-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>
Message-ID: <200309021221.49790.brian@preston-campbell.com>

Check http://www.hotscripts.com for a prewritten solution.  Save yourself the 
time and energy of reinventing the wheel (albeit a sqaure one as we are 
talking about ASP and IIS).

Brian

On Tuesday 02 September 2003 12:17 pm, Aaron Fischer wrote:
> Unfortunately one of my client's sites is hosted on an IIS server
> without php installed.  I haven't worked with ASP before and don't want
> to buy a book as this is a pretty cheap project.  I would appreciate
> pointers to good resources on the web, i.e. discussion groups, web
> tutorials, scripts, etc.  So far the ones that I have gone to have been
> pretty poorly written.
>
> I am just doing a simple form processing that takes the output and
> sends to an email address and redirects the user to a response page.
>
> TIA,
>
> Aaron
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From dkrook at hotmail.com  Tue Sep  2 12:23:49 2003
From: dkrook at hotmail.com (D C Krook)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 12:23:49 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] ASP resources?
Message-ID: <BAY2-F82BC5RH2B9ZF400009f25@hotmail.com>

>I am just doing a simple form processing that takes the output and sends to 
>an email address and redirects the user to a response page.

Aaron,

I've got some simple scripts for this sort of thing online:

http://dev.krook.org/src.php?i=7&t=asp

Make sure that you have CDONTS enabled on the server to send mail.  If you 
want to do redirects, VBScript provides this functionality in 
Response.Redirect("http://example.com/")

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From dan at mx2pro.com  Tue Sep  2 12:23:57 2003
From: dan at mx2pro.com (Dan Horning)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:23:57 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] ASP resources?
In-Reply-To: <F9872052-DD60-11D7-BD59-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>
Message-ID: <000701c3716e$9dd418d0$a00f9942@dwchome>

I would suggest finding out if the server has ASP.net and if so .. Use
it... Otherwise... 
Google it

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org 
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Fischer
> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 12:18 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] ASP resources?
> 
> 
> Unfortunately one of my client's sites is hosted on an IIS server 
> without php installed.  I haven't worked with ASP before and 
> don't want 
> to buy a book as this is a pretty cheap project.  I would appreciate 
> pointers to good resources on the web, i.e. discussion groups, web 
> tutorials, scripts, etc.  So far the ones that I have gone to 
> have been 
> pretty poorly written.
> 
> I am just doing a simple form processing that takes the output and 
> sends to an email address and redirects the user to a response page.
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Aaron
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 



From agfische at email.smith.edu  Tue Sep  2 12:33:13 2003
From: agfische at email.smith.edu (Aaron Fischer)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:33:13 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] ASP resources?
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F82BC5RH2B9ZF400009f25@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <25ED70AC-DD63-11D7-BD59-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>

Thanks all, those are great leads.  Unfortunately the ISP is pretty 
dated with Win NT and IIS 4.0.  I tried one solution using CDONTS and 
came up with errors that I believe are indicating that it is not 
enabled.  Ugh, I will never take a project like this again.

-Aaron


On Tuesday, Sep 2, 2003, at 12:23 US/Eastern, D C Krook wrote:

> Aaron,
>
> I've got some simple scripts for this sort of thing online:
>
> http://dev.krook.org/src.php?i=7&t=asp
>
> Make sure that you have CDONTS enabled on the server to send mail.  If 
> you want to do redirects, VBScript provides this functionality in 
> Response.Redirect("http://example.com/")



From csnyder at chxo.com  Tue Sep  2 13:22:22 2003
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 13:22:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] so-called triple md5
In-Reply-To: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJIEPLGJAA.sklar@sklar.com>
References: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJIEPLGJAA.sklar@sklar.com>
Message-ID: <3F54D1CE.3040806@chxo.com>

Thanks David--

I guess if something is worth hiding, it's worth hiding well.

I'm a little surprised that no one has written the native PHP 
implementation of Blowfish, slow though it may be. I noticed that there 
are PEAR classes that implement RC4 and TEA.

I'm having trouble finding any sort of online resource that compares 
encryption algorithms. Short of reading "Applied Cryptography," are 
there any good overviews out there that might help someone say, "Oh, TEA 
is good enough for what I'm doing," or "Gee, I guess I need to recompile 
with mcrypt support so I can use Blowfish?"

    chris.


David Sklar wrote:

>Don't use this algorithm. It "encrypts" things by just XORing plaintext with
>the MD5 hash of a key. This has many problems, including the fact that since
>the output of md5() is a string that contains only the characters [a-e0-9],
>there's only 16 possible values that each piece of ciphertext needs to be
>xor'ed with to produce plaintext.
>
>If you need to encrypt data that needs to be decrypted later, use an
>algorithm designed by a known, qualified cryptosystem designer and (more
>importantly) that has stood up to lots of testing and attempts to break it.
>For example, Blowfish (http://www.counterpane.com/blowfish.html), which is
>available in the mcrypt extension. There are also versions available in
>other languages (http://www.counterpane.com/blowfish-download.html) and you
>could probably write a (slow) native PHP implementation.
>
>David
>
>  
>



From sklar at sklar.com  Tue Sep  2 13:27:27 2003
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 13:27:27 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] so-called triple md5
In-Reply-To: <3F54D1CE.3040806@chxo.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJEEADGKAA.sklar@sklar.com>

If you're at the point where the difference between TEA and Blowfish is
important to your application, then you should read Applied Cryptography.

What are you encrypting? For the differences between algorithms to really
matter, you should be analyzing how much ciphertext you're generating, who's
likely to snoop it, what kind of resources they have, etc.

For most web-based services, the likelihood of a bruteforce attack (or
slightly-less-than-brute-force based on a weakness of a cryptosystem) is so,
so, so much less than the likelihood of an attack because someone was
careless and left a key in an accesssible place or chose an easily guessable
key. A 56 bit key and a 1024 bit key are equally weak when they're written
on a post-it stuck to a monitor.

David

On Tuesday, September 02, 2003 1:22 PM,  wrote:

> Thanks David--
>
> I guess if something is worth hiding, it's worth hiding well.
>
> I'm a little surprised that no one has written the native PHP
> implementation of Blowfish, slow though it may be. I noticed that
> there are PEAR classes that implement RC4 and TEA.
>
> I'm having trouble finding any sort of online resource that compares
> encryption algorithms. Short of reading "Applied Cryptography," are
> there any good overviews out there that might help someone say, "Oh,
> TEA is good enough for what I'm doing," or "Gee, I guess I need to
> recompile with mcrypt support so I can use Blowfish?"
>
>     chris.



From csnyder at chxo.com  Tue Sep  2 14:28:09 2003
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 14:28:09 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] so-called triple md5
In-Reply-To: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJEEADGKAA.sklar@sklar.com>
References: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJEEADGKAA.sklar@sklar.com>
Message-ID: <3F54E139.4010104@chxo.com>

I'm encrypting smallish strings, probably not subject to attack but 
protected just in case.

1) I want passwords to be encrypted for storage, but decryptable so that 
they can be looked-up by an admin (over SSL) or (gasp!) sent to a user 
via email if the user has agreed in advance that this is a completely 
insecure thing to do.

2) I want to create an encrypted session cookie that includes the 
session id and a shared secret that changes with every request.

3) I'd also like to encrypt identity data like addresses and telephone 
numbers.

This may at some point be used to protect access to quasi-financial data 
(credits in a game economy), but never credit card or social security 
numbers. I know that all of this is dependent on the encryption key 
remaining secret, but in a shared-database environment this seems like 
the right thing to do.

    chris.


David Sklar wrote:

>If you're at the point where the difference between TEA and Blowfish is
>important to your application, then you should read Applied Cryptography.
>
>What are you encrypting? For the differences between algorithms to really
>matter, you should be analyzing how much ciphertext you're generating, who's
>likely to snoop it, what kind of resources they have, etc.
>
>For most web-based services, the likelihood of a bruteforce attack (or
>slightly-less-than-brute-force based on a weakness of a cryptosystem) is so,
>so, so much less than the likelihood of an attack because someone was
>careless and left a key in an accesssible place or chose an easily guessable
>key. A 56 bit key and a 1024 bit key are equally weak when they're written
>on a post-it stuck to a monitor.
>
>David
>
>  
>



From sklar at sklar.com  Tue Sep  2 15:45:02 2003
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 15:45:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] so-called triple md5
In-Reply-To: <3F54E139.4010104@chxo.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJKEAGGKAA.sklar@sklar.com>

If you are not providing any automated processes that do decryption, then
you don't need to store the key anywhere (but in the head of the admin).
This is good (and TEA or Blowfish or whatever will probably just fine for
your encryption).

What do you mean by "shared-database"? Are there users out of your control
who have read access to the tables in which this data is stored? Or are you
dependent upon a third party's correct administration of database access
privileges to ensure that other people can't look at the relevant database
tables. If you are storing the key anywhere, then the encrypted data is only
as secure as wherever the key is (as you noted below). So if you are storing
the key in a file whose proper security depends on a third-party
administrator, you may not be better off than just storing the data under a
permissions regime that also depends on such an administrator.

At some point, the data is valuable enough to put it on a dedicated server,
so that unauthorized access requires either a nasty hole in your application
that exposes it or physical access to the machine.

Then you have to start thinking about unauthorized physical access. There
are lots of ways to make yourself comfortable in this regard, but part of me
keeps thinking that being on the overnight janitorial shift at a large
company or hosting provider would be a very lucrative job -- a USB DVD
writer and a few minutes access to a machine would provide access to lots
and lots of data that would be very valuable.

David


On Tuesday, September 02, 2003 2:28 PM,  wrote:

> I'm encrypting smallish strings, probably not subject to attack but
> protected just in case.
>
> 1) I want passwords to be encrypted for storage, but decryptable so
> that they can be looked-up by an admin (over SSL) or (gasp!) sent to
> a user via email if the user has agreed in advance that this is a
> completely insecure thing to do.
>
> 2) I want to create an encrypted session cookie that includes the
> session id and a shared secret that changes with every request.
>
> 3) I'd also like to encrypt identity data like addresses and
> telephone numbers.
>
> This may at some point be used to protect access to quasi-financial
> data (credits in a game economy), but never credit card or social
> security numbers. I know that all of this is dependent on the
> encryption key remaining secret, but in a shared-database environment
> this seems like the right thing to do.
>
>     chris.
>
>
> David Sklar wrote:
>
>> If you're at the point where the difference between TEA and Blowfish
>> is important to your application, then you should read Applied
>> Cryptography.
>>
>> What are you encrypting? For the differences between algorithms to
>> really matter, you should be analyzing how much ciphertext you're
>> generating, who's likely to snoop it, what kind of resources they
>> have, etc.
>>
>> For most web-based services, the likelihood of a bruteforce attack
>> (or slightly-less-than-brute-force based on a weakness of a
>> cryptosystem) is so, so, so much less than the likelihood of an
>> attack because someone was careless and left a key in an accesssible
>> place or chose an easily guessable key. A 56 bit key and a 1024 bit
>> key are equally weak when they're written on a post-it stuck to a
>> monitor.
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From bpang at bpang.com  Tue Sep  2 16:11:43 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 16:11:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] so-called triple md5
Message-ID: <E19uHV9-000776-Tf@rslrs1-server.com>

No matter what security you put in place, there is always the risk of
Sydney Bristow punching and kicking her way past security in her
high-heels, only to retrieve the data with a device that needs only to
be placed near the HD to read it and upload it to the SD-6 mainframe via
an undetectable satellite uplink where it will be child's play for
Marshal to decrypt.

:)


> If you are not providing any automated processes that do decryption, then
> you don't need to store the key anywhere (but in the head of the admin).
> This is good (and TEA or Blowfish or whatever will probably just fine for
> your encryption).
> 
> What do you mean by "shared-database"? Are there users out of your control
> who have read access to the tables in which this data is stored? Or
are you
> dependent upon a third party's correct administration of database access
> privileges to ensure that other people can't look at the relevant database
> tables. If you are storing the key anywhere, then the encrypted data
is only
> as secure as wherever the key is (as you noted below). So if you are
storing
> the key in a file whose proper security depends on a third-party
> administrator, you may not be better off than just storing the data
under a
> permissions regime that also depends on such an administrator.
> 
> At some point, the data is valuable enough to put it on a dedicated
server,
> so that unauthorized access requires either a nasty hole in your
application
> that exposes it or physical access to the machine.
> 
> Then you have to start thinking about unauthorized physical access. There
> are lots of ways to make yourself comfortable in this regard, but part
of me
> keeps thinking that being on the overnight janitorial shift at a large
> company or hosting provider would be a very lucrative job -- a USB DVD
> writer and a few minutes access to a machine would provide access to lots
> and lots of data that would be very valuable.
> 
> David
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, September 02, 2003 2:28 PM,  wrote:
> 
> > I'm encrypting smallish strings, probably not subject to attack but
> > protected just in case.
> >
> > 1) I want passwords to be encrypted for storage, but decryptable so
> > that they can be looked-up by an admin (over SSL) or (gasp!) sent to
> > a user via email if the user has agreed in advance that this is a
> > completely insecure thing to do.
> >
> > 2) I want to create an encrypted session cookie that includes the
> > session id and a shared secret that changes with every request.
> >
> > 3) I'd also like to encrypt identity data like addresses and
> > telephone numbers.
> >
> > This may at some point be used to protect access to quasi-financial
> > data (credits in a game economy), but never credit card or social
> > security numbers. I know that all of this is dependent on the
> > encryption key remaining secret, but in a shared-database environment
> > this seems like the right thing to do.
> >
> >     chris.
> >
> >
> > David Sklar wrote:
> >
> >> If you're at the point where the difference between TEA and Blowfish
> >> is important to your application, then you should read Applied
> >> Cryptography.
> >>
> >> What are you encrypting? For the differences between algorithms to
> >> really matter, you should be analyzing how much ciphertext you're
> >> generating, who's likely to snoop it, what kind of resources they
> >> have, etc.
> >>
> >> For most web-based services, the likelihood of a bruteforce attack
> >> (or slightly-less-than-brute-force based on a weakness of a
> >> cryptosystem) is so, so, so much less than the likelihood of an
> >> attack because someone was careless and left a key in an accesssible
> >> place or chose an easily guessable key. A 56 bit key and a 1024 bit
> >> key are equally weak when they're written on a post-it stuck to a
> >> monitor.
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> 





From sklar at sklar.com  Tue Sep  2 16:14:54 2003
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 16:14:54 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] so-called triple md5
In-Reply-To: <E19uHV9-000776-Tf@rslrs1-server.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJOEAHGKAA.sklar@sklar.com>

Heh heh heh. That's why I keep my copy of the Mission Impossible NOC list
written in invisible lemon juice ink on ricepaper.

David


> No matter what security you put in place, there is always the risk of
> Sydney Bristow punching and kicking her way past security in her
> high-heels, only to retrieve the data with a device that needs only to
> be placed near the HD to read it and upload it to the SD-6 mainframe
> via an undetectable satellite uplink where it will be child's play
> for Marshal to decrypt.
>
> :)
>



From stephen at musgrave.org  Tue Sep  2 16:36:10 2003
From: stephen at musgrave.org (Stephen Musgrave)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 16:36:10 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MIME multipart email frustrations
In-Reply-To: <3F4FCA7C.5060002@nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <BB7A777A.F363%stephen@musgrave.org>


Thank you all who replied to my query.  I found the solution in "Mime Mail"
in PEAR.  It works great!  However, before finally getting AOL to behave, I
found out that it is extra sensitive to the Bcc: field.

Thanks again!


Stephen Musgrave

//  stephen at musgrave.org
//  http://musgrave.org
//  718-486-6514


On 8/29/03 5:49 PM, "Hans Zaunere" <hans at nyphp.org> wrote:

> 
>> Here's a link to the resulting email file:
>> 
>> http://musgrave.org/mutlipart-source.txt
> 
> A couple of points... for one, according to the RFCs, all line-endings should
> be \r\n 
> 
> And, the general form is a bit off; while the top level header's Content-type
> is correct, the empty Status: header field might throw some clients off.  And,
> if I remember correctly, ending boundaries need an trailing '--'.  But, as Dan
> said, PEAR and phpclasses.org have tons of fairly complete classes for this
> type of thing.
> 
> H
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From csnyder at chxo.com  Tue Sep  2 16:38:55 2003
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 16:38:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] so-called triple md5
In-Reply-To: <E19uHV9-000776-Tf@rslrs1-server.com>
References: <E19uHV9-000776-Tf@rslrs1-server.com>
Message-ID: <20030902203855.GA70841@berylium.psydeshow.org>

Little does she know that the -real- data is on the system that is hidden inside the Six Million Dollar Man lunchbox in the
bottom of my ex-girlfriend's closet. I just run the server farm here at work as a honeypot.

On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 04:11:43PM -0400, Brian Pang wrote:
> No matter what security you put in place, there is always the risk of
> Sydney Bristow punching and kicking her way past security in her
> high-heels, only to retrieve the data with a device that needs only to
> be placed near the HD to read it and upload it to the SD-6 mainframe via
> an undetectable satellite uplink where it will be child's play for
> Marshal to decrypt.
> 


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Tue Sep  2 23:46:22 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 23:46:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php in SecurityFocus Newsletter #212
Message-ID: <20030903034621.GA12489@panix.com>

-----------------
EXCELLENT ARTICLE
-----------------
Securing MySQL: step-by-step
http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1726


----------------
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----------------
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newsPHP Authentication Bypass Vulnerability
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PHPGACL Debugging Information Disclosure Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/8494

Py-Membres Secure.PHP Unauthorized Access Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/8499

Py-Membres Pass_done.PHP Remote SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/8500

Attila PHP SQL Injection Unauthorized Privileged Access Vuln...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/8502

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From soazine at erols.com  Wed Sep  3 03:16:11 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 03:16:11 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] What does function &get_ref() {} do?
Message-ID: <0dfe01c371eb$416a61d0$67a76244@philofsoa>

I've seen the notation '&' floating around prefixing function names from time to time but I can't find any online resource that explains what it does.  Can someone explain it to me?

Thanx
Phil
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From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 03:46:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Help with evaluating a string into an actual PHP line
Message-ID: <0e4901c371ef$78e96530$67a76244@philofsoa>

The following lines are in a TCL script I wrote:

#$xmlTclAssocArray = ('email.xml' => 'emailalert', 'feedback.xml' => 'feedback', 'pollresults.xml' => 'poll', 'profileMember.xml' => 'profile', 'triviaresults.xml' => 'trivia');
# THE PRECEDING LINE IS A COMMENTED-OUT PHP LINE TO BE USED BY alert_view_redirect.php


Only the first line needs to be read by a PHP script, doing an fgets to obtain it, chopping off the "#" from it by doing
a substr($arraySyntax, 1, strlen($arraySyntax) - 1) on it.  

But the trick is that I have to evaluate that line into an actual PHP command as this line is dynamically generated by TCL and not PHP.  How then do I convert this string into an actual existing PHP line that will create an array called $xmlTclAssocArray?

Thanx
Phil

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From soazine at erols.com  Wed Sep  3 04:01:32 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 04:01:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sorry guys, VERY bad coding night tonight!
Message-ID: <0e6b01c371f1$96df27d0$67a76244@philofsoa>

I need to store data into XML that, often enough, is not in English.  How have you guys dealt with characters not found in the English language like ? or ? or ??  I have to store them as "&#229;" in my XML file, however, whenever I am doing evaluation somehow the "&#229;" gets converted literally to "?" and when that displays in HTML it chokes, puts garbage BACK into the XML file and it deteriorates further.

How can I ensure that when going back and forth between HTML, PHP and XML that "&#229;" REMAINS "&#229;" AS IS???

Thanx
Phil
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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Wed Sep  3 01:42:45 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 01:42:45 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] What does function &get_ref() {} do?
References: <0dfe01c371eb$416a61d0$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <005401c371de$337e27d0$6400a8c0@thinkpad>

this explains it pretty well ...

http://www.faqts.com/knowledge_base/view.phtml/aid/134/fid/40

- jon
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Phil Powell 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 3:16 AM
  Subject: [nycphp-talk] What does function &get_ref() {} do?


  I've seen the notation '&' floating around prefixing function names from time to time but I can't find any online resource that explains what it does.  Can someone explain it to me?

  Thanx
  Phil


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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Wed Sep  3 01:47:59 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 01:47:59 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] What does function &get_ref() {} do?
References: <0dfe01c371eb$416a61d0$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <007001c371de$eeff8f30$6400a8c0@thinkpad>

also ...

http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.references.whatdo.php
http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.references.return.php

- jon
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  Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 3:16 AM
  Subject: [nycphp-talk] What does function &get_ref() {} do?


  I've seen the notation '&' floating around prefixing function names from time to time but I can't find any online resource that explains what it does.  Can someone explain it to me?

  Thanx
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From southwell at dneba.com  Wed Sep  3 09:03:50 2003
From: southwell at dneba.com (Michael Southwell)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 09:03:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] What does function &get_ref() {} do?
In-Reply-To: <005401c371de$337e27d0$6400a8c0@thinkpad>
References: <0dfe01c371eb$416a61d0$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030903090047.00b47630@mail.optonline.net>

Here is the relevant portion of Jon's reference (illustrating &$var):
-------------------------
function swap(&$var_1, &$var_2)
{
   $temp = $var_1;
   $var_1 = $var_2;
   $var_2 = $temp;
}

$var_1 = 'I am var 1';
[etc]
-----------------------------

doesn't this need global $var_1,$var_2; in the swap function?


At 01:42 AM 9/3/2003, you wrote:
>this explains it pretty well ...
>
><http://www.faqts.com/knowledge_base/view.phtml/aid/134/fid/40>http://www.faqts.com/knowledge_base/view.phtml/aid/134/fid/40
>
>- jon
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:soazine at erols.com>Phil Powell
>To: <mailto:talk at lists.nyphp.org>NYPHP Talk
>Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 3:16 AM
>Subject: [nycphp-talk] What does function &get_ref() {} do?
>
>I've seen the notation '&' floating around prefixing function names from 
>time to time but I can't find any online resource that explains what it 
>does.  Can someone explain it to me?
>
>Thanx
>Phil
>
>
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From heli_travel at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  3 09:21:20 2003
From: heli_travel at yahoo.com (LIAO YANG)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 06:21:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sorry guys, VERY bad coding night tonight!
In-Reply-To: <0e6b01c371f1$96df27d0$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <20030903132120.51901.qmail@web12202.mail.yahoo.com>

It is just a display problem. Characters are still the same, you
may need a configure your browser or your system to display
multiple languages!


--- Phil Powell <soazine at erols.com> wrote:
> I need to store data into XML that, often enough, is not in
> English.  How have you guys dealt with characters not found in
> the English language like ? or ? or ??  I have to store them
> as "?0?2" in my XML file, however, whenever I am doing
> evaluation somehow the "?0?2" gets converted literally to
> "?" and when that displays in HTML it chokes, puts garbage
> BACK into the XML file and it deteriorates further.
> 
> How can I ensure that when going back and forth between HTML,
> PHP and XML that "?0?2" REMAINS "?0?2" AS IS???
> 
> Thanx
> Phil> _______________________________________________
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From crisscott at netzero.com  Wed Sep  3 09:31:44 2003
From: crisscott at netzero.com (crisscott at netzero.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 13:31:44 GMT
Subject: [nycphp-talk] What does function &get_ref() {} do?
Message-ID: <20030903.063230.116.169941@webmail03.lax.untd.com>


> doesn't this need global $var_1,$var_2; in the swap function?

No.  Normally variables passed to functions are just copies used in the function scope.  When something is passed by reference (&$var), you are telling the function where to find the original variable.  When a function uses a variable reference it can make changes to that variable outside of its own scope.  


From hans at nyphp.org  Wed Sep  3 10:35:47 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 10:35:47 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] What does function &get_ref() {} do?
In-Reply-To: <20030903.063230.116.169941@webmail03.lax.untd.com>
References: <20030903.063230.116.169941@webmail03.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <3F55FC43.6000803@nyphp.org>



This is always a confusing topic, and I'd just like to point a couple things out; hopefully without confusing it more.


>>doesn't this need global $var_1,$var_2; in the swap function?
> 
> No.  Normally variables passed to functions are just copies used in the function scope.

Actually, variables are always passed by reference, although they are "weak".  This means that as long as a argument isn't written to or changed in any way, inside the function, the variable's contents aren't copied.  Only when the argument is written to, are the contents copied, ie copy-on-write.  This doesn't apply, however to objects, IIRC.


H



From shiflett at php.net  Wed Sep  3 10:44:51 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 07:44:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sorry guys, VERY bad coding night tonight!
In-Reply-To: <0e6b01c371f1$96df27d0$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <20030903144451.18516.qmail@web14309.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Phil Powell <soazine at erols.com> wrote:
> How can I ensure that when going back and forth between HTML, PHP
> and XML that "?" REMAINS "?" AS IS???

I don't really understand, but maybe you can use &amp; for the ampersands?

Chris

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From dkrook at hotmail.com  Wed Sep  3 11:20:23 2003
From: dkrook at hotmail.com (D C Krook)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 11:20:23 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sorry guys, VERY bad coding night tonight!
Message-ID: <BAY2-F1377xUbJGaiv60000d674@hotmail.com>

I had a similar problem parsing ampersands in XML and converting the page to 
XHTML via PHP.  To end up with compliant XHTML entities, I had to double 
encode ampersands in the XML like so:

<subcategory>Content Management, Versioning &#38;#38; 
Delivery:</subcategory>

If the sample above gets processed in your mail client, that's
"ampersand - pound - 3 - 8 - pound - 3 - 8"




> > How can I ensure that when going back and forth between HTML, PHP
> > and XML that "?" REMAINS "?" AS IS???
>
>I don't really understand, but maybe you can use &amp; for the ampersands?
>
>Chris

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From sklar at sklar.com  Wed Sep  3 11:25:51 2003
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 11:25:51 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sorry guys, VERY bad coding night tonight!
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F1377xUbJGaiv60000d674@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJCEBGGKAA.sklar@sklar.com>

You can also surround the encoded element content with <![CDATA[ ]]>
markers, like this:

<subcategory><![CDATA[Content Management, Versioning &#38;
Delivery:]]></subcategory>

David

On Wednesday, September 03, 2003 11:20 AM,  wrote:

> I had a similar problem parsing ampersands in XML and converting the
> page to XHTML via PHP.  To end up with compliant XHTML entities, I
> had to double encode ampersands in the XML like so:
>
> <subcategory>Content Management, Versioning &#38;#38;
> Delivery:</subcategory>
>
> If the sample above gets processed in your mail client, that's
> "ampersand - pound - 3 - 8 - pound - 3 - 8"
>
>
>
>
>>> How can I ensure that when going back and forth between HTML, PHP
>>> and XML that "?" REMAINS "?" AS IS???
>>
>> I don't really understand, but maybe you can use &amp; for the
>> ampersands?
>>
>> Chris
>
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From soazine at erols.com  Wed Sep  3 12:04:25 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 12:04:25 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sorry guys, VERY bad coding night tonight!
References: <20030903144451.18516.qmail@web14309.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0f6001c37235$0c2dff00$67a76244@philofsoa>

Actually I do my best coding at 4am!

I figured it all out with htmlspecialchars() function.  It stores it as "?"
or "?" or whatever but can also allow for HTML to safely display it.

Phil

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From: "Chris Shiflett" <shiflett at php.net>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Sorry guys, VERY bad coding night tonight!


> --- Phil Powell <soazine at erols.com> wrote:
> > How can I ensure that when going back and forth between HTML, PHP
> > and XML that "?" REMAINS "?" AS IS???
>
> I don't really understand, but maybe you can use &amp; for the ampersands?
>
> Chris
>
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From soazine at erols.com  Wed Sep  3 12:05:47 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 12:05:47 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sorry guys, VERY bad coding night tonight!
References: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJCEBGGKAA.sklar@sklar.com>
Message-ID: <0f6a01c37235$3cb23150$67a76244@philofsoa>

That's a great option for PHP to parse for XML, but unfortunately PHP is not
the only language accessing the XML file - there is also a backend TCL
script that also reads it; TCL not having any native XML processing syntax
it would choke on <![CDATA]>

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Sklar" <sklar at sklar.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 11:25 AM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Sorry guys, VERY bad coding night tonight!


> You can also surround the encoded element content with <![CDATA[ ]]>
> markers, like this:
>
> <subcategory><![CDATA[Content Management, Versioning &#38;
> Delivery:]]></subcategory>
>
> David
>
> On Wednesday, September 03, 2003 11:20 AM,  wrote:
>
> > I had a similar problem parsing ampersands in XML and converting the
> > page to XHTML via PHP.  To end up with compliant XHTML entities, I
> > had to double encode ampersands in the XML like so:
> >
> > <subcategory>Content Management, Versioning &#38;#38;
> > Delivery:</subcategory>
> >
> > If the sample above gets processed in your mail client, that's
> > "ampersand - pound - 3 - 8 - pound - 3 - 8"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>> How can I ensure that when going back and forth between HTML, PHP
> >>> and XML that "?" REMAINS "?" AS IS???
> >>
> >> I don't really understand, but maybe you can use &amp; for the
> >> ampersands?
> >>
> >> Chris
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
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From southwell at dneba.com  Wed Sep  3 14:33:46 2003
From: southwell at dneba.com (Michael Southwell)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:33:46 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS column announcement
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030903143133.00b2a660@mail.optonline.net>

After a series of discussions among Hans, Jeff Siegel, and Mike Southwell,
we are beginning a Fundamentals thread on the Talk list.  The purpose of
the thread is to provide a way for the highly experienced among you to help
out those who are less experienced by offering your insights into best
practices.  The format will be as follows:
         a) We will pose a problem or issue (sometimes with a possible 
solution or two).
         b) The subject line of the posting will be "Fundamentals: <Name of 
problem>".
         c) After some discussion on the list, the whole thread will be 
collected and
turned into a brief article that will then be posted on the website.

Your participation will help to make this a success.


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From psaw at pswebcode.com  Wed Sep  3 16:21:31 2003
From: psaw at pswebcode.com (pswebcode, nyc)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 16:21:31 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Force File Download HTTP Headers and IE Issue
Message-ID: <001e01c37258$f7c72d60$68e4a144@bronco>

My question:
Anyone got a working runaround suggestion to force file downloads on IE?

My issue(s):
I am using PHP to write HTTP headers to force pdf file download to user
roughly as follows:

blah, authenticate user, blah, select $file, blah... then push with...

header ("Content-Type: application/octet-stream");
header("Content-Transfer-Encoding: Binary");
header("Content-Length: $iFileSize");
header ("Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=$iFileName");
readfile("$file");

Netscape conforms and opens the Save As... dialog as expected. IE6 messes up
the content-disposition header and opens the download inline in the browser
without prompting user to Save As...

Seems regardless, of content-type header specified:
application/octet-stream
application/force-download
application/pdf

IE will mess it up. This is a known issue. Best run around I've seen so far
is to .Zip the files, in which case IE offers the Save As... on the
download. Don't want to zip em. 

Thoughts?

Warmest regards,

Peter Sawczynec, Technology Director
PSWebcode -- Web Development and 
Site Architecture
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From suzerain at suzerain.com  Wed Sep  3 16:31:44 2003
From: suzerain at suzerain.com (Marc Antony Vose)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 16:31:44 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Force File Download HTTP Headers and IE Issue
In-Reply-To: <001e01c37258$f7c72d60$68e4a144@bronco>
References: <001e01c37258$f7c72d60$68e4a144@bronco>
Message-ID: <a06001a01bb7bff0d018f@[192.168.1.44]>

I may be wrong, but I think the only reason you're seeing the save 
as... dialog in Netscape is because the Adobe Acrobat web browser 
plugin doesn't run in Netscape anymore.  AFAIK (and according to the 
system requirements), Acrobat seems to be implemented in ActiveX now, 
which will only work (on Windows) in IE.

http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/acrrsystemreqs.html#60win

So what I'm saying is that your script isn't what's controlling this; 
if the plugin was functioning in Netscape, NS would display it 
inline, too.

To illustrate this, forget about PDF for a second, and pretend it's a 
JPEG.  Try forcing a download of a JPEG.  I don't believe you can do 
it, because the client-side browser controls how it will handle JPEGs 
(i.e., whether it will display inline or send to another viewer).

Of course, as I said, I may be wrong.  :)

Marc Antony Vose
http://www.suzerain.com/

The cost of liberty is less than the price of repression.
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>My question:
>Anyone got a working runaround suggestion to force file downloads on IE?
>
>My issue(s):
>I am using PHP to write HTTP headers to force pdf file download to user
>roughly as follows:
>
>blah, authenticate user, blah, select $file, blah... then push with...
>
>header ("Content-Type: application/octet-stream");
>header("Content-Transfer-Encoding: Binary");
>header("Content-Length: $iFileSize");
>header ("Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=$iFileName");
>readfile("$file");
>
>Netscape conforms and opens the Save As... dialog as expected. IE6 messes up
>the content-disposition header and opens the download inline in the browser
>without prompting user to Save As...
>
>Seems regardless, of content-type header specified:
>application/octet-stream
>application/force-download
>application/pdf
>
>IE will mess it up. This is a known issue. Best run around I've seen so far
>is to .Zip the files, in which case IE offers the Save As... on the
>download. Don't want to zip em.
>
>Thoughts?
>
>Warmest regards,
>
>Peter Sawczynec, Technology Director
>PSWebcode -- Web Development and
>Site Architecture
>psaw at pswebcode.com
>www.pswebcode.com
>718.543.3240
>
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
>talk at lists.nyphp.org
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From bpang at bpang.com  Wed Sep  3 16:36:03 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 16:36:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Force File Download HTTP Headers and IE Issue
Message-ID: <E19ueMF-0001cU-Ty@rslrs1-server.com>

I think this has been addressed in the archives already..
but maybe not specific to PDF

this works for me. Still prompts to save, but fills in the filename.
Does it work for you?


header("Cache-Control: no-cache, must-revalidate");
header("Pragma: no-cache");
header("Content-type: application/octet-stream");
header("Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=\"$filename\"");
$fd=fopen("$filePath","r");
fpassthru($fd);


> My question:
> Anyone got a working runaround suggestion to force file downloads on IE?
> 
> My issue(s):
> I am using PHP to write HTTP headers to force pdf file download to user
> roughly as follows:
> 
> blah, authenticate user, blah, select $file, blah... then push with...
> 
> header ("Content-Type: application/octet-stream");
> header("Content-Transfer-Encoding: Binary");
> header("Content-Length: $iFileSize");
> header ("Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=$iFileName");
> readfile("$file");
> 
> Netscape conforms and opens the Save As... dialog as expected. IE6
messes up
> the content-disposition header and opens the download inline in the
browser
> without prompting user to Save As...
> 
> Seems regardless, of content-type header specified:
> application/octet-stream
> application/force-download
> application/pdf
> 
> IE will mess it up. This is a known issue. Best run around I've seen
so far
> is to .Zip the files, in which case IE offers the Save As... on the
> download. Don't want to zip em. 
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Warmest regards,
> 
> Peter Sawczynec, Technology Director
> PSWebcode -- Web Development and 
> Site Architecture
> psaw at pswebcode.com
> www.pswebcode.com
> 718.543.3240
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From bpang at bpang.com  Wed Sep  3 16:44:52 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 16:44:52 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Force File Download HTTP Headers and IE Issue
Message-ID: <E19ueUm-0002Ky-6u@rslrs1-server.com>

that code snippet I posted should work similarily for jpgs or anything
else...



> I may be wrong, but I think the only reason you're seeing the save 
> as... dialog in Netscape is because the Adobe Acrobat web browser 
> plugin doesn't run in Netscape anymore.  AFAIK (and according to the 
> system requirements), Acrobat seems to be implemented in ActiveX now, 
> which will only work (on Windows) in IE.
> 
> http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/acrrsystemreqs.html#60win
> 
> So what I'm saying is that your script isn't what's controlling this; 
> if the plugin was functioning in Netscape, NS would display it 
> inline, too.
> 
> To illustrate this, forget about PDF for a second, and pretend it's a 
> JPEG.  Try forcing a download of a JPEG.  I don't believe you can do 
> it, because the client-side browser controls how it will handle JPEGs 
> (i.e., whether it will display inline or send to another viewer).
> 
> Of course, as I said, I may be wrong.  :)
> 
> Marc Antony Vose
> http://www.suzerain.com/
> 
> The cost of liberty is less than the price of repression.
> -- W.E.B. Du Bois
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >My question:
> >Anyone got a working runaround suggestion to force file downloads on IE?
> >
> >My issue(s):
> >I am using PHP to write HTTP headers to force pdf file download to user
> >roughly as follows:
> >
> >blah, authenticate user, blah, select $file, blah... then push with...
> >
> >header ("Content-Type: application/octet-stream");
> >header("Content-Transfer-Encoding: Binary");
> >header("Content-Length: $iFileSize");
> >header ("Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=$iFileName");
> >readfile("$file");
> >
> >Netscape conforms and opens the Save As... dialog as expected. IE6
messes up
> >the content-disposition header and opens the download inline in the
browser
> >without prompting user to Save As...
> >
> >Seems regardless, of content-type header specified:
> >application/octet-stream
> >application/force-download
> >application/pdf
> >
> >IE will mess it up. This is a known issue. Best run around I've seen
so far
> >is to .Zip the files, in which case IE offers the Save As... on the
> >download. Don't want to zip em.
> >
> >Thoughts?
> >
> >Warmest regards,
> >
> >Peter Sawczynec, Technology Director
> >PSWebcode -- Web Development and
> >Site Architecture
> >psaw at pswebcode.com
> >www.pswebcode.com
> >718.543.3240
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >talk mailing list
> >talk at lists.nyphp.org
> >http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> 





From shiflett at php.net  Wed Sep  3 16:49:12 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 13:49:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Force File Download HTTP Headers and IE Issue
In-Reply-To: <001e01c37258$f7c72d60$68e4a144@bronco>
Message-ID: <20030903204912.85186.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "pswebcode, nyc" <psaw at pswebcode.com> wrote:
> header ("Content-Type: application/octet-stream");
> header("Content-Transfer-Encoding: Binary");

Get rid of Content-Transfer-Encoding. There is no such header. It shouldn't
affect the outcome, but it's best to simplify the problem with as few errors as
possible. :-)

> header("Content-Length: $iFileSize");
> header ("Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=$iFileName");

The filename should be quoted.

See if that makes a difference, and let us know.

Chris

=====
Become a better Web developer with the HTTP Developer's Handbook
http://httphandbook.org/


From suzerain at suzerain.com  Wed Sep  3 17:01:30 2003
From: suzerain at suzerain.com (Marc Antony Vose)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 17:01:30 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Force File Download HTTP Headers and IE Issue
In-Reply-To: <E19ueMF-0001cU-Ty@rslrs1-server.com>
References: <E19ueMF-0001cU-Ty@rslrs1-server.com>
Message-ID: <a06001a03bb7c0684c17a@[192.168.1.44]>

>I think this has been addressed in the archives already..
>but maybe not specific to PDF
>
>this works for me. Still prompts to save, but fills in the filename.
>Does it work for you?
>
>
>header("Cache-Control: no-cache, must-revalidate");
>header("Pragma: no-cache");
>header("Content-type: application/octet-stream");
>header("Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=\"$filename\"");
>$fd=fopen("$filePath","r");
>fpassthru($fd);
>


It's worth pointing out, I suppose, that to some systems (i.e., 
classic Mac OS), once you tell the browser that a JPEG (or PDF in 
your case) is "application/octet-stream", it is no longer a JPEG (or 
PDF).

If this is a controlled Windows environment which relies on simple 
file extensions to identify files, you're probably fine, but if you 
don't know the types of clients that might connect, you run a risk of 
creating problems where people might double-click on the resulting 
downloaded file and nothing happenes, because the OS no longer 
recognizes it as a JPEG.

Cheers,
-- 
Marc Antony Vose
http://www.suzerain.com/

Imagination is more important than knowledge.
-- Albert Einstein


From bpang at bpang.com  Wed Sep  3 17:11:13 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 17:11:13 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Force File Download HTTP Headers and IE Issue
Message-ID: <E19ueuH-000566-HB@rslrs1-server.com>

oh yeah.. stupid Mac resource forks...

good point 

I don't have enough experience with them, but I would guess that there
is a way to append/pre-pend a resource fork to the file.
does anyone know about this?

or you could read the file's info or do the filename extension mapping
yourself in the script and set the content-type accordingly.




> >I think this has been addressed in the archives already..
> >but maybe not specific to PDF
> >
> >this works for me. Still prompts to save, but fills in the filename.
> >Does it work for you?
> >
> >
> >header("Cache-Control: no-cache, must-revalidate");
> >header("Pragma: no-cache");
> >header("Content-type: application/octet-stream");
> >header("Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=\"$filename\"");
> >$fd=fopen("$filePath","r");
> >fpassthru($fd);
> >
> 
> 
> It's worth pointing out, I suppose, that to some systems (i.e., 
> classic Mac OS), once you tell the browser that a JPEG (or PDF in 
> your case) is "application/octet-stream", it is no longer a JPEG (or 
> PDF).
> 
> If this is a controlled Windows environment which relies on simple 
> file extensions to identify files, you're probably fine, but if you 
> don't know the types of clients that might connect, you run a risk of 
> creating problems where people might double-click on the resulting 
> downloaded file and nothing happenes, because the OS no longer 
> recognizes it as a JPEG.
> 
> Cheers,
> -- 
> Marc Antony Vose
> http://www.suzerain.com/
> 
> Imagination is more important than knowledge.
> -- Albert Einstein
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> 





From bpang at bpang.com  Wed Sep  3 17:16:10 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 17:16:10 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Force File Download HTTP Headers and IE Issue
Message-ID: <E19uez4-0005Y6-N9@rslrs1-server.com>

hmm...

IE 6.0.2 on *blush* Win98 uses the specified filename.

will investigate further

> Brian: On a quick test, this set of headers is forcing a Save As... dialog
> on my IE6 on WINXP. Good so far. But the filename is the name of the php
> page that sent down the headers and then the save fails.\
> 
> The following MS page contains a discussion of the issue I am having with
> your headers an d additional links to more known issues surrounding force
> download and IE:
>
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:
> 80/support/kb/articles/Q279/6/67.ASP&NoWebContent=1
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> PSaw
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Pang [mailto:bpang at bpang.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 4:36 PM
> To: psaw at pswebcode.com; NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Force File Download HTTP Headers and IE Issue
> 
> 
> I think this has been addressed in the archives already..
> but maybe not specific to PDF
> 
> this works for me. Still prompts to save, but fills in the filename.
Does it
> work for you?
> 
> 
> header("Cache-Control: no-cache, must-revalidate");
> header("Pragma: no-cache");
> header("Content-type: application/octet-stream");
> header("Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=\"$filename\"");
> $fd=fopen("$filePath","r"); fpassthru($fd);
> 
> 
> > My question:
> > Anyone got a working runaround suggestion to force file downloads on 
> > IE?
> > 
> > My issue(s):
> > I am using PHP to write HTTP headers to force pdf file download to 
> > user roughly as follows:
> > 
> > blah, authenticate user, blah, select $file, blah... then push with...
> > 
> > header ("Content-Type: application/octet-stream");
> > header("Content-Transfer-Encoding: Binary");
> > header("Content-Length: $iFileSize");
> > header ("Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=$iFileName"); 
> > readfile("$file");
> > 
> > Netscape conforms and opens the Save As... dialog as expected. IE6
> messes up
> > the content-disposition header and opens the download inline in the
> browser
> > without prompting user to Save As...
> > 
> > Seems regardless, of content-type header specified: 
> > application/octet-stream application/force-download
> > application/pdf
> > 
> > IE will mess it up. This is a known issue. Best run around I've seen
> so far
> > is to .Zip the files, in which case IE offers the Save As... on the 
> > download. Don't want to zip em.
> > 
> > Thoughts?
> > 
> > Warmest regards,
> > 
> > Peter Sawczynec, Technology Director
> > PSWebcode -- Web Development and
> > Site Architecture
> > psaw at pswebcode.com
> > www.pswebcode.com
> > 718.543.3240
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 





From jeffknight at mac.com  Wed Sep  3 17:36:07 2003
From: jeffknight at mac.com (Jeff Knight)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 17:36:07 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Force File Download HTTP Headers and IE Issue
Message-ID: <A0A44750-DE56-11D7-BA7A-000393B9FB36@mac.com>

 From the reader comments at php.net/manual
http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.header.php
(I'm not being a RTFM smartass, I just happened to be there very 
recently)

simon dot lee at terago dot ca
    28-May-2002 05:50
  Additional notes to my workaround on Q266305:

  I have tested my findings with PDF, XLS, DOC and ZIP. However JPG and 
GIF didn't make IE pop up the download box.? By changing content type 
from "octet-stream" to "force-download" (or some undefined type), it 
will work. Of course, we need to take care of other browsers too. Here 
is the improved code, hope it helps:

  header("Content-type: application/force-download");

  if (strstr($_SERVER["HTTP_USER_AGENT"], "MSIE"))
  ? header("Content-Disposition: filename=$myfile" . "%20"); // For IE
  else
  ? header("Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=$myfile"); ? ? // 
For Other browsers

  Note: If you are using session together with this download, you will 
need to add the following line BEFORE the code above to make IE work:

  session_cache_limiter("");



======


It (or some other voodoo) got my thing working.... good luck.

Of course, while you're there you'll also find an endless discussion of 
."%20", other IE 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 and Opera on my Highly Customized 
Toilet discussions....

On Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 04:21  PM, pswebcode, nyc wrote:

> My question:
> Anyone got a working runaround suggestion to force file downloads on 
> IE?
>
> My issue(s):
> I am using PHP to write HTTP headers to force pdf file download to user
> roughly as follows:
>
> blah, authenticate user, blah, select $file, blah... then push with...
>
> header ("Content-Type: application/octet-stream");
> header("Content-Transfer-Encoding: Binary");
> header("Content-Length: $iFileSize");
> header ("Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=$iFileName");
> readfile("$file");
>
> Netscape conforms and opens the Save As... dialog as expected. IE6 
> messes up
> the content-disposition header and opens the download inline in the 
> browser
> without prompting user to Save As...
>
> Seems regardless, of content-type header specified:
> application/octet-stream
> application/force-download
> application/pdf
>
> IE will mess it up. This is a known issue. Best run around I've seen 
> so far
> is to .Zip the files, in which case IE offers the Save As... on the
> download. Don't want to zip em.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Warmest regards,
>
> Peter Sawczynec, Technology Director
> PSWebcode -- Web Development and
> Site Architecture
> psaw at pswebcode.com
> www.pswebcode.com
> 718.543.3240
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>

Jeff Knight
jeff at lushmedia.com
212/213-6558 x 203
LUSH media
110 W 40th St #1502
New York, NY 10018


From shiflett at php.net  Wed Sep  3 17:38:45 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:38:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Force File Download HTTP Headers and IE Issue
In-Reply-To: <a06001a03bb7c0684c17a@[192.168.1.44]>
Message-ID: <20030903213845.92412.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Marc Antony Vose <suzerain at suzerain.com> wrote:
> It's worth pointing out, I suppose, that to some systems (i.e., 
> classic Mac OS), once you tell the browser that a JPEG (or PDF in 
> your case) is "application/octet-stream", it is no longer a JPEG
> (or PDF).

Can you explain that? I don't understand how it could matter after the resource
has been downloaded and saved to the filesystem. Typically, the content type
described in the HTTP response is used by the HTTP client only.

I'm certainly not arguing, but I'd like that explained further if you are
certain it is true.

Chris

=====
Become a better Web developer with the HTTP Developer's Handbook
http://httphandbook.org/


From max at idsociety.com  Wed Sep  3 18:15:05 2003
From: max at idsociety.com (max goldberg)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 18:15:05 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Force File Download HTTP Headers and IE Issue
In-Reply-To: <001e01c37258$f7c72d60$68e4a144@bronco>
References: <001e01c37258$f7c72d60$68e4a144@bronco>
Message-ID: <3F5667E9.4050507@idsociety.com>

I had this problem quite a few months ago. I don't remember what exactly
causes the problem, but I remember the solution was that I was forced to
write the file to disk, and then open it back up and shoot it out.

A similar problem occurs with mod_rewrite and IE6 from a bug thats been
in IE6 for > 2 years. They are pretty lazy when it comes to fixing stuff
like this.

Anyway, try writing the file to disk first and see if that helps.

-Max

pswebcode, nyc wrote:

> My question:
> Anyone got a working runaround suggestion to force file downloads on IE?
> 
> My issue(s):
> I am using PHP to write HTTP headers to force pdf file download to user
> roughly as follows:
> 
> blah, authenticate user, blah, select $file, blah... then push with...
> 
> header ("Content-Type: application/octet-stream");
> header("Content-Transfer-Encoding: Binary");
> header("Content-Length: $iFileSize");
> header ("Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=$iFileName");
> readfile("$file");
> 
> Netscape conforms and opens the Save As... dialog as expected. IE6 messes up
> the content-disposition header and opens the download inline in the browser
> without prompting user to Save As...
> 
> Seems regardless, of content-type header specified:
> application/octet-stream
> application/force-download
> application/pdf
> 
> IE will mess it up. This is a known issue. Best run around I've seen so far
> is to .Zip the files, in which case IE offers the Save As... on the
> download. Don't want to zip em. 
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Warmest regards,
> 
> Peter Sawczynec, Technology Director
> PSWebcode -- Web Development and 
> Site Architecture
> psaw at pswebcode.com
> www.pswebcode.com
> 718.543.3240
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From suzerain at suzerain.com  Wed Sep  3 19:48:19 2003
From: suzerain at suzerain.com (Marc Antony Vose)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:48:19 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Force File Download HTTP Headers and IE Issue
In-Reply-To: <20030903213845.92412.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030903213845.92412.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a06001a01bb7c28f5d435@[192.168.1.44]>

>--- Marc Antony Vose <suzerain at suzerain.com> wrote:
>>  It's worth pointing out, I suppose, that to some systems (i.e.,
>>  classic Mac OS), once you tell the browser that a JPEG (or PDF in
>>  your case) is "application/octet-stream", it is no longer a JPEG
>>  (or PDF).
>
>Can you explain that? I don't understand how it could matter after 
>the resource
>has been downloaded and saved to the filesystem. Typically, the content type
>described in the HTTP response is used by the HTTP client only.
>
>I'm certainly not arguing, but I'd like that explained further if you are
>certain it is true.
>


Well, the whole file metadata thing is a huge can of worms.

So, before I say anything to explain, I'll say:  (1) This probably is 
only a problem in this instance with Classic Mac OS (meaning, prior 
to X).  Therefore, your amount of caring might be minimal.  I say, 
test it on every single browser you care about supporting, and if it 
works, then you've made your choice.

Anyway, the explanation is lengthy, and it's a hot debate in the Mac 
community right now, because Apple is (in a lot of people's minds) 
moving backwards by adopting the Windows/Unix file extension setup, 
instead of creating a more sophisticated file metadata architecture 
in the OS.

The way files are organized in Mac OS is that they have a data fork 
and a resource fork.  Unix and Windows systems don't have this, so 
generally when files from a Mac are put on a Web site, the resource 
fork is stripped.  (Mac OS X, by the way, can utilize the resource 
fork if present, and then has a backup mapping from the extension. 
This is a bit of an oversimplification, but it is pretty much 
accurate.)

Anyway, as Brian said earlier, "stupid Mac resource forks".  And, in 
this case, it sucks for the programmer, because it makes life more 
difficult if you choose to care about it.

Then again, it could be argued that calling a PDF an "octet-stream" 
just to get around file download limitations of the browser maybe 
isn't the best solution from the standpoint of interoperability and 
just "the way things ought to be done", so that everything is certain 
to work on future (as yet undesigned) systems, and so forth.

IMHO opinion, MIME types are there for a reason, and for the good of 
standards and interoperability, people should be sending out the 
proper MIME types with the file, instead of trying to fool the 
browser into doing something else.

So, if I was doing this project, my choice would probably be to ZIP 
the file, especially since ZIP files seem to be so pervasive these 
days that they are auto-extracted anyway. But, to each his/her own, 
and I am not meaning to be critical, or anything.

So, anyway, what most Mac browsers seemed to be doing (under OS 9 and 
earlier) is this:  If they received an octet stream (or a generic 
data stream), if they could determine the file type, they appeared to 
add a resource fork onto the file (sometimes) which allowed the OS to 
map the file properly.

However, many times, the file would just be downloaded and end up 
with the blank page icon which, when clicked, wouldn't open.  (I've 
specifically seen this problem with PDF files, by the way.)

Now, to get religious for a bit:

The main advantage of the resource fork becomes clear when you use a 
Mac on a daily basis.  The thing is, in Windows, if you double-click 
a JPG...any JPG...it opens with the program that's the default for 
opening JPEGs.  Obviously, this is silly, because you might want to 
have one JPEG associated with Photoshop and another associated with 
Preview, or whatever.  That's what the resource fork allows the OS to 
do:  separate the type of file from the creator of the file.

It also frees the user from stupidly having to have a file extension 
on every file.  So, you can just call your file "Letter to Bob 
Jones", rather than "Letter to Bob Jones.doc".  Just easier from a 
user's standpoint.

There was a lengthy article on ArsTechnica about this a while ago.

I have my own opinions on file metadata which I won't go into now.  ;)

Cheers,

Marc



From hans at nyphp.org  Wed Sep  3 21:21:25 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 21:21:25 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS column announcement
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030903143133.00b2a660@mail.optonline.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030903143133.00b2a660@mail.optonline.net>
Message-ID: <3F569395.5010304@nyphp.org>



Michael Southwell wrote:

> After a series of discussions among Hans, Jeff Siegel, and Mike Southwell,
> we are beginning a Fundamentals thread on the Talk list.  The purpose of
> the thread is to provide a way for the highly experienced among you to help
> out those who are less experienced by offering your insights into best
> practices.  The format will be as follows:
>         a) We will pose a problem or issue (sometimes with a possible 
> solution or two).
>         b) The subject line of the posting will be "Fundamentals: <Name 
> of problem>".
>         c) After some discussion on the list, the whole thread will be 
> collected and
> turned into a brief article that will then be posted on the website.
> 
> Your participation will help to make this a success.

This will be a great addition to the mailing list, and PHP resources in general.  I hope everyone will be eager to weigh in and voice their techniques for the various topics.  There truly are no wrong answers, and with everyone's techniques and opinions will come a valuable lesson.  As the topics are posted on this list, I'll be maintaining a current news event on the nyphp.org front-page so that people can stay abreast of the current discussion topics.

A big thank you to you both for working on this over the last month,

H




From csnyder at chxo.com  Wed Sep  3 21:34:49 2003
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 21:34:49 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Force File Download HTTP Headers and IE Issue
In-Reply-To: <a06001a01bb7c28f5d435@[192.168.1.44]>
References: <20030903213845.92412.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com>
	<a06001a01bb7c28f5d435@[192.168.1.44]>
Message-ID: <3F5696B9.6090702@chxo.com>

Excellent explanation, Marc!

It's true that the mime-type should always be an accurate description of 
the file, but application/octet-stream is accurate, if overly general. 
Perhaps what was missing from Macintosh's Classic metadata handling was 
a way for the user to easily change the filetype, by adding a .pdf to 
the filename, for example? (it's been a long time...)

The reson for the behavior, while not explained, is set forth in RFC 
2616, the HTTP 1.1 specification:

   "If this header [Content-disposition: attachment] is used in a response 
   with the application/octet-stream content-type, the implied suggestion 
   is that the user agent should not display the response, but directly 
   enter a `save response as...' dialog."

Otherwise, the browser is only supposed to use the Content-disposition 
header for discovering the file name in case the user wants to save the 
file after viewing it.

If you're really curious, that's on about page 170 of 
ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc2616.txt  (thank you, Mozilla, for 
type-ahead find!)

   chris.



From pl at eskimo.com  Wed Sep  3 22:52:47 2003
From: pl at eskimo.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:52:47 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] What does function &get_ref() {} do?
References: <0dfe01c371eb$416a61d0$67a76244@philofsoa>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20030903090047.00b47630@mail.optonline.net>
Message-ID: <00b501c3728f$a06577c0$902c0242@peter1>

What you are doing is passing a reference to $var_1 and $var_2. In this way,
you can change the values of these variables outside the scope of the
function.

Peter L.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Southwell" <southwell at dneba.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] What does function &get_ref() {} do?


> Here is the relevant portion of Jon's reference (illustrating &$var):
> -------------------------
> function swap(&$var_1, &$var_2)
> {
>    $temp = $var_1;
>    $var_1 = $var_2;
>    $var_2 = $temp;
> }
>
> $var_1 = 'I am var 1';
> [etc]
> -----------------------------
>
> doesn't this need global $var_1,$var_2; in the swap function?
>
>
> At 01:42 AM 9/3/2003, you wrote:
> >this explains it pretty well ...
> >
>
><http://www.faqts.com/knowledge_base/view.phtml/aid/134/fid/40>http://www.f
aqts.com/knowledge_base/view.phtml/aid/134/fid/40
> >
> >- jon
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <mailto:soazine at erols.com>Phil Powell
> >To: <mailto:talk at lists.nyphp.org>NYPHP Talk
> >Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 3:16 AM
> >Subject: [nycphp-talk] What does function &get_ref() {} do?
> >
> >I've seen the notation '&' floating around prefixing function names from
> >time to time but I can't find any online resource that explains what it
> >does.  Can someone explain it to me?
> >
> >Thanx
> >Phil
> >
> >
> >----------
> >_______________________________________________
> >talk mailing list
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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Thu Sep  4 06:59:14 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 06:59:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure
Message-ID: <002201c372d3$9534b070$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure:  Where to Locate Includes?

Index.php is always located in a website's document root, /var/www/html/
on 
a Linux box.
Where should includes be located?

Here are some possibilities:
* in the same directory, /var/www/html/
* in a subdirectory of document root, /var/www/html/includes/
* in a parallel directory to document root, /var/www/includes

What are the advantages and disadvantages of each possibility?
IN THE SAME DIRECTORY
* simple
* but confusing and cluttered if there are more than just a few
IN A SUBDIRECTORY
* provides a logical place for them
* but exposes them to browsers
IN A PARALLEL DIRECTORY
* provides a logical place for them
* doesn't expose them to browsers
* but perhaps write privileges are not available (or needed?)

What does exposure matter?
If the include file contains html, it will be visible in the calling
file's 
source code.
If it contains php code (like a database connection), it will never be 
visible anyway.

Are there important principles here, or is location just a matter of 
preference?

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From seth at ghiek.com  Thu Sep  4 07:33:00 2003
From: seth at ghiek.com (Seth [Ghiek])
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 07:33:00 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure
In-Reply-To: <002201c372d3$9534b070$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <DIEDLADLFPMJJDLPNBEAGEMAGAAA.seth@ghiek.com>

The parallel directory to document root, /var/www/includes, is my vote. No
matter what happens, the .inc files are not available to anyone other than
those who have ftp access.

Once you have decided that your .inc files are outside the public area, it
is an easy matter to consistently format your require statements that are
within your .php code.

Locating .inc files in a parallell directory to the document root reduces
one less factor (ie, noone but u can get to them) that causes headaches
later. Why think about the possibility of a prob when u can discount it
completely?

spirits,

seth j hersh

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[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Jeff
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:59 AM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure


FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure:  Where to Locate Includes?

Index.php is always located in a website's document root, /var/www/html/
on
a Linux box.
Where should includes be located?

Here are some possibilities:
* in the same directory, /var/www/html/
* in a subdirectory of document root, /var/www/html/includes/
* in a parallel directory to document root, /var/www/includes

What are the advantages and disadvantages of each possibility?
IN THE SAME DIRECTORY
* simple
* but confusing and cluttered if there are more than just a few
IN A SUBDIRECTORY
* provides a logical place for them
* but exposes them to browsers
IN A PARALLEL DIRECTORY
* provides a logical place for them
* doesn't expose them to browsers
* but perhaps write privileges are not available (or needed?)

What does exposure matter?
If the include file contains html, it will be visible in the calling
file's
source code.
If it contains php code (like a database connection), it will never be
visible anyway.

Are there important principles here, or is location just a matter of
preference?

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From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Thu Sep  4 08:27:59 2003
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 08:27:59 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure
References: <002201c372d3$9534b070$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <00e201c372df$fa9e2ed0$6501a8c0@Notebook>

My choice has always been in a subdirectory of root.  To satisfy security
requirements I use the .php extension so even though the files are exposed
to the browser, they are still run on the server when directly queried.

The subdir provides a clean organization and an easy deployment with tools
like DreamWeaver.

Jim



From hans at nyphp.org  Thu Sep  4 10:01:51 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 10:01:51 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] quick regex question
Message-ID: <3F5745CF.1090405@nyphp.org>


Given:
 
$swipe = 'A405E,;095612813=1227?2003/08/20 10:51:15 4A4';

preg_match('/\;(.+)\=/s',$swipe,$match);

This fills $match as:

array(2) {
  [0]=>
  string(11) ";095612813="
  [1]=>
  string(9) "095612813"
}


Can I modify my subpattern somehow, so that only the second element of the array is returned?  I don't need the whole string, just the matched pattern itself (ie, I don't need the ';' and '=' chars in the result).

Hopefully I can get my work done and give my take on the fundamentals!  Thanks,

H



From sklar at sklar.com  Thu Sep  4 10:03:19 2003
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:03:19 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] quick regex question
In-Reply-To: <3F5745CF.1090405@nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJOECNGKAA.sklar@sklar.com>

preg_match() always returns the text that matched the entire pattern as the
first element of the $match array. So the only way to have a match array
that contains just the numbers that match your current parenthesized
subpattern is to have an entire pattern that matches just those numbers from
the string. Which I don't think you can do.

Why do you want to do this?

David

> Given:
>
> $swipe = 'A405E,;095612813=1227?2003/08/20 10:51:15 4A4';
>
> preg_match('/\;(.+)\=/s',$swipe,$match);
>
> This fills $match as:
>
> array(2) {
>   [0]=>
>   string(11) ";095612813="
>   [1]=>
>   string(9) "095612813"
> }
>
>
> Can I modify my subpattern somehow, so that only the second
> element of the array is returned?  I don't need the whole string,
> just the matched pattern itself (ie, I don't need the ';' and '='
> chars in the result).
>
> Hopefully I can get my work done and give my take on the
> fundamentals!  Thanks,
>
> H
>
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From sklar at sklar.com  Thu Sep  4 10:10:02 2003
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:10:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure
In-Reply-To: <002201c372d3$9534b070$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJGECOGKAA.sklar@sklar.com>

> FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure:  Where to Locate Includes?

I set things up like this:

Document root: /www/www.sitename.com/docroot
Includes:      /www/www.sitename.com/support

Individual pathnames and directory names, of course, don't really matter,
but it's important to locate includes outside of the document root. You can
configure your web server to not server include files based on extension or
parse include files as PHP based on extension, but then you're in trouble if
you ever have an include file with a different extension (on purpose, by
accident, because you edited one in-place with emacs and ended up with
foo.inc~, etc.)

Putting includes outside of the document root also lets you put other things
in that include directory: PHP scripts that run not as a response to
requests (cron jobs, other maintenance scripts, etc), other programs, data
files that aren't PHP, etc.

Dividing things like this makes it easier to group files into CVS modules
that are used for different purposes. For example, let's say things are
organized like this:

Document root: /www/www.sitename.com/docroot
Includes for database access: /www/www.sitename.com/support/db
Includes for site layout and formatting:
/www/www.sitename.com/support/layout
Scripts run by cron: /www/www.sitename.com/support/cron
Textfiles containing data feeds: /www/www.sitename.com/support/feeds

Each of these directories can be a separate CVS module. If you have a
machine that just needs to run cron scripts (which themselves need database
access), you can just check out (or export) the support/db and support/cron
modules on that machine instead of all the code. Other combinations can be
similarly modular. If everything is piled under the document root, you don't
have that kind of flexibility.

David



From hans at nyphp.org  Thu Sep  4 10:20:16 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 10:20:16 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] quick regex question
In-Reply-To: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJOECNGKAA.sklar@sklar.com>
References: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJOECNGKAA.sklar@sklar.com>
Message-ID: <3F574A20.9010703@nyphp.org>



David Sklar wrote:
> preg_match() always returns the text that matched the entire pattern as the
> first element of the $match array. So the only way to have a match array
> that contains just the numbers that match your current parenthesized
> subpattern is to have an entire pattern that matches just those numbers from
> the string. Which I don't think you can do.
> 
> Why do you want to do this?

That's a good question  :)  I guess I just want to be sure that the second element of the array will always be what I need.  I came across this in the PHP manual (

An assertion subpattern is matched in the normal way, except
     that  it  does not cause the current matching position to be
     changed. Lookahead assertions start with  (?=  for  positive
     assertions and (?! for negative assertions. For example,

       \w+(?=;)

     matches a word followed by a semicolon, but does not include
     the semicolon in the match, and

> 
> David
> 
> 
>>Given:
>>
>>$swipe = 'A405E,;095612813=1227?2003/08/20 10:51:15 4A4';
>>
>>preg_match('/\;(.+)\=/s',$swipe,$match);
>>
>>This fills $match as:
>>
>>array(2) {
>>  [0]=>
>>  string(11) ";095612813="
>>  [1]=>
>>  string(9) "095612813"
>>}
>>
>>
>>Can I modify my subpattern somehow, so that only the second
>>element of the array is returned?  I don't need the whole string,
>>just the matched pattern itself (ie, I don't need the ';' and '='
>>chars in the result).
>>
>>Hopefully I can get my work done and give my take on the
>>fundamentals!  Thanks,
>>
>>H
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>talk mailing list
>>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> 
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From hans at nyphp.org  Thu Sep  4 10:23:04 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 10:23:04 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] quick regex question
In-Reply-To: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJOECNGKAA.sklar@sklar.com>
References: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJOECNGKAA.sklar@sklar.com>
Message-ID: <3F574AC8.2030605@nyphp.org>


Shoot, sorry folks; Mozilla got a little too eager to send the message....

Anyway...

David Sklar wrote:
> preg_match() always returns the text that matched the entire pattern as the
> first element of the $match array. So the only way to have a match array
> that contains just the numbers that match your current parenthesized
> subpattern is to have an entire pattern that matches just those numbers from
> the string. Which I don't think you can do.
> 
> Why do you want to do this?

That's a good question  :)  I guess I just want to be sure that the second element of the array will always be what I need.  I came across this in the PHP manual (http://us3.php.net/manual/en/pcre.pattern.syntax.php):

"An assertion subpattern is matched in the normal way, except
that  it  does not cause the current matching position to be
changed. Lookahead assertions start with  (?=  for  positive
assertions and (?! for negative assertions. For example,

\w+(?=;)

matches a word followed by a semicolon, but does not include
the semicolon in the match, and...."

Which basically does what I need, although maybe for the wrong reasons.  As long as I can be sure the second array is the matched pattern, I have no problem with it.  Although, I for large strings I could see this behavior as annoying; ie, having the first element a 10k string that's always ignored.

H



From sklar at sklar.com  Thu Sep  4 10:17:31 2003
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:17:31 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] quick regex question
In-Reply-To: <3F574A20.9010703@nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJCECPGKAA.sklar@sklar.com>

> That's a good question  :)  I guess I just want to be sure that
> the second element of the array will always be what I need.  I
> came across this in the PHP manual (
>
> An assertion subpattern is matched in the normal way, except
>      that  it  does not cause the current matching position to be
>      changed. Lookahead assertions start with  (?=  for  positive
>      assertions and (?! for negative assertions. For example,
>
>        \w+(?=;)
>
>      matches a word followed by a semicolon, but does not include
>      the semicolon in the match, and

But even if you use an assertion, the assertion is still part of the entire
pattern that matches, so the stuff that matches the assertion will be part
of $match[0].


David



From dkrook at hotmail.com  Thu Sep  4 10:46:05 2003
From: dkrook at hotmail.com (D C Krook)
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 10:46:05 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure
Message-ID: <BAY2-F25clEWM3UnliD0001136d@hotmail.com>

My vote is for a directory under the web root, since it gives better 
flexibility to deploy code from machine to machine with a minimum of hassle, 
kind of like packaging a Java web application in a nice tidy WAR file that 
doesn't care about an absolutely mapped OS path.

Granted you keep your classes and beans in a protected "/WEB-INF" directory 
under this web root, but your standard includes stay in the publicly 
accessible web root.

I'm also a fan of naming the includes directory "/inc".  That way you have a 
set of directories whose contents are somewhat self evident based on their 
file extensions or calling tag name, e.g., standard.css goes in "/css", 
functions.js goes in "/js", images of all sorts go in "/img".

Another upshot to this naming convention is that you never worry about 
whether you called it "/include" or "/includes" or "/image" or "/images".

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From David.SextonJr at ubs.com  Thu Sep  4 10:47:04 2003
From: David.SextonJr at ubs.com (Sexton, David)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:47:04 -0400 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure
Message-ID: <18D7B8CAA5284F478470828806DB124603789F3B@psle01.xchg.pwj.com>

I try to keep all the includes in a central location that is not under the
web root. The reason is that it's easy to use components across multiple
sites and everything is easy to locate. I typically use a file naming
convention for the include files within that central directory to identify
which ones are site specific or general purpose or whatever the case may be.

I don't really feel that exposure is much of an issue because I haven't
heard of any vulnerabilities where a user can stop the server from parsing
the PHP code. I have, however, seen exploits on unpatched NT servers that
allow you to read any file on the target's filesystem using simple DOS
commands. SO, I guess if you're up to date on all your patches, security
concerns shouldn't influence anyone's decision to place includes in location
A rather the B.




-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff [mailto:jsiegel1 at optonline.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:59 AM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure


FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure:  Where to Locate Includes?

Index.php is always located in a website's document root, /var/www/html/
on 
a Linux box.
Where should includes be located?

Here are some possibilities:
* in the same directory, /var/www/html/
* in a subdirectory of document root, /var/www/html/includes/
* in a parallel directory to document root, /var/www/includes

What are the advantages and disadvantages of each possibility?
IN THE SAME DIRECTORY
* simple
* but confusing and cluttered if there are more than just a few
IN A SUBDIRECTORY
* provides a logical place for them
* but exposes them to browsers
IN A PARALLEL DIRECTORY
* provides a logical place for them
* doesn't expose them to browsers
* but perhaps write privileges are not available (or needed?)

What does exposure matter?
If the include file contains html, it will be visible in the calling
file's 
source code.
If it contains php code (like a database connection), it will never be 
visible anyway.

Are there important principles here, or is location just a matter of 
preference?

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From sklar at sklar.com  Thu Sep  4 10:54:44 2003
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:54:44 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure
In-Reply-To: <18D7B8CAA5284F478470828806DB124603789F3B@psle01.xchg.pwj.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJOEDAGKAA.sklar@sklar.com>

> SO, I guess if you're up to
> date on all your patches, security concerns shouldn't influence
> anyone's decision to place includes in location A rather the B.

Being "up to date on all your patches" is a theoretical goal state never
achieved in practice for any signficant length of time. Even if you think
you've installed all of the currently available and relevant patches for all
of the software running on your web server, your database server, your VPN
server, your firewall, your dialup server, your employee desktops, your
coffee maker, and your pet hamster, new vulnerabilities will be discovered
and new patches released.

Security concerns should definitely influence how you organize your site.
Running Apache and/or MySQL in a chroot jail, for example, is still a good
idea even for the patch-vigilant.

David



From shiflett at php.net  Thu Sep  4 11:09:29 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 08:09:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F25clEWM3UnliD0001136d@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20030904150929.68148.qmail@web14308.mail.yahoo.com>

--- D C Krook <dkrook at hotmail.com> wrote:
> My vote is for a directory under the web root, since it gives
> better flexibility to deploy code from machine to machine with
> a minimum of hassle

I'd be curious to see a poll on this topic now. It seems that the majority of
people who have responded to this question consider a security risk an
acceptable price to pay for a small convenience.

I guess the answers could break down into three categories:

1. I place my includes under document root for convenience, and I'm not aware
of any problems that could cause.
2. I understand the risk in doing so, but I still place my includes under
document root.
3. I place my includes outside of document root. It is a simple task, and it is
at least more secure than doing otherwise.

I am seeing a lot of people who fit into category 2. Does the convenience
really seem worth the risk? I'm honestly curious - not trying to be a smart
ass. :-)

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From David.SextonJr at ubs.com  Thu Sep  4 11:10:02 2003
From: David.SextonJr at ubs.com (Sexton, David)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:10:02 -0400 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure
Message-ID: <18D7B8CAA5284F478470828806DB124603789F3C@psle01.xchg.pwj.com>

True. I guess it's actually a moot point since we're talking about security
in general. Whether you place your files in one directory or another... if
someone gains significant access to the box, you're exposed. Then again,
someone gaining FTP access using brute force could download the PHP source
code if it's in a readable directory, and considering many hosts grant FTP
access to your webroot, it would be safer to place the files somewhere else.

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Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:55 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure


> SO, I guess if you're up to
> date on all your patches, security concerns shouldn't influence
> anyone's decision to place includes in location A rather the B.

Being "up to date on all your patches" is a theoretical goal state never
achieved in practice for any signficant length of time. Even if you think
you've installed all of the currently available and relevant patches for all
of the software running on your web server, your database server, your VPN
server, your firewall, your dialup server, your employee desktops, your
coffee maker, and your pet hamster, new vulnerabilities will be discovered
and new patches released.

Security concerns should definitely influence how you organize your site.
Running Apache and/or MySQL in a chroot jail, for example, is still a good
idea even for the patch-vigilant.

David

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From fields at surgam.net  Thu Sep  4 11:23:09 2003
From: fields at surgam.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:23:09 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure
In-Reply-To: <20030904150929.68148.qmail@web14308.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <BAY2-F25clEWM3UnliD0001136d@hotmail.com>
	<20030904150929.68148.qmail@web14308.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030904152309.GA8196@eye.surgam.net>

On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 08:09:29AM -0700, Chris Shiflett wrote:
> I guess the answers could break down into three categories:
> 
> 1. I place my includes under document root for convenience, and I'm not aware
> of any problems that could cause.
> 2. I understand the risk in doing so, but I still place my includes under
> document root.
> 3. I place my includes outside of document root. It is a simple task, and it is
> at least more secure than doing otherwise.

I typically name my includes with .inc extensions and set Apache to
not serve those files directly. This is both relatively convenient and
relatively secure.

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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Thu Sep  4 11:20:33 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:20:33 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure
References: <20030904150929.68148.qmail@web14308.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <009801c372f8$159359a0$6400a8c0@thinkpad>

i find it kinda odd that the only advise suggested on the topic in Security
Focus's "Securing PHP" is to simply make the includes + classes w/ the same
mime-type as a php app:

http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1706

-snip-
AddModule mod_php4.c
AddType application/x-httpd-php .php
AddType application/x-httpd-php .inc
AddType application/x-httpd-php .class


It is worth to note that besides "*.php", two extensions have been added as
PHP scripts: "*.inc" and "*.class". Programmers often include additional
files, with an extension like "*.inc", "*.class" or similar. Because by
default those extensions are treated as regular files, the requests to
download them will reveal the source code comprised in them. This can lead
to revealing passwords or other sensitive information.

-snip-

- jon

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fingerprint: F438 A47E C45E 8B27 F68C 1F9B 41DB DB8B 9A0C AF47



From fields at surgam.net  Thu Sep  4 11:51:25 2003
From: fields at surgam.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:51:25 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure
In-Reply-To: <18D7B8CAA5284F478470828806DB124603789F3C@psle01.xchg.pwj.com>
References: <18D7B8CAA5284F478470828806DB124603789F3C@psle01.xchg.pwj.com>
Message-ID: <20030904155125.GC8196@eye.surgam.net>

On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 11:10:02AM -0400, Sexton, David wrote:
> True. I guess it's actually a moot point since we're talking about security
> in general. Whether you place your files in one directory or another... if
> someone gains significant access to the box, you're exposed. Then again,
> someone gaining FTP access using brute force could download the PHP source
> code if it's in a readable directory, and considering many hosts grant FTP
> access to your webroot, it would be safer to place the files somewhere else.

If you use FTP, you're asking to be hacked anyway. Use SFTP, SCP, or
WebDAV over SSL (this last is my preference for ease of use). Demand
this of your service providers.

-- 
				- Adam

-----
Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
http://www.adamfields.com


From hans at nyphp.org  Thu Sep  4 12:45:59 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 12:45:59 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure
In-Reply-To: <002201c372d3$9534b070$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
References: <002201c372d3$9534b070$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <3F576C47.50601@nyphp.org>



Jeff wrote:

> FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure:  Where to Locate Includes?
> 
> Index.php is always located in a website's document root, /var/www/html/
> on a Linux box.
> Where should includes be located?

Personally, I find it depends on my environment:

   -- dedicated server, application not intended for distribution (ie, an intranet, private e-commerce site):  /usr/local/lib/php

   -- any application intended for distribution, or working in a shared public server: inline with the document root, or a subdirectory thereof, depending on the number of files.


I always name my includes with the extension of .inc


> Here are some possibilities:
> * in the same directory, /var/www/html/
> * in a subdirectory of document root, /var/www/html/includes/
> * in a parallel directory to document root, /var/www/includes
> 
> What are the advantages and disadvantages of each possibility?
> IN THE SAME DIRECTORY
> * simple
> * but confusing and cluttered if there are more than just a few
> IN A SUBDIRECTORY
> * provides a logical place for them
> * but exposes them to browsers
> IN A PARALLEL DIRECTORY
> * provides a logical place for them
> * doesn't expose them to browsers
> * but perhaps write privileges are not available (or needed?)

Protecting from browser exposure has a couple of options as well.

  -- if the app is open source anyway, what do I care?  To protect sensitive information, I create a drop-in application.php file.  It's a single file, aware of all the needed params, containing configuration options, DB connections, etc, and either in a protected directory or parsed by php anyway.  It contains *no* logic except to determine where includes are, possibly bring a DB connection online, or to create other menial aspects of the app's environment.

  -- if the app's source shouldn't be open to the public, it'll be on a dedicated server anyway  :)  Then, you can do it right; setup a nice hierarchy outside of the web root (/usr/local/lib/php) and use an auto included application file (ie, auto.logic.inc).  I also sometimes set environment variables in the apache .conf file, with additional helper paths and so forth.  This is particularly helpful if you have many sister projects on a single vhost (ie, /reports has it's own include dir, automatically determined by an environment variable set in a <Directory> directive in httpd.conf).

> What does exposure matter?
> If the include file contains html, it will be visible in the calling
> file's source code.
> If it contains php code (like a database connection), it will never be 
> visible anyway.

One fallacy I've seen in using the extension .php for included files, as to limit their visibility, is that while the browser may not see any output, that file is still being executed.  So, if you have more than just functions or classes, bits and pieces of the app are running, which may be *much* worse than someone getting the DB password or looking at your code in some form.

> Are there important principles here, or is location just a matter of 
> preference?

I think it's most important to just be cognitive of where your files are, and of what types they are (executeable, or includeable).  I like .inc for included files, and .php for *real* php files (ie, those that are executed).

H



From radiox at go.ro  Thu Sep  4 12:57:53 2003
From: radiox at go.ro (X)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 17:57:53 +0100
Subject: [nycphp-talk] quick regex question
References: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJCECPGKAA.sklar@sklar.com>
Message-ID: <001201c37305$b121a9f0$62dc869f@x>

Please remove my e-mail address from all the mailing lists.

Thank you!



From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Thu Sep  4 13:52:07 2003
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 13:52:07 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure
References: <BAY2-F25clEWM3UnliD0001136d@hotmail.com><20030904150929.68148.qmail@web14308.mail.yahoo.com>
	<20030904152309.GA8196@eye.surgam.net>
Message-ID: <004001c3730d$4249d590$6501a8c0@Notebook>

I would agree to setting Apache to not serve .inc files except that I want
to maintain a consistent standard from one application to another.  I don't
have access to config Apache on many applications because the app runs on a
shared box.  Then there's when running under <gasp> IIS.  If I standardize
on the .inc extension protected via the web server then I need to have
knowledge of how to do it in all the various environments I may work in.
Standardizing on putting incudes in a subdir of the app root & using the
.php extension to protect those include files from direct download allows me
to work in most any php environment, no need to have access to Apache, no
need to have access to ftp outside the webroot, no need for knowledge of the
web server either.

This also allows me to work the same in PHP as I do in ASP.  Same standard,
different language.

So I would also say that I fall into the 2nd category of I know the risks
but consider the convenience a worthwhile compromise.

Knock on wood, but in 8 years of web app development ( mostly in ASP and
JSP ) I have yet to have an application hacked.  That may be mostly luck,
but I'ld like to think its partly due to the standards I've adopted.

Jim

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Fields" <fields at surgam.net>
To: <shiflett at php.net>; "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure


> On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 08:09:29AM -0700, Chris Shiflett wrote:
> > I guess the answers could break down into three categories:
> >
> > 1. I place my includes under document root for convenience, and I'm not
aware
> > of any problems that could cause.
> > 2. I understand the risk in doing so, but I still place my includes
under
> > document root.
> > 3. I place my includes outside of document root. It is a simple task,
and it is
> > at least more secure than doing otherwise.
>
> I typically name my includes with .inc extensions and set Apache to
> not serve those files directly. This is both relatively convenient and
> relatively secure.
>
> -- 
> - Adam
>
> -----
> Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
> Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
> delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
> http://www.adamfields.com
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>



From rsd at electronink.com  Thu Sep  4 14:01:21 2003
From: rsd at electronink.com (Russ Demarest)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:01:21 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure
In-Reply-To: <004001c3730d$4249d590$6501a8c0@Notebook>
Message-ID: <CA775A26-DF01-11D7-B04D-000A957E8754@electronink.com>

.htaccess can be set to not serve .inc files. Doesn't require getting 
into apache config.

Russ

On Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 01:52  PM, Jim Hendricks wrote:

> I would agree to setting Apache to not serve .inc files except that I 
> want
> to maintain a consistent standard from one application to another.  I 
> don't
> have access to config Apache on many applications because the app runs 
> on a
> shared box.  Then there's when running under <gasp> IIS.  If I 
> standardize
> on the .inc extension protected via the web server then I need to have
> knowledge of how to do it in all the various environments I may work 
> in.
> Standardizing on putting incudes in a subdir of the app root & using 
> the
> .php extension to protect those include files from direct download 
> allows me
> to work in most any php environment, no need to have access to Apache, 
> no
> need to have access to ftp outside the webroot, no need for knowledge 
> of the
> web server either.
>
> This also allows me to work the same in PHP as I do in ASP.  Same 
> standard,
> different language.
>
> So I would also say that I fall into the 2nd category of I know the 
> risks
> but consider the convenience a worthwhile compromise.
>
> Knock on wood, but in 8 years of web app development ( mostly in ASP 
> and
> JSP ) I have yet to have an application hacked.  That may be mostly 
> luck,
> but I'ld like to think its partly due to the standards I've adopted.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adam Fields" <fields at surgam.net>
> To: <shiflett at php.net>; "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 11:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure
>
>
>> On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 08:09:29AM -0700, Chris Shiflett wrote:
>>> I guess the answers could break down into three categories:
>>>
>>> 1. I place my includes under document root for convenience, and I'm 
>>> not
> aware
>>> of any problems that could cause.
>>> 2. I understand the risk in doing so, but I still place my includes
> under
>>> document root.
>>> 3. I place my includes outside of document root. It is a simple task,
> and it is
>>> at least more secure than doing otherwise.
>>
>> I typically name my includes with .inc extensions and set Apache to
>> not serve those files directly. This is both relatively convenient and
>> relatively secure.
>>
>> -- 
>> - Adam
>>
>> -----
>> Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
>> Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
>> delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
>> http://www.adamfields.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> talk mailing list
>> talk at lists.nyphp.org
>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>



From soazine at erols.com  Thu Sep  4 14:22:42 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:22:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How do I create a future date for a cookie?
Message-ID: <14d001c37311$8a807ae0$67a76244@philofsoa>

I'm using setcookie() that I want to set "permanently" (set it to like 100 years from now), but looking up both date() and mktime() honestly made no sense to me as to how to do it.

So, um, how do I do it?

Thanx
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From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Thu Sep  4 14:28:05 2003
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:28:05 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure
References: <CA775A26-DF01-11D7-B04D-000A957E8754@electronink.com>
Message-ID: <006301c37312$493261b0$6501a8c0@Notebook>

Yes, but still relies on apache specifics which means when running in IIS I
would have to handle securing .inc differently.  includes with .php in it's
own directory needs no special handling by different web servers and if the
subdir is named inc or include the purpose of the .php file is still known.

Jim

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russ Demarest" <rsd at electronink.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure


> .htaccess can be set to not serve .inc files. Doesn't require getting
> into apache config.
>
> Russ
>
> On Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 01:52  PM, Jim Hendricks wrote:
>
> > I would agree to setting Apache to not serve .inc files except that I
> > want
> > to maintain a consistent standard from one application to another.  I
> > don't
> > have access to config Apache on many applications because the app runs
> > on a
> > shared box.  Then there's when running under <gasp> IIS.  If I
> > standardize
> > on the .inc extension protected via the web server then I need to have
> > knowledge of how to do it in all the various environments I may work
> > in.
> > Standardizing on putting incudes in a subdir of the app root & using
> > the
> > .php extension to protect those include files from direct download
> > allows me
> > to work in most any php environment, no need to have access to Apache,
> > no
> > need to have access to ftp outside the webroot, no need for knowledge
> > of the
> > web server either.
> >
> > This also allows me to work the same in PHP as I do in ASP.  Same
> > standard,
> > different language.
> >
> > So I would also say that I fall into the 2nd category of I know the
> > risks
> > but consider the convenience a worthwhile compromise.
> >
> > Knock on wood, but in 8 years of web app development ( mostly in ASP
> > and
> > JSP ) I have yet to have an application hacked.  That may be mostly
> > luck,
> > but I'ld like to think its partly due to the standards I've adopted.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Adam Fields" <fields at surgam.net>
> > To: <shiflett at php.net>; "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 11:23 AM
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure
> >
> >
> >> On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 08:09:29AM -0700, Chris Shiflett wrote:
> >>> I guess the answers could break down into three categories:
> >>>
> >>> 1. I place my includes under document root for convenience, and I'm
> >>> not
> > aware
> >>> of any problems that could cause.
> >>> 2. I understand the risk in doing so, but I still place my includes
> > under
> >>> document root.
> >>> 3. I place my includes outside of document root. It is a simple task,
> > and it is
> >>> at least more secure than doing otherwise.
> >>
> >> I typically name my includes with .inc extensions and set Apache to
> >> not serve those files directly. This is both relatively convenient and
> >> relatively secure.
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> - Adam
> >>
> >> -----
> >> Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
> >> Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
> >> delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
> >> http://www.adamfields.com
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> talk mailing list
> >> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> >> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >>
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
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> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>



From David.SextonJr at ubs.com  Thu Sep  4 14:32:27 2003
From: David.SextonJr at ubs.com (Sexton, David)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 14:32:27 -0400 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure
Message-ID: <18D7B8CAA5284F478470828806DB124603789F3E@psle01.xchg.pwj.com>

So this looks like a wash... If you stop .inc files from being served raw
and exposing source code, you consequently cause them to execute as a "real"
.php file would. Placing .inc files in a locked down, parallel location
(without parsing them) sounds like the best solution to me (if you have that
option), but what are the downsides to executing included files? I guess it
depends on the code, but is there any significant performance degradation in
most instances? I'd make sure any third-party hosts are parsing .inc's
before placing them under webroot. That also makes the app less portable
since you can't be sure if you're moving to a server set up to parse inc's -
I mean it's portable, but you may be opening your app up to direct downloads
on a shared provider.

Another point in favor of .php extensions is that many editors have a PHP
template to make your code easier to read. I use Homesite and it does a
great job of highlighting the code if it's .php, but .inc is just plain old,
boring, hard to read text. Granted, you could config the editor to treat
.inc as .php, but why bother doing that if there is no other apparent
benefit to using .inc over .php?


-----Original Message-----
From: Russ Demarest [mailto:rsd at electronink.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 2:01 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure


.htaccess can be set to not serve .inc files. Doesn't require getting 
into apache config.

Russ

On Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 01:52  PM, Jim Hendricks wrote:

> I would agree to setting Apache to not serve .inc files except that I 
> want
> to maintain a consistent standard from one application to another.  I 
> don't
> have access to config Apache on many applications because the app runs 
> on a
> shared box.  Then there's when running under <gasp> IIS.  If I 
> standardize
> on the .inc extension protected via the web server then I need to have
> knowledge of how to do it in all the various environments I may work 
> in.
> Standardizing on putting incudes in a subdir of the app root & using 
> the
> .php extension to protect those include files from direct download 
> allows me
> to work in most any php environment, no need to have access to Apache, 
> no
> need to have access to ftp outside the webroot, no need for knowledge 
> of the
> web server either.
>
> This also allows me to work the same in PHP as I do in ASP.  Same 
> standard,
> different language.
>
> So I would also say that I fall into the 2nd category of I know the 
> risks
> but consider the convenience a worthwhile compromise.
>
> Knock on wood, but in 8 years of web app development ( mostly in ASP 
> and
> JSP ) I have yet to have an application hacked.  That may be mostly 
> luck,
> but I'ld like to think its partly due to the standards I've adopted.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adam Fields" <fields at surgam.net>
> To: <shiflett at php.net>; "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 11:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure
>
>
>> On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 08:09:29AM -0700, Chris Shiflett wrote:
>>> I guess the answers could break down into three categories:
>>>
>>> 1. I place my includes under document root for convenience, and I'm 
>>> not
> aware
>>> of any problems that could cause.
>>> 2. I understand the risk in doing so, but I still place my includes
> under
>>> document root.
>>> 3. I place my includes outside of document root. It is a simple task,
> and it is
>>> at least more secure than doing otherwise.
>>
>> I typically name my includes with .inc extensions and set Apache to
>> not serve those files directly. This is both relatively convenient and
>> relatively secure.
>>
>> -- 
>> - Adam
>>
>> -----
>> Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
>> Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
>> delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
>> http://www.adamfields.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> talk mailing list
>> talk at lists.nyphp.org
>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>

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From soazine at erols.com  Thu Sep  4 15:02:43 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 15:02:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How do I create a future date for a cookie?
References: <14d001c37311$8a807ae0$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <151701c37317$1f0529e0$67a76244@philofsoa>

well this is what I came up with, it's a kluge but it's the best I can think of:

setcookie('myCookie', $val, time() + (86400 * 36500)); // SET TO 100 YEARS FROM NOW

Phil

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Phil Powell 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 2:22 PM
  Subject: [nycphp-talk] How do I create a future date for a cookie?


  I'm using setcookie() that I want to set "permanently" (set it to like 100 years from now), but looking up both date() and mktime() honestly made no sense to me as to how to do it.

  So, um, how do I do it?

  Thanx
  Phil


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From sklar at sklar.com  Thu Sep  4 15:29:37 2003
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 15:29:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How do I create a future date for a cookie?
In-Reply-To: <151701c37317$1f0529e0$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJMEDLGKAA.sklar@sklar.com>

Note that many browsers won't deal well with an cookie whose expiration date
is after January 19, 2038 at 3:14:07 A.M. UTC (that's an epoch timestamp of
2147483647) since they store cookie expiration time in a 32 bit signed
integer. (The maximum positive value of a 32 bit signed int is 2147483647).

So, you may be better off with:

setcookie('myCookie',$val,2147483647);


David

On Thursday, September 04, 2003 3:03 PM, mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
wrote:

> well this is what I came up with, it's a kluge but it's the best I
> can think of:
>
> setcookie('myCookie', $val, time() + (86400 * 36500)); // SET TO 100
> YEARS FROM NOW
>
> Phil
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Phil Powell
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 2:22 PM
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] How do I create a future date for a cookie?
>
>
> I'm using setcookie() that I want to set "permanently" (set it to
> like 100 years from now), but looking up both date() and mktime()
> honestly made no sense to me as to how to do it.
>
> So, um, how do I do it?
>
> Thanx
> Phil
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From shiflett at php.net  Thu Sep  4 15:33:51 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 12:33:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How do I create a future date for a cookie?
In-Reply-To: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJMEDLGKAA.sklar@sklar.com>
Message-ID: <20030904193351.9602.qmail@web14308.mail.yahoo.com>

--- David Sklar <sklar at sklar.com> wrote:
> Note that many browsers won't deal well with an cookie whose
> expiration date is after January 19, 2038 at 3:14:07 A.M. UTC
> (that's an epoch timestamp of 2147483647) since they store cookie
> expiration time in a 32 bit signed integer. (The maximum positive
> value of a 32 bit signed int is 2147483647).
> 
> So, you may be better off with:
> 
> setcookie('myCookie',$val,2147483647);

That's a good point.

Also of note is that the cookie specification does not allow a cookie's
expiration date to be more than two years in the future, so a cookie should
never be allowed to persist for more than two years. I'm honestly not sure how
strictly this is implemented across the various browsers; maybe someone with
some free time can use David's code and test. :-)

Chris

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From psaw at pswebcode.com  Thu Sep  4 17:03:36 2003
From: psaw at pswebcode.com (pswebcode, nyc)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 17:03:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Force File Download HTTP Headers and IE Issue
In-Reply-To: <a06001a01bb7c28f5d435@[192.168.1.44]>
Message-ID: <001f01c37328$02b888c0$68e4a144@bronco>

An update on this topic:

I finally just set the content-type header to: application/zip

It works. It messes up the file name in the Save As... dialog, but it works.

Thank you all.

PSaw

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Marc Antony Vose
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 7:48 PM
To: shiflett at php.net; NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Force File Download HTTP Headers and IE Issue


>--- Marc Antony Vose <suzerain at suzerain.com> wrote:
>>  It's worth pointing out, I suppose, that to some systems (i.e.,  
>> classic Mac OS), once you tell the browser that a JPEG (or PDF in  
>> your case) is "application/octet-stream", it is no longer a JPEG  (or 
>> PDF).
>
>Can you explain that? I don't understand how it could matter after
>the resource
>has been downloaded and saved to the filesystem. Typically, the content
type
>described in the HTTP response is used by the HTTP client only.
>
>I'm certainly not arguing, but I'd like that explained further if you 
>are certain it is true.
>


Well, the whole file metadata thing is a huge can of worms.

So, before I say anything to explain, I'll say:  (1) This probably is 
only a problem in this instance with Classic Mac OS (meaning, prior 
to X).  Therefore, your amount of caring might be minimal.  I say, 
test it on every single browser you care about supporting, and if it 
works, then you've made your choice.

Anyway, the explanation is lengthy, and it's a hot debate in the Mac 
community right now, because Apple is (in a lot of people's minds) 
moving backwards by adopting the Windows/Unix file extension setup, 
instead of creating a more sophisticated file metadata architecture 
in the OS.

The way files are organized in Mac OS is that they have a data fork 
and a resource fork.  Unix and Windows systems don't have this, so 
generally when files from a Mac are put on a Web site, the resource 
fork is stripped.  (Mac OS X, by the way, can utilize the resource 
fork if present, and then has a backup mapping from the extension. 
This is a bit of an oversimplification, but it is pretty much 
accurate.)

Anyway, as Brian said earlier, "stupid Mac resource forks".  And, in 
this case, it sucks for the programmer, because it makes life more 
difficult if you choose to care about it.

Then again, it could be argued that calling a PDF an "octet-stream" 
just to get around file download limitations of the browser maybe 
isn't the best solution from the standpoint of interoperability and 
just "the way things ought to be done", so that everything is certain 
to work on future (as yet undesigned) systems, and so forth.

IMHO opinion, MIME types are there for a reason, and for the good of 
standards and interoperability, people should be sending out the 
proper MIME types with the file, instead of trying to fool the 
browser into doing something else.

So, if I was doing this project, my choice would probably be to ZIP 
the file, especially since ZIP files seem to be so pervasive these 
days that they are auto-extracted anyway. But, to each his/her own, 
and I am not meaning to be critical, or anything.

So, anyway, what most Mac browsers seemed to be doing (under OS 9 and 
earlier) is this:  If they received an octet stream (or a generic 
data stream), if they could determine the file type, they appeared to 
add a resource fork onto the file (sometimes) which allowed the OS to 
map the file properly.

However, many times, the file would just be downloaded and end up 
with the blank page icon which, when clicked, wouldn't open.  (I've 
specifically seen this problem with PDF files, by the way.)

Now, to get religious for a bit:

The main advantage of the resource fork becomes clear when you use a 
Mac on a daily basis.  The thing is, in Windows, if you double-click 
a JPG...any JPG...it opens with the program that's the default for 
opening JPEGs.  Obviously, this is silly, because you might want to 
have one JPEG associated with Photoshop and another associated with 
Preview, or whatever.  That's what the resource fork allows the OS to 
do:  separate the type of file from the creator of the file.

It also frees the user from stupidly having to have a file extension 
on every file.  So, you can just call your file "Letter to Bob 
Jones", rather than "Letter to Bob Jones.doc".  Just easier from a 
user's standpoint.

There was a lengthy article on ArsTechnica about this a while ago.

I have my own opinions on file metadata which I won't go into now.  ;)

Cheers,

Marc

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From soazine at erols.com  Thu Sep  4 17:04:11 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 17:04:11 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] header() produces 403 Forbidden
Message-ID: <159b01c37328$16d0bad0$67a76244@philofsoa>

 header("Location: http://$SERVER_NAME/index.php; target=\"top\"");

I am getting a 403 Forbidden upon running this script, which is not what I wanted.  Is there a way I can redirect, but at the same time redirect out of the frame that the redirection script is located to _top?  I don't want to have to rely on Javascript to do this as this is a foreign site (European) where Javascript is often turned off.

Thanks
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From soazine at erols.com  Thu Sep  4 17:20:45 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 17:20:45 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II
Message-ID: <15bc01c3732a$67c350e0$67a76244@philofsoa>

setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $uplinenumber); // SESSION COOKIE TO BE SET

I have this cookie I have to set that will be session-based (cookie deletes when browser session is closed, the classic).  However, the cookie is set in /Main_page/registrering.php so the path for the cookie is incorrect; I want the path to be '/'.  HOWEVER, PHP is strict on syntax so that if I set a path, I have to set a time int value at the same time.  

I want to set the path and NOT the time int.  How do I do that?

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From psaw at pswebcode.com  Thu Sep  4 17:24:31 2003
From: psaw at pswebcode.com (pswebcode, nyc)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 17:24:31 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II
In-Reply-To: <15bc01c3732a$67c350e0$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <002a01c3732a$eeb84420$68e4a144@bronco>

Setting the cookie time to some time in the past causes the cookie to expire
as soon as browser is closed, giving you what you want. No?

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Phil Powell
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 5:21 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II


setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $uplinenumber); // SESSION COOKIE TO BE
SET
 
I have this cookie I have to set that will be session-based (cookie deletes
when browser session is closed, the classic).  However, the cookie is set in
/Main_page/registrering.php so the path for the cookie is incorrect; I want
the path to be '/'.  HOWEVER, PHP is strict on syntax so that if I set a
path, I have to set a time int value at the same time.  
 
I want to set the path and NOT the time int.  How do I do that?
 
Phil

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From soazine at erols.com  Thu Sep  4 17:34:57 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 17:34:57 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II
References: <002a01c3732a$eeb84420$68e4a144@bronco>
Message-ID: <15fa01c3732c$63776470$67a76244@philofsoa>

MessageNo that deletes the cookie from what I understand instantly.. I want the cookie to exist but to exist under the browser session.  So I don't set any time at all, but I still have to set the path in spite of setting no time!

Phil
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: pswebcode, nyc 
  To: 'NYPHP Talk' 
  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 5:24 PM
  Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II


  Setting the cookie time to some time in the past causes the cookie to expire as soon as browser is closed, giving you what you want. No?
    -----Original Message-----
    From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Phil Powell
    Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 5:21 PM
    To: NYPHP Talk
    Subject: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II


    setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $uplinenumber); // SESSION COOKIE TO BE SET

    I have this cookie I have to set that will be session-based (cookie deletes when browser session is closed, the classic).  However, the cookie is set in /Main_page/registrering.php so the path for the cookie is incorrect; I want the path to be '/'.  HOWEVER, PHP is strict on syntax so that if I set a path, I have to set a time int value at the same time.  

    I want to set the path and NOT the time int.  How do I do that?

    Phil


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From pat at vote.com  Thu Sep  4 17:56:28 2003
From: pat at vote.com (Patrick Hunt)
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 17:56:28 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II
In-Reply-To: <15bc01c3732a$67c350e0$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <20030904215628.C46FBA85E6@virtu.nyphp.org>


set the expire time to zero.


--Original Message Text---
From: Phil Powell
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 17:20:45 -0400

setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $uplinenumber); // SESSION
COOKIE TO BE SET 
 
I have this cookie I have to set that will be session-based (cookie
deletes when browser session is closed, the classic).  However, the
cookie is set in /Main_page/registrering.php so the path for the
cookie is incorrect; I want the path to be '/'.  HOWEVER, PHP is
strict on syntax so that if I set a path, I have to set a time int
value at the same time.   
 
I want to set the path and NOT the time int.  How do I do that? 
 
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From shiflett at php.net  Thu Sep  4 18:12:24 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 15:12:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II
In-Reply-To: <15fa01c3732c$63776470$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <20030904221224.71474.qmail@web14309.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Phil Powell <soazine at erols.com> wrote:
> MessageNo that deletes the cookie from what I understand instantly.

If you do not set an expiration time, it makes the cookie a session cookie, so
it persists in the browser session only and is not written to disk.

> So I don't set any time at all, but I still have to set the path in
> spite of setting no time!

header("Set-Cookie: nordicnet_registration=$uplinenumber");

Hope that helps.

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From soazine at erols.com  Thu Sep  4 18:14:31 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 18:14:31 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II
References: <20030904221224.71474.qmail@web14309.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <167601c37331$ea6f4ba0$67a76244@philofsoa>

Thanx for the header() tip, however, I noticed that the path is not set and
it will have to be as the cookie is being set within
/Main_page/registrering.php which will set the path to "/Main_page" instead
of "/" which is what I want.  How do I notate that?

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Shiflett" <shiflett at php.net>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>; <psaw at pswebcode.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II


> --- Phil Powell <soazine at erols.com> wrote:
> > MessageNo that deletes the cookie from what I understand instantly.
>
> If you do not set an expiration time, it makes the cookie a session
cookie, so
> it persists in the browser session only and is not written to disk.
>
> > So I don't set any time at all, but I still have to set the path in
> > spite of setting no time!
>
> header("Set-Cookie: nordicnet_registration=$uplinenumber");
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Chris
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From soazine at erols.com  Thu Sep  4 18:14:57 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 18:14:57 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II
References: <20030904215628.C46FBA85E6@virtu.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <168901c37331$fa0e51a0$67a76244@philofsoa>

That does not work either, it sets the cookie onto disk and instantly deletes it.

Phil
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Patrick Hunt 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 5:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II



  set the expire time to zero.


  --Original Message Text---
  From: Phil Powell
  Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 17:20:45 -0400

  setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $uplinenumber); // SESSION COOKIE TO BE SET 

  I have this cookie I have to set that will be session-based (cookie deletes when browser session is closed, the classic). However, the cookie is set in /Main_page/registrering.php so the path for the cookie is incorrect; I want the path to be '/'. HOWEVER, PHP is strict on syntax so that if I set a path, I have to set a time int value at the same time. 

  I want to set the path and NOT the time int. How do I do that? 

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From shiflett at php.net  Thu Sep  4 18:21:28 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 15:21:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II
In-Reply-To: <167601c37331$ea6f4ba0$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <20030904222128.10303.qmail@web14306.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Phil Powell <soazine at erols.com> wrote:
> Thanx for the header() tip, however, I noticed that the path is
> not set and it will have to be as the cookie is being set within
> /Main_page/registrering.php which will set the path to "/Main_page"
> instead of "/" which is what I want.  How do I notate that?

This should do it:

header("Set-Cookie: nordicnet_registration=$uplinenumber; path=/Main_page/");

Hope that helps.

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From shiflett at php.net  Thu Sep  4 18:26:58 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 15:26:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II
In-Reply-To: <169901c37333$1a3c4670$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <20030904222658.94486.qmail@web14311.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Phil Powell <soazine at erols.com> wrote:
> In my case it would be:
> 
>  header("Set-Cookie: nordicnet_registration=$uplinenumber; path=/");

Then the path is superfluous, and my original example was right. :-)

Aside from name and value, cookie attributes are restrictive. Having path set
to / is no more restrictive than not including the path attribute.

Hope that helps.

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From wfan at encogent.com  Thu Sep  4 18:28:22 2003
From: wfan at encogent.com (Wellington Fan)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 18:28:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II
In-Reply-To: <168901c37331$fa0e51a0$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <NGBBIDLNCJJKIBJPNEHEOEGEEBAA.wfan@encogent.com>

Phil,

>From the setcookie page:

You may also replace any argument with an empty string ("") in order to skip
that argument.

the full signature (most of the parameters are optional ):
setcookie ( name , value , expire, path , domain , secure )

your call:
setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $uplinenumber, "", "/" );

Try that -- I'm guessing it will work.

--
Wellington

  -----Original Message-----
  From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On
Behalf Of Phil Powell
  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:15 PM
  To: NYPHP Talk
  Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II


  That does not work either, it sets the cookie onto disk and instantly
deletes it.

  Phil
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Patrick Hunt
    To: NYPHP Talk
    Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 5:56 PM
    Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II



    set the expire time to zero.


    --Original Message Text---
    From: Phil Powell
    Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 17:20:45 -0400

    setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $uplinenumber); // SESSION COOKIE TO
BE SET

    I have this cookie I have to set that will be session-based (cookie
deletes when browser session is closed, the classic). However, the cookie is
set in /Main_page/registrering.php so the path for the cookie is incorrect;
I want the path to be '/'. HOWEVER, PHP is strict on syntax so that if I set
a path, I have to set a time int value at the same time.

    I want to set the path and NOT the time int. How do I do that?

    Phil





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From soazine at erols.com  Thu Sep  4 18:33:43 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 18:33:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II
References: <NGBBIDLNCJJKIBJPNEHEOEGEEBAA.wfan@encogent.com>
Message-ID: <16cd01c37334$98e935e0$67a76244@philofsoa>

Yeah I tried that and got a parse error statement expected integer on the setcookie() line.  I guess when it says [int expire] they MEAN int! :(

Phil
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Wellington Fan 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:28 PM
  Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II


  Phil,

  From the setcookie page:

  You may also replace any argument with an empty string ("") in order to skip that argument.  

  the full signature (most of the parameters are optional ):
  setcookie ( name , value , expire, path , domain , secure )

  your call:
  setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $uplinenumber, "", "/" ); 

  Try that -- I'm guessing it will work.

  --
  Wellington

    -----Original Message-----
    From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Phil Powell
    Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:15 PM
    To: NYPHP Talk
    Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II


    That does not work either, it sets the cookie onto disk and instantly deletes it.

    Phil
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Patrick Hunt 
      To: NYPHP Talk 
      Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 5:56 PM
      Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II



      set the expire time to zero.


      --Original Message Text---
      From: Phil Powell
      Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 17:20:45 -0400

      setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $uplinenumber); // SESSION COOKIE TO BE SET 

      I have this cookie I have to set that will be session-based (cookie deletes when browser session is closed, the classic). However, the cookie is set in /Main_page/registrering.php so the path for the cookie is incorrect; I want the path to be '/'. HOWEVER, PHP is strict on syntax so that if I set a path, I have to set a time int value at the same time. 

      I want to set the path and NOT the time int. How do I do that? 

      Phil 





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From wfan at encogent.com  Thu Sep  4 18:40:42 2003
From: wfan at encogent.com (Wellington Fan)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 18:40:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II
In-Reply-To: <16cd01c37334$98e935e0$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <NGBBIDLNCJJKIBJPNEHEMEGFEBAA.wfan@encogent.com>

hahaha! serves me right for not reading THE VERY NEXT LINE:
"The expire and secure arguments are integers and cannot be skipped with an
empty string. Use a zero (0) instead"

so try this:
setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $uplinenumber, 0, "/" );
  -----Original Message-----
  From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On
Behalf Of Phil Powell
  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:34 PM
  To: NYPHP Talk
  Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II


  Yeah I tried that and got a parse error statement expected integer on the
setcookie() line.  I guess when it says [int expire] they MEAN int! :(

  Phil
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Wellington Fan
    To: NYPHP Talk
    Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:28 PM
    Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II


    Phil,

    From the setcookie page:

    You may also replace any argument with an empty string ("") in order to
skip that argument.

    the full signature (most of the parameters are optional ):
    setcookie ( name , value , expire, path , domain , secure )

    your call:
    setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $uplinenumber, "", "/" );

    Try that -- I'm guessing it will work.

    --
    Wellington

      -----Original Message-----
      From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Phil Powell
      Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:15 PM
      To: NYPHP Talk
      Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II


      That does not work either, it sets the cookie onto disk and instantly
deletes it.

      Phil
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Patrick Hunt
        To: NYPHP Talk
        Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 5:56 PM
        Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II



        set the expire time to zero.


        --Original Message Text---
        From: Phil Powell
        Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 17:20:45 -0400

        setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $uplinenumber); // SESSION
COOKIE TO BE SET

        I have this cookie I have to set that will be session-based (cookie
deletes when browser session is closed, the classic). However, the cookie is
set in /Main_page/registrering.php so the path for the cookie is incorrect;
I want the path to be '/'. HOWEVER, PHP is strict on syntax so that if I set
a path, I have to set a time int value at the same time.

        I want to set the path and NOT the time int. How do I do that?

        Phil





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From dan at mx2pro.com  Thu Sep  4 19:33:22 2003
From: dan at mx2pro.com (Dan Horning)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 19:33:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] header() produces 403 Forbidden
In-Reply-To: <159b01c37328$16d0bad0$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <001001c3733c$ef92c070$f2c8f63f@dwchome>

the answer is no...
 
but
http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.header.php
 
at any rate... all this info ... the location header does not cause a
redirect to a specific target
you might just want to create a javascript page that says "in case your
browser does not redirect you Click Here"
 
although they turn javascript off .. those same people might be used to
seeing that kind of page
 
 
-dan

14.30 Location 


The Location response-header field is used to redirect the recipient to
a location other than the Request-URI for completion of the request or
identification of a new resource. For 201 (Created) responses, the
Location is that of the new resource which was created by the request.
For 3xx responses, the location SHOULD indicate the server's preferred
URI for automatic redirection to the resource. The field value consists
of a single absolute URI. 

       Location       = "Location" ":" absoluteURI



An example is: 

       Location: http://www.w3.org/pub/WWW/People.html


      Note: The Content-Location header field (section 14.14) differs

      from Location in that the Content-Location identifies the original

      location of the entity enclosed in the request. It is therefore

      possible for a response to contain header fields for both Location

      and Content-Location. Also see section 13.10
<http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec13.html#sec13.10>  for
cache

      requirements of some methods.


 
 

- Dan Horning
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-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Phil Powell
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 5:04 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] header() produces 403 Forbidden


 header("Location: http://$SERVER_NAME/index.php; target=\"top\"");
 
I am getting a 403 Forbidden upon running this script, which is not what
I wanted.  Is there a way I can redirect, but at the same time redirect
out of the frame that the redirection script is located to _top?  I
don't want to have to rely on Javascript to do this as this is a foreign
site (European) where Javascript is often turned off.
 
Thanks
Phil

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From soazine at erols.com  Thu Sep  4 22:23:50 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 22:23:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] header() produces 403 Forbidden
References: <001001c3733c$ef92c070$f2c8f63f@dwchome>
Message-ID: <178101c37354$bf37fb30$67a76244@philofsoa>

MessageYep, I wound up using some text instead with a link with target=_top.  So they have to do it manually.  That sucks.

Phil
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dan Horning 
  To: 'NYPHP Talk' 
  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 7:33 PM
  Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] header() produces 403 Forbidden


  the answer is no...

  but
  http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.header.php

  at any rate... all this info ... the location header does not cause a redirect to a specific target
  you might just want to create a javascript page that says "in case your browser does not redirect you Click Here"

  although they turn javascript off .. those same people might be used to seeing that kind of page


  -dan
  14.30 Location 
  The Location response-header field is used to redirect the recipient to a location other than the Request-URI for completion of the request or identification of a new resource. For 201 (Created) responses, the Location is that of the new resource which was created by the request. For 3xx responses, the location SHOULD indicate the server's preferred URI for automatic redirection to the resource. The field value consists of a single absolute URI. 

       Location       = "Location" ":" absoluteURI
An example is: 

       Location: http://www.w3.org/pub/WWW/People.html
      Note: The Content-Location header field (section 14.14) differs
      from Location in that the Content-Location identifies the original
      location of the entity enclosed in the request. It is therefore
      possible for a response to contain header fields for both Location
      and Content-Location. Also see section 13.10 for cache
      requirements of some methods.
 
  - Dan Horning
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    -----Original Message-----
    From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Phil Powell
    Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 5:04 PM
    To: NYPHP Talk
    Subject: [nycphp-talk] header() produces 403 Forbidden


     header("Location: http://$SERVER_NAME/index.php; target=\"top\"");

    I am getting a 403 Forbidden upon running this script, which is not what I wanted.  Is there a way I can redirect, but at the same time redirect out of the frame that the redirection script is located to _top?  I don't want to have to rely on Javascript to do this as this is a foreign site (European) where Javascript is often turned off.

    Thanks
    Phil


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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Fri Sep  5 00:18:01 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 00:18:01 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure
In-Reply-To: <002201c372d3$9534b070$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
References: <002201c372d3$9534b070$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <20030905041801.GA11614@panix.com>

Hey Folks:

Quick response, since I'm busy...  Most of my operations are on shared
hosts and I do all of my development on my office machine.  Here's how I
configure.

There are two include directories.  One on the web server for unimportant
stuff.  One in the home directory.  PHP scripts that need access to the
secure files in the home directory are run in CGI mode.

Here's a quick listing of some sample files and their contents...

vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

WEBSERVER
/htdocs/username/.htaccess
    DirectoryIndex index.php

    AddType application/x-httpd-php .inc

    <Files *htaccess>
    Deny from all
    </Files>

    <Files *inc>
    Deny from all
    </Files>

/htdocs/username/index.php
    include('./directory.inc');
    include("$IncludeDir/inc-user.inc");

/htdocs/username/directory.inc
    $IncludeDir = './include';

/htdocs/username/include/index.php
    <p>Go Away!</p>

/htdocs/username/include/<unimportant include files go here, such as...>
/htdocs/username/include/inc-user.inc
    #  This makes the deployment portable!
    switch ($_SERVER['SERVER_NAME']) {
        case 'analysisandsolutions.localhost':
            $SafeIncludeDir = 'x:/blah/foo';
            break;

        default:
            $SafeIncludeDir = '/users/username/include';
    }

    include("$SafeIncludeDir/the.secure.settings.inc");

    include("$IncludeDir/some.open.source.script.inc");


USERHOST
/users/username/include/<secure files go here, such as...>
/users/username/include/the.secure.settings.inc
    $UserName = 'canyou';
    $Password = 'guess!';

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Enjoy,

--Dan

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From soazine at erols.com  Fri Sep  5 00:54:53 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 00:54:53 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How can I be prompted for Windows Authentication w/o
	.htaccess?
Message-ID: <002e01c37369$d84867d0$67a76244@philofsoa>

I have a folder that requires Windows Authentication each time it is access.  The remote system is Linux.  However, there is no sign of .htaccess nor .htpasswd as I understand a UNIX-based system to have to prompt for Windows Authentication, yet each time I am always prompted, even if I call the folder directly w/o calling a specific file in that folder (this all done via the browser).

Anyone there run into this and know what I should do about it?

Thanx
Phil
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From dan at cain.sh  Fri Sep  5 01:32:15 2003
From: dan at cain.sh (Daniel J Cain Jr.)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 00:32:15 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure
In-Reply-To: <20030904150929.68148.qmail@web14308.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030904150929.68148.qmail@web14308.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1062739935.220.88.camel@gigabeast.home.cain.sh>

On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 10:09, Chris Shiflett wrote:

<snip />

> 3. I place my includes outside of document root. It is a simple task, and it is
> at least more secure than doing otherwise.

It's been a long day, so please forgive me if it is too incoherent.

I prefer number 3, supporting files held outside the web directory.  If
this option is not available, and the supporting files are IN the web
directory I don't allow them to be accessed via a web browser.

This snippet of the logic I put in the beginning of each file I want
protected:

if($_SERVER['PHP_SELF'] == basename(__FILE__)) {
    header('Location: http://whereverIwanttoSendTheBadGuy.com');
    exit();
}

This will allow it to be included but will not allow it to be accessed
by a browser.  You could use whatever code you wanted if it was accessed
directly vs. inclusion from a legit script (verbose logging, take away
their birthday, etc.).

I also don't believe in the .inc, .class extensions for supporting
files.  I don't recall the bias origin but it was an article I read four
years ago that convinced me.  One plus is that everything is .php so one
less dependency on specific configuration options(config file "cleaned
up" by an overzealous admin at 3AM).

I try to keep things portable and under one directory on systems I can
have access to a dir outside a web directory.  Which works well with
multiple developers using CVS(once you get used to using CVS that is ;)
) to have a production site and multiple development sites keep
completely isolated code bases.  So along the lines of:

Production
==========
/usr/local/www/projectname   <-- Main directory of this project
/usr/local/www/projectname/htdocs   <-- web directory
/usr/local/www/projectname/classes   <-- class definitions dir
/usr/local/www/projectname/etc        <-- config files, etc.
/usr/local/www/projectname/libs       <-- function definitions dir

Development Area One
====================
/usr/home/dev1/projectname   <-- Main directory of this project
/usr/home/dev1/projectname/htdocs   <-- web directory
/usr/home/dev1/projectname/classes   <-- class definitions dir
/usr/home/dev1/projectname/etc        <-- config files, etc.
/usr/home/dev1/projectname/libs       <-- function definitions dir

An auto-prepend file modifies the include path so the site code uses
require_once('libs/housekeeping.php').  It also sets up an
ini_set('unserialize_callback_func','require_class') that handles
pulling in object definitions if the session contains an unknown object
in the require_class() user function.  Which grants the site code the
ability to require_class('user') that pulls in the "user" class
definition like a require_once would (by first seeing if the
class_exists() else require_once() the object definition file).

Almost all of my projects have been created on servers that I had root
access on, or known the admin of the box.  So I definitely do get into
some of the apache/httpd.conf stuff to tweak PHP settings and virtual
hosts.



From bpang at bpang.com  Fri Sep  5 10:08:30 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 10:08:30 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How can I be prompted for Windows Authentication
	w/o	.htaccess?
Message-ID: <E19vHGI-0007lP-CJ@rslrs1-server.com>

maybe it's in the parent directory?
if it is, it would apply recursively.


> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> 
> 
> I have a folder that requires Windows Authentication each time it is
access.  The remote system is Linux.  However, there is no sign of
.htaccess nor .htpasswd as I understand a UNIX-based system to have to
prompt for Windows Authentication, yet each time I am always prompted,
even if I call the folder directly w/o calling a specific file in that
folder (this all done via the browser).
> 
> Anyone there run into this and know what I should do about it?
> 
> Thanx
> Phil
> 





From bpang at bpang.com  Fri Sep  5 10:41:18 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 10:41:18 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How do I create a future date for a cookie?
Message-ID: <E19vHm2-0002F2-Sr@rslrs1-server.com>

what's so kludgey about this, Phil?

I'm actually curious why you want it set soooo far into the future?

I usually only set it for 3 months on the long end.

It's highly unlikely that your site will still exist in its current form
in 100 years from now, let alone 2 or 3. Of course, you can always be
optimistic. :)

I don't know of any date limitations since I never look ahead that far
(cookies, life, coding, etc), so I would go by tbe guidance of others
regarding the 2038 date.



> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> 
> 
> well this is what I came up with, it's a kluge but it's the best I can
think of:
> 
> setcookie('myCookie', $val, time() + (86400 * 36500)); // SET TO 100
YEARS FROM NOW
> 
> Phil
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Phil Powell 
>   To: NYPHP Talk 
>   Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 2:22 PM
>   Subject: [nycphp-talk] How do I create a future date for a cookie?
> 
> 
>   I'm using setcookie() that I want to set "permanently" (set it to
like 100 years from now), but looking up both date() and mktime()
honestly made no sense to me as to how to do it.
> 
>   So, um, how do I do it?
> 
>   Thanx
>   Phil
> 
> 
>
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From southwell at dneba.com  Fri Sep  5 10:45:41 2003
From: southwell at dneba.com (Michael Southwell)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 10:45:41 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] more on &$var in function
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030905104152.00b59218@mail.optonline.net>

Thanks for responses to my question about the need for global $var within a 
function whose parameter is &$var (unnecessary; function is operating 
directly on the original because of the &).

Now this raises another question.  Given the above, in those cases where a 
function is intended to operate on a global variable--and only those cases, 
why wouldn't you *always* define the parameter with & instead of using a 
global statement?

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Bloomingdale, NJ 07403-1419
973/492-7873 (voice and fax)
southwell at dneba.com
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From jlacey at ix.netcom.com  Fri Sep  5 10:46:24 2003
From: jlacey at ix.netcom.com (John Lacey)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 08:46:24 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How do I create a future date for a cookie?
In-Reply-To: <E19vHm2-0002F2-Sr@rslrs1-server.com>
References: <E19vHm2-0002F2-Sr@rslrs1-server.com>
Message-ID: <3F58A1C0.7040006@ix.netcom.com>


dare I say that we will all expire before Phil's cookie?   :)



Brian Pang wrote:

>what's so kludgey about this, Phil?
>
>I'm actually curious why you want it set soooo far into the future?
>
>I usually only set it for 3 months on the long end.
>
>It's highly unlikely that your site will still exist in its current form
>in 100 years from now, let alone 2 or 3. Of course, you can always be
>optimistic. :)
>
>I don't know of any date limitations since I never look ahead that far
>(cookies, life, coding, etc), so I would go by tbe guidance of others
>regarding the 2038 date.
>
>
>
>  
>
>>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>>
>>
>>well this is what I came up with, it's a kluge but it's the best I can
>>    
>>
>think of:
>  
>
>>setcookie('myCookie', $val, time() + (86400 * 36500)); // SET TO 100
>>    
>>
>YEARS FROM NOW
>  
>
>>Phil
>>
>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  From: Phil Powell 
>>  To: NYPHP Talk 
>>  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 2:22 PM
>>  Subject: [nycphp-talk] How do I create a future date for a cookie?
>>
>>
>>  I'm using setcookie() that I want to set "permanently" (set it to
>>    
>>
>like 100 years from now), but looking up both date() and mktime()
>honestly made no sense to me as to how to do it.
>  
>
>>  So, um, how do I do it?
>>
>>  Thanx
>>  Phil
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
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From shiflett at php.net  Fri Sep  5 10:53:27 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 07:53:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] more on &$var in function
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030905104152.00b59218@mail.optonline.net>
Message-ID: <20030905145327.19397.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Michael Southwell <southwell at dneba.com> wrote:
> why wouldn't you *always* define the parameter with & instead of
> using a global statement?

Speaking personally, it depends on whether I think the parameter is closely
related to the function and how much data is already required to be passed in.
Imagine if you need to declare 50 global variables (hypothetically speaking).
If you had to pass these all in the function call, you would probably avoid
calling that function whenever possible. :-)

Chris

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From jeffknight at mac.com  Fri Sep  5 11:09:56 2003
From: jeffknight at mac.com (Jeff Knight)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 11:09:56 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] A Cautionary Tale & then a question...
Message-ID: <024DB13B-DFB3-11D7-BA7A-000393B9FB36@mac.com>

I recently had to move one of my php sites from one server to another 
and learned (once again) that not all php servers are the same (give me 
a break, I've had a hangover for about three days now (or is it 
four?)). One of the things that most attracted me to php after working 
with asp for so long was its lenience towards doing things on-the-fly 
without a lot of set up and declarations, etc. So I had some old code 
that worked on my 1st server:

	if ($_REQUEST['from']) {
		$from['rgb'] = $_REQUEST['from'];
	} else {
		$from['rgb'] = '000000';
	}
	if ($_REQUEST['to']) {
		$to['rgb'] = $_REQUEST['to'];
	} else {
		$to['rgb'] = 'FFFFFF';
	}
	
	echo "to: $to<BR>";
	echo "to[rgb]: {$to['rgb']}<BR>";
	
	echo "from: $from<BR>";
	echo "from[rgb]: {$from['rgb']}<BR>";

Which produced the output:
	to: Array
	to[rgb]: FFFFFF
	from: Array
	from[rgb]: 000000

When I moved the code to a new server, the results were:
	to: FFFFFF
	to[rgb]: F
	from: 4563456
	from[rgb]: 4

Of course, none of this was immediately obvious, since the code was 
inside a php script that generated a png and had no echo statements. Of 
course I should've originally said

	$from = array( 'rgb' => '000000');

But I'm lazy.

I am a little curious about what setting in php.ini allows this 
behavior on my (development) server though, since I suppose I should 
turn it off so it matches with the outside world.





Jeff Knight
jeff at lushmedia.com
212/213-6558 x 203
LUSH media
110 W 40th St #1502
New York, NY 10018



From csnyder at chxo.com  Fri Sep  5 11:16:26 2003
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 11:16:26 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] more on &$var in function
In-Reply-To: <20030905145327.19397.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030905145327.19397.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3F58A8CA.5060509@chxo.com>

Chris Shiflett wrote:

>--- Michael Southwell <southwell at dneba.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>why wouldn't you *always* define the parameter with & instead of
>>using a global statement?
>>    
>>
>
>Speaking personally, it depends on whether I think the parameter is closely
>related to the function and how much data is already required to be passed in.
>  
>

I agree-- if you have a function that updates a number of global objects 
or variables, you don't want to force yourself to list them all as 
arguments every time you call the function.

As a further note, I always use global statements in order to make 
objects available to the local scope, but for looking at or updating 
regular variables I tend to use the $GLOBALS array so that the local 
namespace doesn't get to crowded.

    csnyder



From bpang at bpang.com  Fri Sep  5 11:24:51 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 11:24:51 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] A Cautionary Tale & then a question...
Message-ID: <E19vISB-0005jb-ES@rslrs1-server.com>

did this
$from = array( 'rgb' => '000000');
fix it for you?

which version of PHP on the old/new servers?

I would have to guess that since you didn't initialize $to and $from as
arrays, they didn't get echo'ed as such.

that's at least for the typing issue. I'm not sure why the other results
came up the way they did, even without declaring the arrays.

A good reason to always initialize arrays before populating them.
either.
If you were going to be adding more entries to the same array, I would use
$foo = array()
and array_push()
rather than using $foo = array('key' => 'value')
each time
Wouldn't the latter re-initialize the array and wipe out old values?




> I recently had to move one of my php sites from one server to another 
> and learned (once again) that not all php servers are the same (give me 
> a break, I've had a hangover for about three days now (or is it 
> four?)). One of the things that most attracted me to php after working 
> with asp for so long was its lenience towards doing things on-the-fly 
> without a lot of set up and declarations, etc. So I had some old code 
> that worked on my 1st server:
> 
> 	if ($_REQUEST['from']) {
> 		$from['rgb'] = $_REQUEST['from'];
> 	} else {
> 		$from['rgb'] = '000000';
> 	}
> 	if ($_REQUEST['to']) {
> 		$to['rgb'] = $_REQUEST['to'];
> 	} else {
> 		$to['rgb'] = 'FFFFFF';
> 	}
> 	
> 	echo "to: $to<BR>";
> 	echo "to[rgb]: {$to['rgb']}<BR>";
> 	
> 	echo "from: $from<BR>";
> 	echo "from[rgb]: {$from['rgb']}<BR>";
> 
> Which produced the output:
> 	to: Array
> 	to[rgb]: FFFFFF
> 	from: Array
> 	from[rgb]: 000000
> 
> When I moved the code to a new server, the results were:
> 	to: FFFFFF
> 	to[rgb]: F
> 	from: 4563456
> 	from[rgb]: 4
> 
> Of course, none of this was immediately obvious, since the code was 
> inside a php script that generated a png and had no echo statements. Of 
> course I should've originally said
> 
> 	$from = array( 'rgb' => '000000');
> 
> But I'm lazy.
> 
> I am a little curious about what setting in php.ini allows this 
> behavior on my (development) server though, since I suppose I should 
> turn it off so it matches with the outside world.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Jeff Knight
> jeff at lushmedia.com
> 212/213-6558 x 203
> LUSH media
> 110 W 40th St #1502
> New York, NY 10018
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> 





From csnyder at chxo.com  Fri Sep  5 11:27:58 2003
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 11:27:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] A Cautionary Tale & then a question...
In-Reply-To: <024DB13B-DFB3-11D7-BA7A-000393B9FB36@mac.com>
References: <024DB13B-DFB3-11D7-BA7A-000393B9FB36@mac.com>
Message-ID: <3F58AB7E.50209@chxo.com>

If that's an "outside world" setup, I think I'm happy to stay in my own 
little self-contained niche where I can declare an array implicitly.
As far as I can tell, your original code would work on my servers.

Jeff Knight wrote:

> I am a little curious about what setting in php.ini allows this 
> behavior on my (development) server though, since I suppose I should 
> turn it off so it matches with the outside world.




From csnyder at chxo.com  Fri Sep  5 11:30:48 2003
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 11:30:48 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] A Cautionary Tale & then a question...
In-Reply-To: <024DB13B-DFB3-11D7-BA7A-000393B9FB36@mac.com>
References: <024DB13B-DFB3-11D7-BA7A-000393B9FB36@mac.com>
Message-ID: <3F58AC28.1090204@chxo.com>

Waitaminit!

What if the version of PHP on the new server didn't support $_REQUEST? 
And had register_globals turned on?
I think you might get those results, then, eh?


Jeff Knight wrote:

> I recently had to move one of my php sites from one server to another 
> and learned (once again) that not all php servers are the same (give 
> me a break, I've had a hangover for about three days now (or is it 
> four?)). One of the things that most attracted me to php after working 
> with asp for so long was its lenience towards doing things on-the-fly 
> without a lot of set up and declarations, etc. So I had some old code 
> that worked on my 1st server:
>
>     if ($_REQUEST['from']) {
>         $from['rgb'] = $_REQUEST['from'];
>     } else {
>         $from['rgb'] = '000000';
>     }
>     if ($_REQUEST['to']) {
>         $to['rgb'] = $_REQUEST['to'];
>     } else {
>         $to['rgb'] = 'FFFFFF';
>     }
>     
>     echo "to: $to<BR>";
>     echo "to[rgb]: {$to['rgb']}<BR>";
>     
>     echo "from: $from<BR>";
>     echo "from[rgb]: {$from['rgb']}<BR>";
>
> Which produced the output:
>     to: Array
>     to[rgb]: FFFFFF
>     from: Array
>     from[rgb]: 000000
>
> When I moved the code to a new server, the results were:
>     to: FFFFFF
>     to[rgb]: F
>     from: 4563456
>     from[rgb]: 4
>
> Of course, none of this was immediately obvious, since the code was 
> inside a php script that generated a png and had no echo statements. 
> Of course I should've originally said
>
>     $from = array( 'rgb' => '000000');
>
> But I'm lazy.
>
> I am a little curious about what setting in php.ini allows this 
> behavior on my (development) server though, since I suppose I should 
> turn it off so it matches with the outside world.
>
>
>
>
>
> Jeff Knight
> jeff at lushmedia.com
> 212/213-6558 x 203
> LUSH media
> 110 W 40th St #1502
> New York, NY 10018
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk




From jeffknight at mac.com  Fri Sep  5 11:40:20 2003
From: jeffknight at mac.com (Jeff Knight)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 11:40:20 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] A Cautionary Tale & then a question...
In-Reply-To: <3F58AC28.1090204@chxo.com>
Message-ID: <41AED082-DFB7-11D7-BA7A-000393B9FB36@mac.com>

On Friday, September 5, 2003, at 11:30  AM, Chris Snyder wrote:

> Waitaminit!
>
> What if the version of PHP on the new server didn't support $_REQUEST? 
> And had register_globals turned on?
> I think you might get those results, then, eh?
>

Since Hans is the administrator of the server, I highly doubt that that 
is the case.

On Friday, September 5, 2003, at 11:27  AM, Chris Snyder wrote:

> If that's an "outside world" setup, I think I'm happy to stay in my 
> own little self-contained niche where I can declare an array 
> implicitly.
> As far as I can tell, your original code would work on my servers.

Events will always conspire to ensure that you will eventually come to 
regret not maintaining portability. Machines get fried, ISP's go out of 
business, somebody somewhere spills a drink and BAM! you've got to do 
the little dance.

Jeff Knight
jeff at lushmedia.com
212/213-6558 x 203
LUSH media
110 W 40th St #1502
New York, NY 10018



From csnyder at chxo.com  Fri Sep  5 12:10:01 2003
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 12:10:01 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] A Cautionary Tale & then a question...
In-Reply-To: <41AED082-DFB7-11D7-BA7A-000393B9FB36@mac.com>
References: <41AED082-DFB7-11D7-BA7A-000393B9FB36@mac.com>
Message-ID: <3F58B559.4010904@chxo.com>

Jeff Knight wrote:

> On Friday, September 5, 2003, at 11:30  AM, Chris Snyder wrote:
>
>> What if the version of PHP on the new server didn't support 
>> $_REQUEST? And had register_globals turned on?
>> I think you might get those results, then, eh?
>>
Hmmm, the results aren't -exactly- the same, but tantalizingly close. 
Very curious.

original behavior: 
http://dev.nyphp.org/~csnyder/jktest.php?to=FFFFFF&from=4563456
new? behavior: 
http://dev.nyphp.org/~csnyder/jktest.php?to=FFFFFF&from=4563456&port=1

> When I moved the code to a new server, the results were:
>     to: FFFFFF
>     to[rgb]: F
>     from: 4563456
>     from[rgb]: 4 





From soazine at erols.com  Fri Sep  5 12:12:57 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 12:12:57 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How can I be prompted for Windows
	Authenticationw/o	.htaccess?
References: <E19vHGI-0007lP-CJ@rslrs1-server.com>
Message-ID: <022201c373c8$9211cf40$67a76244@philofsoa>

Between two of NYPHP's finest (Dan and Ian), we solved it by figuring out
how to finally delete .htaccess!

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Pang" <bpang at bpang.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] How can I be prompted for Windows
Authenticationw/o .htaccess?


> maybe it's in the parent directory?
> if it is, it would apply recursively.
>
>
> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> >
> >
> > I have a folder that requires Windows Authentication each time it is
> access.  The remote system is Linux.  However, there is no sign of
> .htaccess nor .htpasswd as I understand a UNIX-based system to have to
> prompt for Windows Authentication, yet each time I am always prompted,
> even if I call the folder directly w/o calling a specific file in that
> folder (this all done via the browser).
> >
> > Anyone there run into this and know what I should do about it?
> >
> > Thanx
> > Phil
> >
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From jeffknight at mac.com  Fri Sep  5 12:17:42 2003
From: jeffknight at mac.com (Jeff Knight)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 12:17:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] A Cautionary Tale & then a question...
In-Reply-To: <3F58B559.4010904@chxo.com>
Message-ID: <79FFBA36-DFBC-11D7-BA7A-000393B9FB36@mac.com>

Holy Smokes! register_globals is ON! That's what I get for assuming 
anything....



On Friday, September 5, 2003, at 12:10  PM, Chris Snyder wrote:

> Hmmm, the results aren't -exactly- the same, but tantalizingly close. 
> Very curious.
>



Jeff Knight
jeff at lushmedia.com
212/213-6558 x 203
LUSH media
110 W 40th St #1502
New York, NY 10018



From soazine at erols.com  Fri Sep  5 12:26:09 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 12:26:09 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mysql freakish error!
Message-ID: <026d01c373ca$6a4c7710$67a76244@philofsoa>

I have never in my life ever seen this happen, but I am doing a typical mySQL insert statement:

insert into nnet_usermetadata (
 ...
) values (
....
)

if (!mysql_query(sql)) { // DO STUFF}

the ID column field, nnet_userid, is an int auto-increment.

This is where I have never in my career seen this happen before.  The INSERT statement, upon execution, literally writes on top of another existing row, so instead of 5 or 6 rows I have only 1 row, same ID, values changed!

The way it works is that once a new user is pre-registered, their information is stored in the db, a cookie is set with their userID (the infamous permanent cookie) and then they're shown a screen w/ link to click to go to the next page.  They can then click onto the "Registrer" link and edit their pre-registration information based upon the cookie stored in their machine and submit.  Once submitted this time it updates their information instead of inserts.

I've checked my code and writing on top of an existing row should NOT happen unless a cookie is set on their machine with their userid.  In short, if I pre-register for the first time I should have a cookie with userid of 1.  If Sven pre-registers for the first time on HIS machine he should have a cookie with userid of 2.  and so on.  

So, uh, HELP!

Phil
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From shiflett at php.net  Fri Sep  5 13:31:09 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:31:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mysql freakish error!
In-Reply-To: <026d01c373ca$6a4c7710$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <20030905173109.15664.qmail@web14310.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Phil Powell <soazine at erols.com> wrote:
> I have never in my life ever seen this happen, but I am doing a typical
> mySQL insert statement:
> 
> insert into nnet_usermetadata (
>  ...
> ) values (
> ....
> )
> 
> if (!mysql_query(sql)) { // DO STUFF}
> 
> the ID column field, nnet_userid, is an int auto-increment.
> 
> This is where I have never in my career seen this happen before. The
> INSERT statement, upon execution, literally writes on top of another
> existing row, so instead of 5 or 6 rows I have only 1 row, same ID,
> values changed!

Show us some sample code. :-)

Chris

=====
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From soazine at erols.com  Fri Sep  5 13:33:22 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 13:33:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mysql freakish error!
References: <20030905173109.15664.qmail@web14310.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <031901c373d3$ce7fedd0$67a76244@philofsoa>

This is the mySQL insert statement:

INSERT INTO nnet_usermetadata (nnet_user_uplinenumber, nnet_user_firstname,
nnet_user_lastname, nnet_user_email, nnet_user_address1, nnet_user_address2,
nnet_user_city, nnet_user_zip_postal, nnet_user_country,
nnet_user_homephone, nnet_user_workphone, nnet_user_fax, nnet_user_isAdmin,
nnet_record_entered) values ('', 'Phil', 'Powell', 'soazine at erols.com',
'Ryttarsg?rdkyrkan', '', 'Link?ping', '', 'SWE', '011-571-437-4430', '', '',
'0', 'now()')

And here is the SQL that created the table in the first place:

#  TABLE TO CONTAIN FINESOCCER.COM REGISTERED (AND TO BE REGISTERED) USERS
AND THEIR METADATA
create table if not exists nnet_usermetadata (
 nnet_userid int not null auto_increment,
 primary key(nnet_userid),
 nnet_username varchar(255),
 nnet_password varchar(255),
 nnet_user_firstname varchar(255) not null,
 nnet_user_lastname varchar(255) not null,
 nnet_user_email varchar(255) not null,
 nnet_user_address1 varchar(255) not null,
 nnet_user_address2 varchar(50),
 nnet_user_city varchar(255) not null,
 nnet_user_state_province varchar(255),
 nnet_user_zip_postal varchar(20),
 nnet_user_country varchar(255),
 nnet_user_homephone varchar(50) not null,
 nnet_user_workphone varchar(50),
 nnet_user_fax varchar(50),
 nnet_user_uplinenumber int default 0,
 nnet_user_registrationnumber int default 0,
 nnet_user_isRegisteredFromHome varchar(1) default '0',
 nnet_user_ip varchar(15),
 nnet_user_isAdmin varchar(1) not null default '0',
 nnet_record_entered datetime default 'NOW()'
);

alter table nnet_usermetadata add index ix_nnet_username(nnet_username);
alter table nnet_usermetadata add index ix_nnet_password(nnet_password);
alter table nnet_usermetadata add index
ix_nnet_user_firstname(nnet_user_firstname);
alter table nnet_usermetadata add index
ix_nnet_user_lastname(nnet_user_lastname);
alter table nnet_usermetadata add index ix_nnet_user_email(nnet_user_email);
alter table nnet_usermetadata add index ix_nnet_city(nnet_user_city);
alter table nnet_usermetadata add index
ix_nnet_user_state_province(nnet_user_state_province);
alter table nnet_usermetadata add index
ix_nnet_user_zip_postal(nnet_user_zip_postal);
alter table nnet_usermetadata add index
ix_nnet_user_country(nnet_user_country);
alter table nnet_usermetadata add index
ix_nnet_user_uplinenumber(nnet_user_uplinenumber);
alter table nnet_usermetadata add index
ix_nnet_user_registrationnumber(nnet_user_registrationnumber);
alter table nnet_usermetadata add index
ix_nnet_user_isRegisteredFromHome(nnet_user_isRegisteredFromHome);
alter table nnet_usermetadata add index ix_nnet_user_ip(nnet_user_ip);

HTH

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Shiflett" <shiflett at php.net>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] mysql freakish error!


> --- Phil Powell <soazine at erols.com> wrote:
> > I have never in my life ever seen this happen, but I am doing a typical
> > mySQL insert statement:
> >
> > insert into nnet_usermetadata (
> >  ...
> > ) values (
> > ....
> > )
> >
> > if (!mysql_query(sql)) { // DO STUFF}
> >
> > the ID column field, nnet_userid, is an int auto-increment.
> >
> > This is where I have never in my career seen this happen before. The
> > INSERT statement, upon execution, literally writes on top of another
> > existing row, so instead of 5 or 6 rows I have only 1 row, same ID,
> > values changed!
>
> Show us some sample code. :-)
>
> Chris
>
> =====
> Become a better Web developer with the HTTP Developer's Handbook
> http://httphandbook.org/
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From shiflett at php.net  Fri Sep  5 13:49:49 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:49:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mysql freakish error!
In-Reply-To: <031901c373d3$ce7fedd0$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <20030905174949.22226.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Phil Powell <soazine at erols.com> wrote:
> This is the mySQL insert statement

And you got this by echoing your $sql variable or something from your script,
right? If not, that is something to try, just to make sure the query is exactly
what you think it is.

You can also not execute the query through PHP and just echo it instead. From
the MySQL interactive prompt, try to see if you can reproduce the problem by
entering the query yourself (copy/paste):

mysql> select foo from bar;
+-----+
| foo |
+-----+
|blah |
+-----+
1 row in set (0.00 sec)

mysql> insert into bar...
Query OK, 1 row affected (0.00 sec)

mysql> select foo from bar;
+-----+
| foo |
+-----+
|blah |
+-----+
1 row in set (0.00 sec)

> And here is the SQL that created the table in the first place

Can you show us the output of "desc nnet_usermetadata" as well? I think that
would be helpful.

I can't explain the behavior you described (yet).

Chris

=====
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From dan at cain.sh  Fri Sep  5 14:12:10 2003
From: dan at cain.sh (Daniel J Cain Jr.)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 13:12:10 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How do I create a future date for a cookie?
In-Reply-To: <14d001c37311$8a807ae0$67a76244@philofsoa>
References: <14d001c37311$8a807ae0$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <1062785530.220.100.camel@gigabeast.home.cain.sh>

A good function to use to obtain a future date is strtotime('+1 week 2
days 4 hours 2 seconds').  I have found it to be very useful and
extremely easy to use.

On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 13:22, Phil Powell wrote:
> I'm using setcookie() that I want to set "permanently" (set it to like
> 100 years from now), but looking up both date() and mktime() honestly
> made no sense to me as to how to do it.
>  
> So, um, how do I do it?
>  
> Thanx
> Phil
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From southwell at dneba.com  Fri Sep  5 14:14:13 2003
From: southwell at dneba.com (Michael Southwell)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 14:14:13 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] more on &$var in function
In-Reply-To: <3F58A8CA.5060509@chxo.com>
References: <20030905145327.19397.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com>
	<20030905145327.19397.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030905140927.00b42e88@mail.optonline.net>

At 11:16 AM 9/5/2003, you wrote:
>Chris Shiflett wrote:
>
>>--- Michael Southwell <southwell at dneba.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>why wouldn't you *always* define the parameter with & instead of
>>>using a global statement?
>>>
>>
>>Speaking personally, it depends on whether I think the parameter is closely
>>related to the function and how much data is already required to be 
>>passed in.
>>
>
>I agree-- if you have a function that updates a number of global objects 
>or variables, you don't want to force yourself to list them all as 
>arguments every time you call the function.
>
>As a further note, I always use global statements in order to make objects 
>available to the local scope, but for looking at or updating regular 
>variables I tend to use the $GLOBALS array so that the local namespace 
>doesn't get to crowded.

aha, you mean like this?

$var1="something";
$var2="something else";
function dosomething($var1){
   global $GLOBALS;
   etc.


>    csnyder
>
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
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======================================================




From csnyder at chxo.com  Fri Sep  5 15:06:52 2003
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 15:06:52 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] more on &$var in function
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030905140927.00b42e88@mail.optonline.net>
References: <20030905145327.19397.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com>	<20030905145327.19397.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20030905140927.00b42e88@mail.optonline.net>
Message-ID: <3F58DECC.5080409@chxo.com>

Michael Southwell wrote:

> aha, you mean like this?
>
> $var1="something";
> $var2="something else";
> function dosomething($var1){
>   global $GLOBALS;
>   etc.
>
No need to do that, the $GLOBALS array is always available in the local 
scope.
Here's an example:

// global variables -- these aren't going to change for this request
$goatcolor= "red";
$goatname= "Quux";

$barn= new Barn;
$barn->color= "green";

function findGoat($goatname) {
    // make the current $barn object available locally
    global $barn;

    if ( $barn->color== $GLOBALS['goatcolor'] ) {
        print "$goatname is in this barn.";
        $barn->empty= 0;
    }
    else {
        print "$goatname is not in the $barn->color barn.";
        $barn->empty= 1;
    }
}

I could make a better example. :-)

By referencing $goatcolor as $GLOBALS['goatcolor'], I'm much less likely 
to change it by accident. And possibly the script is more readable, at 
least to me.

    csnyder

   





From bpang at bpang.com  Fri Sep  5 15:20:25 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 15:20:25 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How can I be prompted for
	Windows	Authenticationw/o	.htaccess?
Message-ID: <E19vM89-000161-ML@rslrs1-server.com>

please share... and that's BRIAN.. ;)


> Between two of NYPHP's finest (Dan and Ian), we solved it by figuring out
> how to finally delete .htaccess!
> 
> Phil
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Brian Pang" <bpang at bpang.com>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] How can I be prompted for Windows
> Authenticationw/o .htaccess?
> 
> 
> > maybe it's in the parent directory?
> > if it is, it would apply recursively.
> >
> >
> > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> > >
> > >
> > > I have a folder that requires Windows Authentication each time it is
> > access.  The remote system is Linux.  However, there is no sign of
> > .htaccess nor .htpasswd as I understand a UNIX-based system to have to
> > prompt for Windows Authentication, yet each time I am always prompted,
> > even if I call the folder directly w/o calling a specific file in that
> > folder (this all done via the browser).
> > >
> > > Anyone there run into this and know what I should do about it?
> > >
> > > Thanx
> > > Phil
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> 





From soazine at erols.com  Fri Sep  5 15:32:33 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:32:33 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How can I be prompted
	forWindows	Authenticationw/o	.htaccess?
References: <E19vM89-000161-ML@rslrs1-server.com>
Message-ID: <003301c373e4$743d0680$67a76244@philofsoa>

All I had to do was to delete .htaccess using command-line telnet.  And
guess where it was to delete it (because that file is hidden from view)

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Pang" <bpang at bpang.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] How can I be prompted forWindows Authenticationw/o
.htaccess?


> please share... and that's BRIAN.. ;)
>
>
> > Between two of NYPHP's finest (Dan and Ian), we solved it by figuring
out
> > how to finally delete .htaccess!
> >
> > Phil
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Brian Pang" <bpang at bpang.com>
> > To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:08 AM
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] How can I be prompted for Windows
> > Authenticationw/o .htaccess?
> >
> >
> > > maybe it's in the parent directory?
> > > if it is, it would apply recursively.
> > >
> > >
> > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have a folder that requires Windows Authentication each time it is
> > > access.  The remote system is Linux.  However, there is no sign of
> > > .htaccess nor .htpasswd as I understand a UNIX-based system to have to
> > > prompt for Windows Authentication, yet each time I am always prompted,
> > > even if I call the folder directly w/o calling a specific file in that
> > > folder (this all done via the browser).
> > > >
> > > > Anyone there run into this and know what I should do about it?
> > > >
> > > > Thanx
> > > > Phil
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > talk mailing list
> > > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> >
>
>
>
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From bpang at bpang.com  Fri Sep  5 15:37:00 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 15:37:00 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How can I be
	prompted	forWindows	Authenticationw/o	.htaccess?
Message-ID: <E19vMOC-0002lL-Nj@rslrs1-server.com>

Oh, I had assumed that you knew how to find it, deleted it and were
still having an issue.

Just in case there are still others that don't know, the command:
ls -al

will show the hidden files (that start with a period "."), too



> All I had to do was to delete .htaccess using command-line telnet.  And
> guess where it was to delete it (because that file is hidden from view)
> 
> Phil
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Brian Pang" <bpang at bpang.com>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 3:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] How can I be prompted forWindows
Authenticationw/o
> .htaccess?
> 
> 
> > please share... and that's BRIAN.. ;)
> >
> >
> > > Between two of NYPHP's finest (Dan and Ian), we solved it by figuring
> out
> > > how to finally delete .htaccess!
> > >
> > > Phil
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Brian Pang" <bpang at bpang.com>
> > > To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:08 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] How can I be prompted for Windows
> > > Authenticationw/o .htaccess?
> > >
> > >
> > > > maybe it's in the parent directory?
> > > > if it is, it would apply recursively.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a folder that requires Windows Authentication each time
it is
> > > > access.  The remote system is Linux.  However, there is no sign of
> > > > .htaccess nor .htpasswd as I understand a UNIX-based system to
have to
> > > > prompt for Windows Authentication, yet each time I am always
prompted,
> > > > even if I call the folder directly w/o calling a specific file
in that
> > > > folder (this all done via the browser).
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone there run into this and know what I should do about it?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanx
> > > > > Phil
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > talk mailing list
> > > > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > > > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> 





From kenrbnsn at rbnsn.com  Fri Sep  5 15:40:33 2003
From: kenrbnsn at rbnsn.com (Ken Robinson)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 15:40:33 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How can I be prompted
	forWindows	Authenticationw/o	.htaccess?
In-Reply-To: <003301c373e4$743d0680$67a76244@philofsoa>
References: <E19vM89-000161-ML@rslrs1-server.com>
	<003301c373e4$743d0680$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.20.2.20030905153926.057dc008@mail.rbnsn.com>

At 03:32 PM 9/5/2003, Phil Powell wrote:
>All I had to do was to delete .htaccess using command-line telnet.  And
>guess where it was to delete it (because that file is hidden from view)

This is on LInux? All you had to do was a 'ls -la' to see all of the files 
in the directory including those that start with a '.'

Ken Robinson 
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From max at idsociety.com  Fri Sep  5 16:09:16 2003
From: max at idsociety.com (max goldberg)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 16:09:16 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure
In-Reply-To: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJGECOGKAA.sklar@sklar.com>
References: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJGECOGKAA.sklar@sklar.com>
Message-ID: <3F58ED6C.20005@idsociety.com>

David Sklar wrote:

>>FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure:  Where to Locate Includes?
>>    
>>
>
>I set things up like this:
>
>Document root: /www/www.sitename.com/docroot
>Includes:      /www/www.sitename.com/support
>
>Individual pathnames and directory names, of course, don't really matter,
>but it's important to locate includes outside of the document root. You can
>configure your web server to not server include files based on extension or
>parse include files as PHP based on extension, but then you're in trouble if
>you ever have an include file with a different extension (on purpose, by
>accident, because you edited one in-place with emacs and ended up with
>foo.inc~, etc.)
>
>  
>
I worked for a company which at one point had a website where you could 
view any file's source by appending the filename with ~.
Mmmmm emacs.



From bpang at bpang.com  Fri Sep  5 16:27:03 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 16:27:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure
Message-ID: <E19vNAd-0007Qm-6Q@rslrs1-server.com>

great responses from all so far.

I have to admit, that most of the time, I use a subdirectory, but a
parallel directory does make sense from a security standpoint.


Using .inc is just way too confusing for me, so mine all get .php
.inc doesn't tell me what language I'm dealing with, nor does it give
good syntax coloring, at least not automatically.


Regarding portability, at the beginning of every file I put
require_once($_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT'] . "/LIB.php");

where LIB.php sets some variables for me, like the location of includes,
images, functions, webroot/domainname, classes, etc. as $INCLUDES,
$FUNCTIONS, $IMAGES, $WEBROOT, etc

I then use these everytime I call on an include or require a function
require("$FUNCTIONS/nameOfFunction.php");

This way I can move from machine to machine and put those dirs whereever
I want or am able. This really helps when you only have access to the
www directory and can't use a parallel directory.


Looking forward to reading the final review/synopsis on this first column.



> FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure:  Where to Locate Includes?
> 
> Index.php is always located in a website's document root, /var/www/html/
> on 
> a Linux box.
> Where should includes be located?
> 
> Here are some possibilities:
> * in the same directory, /var/www/html/
> * in a subdirectory of document root, /var/www/html/includes/
> * in a parallel directory to document root, /var/www/includes
> 
> What are the advantages and disadvantages of each possibility?
> IN THE SAME DIRECTORY
> * simple
> * but confusing and cluttered if there are more than just a few
> IN A SUBDIRECTORY
> * provides a logical place for them
> * but exposes them to browsers
> IN A PARALLEL DIRECTORY
> * provides a logical place for them
> * doesn't expose them to browsers
> * but perhaps write privileges are not available (or needed?)
> 
> What does exposure matter?
> If the include file contains html, it will be visible in the calling
> file's 
> source code.
> If it contains php code (like a database connection), it will never be 
> visible anyway.
> 
> Are there important principles here, or is location just a matter of 
> preference?
> 
> =======================================================================
> Don't know what this posting is all about?
> See: http://lists.nyphp.org/pipermail/talk/2003-September/005049.html
> =======================================================================
> 
> Jeff
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From pl at eskimo.com  Fri Sep  5 17:26:28 2003
From: pl at eskimo.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:26:28 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mail function slows down page loading
Message-ID: <002401c373f4$60229740$8d2c0242@peter1>

Hi,
I am using the mail function on a page, and I noticed that the page tends to hang for a while when it loads, no doubt do to having to send an email. Is there a way to send the email in a separate process. Would placing the ampersand in the sendmail path in PHP.ini file work?

Right now, on the server, the path is:

/usr/sbin/sendmail -t -i 

Would it help to change the path to:

/usr/sbin/sendmail -t -i &

Also, could this be done through the ini_set() function instead of editing the actual PHP.ini file?

Peter Lehrer
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From pl at eskimo.com  Fri Sep  5 17:33:27 2003
From: pl at eskimo.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:33:27 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mail function slows down page loading
References: <002401c373f4$60229740$8d2c0242@peter1>
Message-ID: <003b01c373f5$59a9fc40$8d2c0242@peter1>

it looks like the sendmail path can only be changed in php.ini or httpd.conf.

peter
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Peter Lehrer 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:26 PM
  Subject: [nycphp-talk] mail function slows down page loading


  Hi,
  I am using the mail function on a page, and I noticed that the page tends to hang for a while when it loads, no doubt do to having to send an email. Is there a way to send the email in a separate process. Would placing the ampersand in the sendmail path in PHP.ini file work?

  Right now, on the server, the path is:

  /usr/sbin/sendmail -t -i 

  Would it help to change the path to:

  /usr/sbin/sendmail -t -i &

  Also, could this be done through the ini_set() function instead of editing the actual PHP.ini file?

  Peter Lehrer


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From brian at preston-campbell.com  Fri Sep  5 17:40:58 2003
From: brian at preston-campbell.com (Preston-Campbell)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:40:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mail function slows down page loading
In-Reply-To: <002401c373f4$60229740$8d2c0242@peter1>
References: <002401c373f4$60229740$8d2c0242@peter1>
Message-ID: <200309051740.58361.brian@preston-campbell.com>

IIRC in Perl
/usr/sbin/sendmail -q
will queue the message.  It may make a difference -- I may also be blowin 
smoke.

Brian

On Friday 05 September 2003 05:26 pm, Peter Lehrer wrote:
> Hi,
> I am using the mail function on a page, and I noticed that the page tends
> to hang for a while when it loads, no doubt do to having to send an email.
> Is there a way to send the email in a separate process. Would placing the
> ampersand in the sendmail path in PHP.ini file work?
>
> Right now, on the server, the path is:
>
> /usr/sbin/sendmail -t -i
>
> Would it help to change the path to:
>
> /usr/sbin/sendmail -t -i &
>
> Also, could this be done through the ini_set() function instead of editing
> the actual PHP.ini file?
>
> Peter Lehrer



From pl at eskimo.com  Fri Sep  5 17:44:27 2003
From: pl at eskimo.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:44:27 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] DB.php
Message-ID: <007a01c373f6$e2b0ea20$8d2c0242@peter1>

Does anybody know where you can get DB.php and how to install it? Does it just go in your include directory?

Peter Lehrer
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From adam at trachtenberg.com  Fri Sep  5 17:56:21 2003
From: adam at trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:56:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] DB.php
In-Reply-To: <007a01c373f6$e2b0ea20$8d2c0242@peter1>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309051754470.2606-100000@miranda.org>

On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Peter Lehrer wrote:

> Does anybody know where you can get DB.php and how to install it?
> Does it just go in your include directory?

You install it using pear. See http://pear.php.net. PEAR files usually
go in /usr/local/lib/php, but the PEAR Package Manager should take
care of this for you. BTW, you may need to edit your php.ini file to
add the new location to your include_path.

-adam

-- 
adam at trachtenberg.com
author of o'reilly's php cookbook
avoid the holiday rush, buy your copy today!



From pl at eskimo.com  Fri Sep  5 18:06:02 2003
From: pl at eskimo.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 18:06:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] DB.php
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309051754470.2606-100000@miranda.org>
Message-ID: <008f01c373f9$eb0aa460$8d2c0242@peter1>

I'm running php on windows. Will it work on windows?

Peter
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg" <adam at trachtenberg.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] DB.php


> On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Peter Lehrer wrote:
> 
> > Does anybody know where you can get DB.php and how to install it?
> > Does it just go in your include directory?
> 
> You install it using pear. See http://pear.php.net. PEAR files usually
> go in /usr/local/lib/php, but the PEAR Package Manager should take
> care of this for you. BTW, you may need to edit your php.ini file to
> add the new location to your include_path.
> 
> -adam
> 
> -- 
> adam at trachtenberg.com
> author of o'reilly's php cookbook
> avoid the holiday rush, buy your copy today!
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 


From dan at mx2pro.com  Fri Sep  5 18:10:03 2003
From: dan at mx2pro.com (Dan Horning)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 18:10:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How can I
	beprompted	forWindows	Authenticationw/o	.htaccess?
In-Reply-To: <E19vMOC-0002lL-Nj@rslrs1-server.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c373fa$77215fc0$e80f9942@dwchome>

The issue was solved via windows command line FTP
For more details .. We'll have to get Ian on here

- Dan Horning
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org 
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Brian Pang
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 3:37 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] How can I beprompted forWindows 
> Authenticationw/o .htaccess?
> 
> 
> Oh, I had assumed that you knew how to find it, deleted it and were
> still having an issue.
> 
> Just in case there are still others that don't know, the command:
> ls -al
> 
> will show the hidden files (that start with a period "."), too
> 
> 
> 
> > All I had to do was to delete .htaccess using command-line 
> telnet.  And
> > guess where it was to delete it (because that file is 
> hidden from view)
> > 
> > Phil
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Brian Pang" <bpang at bpang.com>
> > To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 3:20 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] How can I be prompted forWindows
> Authenticationw/o
> > .htaccess?
> > 
> > 
> > > please share... and that's BRIAN.. ;)
> > >
> > >
> > > > Between two of NYPHP's finest (Dan and Ian), we solved 
> it by figuring
> > out
> > > > how to finally delete .htaccess!
> > > >
> > > > Phil
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "Brian Pang" <bpang at bpang.com>
> > > > To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> > > > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:08 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] How can I be prompted for Windows
> > > > Authenticationw/o .htaccess?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > maybe it's in the parent directory?
> > > > > if it is, it would apply recursively.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have a folder that requires Windows 
> Authentication each time
> it is
> > > > > access.  The remote system is Linux.  However, there 
> is no sign of
> > > > > .htaccess nor .htpasswd as I understand a UNIX-based system to
> have to
> > > > > prompt for Windows Authentication, yet each time I am always
> prompted,
> > > > > even if I call the folder directly w/o calling a specific file
> in that
> > > > > folder (this all done via the browser).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyone there run into this and know what I should 
> do about it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanx
> > > > > > Phil
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > talk mailing list
> > > > > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > > > > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > talk mailing list
> > > > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > > > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > talk mailing list
> > > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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> 



From shiflett at php.net  Fri Sep  5 18:11:38 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:11:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] DB.php
In-Reply-To: <008f01c373f9$eb0aa460$8d2c0242@peter1>
Message-ID: <20030905221138.59655.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Peter Lehrer <pl at eskimo.com> wrote:
> I'm running php on windows. Will it work on windows?

http://pear.php.net/manual/en/faq.windows.php

Chris

=====
Become a better Web developer with the HTTP Developer's Handbook
http://httphandbook.org/


From pl at eskimo.com  Fri Sep  5 18:26:52 2003
From: pl at eskimo.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 18:26:52 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] DB.php
References: <20030905221138.59655.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00a801c373fc$d136fae0$8d2c0242@peter1>

Is there a way to set up multiple include paths in the php.ini?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Shiflett" <shiflett at php.net>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] DB.php


> --- Peter Lehrer <pl at eskimo.com> wrote:
> > I'm running php on windows. Will it work on windows?
> 
> http://pear.php.net/manual/en/faq.windows.php
> 
> Chris
> 
> =====
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> http://httphandbook.org/
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From pl at eskimo.com  Fri Sep  5 18:27:46 2003
From: pl at eskimo.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 18:27:46 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] DB.php
References: <20030905221138.59655.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com>
	<00a801c373fc$d136fae0$8d2c0242@peter1>
Message-ID: <00b001c373fc$f0403b40$8d2c0242@peter1>

i got it.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lehrer" <pl at eskimo.com>
To: <shiflett at php.net>; "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] DB.php


> Is there a way to set up multiple include paths in the php.ini?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chris Shiflett" <shiflett at php.net>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 6:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] DB.php
> 
> 
> > --- Peter Lehrer <pl at eskimo.com> wrote:
> > > I'm running php on windows. Will it work on windows?
> > 
> > http://pear.php.net/manual/en/faq.windows.php
> > 
> > Chris
> > 
> > =====
> > Become a better Web developer with the HTTP Developer's Handbook
> > http://httphandbook.org/
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> > 
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From soazine at erols.com  Fri Sep  5 19:24:59 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 19:24:59 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. III
References: <NGBBIDLNCJJKIBJPNEHEMEGFEBAA.wfan@encogent.com>
Message-ID: <02ec01c37404$ec8e0f10$67a76244@philofsoa>

<anger level="annoyed">

I tried setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $registrationNumber, 0, '/'); // FAILED

I tried header("Set-cookie: nordicnet_registration=$registrationNumber; path=\"/\"\n"); // FAILED

Basically, every combination of setting a session cookie in PHP has so far failed!

I am now convinced that God does not want me to use sessions ever!

</anger>

Phil
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Wellington Fan 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:40 PM
  Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II


  hahaha! serves me right for not reading THE VERY NEXT LINE:
  "The expire and secure arguments are integers and cannot be skipped with an empty string. Use a zero (0) instead"

  so try this:
  setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $uplinenumber, 0, "/" ); 
    -----Original Message-----
    From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Phil Powell
    Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:34 PM
    To: NYPHP Talk
    Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II


    Yeah I tried that and got a parse error statement expected integer on the setcookie() line.  I guess when it says [int expire] they MEAN int! :(

    Phil
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Wellington Fan 
      To: NYPHP Talk 
      Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:28 PM
      Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II


      Phil,

      From the setcookie page:

      You may also replace any argument with an empty string ("") in order to skip that argument.  

      the full signature (most of the parameters are optional ):
      setcookie ( name , value , expire, path , domain , secure )

      your call:
      setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $uplinenumber, "", "/" ); 

      Try that -- I'm guessing it will work.

      --
      Wellington

        -----Original Message-----
        From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Phil Powell
        Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:15 PM
        To: NYPHP Talk
        Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II


        That does not work either, it sets the cookie onto disk and instantly deletes it.

        Phil
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Patrick Hunt 
          To: NYPHP Talk 
          Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 5:56 PM
          Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II



          set the expire time to zero.


          --Original Message Text---
          From: Phil Powell
          Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 17:20:45 -0400

          setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $uplinenumber); // SESSION COOKIE TO BE SET 

          I have this cookie I have to set that will be session-based (cookie deletes when browser session is closed, the classic). However, the cookie is set in /Main_page/registrering.php so the path for the cookie is incorrect; I want the path to be '/'. HOWEVER, PHP is strict on syntax so that if I set a path, I have to set a time int value at the same time. 

          I want to set the path and NOT the time int. How do I do that? 

          Phil 





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From bpang at bpang.com  Fri Sep  5 19:52:58 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 19:52:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. III
Message-ID: <E19vQNu-000752-FZ@rslrs1-server.com>

try this... I think you're sposed to put the value in quotes


setcookie("nordicnet_registration", "$registrationNumber", 0, "/");



> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> 
> 
> <anger level="annoyed">
> 
> I tried setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $registrationNumber, 0,
'/'); // FAILED
> 
> I tried header("Set-cookie:
nordicnet_registration=$registrationNumber; path=\"/\"\n"); // FAILED
> 
> Basically, every combination of setting a session cookie in PHP has so
far failed!
> 
> I am now convinced that God does not want me to use sessions ever!
> 
> </anger>
> 
> Phil
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Wellington Fan 
>   To: NYPHP Talk 
>   Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:40 PM
>   Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II
> 
> 
>   hahaha! serves me right for not reading THE VERY NEXT LINE:
>   "The expire and secure arguments are integers and cannot be skipped
with an empty string. Use a zero (0) instead"
> 
>   so try this:
>   setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $uplinenumber, 0, "/" ); 
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Phil Powell
>     Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:34 PM
>     To: NYPHP Talk
>     Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II
> 
> 
>     Yeah I tried that and got a parse error statement expected integer
on the setcookie() line.  I guess when it says [int expire] they MEAN
int! :(
> 
>     Phil
>       ----- Original Message ----- 
>       From: Wellington Fan 
>       To: NYPHP Talk 
>       Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:28 PM
>       Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II
> 
> 
>       Phil,
> 
>       From the setcookie page:
> 
>       You may also replace any argument with an empty string ("") in
order to skip that argument.  
> 
>       the full signature (most of the parameters are optional ):
>       setcookie ( name , value , expire, path , domain , secure )
> 
>       your call:
>       setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $uplinenumber, "", "/" ); 
> 
>       Try that -- I'm guessing it will work.
> 
>       --
>       Wellington
> 
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Phil Powell
>         Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:15 PM
>         To: NYPHP Talk
>         Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II
> 
> 
>         That does not work either, it sets the cookie onto disk and
instantly deletes it.
> 
>         Phil
>           ----- Original Message ----- 
>           From: Patrick Hunt 
>           To: NYPHP Talk 
>           Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 5:56 PM
>           Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II
> 
> 
> 
>           set the expire time to zero.
> 
> 
>           --Original Message Text---
>           From: Phil Powell
>           Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 17:20:45 -0400
> 
>           setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $uplinenumber); //
SESSION COOKIE TO BE SET 
> 
>           I have this cookie I have to set that will be session-based
(cookie deletes when browser session is closed, the classic). However,
the cookie is set in /Main_page/registrering.php so the path for the
cookie is incorrect; I want the path to be '/'. HOWEVER, PHP is strict
on syntax so that if I set a path, I have to set a time int value at the
same time. 
> 
>           I want to set the path and NOT the time int. How do I do that? 
> 
>           Phil 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From dorgan at optonline.net  Fri Sep  5 20:01:20 2003
From: dorgan at optonline.net (Donald J. Organ IV)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 20:01:20 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] First Big Client
References: <20030904215628.C46FBA85E6@virtu.nyphp.org>
	<168901c37331$fa0e51a0$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <001401c3740a$015098a0$c801a8c0@dj>

Ok i ahve been developing PHP web application for a couple fo years now but they have always been on a volunteer or personal basis.  Now I have a client that wants a custom web application and I am not sure how much to charge them.  So of the features that this web application included are:

Contact Management 
Personal Appointment book as well as global appointment book
Resume management
meeting management
admin features(Such as adding new users)
Sending out template based email to well over 100 individuals
dynamic word document creation
and many other features...

This system is replacing other application such as Goldmine, resume grabber, and will also eliminate many steps such as sending emails in outlook.

if anyone has an idea on how much something like this goes for please let me know.
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From shiflett at php.net  Fri Sep  5 20:18:39 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:18:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. III
In-Reply-To: <02ec01c37404$ec8e0f10$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <20030906001839.58369.qmail@web14305.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Phil Powell <soazine at erols.com> wrote:
> I tried header("Set-cookie: nordicnet_registration=$registrationNumber;
> path=\"/\"\n"); // FAILED

The C in Set-Cookie is uppercase, the path is not quoted, and there should not
be a newline.

header('Set-Cookie: var=value; path=/');

Chris

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From shiflett at php.net  Fri Sep  5 20:22:19 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:22:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. III
In-Reply-To: <E19vQNu-000752-FZ@rslrs1-server.com>
Message-ID: <20030906002219.91181.qmail@web14311.mail.yahoo.com>

> I am now convinced that God does not want me to use sessions ever!

Are you trying to set a session cookie (a cookie that exists only in the
browser session) or trying to use PHP sessions? Now I'm confused. :-)

Chris

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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Fri Sep  5 20:22:23 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 20:22:23 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure
In-Reply-To: <E19vNAd-0007Qm-6Q@rslrs1-server.com>
References: <E19vNAd-0007Qm-6Q@rslrs1-server.com>
Message-ID: <20030906002223.GA5044@panix.com>

On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 04:27:03PM -0400, Brian Pang wrote:
> 
> Using .inc is just way too confusing for me, so mine all get .php
> .inc doesn't tell me what language I'm dealing with, nor does it give
> good syntax coloring, at least not automatically.

Confusing to me is wondering if a file named "a.php" is a script which is
going to be viewed/executed or is just a bunch of included functions.


> Regarding portability, at the beginning of every file I put
> require_once($_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT'] . "/LIB.php");

And if your files are not in the document root and the tree structure 
differs between the development machine and the server?


> where LIB.php sets some variables for me, like the location of includes,
> images, functions, webroot/domainname, classes, etc. as $INCLUDES,
> $FUNCTIONS, $IMAGES, $WEBROOT, etc

Nice.

--Dan

... snipped rest to save bandwidth and storage, the nice thing to do...

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From bpang at bpang.com  Fri Sep  5 20:22:55 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 20:22:55 -0400
Subject: Dynamic Word Doc Creation? (was Re: [nycphp-talk] First Big Client)
Message-ID: <E19vQqt-0000n9-R9@rslrs1-server.com>

You can dynamically create (MS) Word Docs with php?

I better do my homework.


> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> 
> 
> Ok i ahve been developing PHP web application for a couple fo years
now but they have always been on a volunteer or personal basis.  Now I
have a client that wants a custom web application and I am not sure how
much to charge them.  So of the features that this web application
included are:
> 
> Contact Management 
> Personal Appointment book as well as global appointment book
> Resume management
> meeting management
> admin features(Such as adding new users)
> Sending out template based email to well over 100 individuals
> dynamic word document creation
> and many other features...
><snip>


From shiflett at php.net  Fri Sep  5 20:25:37 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:25:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] First Big Client
In-Reply-To: <001401c3740a$015098a0$c801a8c0@dj>
Message-ID: <20030906002537.28322.qmail@web14308.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "Donald J. Organ IV" <dorgan at optonline.net> wrote:
> if anyone has an idea on how much something like this goes for please
> let me know.

I think David would have the best advice for this type of thing, but there is
one perspective you seem to be overlooking. Instead of trying to quantity the
cost based on the perceived value of the software, maybe you can quantify the
cost based on the amount of time you estimate will be involved combined with
how valuable you believe your time to be.

I think you are the best person to give such an estimate.

Chris

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From bpang at bpang.com  Fri Sep  5 20:30:02 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 20:30:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure
Message-ID: <E19vQxm-0001JF-IH@rslrs1-server.com>

> On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 04:27:03PM -0400, Brian Pang wrote:
> > 
> > Using .inc is just way too confusing for me, so mine all get .php
> > .inc doesn't tell me what language I'm dealing with, nor does it give
> > good syntax coloring, at least not automatically.
> 
> Confusing to me is wondering if a file named "a.php" is a script which is
> going to be viewed/executed or is just a bunch of included functions.
> 

I see your point, but it would be in the includes dir so that's how I
would know.


> 
> > Regarding portability, at the beginning of every file I put
> > require_once($_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT'] . "/LIB.php");
> 
> And if your files are not in the document root and the tree structure 
> differs between the development machine and the server?

only the LIB.php needs to go in the document_root.
Then it can set the $INCLUDES, $FUNCTIONS, etc vars to
$INCLUDES = "/path/to/includes/dir";

I try to at least use sym links so that my servers have similar trees.
Ideally, the machines are twins, but in the event that they are not (dev
machine is a workstation?) you could just maintain 2 separate LIB.php
files with different paths.

dev
$INCLUDES = "/dev/path/to/includes";

production
$INCLUDES = "/prod/path/to/includes";

The files which call LIB.php can be anywhere under the www root as
$_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT'] won't change. Document_root is always the www
root.



> 
> > where LIB.php sets some variables for me, like the location of includes,
> > images, functions, webroot/domainname, classes, etc. as $INCLUDES,
> > $FUNCTIONS, $IMAGES, $WEBROOT, etc
> 
> Nice.

yeah, works for me

> 
> --Dan
> 
> ... snipped rest to save bandwidth and storage, the nice thing to do...
> 
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From tom at supertom.com  Fri Sep  5 20:41:52 2003
From: tom at supertom.com (Tom)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 20:41:52 -0400
Subject: Dynamic Word Doc Creation? (was Re: [nycphp-talk] First Big Client)
In-Reply-To: <E19vQqt-0000n9-R9@rslrs1-server.com>
Message-ID: <NFEJJFJPCKACHAAMIAHNGEEHEBAA.tom@supertom.com>

I think I saw a class for this on phpclasses.org.

Heck, I bet if you just put a doc extension on it and send the file download
headers, Word would probably open it anyway.

What you guys doing in front of a computer now anyway - it's Friday night!
:-)

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Brian Pang
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:23 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Dynamic Word Doc Creation? (was Re: [nycphp-talk] First Big
Client)


You can dynamically create (MS) Word Docs with php?

I better do my homework.


> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>
>
> Ok i ahve been developing PHP web application for a couple fo years
now but they have always been on a volunteer or personal basis.  Now I
have a client that wants a custom web application and I am not sure how
much to charge them.  So of the features that this web application
included are:
>
> Contact Management
> Personal Appointment book as well as global appointment book
> Resume management
> meeting management
> admin features(Such as adding new users)
> Sending out template based email to well over 100 individuals
> dynamic word document creation
> and many other features...
><snip>
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From bpang at bpang.com  Fri Sep  5 20:36:37 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 20:36:37 -0400
Subject: Dynamic Word Doc Creation? (was Re: [nycphp-talk] First Big Client)
Message-ID: <E19vR49-0001x1-EW@rslrs1-server.com>

thanks, I'll take a look.

That might work, but wait, who uses Word anymore anyways?
I bet it's much easier to dynamically create and OpenOffice document. :)

Where else would one be on a Friday nite? If you reply this evening,
I'll know the answer. :P


> I think I saw a class for this on phpclasses.org.
> 
> Heck, I bet if you just put a doc extension on it and send the file
download
> headers, Word would probably open it anyway.
> 
> What you guys doing in front of a computer now anyway - it's Friday night!
> :-)
> 
> Tom
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Brian Pang
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:23 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Dynamic Word Doc Creation? (was Re: [nycphp-talk] First Big
> Client)
> 
> 
> You can dynamically create (MS) Word Docs with php?
> 
> I better do my homework.
> 
> 
> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> >
> >
> > Ok i ahve been developing PHP web application for a couple fo years
> now but they have always been on a volunteer or personal basis.  Now I
> have a client that wants a custom web application and I am not sure how
> much to charge them.  So of the features that this web application
> included are:
> >
> > Contact Management
> > Personal Appointment book as well as global appointment book
> > Resume management
> > meeting management
> > admin features(Such as adding new users)
> > Sending out template based email to well over 100 individuals
> > dynamic word document creation
> > and many other features...
> ><snip>
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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Fri Sep  5 20:38:20 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 20:38:20 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure
In-Reply-To: <E19vQxm-0001JF-IH@rslrs1-server.com>
References: <E19vQxm-0001JF-IH@rslrs1-server.com>
Message-ID: <20030906003819.GB5044@panix.com>

On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 08:30:02PM -0400, Brian Pang wrote:
> 
> only the LIB.php needs to go in the document_root.

And if the server you're trying to move to is a shared server on which you
don't have control over the document root?  Or, on your development
server, you develop lots of clients websites, so make subdirectories off 
of the main document root to do the designs in?  Or...

That's why I use one file in each directory which contains a relative 
path pointing back to the general includes dir.

--Dan

... wonderin' what's so hard 'bout snippin...

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From dorgan at optonline.net  Fri Sep  5 20:38:12 2003
From: dorgan at optonline.net (Donald J. Organ IV)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 20:38:12 -0400
Subject: Dynamic Word Doc Creation? (was Re: [nycphp-talk] First Big Client)
References: <NFEJJFJPCKACHAAMIAHNGEEHEBAA.tom@supertom.com>
Message-ID: <001101c3740f$27d5a470$c801a8c0@dj>

well I am out of state right now and on vacation visiting my dad in
Washington state its only about 5:30 here.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom" <tom at supertom.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:41 PM
Subject: RE: Dynamic Word Doc Creation? (was Re: [nycphp-talk] First Big
Client)


> I think I saw a class for this on phpclasses.org.
>
> Heck, I bet if you just put a doc extension on it and send the file
download
> headers, Word would probably open it anyway.
>
> What you guys doing in front of a computer now anyway - it's Friday night!
> :-)
>
> Tom
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Brian Pang
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:23 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Dynamic Word Doc Creation? (was Re: [nycphp-talk] First Big
> Client)
>
>
> You can dynamically create (MS) Word Docs with php?
>
> I better do my homework.
>
>
> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> >
> >
> > Ok i ahve been developing PHP web application for a couple fo years
> now but they have always been on a volunteer or personal basis.  Now I
> have a client that wants a custom web application and I am not sure how
> much to charge them.  So of the features that this web application
> included are:
> >
> > Contact Management
> > Personal Appointment book as well as global appointment book
> > Resume management
> > meeting management
> > admin features(Such as adding new users)
> > Sending out template based email to well over 100 individuals
> > dynamic word document creation
> > and many other features...
> ><snip>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
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From pat at vote.com  Fri Sep  5 20:37:55 2003
From: pat at vote.com (Patrick Hunt)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 20:37:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. III
Message-ID: <20030906003839.460E8A8729@virtu.nyphp.org>

Phil,

Please be patient with me while I ask a silly question: 
Exactly how are you evaluating the success/failure of your cookie
code?

I ask because earlier in this thread you said:

>> That does not work either, it sets the cookie 
>> onto disk and instantly deletes it. 

are you using the existence of the cookie file in the OS to decide
if the cookie was set? I don't know one way or the other whether
that's a good indicator, and there's certainly better ways to
check.

My first check would of course be to redirect to a second script
that looks in the $_COOKIE (or $HTTP_COOKIE_VARS) array.
Unfortunately there's the faint possibility that the browser you're
using has been (unbeknownst to you) configured to silently discard
the cookies. Therefore I tend to look directly at the raw data
that's received by the browser from the cookie setting script.

If I execute the following one-liner:

  <?php setcookie("cname", "cdata", time()+3600, "/"); ?>

I get back the following header line in the reply:

  Set-Cookie: cname=cdata; expires=Sat, 06-Sep-03 01:30:36 GMT;
path=/

which is what I wanted; a non-session cookie that expires in an
hour.

If I execute this one-liner:

  <?php setcookie("cname", "cdata", 0, "/"); ?>

I get back the following header line in the reply:

  Set-Cookie: cname=cdata; path=/

which is, as far as I know, since it has NO expiration date, a true
session cookie.

If you haven't done so yet, I would strongly suggest you use telnet
or some other low level tool to examine the exact headers you're
getting back from the script.

Of course you may have gone through all of this already, in which
case sorry for wasting your time.

Good luck.

Pat Hunt

-------------------------

--Original Message Text---
From: Phil Powell
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 19:24:59 -0400

<anger level="annoyed"> 

I tried setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $registrationNumber, 0,
'/'); // FAILED 

I tried header("Set-cookie:
nordicnet_registration=$registrationNumber; path=\"/\"\n"); //
FAILED 

Basically, every combination of setting a session cookie in PHP has
so far failed! 

I am now convinced that God does not want me to use sessions ever! 

</anger> 

Phil 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Wellington Fan 
To: NYPHP Talk 
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:40 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II


hahaha! serves me right for not reading THE VERY NEXT LINE: 
"The expire and secure arguments are integers and cannot be skipped
with an empty string. Use a zero (0) instead" 

so try this:
setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $uplinenumber, 0, "/" ); 
-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Phil Powell
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:34 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II


Yeah I tried that and got a parse error statement expected integer
on the setcookie() line. I guess when it says [int expire] they
MEAN int! :( 

Phil 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Wellington Fan 
To: NYPHP Talk 
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:28 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II


Phil, 

>From the setcookie page: 

You may also replace any argument with an empty string ("") in
order to skip that argument. 

the full signature (most of the parameters are optional ): 
setcookie ( name , value , expire, path , domain , secure ) 

your call: 
setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $uplinenumber, "", "/" ); 

Try that -- I'm guessing it will work. 

-- 
Wellington 

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Phil Powell
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:15 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II


That does not work either, it sets the cookie onto disk and
instantly deletes it. 

Phil 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Patrick Hunt 
To: NYPHP Talk 
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II



set the expire time to zero.


--Original Message Text---
From: Phil Powell
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 17:20:45 -0400

setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $uplinenumber); // SESSION
COOKIE TO BE SET 

I have this cookie I have to set that will be session-based (cookie
deletes when browser session is closed, the classic). However, the
cookie is set in /Main_page/registrering.php so the path for the
cookie is incorrect; I want the path to be '/'. HOWEVER, PHP is
strict on syntax so that if I set a path, I have to set a time int
value at the same time. 

I want to set the path and NOT the time int. How do I do that? 

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From bpang at bpang.com  Fri Sep  5 20:49:37 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 20:49:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS #1: Site Structure
Message-ID: <E19vRGj-00033d-Al@rslrs1-server.com>

shared server meaning what?

I don't think you mean virtual domain hosting where 1 server hosts
multiple domains. Each domain would have it's own document root.

if you mean where you are working entirely in a subdirectory on 1
domain; i.e. domain.com/site1  vs. domain.com/site2
   maybe I'd beg to drop 1 file in the root with some obscure name other
than LIB.php... even as .LIB.php so it's more hidden.
   or I would just append the dir name in the include
        include($_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT'] . "/site1/LIB.php");
   and "assume" that if it moves to another box that it would still stay
within the site1 dir. Else, it's not a hard search/replace.


on my dev server, I usually create multiple virtual domains

> > 
> > only the LIB.php needs to go in the document_root.
> 
> And if the server you're trying to move to is a shared server on which you
> don't have control over the document root?  Or, on your development
> server, you develop lots of clients websites, so make subdirectories off 
> of the main document root to do the designs in?  Or...
> 
> ... wonderin' what's so hard 'bout snippin...
it's not, just trying not to leave out so much of the thread that the
thread is lost


From soazine at erols.com  Sat Sep  6 03:07:35 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 03:07:35 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. III
References: <20030906001839.58369.qmail@web14305.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <03b201c37445$8c781030$67a76244@philofsoa>

Tried all of those, Chris, they didn't set the cookie either.  Went back to

setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $registrationNumber, 0, '/');

And this time it worked.  I am at a loss.

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Shiflett" <shiflett at php.net>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. III


> --- Phil Powell <soazine at erols.com> wrote:
> > I tried header("Set-cookie: nordicnet_registration=$registrationNumber;
> > path=\"/\"\n"); // FAILED
>
> The C in Set-Cookie is uppercase, the path is not quoted, and there should
not
> be a newline.
>
> header('Set-Cookie: var=value; path=/');
>
> Chris
>
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From soazine at erols.com  Sat Sep  6 03:10:17 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 03:10:17 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. III
References: <20030906003839.460E8A8729@virtu.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <03d701c37445$ed774d10$67a76244@philofsoa>

Thanx for the suggestions.. Ian and Dan can tell you the headache I'm dealing with with the remote server.  I am forbidden to telnet nor ssh so neither of those are an option.

I used $_COOKIE['nordicnet_registration'] within a PHP script to display it; upon setcookie it was still not there (this after redirecting to the script with the $_COOKIE element).

What I wound up doing was literally changing it back to setcookie and walking away for the evening.  Coming back, it works this time.

Phil
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Patrick Hunt 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:37 PM
  Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. III


  Phil,

  Please be patient with me while I ask a silly question: 
  Exactly how are you evaluating the success/failure of your cookie code?

  I ask because earlier in this thread you said:

  >> That does not work either, it sets the cookie 
  >> onto disk and instantly deletes it. 

  are you using the existence of the cookie file in the OS to decide if the cookie was set? I don't know one way or the other whether that's a good indicator, and there's certainly better ways to check.

  My first check would of course be to redirect to a second script that looks in the $_COOKIE (or $HTTP_COOKIE_VARS) array. Unfortunately there's the faint possibility that the browser you're using has been (unbeknownst to you) configured to silently discard the cookies. Therefore I tend to look directly at the raw data that's received by the browser from the cookie setting script.

  If I execute the following one-liner:

  <?php setcookie("cname", "cdata", time()+3600, "/"); ?>

  I get back the following header line in the reply:

  Set-Cookie: cname=cdata; expires=Sat, 06-Sep-03 01:30:36 GMT; path=/

  which is what I wanted; a non-session cookie that expires in an hour.

  If I execute this one-liner:

  <?php setcookie("cname", "cdata", 0, "/"); ?>

  I get back the following header line in the reply:

  Set-Cookie: cname=cdata; path=/

  which is, as far as I know, since it has NO expiration date, a true session cookie.

  If you haven't done so yet, I would strongly suggest you use telnet or some other low level tool to examine the exact headers you're getting back from the script.

  Of course you may have gone through all of this already, in which case sorry for wasting your time.

  Good luck.

  Pat Hunt

  -------------------------

  --Original Message Text---
  From: Phil Powell
  Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 19:24:59 -0400

  <anger level="annoyed"> 

  I tried setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $registrationNumber, 0, '/'); // FAILED 

  I tried header("Set-cookie: nordicnet_registration=$registrationNumber; path=\"/\"\n"); // FAILED 

  Basically, every combination of setting a session cookie in PHP has so far failed! 

  I am now convinced that God does not want me to use sessions ever! 

  </anger> 

  Phil 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Wellington Fan 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:40 PM
  Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II


  hahaha! serves me right for not reading THE VERY NEXT LINE: 
  "The expire and secure arguments are integers and cannot be skipped with an empty string. Use a zero (0) instead" 

  so try this:
  setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $uplinenumber, 0, "/" ); 
  -----Original Message-----
  From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Phil Powell
  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:34 PM
  To: NYPHP Talk
  Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II


  Yeah I tried that and got a parse error statement expected integer on the setcookie() line. I guess when it says [int expire] they MEAN int! :( 

  Phil 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Wellington Fan 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:28 PM
  Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II


  Phil, 

  >From the setcookie page: 

  You may also replace any argument with an empty string ("") in order to skip that argument. 

  the full signature (most of the parameters are optional ): 
  setcookie ( name , value , expire, path , domain , secure ) 

  your call: 
  setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $uplinenumber, "", "/" ); 

  Try that -- I'm guessing it will work. 

  -- 
  Wellington 

  -----Original Message-----
  From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Phil Powell
  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:15 PM
  To: NYPHP Talk
  Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II


  That does not work either, it sets the cookie onto disk and instantly deletes it. 

  Phil 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Patrick Hunt 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 5:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] setcookie Pt. II



  set the expire time to zero.


  --Original Message Text---
  From: Phil Powell
  Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 17:20:45 -0400

  setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $uplinenumber); // SESSION COOKIE TO BE SET 

  I have this cookie I have to set that will be session-based (cookie deletes when browser session is closed, the classic). However, the cookie is set in /Main_page/registrering.php so the path for the cookie is incorrect; I want the path to be '/'. HOWEVER, PHP is strict on syntax so that if I set a path, I have to set a time int value at the same time. 

  I want to set the path and NOT the time int. How do I do that? 

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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Sat Sep  6 07:35:49 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 07:35:49 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Apache config question
Message-ID: <003301c3746b$05a30bc0$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

I'm not sure how to handle this. I'm setting up a new server at the
office. I'd like to be able to set up a directory structure like this:

	/var/www/html/clientproj1  <= for client stuff
	/var/www/html/myproj <= for whatever other project I may work on

I started effing around with virtual host (see below) which works fine
for this one instance but it's not obvious how to set up another virtual
host since I really don't have "names" for each one. I access everything
using the IP address.

This works!
<VirtualHost 192.168.1.111>
	DocumentRoot /var/www/html/clientproj1  
	ServerName www.clientproj1.com
</VirtualHost>

This DOESN'T work if combined with above. The two "overlap" according to
Apache's configtest.
<VirtualHost 192.168.1.111>
	DocumentRoot /var/www/html/myproj
	ServerName www.myproj.com
</VirtualHost>

I think the answer is buried somewhere in here
(http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.1/vhosts/examples.html) but after trying
a few different things, e.g., 192.168.1.111:8080, I couldn't get it to
work with another subdir like "myproj." Suggestions?

Jeff



From suzerain at suzerain.com  Sat Sep  6 07:54:33 2003
From: suzerain at suzerain.com (Marc Antony Vose)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 07:54:33 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Apache config question
In-Reply-To: <003301c3746b$05a30bc0$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
References: <003301c3746b$05a30bc0$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <a06001a20bb7f791fe548@[192.168.1.44]>


I have several dummy domains set up on my machine.  I think your 
problem is that you're missing the first VirtualHost directive, which 
is the base one for the server (where the "Hey, your Apache install 
worked" page ends up).

Then, you can append the other virtual hosts.

And. here's my relevant snippet from httpd.conf:

---
<VirtualHost 127.0.0.1>
ServerName 127.0.0.1
DocumentRoot /Library/WebServer/Documents
</VirtualHost>

Include /private/etc/httpd/vhosts
---

That first virtual host needs to be declared and then your others are 
handled separately.


So, inside the vhosts directory, I have several text files, each 
containing a virtual host directive.  Here's one:

<VirtualHost 127.0.0.1>
ServerName www.clientname.me
DocumentRoot /Library/WebServer/Documents/clientname
</VirtualHost>

They all have different directories.

(These are from dummy domains that I set up on my laptop to mirror my 
client's real ones, but in principle they work exactly the same with 
a server that's serving to other machines.)

Just make sure the other machines know where to go to see www.testserver.com.

Hope that helps.  I am by no means an Apache server admin, but this 
works for me.

Marc



>I'm not sure how to handle this. I'm setting up a new server at the
>office. I'd like to be able to set up a directory structure like this:
>
>	/var/www/html/clientproj1  <= for client stuff
>	/var/www/html/myproj <= for whatever other project I may work on
>
>I started effing around with virtual host (see below) which works fine
>for this one instance but it's not obvious how to set up another virtual
>host since I really don't have "names" for each one. I access everything
>using the IP address.
>
>This works!
><VirtualHost 192.168.1.111>
>	DocumentRoot /var/www/html/clientproj1 
>	ServerName www.clientproj1.com
></VirtualHost>
>
>This DOESN'T work if combined with above. The two "overlap" according to
>Apache's configtest.
><VirtualHost 192.168.1.111>
>	DocumentRoot /var/www/html/myproj
>	ServerName www.myproj.com
></VirtualHost>
>
>I think the answer is buried somewhere in here
>(http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.1/vhosts/examples.html) but after trying
>a few different things, e.g., 192.168.1.111:8080, I couldn't get it to
>work with another subdir like "myproj." Suggestions?
>
>Jeff
>
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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Sat Sep  6 08:03:49 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 08:03:49 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Apache config question
In-Reply-To: <003301c3746b$05a30bc0$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <003601c3746e$ef7f7c80$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Why is it that within four minutes of posting something that you
suddenly come up with the answer to your own question? Well...here's one
solution that worked. Let me know if there are better ways to do this.

I set Listen:

Listen 80
Listen 192.168.1.111:8080

I then set: NameVirtualHost 192.168.1.111

Finally...I did this.

<VirtualHost 192.168.1.111:80>
        DocumentRoot /var/www/html/clientproj1
        ServerName www.clientproj1.com
</VirtualHost>


<VirtualHost 192.168.1.111:8080>
        DocumentRoot /var/www/html/jeff
        ServerName www.myproj.com
</VirtualHost>

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Jeff
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 6:36 AM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Apache config question


I'm not sure how to handle this. I'm setting up a new server at the
office. I'd like to be able to set up a directory structure like this:

	/var/www/html/clientproj1  <= for client stuff
	/var/www/html/myproj <= for whatever other project I may work on

I started effing around with virtual host (see below) which works fine
for this one instance but it's not obvious how to set up another virtual
host since I really don't have "names" for each one. I access everything
using the IP address.

This works!
<VirtualHost 192.168.1.111>
	DocumentRoot /var/www/html/clientproj1  
	ServerName www.clientproj1.com
</VirtualHost>

This DOESN'T work if combined with above. The two "overlap" according to
Apache's configtest.
<VirtualHost 192.168.1.111>
	DocumentRoot /var/www/html/myproj
	ServerName www.myproj.com
</VirtualHost>

I think the answer is buried somewhere in here
(http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.1/vhosts/examples.html) but after trying
a few different things, e.g., 192.168.1.111:8080, I couldn't get it to
work with another subdir like "myproj." Suggestions?

Jeff

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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Sat Sep  6 08:34:35 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 08:34:35 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Apache config question
In-Reply-To: <a06001a20bb7f791fe548@[192.168.1.44]>
Message-ID: <003901c37473$3bc31e90$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

So...when you want to view a particular client project, what would be
the URL? That is, how do you get to clientproj1, clientproj2, in your
browser? In my situation, since I use http://192.168.1.111 to view stuff
in the browser, how do I get it - the browser - to go to those other
virtual hosts? Am I overlooking something real obvious?

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Marc Antony Vose
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 6:55 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Apache config question



I have several dummy domains set up on my machine.  I think your 
problem is that you're missing the first VirtualHost directive, which 
is the base one for the server (where the "Hey, your Apache install 
worked" page ends up).

Then, you can append the other virtual hosts.

And. here's my relevant snippet from httpd.conf:

---
<VirtualHost 127.0.0.1>
ServerName 127.0.0.1
DocumentRoot /Library/WebServer/Documents
</VirtualHost>

Include /private/etc/httpd/vhosts
---

That first virtual host needs to be declared and then your others are 
handled separately.


So, inside the vhosts directory, I have several text files, each 
containing a virtual host directive.  Here's one:

<VirtualHost 127.0.0.1>
ServerName www.clientname.me
DocumentRoot /Library/WebServer/Documents/clientname
</VirtualHost>

They all have different directories.

(These are from dummy domains that I set up on my laptop to mirror my 
client's real ones, but in principle they work exactly the same with 
a server that's serving to other machines.)

Just make sure the other machines know where to go to see
www.testserver.com.

Hope that helps.  I am by no means an Apache server admin, but this 
works for me.

Marc



>I'm not sure how to handle this. I'm setting up a new server at the
>office. I'd like to be able to set up a directory structure like this:
>
>	/var/www/html/clientproj1  <= for client stuff
>	/var/www/html/myproj <= for whatever other project I may work on
>
>I started effing around with virtual host (see below) which works fine
>for this one instance but it's not obvious how to set up another
virtual
>host since I really don't have "names" for each one. I access
everything
>using the IP address.
>
>This works!
><VirtualHost 192.168.1.111>
>	DocumentRoot /var/www/html/clientproj1 
>	ServerName www.clientproj1.com
></VirtualHost>
>
>This DOESN'T work if combined with above. The two "overlap" according
to
>Apache's configtest.
><VirtualHost 192.168.1.111>
>	DocumentRoot /var/www/html/myproj
>	ServerName www.myproj.com
></VirtualHost>
>
>I think the answer is buried somewhere in here
>(http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.1/vhosts/examples.html) but after
trying
>a few different things, e.g., 192.168.1.111:8080, I couldn't get it to
>work with another subdir like "myproj." Suggestions?
>
>Jeff
>
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
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From soazine at erols.com  Sat Sep  6 15:10:18 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 15:10:18 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
Message-ID: <055801c374aa$83079380$67a76244@philofsoa>

Fourth attempt.. it fails now in login, I check by printing $_COOKIE['nordicnet_registration'] and there is no value there!  Guys, what on earth do I do about this????

Here is the code that sets the cookie:

if ($hasLoggedIn && ($row = mysql_fetch_row($query))) {
   setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $row['nnet_user_registrationnumber'], 0, '/');
   @mysql_free_result($query);
   mysql_close($dbConn) or die('Could not close db');
   $html .= $font . '<font color=000099>Takk for logging inn.  For forsatte ' .
            "<a href=http://$serverName/index.php?content=membersites/Palogget%20S1.php " .
            '  target=_top>klikk her</a></font></font>';
  } else if (sizeof($_POST) > 0) {
   $errorMsg .= $font . '<font color=cc0000><li>Det finns en problem med db</li></font></font><p>';
   $hasLoggedIn = 0;
  }


Because the PHP script is in a frame, instead of using header() I print out some text with a link <a href=mylink.php target=_top> for the user to click and to go to another page.  By then the cookie should be registered, yet it's not there!

I'm at a complete loss.

Phil
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From bpang at bpang.com  Sat Sep  6 15:22:26 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 15:22:26 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
Message-ID: <E19vide-0007O0-Tf@rslrs1-server.com>

Phil, can you send me your url so I can try it in my browser?

I maintain my recommendation that you should quote the cookie value you
wish to set.

setcookie('nordicnet_registration',
"$row['nnet_user_registrationnumber']", 0, '/');


> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> 
> 
> Fourth attempt.. it fails now in login, I check by printing
$_COOKIE['nordicnet_registration'] and there is no value there!  Guys,
what on earth do I do about this????
> 
> Here is the code that sets the cookie:
> 
> if ($hasLoggedIn && ($row = mysql_fetch_row($query))) {
>    setcookie('nordicnet_registration',
$row['nnet_user_registrationnumber'], 0, '/');
>    @mysql_free_result($query);
>    mysql_close($dbConn) or die('Could not close db');
>    $html .= $font . '<font color=000099>Takk for logging inn.  For
forsatte ' .
>             "<a
href=http://$serverName/index.php?content=membersites/Palogget%20S1.php " .
>             '  target=_top>klikk her</a></font></font>';
>   } else if (sizeof($_POST) > 0) {
>    $errorMsg .= $font . '<font color=cc0000><li>Det finns en problem
med db</li></font></font><p>';
>    $hasLoggedIn = 0;
>   }
> 
> 
> Because the PHP script is in a frame, instead of using header() I
print out some text with a link <a href=mylink.php target=_top> for the
user to click and to go to another page.  By then the cookie should be
registered, yet it's not there!
> 
> I'm at a complete loss.
> 
> Phil
> 





From soazine at erols.com  Sat Sep  6 15:25:02 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 15:25:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
References: <E19vide-0007O0-Tf@rslrs1-server.com>
Message-ID: <058501c374ac$92268220$67a76244@philofsoa>

http://www.nordicnet.no go to "Logg inn" and enter this username and
password:

ppowell100001
6vKYtEwM

You should see a text with link, click onto the link and then either you'll
go to the right URL or to logginn.php again (the WRONG URL!)

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Pang" <bpang at bpang.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????


> Phil, can you send me your url so I can try it in my browser?
>
> I maintain my recommendation that you should quote the cookie value you
> wish to set.
>
> setcookie('nordicnet_registration',
> "$row['nnet_user_registrationnumber']", 0, '/');
>
>
> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> >
> >
> > Fourth attempt.. it fails now in login, I check by printing
> $_COOKIE['nordicnet_registration'] and there is no value there!  Guys,
> what on earth do I do about this????
> >
> > Here is the code that sets the cookie:
> >
> > if ($hasLoggedIn && ($row = mysql_fetch_row($query))) {
> >    setcookie('nordicnet_registration',
> $row['nnet_user_registrationnumber'], 0, '/');
> >    @mysql_free_result($query);
> >    mysql_close($dbConn) or die('Could not close db');
> >    $html .= $font . '<font color=000099>Takk for logging inn.  For
> forsatte ' .
> >             "<a
> href=http://$serverName/index.php?content=membersites/Palogget%20S1.php "
.
> >             '  target=_top>klikk her</a></font></font>';
> >   } else if (sizeof($_POST) > 0) {
> >    $errorMsg .= $font . '<font color=cc0000><li>Det finns en problem
> med db</li></font></font><p>';
> >    $hasLoggedIn = 0;
> >   }
> >
> >
> > Because the PHP script is in a frame, instead of using header() I
> print out some text with a link <a href=mylink.php target=_top> for the
> user to click and to go to another page.  By then the cookie should be
> registered, yet it's not there!
> >
> > I'm at a complete loss.
> >
> > Phil
> >
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From bpang at bpang.com  Sat Sep  6 15:41:53 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 15:41:53 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
Message-ID: <E19viwT-0000iF-Fe@rslrs1-server.com>

ok, I ended up on the blue fruit of the loom page...
is that the proper page?

cookie manager (Mozilla 1.4; Linux)
shows

host: www.nordicnet.no
name: nordicnet_registration
content: {}

what are you trying to store as the content?

so, it looks like the cookie was set.

Where on the blue page are you reading back the cookie data?




> http://www.nordicnet.no go to "Logg inn" and enter this username and
> password:
> 
> ppowell100001
> 6vKYtEwM
> 
> You should see a text with link, click onto the link and then either
you'll
> go to the right URL or to logginn.php again (the WRONG URL!)
> 
> Phil
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Brian Pang" <bpang at bpang.com>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 3:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
> 
> 
> > Phil, can you send me your url so I can try it in my browser?
> >
> > I maintain my recommendation that you should quote the cookie value you
> > wish to set.
> >
> > setcookie('nordicnet_registration',
> > "$row['nnet_user_registrationnumber']", 0, '/');
> >
> >
> > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> > >
> > >
> > > Fourth attempt.. it fails now in login, I check by printing
> > $_COOKIE['nordicnet_registration'] and there is no value there!  Guys,
> > what on earth do I do about this????
> > >
> > > Here is the code that sets the cookie:
> > >
> > > if ($hasLoggedIn && ($row = mysql_fetch_row($query))) {
> > >    setcookie('nordicnet_registration',
> > $row['nnet_user_registrationnumber'], 0, '/');
> > >    @mysql_free_result($query);
> > >    mysql_close($dbConn) or die('Could not close db');
> > >    $html .= $font . '<font color=000099>Takk for logging inn.  For
> > forsatte ' .
> > >             "<a
> >
href=http://$serverName/index.php?content=membersites/Palogget%20S1.php "
> .
> > >             '  target=_top>klikk her</a></font></font>';
> > >   } else if (sizeof($_POST) > 0) {
> > >    $errorMsg .= $font . '<font color=cc0000><li>Det finns en problem
> > med db</li></font></font><p>';
> > >    $hasLoggedIn = 0;
> > >   }
> > >
> > >
> > > Because the PHP script is in a frame, instead of using header() I
> > print out some text with a link <a href=mylink.php target=_top> for the
> > user to click and to go to another page.  By then the cookie should be
> > registered, yet it's not there!
> > >
> > > I'm at a complete loss.
> > >
> > > Phil
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> 





From bpang at bpang.com  Sat Sep  6 15:42:48 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 15:42:48 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
Message-ID: <E19vixM-0000nV-BF@rslrs1-server.com>

Phil, let's take this off list.

sorry for the extra posts, folks

-brian


From soazine at erols.com  Sat Sep  6 15:42:33 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 15:42:33 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
References: <E19vide-0007O0-Tf@rslrs1-server.com>
Message-ID: <05b601c374af$04353300$67a76244@philofsoa>

I am now convinced that I am not meant to code.

I did your solution and it failed.  However, when I used a solution that
earlier FAILED in registering.php (the header() solution) it WORKED in
logginn.php!

BUT.. setcookie() WORKS in registrering.php and FAILS in logginn.php

Hans? Anyone? Explain that one!

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Pang" <bpang at bpang.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????


> Phil, can you send me your url so I can try it in my browser?
>
> I maintain my recommendation that you should quote the cookie value you
> wish to set.
>
> setcookie('nordicnet_registration',
> "$row['nnet_user_registrationnumber']", 0, '/');
>
>
> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> >
> >
> > Fourth attempt.. it fails now in login, I check by printing
> $_COOKIE['nordicnet_registration'] and there is no value there!  Guys,
> what on earth do I do about this????
> >
> > Here is the code that sets the cookie:
> >
> > if ($hasLoggedIn && ($row = mysql_fetch_row($query))) {
> >    setcookie('nordicnet_registration',
> $row['nnet_user_registrationnumber'], 0, '/');
> >    @mysql_free_result($query);
> >    mysql_close($dbConn) or die('Could not close db');
> >    $html .= $font . '<font color=000099>Takk for logging inn.  For
> forsatte ' .
> >             "<a
> href=http://$serverName/index.php?content=membersites/Palogget%20S1.php "
.
> >             '  target=_top>klikk her</a></font></font>';
> >   } else if (sizeof($_POST) > 0) {
> >    $errorMsg .= $font . '<font color=cc0000><li>Det finns en problem
> med db</li></font></font><p>';
> >    $hasLoggedIn = 0;
> >   }
> >
> >
> > Because the PHP script is in a frame, instead of using header() I
> print out some text with a link <a href=mylink.php target=_top> for the
> user to click and to go to another page.  By then the cookie should be
> registered, yet it's not there!
> >
> > I'm at a complete loss.
> >
> > Phil
> >
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From pat at vote.com  Sat Sep  6 15:52:33 2003
From: pat at vote.com (Patrick Hunt)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 15:52:33 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
In-Reply-To: <058501c374ac$92268220$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <20030906195232.2749DA8611@virtu.nyphp.org>

Phil,

when I follow your login instructions I get the following header
back from the login:

HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 19:44:59 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) PHP/4.3.0 mod_gzip/1.3.19.1a
FrontPage/5.0.2.2510 mod_layout/3.2
X-Powered-By: PHP/4.3.0
Set-Cookie: nordicnet_registration=deleted; expires=Fri,
06-Sep-2002 19:44:58 GMT; path=/
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html

I think a different line of code is executing, cuz there's a date
there, and it's a year old, which explains why it's not taking.

Pat

-------------------------------

On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 15:25:02 -0400, Phil Powell wrote:

>http://www.nordicnet.no go to "Logg inn" and enter this username and
>password:
>
>ppowell100001
>6vKYtEwM
>
>You should see a text with link, click onto the link and then either you'll
>go to the right URL or to logginn.php again (the WRONG URL!)
>
>Phil
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Brian Pang" <bpang at bpang.com>
>To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
>Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 3:22 PM
>Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
>
>
>> Phil, can you send me your url so I can try it in my browser?
>>
>> I maintain my recommendation that you should quote the cookie value you
>> wish to set.
>>
>> setcookie('nordicnet_registration',
>> "$row['nnet_user_registrationnumber']", 0, '/');
>>
>>
>> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>> >
>> >
>> > Fourth attempt.. it fails now in login, I check by printing
>> $_COOKIE['nordicnet_registration'] and there is no value there!  Guys,
>> what on earth do I do about this????
>> >
>> > Here is the code that sets the cookie:
>> >
>> > if ($hasLoggedIn && ($row = mysql_fetch_row($query))) {
>> >    setcookie('nordicnet_registration',
>> $row['nnet_user_registrationnumber'], 0, '/');
>> >    @mysql_free_result($query);
>> >    mysql_close($dbConn) or die('Could not close db');
>> >    $html .= $font . '<font color=000099>Takk for logging inn.  For
>> forsatte ' .
>> >             "<a
>> href=http://$serverName/index.php?content=membersites/Palogget%20S1.php "
>.
>> >             '  target=_top>klikk her</a></font></font>';
>> >   } else if (sizeof($_POST) > 0) {
>> >    $errorMsg .= $font . '<font color=cc0000><li>Det finns en problem
>> med db</li></font></font><p>';
>> >    $hasLoggedIn = 0;
>> >   }
>> >
>> >
>> > Because the PHP script is in a frame, instead of using header() I
>> print out some text with a link <a href=mylink.php target=_top> for the
>> user to click and to go to another page.  By then the cookie should be
>> registered, yet it's not there!
>> >
>> > I'm at a complete loss.
>> >
>> > Phil
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> talk mailing list
>> talk at lists.nyphp.org
>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>




From soazine at erols.com  Sat Sep  6 15:53:49 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 15:53:49 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
References: <20030906195232.2749DA8611@virtu.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <05dc01c374b0$972f2020$67a76244@philofsoa>

Pat, how did you do that?  I've never been able to figure out how to obtain
headers like that from my browser.

:(

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick Hunt" <pat at vote.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????


> Phil,
>
> when I follow your login instructions I get the following header
> back from the login:
>
> HTTP/1.1 200 OK
> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 19:44:59 GMT
> Server: Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) PHP/4.3.0 mod_gzip/1.3.19.1a
> FrontPage/5.0.2.2510 mod_layout/3.2
> X-Powered-By: PHP/4.3.0
> Set-Cookie: nordicnet_registration=deleted; expires=Fri,
> 06-Sep-2002 19:44:58 GMT; path=/
> Connection: close
> Content-Type: text/html
>
> I think a different line of code is executing, cuz there's a date
> there, and it's a year old, which explains why it's not taking.
>
> Pat
>
> -------------------------------
>
> On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 15:25:02 -0400, Phil Powell wrote:
>
> >http://www.nordicnet.no go to "Logg inn" and enter this username and
> >password:
> >
> >ppowell100001
> >6vKYtEwM
> >
> >You should see a text with link, click onto the link and then either
you'll
> >go to the right URL or to logginn.php again (the WRONG URL!)
> >
> >Phil
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Brian Pang" <bpang at bpang.com>
> >To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> >Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 3:22 PM
> >Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
> >
> >
> >> Phil, can you send me your url so I can try it in my browser?
> >>
> >> I maintain my recommendation that you should quote the cookie value you
> >> wish to set.
> >>
> >> setcookie('nordicnet_registration',
> >> "$row['nnet_user_registrationnumber']", 0, '/');
> >>
> >>
> >> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Fourth attempt.. it fails now in login, I check by printing
> >> $_COOKIE['nordicnet_registration'] and there is no value there!  Guys,
> >> what on earth do I do about this????
> >> >
> >> > Here is the code that sets the cookie:
> >> >
> >> > if ($hasLoggedIn && ($row = mysql_fetch_row($query))) {
> >> >    setcookie('nordicnet_registration',
> >> $row['nnet_user_registrationnumber'], 0, '/');
> >> >    @mysql_free_result($query);
> >> >    mysql_close($dbConn) or die('Could not close db');
> >> >    $html .= $font . '<font color=000099>Takk for logging inn.  For
> >> forsatte ' .
> >> >             "<a
> >> href=http://$serverName/index.php?content=membersites/Palogget%20S1.php
"
> >.
> >> >             '  target=_top>klikk her</a></font></font>';
> >> >   } else if (sizeof($_POST) > 0) {
> >> >    $errorMsg .= $font . '<font color=cc0000><li>Det finns en problem
> >> med db</li></font></font><p>';
> >> >    $hasLoggedIn = 0;
> >> >   }
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Because the PHP script is in a frame, instead of using header() I
> >> print out some text with a link <a href=mylink.php target=_top> for the
> >> user to click and to go to another page.  By then the cookie should be
> >> registered, yet it's not there!
> >> >
> >> > I'm at a complete loss.
> >> >
> >> > Phil
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> talk mailing list
> >> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> >> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >talk mailing list
> >talk at lists.nyphp.org
> >http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From pat at vote.com  Sat Sep  6 15:56:19 2003
From: pat at vote.com (Patrick Hunt)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 15:56:19 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
In-Reply-To: <05dc01c374b0$972f2020$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <20030906195617.326B5A8651@virtu.nyphp.org>

I didn't use a browser. I used a debugging tool. If you're running
windows I can send you a copy, but I don't know of a similar tool
for *NIX.

pat

------------------------------

On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 15:53:49 -0400, Phil Powell wrote:

>Pat, how did you do that?  I've never been able to figure out how to obtain
>headers like that from my browser.
>
>:(
>
>Phil
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Patrick Hunt" <pat at vote.com>
>To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
>Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 3:52 PM
>Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
>
>
>> Phil,
>>
>> when I follow your login instructions I get the following header
>> back from the login:
>>
>> HTTP/1.1 200 OK
>> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 19:44:59 GMT
>> Server: Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) PHP/4.3.0 mod_gzip/1.3.19.1a
>> FrontPage/5.0.2.2510 mod_layout/3.2
>> X-Powered-By: PHP/4.3.0
>> Set-Cookie: nordicnet_registration=deleted; expires=Fri,
>> 06-Sep-2002 19:44:58 GMT; path=/
>> Connection: close
>> Content-Type: text/html
>>
>> I think a different line of code is executing, cuz there's a date
>> there, and it's a year old, which explains why it's not taking.
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> -------------------------------
>>
>> On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 15:25:02 -0400, Phil Powell wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.nordicnet.no go to "Logg inn" and enter this username and
>> >password:
>> >
>> >ppowell100001
>> >6vKYtEwM
>> >
>> >You should see a text with link, click onto the link and then either
>you'll
>> >go to the right URL or to logginn.php again (the WRONG URL!)
>> >
>> >Phil
>> >----- Original Message ----- 
>> >From: "Brian Pang" <bpang at bpang.com>
>> >To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
>> >Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 3:22 PM
>> >Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
>> >
>> >
>> >> Phil, can you send me your url so I can try it in my browser?
>> >>
>> >> I maintain my recommendation that you should quote the cookie value you
>> >> wish to set.
>> >>
>> >> setcookie('nordicnet_registration',
>> >> "$row['nnet_user_registrationnumber']", 0, '/');
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Fourth attempt.. it fails now in login, I check by printing
>> >> $_COOKIE['nordicnet_registration'] and there is no value there!  Guys,
>> >> what on earth do I do about this????
>> >> >
>> >> > Here is the code that sets the cookie:
>> >> >
>> >> > if ($hasLoggedIn && ($row = mysql_fetch_row($query))) {
>> >> >    setcookie('nordicnet_registration',
>> >> $row['nnet_user_registrationnumber'], 0, '/');
>> >> >    @mysql_free_result($query);
>> >> >    mysql_close($dbConn) or die('Could not close db');
>> >> >    $html .= $font . '<font color=000099>Takk for logging inn.  For
>> >> forsatte ' .
>> >> >             "<a
>> >> href=http://$serverName/index.php?content=membersites/Palogget%20S1.php
>"
>> >.
>> >> >             '  target=_top>klikk her</a></font></font>';
>> >> >   } else if (sizeof($_POST) > 0) {
>> >> >    $errorMsg .= $font . '<font color=cc0000><li>Det finns en problem
>> >> med db</li></font></font><p>';
>> >> >    $hasLoggedIn = 0;
>> >> >   }
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Because the PHP script is in a frame, instead of using header() I
>> >> print out some text with a link <a href=mylink.php target=_top> for the
>> >> user to click and to go to another page.  By then the cookie should be
>> >> registered, yet it's not there!
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm at a complete loss.
>> >> >
>> >> > Phil
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> talk mailing list
>> >> talk at lists.nyphp.org
>> >> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>> >
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >talk mailing list
>> >talk at lists.nyphp.org
>> >http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>> >
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> talk mailing list
>> talk at lists.nyphp.org
>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>




From bpang at bpang.com  Sat Sep  6 16:00:07 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 16:00:07 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
Message-ID: <E19vjE7-0002H6-3X@rslrs1-server.com>

good catch, tho my cookie manager shows expiration at end of session


> Phil,
> 
> when I follow your login instructions I get the following header
> back from the login:
> 
> HTTP/1.1 200 OK
> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 19:44:59 GMT
> Server: Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) PHP/4.3.0 mod_gzip/1.3.19.1a
> FrontPage/5.0.2.2510 mod_layout/3.2
> X-Powered-By: PHP/4.3.0
> Set-Cookie: nordicnet_registration=deleted; expires=Fri,
> 06-Sep-2002 19:44:58 GMT; path=/
> Connection: close
> Content-Type: text/html
> 
> I think a different line of code is executing, cuz there's a date
> there, and it's a year old, which explains why it's not taking.
> 
> Pat
> 
> -------------------------------
> 
> On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 15:25:02 -0400, Phil Powell wrote:
> 
> >http://www.nordicnet.no go to "Logg inn" and enter this username and
> >password:
> >
> >ppowell100001
> >6vKYtEwM
> >
> >You should see a text with link, click onto the link and then either
you'll
> >go to the right URL or to logginn.php again (the WRONG URL!)
> >
> >Phil
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Brian Pang" <bpang at bpang.com>
> >To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> >Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 3:22 PM
> >Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
> >
> >
> >> Phil, can you send me your url so I can try it in my browser?
> >>
> >> I maintain my recommendation that you should quote the cookie value you
> >> wish to set.
> >>
> >> setcookie('nordicnet_registration',
> >> "$row['nnet_user_registrationnumber']", 0, '/');
> >>
> >>
> >> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Fourth attempt.. it fails now in login, I check by printing
> >> $_COOKIE['nordicnet_registration'] and there is no value there!  Guys,
> >> what on earth do I do about this????
> >> >
> >> > Here is the code that sets the cookie:
> >> >
> >> > if ($hasLoggedIn && ($row = mysql_fetch_row($query))) {
> >> >    setcookie('nordicnet_registration',
> >> $row['nnet_user_registrationnumber'], 0, '/');
> >> >    @mysql_free_result($query);
> >> >    mysql_close($dbConn) or die('Could not close db');
> >> >    $html .= $font . '<font color=000099>Takk for logging inn.  For
> >> forsatte ' .
> >> >             "<a
> >>
href=http://$serverName/index.php?content=membersites/Palogget%20S1.php "
> >.
> >> >             '  target=_top>klikk her</a></font></font>';
> >> >   } else if (sizeof($_POST) > 0) {
> >> >    $errorMsg .= $font . '<font color=cc0000><li>Det finns en problem
> >> med db</li></font></font><p>';
> >> >    $hasLoggedIn = 0;
> >> >   }
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Because the PHP script is in a frame, instead of using header() I
> >> print out some text with a link <a href=mylink.php target=_top> for the
> >> user to click and to go to another page.  By then the cookie should be
> >> registered, yet it's not there!
> >> >
> >> > I'm at a complete loss.
> >> >
> >> > Phil
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> talk mailing list
> >> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> >> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >talk mailing list
> >talk at lists.nyphp.org
> >http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> 





From soazine at erols.com  Sat Sep  6 16:06:31 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:06:31 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
References: <20030906195617.326B5A8651@virtu.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <05e701c374b2$5d99ff40$67a76244@philofsoa>

Please do I'm running Win2000 Pro! Takk s? meget

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick Hunt" <pat at vote.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????


> I didn't use a browser. I used a debugging tool. If you're running
> windows I can send you a copy, but I don't know of a similar tool
> for *NIX.
>
> pat
>
> ------------------------------
>
> On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 15:53:49 -0400, Phil Powell wrote:
>
> >Pat, how did you do that?  I've never been able to figure out how to
obtain
> >headers like that from my browser.
> >
> >:(
> >
> >Phil
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Patrick Hunt" <pat at vote.com>
> >To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> >Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 3:52 PM
> >Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
> >
> >
> >> Phil,
> >>
> >> when I follow your login instructions I get the following header
> >> back from the login:
> >>
> >> HTTP/1.1 200 OK
> >> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 19:44:59 GMT
> >> Server: Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) PHP/4.3.0 mod_gzip/1.3.19.1a
> >> FrontPage/5.0.2.2510 mod_layout/3.2
> >> X-Powered-By: PHP/4.3.0
> >> Set-Cookie: nordicnet_registration=deleted; expires=Fri,
> >> 06-Sep-2002 19:44:58 GMT; path=/
> >> Connection: close
> >> Content-Type: text/html
> >>
> >> I think a different line of code is executing, cuz there's a date
> >> there, and it's a year old, which explains why it's not taking.
> >>
> >> Pat
> >>
> >> -------------------------------
> >>
> >> On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 15:25:02 -0400, Phil Powell wrote:
> >>
> >> >http://www.nordicnet.no go to "Logg inn" and enter this username and
> >> >password:
> >> >
> >> >ppowell100001
> >> >6vKYtEwM
> >> >
> >> >You should see a text with link, click onto the link and then either
> >you'll
> >> >go to the right URL or to logginn.php again (the WRONG URL!)
> >> >
> >> >Phil
> >> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >> >From: "Brian Pang" <bpang at bpang.com>
> >> >To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> >> >Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 3:22 PM
> >> >Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Phil, can you send me your url so I can try it in my browser?
> >> >>
> >> >> I maintain my recommendation that you should quote the cookie value
you
> >> >> wish to set.
> >> >>
> >> >> setcookie('nordicnet_registration',
> >> >> "$row['nnet_user_registrationnumber']", 0, '/');
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Fourth attempt.. it fails now in login, I check by printing
> >> >> $_COOKIE['nordicnet_registration'] and there is no value there!
Guys,
> >> >> what on earth do I do about this????
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Here is the code that sets the cookie:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > if ($hasLoggedIn && ($row = mysql_fetch_row($query))) {
> >> >> >    setcookie('nordicnet_registration',
> >> >> $row['nnet_user_registrationnumber'], 0, '/');
> >> >> >    @mysql_free_result($query);
> >> >> >    mysql_close($dbConn) or die('Could not close db');
> >> >> >    $html .= $font . '<font color=000099>Takk for logging inn.  For
> >> >> forsatte ' .
> >> >> >             "<a
> >> >>
href=http://$serverName/index.php?content=membersites/Palogget%20S1.php
> >"
> >> >.
> >> >> >             '  target=_top>klikk her</a></font></font>';
> >> >> >   } else if (sizeof($_POST) > 0) {
> >> >> >    $errorMsg .= $font . '<font color=cc0000><li>Det finns en
problem
> >> >> med db</li></font></font><p>';
> >> >> >    $hasLoggedIn = 0;
> >> >> >   }
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Because the PHP script is in a frame, instead of using header() I
> >> >> print out some text with a link <a href=mylink.php target=_top> for
the
> >> >> user to click and to go to another page.  By then the cookie should
be
> >> >> registered, yet it's not there!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'm at a complete loss.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Phil
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> talk mailing list
> >> >> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> >> >> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >> >
> >> >_______________________________________________
> >> >talk mailing list
> >> >talk at lists.nyphp.org
> >> >http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> talk mailing list
> >> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> >> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >talk mailing list
> >talk at lists.nyphp.org
> >http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From soazine at erols.com  Sat Sep  6 16:08:05 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:08:05 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
References: <20030906195232.2749DA8611@virtu.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <05f301c374b2$956e2450$67a76244@philofsoa>

I closed and reopened my browser to refresh settings, and then I go to
logginn.php to log in.  I don't know what other line of code is running, but
at this point I'm going to just totally violate protocol and dump the entire
script to you to see.

Phil

<?


require_once('/home/nordicnet.no/include/nordicnet_global_vars_functions.php
');

  $html = ''; // TO USE FOR DISPLAY UPON SUCCESSFUL LOGIN OR OTHERWISE IS
BLANK

  // OPEN DB CONNECTION IF hasLoggedIn IS TRUE
  if ($hasLoggedIn) {
   $dbConn = mysql_connect($dbServer, $dbUsername, $dbPassword) or
die('Could not connect to db server');
   if (!mysql_select_db($dbName, $dbConn)) die('Could not select db');
  }


/*--------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------
    Server-side validation block - check for username and password in db and
return results
    back - if true redirect to Palogget%20S1.php, otherwise, stay here and
prompt for correct
    username/password
  --------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------*/
  if ($hasLoggedIn && strlen($brukernavn) == 0) {
   $hasLoggedIn = 0;
   $errorMsg .= $font . '<font color=cc0000><li>Skikka din brukernavn,
takk!</li></font></font><p>';
  }

  if ($hasLoggedIn && strlen($passord) == 0) {
   $hasLoggedIn = 0;
   $errorMsg .= $font . '<font color=cc0000><li>Skikka din passord,
takk!</li></font></font><p>';
  }

  if ($hasLoggedIn) {
   $sql = 'SELECT nnet_user_registrationnumber FROM nnet_usermetadata ' .
          'WHERE nnet_username = \'' . $brukernavn . '\' ' .
          ' AND nnet_password = \'' . $passord . '\' ';
   $query = mysql_query($sql) or die('Could not perform query');
   if (mysql_num_rows($query) == 0) {
    $hasLoggedIn = 0;
    $errorMsg .= $font . '<font color=cc0000><li>Vi kann ikke tykka
brukernavnen eller passorden '.
                 ' inn v&#229;r db</li></font></font><p>';
   }
  }
  //---END OF SERVER-SIDE VALIDATION
BLOCK-------------------------------------------------------------


  // IF hasLoggedIn IS STILL TRUE WE FOUND THEIR LOGIN INFORMATION - CLOSE
UP, SET COOKIE AND REDIRECT
  if ($hasLoggedIn && ($row = mysql_fetch_row($query))) {
   //setcookie('nordicnet_registration',
"$row['nnet_user_registrationnumber']", 0, '/');
   header("Set-Cookie:nordicnet_registration={" .
$row['nnet_user_registrationnumber'] . "}; path=/");
   @mysql_free_result($query);
   mysql_close($dbConn) or die('Could not close db');
   $html .= $font . '<font color=000099>Takk for logging inn.  For forsatte
' .
            "<a href=/membersites/Palogget%20S1.php target=_top>klikk
her</a></font></font>";
  } else if (sizeof($_POST) > 0) {
   $errorMsg .= $font . '<font color=cc0000><li>Det finns en problem med
db</li></font></font><p>';
   $hasLoggedIn = 0;
  }

?>

<html>
<head>
<title><?= $brand ?>: Logg inn<? if ($hasLoggedIn) echo ' - Takk!';
?></title>
<link rel=stylesheet href=/stylesheets/nordicnet_style.css type=text/css>
</head>
<body><?

  if ($hasLoggedIn) {
   echo $html;
  } else {

?>

<script>
<!--

  function isValidLogin() {
   if (document.loginForm.brukernavn.value == "") {
    alert("Skikka din brukernavn, takk!");
    document.loginForm.brukernavn.focus();
    return false;
   } else if (document.loginForm.passord.value == "") {
    alert("Skikka din passord, takk!");
    document.loginForm.passord.focus();
    return false;
   }
  }

//-->
</script>
<?= $font ?>Logg inn til <?= $brand ?></font><?= $errorMsg ?>
<form name=loginForm method=post action="<?= $PHP_SELF ?>" onSubmit="return
isValidLogin()">
<div align=center>
<table border=0>
 <tr>
  <td colspan=2><?= $font . $req ?> - Obligatoriske felt</font></td>
 </tr>
 <tr>
  <td><?= $font . $req ?>Brukernavn:</font></td>
  <td><input name=brukernavn size=50 maxlength=255<?

   if (strlen($errorMsg) > 0) echo " value=\"$brukernavn\"";

?>></td>
 </tr>
 <tr>
  <td><?= $font . $req ?>Passord:</font></td>
  <td><input type=password name=passord size=50 maxlength=255></td>
 </tr>
 <tr>
  <td colspan=2><input type=submit name=skikka value="Logg inn"
class="blue_button"></td>
 </tr>
 <tr>
  <td colspan=2>
   <?= $font ?>Glemt du din passord? <a href=glemt_passord.php>Klikk
her</a></font>
  </td>
 </tr>
</table>
<input type=hidden name=hasLoggedIn value=1><?=
$_COOKIE['nordicnet_registration'] ?>
</form>
<?
  } // END OF CONDITIONAL TO DISPLAY LOGIN FORM IF NOT YET LOGGED IN

?>
</body>
</html>
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick Hunt" <pat at vote.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????


> Phil,
>
> when I follow your login instructions I get the following header
> back from the login:
>
> HTTP/1.1 200 OK
> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 19:44:59 GMT
> Server: Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) PHP/4.3.0 mod_gzip/1.3.19.1a
> FrontPage/5.0.2.2510 mod_layout/3.2
> X-Powered-By: PHP/4.3.0
> Set-Cookie: nordicnet_registration=deleted; expires=Fri,
> 06-Sep-2002 19:44:58 GMT; path=/
> Connection: close
> Content-Type: text/html
>
> I think a different line of code is executing, cuz there's a date
> there, and it's a year old, which explains why it's not taking.
>
> Pat
>
> -------------------------------
>
> On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 15:25:02 -0400, Phil Powell wrote:
>
> >http://www.nordicnet.no go to "Logg inn" and enter this username and
> >password:
> >
> >ppowell100001
> >6vKYtEwM
> >
> >You should see a text with link, click onto the link and then either
you'll
> >go to the right URL or to logginn.php again (the WRONG URL!)
> >
> >Phil
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Brian Pang" <bpang at bpang.com>
> >To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> >Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 3:22 PM
> >Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
> >
> >
> >> Phil, can you send me your url so I can try it in my browser?
> >>
> >> I maintain my recommendation that you should quote the cookie value you
> >> wish to set.
> >>
> >> setcookie('nordicnet_registration',
> >> "$row['nnet_user_registrationnumber']", 0, '/');
> >>
> >>
> >> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Fourth attempt.. it fails now in login, I check by printing
> >> $_COOKIE['nordicnet_registration'] and there is no value there!  Guys,
> >> what on earth do I do about this????
> >> >
> >> > Here is the code that sets the cookie:
> >> >
> >> > if ($hasLoggedIn && ($row = mysql_fetch_row($query))) {
> >> >    setcookie('nordicnet_registration',
> >> $row['nnet_user_registrationnumber'], 0, '/');
> >> >    @mysql_free_result($query);
> >> >    mysql_close($dbConn) or die('Could not close db');
> >> >    $html .= $font . '<font color=000099>Takk for logging inn.  For
> >> forsatte ' .
> >> >             "<a
> >> href=http://$serverName/index.php?content=membersites/Palogget%20S1.php
"
> >.
> >> >             '  target=_top>klikk her</a></font></font>';
> >> >   } else if (sizeof($_POST) > 0) {
> >> >    $errorMsg .= $font . '<font color=cc0000><li>Det finns en problem
> >> med db</li></font></font><p>';
> >> >    $hasLoggedIn = 0;
> >> >   }
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Because the PHP script is in a frame, instead of using header() I
> >> print out some text with a link <a href=mylink.php target=_top> for the
> >> user to click and to go to another page.  By then the cookie should be
> >> registered, yet it's not there!
> >> >
> >> > I'm at a complete loss.
> >> >
> >> > Phil
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> talk mailing list
> >> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> >> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >talk mailing list
> >talk at lists.nyphp.org
> >http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From wfan at encogent.com  Sat Sep  6 16:11:14 2003
From: wfan at encogent.com (Wellington Fan)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:11:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
In-Reply-To: <20030906195617.326B5A8651@virtu.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <NGBBIDLNCJJKIBJPNEHEGEHGEBAA.wfan@encogent.com>

SamSpade is a gret little utility for windows that will allow  you to examine
hte headers returned from a HTTP request:
http://www.samspade.org/

--
Wellington




> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Patrick Hunt
> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 3:56 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
>
>
> I didn't use a browser. I used a debugging tool. If you're running
> windows I can send you a copy, but I don't know of a similar tool
> for *NIX.
>
> pat



From csnyder at chxo.com  Sat Sep  6 16:18:05 2003
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 16:18:05 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
In-Reply-To: <NGBBIDLNCJJKIBJPNEHEGEHGEBAA.wfan@encogent.com>
References: <NGBBIDLNCJJKIBJPNEHEGEHGEBAA.wfan@encogent.com>
Message-ID: <3F5A40FD.5060508@chxo.com>

I'd like to recommend Mozilla with the Live HTTP Headers tool:
http://livehttpheaders.mozdev.org/

It's saved my sanity on a number of occasions.

    csnyder

Wellington Fan wrote:

>SamSpade is a gret little utility for windows that will allow  you to examine
>hte headers returned from a HTTP request:
>http://www.samspade.org/
>
>--
>Wellington
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
>>[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Patrick Hunt
>>Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 3:56 PM
>>To: NYPHP Talk
>>Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
>>
>>
>>I didn't use a browser. I used a debugging tool. If you're running
>>windows I can send you a copy, but I don't know of a similar tool
>>for *NIX.
>>
>>pat
>>    
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>  
>



From soazine at erols.com  Sat Sep  6 16:19:27 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:19:27 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
References: <NGBBIDLNCJJKIBJPNEHEGEHGEBAA.wfan@encogent.com>
Message-ID: <05fb01c374b4$2be180c0$67a76244@philofsoa>

Thanx.. but I can't find the utility, unless you refer to the online
decipher.  I can't check Palogget%20S1.php either :(

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wellington Fan" <wfan at encogent.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 4:11 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????


> SamSpade is a gret little utility for windows that will allow  you to
examine
> hte headers returned from a HTTP request:
> http://www.samspade.org/
>
> --
> Wellington
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
> > [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Patrick Hunt
> > Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 3:56 PM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
> >
> >
> > I didn't use a browser. I used a debugging tool. If you're running
> > windows I can send you a copy, but I don't know of a similar tool
> > for *NIX.
> >
> > pat
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From soazine at erols.com  Sat Sep  6 16:20:52 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:20:52 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
References: <NGBBIDLNCJJKIBJPNEHEGEHGEBAA.wfan@encogent.com>
	<3F5A40FD.5060508@chxo.com>
Message-ID: <060301c374b4$5ebe2200$67a76244@philofsoa>

Apparently my sanity is not to be saved.  I can't install it, I get
Javascript errors on the page! :(

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Snyder" <csnyder at chxo.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????


> I'd like to recommend Mozilla with the Live HTTP Headers tool:
> http://livehttpheaders.mozdev.org/
>
> It's saved my sanity on a number of occasions.
>
>     csnyder
>
> Wellington Fan wrote:
>
> >SamSpade is a gret little utility for windows that will allow  you to
examine
> >hte headers returned from a HTTP request:
> >http://www.samspade.org/
> >
> >--
> >Wellington
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
> >>[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Patrick Hunt
> >>Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 3:56 PM
> >>To: NYPHP Talk
> >>Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
> >>
> >>
> >>I didn't use a browser. I used a debugging tool. If you're running
> >>windows I can send you a copy, but I don't know of a similar tool
> >>for *NIX.
> >>
> >>pat
> >>
> >>
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >talk mailing list
> >talk at lists.nyphp.org
> >http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From bpang at bpang.com  Sat Sep  6 16:23:44 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 16:23:44 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
Message-ID: <E19vjay-0004Ju-Q6@rslrs1-server.com>

umm, with this piece of code the only instance of setcookie that I see
is commented out



From soazine at erols.com  Sat Sep  6 16:28:18 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:28:18 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
References: <E19vjay-0004Ju-Q6@rslrs1-server.com>
Message-ID: <063401c374b5$6835e150$67a76244@philofsoa>

OK this is how I did my test:

1) I go to registrering.php and register fully, thereby setting the
nordicnet_registration cookie.  It's all set, everything is fine (uses
setcookie() with 0 time).

2) I close my browser

3) I reboot computer (just for safety sake)

4) I reopen my browser and go to logginn.php

5) I log in, however, setcookie() this time does NOT work, the cookie is not
set because AFTER I click the link to go to another page the
$_COOKIE['nordicnet_registration'] value is empty, thus, no cookie. HOWEVER,
header() DOES work in logginn.php!

6) I change the code in registrering.php to do header() instead of
setcookie() (remember: setcookie() works, header() does NOT work in
registrering.php)

7) I close the browser

8) I reboot computer

9) I reopen browser

10) I go to registrering.php Now THIS TIME I have header() and NOT
setcookie() instead of the reverse. I register under a new name and email..
Registration is complete, the cookie SHOULD be set.  I get a link to click.
I click the link, go to my next page.. AND NO COOKIE!

So.. this is what happens:

registrering.php:

Register -> setcookie('stuff', $stuff, 0, '/') WORKS -> click link -> there
is the cookie!

Register -> header() FAILS -> click link -> NO COOKIE

logginn.php:

Login -> setcookie('stuff', $stuff, 0, '/') FAILS -> click link -> NO COOKIE

Login -> header() WORKS -> click link -> there is the cookie!

Phil
"Janwillem Borleffs" <jwb at jwbfoto.demon.nl> wrote in message
news:3f5a3e0e$0$28899$1b62eedf at news.euronet.nl...
>
> "Phil Powell" <soazine at erols.com> schreef in bericht
> news:AIq6b.126697$xf.39169 at lakeread04...
> > Ok I've had it!  PHP is losing its superiority status at this point! I
am
> > beginning to HATE this language!!!!!!!!
> >
>
> PHP, nor any other language can teach the programmer the proper and
logical
> way of thinking. When you know that the third argument of a function that
> creates a cookie sets its life time, you must realize that you should pass
> it a value larger then zero to create it.
>
> > I did what you suggested and it worked.. but why is it that in
logginn.php
> > your header() solution worked, but it FAILED it registrering.php to do
the
> > EXACT SAME THING! However, THIS worked in registrering.php but FAILED in
> > logginn.php:
> >
> >    setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $registrationNumber, 0, '/');
> >
>
> Then you are probably facing a conflict with cookie names which overwrite
> each other. Try other names to test this, eg:
>
>     header("Set-Cookie: nordicnet_registration=1; path=/");
>
> in registering.php and
>
>     header("Set-Cookie: nordicnet_registration2=1; path=/");
>
> in login.php.
>
> Also, don't forget that once a cookie has been created, it will only be
> available after a reload of the page.
>
> So:
>
> <?
>     header("Set-Cookie: nordicnet_registration=1; path=/");
>     echo $_COOKIE['nordictnet_registration'];
> ?>
>
> Displays nothing.
>
>
> JW
>
>
>
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Pang" <bpang at bpang.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????


> umm, with this piece of code the only instance of setcookie that I see
> is commented out
>
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> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From soazine at erols.com  Sat Sep  6 16:28:50 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:28:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
References: <E19vjay-0004Ju-Q6@rslrs1-server.com>
Message-ID: <063801c374b5$7b6b2d70$67a76244@philofsoa>

here it is again:

<?


require_once('/home/nordicnet.no/include/nordicnet_global_vars_functions.php
');

  $html = ''; // TO USE FOR DISPLAY UPON SUCCESSFUL LOGIN OR OTHERWISE IS
BLANK

  // OPEN DB CONNECTION IF hasLoggedIn IS TRUE
  if ($hasLoggedIn) {
   $dbConn = mysql_connect($dbServer, $dbUsername, $dbPassword) or
die('Could not connect to db server');
   if (!mysql_select_db($dbName, $dbConn)) die('Could not select db');
  }


/*--------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------
    Server-side validation block - check for username and password in db and
return results
    back - if true redirect to Palogget%20S1.php, otherwise, stay here and
prompt for correct
    username/password
  --------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------*/
  if ($hasLoggedIn && strlen($brukernavn) == 0) {
   $hasLoggedIn = 0;
   $errorMsg .= $font . '<font color=cc0000><li>Skikka din brukernavn,
takk!</li></font></font><p>';
  }

  if ($hasLoggedIn && strlen($passord) == 0) {
   $hasLoggedIn = 0;
   $errorMsg .= $font . '<font color=cc0000><li>Skikka din passord,
takk!</li></font></font><p>';
  }

  if ($hasLoggedIn) {
   $sql = 'SELECT nnet_user_registrationnumber FROM nnet_usermetadata ' .
          'WHERE nnet_username = \'' . $brukernavn . '\' ' .
          ' AND nnet_password = \'' . $passord . '\' ';
   $query = mysql_query($sql) or die('Could not perform query');
   if (mysql_num_rows($query) == 0) {
    $hasLoggedIn = 0;
    $errorMsg .= $font . '<font color=cc0000><li>Vi kann ikke tykka
brukernavnen eller passorden '.
                 ' inn v&#229;r db</li></font></font><p>';
   }
  }
  //---END OF SERVER-SIDE VALIDATION
BLOCK-------------------------------------------------------------


  // IF hasLoggedIn IS STILL TRUE WE FOUND THEIR LOGIN INFORMATION - CLOSE
UP, SET COOKIE AND REDIRECT
  if ($hasLoggedIn && ($row = mysql_fetch_row($query))) {
   setcookie('nordicnet_registration',
"$row['nnet_user_registrationnumber']", 0, '/');
   //header("Set-Cookie:nordicnet_registration={" .
$row['nnet_user_registrationnumber'] . "}; path=/");
   @mysql_free_result($query);
   mysql_close($dbConn) or die('Could not close db');
   $html .= $font . '<font color=000099>Takk for logging inn.  For forsatte
' .
            "<a href=/membersites/Palogget%20S1.php target=_top>klikk
her</a></font></font>";
  } else if (sizeof($_POST) > 0) {
   $errorMsg .= $font . '<font color=cc0000><li>Det finns en problem med
db</li></font></font><p>';
   $hasLoggedIn = 0;
  }

?>

<html>
<head>
<title><?= $brand ?>: Logg inn<? if ($hasLoggedIn) echo ' - Takk!';
?></title>
<link rel=stylesheet href=/stylesheets/nordicnet_style.css type=text/css>
</head>
<body><?

  if ($hasLoggedIn) {
   echo $html;
  } else {

?>

<script>
<!--

  function isValidLogin() {
   if (document.loginForm.brukernavn.value == "") {
    alert("Skikka din brukernavn, takk!");
    document.loginForm.brukernavn.focus();
    return false;
   } else if (document.loginForm.passord.value == "") {
    alert("Skikka din passord, takk!");
    document.loginForm.passord.focus();
    return false;
   }
  }

//-->
</script>
<?= $font ?>Logg inn til <?= $brand ?></font><?= $errorMsg ?>
<form name=loginForm method=post action="<?= $PHP_SELF ?>" onSubmit="return
isValidLogin()">
<div align=center>
<table border=0>
 <tr>
  <td colspan=2><?= $font . $req ?> - Obligatoriske felt</font></td>
 </tr>
 <tr>
  <td><?= $font . $req ?>Brukernavn:</font></td>
  <td><input name=brukernavn size=50 maxlength=255<?

   if (strlen($errorMsg) > 0) echo " value=\"$brukernavn\"";

?>></td>
 </tr>
 <tr>
  <td><?= $font . $req ?>Passord:</font></td>
  <td><input type=password name=passord size=50 maxlength=255></td>
 </tr>
 <tr>
  <td colspan=2><input type=submit name=skikka value="Logg inn"
class="blue_button"></td>
 </tr>
 <tr>
  <td colspan=2>
   <?= $font ?>Glemt du din passord? <a href=glemt_passord.php>Klikk
her</a></font>
  </td>
 </tr>
</table>
<input type=hidden name=hasLoggedIn value=1><?=
$_COOKIE['nordicnet_registration'] ?>
</form>
<?
  } // END OF CONDITIONAL TO DISPLAY LOGIN FORM IF NOT YET LOGGED IN

?>
</body>
</html>

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Pang" <bpang at bpang.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????


> umm, with this piece of code the only instance of setcookie that I see
> is commented out
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From csnyder at chxo.com  Sat Sep  6 16:33:42 2003
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 16:33:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
In-Reply-To: <060301c374b4$5ebe2200$67a76244@philofsoa>
References: <NGBBIDLNCJJKIBJPNEHEGEHGEBAA.wfan@encogent.com>	<3F5A40FD.5060508@chxo.com>
	<060301c374b4$5ebe2200$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <3F5A44A6.3060505@chxo.com>

I should have been more clear maybe?
Live HTTP headers is a plugin for the Mozilla web browser, available at 
http://mozilla.org/
If you try the install link with Mozilla and you still get errors, then 
you need to upgrade. :-)

One other hopefully unrelated note concerning Internet Explorer and 
cookies-- IE can be set to reject cookies from sites that don't set a 
P3P privacy header. This probably isn't happening to you, but it's 
something to keep in the back of your head if some IE users get your 
cookies and others don't.

    csnyder

Phil Powell wrote:

>Apparently my sanity is not to be saved.  I can't install it, I get
>Javascript errors on the page! :(
>
>Phil
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Chris Snyder" <csnyder at chxo.com>
>To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
>Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 4:18 PM
>Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
>
>
>  
>
>>I'd like to recommend Mozilla with the Live HTTP Headers tool:
>>http://livehttpheaders.mozdev.org/
>>
>>It's saved my sanity on a number of occasions.
>>
>>    csnyder
>>
>>Wellington Fan wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>SamSpade is a gret little utility for windows that will allow  you to
>>>      
>>>
>examine
>  
>
>>>hte headers returned from a HTTP request:
>>>http://www.samspade.org/
>>>
>>>--
>>>Wellington
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
>>>>[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Patrick Hunt
>>>>Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 3:56 PM
>>>>To: NYPHP Talk
>>>>Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I didn't use a browser. I used a debugging tool. If you're running
>>>>windows I can send you a copy, but I don't know of a similar tool
>>>>for *NIX.
>>>>
>>>>pat
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>talk mailing list
>>>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>>>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>_______________________________________________
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>>
>
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>  
>



From pat at vote.com  Sat Sep  6 16:34:36 2003
From: pat at vote.com (Patrick Hunt)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 16:34:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
In-Reply-To: <063801c374b5$7b6b2d70$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <20030906203435.1A950A8611@virtu.nyphp.org>

for 

 header("Set-Cookie:nordicnet_registration={"
.$row['nnet_user_registrationnumber'] . "}; path=/");

I see 2 things:

1. Do you want the value wrapped in curly braces? If not, it should
be either:


header("Set-Cookie:nordicnet_registration={$row['nnet_user_registrat
ionnumber']}; path=/");
   or 
 header("Set-Cookie:nordicnet_registration="
.$row['nnet_user_registrationnumber'] . "; path=/");


2. I suspect the real problem is that
$row['nnet_user_registrationnumber'] is null. That would definitely
make the browser discard the cookie.



--Original Message Text---
From: Phil Powell
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:28:50 -0400

here 
again:

<?


require_once('/home/nordicnet.no/include/nordicnet_global_vars_funct
ions.php
');

  $html = ''; // TO USE FOR DISPLAY UPON SUCCESSFUL LOGIN OR
OTHERWISE IS
BLANK

  // OPEN DB CONNECTION IF hasLoggedIn IS TRUE
  if ($hasLoggedIn) {
   $dbConn = mysql_connect($dbServer, $dbUsername, $dbPassword) or
die('Could not connect to db server');
   if (!mysql_select_db($dbName, $dbConn)) die('Could not select
db')
}


/*------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
-----------------
    Server-side validation block - check for username and password
in db and
return results
    back - if true redirect to Palogget%20S1.php, otherwise, stay
here and
prompt for correct
    username/password
 
--------------------------------------------------------------------
------
------------------*/
  if ($hasLoggedIn && strlen($brukernavn) == 0) {
   $hasLoggedIn = 0;
   $errorMsg .= $font . '<font color=cc0000><li>Skikka din
brukernavn,
takk!</li></font></font><p>';
  }

  if ($hasLoggedIn && strlen($passord) == 0) {
   $hasLoggedIn = 0;
   $errorMsg .= $font . '<font color=cc0000><li>Skikka din passord,
takk!</li></font></font><p>';
  }

  if ($hasLoggedIn) {
   $sql = 'SELECT nnet_user_registrationnumber FROM
nnet_usermetadata ' .
          'WHERE nnet_username = \'' . $brukernavn . '\' ' .
          ' AND nnet_password = \'' . $passord . '\' ';
   $query = mysql_query($sql) or die('Could not perform query');
   if (mysql_num_rows($query) == 0) {
    $hasLoggedIn = 0;
    $errorMsg .= $font . '<font color=cc0000><li>Vi kann ikke tykka
brukernavnen eller passorden '.
                 ' inn v&#229;r db</li></font></font><p>';
   }
  }
  //---END OF SERVER-SIDE VALIDATION
BLOCK-------------------------------------------------------------


  // IF hasLoggedIn IS STILL TRUE WE FOUND THEIR LOGIN INFORMATION
- CLOSE
UP, SET COOKIE AND REDIRECT
  if ($hasLoggedIn && ($row = mysql_fetch_row($query))) {
   setcookie('nordicnet_registration',
"$row['nnet_user_registrationnumber']", 0, '/');
   //header("Set-Cookie:nordicnet_registration={" .
$row['nnet_user_registrationnumber'] . "}; path=/");
   @mysql_free_result($query);
   mysql_close($dbConn) or die('Could not close db');
   $html .= $font . '<font color=000099>Takk for logging inn.  For
forsatte
' .
            "<a href=/membersites/Palogget%20S1.php
target=_top>klikk
her</a></font></font>";
  } else if (sizeof($_POST) > 0) {
   $errorMsg .= $font . '<font color=cc0000><li>Det finns en
problem med
db</li></font></font><p>';
   $hasLoggedIn = 0;
  }

?>

: Logg inn Logg inn til  " onSubmit="return isValidLogin()"> -
Obligatoriske felt  Brukernavn:  0) echo " value=\"$brukernavn\"";
?>> Passord:  Glemt du din passord? Klikk her 

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Pang" <bpang at bpang.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????


> umm, with this piece of code the only instance of setcookie that I see
> is commented out
>
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> talk at lists.nyphp.org
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From bpang at bpang.com  Sat Sep  6 16:36:01 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 16:36:01 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
Message-ID: <E19vjmr-0005My-Ol@rslrs1-server.com>

perhaps you should start by using a common function for both
registration and login pages for setting the cookie

that way you have a better chance of isolating the problem, rather than
maintaining 2 separate pieces of code.

duoble-check your IE settings as Chris suggested as it all seemed to
work ok for me with Mozilla.



> here it is again:

<snipped>


From hans at nyphp.org  Sat Sep  6 16:37:24 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 16:37:24 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] A Cautionary Tale & then a question...
In-Reply-To: <41AED082-DFB7-11D7-BA7A-000393B9FB36@mac.com>
References: <41AED082-DFB7-11D7-BA7A-000393B9FB36@mac.com>
Message-ID: <3F5A4584.30203@nyphp.org>



Jeff Knight wrote:

> On Friday, September 5, 2003, at 11:30  AM, Chris Snyder wrote:
> 
>> Waitaminit!
>>
>> What if the version of PHP on the new server didn't support $_REQUEST? 
>> And had register_globals turned on?
>> I think you might get those results, then, eh?
>>
> 
> Since Hans is the administrator of the server, I highly doubt that that 
> is the case.

$_REQUEST is available, but register_globals is on :(

*duck*

It has to be on to support most third-parts apps.

> On Friday, September 5, 2003, at 11:27  AM, Chris Snyder wrote:
> 
>> If that's an "outside world" setup, I think I'm happy to stay in my 
>> own little self-contained niche where I can declare an array implicitly.
>> As far as I can tell, your original code would work on my servers.
> 
> 
> Events will always conspire to ensure that you will eventually come to 
> regret not maintaining portability. Machines get fried, ISP's go out of 
> business, somebody somewhere spills a drink and BAM! you've got to do 
> the little dance.

It seems register_globals still haunts us.  I think it's safe to say that register_globals was a *bad idea*.

H





From bpang at bpang.com  Sat Sep  6 16:38:41 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 16:38:41 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
Message-ID: <E19vjpR-0005ba-Ts@rslrs1-server.com>

it's quite possible that $row['nnet_user_registrationnumber'] null, but
my cookie was set with a value of
{}

which is not null, though probably not what was expected.
but would indicate that the var was null/empty/undefined/false

> 2. I suspect the real problem is that
> $row['nnet_user_registrationnumber'] is null. That would definitely
> make the browser discard the cookie.



From soazine at erols.com  Sat Sep  6 16:43:48 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:43:48 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
References: <E19vjpR-0005ba-Ts@rslrs1-server.com>
Message-ID: <067801c374b7$929bff40$67a76244@philofsoa>

Well this is how I solved it:

if ($hasLoggedIn && ($row = mysql_fetch_row($query)) {
 setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $row[0], 0, '/');
 ...
}

That works!! Apparently the problem was neither setcookie nor header, AND it
was BOTH!

Figure that one out, geniuses!!! ;)

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Pang" <bpang at bpang.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????


> it's quite possible that $row['nnet_user_registrationnumber'] null, but
> my cookie was set with a value of
> {}
>
> which is not null, though probably not what was expected.
> but would indicate that the var was null/empty/undefined/false
>
> > 2. I suspect the real problem is that
> > $row['nnet_user_registrationnumber'] is null. That would definitely
> > make the browser discard the cookie.
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From pat at vote.com  Sat Sep  6 16:48:02 2003
From: pat at vote.com (Patrick Hunt)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 16:48:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
In-Reply-To: <067801c374b7$929bff40$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <20030906204801.02A47A8611@virtu.nyphp.org>


you changed from $row['nnet_user_registrationnumber'] to $row[0].

I'd bet that the name of column 0 in the sql resulset isn't
'nnet_user_registrationnumber'

----------------------------------------------

On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:43:48 -0400, Phil Powell wrote:

>Well this is how I solved it:
>
>if ($hasLoggedIn && ($row = mysql_fetch_row($query)) {
> setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $row[0], 0, '/');
> ...
>}
>
>That works!! Apparently the problem was neither setcookie nor header, AND it
>was BOTH!
>
>Figure that one out, geniuses!!! ;)
>
>Phil
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Brian Pang" <bpang at bpang.com>
>To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
>Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 4:38 PM
>Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
>
>
>> it's quite possible that $row['nnet_user_registrationnumber'] null, but
>> my cookie was set with a value of
>> {}
>>
>> which is not null, though probably not what was expected.
>> but would indicate that the var was null/empty/undefined/false
>>
>> > 2. I suspect the real problem is that
>> > $row['nnet_user_registrationnumber'] is null. That would definitely
>> > make the browser discard the cookie.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> talk mailing list
>> talk at lists.nyphp.org
>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>_______________________________________________
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>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>




From soazine at erols.com  Sat Sep  6 16:49:31 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:49:31 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
References: <20030906204801.02A47A8611@virtu.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <069f01c374b8$5f516480$67a76244@philofsoa>

Nope it was that... check it out:

 if ($hasLoggedIn) {
   $sql = 'SELECT nnet_user_registrationnumber FROM nnet_usermetadata ' .
          'WHERE nnet_username = \'' . $brukernavn . '\' ' .
          ' AND nnet_password = \'' . $passord . '\' ';
   $query = mysql_query($sql) or die('Could not perform query');
   if (mysql_num_rows($query) == 0) {
    $hasLoggedIn = 0;
    $errorMsg .= $font . '<font color=cc0000><li>Vi kann ikke tykka
brukernavnen eller passorden '.
                 ' inn v&#229;r db</li></font></font><p>';
   }
  }
  //---END OF SERVER-SIDE VALIDATION
BLOCK-------------------------------------------------------------


  // IF hasLoggedIn IS STILL TRUE WE FOUND THEIR LOGIN INFORMATION - CLOSE
UP, SET COOKIE AND REDIRECT
  if ($hasLoggedIn && ($row = mysql_fetch_row($query))) {
   setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $row[0], 0, '/');
   @mysql_free_result($query);
   mysql_close($dbConn) or die('Could not close db');
   $html .= $font . '<font color=000099>Takk for logging inn.  For forsatte
' .
            "<a href=/membersites/Palogget%20S1.php target=_top>klikk
her</a></font></font>";
  } else if (sizeof($_POST) > 0) {
   $errorMsg .= $font . '<font color=cc0000><li>Det finns en problem med
db</li></font></font><p>';
   $hasLoggedIn = 0;
  }

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick Hunt" <pat at vote.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????


>
> you changed from $row['nnet_user_registrationnumber'] to $row[0].
>
> I'd bet that the name of column 0 in the sql resulset isn't
> 'nnet_user_registrationnumber'
>
> ----------------------------------------------
>
> On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:43:48 -0400, Phil Powell wrote:
>
> >Well this is how I solved it:
> >
> >if ($hasLoggedIn && ($row = mysql_fetch_row($query)) {
> > setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $row[0], 0, '/');
> > ...
> >}
> >
> >That works!! Apparently the problem was neither setcookie nor header, AND
it
> >was BOTH!
> >
> >Figure that one out, geniuses!!! ;)
> >
> >Phil
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Brian Pang" <bpang at bpang.com>
> >To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> >Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 4:38 PM
> >Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
> >
> >
> >> it's quite possible that $row['nnet_user_registrationnumber'] null, but
> >> my cookie was set with a value of
> >> {}
> >>
> >> which is not null, though probably not what was expected.
> >> but would indicate that the var was null/empty/undefined/false
> >>
> >> > 2. I suspect the real problem is that
> >> > $row['nnet_user_registrationnumber'] is null. That would definitely
> >> > make the browser discard the cookie.
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> talk mailing list
> >> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> >> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >talk mailing list
> >talk at lists.nyphp.org
> >http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From hans at nyphp.org  Sat Sep  6 16:52:03 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 16:52:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mail function slows down page loading
In-Reply-To: <200309051740.58361.brian@preston-campbell.com>
References: <002401c373f4$60229740$8d2c0242@peter1>
	<200309051740.58361.brian@preston-campbell.com>
Message-ID: <3F5A48F3.3020807@nyphp.org>



> IIRC in Perl
> /usr/sbin/sendmail -q
> will queue the message.  It may make a difference -- I may also be blowin 
> smoke.

The -q flag to sendmail proper will run the current queue.  You'd need something like:

sendmail -ODeliveryMode=q

Nevertheless, this wouldn't help all that much, Peter.  The lag you're seeing is because sendmail is verifying the recipient address, DNS, etc.  When a message is queued, this verification still takes place.  Simply, it's a real pain to avoid this delay when sending mail from PHP, running embedded in Apache.  Long story short, you need to fork() out to a daemon; and this is particularly true when sending large amounts of mail.  This might be a good FUNDAMENTALS topic sometime.

H





From bpang at bpang.com  Sat Sep  6 16:58:49 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 16:58:49 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
Message-ID: <E19vk8v-00077x-3Y@rslrs1-server.com>

Then perhaps the mysql fetch is not returning and ASSOCiative array or BOTH?

Does your mysql_connect or mysql_pconnect specify either of these flags?

are you able to use association to get other mysql fetched results?


> Nope it was that... check it out:
> 
> > you changed from $row['nnet_user_registrationnumber'] to $row[0].
> >
> > I'd bet that the name of column 0 in the sql resulset isn't
> > 'nnet_user_registrationnumber'
> >



From pat at vote.com  Sat Sep  6 17:02:12 2003
From: pat at vote.com (Patrick Hunt)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 17:02:12 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
In-Reply-To: <E19vk8v-00077x-3Y@rslrs1-server.com>
Message-ID: <20030906210240.54C43A8611@virtu.nyphp.org>

exactly.

phil used:

  if ($hasLoggedIn && ($row = mysql_fetch_row($query))) {

which does not return an associative array.

-------------------------------------

On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 16:58:49 -0400, Brian Pang wrote:

>Then perhaps the mysql fetch is not returning and ASSOCiative array or BOTH?
>
>Does your mysql_connect or mysql_pconnect specify either of these flags?
>
>are you able to use association to get other mysql fetched results?
>
>
>> Nope it was that... check it out:
>> 
>> > you changed from $row['nnet_user_registrationnumber'] to $row[0].
>> >
>> > I'd bet that the name of column 0 in the sql resulset isn't
>> > 'nnet_user_registrationnumber'
>> >
>
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>




From soazine at erols.com  Sat Sep  6 17:11:35 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 17:11:35 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] I'm on a roll, folks!
Message-ID: <06b601c374bb$746a0f40$67a76244@philofsoa>

loggout.php doesn't exactly redirect properly, and I have no idea what to do about it... I need to bust out of the frame and go to top, so, how do I do it?

Code that I have that fails:

<?

  require_once('/home/nordicnet.no/include/nordicnet_global_vars_functions.php');
 
  setcookie('nordicnet_registration', 0, time() - 86400, '/'); // DELETE COOKIE

?>

<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv=Refresh content="0;URL=http://<?= $serverName ?>/index.php">
<script>
<!--
  location.target = top;
  location.href = 'http://<?= $serverName ?>/index.php';
//-->
</script>
</head>
<body>
<?= $font ?>Om du er her <a href=http://<?= $serverName ?>/index.php>klikk her</a></font>
</body>
</html>

Phil
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From bpang at bpang.com  Sat Sep  6 17:13:14 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 17:13:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
Message-ID: <E19vkMs-0008Rd-CF@rslrs1-server.com>

now, why didn't we catch that sooner!?!?!

I guess I never attempt to use association from mysql fetched rows.

note: ASSOCiation (or BOTH; default) DOES work with mysql_fetch_array()



> exactly.
> 
> phil used:
> 
>   if ($hasLoggedIn && ($row = mysql_fetch_row($query))) {
> 
> which does not return an associative array.

<snipped>


From soazine at erols.com  Sat Sep  6 17:14:13 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 17:14:13 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
References: <E19vkMs-0008Rd-CF@rslrs1-server.com>
Message-ID: <06d001c374bb$d24a0ac0$67a76244@philofsoa>

I normally use mysql_fetch_array with the MYSQL_ASSOC constant, but since
this is guaranteed to return 1 row (or no rows) I felt using a while() loop
with mysql_fetch_array was a waste of time.

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Pang" <bpang at bpang.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????


> now, why didn't we catch that sooner!?!?!
>
> I guess I never attempt to use association from mysql fetched rows.
>
> note: ASSOCiation (or BOTH; default) DOES work with mysql_fetch_array()
>
>
>
> > exactly.
> >
> > phil used:
> >
> >   if ($hasLoggedIn && ($row = mysql_fetch_row($query))) {
> >
> > which does not return an associative array.
>
> <snipped>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From ejp at well.com  Sat Sep  6 17:16:38 2003
From: ejp at well.com (Edward Potter)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 17:16:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Yipes, i give in, can we get a Daily Digest mode?
In-Reply-To: <20030906210240.54C43A8611@virtu.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <66DB4BB8-E0AF-11D7-9956-000393D9EBFA@well.com>

Hi,

At this point the PHP Talk list is crying out for Digest Mode!  Just my 
2 cents...

- ed



From hans at nyphp.org  Sat Sep  6 17:21:40 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 17:21:40 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
In-Reply-To: <067801c374b7$929bff40$67a76244@philofsoa>
References: <E19vjpR-0005ba-Ts@rslrs1-server.com>
	<067801c374b7$929bff40$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <3F5A4FE4.9010208@nyphp.org>



Phil,

Phil Powell wrote:
> Well this is how I solved it:
> 
> if ($hasLoggedIn && ($row = mysql_fetch_row($query)) {
>  setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $row[0], 0, '/');
>  ...
> }
> 
> That works!! Apparently the problem was neither setcookie nor header, AND it
> was BOTH!

I just jumped into this thread, but it seems the development process is a bit, uhh, erratic :)

Consider that you have have three essential peices of logic here, all of which have to come together to give the end result you require (logging, and remaining logged in).  They are:

1) Database query and fetching of the result to determine if the proper user credentials were supplied.

2) Sending an indication to the browser that they've supplied the proper credentials (ie, writing the cookie to the browser)

3) Getting an indication from the browser that they have the proper credentials (ie, reading the cookie from the browser).

Now you can troubleshoot each of these steps, and isolate where the exact problem is.

For 1 above:  make sure you don't have typeing issues, and that your DB is responding 100% correctly.  Meaning, doing a boolean test of ($row = mysql_fetch_row($query)) is scarey to me.  Pull a value explicitly out of the result set, or at least know that you're testing an int, ie:  if( mysql_num_rows($result) === 1 ).  Better yet, do a var_dump() of your final DB result variables (whether they be associative, numeric, etc. arrays) so you know exactly what data you're getting back.

For 2 and 3 above:  when working with cookies, or headers in general, I always use the livehttpheaders plugin for Mozilla.  You can see exactly what is being sent between you and the web server, and can even edit and replay headers to test how your application behaves.  Once you see exactly what you expect being sent back and forth as cookies/headers, you know that piece is working.  If, however the end result expected behavior still isn't what you want, you know it must now be logic in your application that is checking if the user is logged in or not.

Lastly, now use IE :)  If things break, it's a quirk and Google or the php.net user notes will hopefully be able to help you.

And please, try to trim your posts when replying.  Thanks,

H





From hans at nyphp.org  Sat Sep  6 17:23:30 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 17:23:30 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Yipes, i give in, can we get a Daily Digest mode?
In-Reply-To: <66DB4BB8-E0AF-11D7-9956-000393D9EBFA@well.com>
References: <66DB4BB8-E0AF-11D7-9956-000393D9EBFA@well.com>
Message-ID: <3F5A5052.4060603@nyphp.org>


> At this point the PHP Talk list is crying out for Digest Mode!  Just my 
> 2 cents...

There has been digest since we deployed Mailman (and, in fact, is a primary reason we went to Mailman).  See the link below.

> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From hans at nyphp.org  Sat Sep  6 17:32:24 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 17:32:24 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] more on &$var in function
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030905104152.00b59218@mail.optonline.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030905104152.00b59218@mail.optonline.net>
Message-ID: <3F5A5268.3010601@nyphp.org>



Michael Southwell wrote:
> Thanks for responses to my question about the need for global $var 
> within a function whose parameter is &$var (unnecessary; function is 
> operating directly on the original because of the &).
> 
> Now this raises another question.  Given the above, in those cases where 
> a function is intended to operate on a global variable--and only those 
> cases, why wouldn't you *always* define the parameter with & instead of 
> using a global statement?

It's a matter of context and style, IMO.  Function arguments are explicit to that function call, while a global variable isn't and is expected to be operated on regardless of a particular function.  And, as Chris and Chris pointed out, you'll get some nasty-long function calls :)

H



From mwithington at PLMresearch.com  Sat Sep  6 14:12:01 2003
From: mwithington at PLMresearch.com (Mark Withington)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 14:12:01 -0400 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] First Big Client
Message-ID: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE35875B932@network.PLMresearch.com>

Here are some [probably obvious] thoughts:
 
I would suggest thinking _not_ in terms of functionality (e.g. Content
Management, Groupware, etc.) but rather value.  Bluntly stated, what will
the _output_ of all this stuff do for your client.  How much money will they
save?  How many more prospects will it uncover?  How much faster will it
increase their cash cycle?  In the perfect world, your invoice should be
only slightly less than the value all of these combined - the delta being a
function of client management...remember (pardon the crude analogy) the
difference between rape and making love is salesmanship!
 

--------------------------
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Plymouth, MA  02362
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f: 508-746-4973
v: 508-746-2383
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Public Key: http://www.PLMresearch.com/html/MLW_public_key.asc
<http://www.plmresearch.com/html/MLW_public_key.asc> 
Calendar: http://www.plmresearch.com/calendar.php
<http://www.plmresearch.com/calendar.php> 


-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On
Behalf Of Donald J. Organ IV
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:01 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] First Big Client


Ok i ahve been developing PHP web application for a couple fo years now but
they have always been on a volunteer or personal basis.  Now I have a client
that wants a custom web application and I am not sure how much to charge
them.  So of the features that this web application included are:
 
Contact Management 
Personal Appointment book as well as global appointment book
Resume management
meeting management
admin features(Such as adding new users)
Sending out template based email to well over 100 individuals
dynamic word document creation
and many other features...
 
This system is replacing other application such as Goldmine, resume grabber,
and will also eliminate many steps such as sending emails in outlook.
 
if anyone has an idea on how much something like this goes for please let me
know.

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From soazine at erols.com  Sat Sep  6 17:53:14 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 17:53:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
References: <E19vjpR-0005ba-Ts@rslrs1-server.com><067801c374b7$929bff40$67a76244@philofsoa>
	<3F5A4FE4.9010208@nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <072c01c374c1$45c67510$67a76244@philofsoa>

Hans, getting me to think methodically like you do would be like asking a
900-year old corpse to code PHP.  Honestly, I am not physically/mentally
wired to do so, but hey, suggestions are always welcomed! :)

Thanx though, the cookie issue has been resolved, now I can't figure out how
to auto-redirect with a target!

Phil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hans Zaunere" <hans at nyphp.org>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????


>
>
> Phil,
>
> Phil Powell wrote:
> > Well this is how I solved it:
> >
> > if ($hasLoggedIn && ($row = mysql_fetch_row($query)) {
> >  setcookie('nordicnet_registration', $row[0], 0, '/');
> >  ...
> > }
> >
> > That works!! Apparently the problem was neither setcookie nor header,
AND it
> > was BOTH!
>
> I just jumped into this thread, but it seems the development process is a
bit, uhh, erratic :)
>
> Consider that you have have three essential peices of logic here, all of
which have to come together to give the end result you require (logging, and
remaining logged in).  They are:
>
> 1) Database query and fetching of the result to determine if the proper
user credentials were supplied.
>
> 2) Sending an indication to the browser that they've supplied the proper
credentials (ie, writing the cookie to the browser)
>
> 3) Getting an indication from the browser that they have the proper
credentials (ie, reading the cookie from the browser).
>
> Now you can troubleshoot each of these steps, and isolate where the exact
problem is.
>
> For 1 above:  make sure you don't have typeing issues, and that your DB is
responding 100% correctly.  Meaning, doing a boolean test of ($row =
mysql_fetch_row($query)) is scarey to me.  Pull a value explicitly out of
the result set, or at least know that you're testing an int, ie:  if(
mysql_num_rows($result) === 1 ).  Better yet, do a var_dump() of your final
DB result variables (whether they be associative, numeric, etc. arrays) so
you know exactly what data you're getting back.
>
> For 2 and 3 above:  when working with cookies, or headers in general, I
always use the livehttpheaders plugin for Mozilla.  You can see exactly what
is being sent between you and the web server, and can even edit and replay
headers to test how your application behaves.  Once you see exactly what you
expect being sent back and forth as cookies/headers, you know that piece is
working.  If, however the end result expected behavior still isn't what you
want, you know it must now be logic in your application that is checking if
the user is logged in or not.
>
> Lastly, now use IE :)  If things break, it's a quirk and Google or the
php.net user notes will hopefully be able to help you.
>
> And please, try to trim your posts when replying.  Thanks,
>
> H
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From hans at nyphp.org  Sat Sep  6 18:03:58 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 18:03:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
In-Reply-To: <072c01c374c1$45c67510$67a76244@philofsoa>
References: <E19vjpR-0005ba-Ts@rslrs1-server.com><067801c374b7$929bff40$67a76244@philofsoa>	<3F5A4FE4.9010208@nyphp.org>
	<072c01c374c1$45c67510$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <3F5A59CE.1030303@nyphp.org>



Phil Powell wrote:

> Hans, getting me to think methodically like you do would be like asking a
> 900-year old corpse to code PHP.  Honestly, I am not physically/mentally
> wired to do so, but hey, suggestions are always welcomed! :)
> 
> Thanx though, the cookie issue has been resolved, now I can't figure out how
> to auto-redirect with a target!

Happy it's coming together.  Sorry I can't help here (I've found being methodical doesn't help much when dealing with frames :)

The NYFE Front-End list would probably be able to answer this one in a snap:

http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/front-end
http://nyfe.org


Best,

H




From soazine at erols.com  Sat Sep  6 20:33:52 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 20:33:52 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] can you do fopen on a binary file (jpg, pdf, etc.)?
Message-ID: <07d001c374d7$b6f8b890$67a76244@philofsoa>

I have a PHP script that would read in a binary file and display it as if it were <img src>, how would you do that w/o changing the header's MIME type? The entire file does not need to be changed.

Thanks
Phil
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From shiflett at php.net  Sat Sep  6 23:54:54 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 20:54:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
In-Reply-To: <20030906195617.326B5A8651@virtu.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030907035454.58118.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Patrick Hunt <pat at vote.com> wrote:
> I didn't use a browser. I used a debugging tool. If you're running
> windows I can send you a copy, but I don't know of a similar tool
> for *NIX.

There are tons for Unix. Most people don't have a reason not to just use
tcpdump, which is on every Unix server I've ever seen. But, I wanted more. :-)

I wrote an HTTP proxy in PHP (to play with the sockets extension) that displays
the HTTP transaction for the parent resource at the bottom of the Web page
(pretty convenient). It still lacks several features and sucks more than
desired, so if anyone feels like making it suck less, feel free to improve it.
:-)

http://sf.net/projects/protoscope/

Chris

=====
Become a better Web developer with the HTTP Developer's Handbook
http://httphandbook.org/


From csnyder at chxo.com  Sun Sep  7 00:13:38 2003
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 00:13:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Retrieving remote files-- caution
Message-ID: <3F5AB072.6090707@chxo.com>

Learned a lesson tonight...

If you're going to use file_get_contents() (or any function with fopen 
wrappers) to allow users to import a file from some other website, 
always check to make sure that the supplied url starts with "http://" 
and not, say, "/etc".

function url_get_contents ( $url ) {
    $array= parse_url($url);
    if ( $array['scheme']=='http' || $array['scheme']=='ftp' ) {
        return file_get_contents($url);
    }else {
        return 0;
    }
}

I used to always use fsockopen for this, but file_get_contents seemed so 
easy by comparison -- except for the part where it was really built to 
handle local files. Doh!



From adam at trachtenberg.com  Sun Sep  7 05:39:14 2003
From: adam at trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 05:39:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
In-Reply-To: <072c01c374c1$45c67510$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309070529420.21963-100000@miranda.org>

On Sat, 6 Sep 2003, Phil Powell wrote:

> Hans, getting me to think methodically like you do would be like asking a
> 900-year old corpse to code PHP.  Honestly, I am not physically/mentally
> wired to do so, but hey, suggestions are always welcomed! :)

Phil --

Maybe you should try and remember what a pain it was to debug the
setcookie() issue in a non-methodical way. :)

But seriously, my suggestion is whenever you're getting frustrated
to take a deep breath, a five minute break, then come back and put
together a step-by-step list of what you're trying to
accomplish. Once you're armed with a list, you can then verify that
each step is getting the correct input and providing the correct
output. Often times, merely the process of figuring this out will
trigger what you should do to fix the bug.

> Thanx though, the cookie issue has been resolved, now I can't figure out how
> to auto-redirect with a target!

You can use the Set-Target header, but I believe this only works on
Netscape and not IE. If you do figure out a way to solve this under
IE, please let me know because I was trying to track this answer down
for someone recently and couldn't come up with a solution.

-adam

-- 
adam at trachtenberg.com
author of o'reilly's php cookbook
avoid the holiday rush, buy your copy today!



From soazine at erols.com  Sun Sep  7 08:24:53 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 08:24:53 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309070529420.21963-100000@miranda.org>
Message-ID: <08d001c3753b$0af0cf60$67a76244@philofsoa>

Thanx for the suggestion.  The "five-minute break" is something I need to do
more often, to be honest I frustrate myself into a corner and continually
bang my head against the wall until I give myself a headache :)

I did figure it out but it involves a total Javascript solution, afraid
there is no other solution for this :(

<script>
<!--
   window.parent.location.href = 'myURL.com';
//-->
</script>

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg" <adam at trachtenberg.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 5:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????


> On Sat, 6 Sep 2003, Phil Powell wrote:
>
> > Hans, getting me to think methodically like you do would be like asking
a
> > 900-year old corpse to code PHP.  Honestly, I am not physically/mentally
> > wired to do so, but hey, suggestions are always welcomed! :)
>
> Phil --
>
> Maybe you should try and remember what a pain it was to debug the
> setcookie() issue in a non-methodical way. :)
>
> But seriously, my suggestion is whenever you're getting frustrated
> to take a deep breath, a five minute break, then come back and put
> together a step-by-step list of what you're trying to
> accomplish. Once you're armed with a list, you can then verify that
> each step is getting the correct input and providing the correct
> output. Often times, merely the process of figuring this out will
> trigger what you should do to fix the bug.
>
> > Thanx though, the cookie issue has been resolved, now I can't figure out
how
> > to auto-redirect with a target!
>
> You can use the Set-Target header, but I believe this only works on
> Netscape and not IE. If you do figure out a way to solve this under
> IE, please let me know because I was trying to track this answer down
> for someone recently and couldn't come up with a solution.
>
> -adam
>
> -- 
> adam at trachtenberg.com
> author of o'reilly's php cookbook
> avoid the holiday rush, buy your copy today!
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From soazine at erols.com  Sun Sep  7 08:31:07 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 08:31:07 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mySQL datetime fields default now() fails
Message-ID: <090801c3753b$e99da990$67a76244@philofsoa>

I have a mySQL database table with a column field datatype of datetime that I set up in the original create table statement like this:

create table nnet_usermetadata (
...
 nnet_record_entered datetime default 'now()'
)

However, upon execution, each time a record is entered into nnet_usermetadata the results are:

00-00-0000 00:00:00

Is there a way I can always ensure that the current date and time are always entered into the datetime field?  I would prefer to not have a server-side PHP or any other scripting solution because by doing so would mean I would have to alter my table to do so, and after the barrage of questions you've received from me would you trust me to do so effectively?

Phil
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From adam at trachtenberg.com  Sun Sep  7 11:36:32 2003
From: adam at trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 11:36:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mySQL datetime fields default now() fails
In-Reply-To: <090801c3753b$e99da990$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309071130310.9377-100000@miranda.org>

On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Phil Powell wrote:

> I have a mySQL database table with a column field datatype of
> datetime that I set up in the original create table statement like
> this:
> 
> create table nnet_usermetadata (
> ...
>  nnet_record_entered datetime default 'now()'
> )
> 
> However, upon execution, each time a record is entered into
> nnet_usermetadata the results are:
> 
> 00-00-0000 00:00:00

I believe this is because you are trying to enter the string 'now()'
into the field instead of the results of the function named
now(). However, I bet you tried it without the quotes first and got a
MySQL error message like this: "You have an error in your SQL syntax
near 'now())'"

> Is there a way I can always ensure that the current date and time
> are always entered into the datetime field?  I would prefer to not
> have a server-side PHP or any other scripting solution because by
> doing so would mean I would have to alter my table to do so, and
> after the barrage of questions you've received from me would you
> trust me to do so effectively?

I went to Google and typed in "default now() mysql" and unless things
have changed in MySQL since 2001 (which is possible), you cannot do
this because default values must be constants. (That's why MySQL spews
that SQL syntax error.)

However, I don't think you'd actually need to alter your table to make
sure you always entered the date -- you'd just need to alter all your
INSERTs and UPDATEs by adding some code to generate the date as part
of your SQL. Of course, that may be worse, but what you need to
do. Alternatively, it looks like MSSQL might support this syntax. :)

-adam

-- 
adam at trachtenberg.com
author of o'reilly's php cookbook
avoid the holiday rush, buy your copy today!



From soazine at erols.com  Sun Sep  7 11:57:17 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 11:57:17 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mySQL datetime fields default now() fails
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309071130310.9377-100000@miranda.org>
Message-ID: <097701c37558$b6cc73d0$67a76244@philofsoa>

Ok, w/o spending 4.5 hours reinventing the wheel, is there an online example
of how to insert the current date/time into a mySQL datetime column field?
I only have to put it in one place for now but better to learn it now,
thanx!

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg" <adam at trachtenberg.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] mySQL datetime fields default now() fails


> On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Phil Powell wrote:
>
> > I have a mySQL database table with a column field datatype of
> > datetime that I set up in the original create table statement like
> > this:
> >
> > create table nnet_usermetadata (
> > ...
> >  nnet_record_entered datetime default 'now()'
> > )
> >
> > However, upon execution, each time a record is entered into
> > nnet_usermetadata the results are:
> >
> > 00-00-0000 00:00:00
>
> I believe this is because you are trying to enter the string 'now()'
> into the field instead of the results of the function named
> now(). However, I bet you tried it without the quotes first and got a
> MySQL error message like this: "You have an error in your SQL syntax
> near 'now())'"
>
> > Is there a way I can always ensure that the current date and time
> > are always entered into the datetime field?  I would prefer to not
> > have a server-side PHP or any other scripting solution because by
> > doing so would mean I would have to alter my table to do so, and
> > after the barrage of questions you've received from me would you
> > trust me to do so effectively?
>
> I went to Google and typed in "default now() mysql" and unless things
> have changed in MySQL since 2001 (which is possible), you cannot do
> this because default values must be constants. (That's why MySQL spews
> that SQL syntax error.)
>
> However, I don't think you'd actually need to alter your table to make
> sure you always entered the date -- you'd just need to alter all your
> INSERTs and UPDATEs by adding some code to generate the date as part
> of your SQL. Of course, that may be worse, but what you need to
> do. Alternatively, it looks like MSSQL might support this syntax. :)
>
> -adam
>
> -- 
> adam at trachtenberg.com
> author of o'reilly's php cookbook
> avoid the holiday rush, buy your copy today!
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From soazine at erols.com  Sun Sep  7 12:07:05 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 12:07:05 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mySQL datetime fields default now() fails
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309071130310.9377-100000@miranda.org>
Message-ID: <099801c3755a$151797c0$67a76244@philofsoa>

I figured it out but it's a PHP solution, not a mySQL solution:

date("Y-m-d H:i:s")

How inferior.  You can employ pre-defined constants in Oracle, SQL Server,
even stinkin' ACCESS, but not mySQL?

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg" <adam at trachtenberg.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] mySQL datetime fields default now() fails


> On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Phil Powell wrote:
>
> > I have a mySQL database table with a column field datatype of
> > datetime that I set up in the original create table statement like
> > this:
> >
> > create table nnet_usermetadata (
> > ...
> >  nnet_record_entered datetime default 'now()'
> > )
> >
> > However, upon execution, each time a record is entered into
> > nnet_usermetadata the results are:
> >
> > 00-00-0000 00:00:00
>
> I believe this is because you are trying to enter the string 'now()'
> into the field instead of the results of the function named
> now(). However, I bet you tried it without the quotes first and got a
> MySQL error message like this: "You have an error in your SQL syntax
> near 'now())'"
>
> > Is there a way I can always ensure that the current date and time
> > are always entered into the datetime field?  I would prefer to not
> > have a server-side PHP or any other scripting solution because by
> > doing so would mean I would have to alter my table to do so, and
> > after the barrage of questions you've received from me would you
> > trust me to do so effectively?
>
> I went to Google and typed in "default now() mysql" and unless things
> have changed in MySQL since 2001 (which is possible), you cannot do
> this because default values must be constants. (That's why MySQL spews
> that SQL syntax error.)
>
> However, I don't think you'd actually need to alter your table to make
> sure you always entered the date -- you'd just need to alter all your
> INSERTs and UPDATEs by adding some code to generate the date as part
> of your SQL. Of course, that may be worse, but what you need to
> do. Alternatively, it looks like MSSQL might support this syntax. :)
>
> -adam
>
> -- 
> adam at trachtenberg.com
> author of o'reilly's php cookbook
> avoid the holiday rush, buy your copy today!
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From bpang at bpang.com  Sun Sep  7 12:49:02 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 12:49:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mySQL datetime fields default now() fails
Message-ID: <E19w2ik-0006xJ-US@rslrs1-server.com>

Phil,

I think you want to be using the timestamp column type instead.

http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/DATETIME.html

note that the value will be automatically set if you do not explicity
provide a value for it.

meaning...

if you want to preserve the original value on update, you need to return
the original value with the update query.

alternately, there are other mysql date/time functions you can use with
now() or current() that should work, just don't put them in quotes in
the insert statement.




> I figured it out but it's a PHP solution, not a mySQL solution:
> 
> date("Y-m-d H:i:s")
> 
> How inferior.  You can employ pre-defined constants in Oracle, SQL Server,
> even stinkin' ACCESS, but not mySQL?
> 



From shiflett at php.net  Sun Sep  7 14:27:07 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 11:27:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] why does setcookie fail?????
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309070529420.21963-100000@miranda.org>
Message-ID: <20030907182707.376.qmail@web14310.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg <adam at trachtenberg.com> wrote:
> But seriously, my suggestion is whenever you're getting frustrated
> to take a deep breath, a five minute break, then come back and put
> together a step-by-step list of what you're trying to
> accomplish. Once you're armed with a list, you can then verify that
> each step is getting the correct input and providing the correct
> output. Often times, merely the process of figuring this out will
> trigger what you should do to fix the bug.

This is great advice. The setcookie line of questioning perfectly illustrates
why erroneous assumptions can make simple problems into very complex ones.

For example, consider this calculation:

(25 * 4) * 10

There are basically three pieces of data here that are combined together in two
operations to produce the final output. Now, consider this question:

Does anyone know WHY I can multiply 100 by 10 and get 1250??? See if you can
explain THAT one!!!

After scores of messages back and forth, it is realized that the error was that
the following calculation was actually being performed:

(25 * 5) * 10

So, if the question asked had been why 5 was being returned by something
instead of 4, the answer would have been much easier (and less misleading).

Breaking things down is essential to solving problems. This should have been
the first test to prove the assumption wrong:

100 * 10

This would have given 1000, not 1250, so the erroneous assumption should never
even be mentioned in the question. A little effort up front can save a lot of
time for everyone.

Hope that helps.

Chris

=====
Become a better Web developer with the HTTP Developer's Handbook
http://httphandbook.org/


From pl at eskimo.com  Sun Sep  7 16:32:10 2003
From: pl at eskimo.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 16:32:10 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mySQL datetime fields default now() fails
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309071130310.9377-100000@miranda.org>
	<097701c37558$b6cc73d0$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <001a01c3757f$27e01880$4c2c0242@peter1>

INSERT INTO table (date) VALUES(now());

Peter Lehrer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Powell" <soazine at erols.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] mySQL datetime fields default now() fails


> Ok, w/o spending 4.5 hours reinventing the wheel, is there an online
example
> of how to insert the current date/time into a mySQL datetime column field?
> I only have to put it in one place for now but better to learn it now,
> thanx!
>
> Phil
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg" <adam at trachtenberg.com>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 11:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] mySQL datetime fields default now() fails
>
>
> > On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Phil Powell wrote:
> >
> > > I have a mySQL database table with a column field datatype of
> > > datetime that I set up in the original create table statement like
> > > this:
> > >
> > > create table nnet_usermetadata (
> > > ...
> > >  nnet_record_entered datetime default 'now()'
> > > )
> > >
> > > However, upon execution, each time a record is entered into
> > > nnet_usermetadata the results are:
> > >
> > > 00-00-0000 00:00:00
> >
> > I believe this is because you are trying to enter the string 'now()'
> > into the field instead of the results of the function named
> > now(). However, I bet you tried it without the quotes first and got a
> > MySQL error message like this: "You have an error in your SQL syntax
> > near 'now())'"
> >
> > > Is there a way I can always ensure that the current date and time
> > > are always entered into the datetime field?  I would prefer to not
> > > have a server-side PHP or any other scripting solution because by
> > > doing so would mean I would have to alter my table to do so, and
> > > after the barrage of questions you've received from me would you
> > > trust me to do so effectively?
> >
> > I went to Google and typed in "default now() mysql" and unless things
> > have changed in MySQL since 2001 (which is possible), you cannot do
> > this because default values must be constants. (That's why MySQL spews
> > that SQL syntax error.)
> >
> > However, I don't think you'd actually need to alter your table to make
> > sure you always entered the date -- you'd just need to alter all your
> > INSERTs and UPDATEs by adding some code to generate the date as part
> > of your SQL. Of course, that may be worse, but what you need to
> > do. Alternatively, it looks like MSSQL might support this syntax. :)
> >
> > -adam
> >
> > --
> > adam at trachtenberg.com
> > author of o'reilly's php cookbook
> > avoid the holiday rush, buy your copy today!
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>



From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Sun Sep  7 07:13:40 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 07:13:40 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Retrieving remote files-- caution
References: <3F5AB072.6090707@chxo.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c37531$17862360$6b00a8c0@thinkpad>

Thanks for pointing this out since I always use the function... it would be
nice to see some type of basic security policy for PHP in regards to certain
methods like these ... most languages go by the notion that "bytes are
bytes" no matter where u get them from, but it would be safer to define
walls for certain "dangerous methods" + include them in php.ini for better
safekeeping.  I always thought it would be nice to do something like what
you did beyond a policy that was saying "you can do this" "you can't do
that", like in Java + instead have security handlers instead ... for example
a policy would maybe be like: file_get_contents.allow or
file_get_contents.deny but instead allow a security handler to check params
globally ... file_get_contents.handler = (some method to check w/ first) ...

- Jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Snyder" <csnyder at chxo.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 12:13 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Retrieving remote files-- caution


> Learned a lesson tonight...
>
> If you're going to use file_get_contents() (or any function with fopen
> wrappers) to allow users to import a file from some other website,
> always check to make sure that the supplied url starts with "http://"
> and not, say, "/etc".
>
> function url_get_contents ( $url ) {
>     $array= parse_url($url);
>     if ( $array['scheme']=='http' || $array['scheme']=='ftp' ) {
>         return file_get_contents($url);
>     }else {
>         return 0;
>     }
> }
>
> I used to always use fsockopen for this, but file_get_contents seemed so
> easy by comparison -- except for the part where it was really built to
> handle local files. Doh!
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>



From soazine at erols.com  Sun Sep  7 21:40:12 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 21:40:12 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] working with a PHP class - help!
Message-ID: <0aa701c375aa$25b0f4f0$67a76244@philofsoa>

My first time working with a PHP class, and after 6 hours of working out the kinks I am unable to return a value from the class, so now I appeal to the general audience what on earth did I do wrong this time?

This is the code the retrieves the values:

if (($hasRegistered || $hasPreRegistered) && !empty($uplinenumber)) {
   // CHECK TO SEE IF UPLINE NUMBER IS A VALID NUMBER
   $regNumberGenerator = new RegNumberGenerator($uplinenumber, $email, $dbConn);
   if (!$regNumberGenerator->isValidUplinenumber()) {
    $hasRegistered = 0; $hasPreRegistered = 0;
    $errorMsg .= $font . '<font color=cc0000><li>Du m&#229;ste skicka geltig upline nr., takk!' .
                 '</li></font></font><p>';
   // ERROR PRODUCED UPON REG OR PRE-REG MODE - FORM WILL BE REPOPULATED BY $_POST ELEMENTS
   // NO NEED FOR DB ANY FURTHER

    @mysql_free_result($query); // FREE RESOURCES BUT SUPPRESS WARNINGS IF NON-SELECT QUERY
    mysql_close($dbConn); // CLOSE DB CONNECTION
   } else {
    $registrationNumber = $regNumberGenerator->getRegNumber();
    $registrationNumberForUsername = $regNumberGenerator->getRegNumberDecDigits($registrationNumber);
    $registrationNumberForEmail = $regNumberGenerator->getRegNumberDecDigits($registrationNumber, '-');
   }
  }

And here is the class itself:


  /*-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Class RegNumberGenerator - this class consists of the following:
  
    1. Method isValidUplinenumber - Boolean return if the upline number is a valid one
                                    according to a db call

    2. Method getRegNumber - String method to return the hexidecimal registration number
    3. Method getRegNumberDecDigits - String method to return the reg number as decimal digits
    4. Private method hasFoundNextAvailRegNumber - Boolean method that searches for the inputted
                                                   number as a registration number in the db
    5. Private method incrUplinenumber - String method to increase next-to-last digit of
                                         upline number by 1 (to get to the next "leg")

    Input parameters:

    1. $dbConn - your database connection resource link
    2. $uplinenumber - your upline number
    3. $email - your email address
  --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------*/
  class RegNumberGenerator {
 
   // STRING TO HOUSE GENERATED REGISTRATION NUMBER BASED ON UPLINE #
   var $paddedUplinenumber = ''; 
   var $regNumber = '';
   var $canStopMethod = 0; // BOOLEAN TO DETERMINE TO STOP SEARCHING FOR NEXT VALID REG #

   // CONSTRUCTOR
   function RegNumberGenerator($uplinenumber, $email, $dbConn) {
    $this->uplinenumber = $uplinenumber;
    $this->email = $email;
    $this->dbConn = $dbConn;
   }

   // BOOLEAN METHOD
   function isValidUplinenumber() {

    // CHECK TO SEE IF SINGLE-DIGIT UPLINENUMBER IS NUMERIC VALUE ONLY
    if (strlen($this->uplinenumber) == 0 || 
        (strlen($this->uplinenumber) == 1 && !is_numeric($this->uplinenumber))
       ) {
     $canStopMethod = 1;
     return 0;
    }

    // CHECK TO SEE IF UPLINENUMBER IS VALID (IS HEXADECIMAL NUMBER STRING)
    if (preg_match('/[^a-fA-F0-9]+/i', $this->uplinenumber) && !$canStopMethod) {
     $canStopMethod = 1;
     return 0;
    }

    // CHECK TO SEE THAT IF THIS IS A TOP UPLINENUMBER THAT IT IS A VALID TOP UPLINE NUMBER IN DB
    if (strlen($this->uplinenumber) == 1 && !$canStopMethod) {
     $sql = 'SELECT nnet_user_email FROM nnet_top_uplinenumber ' .
            'WHERE nnet_user_uplinenumber = ' . (int)$this->uplinenumber;
     $query = mysql_query($sql, $this->dbConn) or die('Could not perform query');
     if (mysql_num_rows($query) == 0) {
      $canStopMethod = 1;
      return 0; // NOT VALID TOP UPLINENUMBER
     }
    }
    
    // CHECK TO SEE IF SINGLE-DIGIT UPLINENUMBER WAS ENTERED BY A TOP USER (RAGNAR, DAVID, ETC)
    if (strlen($this->uplinenumber) == 1 && !$canStopMethod) {
     if ($row = mysql_fetch_row($query)) {
      $topUserEmail = $row[0]; // OBTAIN TOP USER EMAIL ADDRESS FOR COMPARISON
      $sql = 'SELECT nnet_userid FROM nnet_usermetadata ' .
             'WHERE nnet_user_email = \'' . $this->email . '\' ' .
             ' AND nnet_user_registrationnumber = \'' . $this->uplinenumber . '\' ';
      $query = mysql_query($sql, $this->dbConn) or die('Could not perform query #2');
      if (mysql_num_rows($query) > 0) {
       // THEY ARE A TOP USER BUT ALREADY FOUND IN USERMETADATA - RETURN FALSE
       $canStopMethod = 1;
       return 0; 
      } elseif (strcmp($topUserEmail, $this->email) == 0) {
       // THEY ARE A TOP USER NOT FOUND YET IN USERMETADATA - SET REG # TO UPLINE # & SET TRUE
       $regNumber = $this->uplinenumber;
       $canStopMethod = 1;
       return 1;
      }
     }
    }

    // CHECK TO SEE IF THIS IS SOMEONE'S REGISTRATION NUMBER
    if (!$canStopMethod && !$this->hasFoundNextAvailRegNumber($this->uplinenumber)) {
     $canStopMethod = 1;
     return 0;
    }

    // THIS IS SOMEONE'S REG # - WE NOW HAVE TO CALCULATE THE NEXT AVAILABLE LEG
    if (!$canStopMethod) {
     $paddedUplinenumber .= $this->uplinenumber . '11';
     if (!$this->hasFoundNextAvailRegNumber($paddedUplinenumber)) {
      $canStopMethod = 1;
      return 0;
     } 
     // KEEP INCREASING NEXT_TO_LAST DIGIT BY 1 UNTIL NO LONGER FOUND IN DB AS REG #
     while ($this->hasFoundNextAvailRegNumber($paddedUplinenumber))
      $paddedUplinenumber = $this->incrUplinenumber($paddedUplinenumber);
     $regNumber = $paddedUplinenumber;
     return 1;
    }
   }


   // STRING METHOD
   function incrUplinenumber($myUplinenumber) {
    $hexDigit = substr($myUplinenumber, strlen($myUplinenumber) - 2, 1); // NEXT_TO_LAST DIGIT
    $nextDecDigit = (int)hexdec($hexDigit) + 1;
    return substr($myUplinenumber, 0, strlen($myUplinenumber) - 2) . dechex($nextDecDigit) . 
           substr($myUplinenumber, strlen($myUplinenumber) - 1, 1);
   }
    

   // BOOLEAN METHOD
   function hasFoundNextAvailRegNumber($paddedUplinenumber) {
    global $dbConn;
    $sql = 'SELECT nnet_userid FROM nnet_usermetadata ' .
           'WHERE nnet_user_registrationnumber = \'' . $paddedUplinenumber . '\' ';
    $query = mysql_query($sql, $dbConn) or die('Could not perform query #3');
    if (mysql_num_rows($query) == 0) {
     // NO ONE HAS THIS UPLINE # AS THEIR REG # - INVALID UPLINE NUMBER
     return 0;
    } else {
     return 1;
    }
   }


   // STRING METHOD TO RETURN HEX REG NUMBER
   function getRegNumber() {
    return $regNumber;
   }

   // STRING METHOD TO RETURN DECIMAL-DIGITS REG NUMBER (NOT TRUE NUMBER) WITH OPTIONAL CHAR
   // DIVIDER

   function getRegNumberDecDigits($myRegNumber, $divider = '') {
    for ($i = 0; $i < strlen($myRegNumber); $i++) 
     $decRegNumber .= '' . hexdec(substr($myRegNumber, $i, 1)) . $divider;
    return $decRegNumber;
   }
  }
  //---END OF CLASS---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Phil
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From xml at aumcomputers.com  Mon Sep  8 07:42:23 2003
From: xml at aumcomputers.com (Anirudh Zala)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 17:12:23 +0530
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Script terminates after certain amount of time period
Message-ID: <087b01c375fe$4a05e870$3500a8c0@com1>

Hello all,

I am facing 1 problem of script termination by browser. My problem is:

My php script generates PDF document that takes approx 2 mins to generate 1.5 MB PFD depending upon criteria, But if i choose more data and when PDF size is to be needed more than 2 MB and higher, browser says "The page cannot be displayed" after few mins, ie php scripts is terminated. However i don't get any php error like "Maximum executon time over" or "Memory size limit exceeded" etc. I have used "set_time_limit();" to increase script execution time but it is not working, also i have tried "sleep()" to delay program execution but it is not also working, or may be it is to be used in another way but i am sure i am using it in proper way. 

Hence is there any other way to keep my browser happy, when it is time to execute long process and to generate heavy output file by executing any script from browser ?

Thanks,

Anirudh Zala
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From shiflett at php.net  Mon Sep  8 09:08:16 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 06:08:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Script terminates after certain amount of time period
In-Reply-To: <087b01c375fe$4a05e870$3500a8c0@com1>
Message-ID: <20030908130816.53546.qmail@web14306.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Anirudh Zala <xml at aumcomputers.com> wrote:
> My php script generates PDF document that takes approx 2 mins to
> generate 1.5 MB PFD depending upon criteria, But if i choose more
> data and when PDF size is to be needed more than 2 MB and higher,
> browser says "The page cannot be displayed" after few mins, ie php
> scripts is terminated.

There are two problems, I think:

1. Set your time limit to something big for this script.
<http://www.php.net/set_time_limit>
2. Are you using IE? Don't.

Hope that helps.

Chris

=====
Become a better Web developer with the HTTP Developer's Handbook
http://httphandbook.org/


From pl at eskimo.com  Mon Sep  8 11:08:34 2003
From: pl at eskimo.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 11:08:34 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mysql tree directory for php installation
Message-ID: <3F5C9B72.4574B841@eskimo.com>

Hi,

I just installed the mysql rpm and now I need to know the location of
the mysql tree to install php. However, when I checked, it seems that
mysql is installed all over the place. The system I installed mysql is
mandrake 7.0.

Does anyone know the correct mysql tree to use with the installation
flag

with-mysql=DIR

in this case - mysql installed from an rpm.

Below is output from locate mysql:

/etc/rc.d/init.d/mysql
/etc/rc.d/rc0.d/K90mysql
/etc/rc.d/rc1.d/K90mysql
/etc/rc.d/rc2.d/S90mysql
/etc/rc.d/rc3.d/S90mysql
/etc/rc.d/rc4.d/S90mysql
/etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S90mysql
/etc/rc.d/rc6.d/K90mysql
/etc/logrotate.d/mysql
/var/lib/mysql
/var/lib/mysql/mysql
/var/lib/mysql/test
/var/lib/mysql/localhost.localdomain.err
/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock
/var/lib/mysql/localhost.localdomain.pid
/var/lock/subsys/mysql
/usr/bin/mysqlbug
/usr/bin/mysql_convert_table_format
/usr/bin/mysql_fix_privilege_tables
/usr/bin/mysql_zap
/usr/bin/mysql_install_db
/usr/bin/mysql_setpermission
/usr/bin/mysqld_multi
/usr/bin/mysqldumpslow
/usr/bin/mysqlhotcopy
/usr/bin/mysqltest
/usr/bin/safe_mysqld
/usr/bin/msql2mysql
/usr/bin/mysql
/usr/bin/mysql_find_rows
/usr/bin/mysqlaccess
/usr/bin/mysqladmin
/usr/bin/mysqlbinlog
/usr/bin/mysqlcheck
/usr/bin/mysqldump
/usr/bin/mysqlimport
/usr/bin/mysqlshow
/usr/bin/mysql_config
/usr/include/mysql
/usr/include/mysql/chardefs.h
/usr/include/mysql/dbug.h
/usr/include/mysql/errmsg.h
/usr/include/mysql/history.h
/usr/include/mysql/keymaps.h
/usr/include/mysql/m_ctype.h
/usr/include/mysql/m_string.h
/usr/include/mysql/my_config.h
/usr/include/mysql/my_global.h
/usr/include/mysql/my_list.h
/usr/include/mysql/my_net.h
/usr/include/mysql/my_no_pthread.h
/usr/include/mysql/my_pthread.h
/usr/include/mysql/my_sys.h
/usr/include/mysql/mysql.h
/usr/include/mysql/mysql_com.h
/usr/include/mysql/mysql_version.h
/usr/include/mysql/mysqld_error.h
/usr/include/mysql/raid.h
/usr/include/mysql/readline.h
/usr/include/mysql/sslopt-case.h
/usr/include/mysql/sslopt-longopts.h
/usr/include/mysql/sslopt-usage.h
/usr/include/mysql/sslopt-vars.h
/usr/include/mysql/tilde.h
/usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so
/usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.3.20.32a
/usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.4
/usr/lib/mysql
/usr/lib/mysql/mysqld.sym
/usr/lib/mysql/mysqld-max.sym
/usr/lib/mysql/libdbug.a
/usr/lib/mysql/libheap.a
/usr/lib/mysql/libmerge.a
/usr/lib/mysql/libmyisam.a
/usr/lib/mysql/libmyisammrg.a
/usr/lib/mysql/libmysqlclient.a
/usr/lib/mysql/libmystrings.a
/usr/lib/mysql/libmysys.a
/usr/lib/mysql/libnisam.a
/usr/sbin/mysqld
/usr/sbin/mysqld-max
/usr/share/info/mysql.info.gz
/usr/share/man/man1/mysql_zap.1.gz
/usr/share/man/man1/mysqld.1.gz
/usr/share/man/man1/mysqld_multi.1.gz
/usr/share/man/man1/safe_mysqld.1.gz
/usr/share/man/man1/mysql.1.gz
/usr/share/man/man1/mysqlaccess.1.gz
/usr/share/man/man1/mysqladmin.1.gz
/usr/share/man/man1/mysqldump.1.gz
/usr/share/man/man1/mysqlshow.1.gz
/usr/share/mysql
/usr/share/mysql/binary-configure
/usr/share/mysql/charsets
/usr/share/mysql/charsets/Index
/usr/share/mysql/charsets/README
/usr/share/mysql/charsets/cp1251.conf
/usr/share/mysql/charsets/cp1257.conf
/usr/share/mysql/charsets/croat.conf
/usr/share/mysql/charsets/danish.conf
/usr/share/mysql/charsets/dec8.conf
/usr/share/mysql/charsets/dos.conf
/usr/share/mysql/charsets/estonia.conf
/usr/share/mysql/charsets/german1.conf
/usr/share/mysql/charsets/greek.conf
/usr/share/mysql/charsets/hebrew.conf
/usr/share/mysql/charsets/hp8.conf
/usr/share/mysql/charsets/hungarian.conf
/usr/share/mysql/charsets/koi8_ru.conf
/usr/share/mysql/charsets/koi8_ukr.conf
/usr/share/mysql/charsets/latin1.conf
/usr/share/mysql/charsets/latin2.conf
/usr/share/mysql/charsets/latin5.conf
/usr/share/mysql/charsets/swe7.conf
/usr/share/mysql/charsets/usa7.conf
/usr/share/mysql/charsets/win1250.conf
/usr/share/mysql/charsets/win1251.conf
/usr/share/mysql/charsets/win1251ukr.conf
/usr/share/mysql/czech
/usr/share/mysql/czech/errmsg.sys
/usr/share/mysql/czech/errmsg.txt
/usr/share/mysql/danish
/usr/share/mysql/danish/errmsg.sys
/usr/share/mysql/danish/errmsg.txt
/usr/share/mysql/dutch
/usr/share/mysql/dutch/errmsg.sys
/usr/share/mysql/dutch/errmsg.txt
/usr/share/mysql/english
/usr/share/mysql/english/errmsg.sys
/usr/share/mysql/english/errmsg.txt
/usr/share/mysql/estonian
/usr/share/mysql/estonian/errmsg.sys
/usr/share/mysql/estonian/errmsg.txt
/usr/share/mysql/french
/usr/share/mysql/french/errmsg.sys
/usr/share/mysql/french/errmsg.txt
/usr/share/mysql/german
/usr/share/mysql/german/errmsg.sys
/usr/share/mysql/german/errmsg.txt
/usr/share/mysql/greek
/usr/share/mysql/greek/errmsg.sys
/usr/share/mysql/greek/errmsg.txt
/usr/share/mysql/hungarian
/usr/share/mysql/hungarian/errmsg.sys
/usr/share/mysql/hungarian/errmsg.txt
/usr/share/mysql/italian
/usr/share/mysql/italian/errmsg.sys
/usr/share/mysql/italian/errmsg.txt
/usr/share/mysql/japanese
/usr/share/mysql/japanese/errmsg.sys
/usr/share/mysql/japanese/errmsg.txt
/usr/share/mysql/korean
/usr/share/mysql/korean/errmsg.sys
/usr/share/mysql/korean/errmsg.txt
/usr/share/mysql/make_binary_distribution
/usr/share/mysql/mi_test_all
/usr/share/mysql/mi_test_all.res
/usr/share/mysql/my-huge.cnf
/usr/share/mysql/my-large.cnf
/usr/share/mysql/my-medium.cnf
/usr/share/mysql/my-small.cnf
/usr/share/mysql/mysql-3.23.57.spec
/usr/share/mysql/mysql-log-rotate
/usr/share/mysql/mysql.server
/usr/share/mysql/norwegian
/usr/share/mysql/norwegian/errmsg.sys
/usr/share/mysql/norwegian/errmsg.txt
/usr/share/mysql/norwegian-ny
/usr/share/mysql/norwegian-ny/errmsg.sys
/usr/share/mysql/norwegian-ny/errmsg.txt
/usr/share/mysql/polish
/usr/share/mysql/polish/errmsg.sys
/usr/share/mysql/polish/errmsg.txt
/usr/share/mysql/portuguese
/usr/share/mysql/portuguese/errmsg.sys
/usr/share/mysql/portuguese/errmsg.txt
/usr/share/mysql/romanian
/usr/share/mysql/romanian/errmsg.sys
/usr/share/mysql/romanian/errmsg.txt
/usr/share/mysql/russian
/usr/share/mysql/russian/errmsg.sys
/usr/share/mysql/russian/errmsg.txt
/usr/share/mysql/slovak
/usr/share/mysql/slovak/errmsg.sys
/usr/share/mysql/slovak/errmsg.txt
/usr/share/mysql/spanish
/usr/share/mysql/spanish/errmsg.sys
/usr/share/mysql/spanish/errmsg.txt
/usr/share/mysql/swedish
/usr/share/mysql/swedish/errmsg.sys
/usr/share/mysql/swedish/errmsg.txt
/usr/share/mysql/ukrainian
/usr/share/mysql/ukrainian/errmsg.sys
/usr/share/mysql/ukrainian/errmsg.txt


Thanks,
Peter Lehrer



From bpang at bpang.com  Mon Sep  8 11:11:51 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 11:11:51 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] First Big Client
Message-ID: <E19wNgF-00041v-IH@rslrs1-server.com>

Mark's advise is very sage.

Other things to consider are what you think they can afford and/or what
you can afford to do it for and whether or not there is likely to be any
follow-on work.

To address what you can afford to do it for; i.e. how low can you go;
consider how it impacts your capacity to do other work that might pay a
better rate. If you have nothing to do, need the money and have no other
prospects, doing a project for "not very much money" is a whole lot
better than doing nothing for no money.

I often am in the position to consider whether or not I will receive any
additional work from a client when I am pricing initial jobs for them.
If I am certain that it is a one-off, I will be far less inclined to
give them any price breaks to secure the business. If there is a good
chance that there will be more work coming from them, I will want to
develop the relationship and may consider giving them a lower or more
competitive price so that I can be a prefered vendor for them.

One forty hour job at $100/hour ($4000) is not as valuable to me as two
forty hour jobs at $65/hour ($5200) with the prospect for more work.

I have them over a barrel, I will usually give them my top hourly rate,
because, well, I can. Still, I won't overdo it and ask for $1,000/hour
because they never truly are over a barrel. There's always someone else
who can do it for $500/hour.

In considering what they can afford, you have to examine who they are.
Are they off-broadway actors (notoriously poor) or lawyers (notoriously
well-to-do). Start-up or well-established? Don't price yourself out of
their range of affordability.

Of course, if you can get them to divulge their budget, things get a lot
easier. If not, it can take a very keen sense to arrive at figures that
both parties are happy with.

Always leave yourself open to discussion and review of the feature sets
and price. I try not to allow the client to go ala carte with features,
but often their original requests contain parts of the site that are
very complex to implement and have little ROI. Identify those things,
cut them out and give them a revised quote.


Sorry for the lengthy reply that doesn't directly address your question.
:) Hope you/someone finds it useful.


Regarding your pricing, you need to start by breaking down the list of
features into sub-components.
"Content Management" is way to large to consider on its own.

Next, look at those sub-components and their details, then estimate how
long it might take you to implement (err on the high side, you'll be
glad you did later after returning to this list to seek additional
guidance).

Add that all up, multiply by your targeted hourly rate and add 10%-15%
(this is easy to knock-off later in negotiations without feeling like
you're getting ripped off).


If I were to price this out (not knowing what's involved in "and many
other features...") I would be solidly in the 5-figures range
($10,000-$99,000), maybe more. After all, you did say it was "custom." :)

Brian

> 
> Here are some [probably obvious] thoughts:
>  
> I would suggest thinking _not_ in terms of functionality (e.g. Content
> Management, Groupware, etc.) but rather value.  Bluntly stated, what will
> the _output_ of all this stuff do for your client.  How much money
will they
> save?  How many more prospects will it uncover?  How much faster will it
> increase their cash cycle?  In the perfect world, your invoice should be
> only slightly less than the value all of these combined - the delta
being a
> function of client management...remember (pardon the crude analogy) the
> difference between rape and making love is salesmanship!
>  
>
> 
> 
> Ok i ahve been developing PHP web application for a couple fo years
now but
> they have always been on a volunteer or personal basis.  Now I have a
client
> that wants a custom web application and I am not sure how much to charge
> them.  So of the features that this web application included are:
>  
> Contact Management 
> Personal Appointment book as well as global appointment book
> Resume management
> meeting management
> admin features(Such as adding new users)
> Sending out template based email to well over 100 individuals
> dynamic word document creation
> and many other features...
>  
> This system is replacing other application such as Goldmine, resume
grabber,
> and will also eliminate many steps such as sending emails in outlook.
>  
> if anyone has an idea on how much something like this goes for please
let me
> know.

<snipped a few lines here and there>




From hans at nyphp.org  Mon Sep  8 11:23:06 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 11:23:06 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Development methodology WAS: why does setcookie
	fail?????
In-Reply-To: <20030907182707.376.qmail@web14310.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030907182707.376.qmail@web14310.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3F5C9EDA.90507@nyphp.org>



Chris Shiflett wrote:

> --- Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg <adam at trachtenberg.com> wrote:
> 
>>But seriously, my suggestion is whenever you're getting frustrated
>>to take a deep breath, a five minute break, then come back and put
>>together a step-by-step list of what you're trying to
>>accomplish. Once you're armed with a list, you can then verify that
>>each step is getting the correct input and providing the correct
>>output. Often times, merely the process of figuring this out will
>>trigger what you should do to fix the bug.
> 
> 
> This is great advice. The setcookie line of questioning perfectly illustrates
> why erroneous assumptions can make simple problems into very complex ones.
> 
> For example, consider this calculation:
> 
> (25 * 4) * 10
> 
> There are basically three pieces of data here that are combined together in two
> operations to produce the final output. Now, consider this question:
> 
> Does anyone know WHY I can multiply 100 by 10 and get 1250??? See if you can
> explain THAT one!!!
> 
> After scores of messages back and forth, it is realized that the error was that
> the following calculation was actually being performed:
> 
> (25 * 5) * 10
> 
> So, if the question asked had been why 5 was being returned by something
> instead of 4, the answer would have been much easier (and less misleading).
> 
> Breaking things down is essential to solving problems. This should have been
> the first test to prove the assumption wrong:
> 
> 100 * 10
> 
> This would have given 1000, not 1250, so the erroneous assumption should never
> even be mentioned in the question. A little effort up front can save a lot of
> time for everyone.
> 
> Hope that helps.

This is great stuff.  Let's get something like this formalized and added into the Fundamentals website, alongside the Ten Commandments.  Website development is unqiue, in that there are several very seperate, yet equally vital, parts of the equation (for example, browser interaction, DB interaction, and application logic).  If any of these are broken, the whole system breaks, yet it can be difficult to know where the problem stems from.

H



From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Sun Sep  7 22:30:58 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 22:30:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mysql tree directory for php installation
References: <3F5C9B72.4574B841@eskimo.com>
Message-ID: <008101c375b1$3d57c7d0$6c00a8c0@thinkpad>

In your case it would be /usr/include/mysql but did you try to compile with
just --with-mysql + no directory option ... it normally works fine.

- Jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Lehrer" <pl at eskimo.com>
To: <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 11:08 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mysql tree directory for php installation


> Hi,
>
> I just installed the mysql rpm and now I need to know the location of
> the mysql tree to install php. However, when I checked, it seems that
> mysql is installed all over the place. The system I installed mysql is
> mandrake 7.0.
>
> Does anyone know the correct mysql tree to use with the installation
> flag
>
> with-mysql=DIR
>
> in this case - mysql installed from an rpm.
>
> Below is output from locate mysql:
>
> /etc/rc.d/init.d/mysql
> /etc/rc.d/rc0.d/K90mysql
> /etc/rc.d/rc1.d/K90mysql
> /etc/rc.d/rc2.d/S90mysql
> /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/S90mysql
> /etc/rc.d/rc4.d/S90mysql
> /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S90mysql
> /etc/rc.d/rc6.d/K90mysql
> /etc/logrotate.d/mysql
> /var/lib/mysql
> /var/lib/mysql/mysql
> /var/lib/mysql/test
> /var/lib/mysql/localhost.localdomain.err
> /var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock
> /var/lib/mysql/localhost.localdomain.pid
> /var/lock/subsys/mysql
> /usr/bin/mysqlbug
> /usr/bin/mysql_convert_table_format
> /usr/bin/mysql_fix_privilege_tables
> /usr/bin/mysql_zap
> /usr/bin/mysql_install_db
> /usr/bin/mysql_setpermission
> /usr/bin/mysqld_multi
> /usr/bin/mysqldumpslow
> /usr/bin/mysqlhotcopy
> /usr/bin/mysqltest
> /usr/bin/safe_mysqld
> /usr/bin/msql2mysql
> /usr/bin/mysql
> /usr/bin/mysql_find_rows
> /usr/bin/mysqlaccess
> /usr/bin/mysqladmin
> /usr/bin/mysqlbinlog
> /usr/bin/mysqlcheck
> /usr/bin/mysqldump
> /usr/bin/mysqlimport
> /usr/bin/mysqlshow
> /usr/bin/mysql_config
> /usr/include/mysql
> /usr/include/mysql/chardefs.h
> /usr/include/mysql/dbug.h
> /usr/include/mysql/errmsg.h
> /usr/include/mysql/history.h
> /usr/include/mysql/keymaps.h
> /usr/include/mysql/m_ctype.h
> /usr/include/mysql/m_string.h
> /usr/include/mysql/my_config.h
> /usr/include/mysql/my_global.h
> /usr/include/mysql/my_list.h
> /usr/include/mysql/my_net.h
> /usr/include/mysql/my_no_pthread.h
> /usr/include/mysql/my_pthread.h
> /usr/include/mysql/my_sys.h
> /usr/include/mysql/mysql.h
> /usr/include/mysql/mysql_com.h
> /usr/include/mysql/mysql_version.h
> /usr/include/mysql/mysqld_error.h
> /usr/include/mysql/raid.h
> /usr/include/mysql/readline.h
> /usr/include/mysql/sslopt-case.h
> /usr/include/mysql/sslopt-longopts.h
> /usr/include/mysql/sslopt-usage.h
> /usr/include/mysql/sslopt-vars.h
> /usr/include/mysql/tilde.h
> /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so
> /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.3.20.32a
> /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.4
> /usr/lib/mysql
> /usr/lib/mysql/mysqld.sym
> /usr/lib/mysql/mysqld-max.sym
> /usr/lib/mysql/libdbug.a
> /usr/lib/mysql/libheap.a
> /usr/lib/mysql/libmerge.a
> /usr/lib/mysql/libmyisam.a
> /usr/lib/mysql/libmyisammrg.a
> /usr/lib/mysql/libmysqlclient.a
> /usr/lib/mysql/libmystrings.a
> /usr/lib/mysql/libmysys.a
> /usr/lib/mysql/libnisam.a
> /usr/sbin/mysqld
> /usr/sbin/mysqld-max
> /usr/share/info/mysql.info.gz
> /usr/share/man/man1/mysql_zap.1.gz
> /usr/share/man/man1/mysqld.1.gz
> /usr/share/man/man1/mysqld_multi.1.gz
> /usr/share/man/man1/safe_mysqld.1.gz
> /usr/share/man/man1/mysql.1.gz
> /usr/share/man/man1/mysqlaccess.1.gz
> /usr/share/man/man1/mysqladmin.1.gz
> /usr/share/man/man1/mysqldump.1.gz
> /usr/share/man/man1/mysqlshow.1.gz
> /usr/share/mysql
> /usr/share/mysql/binary-configure
> /usr/share/mysql/charsets
> /usr/share/mysql/charsets/Index
> /usr/share/mysql/charsets/README
> /usr/share/mysql/charsets/cp1251.conf
> /usr/share/mysql/charsets/cp1257.conf
> /usr/share/mysql/charsets/croat.conf
> /usr/share/mysql/charsets/danish.conf
> /usr/share/mysql/charsets/dec8.conf
> /usr/share/mysql/charsets/dos.conf
> /usr/share/mysql/charsets/estonia.conf
> /usr/share/mysql/charsets/german1.conf
> /usr/share/mysql/charsets/greek.conf
> /usr/share/mysql/charsets/hebrew.conf
> /usr/share/mysql/charsets/hp8.conf
> /usr/share/mysql/charsets/hungarian.conf
> /usr/share/mysql/charsets/koi8_ru.conf
> /usr/share/mysql/charsets/koi8_ukr.conf
> /usr/share/mysql/charsets/latin1.conf
> /usr/share/mysql/charsets/latin2.conf
> /usr/share/mysql/charsets/latin5.conf
> /usr/share/mysql/charsets/swe7.conf
> /usr/share/mysql/charsets/usa7.conf
> /usr/share/mysql/charsets/win1250.conf
> /usr/share/mysql/charsets/win1251.conf
> /usr/share/mysql/charsets/win1251ukr.conf
> /usr/share/mysql/czech
> /usr/share/mysql/czech/errmsg.sys
> /usr/share/mysql/czech/errmsg.txt
> /usr/share/mysql/danish
> /usr/share/mysql/danish/errmsg.sys
> /usr/share/mysql/danish/errmsg.txt
> /usr/share/mysql/dutch
> /usr/share/mysql/dutch/errmsg.sys
> /usr/share/mysql/dutch/errmsg.txt
> /usr/share/mysql/english
> /usr/share/mysql/english/errmsg.sys
> /usr/share/mysql/english/errmsg.txt
> /usr/share/mysql/estonian
> /usr/share/mysql/estonian/errmsg.sys
> /usr/share/mysql/estonian/errmsg.txt
> /usr/share/mysql/french
> /usr/share/mysql/french/errmsg.sys
> /usr/share/mysql/french/errmsg.txt
> /usr/share/mysql/german
> /usr/share/mysql/german/errmsg.sys
> /usr/share/mysql/german/errmsg.txt
> /usr/share/mysql/greek
> /usr/share/mysql/greek/errmsg.sys
> /usr/share/mysql/greek/errmsg.txt
> /usr/share/mysql/hungarian
> /usr/share/mysql/hungarian/errmsg.sys
> /usr/share/mysql/hungarian/errmsg.txt
> /usr/share/mysql/italian
> /usr/share/mysql/italian/errmsg.sys
> /usr/share/mysql/italian/errmsg.txt
> /usr/share/mysql/japanese
> /usr/share/mysql/japanese/errmsg.sys
> /usr/share/mysql/japanese/errmsg.txt
> /usr/share/mysql/korean
> /usr/share/mysql/korean/errmsg.sys
> /usr/share/mysql/korean/errmsg.txt
> /usr/share/mysql/make_binary_distribution
> /usr/share/mysql/mi_test_all
> /usr/share/mysql/mi_test_all.res
> /usr/share/mysql/my-huge.cnf
> /usr/share/mysql/my-large.cnf
> /usr/share/mysql/my-medium.cnf
> /usr/share/mysql/my-small.cnf
> /usr/share/mysql/mysql-3.23.57.spec
> /usr/share/mysql/mysql-log-rotate
> /usr/share/mysql/mysql.server
> /usr/share/mysql/norwegian
> /usr/share/mysql/norwegian/errmsg.sys
> /usr/share/mysql/norwegian/errmsg.txt
> /usr/share/mysql/norwegian-ny
> /usr/share/mysql/norwegian-ny/errmsg.sys
> /usr/share/mysql/norwegian-ny/errmsg.txt
> /usr/share/mysql/polish
> /usr/share/mysql/polish/errmsg.sys
> /usr/share/mysql/polish/errmsg.txt
> /usr/share/mysql/portuguese
> /usr/share/mysql/portuguese/errmsg.sys
> /usr/share/mysql/portuguese/errmsg.txt
> /usr/share/mysql/romanian
> /usr/share/mysql/romanian/errmsg.sys
> /usr/share/mysql/romanian/errmsg.txt
> /usr/share/mysql/russian
> /usr/share/mysql/russian/errmsg.sys
> /usr/share/mysql/russian/errmsg.txt
> /usr/share/mysql/slovak
> /usr/share/mysql/slovak/errmsg.sys
> /usr/share/mysql/slovak/errmsg.txt
> /usr/share/mysql/spanish
> /usr/share/mysql/spanish/errmsg.sys
> /usr/share/mysql/spanish/errmsg.txt
> /usr/share/mysql/swedish
> /usr/share/mysql/swedish/errmsg.sys
> /usr/share/mysql/swedish/errmsg.txt
> /usr/share/mysql/ukrainian
> /usr/share/mysql/ukrainian/errmsg.sys
> /usr/share/mysql/ukrainian/errmsg.txt
>
>
> Thanks,
> Peter Lehrer
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>



From hans at nyphp.org  Mon Sep  8 11:27:02 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 11:27:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] working with a PHP class - help!
In-Reply-To: <0aa701c375aa$25b0f4f0$67a76244@philofsoa>
References: <0aa701c375aa$25b0f4f0$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <3F5C9FC6.3090206@nyphp.org>



Phil Powell wrote:

> My first time working with a PHP class, and after 6 hours of working out 
> the kinks I am unable to return a value from the class, so now I appeal 
> to the general audience what on earth did I do wrong this time?

I think you'll need to step back and revisit the code.  There's nothing special about return a value from a class method (in this case anyway).  However:  

>     $registrationNumber = $regNumberGenerator->getRegNumber();

When I examine the code you posted, that function is only defined as:

   function getRegNumber() {
    return $regNumber;
   }

Which doesn't do anything.

H





From pl at eskimo.com  Mon Sep  8 11:22:54 2003
From: pl at eskimo.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 11:22:54 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mysql tree directory for php installation
References: <3F5C9B72.4574B841@eskimo.com>
	<008101c375b1$3d57c7d0$6c00a8c0@thinkpad>
Message-ID: <3F5C9ECE.4D04F178@eskimo.com>

No I haven't compiled yet because it said in a book I am using that the
default is /usr/local.

Thanks for the help,

Peter Lehrer

jon baer wrote:

> In your case it would be /usr/include/mysql but did you try to compile with
> just --with-mysql + no directory option ... it normally works fine.
>
> - Jon
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Lehrer" <pl at eskimo.com>
> To: <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 11:08 AM
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] mysql tree directory for php installation
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I just installed the mysql rpm and now I need to know the location of
> > the mysql tree to install php. However, when I checked, it seems that
> > mysql is installed all over the place. The system I installed mysql is
> > mandrake 7.0.
> >
> > Does anyone know the correct mysql tree to use with the installation
> > flag
> >
> > with-mysql=DIR
> >
> > in this case - mysql installed from an rpm.
> >
> > Below is output from locate mysql:
> >
> > /etc/rc.d/init.d/mysql
> > /etc/rc.d/rc0.d/K90mysql
> > /etc/rc.d/rc1.d/K90mysql
> > /etc/rc.d/rc2.d/S90mysql
> > /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/S90mysql
> > /etc/rc.d/rc4.d/S90mysql
> > /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/S90mysql
> > /etc/rc.d/rc6.d/K90mysql
> > /etc/logrotate.d/mysql
> > /var/lib/mysql
> > /var/lib/mysql/mysql
> > /var/lib/mysql/test
> > /var/lib/mysql/localhost.localdomain.err
> > /var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock
> > /var/lib/mysql/localhost.localdomain.pid
> > /var/lock/subsys/mysql
> > /usr/bin/mysqlbug
> > /usr/bin/mysql_convert_table_format
> > /usr/bin/mysql_fix_privilege_tables
> > /usr/bin/mysql_zap
> > /usr/bin/mysql_install_db
> > /usr/bin/mysql_setpermission
> > /usr/bin/mysqld_multi
> > /usr/bin/mysqldumpslow
> > /usr/bin/mysqlhotcopy
> > /usr/bin/mysqltest
> > /usr/bin/safe_mysqld
> > /usr/bin/msql2mysql
> > /usr/bin/mysql
> > /usr/bin/mysql_find_rows
> > /usr/bin/mysqlaccess
> > /usr/bin/mysqladmin
> > /usr/bin/mysqlbinlog
> > /usr/bin/mysqlcheck
> > /usr/bin/mysqldump
> > /usr/bin/mysqlimport
> > /usr/bin/mysqlshow
> > /usr/bin/mysql_config
> > /usr/include/mysql
> > /usr/include/mysql/chardefs.h
> > /usr/include/mysql/dbug.h
> > /usr/include/mysql/errmsg.h
> > /usr/include/mysql/history.h
> > /usr/include/mysql/keymaps.h
> > /usr/include/mysql/m_ctype.h
> > /usr/include/mysql/m_string.h
> > /usr/include/mysql/my_config.h
> > /usr/include/mysql/my_global.h
> > /usr/include/mysql/my_list.h
> > /usr/include/mysql/my_net.h
> > /usr/include/mysql/my_no_pthread.h
> > /usr/include/mysql/my_pthread.h
> > /usr/include/mysql/my_sys.h
> > /usr/include/mysql/mysql.h
> > /usr/include/mysql/mysql_com.h
> > /usr/include/mysql/mysql_version.h
> > /usr/include/mysql/mysqld_error.h
> > /usr/include/mysql/raid.h
> > /usr/include/mysql/readline.h
> > /usr/include/mysql/sslopt-case.h
> > /usr/include/mysql/sslopt-longopts.h
> > /usr/include/mysql/sslopt-usage.h
> > /usr/include/mysql/sslopt-vars.h
> > /usr/include/mysql/tilde.h
> > /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so
> > /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.3.20.32a
> > /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.4
> > /usr/lib/mysql
> > /usr/lib/mysql/mysqld.sym
> > /usr/lib/mysql/mysqld-max.sym
> > /usr/lib/mysql/libdbug.a
> > /usr/lib/mysql/libheap.a
> > /usr/lib/mysql/libmerge.a
> > /usr/lib/mysql/libmyisam.a
> > /usr/lib/mysql/libmyisammrg.a
> > /usr/lib/mysql/libmysqlclient.a
> > /usr/lib/mysql/libmystrings.a
> > /usr/lib/mysql/libmysys.a
> > /usr/lib/mysql/libnisam.a
> > /usr/sbin/mysqld
> > /usr/sbin/mysqld-max
> > /usr/share/info/mysql.info.gz
> > /usr/share/man/man1/mysql_zap.1.gz
> > /usr/share/man/man1/mysqld.1.gz
> > /usr/share/man/man1/mysqld_multi.1.gz
> > /usr/share/man/man1/safe_mysqld.1.gz
> > /usr/share/man/man1/mysql.1.gz
> > /usr/share/man/man1/mysqlaccess.1.gz
> > /usr/share/man/man1/mysqladmin.1.gz
> > /usr/share/man/man1/mysqldump.1.gz
> > /usr/share/man/man1/mysqlshow.1.gz
> > /usr/share/mysql
> > /usr/share/mysql/binary-configure
> > /usr/share/mysql/charsets
> > /usr/share/mysql/charsets/Index
> > /usr/share/mysql/charsets/README
> > /usr/share/mysql/charsets/cp1251.conf
> > /usr/share/mysql/charsets/cp1257.conf
> > /usr/share/mysql/charsets/croat.conf
> > /usr/share/mysql/charsets/danish.conf
> > /usr/share/mysql/charsets/dec8.conf
> > /usr/share/mysql/charsets/dos.conf
> > /usr/share/mysql/charsets/estonia.conf
> > /usr/share/mysql/charsets/german1.conf
> > /usr/share/mysql/charsets/greek.conf
> > /usr/share/mysql/charsets/hebrew.conf
> > /usr/share/mysql/charsets/hp8.conf
> > /usr/share/mysql/charsets/hungarian.conf
> > /usr/share/mysql/charsets/koi8_ru.conf
> > /usr/share/mysql/charsets/koi8_ukr.conf
> > /usr/share/mysql/charsets/latin1.conf
> > /usr/share/mysql/charsets/latin2.conf
> > /usr/share/mysql/charsets/latin5.conf
> > /usr/share/mysql/charsets/swe7.conf
> > /usr/share/mysql/charsets/usa7.conf
> > /usr/share/mysql/charsets/win1250.conf
> > /usr/share/mysql/charsets/win1251.conf
> > /usr/share/mysql/charsets/win1251ukr.conf
> > /usr/share/mysql/czech
> > /usr/share/mysql/czech/errmsg.sys
> > /usr/share/mysql/czech/errmsg.txt
> > /usr/share/mysql/danish
> > /usr/share/mysql/danish/errmsg.sys
> > /usr/share/mysql/danish/errmsg.txt
> > /usr/share/mysql/dutch
> > /usr/share/mysql/dutch/errmsg.sys
> > /usr/share/mysql/dutch/errmsg.txt
> > /usr/share/mysql/english
> > /usr/share/mysql/english/errmsg.sys
> > /usr/share/mysql/english/errmsg.txt
> > /usr/share/mysql/estonian
> > /usr/share/mysql/estonian/errmsg.sys
> > /usr/share/mysql/estonian/errmsg.txt
> > /usr/share/mysql/french
> > /usr/share/mysql/french/errmsg.sys
> > /usr/share/mysql/french/errmsg.txt
> > /usr/share/mysql/german
> > /usr/share/mysql/german/errmsg.sys
> > /usr/share/mysql/german/errmsg.txt
> > /usr/share/mysql/greek
> > /usr/share/mysql/greek/errmsg.sys
> > /usr/share/mysql/greek/errmsg.txt
> > /usr/share/mysql/hungarian
> > /usr/share/mysql/hungarian/errmsg.sys
> > /usr/share/mysql/hungarian/errmsg.txt
> > /usr/share/mysql/italian
> > /usr/share/mysql/italian/errmsg.sys
> > /usr/share/mysql/italian/errmsg.txt
> > /usr/share/mysql/japanese
> > /usr/share/mysql/japanese/errmsg.sys
> > /usr/share/mysql/japanese/errmsg.txt
> > /usr/share/mysql/korean
> > /usr/share/mysql/korean/errmsg.sys
> > /usr/share/mysql/korean/errmsg.txt
> > /usr/share/mysql/make_binary_distribution
> > /usr/share/mysql/mi_test_all
> > /usr/share/mysql/mi_test_all.res
> > /usr/share/mysql/my-huge.cnf
> > /usr/share/mysql/my-large.cnf
> > /usr/share/mysql/my-medium.cnf
> > /usr/share/mysql/my-small.cnf
> > /usr/share/mysql/mysql-3.23.57.spec
> > /usr/share/mysql/mysql-log-rotate
> > /usr/share/mysql/mysql.server
> > /usr/share/mysql/norwegian
> > /usr/share/mysql/norwegian/errmsg.sys
> > /usr/share/mysql/norwegian/errmsg.txt
> > /usr/share/mysql/norwegian-ny
> > /usr/share/mysql/norwegian-ny/errmsg.sys
> > /usr/share/mysql/norwegian-ny/errmsg.txt
> > /usr/share/mysql/polish
> > /usr/share/mysql/polish/errmsg.sys
> > /usr/share/mysql/polish/errmsg.txt
> > /usr/share/mysql/portuguese
> > /usr/share/mysql/portuguese/errmsg.sys
> > /usr/share/mysql/portuguese/errmsg.txt
> > /usr/share/mysql/romanian
> > /usr/share/mysql/romanian/errmsg.sys
> > /usr/share/mysql/romanian/errmsg.txt
> > /usr/share/mysql/russian
> > /usr/share/mysql/russian/errmsg.sys
> > /usr/share/mysql/russian/errmsg.txt
> > /usr/share/mysql/slovak
> > /usr/share/mysql/slovak/errmsg.sys
> > /usr/share/mysql/slovak/errmsg.txt
> > /usr/share/mysql/spanish
> > /usr/share/mysql/spanish/errmsg.sys
> > /usr/share/mysql/spanish/errmsg.txt
> > /usr/share/mysql/swedish
> > /usr/share/mysql/swedish/errmsg.sys
> > /usr/share/mysql/swedish/errmsg.txt
> > /usr/share/mysql/ukrainian
> > /usr/share/mysql/ukrainian/errmsg.sys
> > /usr/share/mysql/ukrainian/errmsg.txt
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Peter Lehrer
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> talk at lists.nyphp.org
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From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Mon Sep  8 12:37:08 2003
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 12:37:08 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP growth
Message-ID: <000001c37627$728b9be0$bf8d3818@OBERON1>

  Thought this might be of interest:

Posted August 30, 2003 01:42 PM @ news.netcraft.com

Although PHP is universally thought of as implying Linux, Apache and MySQL,
nearly 7% of PHP sites [when counting by ip address] run on Windows. This
has doubled over the last year, and on its current growth trajectory PHP
will overtake (my emphasis) Cold Fusion as the most popular non-Microsoft
scripting language used on Windows during the next year.

Web site developers are less dogmatic than many analysts like to portray,
and are prepared to mix development paradigms when it suits their purpose.
.. Scripting languages are seeing the best growth of any class of web
technologies presently as site owners seek to make their sites more
sophisticated and see a good return on the development time invested.

Excerpted from:
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2003/08/30/php_growing_surprisingly_strong
ly_on_windows.html

 

 

Tim G.

 

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From rudy at taytek.com  Mon Sep  8 14:02:23 2003
From: rudy at taytek.com (Rudy Gamberini)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 14:02:23 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Include File Access
Message-ID: <HPEDLHFCBCJOAJDODGKMOEBFCEAA.rudy@taytek.com>

Give the following web site file architecture:

           Root
              |
     -----------------------------
     |                 |              |          |
page1         page2      page3    inc

I place my util.php file in the "inc" directory.  As it turns out I need to
access this file from the Root directory as well as the various page
directories.  While I can place the relative path to the include file with
{ include "./inc/util.php"  } for the Root and   { include
"../inc/util.php" }  for the sub-pages, this causes problems with my common
code.

I construct my pages with common code that controls the left side of the
page.  This code utilizes the functions in the util.php include.  As it
stands now the include fails because the util.php file cannot be found.  I
really don't want to modify this include statement for each of my pages
depending on their depth relative to the directory containing the include
files.

Granted I could flatten the site structure and get rid of this problem but
that would create considerable complexity when trying to work on the site.

I was thinking about creating an environment PATH to the inc directory as
one way to keep the include code that same and still be able to access the
util.php file.

Any suggestions??

Thanks,
Rudy


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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Mon Sep  8 14:17:45 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 14:17:45 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Include File Access
In-Reply-To: <HPEDLHFCBCJOAJDODGKMOEBFCEAA.rudy@taytek.com>
Message-ID: <005601c37635$80ef0c40$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

You may want to examine this thread
(http://lists.nyphp.org/pipermail/talk/2003-September/005065.html )
since we were just discussing this very question.
 
Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Rudy Gamberini
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 1:02 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Include File Access


Give the following web site file architecture:
 
           Root
              |
     -----------------------------
     |                 |              |          |
page1         page2      page3    inc
 
I place my util.php file in the "inc" directory.  As it turns out I need
to access this file from the Root directory as well as the various page
directories.  While I can place the relative path to the include file
with   { include "./inc/util.php"  } for the Root and   { include
"../inc/util.php" }  for the sub-pages, this causes problems with my
common code.   
 
I construct my pages with common code that controls the left side of the
page.  This code utilizes the functions in the util.php include.  As it
stands now the include fails because the util.php file cannot be found.
I really don't want to modify this include statement for each of my
pages depending on their depth relative to the directory containing the
include files.  
 
Granted I could flatten the site structure and get rid of this problem
but that would create considerable complexity when trying to work on the
site.  
 
I was thinking about creating an environment PATH to the inc directory
as one way to keep the include code that same and still be able to
access the util.php file.  
 
Any suggestions??
 
Thanks,
Rudy
 

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From southwell at dneba.com  Mon Sep  8 14:27:41 2003
From: southwell at dneba.com (Michael Southwell)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 14:27:41 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Include File Access
In-Reply-To: <HPEDLHFCBCJOAJDODGKMOEBFCEAA.rudy@taytek.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030908142612.00b64e48@mail.optonline.net>

This is precisely what the recent Fundamentals topic was.  Within a week we 
should have a beta of "best [or at least common] practices"--no help to you 
now, I realize--except that you have just contributed yet another element 
to the complexity of the example.


At 02:02 PM 9/8/2003, you wrote:
>Give the following web site file architecture:
>
>            Root
>               |
>      -----------------------------
>      |                 |              |          |
>page1         page2      page3    inc
>
>I place my util.php file in the "inc" directory.  As it turns out I need 
>to access this file from the Root directory as well as the various page 
>directories.  While I can place the relative path to the include file 
>with   { include "./inc/util.php"  } for the Root and   { include 
>"../inc/util.php" }  for the sub-pages, this causes problems with my 
>common code.
>
>I construct my pages with common code that controls the left side of the 
>page.  This code utilizes the functions in the util.php include.  As it 
>stands now the include fails because the util.php file cannot be found.  I 
>really don't want to modify this include statement for each of my pages 
>depending on their depth relative to the directory containing the include 
>files.
>
>Granted I could flatten the site structure and get rid of this problem but 
>that would create considerable complexity when trying to work on the site.
>
>I was thinking about creating an environment PATH to the inc directory as 
>one way to keep the include code that same and still be able to access the 
>util.php file.
>
>Any suggestions??
>
>Thanks,
>Rudy
>
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk

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From southwell at dneba.com  Mon Sep  8 14:28:44 2003
From: southwell at dneba.com (Michael Southwell)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 14:28:44 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fwd: Re: [nycphp-dev] Sept. Presentation/Meeting
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030908142805.00b65e90@wheresmymailserver.com>


>Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 14:24:07 -0400
>To: NYPHP Development <dev at lists.nyphp.org>
>From: Michael Southwell <southwell at dneba.com>
>Subject: Re: [nycphp-dev] Sept. Presentation/Meeting
>
>At 12:07 PM 9/8/2003, you wrote:
>>>H,
>>>I won't have time to prepare a full presentation, but I could fill in about
>>>1 hour. Lets try to get another shorty and have a double espresso !
>>
>>OK, we can go with that then.  Anyone have ideas for another short 
>>presentation (like half an hour?) or would like to give one 
>>themselves?  Maybe even a crash course on a PHP extension, application or 
>>technique?  Heck, even a newbie corner, or a review of the last 
>>Fundamentals topic?
>
>yes, Hans, you can show the beta of the note (I'll leave it at dneba.com 
>but fix it later today) and people can tear it apart (I hope not).  Then 
>we'll have our final version.

I meant on the $var evaluation topic



>>Heh, there's a lot of options; what would people like to see?
>>
>>H
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>dev mailing list
>>dev at lists.nyphp.org
>>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
>
>Michael G. Southwell =================================
>DNEBA Enterprises
>81 South Road
>Bloomingdale, NJ 07403-1419
>973/492-7873 (voice and fax)
>southwell at dneba.com
>http://www.dneba.com
>======================================================

Michael G. Southwell =================================
DNEBA Enterprises
81 South Road
Bloomingdale, NJ 07403-1419
973/492-7873 (voice and fax)
southwell at dneba.com
http://www.dneba.com
======================================================




From rudy at taytek.com  Mon Sep  8 14:35:57 2003
From: rudy at taytek.com (Rudy Gamberini)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 14:35:57 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Development methodology WAS: why does
	setcookiefail?????
In-Reply-To: <3F5C9EDA.90507@nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <HPEDLHFCBCJOAJDODGKMAEBHCEAA.rudy@taytek.com>

Hans,
Was it by design that you picked db interaction (Model), Browser interaction
(View), Application logic (Controller).  Sounds a lot like MVC architecture.

I have been building dynamic sites for a while now and have been use MVC as
my approach. It is implement via three state machines, Business State
Machine (Controller), Forms State Machine (View) and a Message State Machine
(not part of the MVC).  Underneath it all is the database which goes almost
without saying (Model).

I been using NetObjects Fusion as my html tool of choice and it has provided
a framework that is very object like.  Hardly ideal but workable.

I try to be as object oriented in my approach as possible meaning that most
visual objects carry with them their behavior.  As the business state
changes the objects respond accordingly either by making themselves visible
or changing configuration.  I have found that by focusing my design to
individual objects, the implementation is greatly simplified.  While a
complex page may consist of many individual objects they are all being
driven by the business state machine.

Just food for thought.

Rudy

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Hans Zaunere
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 11:23 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Development methodology WAS: why does
setcookiefail?????




Chris Shiflett wrote:

> --- Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg <adam at trachtenberg.com> wrote:
>
>>But seriously, my suggestion is whenever you're getting frustrated
>>to take a deep breath, a five minute break, then come back and put
>>together a step-by-step list of what you're trying to
>>accomplish. Once you're armed with a list, you can then verify that
>>each step is getting the correct input and providing the correct
>>output. Often times, merely the process of figuring this out will
>>trigger what you should do to fix the bug.
>
>
> This is great advice. The setcookie line of questioning perfectly
illustrates
> why erroneous assumptions can make simple problems into very complex ones.
>
> For example, consider this calculation:
>
> (25 * 4) * 10
>
> There are basically three pieces of data here that are combined together
in two
> operations to produce the final output. Now, consider this question:
>
> Does anyone know WHY I can multiply 100 by 10 and get 1250??? See if you
can
> explain THAT one!!!
>
> After scores of messages back and forth, it is realized that the error was
that
> the following calculation was actually being performed:
>
> (25 * 5) * 10
>
> So, if the question asked had been why 5 was being returned by something
> instead of 4, the answer would have been much easier (and less
misleading).
>
> Breaking things down is essential to solving problems. This should have
been
> the first test to prove the assumption wrong:
>
> 100 * 10
>
> This would have given 1000, not 1250, so the erroneous assumption should
never
> even be mentioned in the question. A little effort up front can save a lot
of
> time for everyone.
>
> Hope that helps.

This is great stuff.  Let's get something like this formalized and added
into the Fundamentals website, alongside the Ten Commandments.  Website
development is unqiue, in that there are several very seperate, yet equally
vital, parts of the equation (for example, browser interaction, DB
interaction, and application logic).  If any of these are broken, the whole
system breaks, yet it can be difficult to know where the problem stems from.

H

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From rudy at taytek.com  Mon Sep  8 14:40:57 2003
From: rudy at taytek.com (Rudy Gamberini)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 14:40:57 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Include File Access
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030908142612.00b64e48@mail.optonline.net>
Message-ID: <HPEDLHFCBCJOAJDODGKMEEBHCEAA.rudy@taytek.com>

Thanks for the info.  Before posting this question I reviewed the
Fundamentals topic and wasn't able to find a solution.  I try to stay
current with this list and feel like I taking a college course that requires
considerable reading every night.

If I figure out an approach to my issue you can be sure I will offer it up
to the Fundamentals topic.  For now I'll do some trail blazing of my own.

Rudy


-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Michael Southwell
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 2:28 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Include File Access


This is precisely what the recent Fundamentals topic was.  Within a week we
should have a beta of "best [or at least common] practices"--no help to you
now, I realize--except that you have just contributed yet another element
to the complexity of the example.


At 02:02 PM 9/8/2003, you wrote:
>Give the following web site file architecture:
>
>            Root
>               |
>      -----------------------------
>      |                 |              |          |
>page1         page2      page3    inc
>
>I place my util.php file in the "inc" directory.  As it turns out I need
>to access this file from the Root directory as well as the various page
>directories.  While I can place the relative path to the include file
>with   { include "./inc/util.php"  } for the Root and   { include
>"../inc/util.php" }  for the sub-pages, this causes problems with my
>common code.
>
>I construct my pages with common code that controls the left side of the
>page.  This code utilizes the functions in the util.php include.  As it
>stands now the include fails because the util.php file cannot be found.  I
>really don't want to modify this include statement for each of my pages
>depending on their depth relative to the directory containing the include
>files.
>
>Granted I could flatten the site structure and get rid of this problem but
>that would create considerable complexity when trying to work on the site.
>
>I was thinking about creating an environment PATH to the inc directory as
>one way to keep the include code that same and still be able to access the
>util.php file.
>
>Any suggestions??
>
>Thanks,
>Rudy
>
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk

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Bloomingdale, NJ 07403-1419
973/492-7873 (voice and fax)
southwell at dneba.com
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From dorgan at optonline.net  Mon Sep  8 14:45:02 2003
From: dorgan at optonline.net (Donald J. Organ IV)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 14:45:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] First Big Client
References: <E19wNgF-00041v-IH@rslrs1-server.com>
Message-ID: <00a001c37639$509325a0$c801a8c0@dj>

Thanks Mark, everyone that has responded to the post, both on and off the
list, I thank you every bit of information helps.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Pang" <bpang at bpang.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 11:11 AM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] First Big Client


> Mark's advise is very sage.
>
> Other things to consider are what you think they can afford and/or what
> you can afford to do it for and whether or not there is likely to be any
> follow-on work.
>
> To address what you can afford to do it for; i.e. how low can you go;
> consider how it impacts your capacity to do other work that might pay a
> better rate. If you have nothing to do, need the money and have no other
> prospects, doing a project for "not very much money" is a whole lot
> better than doing nothing for no money.
>
> I often am in the position to consider whether or not I will receive any
> additional work from a client when I am pricing initial jobs for them.
> If I am certain that it is a one-off, I will be far less inclined to
> give them any price breaks to secure the business. If there is a good
> chance that there will be more work coming from them, I will want to
> develop the relationship and may consider giving them a lower or more
> competitive price so that I can be a prefered vendor for them.
>
> One forty hour job at $100/hour ($4000) is not as valuable to me as two
> forty hour jobs at $65/hour ($5200) with the prospect for more work.
>
> I have them over a barrel, I will usually give them my top hourly rate,
> because, well, I can. Still, I won't overdo it and ask for $1,000/hour
> because they never truly are over a barrel. There's always someone else
> who can do it for $500/hour.
>
> In considering what they can afford, you have to examine who they are.
> Are they off-broadway actors (notoriously poor) or lawyers (notoriously
> well-to-do). Start-up or well-established? Don't price yourself out of
> their range of affordability.
>
> Of course, if you can get them to divulge their budget, things get a lot
> easier. If not, it can take a very keen sense to arrive at figures that
> both parties are happy with.
>
> Always leave yourself open to discussion and review of the feature sets
> and price. I try not to allow the client to go ala carte with features,
> but often their original requests contain parts of the site that are
> very complex to implement and have little ROI. Identify those things,
> cut them out and give them a revised quote.
>
>
> Sorry for the lengthy reply that doesn't directly address your question.
> :) Hope you/someone finds it useful.
>
>
> Regarding your pricing, you need to start by breaking down the list of
> features into sub-components.
> "Content Management" is way to large to consider on its own.
>
> Next, look at those sub-components and their details, then estimate how
> long it might take you to implement (err on the high side, you'll be
> glad you did later after returning to this list to seek additional
> guidance).
>
> Add that all up, multiply by your targeted hourly rate and add 10%-15%
> (this is easy to knock-off later in negotiations without feeling like
> you're getting ripped off).
>
>
> If I were to price this out (not knowing what's involved in "and many
> other features...") I would be solidly in the 5-figures range
> ($10,000-$99,000), maybe more. After all, you did say it was "custom." :)
>
> Brian
>
> >
> > Here are some [probably obvious] thoughts:
> >
> > I would suggest thinking _not_ in terms of functionality (e.g. Content
> > Management, Groupware, etc.) but rather value.  Bluntly stated, what
will
> > the _output_ of all this stuff do for your client.  How much money
> will they
> > save?  How many more prospects will it uncover?  How much faster will it
> > increase their cash cycle?  In the perfect world, your invoice should be
> > only slightly less than the value all of these combined - the delta
> being a
> > function of client management...remember (pardon the crude analogy) the
> > difference between rape and making love is salesmanship!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ok i ahve been developing PHP web application for a couple fo years
> now but
> > they have always been on a volunteer or personal basis.  Now I have a
> client
> > that wants a custom web application and I am not sure how much to charge
> > them.  So of the features that this web application included are:
> >
> > Contact Management
> > Personal Appointment book as well as global appointment book
> > Resume management
> > meeting management
> > admin features(Such as adding new users)
> > Sending out template based email to well over 100 individuals
> > dynamic word document creation
> > and many other features...
> >
> > This system is replacing other application such as Goldmine, resume
> grabber,
> > and will also eliminate many steps such as sending emails in outlook.
> >
> > if anyone has an idea on how much something like this goes for please
> let me
> > know.
>
> <snipped a few lines here and there>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From dorgan at optonline.net  Mon Sep  8 14:46:28 2003
From: dorgan at optonline.net (Donald J. Organ IV)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 14:46:28 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] First Big Client
References: <E19wNgF-00041v-IH@rslrs1-server.com>
	<00a001c37639$509325a0$c801a8c0@dj>
Message-ID: <00db01c37639$839ec620$c801a8c0@dj>

I meant thanx Brian also, that was the first name the drew my attention but
like I said thank you to everyone that has responded both on and off the
list

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Donald J. Organ IV" <dorgan at optonline.net>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] First Big Client


> Thanks Mark, everyone that has responded to the post, both on and off the
> list, I thank you every bit of information helps.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Brian Pang" <bpang at bpang.com>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 11:11 AM
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] First Big Client
>
>
> > Mark's advise is very sage.
> >
> > Other things to consider are what you think they can afford and/or what
> > you can afford to do it for and whether or not there is likely to be any
> > follow-on work.
> >
> > To address what you can afford to do it for; i.e. how low can you go;
> > consider how it impacts your capacity to do other work that might pay a
> > better rate. If you have nothing to do, need the money and have no other
> > prospects, doing a project for "not very much money" is a whole lot
> > better than doing nothing for no money.
> >
> > I often am in the position to consider whether or not I will receive any
> > additional work from a client when I am pricing initial jobs for them.
> > If I am certain that it is a one-off, I will be far less inclined to
> > give them any price breaks to secure the business. If there is a good
> > chance that there will be more work coming from them, I will want to
> > develop the relationship and may consider giving them a lower or more
> > competitive price so that I can be a prefered vendor for them.
> >
> > One forty hour job at $100/hour ($4000) is not as valuable to me as two
> > forty hour jobs at $65/hour ($5200) with the prospect for more work.
> >
> > I have them over a barrel, I will usually give them my top hourly rate,

> > because, well, I can. Still, I won't overdo it and ask for $1,000/hour
> > because they never truly are over a barrel. There's always someone else
> > who can do it for $500/hour.
> >
> > In considering what they can afford, you have to examine who they are.
> > Are they off-broadway actors (notoriously poor) or lawyers (notoriously
> > well-to-do). Start-up or well-established? Don't price yourself out of
> > their range of affordability.
> >
> > Of course, if you can get them to divulge their budget, things get a lot
> > easier. If not, it can take a very keen sense to arrive at figures that
> > both parties are happy with.
> >
> > Always leave yourself open to discussion and review of the feature sets
> > and price. I try not to allow the client to go ala carte with features,
> > but often their original requests contain parts of the site that are
> > very complex to implement and have little ROI. Identify those things,
> > cut them out and give them a revised quote.
> >
> >
> > Sorry for the lengthy reply that doesn't directly address your question.
> > :) Hope you/someone finds it useful.
> >
> >
> > Regarding your pricing, you need to start by breaking down the list of
> > features into sub-components.
> > "Content Management" is way to large to consider on its own.
> >
> > Next, look at those sub-components and their details, then estimate how
> > long it might take you to implement (err on the high side, you'll be
> > glad you did later after returning to this list to seek additional
> > guidance).
> >
> > Add that all up, multiply by your targeted hourly rate and add 10%-15%
> > (this is easy to knock-off later in negotiations without feeling like
> > you're getting ripped off).
> >
> >
> > If I were to price this out (not knowing what's involved in "and many
> > other features...") I would be solidly in the 5-figures range
> > ($10,000-$99,000), maybe more. After all, you did say it was "custom."
:)
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > >
> > > Here are some [probably obvious] thoughts:
> > >
> > > I would suggest thinking _not_ in terms of functionality (e.g. Content
> > > Management, Groupware, etc.) but rather value.  Bluntly stated, what
> will
> > > the _output_ of all this stuff do for your client.  How much money
> > will they
> > > save?  How many more prospects will it uncover?  How much faster will
it
> > > increase their cash cycle?  In the perfect world, your invoice should
be
> > > only slightly less than the value all of these combined - the delta
> > being a
> > > function of client management...remember (pardon the crude analogy)
the
> > > difference between rape and making love is salesmanship!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ok i ahve been developing PHP web application for a couple fo years
> > now but
> > > they have always been on a volunteer or personal basis.  Now I have a
> > client
> > > that wants a custom web application and I am not sure how much to
charge
> > > them.  So of the features that this web application included are:
> > >
> > > Contact Management
> > > Personal Appointment book as well as global appointment book
> > > Resume management
> > > meeting management
> > > admin features(Such as adding new users)
> > > Sending out template based email to well over 100 individuals
> > > dynamic word document creation
> > > and many other features...
> > >
> > > This system is replacing other application such as Goldmine, resume
> > grabber,
> > > and will also eliminate many steps such as sending emails in outlook.
> > >
> > > if anyone has an idea on how much something like this goes for please
> > let me
> > > know.
> >
> > <snipped a few lines here and there>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From bpang at bpang.com  Mon Sep  8 14:55:45 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 14:55:45 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Include File Access
Message-ID: <E19wRAv-0000Iw-Cp@rslrs1-server.com>

look again at my approach.. of course, my opinion is biased that this is
the best way to go

http://lists.nyphp.org/pipermail/talk/2003-September/005156.html

http://lists.nyphp.org/pipermail/talk/2003-September/005137.html


anyone know why my posts don't continue within the threads? Sorry, I
don't mean for that to happen.





> Thanks for the info.  Before posting this question I reviewed the
> Fundamentals topic and wasn't able to find a solution.  I try to stay
> current with this list and feel like I taking a college course that
requires
> considerable reading every night.



From csnyder at chxo.com  Mon Sep  8 15:01:35 2003
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:01:35 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Include File Access
In-Reply-To: <HPEDLHFCBCJOAJDODGKMEEBHCEAA.rudy@taytek.com>
References: <HPEDLHFCBCJOAJDODGKMEEBHCEAA.rudy@taytek.com>
Message-ID: <3F5CD20F.5090806@chxo.com>

Obviously a quick solution would be to just use the absolute path to the 
util.php file... or am I missing something?

If you had a number of such paths that you needed to set (or other 
vlaues that you wanted to make available to every script in the 
application), you could define() them as constants in a config.php file:

config.php:

    <?php
    // constants for my application
    define ( 'APP_UTIL', '/path/to/www/inc/util.php' );
    ... other stuff  

script.php:

    <?php
    require_once('/path/to/config.php');
    include(APP_UTIL);

You sill have to change all your files if the path to the config.php 
file changes, of course.

     csnyder

Rudy Gamberini wrote:

>Thanks for the info.  Before posting this question I reviewed the
>Fundamentals topic and wasn't able to find a solution.  I try to stay
>current with this list and feel like I taking a college course that requires
>considerable reading every night.
>
>If I figure out an approach to my issue you can be sure I will offer it up
>to the Fundamentals topic.  For now I'll do some trail blazing of my own.
>
>Rudy
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
>[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Michael Southwell
>Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 2:28 PM
>To: NYPHP Talk
>Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Include File Access
>
>
>This is precisely what the recent Fundamentals topic was.  Within a week we
>should have a beta of "best [or at least common] practices"--no help to you
>now, I realize--except that you have just contributed yet another element
>to the complexity of the example.
>
>
>At 02:02 PM 9/8/2003, you wrote:
>  
>
>>Give the following web site file architecture:
>>
>>           Root
>>              |
>>     -----------------------------
>>     |                 |              |          |
>>page1         page2      page3    inc
>>
>>I place my util.php file in the "inc" directory.  As it turns out I need
>>to access this file from the Root directory as well as the various page
>>directories.  While I can place the relative path to the include file
>>with   { include "./inc/util.php"  } for the Root and   { include
>>"../inc/util.php" }  for the sub-pages, this causes problems with my
>>common code.
>>
>>I construct my pages with common code that controls the left side of the
>>page.  This code utilizes the functions in the util.php include.  As it
>>stands now the include fails because the util.php file cannot be found.  I
>>really don't want to modify this include statement for each of my pages
>>depending on their depth relative to the directory containing the include
>>files.
>>
>>Granted I could flatten the site structure and get rid of this problem but
>>that would create considerable complexity when trying to work on the site.
>>
>>I was thinking about creating an environment PATH to the inc directory as
>>one way to keep the include code that same and still be able to access the
>>util.php file.
>>
>>Any suggestions??
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Rudy
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>talk mailing list
>>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>    
>>
>
>Michael G. Southwell =================================
>DNEBA Enterprises
>81 South Road
>Bloomingdale, NJ 07403-1419
>973/492-7873 (voice and fax)
>southwell at dneba.com
>http://www.dneba.com
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From dkrook at hotmail.com  Mon Sep  8 15:03:26 2003
From: dkrook at hotmail.com (D C Krook)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:03:26 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Include File Access
Message-ID: <BAY2-F22MX5AzeipEC10001d391@hotmail.com>

Rudy,

If you structure your include statement look like this, it will work no 
matter where you place the calling page:

include($_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT'].'/inc/util.php);


>I was thinking about creating an environment PATH to the inc directory as
>one way to keep the include code that same and still be able to access the
>util.php file.
>
>Any suggestions??

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From dmintz at panix.com  Mon Sep  8 15:08:47 2003
From: dmintz at panix.com (David Mintz)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 15:08:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] First Big Client
In-Reply-To: <E19wNgF-00041v-IH@rslrs1-server.com>
References: <E19wNgF-00041v-IH@rslrs1-server.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.56.0309081450260.14823@panix5.panix.com>



Brian's et al's comments are most helpful to this semi-professionl PHP
dude who would like to get more work. There are lots of intriguing
questions that I have about hourly rates, going rates, care and feeding of
clients, and perhaps most important, how to estimate the hours that a
project will take. I used to think ewerything took me 8 times longer than
I thought it should because of my incompetence. Now I think, yeah, I'm a
plodder, that's part of it... but it ain't the whole story. This stuff
takes time. (Yeah I know, all other things being equal, the genius will
bang it out in an afternoon while three weeks later, the non-genius' brain
will be fried, eyes stinging from too much monitor-staring, the job still
not done.)

Some of these are delicate questions that are perhaps best discussed in a
nonpublic forum, Once upon a time the translation and interpretation
industry (in which I have my day job) was the subject of FTC investigation
for price-fixing, because people were talking about what to charge. It was
not pleasant.

Maybe I'll show up at that party on the 19th and pick you-guys' brains.

---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/
Email: See http://dmintzweb.com/whitelist.php first!

"Y d?le p'abajo"

	Tito Rojas


From hans at nyphp.org  Mon Sep  8 15:19:13 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:19:13 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Development methodology WAS: why
	does	setcookiefail?????
In-Reply-To: <HPEDLHFCBCJOAJDODGKMAEBHCEAA.rudy@taytek.com>
References: <HPEDLHFCBCJOAJDODGKMAEBHCEAA.rudy@taytek.com>
Message-ID: <3F5CD631.7030604@nyphp.org>



Rudy Gamberini wrote:

> Hans,
> Was it by design that you picked db interaction (Model), Browser interaction
> (View), Application logic (Controller).  Sounds a lot like MVC architecture.

Yes and no.  I've always felt that a well designed and architectured site is divided up into these three main areas.  Regardless of the label, or the implementation itself, good design is good design.

> I have been building dynamic sites for a while now and have been use MVC as
> my approach. It is implement via three state machines, Business State
> Machine (Controller), Forms State Machine (View) and a Message State Machine
> (not part of the MVC).  Underneath it all is the database which goes almost
> without saying (Model).

I agree to a large degree.  All sites, no matter how complex, have these three main segments.  It's a matter of implementation, at the architectural and code levels, how successful and well designed a site is.

> I been using NetObjects Fusion as my html tool of choice and it has provided
> a framework that is very object like.  Hardly ideal but workable.
> 
> I try to be as object oriented in my approach as possible meaning that most
> visual objects carry with them their behavior.  As the business state
> changes the objects respond accordingly either by making themselves visible
> or changing configuration.  I have found that by focusing my design to
> individual objects, the implementation is greatly simplified.  While a
> complex page may consist of many individual objects they are all being
> driven by the business state machine.

Personally, I'm not a big fan of complex OO designs, especially in PHP4.  Putting aside performance issues, I've found classes/objects become inflexible and hackish as they start to grow in complexity.  And by complexity, I mean complex logic and processes; they're great for storing "physically" related data.  I think most would be hard pressed to show an 100% OO site.  There are always some "glue" functions, and instead of forcing a lot of logic into classes, a bit more equally weighted OO/procedural design can be great.

The most successful model I've found is a hybrid of OO and procedural.  That is to say, an object representing a more-or-less physical item or data, which is then processed and handled by various functions.  This is still MVC in an architectural sense, but I've found it allows a greater degree of seperation between logic and data.  Granted, with PHP4 you're not going to see much of a performance boost versus strict OOD.

Just a couple of cents,

H





From bpang at bpang.com  Mon Sep  8 15:13:09 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:13:09 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Include File Access
Message-ID: <E19wRRl-00027F-G9@rslrs1-server.com>

This is what I used to do until I changed servers and then had to change
all those paths...
I see now that dckrook is on the $_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT'] bandwagon...

>     require_once('/path/to/config.php');

<snipped>


From hans at nyphp.org  Mon Sep  8 15:26:38 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:26:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Include File Access
In-Reply-To: <E19wRAv-0000Iw-Cp@rslrs1-server.com>
References: <E19wRAv-0000Iw-Cp@rslrs1-server.com>
Message-ID: <3F5CD7EE.5080708@nyphp.org>


You might be able to leverage include_path a bit?

-- in php.ini itself
-- using a .htaccess or httpd.conf "Apache time" configuration change
-- http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.set-include-path.php
-- ini_set()

You can then change the include path, even at run time, as needed. While this can be hugely powerful and useful, stay on your toes; it can also get out of control :)



Brian Pang wrote:
> anyone know why my posts don't continue within the threads? Sorry, I
> don't mean for that to happen.

For whatever reason, your mail client isn't maintaining the MessageID, References and related email headers.

H





From csnyder at chxo.com  Mon Sep  8 15:30:01 2003
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:30:01 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Include File Access
In-Reply-To: <E19wRRl-00027F-G9@rslrs1-server.com>
References: <E19wRRl-00027F-G9@rslrs1-server.com>
Message-ID: <3F5CD8B9.90604@chxo.com>

That's a much more elegant solution, as long as all of your scripts are 
being called via the web.

I misread the line "As it turns out I need to access this file from the 
Root directory as well" as meaning that he had scripts that were being 
called from a cron job or other via CLI. Sorry!

Brian Pang wrote:

>This is what I used to do until I changed servers and then had to change
>all those paths...
>I see now that dckrook is on the $_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT'] bandwagon...
>
>  
>
>>    require_once('/path/to/config.php');
>>    
>>
>
><snipped>
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>  
>



From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Mon Sep  8 15:32:12 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:32:12 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Virtual Hosts
Message-ID: <006801c3763f$e8782130$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

I was looking at Dan Kushner's presentation on Setup/Dev under Win2000
at 
http://www.nyphp.org/content/presentations/ampintro3/ 

I found this on slide 19 of the presentation. 

      <VirtualHost *>
         DocumentRoot "c:\sites\foo.localhost"
         ServerName foo.localhost
         php_value auto_prepend_file
"c:\sites\foo.localhost\prepend.inc"
      </VirtualHost>

      <VirtualHost *>
         DocumentRoot "c:\sites\bar.localhost"
         ServerName bar.localhost
      </VirtualHost> 

The question is, how do I adapt this for the following scenario:

My development is done on a separate server (Linux box) and is accessed
solely with an IP address. Therefore, I'm not doing development on the
same box as PHP and, correct me if I'm wrong, I can't use "localhost" as
part of the address to get to the Linux box. How do I accomplish the
virtual hosting thing in this scenario? (At present I'm using port
numbers but that's kinda clumsy.)

Jeff



From csnyder at chxo.com  Mon Sep  8 15:44:38 2003
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:44:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Virtual Hosts
In-Reply-To: <006801c3763f$e8782130$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
References: <006801c3763f$e8782130$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <3F5CDC26.3070200@chxo.com>

You could add the remote machine to your local /etc/hosts (*nix) or 
c:/windows/hosts (win -- at least win98 and me) so that you could access 
it with a host name (or names) that weren't resolved via DNS.

 From my /etc/hosts file:

192.168.123.60  mothra
192.168.123.60  sub.mothra

192.168.123.60 is a box on my local network, no DNS records for it but I 
can still go to http://mothra/ or http://sub.mothra/ and end up where I 
want to be. The httpd.conf on mothra has name virtual hosts that 
correspond to those hostnames.

    csnyder

Jeff wrote:

>I was looking at Dan Kushner's presentation on Setup/Dev under Win2000
>at 
>http://www.nyphp.org/content/presentations/ampintro3/ 
>
>I found this on slide 19 of the presentation. 
>
>      <VirtualHost *>
>         DocumentRoot "c:\sites\foo.localhost"
>         ServerName foo.localhost
>         php_value auto_prepend_file
>"c:\sites\foo.localhost\prepend.inc"
>      </VirtualHost>
>
>      <VirtualHost *>
>         DocumentRoot "c:\sites\bar.localhost"
>         ServerName bar.localhost
>      </VirtualHost> 
>
>The question is, how do I adapt this for the following scenario:
>
>My development is done on a separate server (Linux box) and is accessed
>solely with an IP address. Therefore, I'm not doing development on the
>same box as PHP and, correct me if I'm wrong, I can't use "localhost" as
>part of the address to get to the Linux box. How do I accomplish the
>virtual hosting thing in this scenario? (At present I'm using port
>numbers but that's kinda clumsy.)
>
>Jeff
>
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>  
>



From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Mon Sep  8 03:09:59 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 03:09:59 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Virtual Hosts
References: <006801c3763f$e8782130$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <009001c375d8$379d7e80$6c00a8c0@thinkpad>

it works in conjunction with your host file

windows/system32/drivers/etc/hosts

in which case ur ip will be given a local name to use as part of the "host:"
header to allow for multiple setups.  you need to edit the file in order to
get a developmental virtual hosting setup running.

192.168.0.7    linuxbox

typing in "linuxbox" would resolve to 192.168.0.7 and

<VirtualHost *>
DocumentRoot "c:\somewhere"
ServerName linuxbox
</VirtualHost>

would let you map it back ... you can also use a mounted DocumentRoot (x:,
y:, z:, etc)

- jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:32 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Virtual Hosts


> I was looking at Dan Kushner's presentation on Setup/Dev under Win2000
> at
> http://www.nyphp.org/content/presentations/ampintro3/
>
> I found this on slide 19 of the presentation.
>
>       <VirtualHost *>
>          DocumentRoot "c:\sites\foo.localhost"
>          ServerName foo.localhost
>          php_value auto_prepend_file
> "c:\sites\foo.localhost\prepend.inc"
>       </VirtualHost>
>
>       <VirtualHost *>
>          DocumentRoot "c:\sites\bar.localhost"
>          ServerName bar.localhost
>       </VirtualHost>
>
> The question is, how do I adapt this for the following scenario:
>
> My development is done on a separate server (Linux box) and is accessed
> solely with an IP address. Therefore, I'm not doing development on the
> same box as PHP and, correct me if I'm wrong, I can't use "localhost" as
> part of the address to get to the Linux box. How do I accomplish the
> virtual hosting thing in this scenario? (At present I'm using port
> numbers but that's kinda clumsy.)
>
> Jeff
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>



From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Mon Sep  8 16:33:14 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 16:33:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Virtual Hosts
In-Reply-To: <009001c375d8$379d7e80$6c00a8c0@thinkpad>
Message-ID: <007a01c37648$71d89c90$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Thank you Chris and Jon. I think I'm almost there.

This is what I have in my "hosts" file on WinXP:

192.168.1.111   unap
192.168.1.111   myproj


When I run apachectl configtest it comes back with this message. 
[warn] NameVirtualHost 192.168.1.111:80 has no VirtualHosts

Obviously...I'm missing some setting. 

Jeff



-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of jon baer
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 2:10 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Virtual Hosts


it works in conjunction with your host file

windows/system32/drivers/etc/hosts

in which case ur ip will be given a local name to use as part of the
"host:"
header to allow for multiple setups.  you need to edit the file in order
to
get a developmental virtual hosting setup running.

192.168.0.7    linuxbox

typing in "linuxbox" would resolve to 192.168.0.7 and

<VirtualHost *>
DocumentRoot "c:\somewhere"
ServerName linuxbox
</VirtualHost>

would let you map it back ... you can also use a mounted DocumentRoot
(x:,
y:, z:, etc)

- jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:32 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Virtual Hosts


> I was looking at Dan Kushner's presentation on Setup/Dev under Win2000
> at
> http://www.nyphp.org/content/presentations/ampintro3/
>
> I found this on slide 19 of the presentation.
>
>       <VirtualHost *>
>          DocumentRoot "c:\sites\foo.localhost"
>          ServerName foo.localhost
>          php_value auto_prepend_file
> "c:\sites\foo.localhost\prepend.inc"
>       </VirtualHost>
>
>       <VirtualHost *>
>          DocumentRoot "c:\sites\bar.localhost"
>          ServerName bar.localhost
>       </VirtualHost>
>
> The question is, how do I adapt this for the following scenario:
>
> My development is done on a separate server (Linux box) and is
accessed
> solely with an IP address. Therefore, I'm not doing development on the
> same box as PHP and, correct me if I'm wrong, I can't use "localhost"
as
> part of the address to get to the Linux box. How do I accomplish the
> virtual hosting thing in this scenario? (At present I'm using port
> numbers but that's kinda clumsy.)
>
> Jeff
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>

_______________________________________________
talk mailing list
talk at lists.nyphp.org
http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From hans at nyphp.org  Mon Sep  8 16:51:03 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 16:51:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Virtual Hosts
In-Reply-To: <007a01c37648$71d89c90$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
References: <007a01c37648$71d89c90$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <3F5CEBB7.3060101@nyphp.org>



Jeff wrote:

> Thank you Chris and Jon. I think I'm almost there.
> 
> This is what I have in my "hosts" file on WinXP:
> 
> 192.168.1.111   unap
> 192.168.1.111   myproj
> 
> 
> When I run apachectl configtest it comes back with this message. 
> [warn] NameVirtualHost 192.168.1.111:80 has no VirtualHosts

I'm guessing you have something like:

<VirtualHost *>
   Blah blah blah
</VirtualHost>

Change it to:

<VirtualHost 192.168.1.111:80>
   Blah blah blah
</VirtualHost>

making sure that the:

NameVirtualHost 192.168.1.111:80


comes first.  And that "Blah blah blah" is critical  :)

H







From soazine at erols.com  Mon Sep  8 16:53:41 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 16:53:41 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP and IRC
Message-ID: <029e01c3764b$49363560$67a76244@philofsoa>

Does anyone have any recommendations on either using IRC as a real-time chat plug-in or would they recommend somethng else?  I built my own chat client in Java once but it only works if I install it on the machine I have direct access to, so I would have to do this remotely.

Suggestions?  Just wondering, no major rush on this one. For once. :)

Thanx
Phil
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From hans at nyphp.org  Mon Sep  8 16:56:41 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 16:56:41 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP and IRC
In-Reply-To: <029e01c3764b$49363560$67a76244@philofsoa>
References: <029e01c3764b$49363560$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <3F5CED09.2020101@nyphp.org>



Phil Powell wrote:

> Does anyone have any recommendations on either using IRC as a real-time 
> chat plug-in or would they recommend somethng else?  I built my own chat 
> client in Java once but it only works if I install it on the machine I 
> have direct access to, so I would have to do this remotely.

I've used mIRC on Windows and BitchX on Linux.

http://www.mirc.com/
http://www.bitchx.com/

IRC can be great, and a lot of fun; as long as you have nothing else to do :)

> Suggestions?  Just wondering, no major rush on this one. For once. :)

For PHP specifically, there's:

http://us2.php.net/ircg

HTH,

H



From xml at aumcomputers.com  Tue Sep  9 08:15:30 2003
From: xml at aumcomputers.com (Anirudh Zala)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 17:45:30 +0530
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Script terminates after certain amount of time period
References: <20030908130816.53546.qmail@web14306.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <02ce01c376cc$2786d6a0$0164a8c0@com1>

Chris, As i have mentioned, it is also not working at all, just "Page can
not be displayed" after few mins. Looks like browser loose connection with
server.

Any other ideas...?

Zala

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Shiflett" <shiflett at php.net>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Monday, 08 September, 2003 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Script terminates after certain amount of time
period


> --- Anirudh Zala <xml at aumcomputers.com> wrote:
> > My php script generates PDF document that takes approx 2 mins to
> > generate 1.5 MB PFD depending upon criteria, But if i choose more
> > data and when PDF size is to be needed more than 2 MB and higher,
> > browser says "The page cannot be displayed" after few mins, ie php
> > scripts is terminated.
>
> There are two problems, I think:
>
> 1. Set your time limit to something big for this script.
> <http://www.php.net/set_time_limit>
> 2. Are you using IE? Don't.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Chris
>
> =====
> Become a better Web developer with the HTTP Developer's Handbook
> http://httphandbook.org/
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>



From anthony at tanzola.com  Tue Sep  9 09:12:00 2003
From: anthony at tanzola.com (Anthony Tanzola)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 06:12:00 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] ASP resources?
In-Reply-To: <25ED70AC-DD63-11D7-BD59-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>
Message-ID: <FOEEICMBOEKAAJBJHNMIOEGDEJAA.anthony@tanzola.com>

Hey Aaron!

I have a solution, switch ISP's.  I work for an ISP, we support all ASP, are
running IIS 5.0 and 6.0 on Advanced Server 2000 and Server 2003 respectively
and CDONTS are enabled!  Plus we also support PHP and Perl on both servers
as well as on Apache/Linux.  And PostgreSql/MySQL/MS SQLServer.  And I admin
the servers so I would be happy to troubleshoot any problems you are having.

If your interested, contact me either here of off the list.

Also, here is a good resource for ASP:

http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
>[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Aaron Fischer
>Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 9:33 AM
>To: NYPHP Talk
>Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] ASP resources?
>
>
>Thanks all, those are great leads.  Unfortunately the ISP is pretty
>dated with Win NT and IIS 4.0.  I tried one solution using CDONTS and
>came up with errors that I believe are indicating that it is not
>enabled.  Ugh, I will never take a project like this again.
>
>-Aaron
>
>
>On Tuesday, Sep 2, 2003, at 12:23 US/Eastern, D C Krook wrote:
>
>> Aaron,
>>
>> I've got some simple scripts for this sort of thing online:
>>
>> http://dev.krook.org/src.php?i=7&t=asp
>>
>> Make sure that you have CDONTS enabled on the server to send mail.  If
>> you want to do redirects, VBScript provides this functionality in
>> Response.Redirect("http://example.com/")
>
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>



From nyphp at websapp.com  Tue Sep  9 09:34:33 2003
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 09:34:33 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP in Corporate US
Message-ID: <OKEHLLMAFAOHECBMOGEPIENMFAAA.nyphp@websapp.com>

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030908/sfm088_1.html

RAMAT GAN, Israel, Sept. 8 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Growing adoption and
legitimacy of Linux and Apache within enterprise organizations is driving
the proliferation of mission critical applications written in PHP. Apache,
now with over 63% server market share across all domains and PHP, which
accounts for roughly 26% of all domains on the Internet, are now a genuine
option for enterprises deploying mission critical Web applications.





From bpang at bpang.com  Tue Sep  9 10:11:47 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 10:11:47 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Script terminates after certain amount of time period
Message-ID: <E19wjDf-00029U-V7@rslrs1-server.com>

maybe use this instead?
ini_set('max_execution_time', '600');

however, if you are running in safe mode, you can only change this via
php.ini

phpinfo() will tell you if you have safe mode on or off



> Chris, As i have mentioned, it is also not working at all, just "Page can
> not be displayed" after few mins. Looks like browser loose connection with
> server.
> 
> Any other ideas...?
> 
> Zala
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Shiflett" <shiflett at php.net>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Sent: Monday, 08 September, 2003 6:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Script terminates after certain amount of time
> period
> 
> 
> > --- Anirudh Zala <xml at aumcomputers.com> wrote:
> > > My php script generates PDF document that takes approx 2 mins to
> > > generate 1.5 MB PFD depending upon criteria, But if i choose more
> > > data and when PDF size is to be needed more than 2 MB and higher,
> > > browser says "The page cannot be displayed" after few mins, ie php
> > > scripts is terminated.
> >
> > There are two problems, I think:
> >
> > 1. Set your time limit to something big for this script.
> > <http://www.php.net/set_time_limit>
> > 2. Are you using IE? Don't.
> >
> > Hope that helps.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > =====
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> > http://httphandbook.org/
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From shiflett at php.net  Tue Sep  9 11:19:08 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 08:19:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Script terminates after certain amount of time period
In-Reply-To: <02ce01c376cc$2786d6a0$0164a8c0@com1>
Message-ID: <20030909151908.63404.qmail@web14311.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Anirudh Zala <xml at aumcomputers.com> wrote:
> Chris, As i have mentioned, it is also not working at all, just "Page
> can not be displayed" after few mins. Looks like browser loose
> connection with server.

Read my response again. Specifically:

> > 2. Are you using IE? Don't.

What I meant by this is that IE is likely giving you the BS error message, and
it isn't the least bit helpful. In fact, it is usually very misleading.

Chris

=====
Become a better Web developer with the HTTP Developer's Handbook
http://httphandbook.org/


From tom at supertom.com  Tue Sep  9 11:32:55 2003
From: tom at supertom.com (tom at supertom.com)
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 11:32:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Script terminates after certain amount of time period
In-Reply-To: <20030909151908.63404.qmail@web14311.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <LBEDJMJGLEPEKJAJMHBDIEGJFNAA.tom@supertom.com>

Chris is right, I would pull it up in another browser, just to make sure
that you are actually getting the real error message.

Also, depending on how big the PDF files are that are being created, you may
want to look into the memory limit entry in php.ini, to make sure that you
have enough to allow the PDF to be created.

memory_limit = 8M      ; Maximum amount of memory a script may consume (8MB)

Sorry, I came into this post late, please excuse me if this has already been
suggested.

Good Luck!

Tom





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-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Chris Shiflett
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 11:19 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Script terminates after certain amount of time
period


--- Anirudh Zala <xml at aumcomputers.com> wrote:
> Chris, As i have mentioned, it is also not working at all, just "Page
> can not be displayed" after few mins. Looks like browser loose
> connection with server.

Read my response again. Specifically:

> > 2. Are you using IE? Don't.

What I meant by this is that IE is likely giving you the BS error message,
and
it isn't the least bit helpful. In fact, it is usually very misleading.

Chris

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From hans at nyphp.org  Tue Sep  9 12:39:57 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 12:39:57 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP growth
In-Reply-To: <000001c37627$728b9be0$bf8d3818@OBERON1>
References: <000001c37627$728b9be0$bf8d3818@OBERON1>
Message-ID: <3F5E025D.2070807@nyphp.org>



Tim Gales wrote:

>   Thought this might be of interest:
> 
> Posted August 30, 2003 01:42 PM @ news.netcraft.com
> 
> Although PHP is universally thought of as implying Linux, Apache and 
> MySQL, nearly 7% of PHP sites [when counting by ip address] run on 
> Windows. This has doubled over the last year, and on its current growth 
> trajectory PHP will *overtake* (my emphasis) Cold Fusion as the most 
> popular non-Microsoft scripting language used on Windows during the next 
> year.

Wow, I would have said a Java variant was number two.

> Web site developers are less dogmatic than many analysts like to 
> portray, and are prepared to mix development paradigms when it suits 
> their purpose. ?. Scripting languages are seeing the best growth of any 
> class of web technologies presently as site owners seek to make their 
> sites more sophisticated and see a good return on the development time 
> invested.
> 
> Excerpted from: 
> http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2003/08/30/php_growing_surprisingly_strongly_on_windows.html

It's where it's at:  AMP Technology





From patrick.fee at baesystems.com  Tue Sep  9 12:39:59 2003
From: patrick.fee at baesystems.com (Fee, Patrick J)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:39:59 -0400 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Need to house a MySQL site for Post Nuke IMEDIATELY....
Message-ID: <E7F20B466062D511973800508B6DBC6C0586C037@mdrci-c02-exch.tst.tracor.com>

Guys,

I need some web space and a MySQL access to set up a post nuke site within
the next 8 hours.  Anybody got any suggestions?

To start with I'll simply link to the needed dynamic pages for the next
month or so.....  But it needs to be up by tonight.

Patrick J. Fee
Web & Database Group Manager
BAE SYSTEMS
600 Maryland Ave. SW  Suite 700
Washington D.C. 20024
Patrick.Fee at BAESYSTEMS.com
Tel: (202) 548-3759
Fax: (202) 608-5970



From nyphp at websapp.com  Tue Sep  9 12:46:21 2003
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:46:21 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Need to house a MySQL site for Post Nuke
	IMEDIATELY....
In-Reply-To: <E7F20B466062D511973800508B6DBC6C0586C037@mdrci-c02-exch.tst.tracor.com>
Message-ID: <OKEHLLMAFAOHECBMOGEPAEOLFAAA.nyphp@websapp.com>

Hi Patrick,

I can warmly recommend TheHostingCompany (http://thehostingcomany.us). Ran
by a few members of the NYPHP team :)

Best,
Daniel Kushner

> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Fee, Patrick J
> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 12:40 PM
> To: 'NYPHP Talk'
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Need to house a MySQL site for Post Nuke
> IMEDIATELY....
>
>
> Guys,
>
> I need some web space and a MySQL access to set up a post nuke site within
> the next 8 hours.  Anybody got any suggestions?
>
> To start with I'll simply link to the needed dynamic pages for the next
> month or so.....  But it needs to be up by tonight.
>
> Patrick J. Fee
> Web & Database Group Manager
> BAE SYSTEMS
> 600 Maryland Ave. SW  Suite 700
> Washington D.C. 20024
> Patrick.Fee at BAESYSTEMS.com
> Tel: (202) 548-3759
> Fax: (202) 608-5970
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk




From dorgan at optonline.net  Tue Sep  9 12:53:45 2003
From: dorgan at optonline.net (Donald J. Organ IV)
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 12:53:45 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Need to house a MySQL site for Post
	NukeIMEDIATELY....
References: <OKEHLLMAFAOHECBMOGEPAEOLFAAA.nyphp@websapp.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c376f2$f02a8ef0$c801a8c0@dj>

Does anyone know if they offer discounts to NYPHP members if so what is the
promotional code?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel Kushner" <nyphp at websapp.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 12:46 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Need to house a MySQL site for Post
NukeIMEDIATELY....


> Hi Patrick,
>
> I can warmly recommend TheHostingCompany (http://thehostingcomany.us). Ran
> by a few members of the NYPHP team :)
>
> Best,
> Daniel Kushner
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
> > [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Fee, Patrick J
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 12:40 PM
> > To: 'NYPHP Talk'
> > Subject: [nycphp-talk] Need to house a MySQL site for Post Nuke
> > IMEDIATELY....
> >
> >
> > Guys,
> >
> > I need some web space and a MySQL access to set up a post nuke site
within
> > the next 8 hours.  Anybody got any suggestions?
> >
> > To start with I'll simply link to the needed dynamic pages for the next
> > month or so.....  But it needs to be up by tonight.
> >
> > Patrick J. Fee
> > Web & Database Group Manager
> > BAE SYSTEMS
> > 600 Maryland Ave. SW  Suite 700
> > Washington D.C. 20024
> > Patrick.Fee at BAESYSTEMS.com
> > Tel: (202) 548-3759
> > Fax: (202) 608-5970
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Mon Sep  8 11:11:24 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 11:11:24 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP growth
References: <000001c37627$728b9be0$bf8d3818@OBERON1>
	<3F5E025D.2070807@nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <006401c3761b$78221540$6c00a8c0@thinkpad>

i have always thought that companies would move away from the licensing
towards free components + put more money back into programmers pockets but
then the fear over shipping development overseas gets to me ...

do most of you here work in a case related to where there is transitions
taking place?  (ie Java, CFM, ASP-> PHP)?

id be interested in hearing stories ...

- jon

> > sites more sophisticated and see a good return on the development time
> > invested.
> >
> > Excerpted from:
> >
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2003/08/30/php_growing_surprisingly_strong
ly_on_windows.html
>
> It's where it's at:  AMP Technology




From nyphp at websapp.com  Tue Sep  9 13:03:38 2003
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:03:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Need to house a MySQL site for PostNukeIMEDIATELY....
In-Reply-To: <001b01c376f2$f02a8ef0$c801a8c0@dj>
Message-ID: <OKEHLLMAFAOHECBMOGEPOEOMFAAA.nyphp@websapp.com>

Using the promo code NYPLAT will get you a free month on the Platinum
Package.

--Daniel

> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Donald J. Organ IV
> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 12:54 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Need to house a MySQL site for
> PostNukeIMEDIATELY....
>
>
> Does anyone know if they offer discounts to NYPHP members if so
> what is the
> promotional code?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Kushner" <nyphp at websapp.com>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 12:46 PM
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Need to house a MySQL site for Post
> NukeIMEDIATELY....
>
>
> > Hi Patrick,
> >
> > I can warmly recommend TheHostingCompany
(http://thehostingcomany.us). Ran
> by a few members of the NYPHP team :)
>
> Best,
> Daniel Kushner
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
> > [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Fee, Patrick J
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 12:40 PM
> > To: 'NYPHP Talk'
> > Subject: [nycphp-talk] Need to house a MySQL site for Post Nuke
> > IMEDIATELY....
> >
> >
> > Guys,
> >
> > I need some web space and a MySQL access to set up a post nuke site
within
> > the next 8 hours.  Anybody got any suggestions?
> >
> > To start with I'll simply link to the needed dynamic pages for the next
> > month or so.....  But it needs to be up by tonight.
> >
> > Patrick J. Fee
> > Web & Database Group Manager
> > BAE SYSTEMS
> > 600 Maryland Ave. SW  Suite 700
> > Washington D.C. 20024
> > Patrick.Fee at BAESYSTEMS.com
> > Tel: (202) 548-3759
> > Fax: (202) 608-5970
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk

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From dmintz at panix.com  Tue Sep  9 13:11:27 2003
From: dmintz at panix.com (David Mintz)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:11:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Travelocity sucks (semi-OT)
In-Reply-To: <3F5CED09.2020101@nyphp.org>
References: <029e01c3764b$49363560$67a76244@philofsoa>
	<3F5CED09.2020101@nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.56.0309091248460.29171@panix5.panix.com>


OK, this may be a little OT, but OTOH it's about web/database programming
(and the Customer Experience).

I have been back and forth with Travelocity's customer service because I
complained about the following phenomenon. You search for flights; you
select an outboound flight priced at $405/round trip; you select a return
flight priced at $405/round trip; then you come to a screen that says
oh, sorry, make that $652 for this itinerary. Fine, you say; prices are
volatile so let's try again. You repeat the procedure, with the
reasonable, almost unconscious expectation that their data will have been
updated, and guess what, you get the exact same behavior. Not amusing!

Now, their customer service folks have given me a series of ever more
muddled and inconsistent explanations. First they said,

> Our system pulls the information from the Sabre network onto the site
> based on the data you enter in your search parameters. The airlines, car
> rental agencies, and hotels publish their information in Sabre and are
> responsible for updating it at least 5 times a day at times of their own
> choosing. Because the availability is sold in real time, the information
> can become past-dated between updates. Depending on your search method,
> you may see rates/fares offered that have no availability left, or
> itineraries that show valid prices based on our most current
> information, but are actually no longer available at that price when
> checked against actual availability in the system.

But when I insisted that I was the customer and I said it sucked that they
were displaying stale data regardless of the excuse, they said (and I wish
I were making this up):

<<The information we receive from Airlines is current at the point in
which is it is supplied.  We do not have have a direct connect to
availability, once a request is made, the new request is sent to the the
airlines to check against availability.>>

<<At this point the airlines will notify us if the availability is still
there.  As the availability is constantly changing, so is the
availability. [sic] >>

What is it with the airline/travel website industry? If they have the
wherewithal to connect with wherever and fetch current data at the moment
you are about to go for your plastic, then they can do it before they
display the prices, can't they?

Perhaps switch-and-bat is their true intention. But if they want to get it
right, they should hire some NYPHPers to rebuild the whole deal from the
ground up (-:


---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/
Email: See http://dmintzweb.com/whitelist.php first!

"Y d?le p'abajo"

	Tito Rojas


From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Mon Sep  8 11:30:26 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 11:30:26 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Travelocity sucks (semi-OT)
References: <029e01c3764b$49363560$67a76244@philofsoa><3F5CED09.2020101@nyphp.org>
	<Pine.NEB.4.56.0309091248460.29171@panix5.panix.com>
Message-ID: <009e01c3761e$211cae10$6c00a8c0@thinkpad>

What's even worse is when you are going to be color coded before your flight
:-)

http://money.cnn.com/2003/09/09/pf/saving/travel/passenger_screening/index.h
tm

Quite interesting how *that* would work online ...

- Jon

>>> What is it with the airline/travel website industry? If they have the
wherewithal to connect with wherever and fetch current data at the moment
you are about to go for your plastic, then they can do it before they
display the prices, can't they? <<<




From chendry at nyc.rr.com  Tue Sep  9 13:31:57 2003
From: chendry at nyc.rr.com (Christopher Hendry)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:31:57 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Travelocity sucks (semi-OT)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.56.0309091248460.29171@panix5.panix.com>
Message-ID: <JMEHLOIOFHBEJDCDJNLOIEKCEAAA.chendry@nyc.rr.com>

unfortunately, the problem comes in with the cost of the searches.  There
are multiple levels of searches available to the Travelocities of the
world - the most expensive being the up-to-the-minute fares.  If they
provided each person casually browsing for flights the up-to-the-minute
prices, they'd go out of business.  These sites only see about a 1%
conversion.

What you're seeing when you first search is not avialable fares, but cached
fares (a much cheaper search .00066 compared with .05 - or something like
that) - the travel sites will not show you the available fares until you say
you'd like to book.

That said, not all engines use the Sabre GDS (though most do) - which is the
one that charges the most for look-for-book fares - so try other sites and
you should get better results.  Though Sabre is the only GDS that offers
webfares (ie, better rates on the web than available through travel agents).

ps - one of the sites (to remain unnamed) has hired some of us NYPHPers and
once the backend is complete, I'll be sure to release the site (and
hopefully friends & family rates) to NYPHPers, so keep your chin up, help is
on the way...

-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
-> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of David Mintz
-> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:11 PM
-> To: NYPHP Talk
-> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Travelocity sucks (semi-OT)
->
->
->
-> OK, this may be a little OT, but OTOH it's about web/database programming
-> (and the Customer Experience).
->
-> I have been back and forth with Travelocity's customer service because I
-> complained about the following phenomenon. You search for flights; you
-> select an outboound flight priced at $405/round trip; you select a return
-> flight priced at $405/round trip; then you come to a screen that says
-> oh, sorry, make that $652 for this itinerary. Fine, you say; prices are
-> volatile so let's try again. You repeat the procedure, with the
-> reasonable, almost unconscious expectation that their data will have been
-> updated, and guess what, you get the exact same behavior. Not amusing!
->
-> Now, their customer service folks have given me a series of ever more
-> muddled and inconsistent explanations. First they said,
->
-> > Our system pulls the information from the Sabre network onto the site
-> > based on the data you enter in your search parameters. The
-> airlines, car
-> > rental agencies, and hotels publish their information in Sabre and are
-> > responsible for updating it at least 5 times a day at times of
-> their own
-> > choosing. Because the availability is sold in real time, the
-> information
-> > can become past-dated between updates. Depending on your search method,
-> > you may see rates/fares offered that have no availability left, or
-> > itineraries that show valid prices based on our most current
-> > information, but are actually no longer available at that price when
-> > checked against actual availability in the system.
->
-> But when I insisted that I was the customer and I said it sucked
-> that they
-> were displaying stale data regardless of the excuse, they said
-> (and I wish
-> I were making this up):
->
-> <<The information we receive from Airlines is current at the point in
-> which is it is supplied.  We do not have have a direct connect to
-> availability, once a request is made, the new request is sent to the the
-> airlines to check against availability.>>
->
-> <<At this point the airlines will notify us if the availability is still
-> there.  As the availability is constantly changing, so is the
-> availability. [sic] >>
->
-> What is it with the airline/travel website industry? If they have the
-> wherewithal to connect with wherever and fetch current data at the moment
-> you are about to go for your plastic, then they can do it before they
-> display the prices, can't they?
->
-> Perhaps switch-and-bat is their true intention. But if they want
-> to get it
-> right, they should hire some NYPHPers to rebuild the whole deal from the
-> ground up (-:
->
->
-> ---
-> David Mintz
-> http://davidmintz.org/
-> Email: See http://dmintzweb.com/whitelist.php first!
->
-> "Y d?le p'abajo"
->
-> 	Tito Rojas
-> _______________________________________________
-> talk mailing list
-> talk at lists.nyphp.org
-> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
->




From crisscott at netzero.com  Tue Sep  9 14:20:09 2003
From: crisscott at netzero.com (crisscott at netzero.com)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 18:20:09 GMT
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP growth (getting OT)
Message-ID: <20030909.112050.16221.266709@webmail11.lax.untd.com>


All of this growth in PHP use is great but what I want to know is where is all of the growth in the PHP jobs?  Especially in NY.  In Delaware I had no trouble getting interviews or even job offers but since I moved up here, I have trouble just trying to find places accepting resumes.  This wouldn't be such a problem if it weren't for that three hour commute to Wilmington.  Does anyone have any good resources or pointers for a guy new to the big city looking for a job?
Thanks
Scott Mattocks


From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Mon Sep  8 12:46:57 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 12:46:57 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] phpbb issues (XSS) ...
Message-ID: <003401c37628$d13c5f70$6700a8c0@thinkpad>

maybe someone else on the list can try this out on their version but i just
noticed all of mine are acceptable to this nasty bit of code using bbcode
for forums:

[url=http://www.test.com"
onmouseover="document.location='http://www.playboy.com'"]this is the
link[/url]

- jon

pgp key: http://www.jonbaer.net/jonbaer.asc
fingerprint: F438 A47E C45E 8B27 F68C 1F9B 41DB DB8B 9A0C AF47



From bpang at bpang.com  Tue Sep  9 14:49:00 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 14:49:00 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP growth
Message-ID: <E19wnXw-0000Lg-KU@rslrs1-server.com>

> do most of you here work in a case related to where there is transitions
> taking place?  (ie Java, CFM, ASP-> PHP)?

most of what I do is (thankfully) fresh development rather than porting
someone else's crappy code. This way, if the code is crappy, it's at
least crappy in my own style.

To answer the other post about where to find PHP jobs in NY(C)... I have
seen scant few actual FT positions available. I do all my work on a
freelance/consulting basis.

I might suspect that the best way to do PHP FT would be to get a job
doing ASP or PERL and then work on getting PHP to replace those
languages where you can.




From brent at landover.com  Tue Sep  9 14:51:01 2003
From: brent at landover.com (Brent Baisley)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:51:01 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP growth (getting OT)
In-Reply-To: <20030909.112050.16221.266709@webmail11.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <8EC577D6-E2F6-11D7-8706-0050E4C5CF70@landover.com>

I work for a technical recruiting company in NYC and I can tell you 
that most of the jobs we have are for C++, Java or .NET. That's not to 
say these companies don't use open source tools, they just don't 
actively recruit for those skills. Linux being an exception to that. 
Most of your larger companies are more interested in scalability and 
support rather than time to development. They can always hire more 
people to speed up a project.
The midsize companies who are outgrowing Access and/or FileMaker are 
ideal candidates for PHP and MySQL, but they don't know enough about 
them to go that direction. I've done some consulting on the side and 
I've had clients who wanted a completely web based system with 
Filemaker as the backend (egads!). They have Filemaker (or Access) and 
are comfortable with them.
I've actually gotten my foot in the door many times because I knew 
Filemaker, not because I knew PHP and MySQL. Although I've ended up 
doing the project in PHP/MySQL.

I believe there still needs to be more growth in the PHP market share 
before you'll start seeing a big demand for it. Cold Fusion has a 
larger market share, but there aren't many jobs on the job boards for 
it in the NYC area.

What job boards have you looked on? You may have more success looking 
at one of the non-commercial job boards like Craigs List.


On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, at 02:20 PM, crisscott at netzero.com wrote:

> All of this growth in PHP use is great but what I want to know is 
> where is all of the growth in the PHP jobs?  Especially in NY.  In 
> Delaware I had no trouble getting interviews or even job offers but 
> since I moved up here, I have trouble just trying to find places 
> accepting resumes.  This wouldn't be such a problem if it weren't for 
> that three hour commute to Wilmington.  Does anyone have any good 
> resources or pointers for a guy new to the big city looking for a job?
> Thanks
> Scott Mattocks
>
-- 
Brent Baisley
Systems Architect
Landover Associates, Inc.
Search & Advisory Services for Advanced Technology Environments
p: 212.759.6400/800.759.0577



From bpang at bpang.com  Tue Sep  9 14:57:34 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 14:57:34 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP growth
Message-ID: <E19wngE-00016j-B6@rslrs1-server.com>

True, but it still perplexes me why anyone, who has opted to and
received the a-ok to implement an AMP solution, would still elect to
have the end product be WAMP instead of LAMP

I guess it's some irrational fear of the command-line.

>
>http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2003/08/30/php_growing_surprisingly_strongly_on_windows.html
> 
> It's where it's at:  AMP Technology



From jlacey at ix.netcom.com  Tue Sep  9 15:03:57 2003
From: jlacey at ix.netcom.com (John Lacey)
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 13:03:57 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP growth (getting OT)
In-Reply-To: <8EC577D6-E2F6-11D7-8706-0050E4C5CF70@landover.com>
References: <8EC577D6-E2F6-11D7-8706-0050E4C5CF70@landover.com>
Message-ID: <3F5E241D.8090100@ix.netcom.com>


your comments are right on... one major piece that the OSS/FS community 
needs to develop is marketing savvy and practices... now THAT ('scuse 
the caps) would be a great meeting subject

John

Brent Baisley wrote:

> I work for a technical recruiting company in NYC and I can tell you 
> that most of the jobs we have are for C++, Java or .NET. That's not to 
> say these companies don't use open source tools, they just don't 
> actively recruit for those skills. Linux being an exception to that. 
> Most of your larger companies are more interested in scalability and 
> support rather than time to development. They can always hire more 
> people to speed up a project.
> The midsize companies who are outgrowing Access and/or FileMaker are 
> ideal candidates for PHP and MySQL, but they don't know enough about 
> them to go that direction. I've done some consulting on the side and 
> I've had clients who wanted a completely web based system with 
> Filemaker as the backend (egads!). They have Filemaker (or Access) and 
> are comfortable with them.
> I've actually gotten my foot in the door many times because I knew 
> Filemaker, not because I knew PHP and MySQL. Although I've ended up 
> doing the project in PHP/MySQL.
>
> I believe there still needs to be more growth in the PHP market share 
> before you'll start seeing a big demand for it. Cold Fusion has a 
> larger market share, but there aren't many jobs on the job boards for 
> it in the NYC area.
>
> What job boards have you looked on? You may have more success looking 
> at one of the non-commercial job boards like Craigs List.
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, at 02:20 PM, crisscott at netzero.com wrote:
>
>> All of this growth in PHP use is great but what I want to know is 
>> where is all of the growth in the PHP jobs?  Especially in NY.  In 
>> Delaware I had no trouble getting interviews or even job offers but 
>> since I moved up here, I have trouble just trying to find places 
>> accepting resumes.  This wouldn't be such a problem if it weren't for 
>> that three hour commute to Wilmington.  Does anyone have any good 
>> resources or pointers for a guy new to the big city looking for a job?
>> Thanks
>> Scott Mattocks
>>




From kenrbnsn at rbnsn.com  Tue Sep  9 15:08:53 2003
From: kenrbnsn at rbnsn.com (Ken Robinson)
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 15:08:53 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP growth (getting OT)
In-Reply-To: <8EC577D6-E2F6-11D7-8706-0050E4C5CF70@landover.com>
References: <20030909.112050.16221.266709@webmail11.lax.untd.com>
	<8EC577D6-E2F6-11D7-8706-0050E4C5CF70@landover.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20030909150649.078e4c98@mail.rbnsn.com>

At 02:51 PM 9/9/2003, Brent Baisley wrote (in part):
>What job boards have you looked on? You may have more success looking at 
>one of the non-commercial job boards like Craigs List.

This was just posted on Craigs List...

>Subject: (internet engineering jobs) php programmer with oracle 
>experience  (NYC)
>Date: 9 Sep 2003 19:03:07 -0000
>From: job-16021377 at craigslist.org
>X-cl-list: nyc-internet-engineering-jobs-i
>X-cl-postingID: 16021377
>
>Poster used an @earthlink.net address We are looking for a php programmer 
>with at least 5 years experience writing and supporting php applications. 
>The candidate we are looking for must have at least 3 years experience 
>working with Oracle 8i.
>
>Please do not apply if you do not have solid oracle experience.
>
>Please send your resume, contact info for last 3 employers, list of php 
>applications you have developed, as well as salary history.

Ken  Robinson
kenrbnsn at rbnsn.com
(also looking for PHP work in NYC/NJ area)
(my expertise is in OpenVMS, but can't find work doing that either. :-( )




From jeffknight at mac.com  Tue Sep  9 15:25:53 2003
From: jeffknight at mac.com (Jeff Knight)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 15:25:53 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP growth (getting OT)
In-Reply-To: <3F5E241D.8090100@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <6D8C4BA9-E2FB-11D7-A33F-000393B9FB36@mac.com>

Marco Tabini of php|architect
http://www.phparch.com/editorial.php
gave a good talk about this at PHPCon, but I can't find the session 
materials online
http://php-con.com/2003/east/materials.php

On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, at 03:03  PM, John Lacey wrote:

> your comments are right on... one major piece that the OSS/FS 
> community needs to develop is marketing savvy and practices... now 
> THAT ('scuse the caps) would be a great meeting subject
>
> John
>
Jeff Knight
jeff at lushmedia.com
212/213-6558 x 203
LUSH media
110 W 40th St #1502
New York, NY 10018



From crisscott at netzero.com  Tue Sep  9 15:41:13 2003
From: crisscott at netzero.com (crisscott at netzero.com)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 19:41:13 GMT
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP growth (getting OT)
Message-ID: <20030909.124146.16221.268397@webmail11.lax.untd.com>


Thanks.  That's what I love about this list.  You guys posted a half dozen responses in less than 45 minutes and I have seen more relevant material on Craigslist (which I didn't know existed) in the last 5 minutes than I have seen on multiple job boards in the last 5 months. You guys are the best!  Thanks again
Scott Mattocks


From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Mon Sep  8 13:52:25 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 13:52:25 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP growth (getting OT)
References: <20030909.124146.16221.268397@webmail11.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <006901c37631$f691ef20$6700a8c0@thinkpad>

Hey try to save some of those jobs for us too u know! :-)

- Jon

----- Original Message -----
From: <crisscott at netzero.com>
To: <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP growth (getting OT)


>
> Thanks.  That's what I love about this list.  You guys posted a half dozen
responses in less than 45 minutes and I have seen more relevant material on
Craigslist (which I didn't know existed) in the last 5 minutes than I have
seen on multiple job boards in the last 5 months. You guys are the best!
Thanks again
> Scott Mattocks




From chendry at nyc.rr.com  Tue Sep  9 15:50:00 2003
From: chendry at nyc.rr.com (Christopher Hendry)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 15:50:00 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FW: XML SIG 16 Sept -- Sam Hunting on new developments
	in Topic Maps
Message-ID: <JMEHLOIOFHBEJDCDJNLOKEKKEAAA.chendry@nyc.rr.com>

Thought some might be interested in this - I've been to a number of their
meetings, with mixed results - depending on the topic:

-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Perry [mailto:wperry at xml-sig.org]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 12:31 PM
Subject: XML SIG 16 Sept -- Sam Hunting on new developments in Topic
Maps


Greetings XML Special Interest Group. We begin our sixth (!) year of
meetings this month. Goldman Sachs will continue to provide the
facilities without which our meetings would not be feasible. I am most
grateful for that, and to all of the Goldman people who have worked with
us to make these SIG meetings possible. Our 'home' in the training
center at 125 Broad Street has now been closed, however, and the regular
venue for our meetings will be the Goldman Sachs Training Center on the
31st Floor at 180 Maiden Lane. Please note this change. I'll look
forward to seeing many of you at meetings this year.

The next meeting of the XML Special Interest Group will be Tuesday, 16
September, 7-9 p.m., hosted by Goldman Sachs at 180 Maiden Lane, 31st
Floor.

Our speaker will be Sam Hunting, presenting his perspective on the
latest developments in Topic Maps. One point which Sam emphasizes is the
formal rigor that compliance with ISO 13250 introduces to topic map
implementations. Questions of such formally demonstrable capability seem
to be recently more numerous and insistent, as, e. g. the XML-DEV thread
late last month on whether XML vocabularies are at an advantage or
disadvantage versus the apparent formal rigor of the relational model.
Sam writes:

The latest on Topic Maps: Hard thinking, actual clients, new and better
tools

The talk is a tour d'horizon of current topic map technologies:

    * Theory as mathematical model
    * Practice at the USGS
    * New free tools

Theory of topic maps will present--for the first time--a set-theoretic
mathematical formalism for topic maps, developed by Neill Kipp with
Steve Newcomb and Sam Hunting. This work is important from a technical
perspective, since such a formalism can ensure that developers of topic
map standards and implementations are "all on the same page" with
respect the meaning of the text of ISO 13250. From a marketing
perspective, the work means that, for the first time, topic mappers can
claim formal rigor with the same force that proponents of the relational
model can.

Practice of topic maps will present--again, for the first time--the
prototype of the topic map system developed for the United States
Geological Survey by eTopicality, Inc. The USGS has requirements that
can be met only by an implementation of the topic map paradigm: A
federated system that permits free navigation between multiple,
overlapping taxonomies. The implementation to be presented is the first
step toward this goal: It is a topic map that implements a "subject
catalog" for USGS holdings on coastal and marine geology data that
allows entries into the catalog to be edited, all using open source
software and an ordinary browser.

New tools for topic maps will showcase--again, for the first time--the
newest release from the GooseWorks project, tmtk-0.8. This open source
toolkit permits people to create Topic Map Applications (TMAs) using a
simple XML DTD. The Standard Application Model developed by
TopicMaps.Org ("XTM") is one such application, but others may be
necessary to serve client needs. XTM, for example, permits addressing
only by URI, but other forms of addressing may be required: Library of
Congress subject headings, astronomical coordinates, latitude and
longitude, etc.

Sam Hunting is the president of eTopicality, Inc., a consultancy whose
service offerings include topic maps, content analysis, and taxonomy and
DTD development. He was a founding member of TopicMaps.Org, which
developed the XML Topic Maps (XTM) specification. He is a co-author of
the XTM 1.0 DTD. He is the technical editor of _XML Topic Maps: Creating
and Maintaining Topic Maps for the Web_, from Addison-Wesley. He is a
co-founder of the GooseWorks project for creating open source topic map
tools (http:/www.gooseworks.org). He has been working with markup
technology for over 10 years. (http://www.etopicality.com)

To reserve a place at this meeting, or to subscribe to our email list
for announcement of future meetings, please send a request by email
direct to me mailto:wperry at xml-sig.org. You will receive a confirmation
by return email. Security requires that those attending this meeting be
registered at least a day in advance so that their names are available
to check against attendance at the door. Please register before Monday,
15 September, to insure that you will be admitted.


Walter Perry
XML SIG Leader






From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Tue Sep  9 15:50:02 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 15:50:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] phpbb issues (XSS) ...
In-Reply-To: <003401c37628$d13c5f70$6700a8c0@thinkpad>
Message-ID: <008601c3770b$965081f0$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Is that exactly what was entered? I can't reproduce it on ver. 2.0.4.

Jeff Siegel

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of jon baer
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 11:47 AM
To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
Subject: [nycphp-talk] phpbb issues (XSS) ...


maybe someone else on the list can try this out on their version but i
just
noticed all of mine are acceptable to this nasty bit of code using
bbcode
for forums:

[url=http://www.test.com"
onmouseover="document.location='http://www.playboy.com'"]this is the
link[/url]

- jon

pgp key: http://www.jonbaer.net/jonbaer.asc
fingerprint: F438 A47E C45E 8B27 F68C 1F9B 41DB DB8B 9A0C AF47

_______________________________________________
talk mailing list
talk at lists.nyphp.org
http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From bpang at bpang.com  Tue Sep  9 15:59:18 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 15:59:18 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] First Big Client
Message-ID: <E19wody-00074Z-VN@rslrs1-server.com>

> Maybe I'll show up at that party on the 19th and pick you-guys' brains.

David, feel free to contact me off-list regarding these topics since I
won't be at the meeting on the 19th (getting married the next day, woo hoo!)

Something else that I wanted to stress was the writing of the proposal.
If it is going to be an involved project as had been origially posted, a
well-written proposal can go a long way in communicating to the
potential client that you have a deep understanding of the project they
are asking you to bid on as well as justification for the price you have
delivered, especially if they find it on the high side. (is that a
run-on sentence or what?)

Strong proposals have won me more business than I've lost or not-won and
often when I've known that my price was 5-8 times more than what the
competition was quoting in a "proposal" that was a simple 1 page email.

Why? Because my proposals demonstrate that I have taken the time to
understanding the client's business and needs regarding the project,
have considered a myriad of possibilities for increased complexity and
taken into account the full development cycle. All of this helps to
assure them that you will have minimal cost overruns that you might have
to come back to them for later asking for more money.

Sometimes, I still don't win the job for whatever reason, and the effort
is all for naught (save the learning experience), but at least I know I
gave it the "old college try." (ok, i didn't go to college, who's counting?)

Then there is the whole topic of requirements and specifications, but
really, that is part of the development process.


> 
> Brian's et al's comments are most helpful to this semi-professionl PHP
> dude who would like to get more work.

Great. Nice to hear.

I'd be more than happy to offer my services in helping you price work
and/or the proposal process as well as req & spec.

Brian





From joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com  Tue Sep  9 16:06:47 2003
From: joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com (joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 15:06:47 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP growth (getting OT)
In-Reply-To: <20030909.124146.16221.268397@webmail11.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0309091501070.15569-100000@westhost39.westhost.net>

It's best if you can contact companies before they make their opening known, and make the contact as personal as possible. Try using http://news.netcraft.com/ to find out what companies you're interested in are running (hey, I wouldn't mind working on The Yankees website, do they run PHP?), then hunt for leads there and approach them directly. Takes some work and guts, but may be more fruitful than responding with 100,000 others to ads.

Josh

On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 crisscott at netzero.com wrote:

> 
> Thanks.  That's what I love about this list.  You guys posted a half dozen responses in less than 45 minutes and I have seen more relevant material on Craigslist (which I didn't know existed) in the last 5 minutes than I have seen on multiple job boards in the last 5 months. You guys are the best!  Thanks again
> Scott Mattocks
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 



From shiflett at php.net  Tue Sep  9 16:07:05 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:07:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP growth (getting OT)
In-Reply-To: <20030909.112050.16221.266709@webmail11.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <20030909200705.17929.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com>

--- crisscott at netzero.com wrote:
> All of this growth in PHP use is great but what I want to know is
> where is all of the growth in the PHP jobs? Especially in NY.

I just moved here about three months ago, and I found the most opportunities
through craigslist.org.

One disappointing thing about the job market is the number of inexperienced
people who are doing the design and recruitment for large software projects. If
you want to be doing any serious programming, it is almost essential that you
find a technologically-savvy company. For example, mod_perl developers tend to
flock to Ticketmaster/CitySearch or Amazon. Serious PHP/MySQL developers
migrate toward Yahoo!. Python/C experts go for Google. Things like that. Google
happens to be hiring a lot of developers for their next-generation search
engine, and they are hiring them for their NYC office.

While it seems counterintuitive, I think the job market for advanced developers
is smaller than beginners, simply because the people hiring tend to only
understand that which is beneath them. It makes for a challenging situation if
you don't want to sacrifice your standards to find a job, but sometimes gainful
employment is more important. This decision is entirely up to you, of course,
but I recommend keeping your standards high. It will make you happier down the
road.

I held my ground when looking for a job and turned my head from the Microsoft
shops and Java-based financial institutions. While doing so limited my choices,
it actually helped me in the end, because my choices were all *good* choices.
If you lower your standards too much, you will find yourself trying to decide
between jobs that you don't want, and it is tough to pass up job offers (I had
to turn down three due to my strict time constraints) when everyone is telling
you how hard the job market is here.

So, there's some advice based on recent experience. Hope it helps.

Chris

=====
Become a better Web developer with the HTTP Developer's Handbook
http://httphandbook.org/


From wfan at encogent.com  Tue Sep  9 16:45:23 2003
From: wfan at encogent.com (Wellington Fan)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:45:23 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] (OT) DNS Management
In-Reply-To: <20030909200705.17929.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <NGBBIDLNCJJKIBJPNEHECEIMEBAA.wfan@encogent.com>

Dear Listfolk,

I have a client that has registered about 30-40 domains. What are some
(easy/cheap) options for managing the DNS for these domains?

Some possiblities:
Widge.net:
  $2.45(!)/domain
  http://dns.widge.net/
easyDNS:
  $13/domain
  http://support.easydns.com/service/subscription.php3

What other options do I have? I'm no dummy, but not too experienced with zone
files, etc. I know what 'A' and 'CNAME' records are and generally how DNS
works, but I don't wanna hafta become a DNS wizard (unless it's easy!) to
manage my client's domains.

Thanks!

--
Wellington


From hans at nyphp.org  Tue Sep  9 16:47:42 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 16:47:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] (OT) DNS Management
In-Reply-To: <NGBBIDLNCJJKIBJPNEHECEIMEBAA.wfan@encogent.com>
References: <NGBBIDLNCJJKIBJPNEHECEIMEBAA.wfan@encogent.com>
Message-ID: <3F5E3C6E.8090801@nyphp.org>



Wellington Fan wrote:

> Dear Listfolk,
> 
> I have a client that has registered about 30-40 domains. What are some
> (easy/cheap) options for managing the DNS for these domains?
> 
> Some possiblities:
> Widge.net:
>   $2.45(!)/domain
>   http://dns.widge.net/
> easyDNS:
>   $13/domain
>   http://support.easydns.com/service/subscription.php3
> 
> What other options do I have? I'm no dummy, but not too experienced with zone
> files, etc. I know what 'A' and 'CNAME' records are and generally how DNS
> works, but I don't wanna hafta become a DNS wizard (unless it's easy!) to
> manage my client's domains.

I'd highly recommend ZoneEdit, http://zoneedit.com.  They're a Manhattan company that provides perfect DNS services (and no, doing your own DNS is not fun).

H



From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Mon Sep  8 15:23:26 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 15:23:26 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] phpbb issues (XSS) ...
References: <008601c3770b$965081f0$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <00b501c3763e$adbe0fb0$6700a8c0@thinkpad>

yeah .... seems like the *only* version not affected ... wierd ...

- jon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff" <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 3:50 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] phpbb issues (XSS) ...


> Is that exactly what was entered? I can't reproduce it on ver. 2.0.4.
> 



From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Tue Sep  9 17:38:51 2003
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 17:38:51 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] (OT) DNS Management
References: <NGBBIDLNCJJKIBJPNEHECEIMEBAA.wfan@encogent.com>
Message-ID: <03e301c3771a$c31d53c0$6501a8c0@Notebook>

I use godaddy.com, it's something like 9.95 a year per domain.

Jim
______________________________________________________________
Jim Hendricks, President, Biz Computing, Inc
Phone:  (201) 599-9380     Email: jim at bizcomputinginc.com
Web: www.bizcomputinginc.com
Snail:  Jim Hendricks,  Biz Computing, Inc.,  255 McKinley Ave, New Milford,
NJ 07646
______________________________________________________________

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wellington Fan" <wfan at encogent.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 4:45 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] (OT) DNS Management


> Dear Listfolk,
>
> I have a client that has registered about 30-40 domains. What are some
> (easy/cheap) options for managing the DNS for these domains?
>
> Some possiblities:
> Widge.net:
>   $2.45(!)/domain
>   http://dns.widge.net/
> easyDNS:
>   $13/domain
>   http://support.easydns.com/service/subscription.php3
>
> What other options do I have? I'm no dummy, but not too experienced with
zone
> files, etc. I know what 'A' and 'CNAME' records are and generally how DNS
> works, but I don't wanna hafta become a DNS wizard (unless it's easy!) to
> manage my client's domains.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Wellington
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>



From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Tue Sep  9 17:40:31 2003
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 17:40:31 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] (OT) DNS Management
References: <NGBBIDLNCJJKIBJPNEHECEIMEBAA.wfan@encogent.com>
	<03e301c3771a$c31d53c0$6501a8c0@Notebook>
Message-ID: <03ed01c3771a$feae0ba0$6501a8c0@Notebook>

oops, I should have read the message, I thought you were looking for cheap
domain registration.  Sorry.

Jim
______________________________________________________________
Jim Hendricks, President, Biz Computing, Inc
Phone:  (201) 599-9380     Email: jim at bizcomputinginc.com
Web: www.bizcomputinginc.com
Snail:  Jim Hendricks,  Biz Computing, Inc.,  255 McKinley Ave, New Milford,
NJ 07646
______________________________________________________________

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Hendricks" <jim at bizcomputinginc.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] (OT) DNS Management


> I use godaddy.com, it's something like 9.95 a year per domain.
>
> Jim
> ______________________________________________________________
> Jim Hendricks, President, Biz Computing, Inc
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> Web: www.bizcomputinginc.com
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>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Wellington Fan" <wfan at encogent.com>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 4:45 PM
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] (OT) DNS Management
>
>
> > Dear Listfolk,
> >
> > I have a client that has registered about 30-40 domains. What are some
> > (easy/cheap) options for managing the DNS for these domains?
> >
> > Some possiblities:
> > Widge.net:
> >   $2.45(!)/domain
> >   http://dns.widge.net/
> > easyDNS:
> >   $13/domain
> >   http://support.easydns.com/service/subscription.php3
> >
> > What other options do I have? I'm no dummy, but not too experienced with
> zone
> > files, etc. I know what 'A' and 'CNAME' records are and generally how
DNS
> > works, but I don't wanna hafta become a DNS wizard (unless it's easy!)
to
> > manage my client's domains.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > --
> > Wellington
> > _______________________________________________
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> > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Tue Sep  9 17:41:55 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 17:41:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] phpbb issues (XSS) ...
In-Reply-To: <00b501c3763e$adbe0fb0$6700a8c0@thinkpad>
Message-ID: <009801c3771b$316d87f0$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

I just got lucky on my version selection.

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of jon baer
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 2:23 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] phpbb issues (XSS) ...


yeah .... seems like the *only* version not affected ... wierd ...

- jon

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From: "Jeff" <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 3:50 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] phpbb issues (XSS) ...


> Is that exactly what was entered? I can't reproduce it on ver. 2.0.4.
> 

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From shiflett at php.net  Tue Sep  9 18:01:06 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 15:01:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] (OT) DNS Management
In-Reply-To: <03ed01c3771a$feae0ba0$6501a8c0@Notebook>
Message-ID: <20030909220106.64865.qmail@web14308.mail.yahoo.com>

> I have a client that has registered about 30-40 domains. What are
> some (easy/cheap) options for managing the DNS for these domains?

I've never used them, but DynDNS seems to have a good reputation, and I think
they specialize in this sort of thing. Disclaimer: They bought me a lot of free
beer at OSCON. :-)

Chris

=====
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From soazine at erols.com  Tue Sep  9 18:27:12 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 18:27:12 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Excel Parser
Message-ID: <092b01c37721$83efe8f0$67a76244@philofsoa>

What would one best recommend to parse an existing Excel spreadsheet (was done in Excel 97 or 2000 not sure to be honest)?  I am looking for the most practical way of parsing an existing spreadsheet to place contents into a mySQL db.

Thanx, Phil
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From bpang at bpang.com  Tue Sep  9 19:45:57 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 19:45:57 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Excel Parser
Message-ID: <E19wsBJ-0005qB-Je@rslrs1-server.com>

save it as a comma-separated text file and use phpMyAdmin to import it


> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> 
> 
> What would one best recommend to parse an existing Excel spreadsheet
(was done in Excel 97 or 2000 not sure to be honest)?  I am looking for
the most practical way of parsing an existing spreadsheet to place
contents into a mySQL db.
> 
> Thanx, Phil
> 





From soazine at erols.com  Tue Sep  9 22:09:37 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 22:09:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Excel Parser
References: <E19wsBJ-0005qB-Je@rslrs1-server.com>
Message-ID: <006201c37740$96813bd0$67a76244@philofsoa>

I can't save it as .csv as I don't have Excel (and w/o a working CD-ROM no
means of getting it installed either).  Since that's not an option what else
would you recommend?

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Pang" <bpang at bpang.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP Excel Parser


> save it as a comma-separated text file and use phpMyAdmin to import it
>
>
> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> >
> >
> > What would one best recommend to parse an existing Excel spreadsheet
> (was done in Excel 97 or 2000 not sure to be honest)?  I am looking for
> the most practical way of parsing an existing spreadsheet to place
> contents into a mySQL db.
> >
> > Thanx, Phil
> >
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From adam at trachtenberg.com  Tue Sep  9 22:16:34 2003
From: adam at trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 22:16:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Excel Parser
In-Reply-To: <006201c37740$96813bd0$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309092215140.30698-100000@miranda.org>

On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Phil Powell wrote:

> I can't save it as .csv as I don't have Excel (and w/o a working CD-ROM no
> means of getting it installed either).  Since that's not an option what else
> would you recommend?

OpenOffice? Gnumeric? Going to the public library and using one of
their computers? Kinkos?

-adam

-- 
adam at trachtenberg.com
author of o'reilly's php cookbook
avoid the holiday rush, buy your copy today!



From soazine at erols.com  Tue Sep  9 22:17:44 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 22:17:44 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Excel Parser
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309092215140.30698-100000@miranda.org>
Message-ID: <007001c37741$b8be6190$67a76244@philofsoa>

Kinko's here is too expensive an option when you're unemployed, and the
western DC suburbs don't have public libraries you can find..

Couldn't I just use PHP's COM objects to parse the Excel spreadsheet
instead?

Phil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg" <adam at trachtenberg.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP Excel Parser


> On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Phil Powell wrote:
>
> > I can't save it as .csv as I don't have Excel (and w/o a working CD-ROM
no
> > means of getting it installed either).  Since that's not an option what
else
> > would you recommend?
>
> OpenOffice? Gnumeric? Going to the public library and using one of
> their computers? Kinkos?
>
> -adam
>
> -- 
> adam at trachtenberg.com
> author of o'reilly's php cookbook
> avoid the holiday rush, buy your copy today!
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From adam at trachtenberg.com  Tue Sep  9 23:00:22 2003
From: adam at trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 23:00:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Excel Parser
In-Reply-To: <007001c37741$b8be6190$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309092251020.10986-100000@miranda.org>

On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Phil Powell wrote:

> Kinko's here is too expensive an option when you're unemployed, and the
> western DC suburbs don't have public libraries you can find..

http://www.mont.lib.md.us/branchinfo/map.asp

> Couldn't I just use PHP's COM objects to parse the Excel spreadsheet
> instead?

I believe that in order for you to talk to a program using COM you
actually need to have that program on your computer. In any case, that
still seems like a heck of a lot harder than just downloading some
Office clone and exporting as CSV.

However, if you're determined to do this in PHP, this site may have
something that can help:

http://badblue.com/helpphpo.htm

Alternatively, you could download a demo version of this product and
use this function:

> Added MS Excel->MySQL builder. This is plugin (PHP program) - output
> in MySQL database.  This program imports data extracted by ABC Excel
> Parser Pro from an Excel file into a MySQL database table.  There
> are no PHP programming skills required to create MySQL database from
> your Excel file.

http://www.zakkis.ca/products/abc_excelparser/index.php

-adam

PS: I found most of these by typing "PHP Excel" into Google.

-- 
adam at trachtenberg.com
author of o'reilly's php cookbook
avoid the holiday rush, buy your copy today!



From soazine at erols.com  Wed Sep 10 00:58:16 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 00:58:16 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in schema - HELP!
Message-ID: <00fb01c37758$263bb360$67a76244@philofsoa>

create table if not exists nnet_produkt_varegruppe (
 nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id int not null auto_increment,
 primary key(nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id),
 nnet_produkt_varegruppe_navn varchar(255) not null
);


create table if not exists nnet_produkt_farge (
 nnet_produkt_farge_id int not null auto_increment,
 primary key(nnet_produkt_farge_id),
 nnet_produkt_farge_code varchar(5) not null,
 nnet_produkt_farge_navn varchar(255) not null
);

alter table nnet_produkt_farge add index ix_nnet_produkt_farge_code(nnet_produkt_farge.nnet_produkt_farge_code);

create table if not exists nnet_produkt_storrelse (
 nnet_produkt_storrelse_id int not null auto_increment,
 primary key(nnet_produkt_storrelse_id),
 nnet_produkt_storrelse_navn varchar(255) not null
);

create table if not exists nnet_produkt (
 nnet_produkt_id int not null auto_increment,
 primary key(nnet_produkt_id),
 nnet_produkt_varenr varchar(50) not null,
 nnet_produkt_navn varchar(255) not null,
 nnet_produkt_farge_code varchar(5),
 nnet_produkt_storrelse_id int default 0,
 nnet_produkt_kvalitet_id int default 0,
 nnet_produkt_krage varchar(255),
 nnet_produkt_innpris decimal(6,2) not null,
 nnet_produkt_utpris decimal(6,2) not null,
 nnet_produkt_netto decimal(6,2) not null,
 nnet_produkt_forhandler_rabatt decimal(6,2) not null,
 nnet_produkt_bonus decimal(6,2) default 0.00,
 nnet_produkt_toppbonus decimal(6,2) default 0.00,
 nnet_produkt_bto decimal(6,2) default 0.00,
 nnet_produkt_quantity int default 0
);

alter table nnet_produkt add index ix_nnet_produkt_varenr(nnet_produkt_varenr);
alter table nnet_produkt add index ix_nnet_produkt_navn(nnet_produkt_navn);
alter table nnet_produkt add index ix_nnet_produkt_fargecode(nnet_produkt.nnet_produkt_farge_code);
alter table nnet_produkt add index ix_nnet_produkt_storrelse_id(nnet_produkt_storrelse_id);
alter table nnet_produkt add index ix_nnet_produkt_innpris(nnet_produkt_innpris);
alter table nnet_produkt add index ix_nnet_produkt_utpris(nnet_produkt_utpris);
alter table nnet_produkt add index ix_nnet_produkt_netto(nnet_produkt_netto);
alter table nnet_produkt add index ix_nnet_produkt_forhandler_rabatt(nnet_produkt_forhandler_rabatt);
alter table nnet_produkt add index ix_nnet_produkt_bonus(nnet_produkt_bonus);
alter table nnet_produkt add index ix_nnet_produkt_toppbonus(nnet_produkt_toppbonus);
alter table nnet_produkt add index ix_nnet_produkt_bto(nnet_produkt_bto);
alter table nnet_produkt add index ix_nnet_produkt_quantity(nnet_produkt_quantity);


I cannot create the indices I need considering the schema structure I am listing.  How on earth do I create something like a foreign key constraints if it doesn't let you?

mySQL is starting to SUCK!!!!!!

Phil
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From dkrook at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 10 01:35:07 2003
From: dkrook at hotmail.com (D C Krook)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 01:35:07 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Excel Parser
Message-ID: <BAY2-F130mJ5CY3J7ck00003f5f@hotmail.com>

Phil,

I would recommend going with Adam's suggestion and downloading an Excel 
clone.

OpenOffice's Calc may be what you need to open the .xls and export as .csv.  
It's a hefty download but may be your best option.

http://www.openoffice.org/

Download for Windows
http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/1.1rc4/index.html#windows


>I can't save it as .csv as I don't have Excel (and w/o a working CD-ROM no
>means of getting it installed either).  Since that's not an option what 
>else
>would you recommend?

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From soazine at erols.com  Wed Sep 10 01:48:08 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 01:48:08 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Excel Parser
References: <BAY2-F130mJ5CY3J7ck00003f5f@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <018801c3775f$1cefec70$67a76244@philofsoa>

My luck runneth over.. I downloaded OpenOffice for Windows.. and it won't
install!!! The bloody thing won't work!

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "D C Krook" <dkrook at hotmail.com>
To: <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 1:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP Excel Parser


> Phil,
>
> I would recommend going with Adam's suggestion and downloading an Excel
> clone.
>
> OpenOffice's Calc may be what you need to open the .xls and export as
.csv.
> It's a hefty download but may be your best option.
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/
>
> Download for Windows
> http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/1.1rc4/index.html#windows
>
>
> >I can't save it as .csv as I don't have Excel (and w/o a working CD-ROM
no
> >means of getting it installed either).  Since that's not an option what
> >else
> >would you recommend?
>
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From soazine at erols.com  Wed Sep 10 01:52:01 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 01:52:01 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Excel Parser
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309092251020.10986-100000@miranda.org>
Message-ID: <018e01c3775f$a7cb8fc0$67a76244@philofsoa>

See below. >:(
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg" <adam at trachtenberg.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP Excel Parser


> On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Phil Powell wrote:
>
> > Kinko's here is too expensive an option when you're unemployed, and the
> > western DC suburbs don't have public libraries you can find..
>
> http://www.mont.lib.md.us/branchinfo/map.asp
>

I live 20 - 25 mins from every one of those libraries.  I'm in Virginia, not
Maryland.

> > Couldn't I just use PHP's COM objects to parse the Excel spreadsheet
> > instead?
>
> I believe that in order for you to talk to a program using COM you
> actually need to have that program on your computer. In any case, that
> still seems like a heck of a lot harder than just downloading some
> Office clone and exporting as CSV.
>
> However, if you're determined to do this in PHP, this site may have
> something that can help:
>
> http://badblue.com/helpphpo.htm
>

I'll look into it as OpenOffice was apparently a bad option for me.  I
downloaded it but cannot install it (got the Windows version and setup.exe
does absolutely nothing)


> Alternatively, you could download a demo version of this product and
> use this function:
>
> > Added MS Excel->MySQL builder. This is plugin (PHP program) - output
> > in MySQL database.  This program imports data extracted by ABC Excel
> > Parser Pro from an Excel file into a MySQL database table.  There
> > are no PHP programming skills required to create MySQL database from
> > your Excel file.
>
> http://www.zakkis.ca/products/abc_excelparser/index.php
>

Isn't there a free "non-pro" version of this? I saw it on the Web the other
day but can't remember where.


> -adam
>
> PS: I found most of these by typing "PHP Excel" into Google.
>
> -- 
> adam at trachtenberg.com
> author of o'reilly's php cookbook
> avoid the holiday rush, buy your copy today!
>
> _______________________________________________
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From soazine at erols.com  Wed Sep 10 02:09:18 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 02:09:18 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Excel Spreadsheet Pt II
Message-ID: <01c101c37762$11f93170$67a76244@philofsoa>

Ok guys I give up.  I can't do this one at all.  Could literally someone do it for me?  The spreadsheet is at http://valsignalandet.com/fruit.xls

I have no ability to do this, OpenOffice won't install, and I have a job interview tomorrow and leave for Tampa on Thursday for a final interview.  Since the COM class only works for PHP in Windows, I can't use that either, so I'm out of options altogether.

AUGH!

Phil
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From lists at ny-tech.net  Wed Sep 10 02:57:26 2003
From: lists at ny-tech.net (Nasir Zubair)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 02:57:26 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in schema -
	HELP!
In-Reply-To: <00fb01c37758$263bb360$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <001501c37768$cc5ae940$6401a8c0@main>

As far as I know the foreign key constraints are only for "InnoDB" type
tables. The way you have listed your schema, it seems like you didn't
specify the type of the table. The default type is myISAM. 

I might be way off on this one :)

- Nasir

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Powell [mailto:soazine at erols.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 12:58 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in schema - HELP!


create table if not exists nnet_produkt_varegruppe (
 nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id int not null auto_increment,
 primary key(nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id),
 nnet_produkt_varegruppe_navn varchar(255) not null
);


create table if not exists nnet_produkt_farge (
 nnet_produkt_farge_id int not null auto_increment,
 primary key(nnet_produkt_farge_id),
 nnet_produkt_farge_code varchar(5) not null,
 nnet_produkt_farge_navn varchar(255) not null
);

alter table nnet_produkt_farge add index
ix_nnet_produkt_farge_code(nnet_produkt_farge.nnet_produkt_farge_code);

create table if not exists nnet_produkt_storrelse (
 nnet_produkt_storrelse_id int not null auto_increment,
 primary key(nnet_produkt_storrelse_id),
 nnet_produkt_storrelse_navn varchar(255) not null
);

create table if not exists nnet_produkt (
 nnet_produkt_id int not null auto_increment,
 primary key(nnet_produkt_id),
 nnet_produkt_varenr varchar(50) not null,
 nnet_produkt_navn varchar(255) not null,
 nnet_produkt_farge_code varchar(5),
 nnet_produkt_storrelse_id int default 0,
 nnet_produkt_kvalitet_id int default 0,
 nnet_produkt_krage varchar(255),
 nnet_produkt_innpris decimal(6,2) not null,
 nnet_produkt_utpris decimal(6,2) not null,
 nnet_produkt_netto decimal(6,2) not null,
 nnet_produkt_forhandler_rabatt decimal(6,2) not null,
 nnet_produkt_bonus decimal(6,2) default 0.00,
 nnet_produkt_toppbonus decimal(6,2) default 0.00,
 nnet_produkt_bto decimal(6,2) default 0.00,
 nnet_produkt_quantity int default 0
);

alter table nnet_produkt add index
ix_nnet_produkt_varenr(nnet_produkt_varenr);
alter table nnet_produkt add index ix_nnet_produkt_navn(nnet_produkt_navn);
alter table nnet_produkt add index
ix_nnet_produkt_fargecode(nnet_produkt.nnet_produkt_farge_code);
alter table nnet_produkt add index
ix_nnet_produkt_storrelse_id(nnet_produkt_storrelse_id);
alter table nnet_produkt add index
ix_nnet_produkt_innpris(nnet_produkt_innpris);
alter table nnet_produkt add index
ix_nnet_produkt_utpris(nnet_produkt_utpris);
alter table nnet_produkt add index
ix_nnet_produkt_netto(nnet_produkt_netto);
alter table nnet_produkt add index
ix_nnet_produkt_forhandler_rabatt(nnet_produkt_forhandler_rabatt);
alter table nnet_produkt add index
ix_nnet_produkt_bonus(nnet_produkt_bonus);
alter table nnet_produkt add index
ix_nnet_produkt_toppbonus(nnet_produkt_toppbonus);
alter table nnet_produkt add index ix_nnet_produkt_bto(nnet_produkt_bto);
alter table nnet_produkt add index
ix_nnet_produkt_quantity(nnet_produkt_quantity);


I cannot create the indices I need considering the schema structure I am
listing.  How on earth do I create something like a foreign key constraints
if it doesn't let you?

mySQL is starting to SUCK!!!!!!

Phil



From soazine at erols.com  Wed Sep 10 02:57:37 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 02:57:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in schema -HELP!
References: <001501c37768$cc5ae940$6401a8c0@main>
Message-ID: <022201c37768$d21ebdc0$67a76244@philofsoa>

You completely lost me. :(

Phil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nasir Zubair" <lists at ny-tech.net>
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 2:57 AM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in
schema -HELP!


As far as I know the foreign key constraints are only for "InnoDB" type
tables. The way you have listed your schema, it seems like you didn't
specify the type of the table. The default type is myISAM.

I might be way off on this one :)

- Nasir

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Powell [mailto:soazine at erols.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 12:58 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in schema - HELP!


create table if not exists nnet_produkt_varegruppe (
 nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id int not null auto_increment,
 primary key(nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id),
 nnet_produkt_varegruppe_navn varchar(255) not null
);


create table if not exists nnet_produkt_farge (
 nnet_produkt_farge_id int not null auto_increment,
 primary key(nnet_produkt_farge_id),
 nnet_produkt_farge_code varchar(5) not null,
 nnet_produkt_farge_navn varchar(255) not null
);

alter table nnet_produkt_farge add index
ix_nnet_produkt_farge_code(nnet_produkt_farge.nnet_produkt_farge_code);

create table if not exists nnet_produkt_storrelse (
 nnet_produkt_storrelse_id int not null auto_increment,
 primary key(nnet_produkt_storrelse_id),
 nnet_produkt_storrelse_navn varchar(255) not null
);

create table if not exists nnet_produkt (
 nnet_produkt_id int not null auto_increment,
 primary key(nnet_produkt_id),
 nnet_produkt_varenr varchar(50) not null,
 nnet_produkt_navn varchar(255) not null,
 nnet_produkt_farge_code varchar(5),
 nnet_produkt_storrelse_id int default 0,
 nnet_produkt_kvalitet_id int default 0,
 nnet_produkt_krage varchar(255),
 nnet_produkt_innpris decimal(6,2) not null,
 nnet_produkt_utpris decimal(6,2) not null,
 nnet_produkt_netto decimal(6,2) not null,
 nnet_produkt_forhandler_rabatt decimal(6,2) not null,
 nnet_produkt_bonus decimal(6,2) default 0.00,
 nnet_produkt_toppbonus decimal(6,2) default 0.00,
 nnet_produkt_bto decimal(6,2) default 0.00,
 nnet_produkt_quantity int default 0
);

alter table nnet_produkt add index
ix_nnet_produkt_varenr(nnet_produkt_varenr);
alter table nnet_produkt add index ix_nnet_produkt_navn(nnet_produkt_navn);
alter table nnet_produkt add index
ix_nnet_produkt_fargecode(nnet_produkt.nnet_produkt_farge_code);
alter table nnet_produkt add index
ix_nnet_produkt_storrelse_id(nnet_produkt_storrelse_id);
alter table nnet_produkt add index
ix_nnet_produkt_innpris(nnet_produkt_innpris);
alter table nnet_produkt add index
ix_nnet_produkt_utpris(nnet_produkt_utpris);
alter table nnet_produkt add index
ix_nnet_produkt_netto(nnet_produkt_netto);
alter table nnet_produkt add index
ix_nnet_produkt_forhandler_rabatt(nnet_produkt_forhandler_rabatt);
alter table nnet_produkt add index
ix_nnet_produkt_bonus(nnet_produkt_bonus);
alter table nnet_produkt add index
ix_nnet_produkt_toppbonus(nnet_produkt_toppbonus);
alter table nnet_produkt add index ix_nnet_produkt_bto(nnet_produkt_bto);
alter table nnet_produkt add index
ix_nnet_produkt_quantity(nnet_produkt_quantity);


I cannot create the indices I need considering the schema structure I am
listing.  How on earth do I create something like a foreign key constraints
if it doesn't let you?

mySQL is starting to SUCK!!!!!!

Phil

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From lists at ny-tech.net  Wed Sep 10 03:05:41 2003
From: lists at ny-tech.net (Nasir Zubair)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 03:05:41 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in schema -HELP!
In-Reply-To: <022201c37768$d21ebdc0$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <001601c37769$f3d74a30$6401a8c0@main>

http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/ANSI_diff_Foreign_Keys.html states "In MySQL
Server 3.23.44 and up, InnoDB tables support checking of foreign key
constraints, including CASCADE, ON DELETE, and ON UPDATE."

Looking at the schema you gave, you are not creating "innoDB" tables.

For example, you will need to change the first table definition from this:

create table if not exists nnet_produkt_varegruppe (  
	nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id int not null auto_increment,
	primary key(nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id),
      nnet_produkt_varegruppe_navn varchar(255) not null 
	);

To this:

create table if not exists nnet_produkt_varegruppe (  
	nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id int not null auto_increment,
	primary key(nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id),
      nnet_produkt_varegruppe_navn varchar(255) not null 
	)TYPE=INNODB;

When you leave off the "TYPE" in your table definition, mySQL assumes it to
be "TYPE=MYISAM", which doesn't support foreign keys.

More on table types: http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Table_types.html

Hope it helps :D

- Nasir

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Powell [mailto:soazine at erols.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 2:58 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in schema
-HELP!


You completely lost me. :(

Phil



From soazine at erols.com  Wed Sep 10 03:08:43 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 03:08:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in schema -HELP!
References: <001601c37769$f3d74a30$6401a8c0@main>
Message-ID: <024501c3776a$5ec4f270$67a76244@philofsoa>

Let me preface it by saying I've done Oracle for almost 5 years... this is
brand new to me!!!

I checked using phpMySQLAdmin and InnoDB isn't given as a table type option
(only ISAM, Berkeley DB, Heap, myISAM and one other one I don't remember)..

You see, with Oracle, SQL Server and even Access, I've never had to specify
table type because I would always get - I guess - InnoDB and so foreign key
constraints were a normal part of table schema design..

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nasir Zubair" <lists at ny-tech.net>
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:05 AM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in
schema -HELP!


> http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/ANSI_diff_Foreign_Keys.html states "In MySQL
> Server 3.23.44 and up, InnoDB tables support checking of foreign key
> constraints, including CASCADE, ON DELETE, and ON UPDATE."
>
> Looking at the schema you gave, you are not creating "innoDB" tables.
>
> For example, you will need to change the first table definition from this:
>
> create table if not exists nnet_produkt_varegruppe (
> nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id int not null auto_increment,
> primary key(nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id),
>       nnet_produkt_varegruppe_navn varchar(255) not null
> );
>
> To this:
>
> create table if not exists nnet_produkt_varegruppe (
> nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id int not null auto_increment,
> primary key(nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id),
>       nnet_produkt_varegruppe_navn varchar(255) not null
> )TYPE=INNODB;
>
> When you leave off the "TYPE" in your table definition, mySQL assumes it
to
> be "TYPE=MYISAM", which doesn't support foreign keys.
>
> More on table types: http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Table_types.html
>
> Hope it helps :D
>
> - Nasir
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil Powell [mailto:soazine at erols.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 2:58 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in schema
> -HELP!
>
>
> You completely lost me. :(
>
> Phil
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From lists at ny-tech.net  Wed Sep 10 03:25:52 2003
From: lists at ny-tech.net (Nasir Zubair)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 03:25:52 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in schema -HELP!
In-Reply-To: <024501c3776a$5ec4f270$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <000001c3776c$c58755a0$6401a8c0@main>

In that case you'll have to do it manually, using the following query:

ALTER TABLE [table name] TYPE = INNODB;

What version of PMA you are running? I have 2.4.0 and it show all supported
types, including InnoDB. Perhaps your mysql is running with "--skip-innodb"
switch.


-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Powell [mailto:soazine at erols.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:09 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in schema
-HELP!


Let me preface it by saying I've done Oracle for almost 5 years... this is
brand new to me!!!

I checked using phpMySQLAdmin and InnoDB isn't given as a table type option
(only ISAM, Berkeley DB, Heap, myISAM and one other one I don't remember)..

You see, with Oracle, SQL Server and even Access, I've never had to specify
table type because I would always get - I guess - InnoDB and so foreign key
constraints were a normal part of table schema design..

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nasir Zubair" <lists at ny-tech.net>
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:05 AM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in schema
-HELP!


> http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/ANSI_diff_Foreign_Keys.html states "In 
> MySQL Server 3.23.44 and up, InnoDB tables support checking of foreign 
> key constraints, including CASCADE, ON DELETE, and ON UPDATE."
>
> Looking at the schema you gave, you are not creating "innoDB" tables.
>
> For example, you will need to change the first table definition from 
> this:
>
> create table if not exists nnet_produkt_varegruppe ( 
> nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id int not null auto_increment, primary 
> key(nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id),
>       nnet_produkt_varegruppe_navn varchar(255) not null
> );
>
> To this:
>
> create table if not exists nnet_produkt_varegruppe ( 
> nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id int not null auto_increment, primary 
> key(nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id),
>       nnet_produkt_varegruppe_navn varchar(255) not null )TYPE=INNODB;
>
> When you leave off the "TYPE" in your table definition, mySQL assumes 
> it
to
> be "TYPE=MYISAM", which doesn't support foreign keys.
>
> More on table types: http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Table_types.html
>
> Hope it helps :D
>
> - Nasir
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil Powell [mailto:soazine at erols.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 2:58 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in 
> schema -HELP!
>
>
> You completely lost me. :(
>
> Phil
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk

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From soazine at erols.com  Wed Sep 10 03:27:42 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 03:27:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in schema -HELP!
References: <000001c3776c$c58755a0$6401a8c0@main>
Message-ID: <027a01c3776d$060d9580$67a76244@philofsoa>

2.3.3 is what they're running.  Don't know if that version has any option
for InnoDB

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nasir Zubair" <lists at ny-tech.net>
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:25 AM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in
schema -HELP!


> In that case you'll have to do it manually, using the following query:
>
> ALTER TABLE [table name] TYPE = INNODB;
>
> What version of PMA you are running? I have 2.4.0 and it show all
supported
> types, including InnoDB. Perhaps your mysql is running with
"--skip-innodb"
> switch.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil Powell [mailto:soazine at erols.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:09 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in schema
> -HELP!
>
>
> Let me preface it by saying I've done Oracle for almost 5 years... this is
> brand new to me!!!
>
> I checked using phpMySQLAdmin and InnoDB isn't given as a table type
option
> (only ISAM, Berkeley DB, Heap, myISAM and one other one I don't
remember)..
>
> You see, with Oracle, SQL Server and even Access, I've never had to
specify
> table type because I would always get - I guess - InnoDB and so foreign
key
> constraints were a normal part of table schema design..
>
> Phil
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Nasir Zubair" <lists at ny-tech.net>
> To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:05 AM
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in schema
> -HELP!
>
>
> > http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/ANSI_diff_Foreign_Keys.html states "In
> > MySQL Server 3.23.44 and up, InnoDB tables support checking of foreign
> > key constraints, including CASCADE, ON DELETE, and ON UPDATE."
> >
> > Looking at the schema you gave, you are not creating "innoDB" tables.
> >
> > For example, you will need to change the first table definition from
> > this:
> >
> > create table if not exists nnet_produkt_varegruppe (
> > nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id int not null auto_increment, primary
> > key(nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id),
> >       nnet_produkt_varegruppe_navn varchar(255) not null
> > );
> >
> > To this:
> >
> > create table if not exists nnet_produkt_varegruppe (
> > nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id int not null auto_increment, primary
> > key(nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id),
> >       nnet_produkt_varegruppe_navn varchar(255) not null )TYPE=INNODB;
> >
> > When you leave off the "TYPE" in your table definition, mySQL assumes
> > it
> to
> > be "TYPE=MYISAM", which doesn't support foreign keys.
> >
> > More on table types: http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Table_types.html
> >
> > Hope it helps :D
> >
> > - Nasir
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Phil Powell [mailto:soazine at erols.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 2:58 AM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in
> > schema -HELP!
> >
> >
> > You completely lost me. :(
> >
> > Phil
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From lists at ny-tech.net  Wed Sep 10 03:47:25 2003
From: lists at ny-tech.net (Nasir Zubair)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 03:47:25 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in schema -HELP!
In-Reply-To: <027a01c3776d$060d9580$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <000001c3776f$c8484300$6401a8c0@main>

Latest one is 2.5.3. See if using that gives you the option. Of course
you'll have to install it first ;) http://www.phpmyadmin.net/


- Nasir

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Powell [mailto:soazine at erols.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:28 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in schema
-HELP!


2.3.3 is what they're running.  Don't know if that version has any option
for InnoDB

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nasir Zubair" <lists at ny-tech.net>
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:25 AM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in schema
-HELP!


> In that case you'll have to do it manually, using the following query:
>
> ALTER TABLE [table name] TYPE = INNODB;
>
> What version of PMA you are running? I have 2.4.0 and it show all
supported
> types, including InnoDB. Perhaps your mysql is running with
"--skip-innodb"
> switch.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil Powell [mailto:soazine at erols.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:09 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in 
> schema -HELP!
>
>
> Let me preface it by saying I've done Oracle for almost 5 years... 
> this is brand new to me!!!
>
> I checked using phpMySQLAdmin and InnoDB isn't given as a table type
option
> (only ISAM, Berkeley DB, Heap, myISAM and one other one I don't
remember)..
>
> You see, with Oracle, SQL Server and even Access, I've never had to
specify
> table type because I would always get - I guess - InnoDB and so 
> foreign
key
> constraints were a normal part of table schema design..
>
> Phil
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nasir Zubair" <lists at ny-tech.net>
> To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:05 AM
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in schema
> -HELP!
>
>
> > http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/ANSI_diff_Foreign_Keys.html states "In 
> > MySQL Server 3.23.44 and up, InnoDB tables support checking of 
> > foreign key constraints, including CASCADE, ON DELETE, and ON 
> > UPDATE."
> >
> > Looking at the schema you gave, you are not creating "innoDB" 
> > tables.
> >
> > For example, you will need to change the first table definition from
> > this:
> >
> > create table if not exists nnet_produkt_varegruppe ( 
> > nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id int not null auto_increment, primary 
> > key(nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id),
> >       nnet_produkt_varegruppe_navn varchar(255) not null
> > );
> >
> > To this:
> >
> > create table if not exists nnet_produkt_varegruppe ( 
> > nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id int not null auto_increment, primary 
> > key(nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id),
> >       nnet_produkt_varegruppe_navn varchar(255) not null 
> > )TYPE=INNODB;
> >
> > When you leave off the "TYPE" in your table definition, mySQL 
> > assumes it
> to
> > be "TYPE=MYISAM", which doesn't support foreign keys.
> >
> > More on table types: http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Table_types.html
> >
> > Hope it helps :D
> >
> > - Nasir
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Phil Powell [mailto:soazine at erols.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 2:58 AM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in 
> > schema -HELP!
> >
> >
> > You completely lost me. :(
> >
> > Phil
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk

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From soazine at erols.com  Wed Sep 10 03:48:43 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 03:48:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in schema -HELP!
References: <000001c3776f$c8484300$6401a8c0@main>
Message-ID: <02a301c3776f$f555c520$67a76244@philofsoa>

Install it.. where? This is on a remote server that is approximately 5000
miles away!  And I don't even have telnet, much less SSH access.

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nasir Zubair" <lists at ny-tech.net>
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:47 AM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in
schema -HELP!


> Latest one is 2.5.3. See if using that gives you the option. Of course
> you'll have to install it first ;) http://www.phpmyadmin.net/
>
>
> - Nasir
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil Powell [mailto:soazine at erols.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:28 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in schema
> -HELP!
>
>
> 2.3.3 is what they're running.  Don't know if that version has any option
> for InnoDB
>
> Phil
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Nasir Zubair" <lists at ny-tech.net>
> To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:25 AM
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in schema
> -HELP!
>
>
> > In that case you'll have to do it manually, using the following query:
> >
> > ALTER TABLE [table name] TYPE = INNODB;
> >
> > What version of PMA you are running? I have 2.4.0 and it show all
> supported
> > types, including InnoDB. Perhaps your mysql is running with
> "--skip-innodb"
> > switch.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Phil Powell [mailto:soazine at erols.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:09 AM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in
> > schema -HELP!
> >
> >
> > Let me preface it by saying I've done Oracle for almost 5 years...
> > this is brand new to me!!!
> >
> > I checked using phpMySQLAdmin and InnoDB isn't given as a table type
> option
> > (only ISAM, Berkeley DB, Heap, myISAM and one other one I don't
> remember)..
> >
> > You see, with Oracle, SQL Server and even Access, I've never had to
> specify
> > table type because I would always get - I guess - InnoDB and so
> > foreign
> key
> > constraints were a normal part of table schema design..
> >
> > Phil
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nasir Zubair" <lists at ny-tech.net>
> > To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:05 AM
> > Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in schema
> > -HELP!
> >
> >
> > > http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/ANSI_diff_Foreign_Keys.html states "In
> > > MySQL Server 3.23.44 and up, InnoDB tables support checking of
> > > foreign key constraints, including CASCADE, ON DELETE, and ON
> > > UPDATE."
> > >
> > > Looking at the schema you gave, you are not creating "innoDB"
> > > tables.
> > >
> > > For example, you will need to change the first table definition from
> > > this:
> > >
> > > create table if not exists nnet_produkt_varegruppe (
> > > nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id int not null auto_increment, primary
> > > key(nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id),
> > >       nnet_produkt_varegruppe_navn varchar(255) not null
> > > );
> > >
> > > To this:
> > >
> > > create table if not exists nnet_produkt_varegruppe (
> > > nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id int not null auto_increment, primary
> > > key(nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id),
> > >       nnet_produkt_varegruppe_navn varchar(255) not null
> > > )TYPE=INNODB;
> > >
> > > When you leave off the "TYPE" in your table definition, mySQL
> > > assumes it
> > to
> > > be "TYPE=MYISAM", which doesn't support foreign keys.
> > >
> > > More on table types: http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Table_types.html
> > >
> > > Hope it helps :D
> > >
> > > - Nasir
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Phil Powell [mailto:soazine at erols.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 2:58 AM
> > > To: NYPHP Talk
> > > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in
> > > schema -HELP!
> > >
> > >
> > > You completely lost me. :(
> > >
> > > Phil
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > talk mailing list
> > > talk at lists.nyphp.org http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> >
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>
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From lists at ny-tech.net  Wed Sep 10 03:53:03 2003
From: lists at ny-tech.net (Nasir Zubair)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 03:53:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in schema -HELP!
In-Reply-To: <02a301c3776f$f555c520$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <000001c37770$918d60b0$6401a8c0@main>

Oh, it's just a bunch of php files. Just edit the config file and dump 'em
all into a subdirectory of your account ( via FTP).


-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Powell [mailto:soazine at erols.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:49 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in schema
-HELP!


Install it.. where? This is on a remote server that is approximately 5000
miles away!  And I don't even have telnet, much less SSH access.

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nasir Zubair" <lists at ny-tech.net>
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:47 AM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in schema
-HELP!


> Latest one is 2.5.3. See if using that gives you the option. Of course 
> you'll have to install it first ;) http://www.phpmyadmin.net/
>
>
> - Nasir
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil Powell [mailto:soazine at erols.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:28 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in 
> schema -HELP!
>
>
> 2.3.3 is what they're running.  Don't know if that version has any 
> option for InnoDB
>
> Phil
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nasir Zubair" <lists at ny-tech.net>
> To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:25 AM
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in schema
> -HELP!
>
>
> > In that case you'll have to do it manually, using the following 
> > query:
> >
> > ALTER TABLE [table name] TYPE = INNODB;
> >
> > What version of PMA you are running? I have 2.4.0 and it show all
> supported
> > types, including InnoDB. Perhaps your mysql is running with
> "--skip-innodb"
> > switch.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Phil Powell [mailto:soazine at erols.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:09 AM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in 
> > schema -HELP!
> >
> >
> > Let me preface it by saying I've done Oracle for almost 5 years... 
> > this is brand new to me!!!
> >
> > I checked using phpMySQLAdmin and InnoDB isn't given as a table type
> option
> > (only ISAM, Berkeley DB, Heap, myISAM and one other one I don't
> remember)..
> >
> > You see, with Oracle, SQL Server and even Access, I've never had to
> specify
> > table type because I would always get - I guess - InnoDB and so 
> > foreign
> key
> > constraints were a normal part of table schema design..
> >
> > Phil
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nasir Zubair" <lists at ny-tech.net>
> > To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:05 AM
> > Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in 
> > schema -HELP!
> >
> >
> > > http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/ANSI_diff_Foreign_Keys.html states "In 
> > > MySQL Server 3.23.44 and up, InnoDB tables support checking of 
> > > foreign key constraints, including CASCADE, ON DELETE, and ON 
> > > UPDATE."
> > >
> > > Looking at the schema you gave, you are not creating "innoDB" 
> > > tables.
> > >
> > > For example, you will need to change the first table definition 
> > > from
> > > this:
> > >
> > > create table if not exists nnet_produkt_varegruppe ( 
> > > nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id int not null auto_increment, primary 
> > > key(nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id),
> > >       nnet_produkt_varegruppe_navn varchar(255) not null );
> > >
> > > To this:
> > >
> > > create table if not exists nnet_produkt_varegruppe ( 
> > > nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id int not null auto_increment, primary 
> > > key(nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id),
> > >       nnet_produkt_varegruppe_navn varchar(255) not null 
> > > )TYPE=INNODB;
> > >
> > > When you leave off the "TYPE" in your table definition, mySQL 
> > > assumes it
> > to
> > > be "TYPE=MYISAM", which doesn't support foreign keys.
> > >
> > > More on table types: http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Table_types.html
> > >
> > > Hope it helps :D
> > >
> > > - Nasir
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Phil Powell [mailto:soazine at erols.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 2:58 AM
> > > To: NYPHP Talk
> > > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] can't create foreign key constraints in 
> > > schema -HELP!
> > >
> > >
> > > You completely lost me. :(
> > >
> > > Phil
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > talk mailing list
> > > talk at lists.nyphp.org http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > talk at lists.nyphp.org http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > talk at lists.nyphp.org http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Wed Sep 10 05:54:05 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 05:54:05 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Excel Spreadsheet Pt II
In-Reply-To: <01c101c37762$11f93170$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <003701c37781$7996fa50$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

I tried to open it. Excel (I'm using the latest Office ver) says the
file is corrupted and can not be repaired. While the file does,
nonetheless, open up, there are some formulas that are not working. Not
sure if it is worth exporting if these calculations are missing.
 
Jeff Siegel

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Phil Powell
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 1:09 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Excel Spreadsheet Pt II


Ok guys I give up.  I can't do this one at all.  Could literally someone
do it for me?  The spreadsheet is at http://valsignalandet.com/fruit.xls
 
I have no ability to do this, OpenOffice won't install, and I have a job
interview tomorrow and leave for Tampa on Thursday for a final
interview.  Since the COM class only works for PHP in Windows, I can't
use that either, so I'm out of options altogether.
 
AUGH!
 
Phil

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From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Wed Sep 10 07:55:09 2003
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 07:55:09 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Excel Spreadsheet Pt II
References: <01c101c37762$11f93170$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <003701c37792$62bb04a0$6501a8c0@Notebook>

I concur on the file corruption.  On my system the spreadsheet won't even open, seems to think it is locked and won't even offer to open it read only.

Jim
______________________________________________________________
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Phone:  (201) 599-9380     Email: jim at bizcomputinginc.com
Web: www.bizcomputinginc.com 
Snail:  Jim Hendricks,  Biz Computing, Inc.,  255 McKinley Ave, New Milford, NJ 07646
______________________________________________________________

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Phil Powell 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 2:09 AM
  Subject: [nycphp-talk] Excel Spreadsheet Pt II


  Ok guys I give up.  I can't do this one at all.  Could literally someone do it for me?  The spreadsheet is at http://valsignalandet.com/fruit.xls

  I have no ability to do this, OpenOffice won't install, and I have a job interview tomorrow and leave for Tampa on Thursday for a final interview.  Since the COM class only works for PHP in Windows, I can't use that either, so I'm out of options altogether.

  AUGH!

  Phil


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From wkamm at att.com  Wed Sep 10 08:20:43 2003
From: wkamm at att.com (Kamm, William R (Bill), ALABS)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 07:20:43 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Excel Spreadsheet Pt II
Message-ID: <F0071A32A0E67843859B0AD55D653AB63CE87A@KCCLUST05EVS1.ugd.att.com>

I was able to open the file, but it is corrupted, and could not be
successfully repaired.  When I saved it as a csv file, I got a further
message that it may contain features (maybe macros?) that cannot be
saved into a csv file.  Anyway, if you want to see what it exported, it
is here:
 
http://216.74.101.242/nyphp/fruit.csv
 
Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Hendricks [mailto:jim at bizcomputinginc.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 7:55 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Excel Spreadsheet Pt II


I concur on the file corruption.  On my system the spreadsheet won't
even open, seems to think it is locked and won't even offer to open it
read only.
 
Jim
______________________________________________________________
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Phone:  (201) 599-9380     Email: jim at bizcomputinginc.com
Web: www.bizcomputinginc.com 
Snail:  Jim Hendricks,  Biz Computing, Inc.,  255 McKinley Ave, New
Milford, NJ 07646
______________________________________________________________


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Phil Powell <mailto:soazine at erols.com>  
To: NYPHP Talk <mailto:talk at lists.nyphp.org>  
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 2:09 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Excel Spreadsheet Pt II

Ok guys I give up.  I can't do this one at all.  Could literally someone
do it for me?  The spreadsheet is at http://valsignalandet.com/fruit.xls
 
I have no ability to do this, OpenOffice won't install, and I have a job
interview tomorrow and leave for Tampa on Thursday for a final
interview.  Since the COM class only works for PHP in Windows, I can't
use that either, so I'm out of options altogether.
 
AUGH!
 
Phil



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From tom at supertom.com  Wed Sep 10 08:40:38 2003
From: tom at supertom.com (tom at supertom.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 08:40:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Excel Parser
In-Reply-To: <E19wsBJ-0005qB-Je@rslrs1-server.com>
Message-ID: <LBEDJMJGLEPEKJAJMHBDOELHFNAA.tom@supertom.com>

I agree, CSV is the way to go.  If that is not an option, check out
phpclasses.org - there are some classes listed that do this, along with
other Excel-related things:

http://www.phpclasses.org/search.html?words=excel&go_search=1

Tom





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-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Brian Pang
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 7:46 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP Excel Parser


save it as a comma-separated text file and use phpMyAdmin to import it


> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>
>
> What would one best recommend to parse an existing Excel spreadsheet
(was done in Excel 97 or 2000 not sure to be honest)?  I am looking for
the most practical way of parsing an existing spreadsheet to place
contents into a mySQL db.
>
> Thanx, Phil
>



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From sailer at bnl.gov  Wed Sep 10 08:53:35 2003
From: sailer at bnl.gov (Tim Sailer)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 08:53:35 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Excel Parser
In-Reply-To: <092b01c37721$83efe8f0$67a76244@philofsoa>
References: <092b01c37721$83efe8f0$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <20030910125335.GB3169@bnl.gov>

On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 06:27:12PM -0400, Phil Powell wrote:
> What would one best recommend to parse an existing Excel spreadsheet
> (was done in Excel 97 or 2000 not sure to be honest)?  I am looking for
> the most practical way of parsing an existing spreadsheet to place
> contents into a mySQL db.

If you know a bit of perl, get the package to read xls files, and
just do a basic read and dump to csv, as other folks are talking about

Tim

-- 
Tim Sailer <sailer at bnl.gov> 
Information and Special Technologies Program
Office of CounterIntelligence 
Brookhaven National Laboratory  (631) 344-3001


From dmintz at panix.com  Wed Sep 10 09:29:00 2003
From: dmintz at panix.com (David Mintz)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:29:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Excel Parser
In-Reply-To: <E19wsBJ-0005qB-Je@rslrs1-server.com>
References: <E19wsBJ-0005qB-Je@rslrs1-server.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.56.0309100919040.26271@panix5.panix.com>


I know your subject line says PHP, but you could <gasp /> use Perl, DBI,
DBI::Excel and DBI::mysql. I can show you a sample if you're interested.
Sorry if this is too sacrilegious (-:

	--David

On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Brian Pang wrote:

> save it as a comma-separated text file and use phpMyAdmin to import it
>
>
> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> >
> >
> > What would one best recommend to parse an existing Excel spreadsheet
> (was done in Excel 97 or 2000 not sure to be honest)?  I am looking for
> the most practical way of parsing an existing spreadsheet to place
> contents into a mySQL db.
> >
> > Thanx, Phil


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From ejp at well.com  Wed Sep 10 09:33:21 2003
From: ejp at well.com (Edward Potter)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:33:21 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Need to house a MySQL site for PostNukeIMEDIATELY....
In-Reply-To: <OKEHLLMAFAOHECBMOGEPOEOMFAAA.nyphp@websapp.com>
Message-ID: <58B25BEA-E393-11D7-BB87-000393D9EBFA@well.com>

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hosting costs.

- ed



On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, at 01:03 PM, Daniel Kushner wrote:

> Using the promo code NYPLAT will get you a free month on the Platinum
> Package.
>
> --Daniel
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
>> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Donald J. Organ IV
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 12:54 PM
>> To: NYPHP Talk
>> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Need to house a MySQL site for
>> PostNukeIMEDIATELY....
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know if they offer discounts to NYPHP members if so
>> what is the
>> promotional code?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Daniel Kushner" <nyphp at websapp.com>
>> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 12:46 PM
>> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Need to house a MySQL site for Post
>> NukeIMEDIATELY....
>>
>>
>>> Hi Patrick,
>>>
>>> I can warmly recommend TheHostingCompany
> (http://thehostingcomany.us). Ran
>> by a few members of the NYPHP team :)
>>
>> Best,
>> Daniel Kushner
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Fee, Patrick J
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 12:40 PM
>>> To: 'NYPHP Talk'
>>> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Need to house a MySQL site for Post Nuke
>>> IMEDIATELY....
>>>
>>>
>>> Guys,
>>>
>>> I need some web space and a MySQL access to set up a post nuke site
> within
>>> the next 8 hours.  Anybody got any suggestions?
>>>
>>> To start with I'll simply link to the needed dynamic pages for the 
>>> next
>>> month or so.....  But it needs to be up by tonight.
>>>
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>>> Web & Database Group Manager
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>>> Patrick.Fee at BAESYSTEMS.com
>>> Tel: (202) 548-3759
>>> Fax: (202) 608-5970
>>>
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From brian at preston-campbell.com  Wed Sep 10 09:42:14 2003
From: brian at preston-campbell.com (Preston-Campbell)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:42:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Excel Parser
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.56.0309100919040.26271@panix5.panix.com>
References: <E19wsBJ-0005qB-Je@rslrs1-server.com>
	<Pine.NEB.4.56.0309100919040.26271@panix5.panix.com>
Message-ID: <200309100942.14087.brian@preston-campbell.com>

Why apologize?  Some things can simply be accomplished in Perl more easily 
than PHP, for those of us that have used both. -- Puts on flameproof overalls 
--  Not to say that I don't believe in the future of PHP,  but given the 
urgency of the situation, the fastest solution gets the job done.

On Wednesday 10 September 2003 09:29 am, David Mintz wrote:
> I know your subject line says PHP, but you could <gasp /> use Perl, DBI,
> DBI::Excel and DBI::mysql. I can show you a sample if you're interested.
> Sorry if this is too sacrilegious (-:
>
> 	--David
>
> On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Brian Pang wrote:
> > save it as a comma-separated text file and use phpMyAdmin to import it
> >
> > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> > >
> > >
> > > What would one best recommend to parse an existing Excel spreadsheet
> >
> > (was done in Excel 97 or 2000 not sure to be honest)?  I am looking for
> > the most practical way of parsing an existing spreadsheet to place
> > contents into a mySQL db.
> >
> > > Thanx, Phil
>
> ---
> David Mintz
> http://davidmintz.org/
> Email: See http://dmintzweb.com/whitelist.php first!
>
> "Y d?le p'abajo"
>
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From dmintz at panix.com  Wed Sep 10 10:40:47 2003
From: dmintz at panix.com (David Mintz)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:40:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Excel Parser
In-Reply-To: <200309100942.14087.brian@preston-campbell.com>
References: <E19wsBJ-0005qB-Je@rslrs1-server.com>
	<Pine.NEB.4.56.0309100919040.26271@panix5.panix.com>
	<200309100942.14087.brian@preston-campbell.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.56.0309101033000.26271@panix5.panix.com>

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Preston-Campbell wrote:

> Why apologize?

I put a smiley in there after "Sorry if this is too sacrilegious", didn't
I? Let's try again:


<?php echo "Use Perl! ", str_repeat("(-: ",10000); ?>


> Some things can simply be accomplished in Perl more easily
> than PHP, for those of us that have used both. -- Puts on flameproof overalls
> --  Not to say that I don't believe in the future of PHP,  but given the
> urgency of the situation, the fastest solution gets the job done.
>
> On Wednesday 10 September 2003 09:29 am, David Mintz wrote:
> > I know your subject line says PHP, but you could <gasp /> use Perl, DBI,
> > DBI::Excel and DBI::mysql. I can show you a sample if you're interested.
> > Sorry if this is too sacrilegious (-:

<snip />

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From bpang at bpang.com  Wed Sep 10 11:05:33 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:05:33 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Excel Spreadsheet Pt II
Message-ID: <E19x6XF-0002eZ-ID@rslrs1-server.com>

I couldn't open it at all using OpenOffice1.0.1 or Gnumeric

> do it for me?  The spreadsheet is at http://valsignalandet.com/fruit.xls

ok, ok, I'll fire up the windows machine... ugh.. do you know if this
file was created in Windows or Mac? I can try a mac, too, if necessary



From bpang at bpang.com  Wed Sep 10 11:17:31 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:17:31 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Excel Spreadsheet Pt II
Message-ID: <E19x6ip-0003p9-25@rslrs1-server.com>

Here ya go, Phil.

File was badly corrupted. So bad that Excel was unable to repair it, but
did manage to open it and produce the following...

http://38.117.145.89/fruit.csv


I'm not sure if that was the extent of the data or not.





From soazine at erols.com  Wed Sep 10 15:19:48 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:19:48 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Excel Parser
References: <LBEDJMJGLEPEKJAJMHBDOELHFNAA.tom@supertom.com>
Message-ID: <00bf01c377d0$817de400$67a76244@philofsoa>

Thanx all.. I wound up having Ian receiving the .xls file and he converted
it himself; I had and continue to have no capability to do so myself.

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <tom at supertom.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 8:40 AM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] PHP Excel Parser


> I agree, CSV is the way to go.  If that is not an option, check out
> phpclasses.org - there are some classes listed that do this, along with
> other Excel-related things:
>
> http://www.phpclasses.org/search.html?words=excel&go_search=1
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>
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> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Brian Pang
> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 7:46 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP Excel Parser
>
>
> save it as a comma-separated text file and use phpMyAdmin to import it
>
>
> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> >
> >
> > What would one best recommend to parse an existing Excel spreadsheet
> (was done in Excel 97 or 2000 not sure to be honest)?  I am looking for
> the most practical way of parsing an existing spreadsheet to place
> contents into a mySQL db.
> >
> > Thanx, Phil
> >
>
>
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From soazine at erols.com  Wed Sep 10 15:20:35 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:20:35 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Excel Parser
References: <E19wsBJ-0005qB-Je@rslrs1-server.com><Pine.NEB.4.56.0309100919040.26271@panix5.panix.com>
	<200309100942.14087.brian@preston-campbell.com>
Message-ID: <00cb01c377d0$9c7a4eb0$67a76244@philofsoa>

That would require that I use Perl, which I have not done so in several
years.  In short, I know ZERO Perl! :(

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Preston-Campbell" <brian at preston-campbell.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP Excel Parser


Why apologize?  Some things can simply be accomplished in Perl more easily
than PHP, for those of us that have used both. -- Puts on flameproof
overalls
--  Not to say that I don't believe in the future of PHP,  but given the
urgency of the situation, the fastest solution gets the job done.

On Wednesday 10 September 2003 09:29 am, David Mintz wrote:
> I know your subject line says PHP, but you could <gasp /> use Perl, DBI,
> DBI::Excel and DBI::mysql. I can show you a sample if you're interested.
> Sorry if this is too sacrilegious (-:
>
> --David
>
> On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Brian Pang wrote:
> > save it as a comma-separated text file and use phpMyAdmin to import it
> >
> > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> > >
> > >
> > > What would one best recommend to parse an existing Excel spreadsheet
> >
> > (was done in Excel 97 or 2000 not sure to be honest)?  I am looking for
> > the most practical way of parsing an existing spreadsheet to place
> > contents into a mySQL db.
> >
> > > Thanx, Phil
>
> ---
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> http://davidmintz.org/
> Email: See http://dmintzweb.com/whitelist.php first!
>
> "Y d?le p'abajo"
>
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From soazine at erols.com  Wed Sep 10 15:21:57 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:21:57 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fw: kontakt.php
Message-ID: <00da01c377d0$cd61d6b0$67a76244@philofsoa>

Ok, guys I'm having mail() problems with my form, can someone address this, I'm at a loss.  I'm attaching the code itself, it's quite small.

This is becoming routine, every single task I am tasked to do for this project I physically am unable to do. :(

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Ragnar 
To: Phil Powell (E-post) 
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:13 AM
Subject: kontakt.php


Phil
1.    When using the form everything looks wery nice, BUT when I recieve the mail it says sender is: nobody [nobody at dns1.itpays.no]
        And the information entered  in the form is missing except the comments in the comment field.
2.    In the registrer.php the same sender appear BUT there I get all information.

Sorry if I made a mess earlier with the code in kontakt.php this could mitgh be the reason, but afterall you fixed it nicely.

lookin in to it?

Takker s? mye = tackar s? mycket.



"Ut?lmodighet bidrar ofte til at vi svarer f?r du sp?r!"
("Our inpatience often contribute in our answers even before you ask!")

Med vennlig hilsen / Best regards
Ragnar Zaal
Daglig leder / Manager

*******************************************************
Apoco as
Ekebergveien 223C
N-1162 Oslo
Office: +47 69 89 96 93 Mobile: +47 920 60 240
            http://www.apoco.no
********************************************************
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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Wed Sep 10 15:34:55 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:34:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sneaking in unwanted characters
Message-ID: <006001c377d2$a41f7b70$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

My client doesn't want anyone who visits his website to enter an email
address like www.me at mydomain.com.
So, I have two checks to validate the email entered by the user. Each
check uses preg_match.

Here's the pattern used for the first match:
'/^[a-z0-9_.=+-]+@([a-z0-9-]+\.)+([a-z]{2,6})$/i',

Then the email goes through a second check: ( preg_match('/^www\./',
trim($_POST['email'])) ) 

Somehow someone managed to sneak through an email address with a www at
the beginning and I'm a bit puzzled as to how they managed to do it. Is
it possible that they entered some sort of non-printable character, like
a character with an ASCII value less than 33, which would foil the data
check? Or is it something obvious that I'm overlooking?

Jeff Siegel



From bpang at bpang.com  Wed Sep 10 15:39:14 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:39:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fw: kontakt.php
Message-ID: <E19xAo6-0002jo-Bb@rslrs1-server.com>

Phil,

Have you considered reading the online PHP manual for the functions you
are experiencing difficulty with?

This "problem" is quite easily solved in the first user comment on this
page:
http://us2.php.net/manual/en/ref.mail.php

Without looking at your code, I am going to tell you that you need to
set the message headers.

The online PHP manual is great. I have never read a PHP book and don't
think I'll ever need to (sorry to you PHP book authors out there) and I
have no formal programming education (I'm a natural, what can I say?)





> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> 
> 
> Ok, guys I'm having mail() problems with my form, can someone address
this, I'm at a loss.  I'm attaching the code itself, it's quite small.
> 
> This is becoming routine, every single task I am tasked to do for this
project I physically am unable to do. :(
> 
> Phil
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Ragnar 
> To: Phil Powell (E-post) 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:13 AM
> Subject: kontakt.php
> 
> 
> Phil
> 1.    When using the form everything looks wery nice, BUT when I
recieve the mail it says sender is: nobody [nobody at dns1.itpays.no]
>         And the information entered  in the form is missing except the
comments in the comment field.
> 2.    In the registrer.php the same sender appear BUT there I get all
information.
> 
> Sorry if I made a mess earlier with the code in kontakt.php this could
mitgh be the reason, but afterall you fixed it nicely.
> 
> lookin in to it?
> 
> Takker s? mye = tackar s? mycket.
> 
> 
> 
> "Ut?lmodighet bidrar ofte til at vi svarer f?r du sp?r!"
> ("Our inpatience often contribute in our answers even before you ask!")
> 
> Med vennlig hilsen / Best regards
> Ragnar Zaal
> Daglig leder / Manager
> 
> *******************************************************
> Apoco as
> Ekebergveien 223C
> N-1162 Oslo
> Office: +47 69 89 96 93 Mobile: +47 920 60 240
>             http://www.apoco.no
> ********************************************************
>   a.. This mail is scanned by Norton 2003
> 
> 





From bpang at bpang.com  Wed Sep 10 15:49:55 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:49:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sneaking in unwanted characters
Message-ID: <E19xAyR-0003jQ-99@rslrs1-server.com>

without asking why someone's email can't start with "www"... shouldn't
the www in the second check be in parenthesis?

 preg_match('/^(www\.)/', trim($_POST['email'])) ) 

maybe I'm wrong,, regular expressions get so confusing...

alternately, and probably slower, you could just check for a match in
the first 4 chars

if (substr(trim($_POST['email']), 0, 4) == "www.") 

very brute, but very clear :)



> My client doesn't want anyone who visits his website to enter an email
> address like www.me at mydomain.com.
> So, I have two checks to validate the email entered by the user. Each
> check uses preg_match.
> 
> Here's the pattern used for the first match:
> '/^[a-z0-9_.=+-]+@([a-z0-9-]+\.)+([a-z]{2,6})$/i',
> 
> Then the email goes through a second check: ( preg_match('/^www\./',
> trim($_POST['email'])) ) 
> 
> Somehow someone managed to sneak through an email address with a www at
> the beginning and I'm a bit puzzled as to how they managed to do it. Is
> it possible that they entered some sort of non-printable character, like
> a character with an ASCII value less than 33, which would foil the data
> check? Or is it something obvious that I'm overlooking?
> 
> Jeff Siegel
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> 





From sklar at sklar.com  Wed Sep 10 15:52:18 2003
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:52:18 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sneaking in unwanted characters
In-Reply-To: <006001c377d2$a41f7b70$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJOEMGGKAA.sklar@sklar.com>

What is the e-mail address they snuck through? You probably want to escape
the . in the character class before the @ in the first regex -- otherwise
you're matching ^.+@

Separately, why does your client want to do this? www.me at mydomain.com is a
perfectly valid e-mail address.

David

On Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:35 PM,  wrote:

> My client doesn't want anyone who visits his website to enter an email
> address like www.me at mydomain.com.
> So, I have two checks to validate the email entered by the user. Each
> check uses preg_match.
>
> Here's the pattern used for the first match:
> '/^[a-z0-9_.=+-]+@([a-z0-9-]+\.)+([a-z]{2,6})$/i',
>
> Then the email goes through a second check: ( preg_match('/^www\./',
> trim($_POST['email'])) )
>
> Somehow someone managed to sneak through an email address with a www
> at the beginning and I'm a bit puzzled as to how they managed to do
> it. Is it possible that they entered some sort of non-printable
> character, like a character with an ASCII value less than 33, which
> would foil the data check? Or is it something obvious that I'm
> overlooking?
>
> Jeff Siegel
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From sklar at sklar.com  Wed Sep 10 15:54:27 2003
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:54:27 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sneaking in unwanted characters
In-Reply-To: <E19xAyR-0003jQ-99@rslrs1-server.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJCEMIGKAA.sklar@sklar.com>

> without asking why someone's email can't start with "www"... shouldn't
> the www in the second check be in parenthesis?
>
>  preg_match('/^(www\.)/', trim($_POST['email'])) )
>
> maybe I'm wrong,, regular expressions get so confusing...

/^www\./ and /^(www\.)/ match identically. The only difference is that the
one with the parentheses captures the enclosed text for later use, if you
want it.

> alternately, and probably slower, you could just check for a match in
> the first 4 chars
>
> if (substr(trim($_POST['email']), 0, 4) == "www.")
>
> very brute, but very clear :)

Actually, this is faster. And better style, IMHO. If you are using a regex
with no metacharacters (like ^www\.), you should use the string functions
instead.

David



From suzerain at suzerain.com  Wed Sep 10 16:08:08 2003
From: suzerain at suzerain.com (Marc Antony Vose)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:08:08 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Need to house a MySQL site for PostNukeIMEDIATELY....
In-Reply-To: <58B25BEA-E393-11D7-BB87-000393D9EBFA@well.com>
References: <58B25BEA-E393-11D7-BB87-000393D9EBFA@well.com>
Message-ID: <a06001a16bb8534ed31c0@[192.168.1.44]>

>I'm 110% satisfied with dreamhost.com, also not for profits get 50% 
>off hosting costs.
>


just wanted to echo this.  dreamhost pretty much kicks ass. i've 
moved about 10 domains there.

highly recommended.

-- 
Marc Antony Vose
http://www.suzerain.com/

The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in 
higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently.
-- Nietzsche


From shiflett at php.net  Wed Sep 10 16:19:20 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:19:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sneaking in unwanted characters
In-Reply-To: <006001c377d2$a41f7b70$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <20030910201920.58150.qmail@web14302.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Jeff <jsiegel1 at optonline.net> wrote:
> My client doesn't want anyone who visits his website to enter an email
> address like www.me at mydomain.com.

Others have mentioned this, but that is a perfectly valid email address. Maybe
instead of spending time writing a regex to exclude some special case, you
should take the time to make sure your client understands what an email address
is. Is there a valid reason to exclude some email addresses and not others?
Why? Don't hesitate to question a client.

As a consultant, I would consider it my responsibility to do so.

Chris

=====
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From csnyder at chxo.com  Wed Sep 10 16:34:19 2003
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:34:19 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sneaking in unwanted characters
In-Reply-To: <E19xAyR-0003jQ-99@rslrs1-server.com>
References: <E19xAyR-0003jQ-99@rslrs1-server.com>
Message-ID: <3F5F8ACB.8030705@chxo.com>

As to forensics, are you sure the sneaker didn't put a space in front of 
their www address, like " www.sneaky at example.com"?
Just a thought.

>>Somehow someone managed to sneak through an email address with a www at
>>the beginning and I'm a bit puzzled as to how they managed to do it. 
>>




From tom at supertom.com  Wed Sep 10 16:32:16 2003
From: tom at supertom.com (tom at supertom.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:32:16 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sneaking in unwanted characters
In-Reply-To: <20030910201920.58150.qmail@web14302.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <LBEDJMJGLEPEKJAJMHBDKENMFNAA.tom@supertom.com>

Although it is true that it is "technically" a valid address, in reality, it
is an incorrect one.  I see this all the time, in data that I receive from
my clients, and even in printed material from companies.  And I can't tell
you how many times these addresses have bounced back (I too was once from
the school of "try it, may it REALLY IS their address").  Something needs to
be done to ensure that the customers type in valid email addresses, and this
is what this fellow's client came up with.  As we have all noticed, it is
not fool-proof.

Perhaps I would suggest a 2nd textbox to confirm that the user typed the
address in correctly, and perhaps even a confirmation link in an email to
that address, to prove a customer actually receives email at that address.
But, I suspect that this doesn't happen often enough to justify those
programming changes, so I would just go with removing the beginning 'www.'
as well.  Or, perhaps some other scrubbing mechanism somewhere else in the
chain (perhaps when the email addresses are exported, etc.).  The solution
has to fit the problem, and I would be very interested to see the "big
contract" that is sent from the address "www.someexecutive at bigcompany.com".

Good Luck!

Tom





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-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Chris Shiflett
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 4:19 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Sneaking in unwanted characters


--- Jeff <jsiegel1 at optonline.net> wrote:
> My client doesn't want anyone who visits his website to enter an email
> address like www.me at mydomain.com.

Others have mentioned this, but that is a perfectly valid email address.
Maybe
instead of spending time writing a regex to exclude some special case, you
should take the time to make sure your client understands what an email
address
is. Is there a valid reason to exclude some email addresses and not others?
Why? Don't hesitate to question a client.

As a consultant, I would consider it my responsibility to do so.

Chris

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From soazine at erols.com  Wed Sep 10 16:36:39 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:36:39 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fw: kontakt.php
References: <E19xAo6-0002jo-Bb@rslrs1-server.com>
Message-ID: <020601c377db$3d06b9e0$67a76244@philofsoa>

The online PHP manual did not help me with this one.. turns out it was
sending it twice, from $email and from nobody at itpays.no.  No offense to you
or to the PHP online manual, but sometimes nothing helps except a miracle.

Phil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Pang" <bpang at bpang.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Fw: kontakt.php


> Phil,
>
> Have you considered reading the online PHP manual for the functions you
> are experiencing difficulty with?
>
> This "problem" is quite easily solved in the first user comment on this
> page:
> http://us2.php.net/manual/en/ref.mail.php
>
> Without looking at your code, I am going to tell you that you need to
> set the message headers.
>
> The online PHP manual is great. I have never read a PHP book and don't
> think I'll ever need to (sorry to you PHP book authors out there) and I
> have no formal programming education (I'm a natural, what can I say?)
>
>
>
>
>
> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> >
> >
> > Ok, guys I'm having mail() problems with my form, can someone address
> this, I'm at a loss.  I'm attaching the code itself, it's quite small.
> >
> > This is becoming routine, every single task I am tasked to do for this
> project I physically am unable to do. :(
> >
> > Phil
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Ragnar
> > To: Phil Powell (E-post)
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:13 AM
> > Subject: kontakt.php
> >
> >
> > Phil
> > 1.    When using the form everything looks wery nice, BUT when I
> recieve the mail it says sender is: nobody [nobody at dns1.itpays.no]
> >         And the information entered  in the form is missing except the
> comments in the comment field.
> > 2.    In the registrer.php the same sender appear BUT there I get all
> information.
> >
> > Sorry if I made a mess earlier with the code in kontakt.php this could
> mitgh be the reason, but afterall you fixed it nicely.
> >
> > lookin in to it?
> >
> > Takker s? mye = tackar s? mycket.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Ut?lmodighet bidrar ofte til at vi svarer f?r du sp?r!"
> > ("Our inpatience often contribute in our answers even before you ask!")
> >
> > Med vennlig hilsen / Best regards
> > Ragnar Zaal
> > Daglig leder / Manager
> >
> > *******************************************************
> > Apoco as
> > Ekebergveien 223C
> > N-1162 Oslo
> > Office: +47 69 89 96 93 Mobile: +47 920 60 240
> >             http://www.apoco.no
> > ********************************************************
> >   a.. This mail is scanned by Norton 2003
> >
> >
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
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From bpang at bpang.com  Wed Sep 10 16:41:05 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:41:05 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sneaking in unwanted characters
Message-ID: <E19xBlx-0000Ig-GM@rslrs1-server.com>

he's using trim() so that should take care of the space

> As to forensics, are you sure the sneaker didn't put a space in front of 
> their www address, like " www.sneaky at example.com"?
> Just a thought.
> 
> >>Somehow someone managed to sneak through an email address with a www at
> >>the beginning and I'm a bit puzzled as to how they managed to do it. 
> >>
>


From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Wed Sep 10 16:44:15 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:44:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sneaking in unwanted characters
In-Reply-To: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJCEMIGKAA.sklar@sklar.com>
Message-ID: <006c01c377dc$4d532170$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

So...substr is the way to go...or at least try.

Jeff Siegel

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of David Sklar
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 2:54 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Sneaking in unwanted characters


> without asking why someone's email can't start with "www"... shouldn't
> the www in the second check be in parenthesis?
>
>  preg_match('/^(www\.)/', trim($_POST['email'])) )
>
> maybe I'm wrong,, regular expressions get so confusing...

/^www\./ and /^(www\.)/ match identically. The only difference is that
the
one with the parentheses captures the enclosed text for later use, if
you
want it.

> alternately, and probably slower, you could just check for a match in
> the first 4 chars
>
> if (substr(trim($_POST['email']), 0, 4) == "www.")
>
> very brute, but very clear :)

Actually, this is faster. And better style, IMHO. If you are using a
regex
with no metacharacters (like ^www\.), you should use the string
functions
instead.

David

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talk mailing list
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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Wed Sep 10 16:44:15 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:44:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sneaking in unwanted characters
In-Reply-To: <20030910201920.58150.qmail@web14302.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <006b01c377dc$4d021b40$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

I explained it but...the client pays the bills so...do as the client
says.

Jeff Siegel

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Chris Shiflett
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:19 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Sneaking in unwanted characters


--- Jeff <jsiegel1 at optonline.net> wrote:
> My client doesn't want anyone who visits his website to enter an email
> address like www.me at mydomain.com.

Others have mentioned this, but that is a perfectly valid email address.
Maybe
instead of spending time writing a regex to exclude some special case,
you
should take the time to make sure your client understands what an email
address
is. Is there a valid reason to exclude some email addresses and not
others?
Why? Don't hesitate to question a client.

As a consultant, I would consider it my responsibility to do so.

Chris

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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Wed Sep 10 16:44:15 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:44:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sneaking in unwanted characters
In-Reply-To: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJOEMGGKAA.sklar@sklar.com>
Message-ID: <006d01c377dc$4d6faa20$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

To answer the second question first, when an email comes through my
client's website it gets sent to a lot of people and the email address
goes into the body of the email. Outlook interprets me at mydomain.com as
an email address but if it says www.me at mydomain.com it treats it as a
URL. Hence the client request to eliminate addresses with "www." 

The email address they snuck through was www.RMujanovic at aol.com. 

I'll see if escaping the period (.) helps but...I still wonder how they
did it?

Jeff Siegel

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of David Sklar
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 2:52 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Sneaking in unwanted characters


What is the e-mail address they snuck through? You probably want to
escape
the . in the character class before the @ in the first regex --
otherwise
you're matching ^.+@

Separately, why does your client want to do this? www.me at mydomain.com is
a
perfectly valid e-mail address.

David

On Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:35 PM,  wrote:

> My client doesn't want anyone who visits his website to enter an email
> address like www.me at mydomain.com.
> So, I have two checks to validate the email entered by the user. Each
> check uses preg_match.
>
> Here's the pattern used for the first match:
> '/^[a-z0-9_.=+-]+@([a-z0-9-]+\.)+([a-z]{2,6})$/i',
>
> Then the email goes through a second check: ( preg_match('/^www\./',
> trim($_POST['email'])) )
>
> Somehow someone managed to sneak through an email address with a www
> at the beginning and I'm a bit puzzled as to how they managed to do
> it. Is it possible that they entered some sort of non-printable
> character, like a character with an ASCII value less than 33, which
> would foil the data check? Or is it something obvious that I'm
> overlooking?
>
> Jeff Siegel
>
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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Wed Sep 10 16:44:15 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:44:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sneaking in unwanted characters
In-Reply-To: <3F5F8ACB.8030705@chxo.com>
Message-ID: <006a01c377dc$4ca04c30$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Closed that hole a while ago with a trim statement.

Jeff Siegel

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Chris Snyder
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:34 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Sneaking in unwanted characters


As to forensics, are you sure the sneaker didn't put a space in front of

their www address, like " www.sneaky at example.com"?
Just a thought.

>>Somehow someone managed to sneak through an email address with a www
at
>>the beginning and I'm a bit puzzled as to how they managed to do it. 
>>


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From chendry at nyc.rr.com  Wed Sep 10 17:00:40 2003
From: chendry at nyc.rr.com (Christopher Hendry)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:00:40 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sneaking in unwanted characters
In-Reply-To: <006b01c377dc$4d021b40$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <JMEHLOIOFHBEJDCDJNLOIEPBEAAA.chendry@nyc.rr.com>

I gotta agree with Chris on this one - one of the reasons the client is
paying you is for your experience and expertise in the field.  Sometimes you
just gotta say no to a client, and hit them over the nose with a rolled-up
newspaper.

-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
-> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Jeff
-> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 4:44 PM
-> To: shiflett at php.net; 'NYPHP Talk'
-> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Sneaking in unwanted characters
->
->
-> I explained it but...the client pays the bills so...do as the client
-> says.
->
-> Jeff Siegel
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
-> On Behalf Of Chris Shiflett
-> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:19 PM
-> To: NYPHP Talk
-> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Sneaking in unwanted characters
->
->
-> --- Jeff <jsiegel1 at optonline.net> wrote:
-> > My client doesn't want anyone who visits his website to enter an email
-> > address like www.me at mydomain.com.
->
-> Others have mentioned this, but that is a perfectly valid email address.
-> Maybe
-> instead of spending time writing a regex to exclude some special case,
-> you
-> should take the time to make sure your client understands what an email
-> address
-> is. Is there a valid reason to exclude some email addresses and not
-> others?
-> Why? Don't hesitate to question a client.
->
-> As a consultant, I would consider it my responsibility to do so.
->
-> Chris
->
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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Wed Sep 10 17:23:55 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:23:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sneaking in unwanted characters
In-Reply-To: <JMEHLOIOFHBEJDCDJNLOIEPBEAAA.chendry@nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <007101c377e1$d764cbc0$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

I you want to do it...I'll give you his name and address. ;)  
I'm not wimping out here...sometimes...if you are going to go head to
head with a client you have to pick your battles.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Christopher Hendry
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 4:01 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Sneaking in unwanted characters


I gotta agree with Chris on this one - one of the reasons the client is
paying you is for your experience and expertise in the field.  Sometimes
you
just gotta say no to a client, and hit them over the nose with a
rolled-up
newspaper.

-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
-> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Jeff
-> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 4:44 PM
-> To: shiflett at php.net; 'NYPHP Talk'
-> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Sneaking in unwanted characters
->
->
-> I explained it but...the client pays the bills so...do as the client
-> says.
->
-> Jeff Siegel
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
-> On Behalf Of Chris Shiflett
-> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:19 PM
-> To: NYPHP Talk
-> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Sneaking in unwanted characters
->
->
-> --- Jeff <jsiegel1 at optonline.net> wrote:
-> > My client doesn't want anyone who visits his website to enter an
email
-> > address like www.me at mydomain.com.
->
-> Others have mentioned this, but that is a perfectly valid email
address.
-> Maybe
-> instead of spending time writing a regex to exclude some special
case,
-> you
-> should take the time to make sure your client understands what an
email
-> address
-> is. Is there a valid reason to exclude some email addresses and not
-> others?
-> Why? Don't hesitate to question a client.
->
-> As a consultant, I would consider it my responsibility to do so.
->
-> Chris
->
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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Wed Sep 10 17:23:55 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:23:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS Article on Virtual Hosting
Message-ID: <007201c377e1$d783c570$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

After posting a message concerning virtual hosting, I assembled the
different ideas/suggestions into a single article. Below is the link to
the draft version. Please comment and let me know if anything has been
overlooked or requires clarification.

http://cvs.nyphp.org/cvsweb.cgi/fundamentals/virtual_hosting.txt

Jeff Siegel



From nyphp at websapp.com  Wed Sep 10 17:30:30 2003
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:30:30 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS Article on Virtual Hosting
In-Reply-To: <007201c377e1$d783c570$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <OKEHLLMAFAOHECBMOGEPMEBLFBAA.nyphp@websapp.com>

My comments:

DocumentRoot of the Virtual Hosts don't need be under the main document root
(/var/www/html). They can be where ever you want (e.g.:
/home/daniel/www/project1)

My name is Daniel (not Dan) :)

--Daniel

> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Jeff
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:24 PM
> To: 'NYPHP Talk'
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS Article on Virtual Hosting
>
>
> After posting a message concerning virtual hosting, I assembled the
> different ideas/suggestions into a single article. Below is the link to
> the draft version. Please comment and let me know if anything has been
> overlooked or requires clarification.
>
> http://cvs.nyphp.org/cvsweb.cgi/fundamentals/virtual_hosting.txt
>
> Jeff Siegel
>
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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Wed Sep 10 17:43:23 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:43:23 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS Article on Virtual Hosting
In-Reply-To: <OKEHLLMAFAOHECBMOGEPMEBLFBAA.nyphp@websapp.com>
Message-ID: <007801c377e4$8f234cd0$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Dear Not Dan,

Good point!

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Daniel Kushner
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 4:31 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS Article on Virtual Hosting


My comments:

DocumentRoot of the Virtual Hosts don't need be under the main document
root
(/var/www/html). They can be where ever you want (e.g.:
/home/daniel/www/project1)

My name is Daniel (not Dan) :)

--Daniel

> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Jeff
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:24 PM
> To: 'NYPHP Talk'
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS Article on Virtual Hosting
>
>
> After posting a message concerning virtual hosting, I assembled the
> different ideas/suggestions into a single article. Below is the link
to
> the draft version. Please comment and let me know if anything has been
> overlooked or requires clarification.
>
> http://cvs.nyphp.org/cvsweb.cgi/fundamentals/virtual_hosting.txt
>
> Jeff Siegel
>
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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Wed Sep 10 18:11:39 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:11:39 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sneaking in unwanted characters
In-Reply-To: <LBEDJMJGLEPEKJAJMHBDKENMFNAA.tom@supertom.com>
Message-ID: <007c01c377e8$82336470$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Well...as noted in the "Validate Email" section of this page -
http://www.phphelp.com/start - 
"The most comprehensive regular expression currently available for
testing if an email address is valid was published in Mastering Regular
Expressions from O'Reilly Publishing. It appears on page 316 and weighs
in at more than six thousand characters...."

I'm sure there's a better way.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of tom at supertom.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:32 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Sneaking in unwanted characters


Although it is true that it is "technically" a valid address, in
reality, it
is an incorrect one.  I see this all the time, in data that I receive
from
my clients, and even in printed material from companies.  And I can't
tell
you how many times these addresses have bounced back (I too was once
from
the school of "try it, may it REALLY IS their address").  Something
needs to
be done to ensure that the customers type in valid email addresses, and
this
is what this fellow's client came up with.  As we have all noticed, it
is
not fool-proof.

Perhaps I would suggest a 2nd textbox to confirm that the user typed the
address in correctly, and perhaps even a confirmation link in an email
to
that address, to prove a customer actually receives email at that
address.
But, I suspect that this doesn't happen often enough to justify those
programming changes, so I would just go with removing the beginning
'www.'
as well.  Or, perhaps some other scrubbing mechanism somewhere else in
the
chain (perhaps when the email addresses are exported, etc.).  The
solution
has to fit the problem, and I would be very interested to see the "big
contract" that is sent from the address
"www.someexecutive at bigcompany.com".

Good Luck!

Tom





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-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Chris Shiflett
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 4:19 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Sneaking in unwanted characters


--- Jeff <jsiegel1 at optonline.net> wrote:
> My client doesn't want anyone who visits his website to enter an email
> address like www.me at mydomain.com.

Others have mentioned this, but that is a perfectly valid email address.
Maybe
instead of spending time writing a regex to exclude some special case,
you
should take the time to make sure your client understands what an email
address
is. Is there a valid reason to exclude some email addresses and not
others?
Why? Don't hesitate to question a client.

As a consultant, I would consider it my responsibility to do so.

Chris

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From rdumas at cmj.com  Wed Sep 10 18:21:10 2003
From: rdumas at cmj.com (Robert Dumas)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:21:10 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Simple parse/replace
Message-ID: <2ADC7BED20C3D711BFF100508B8FA3E307FBA8@webproxy.uat.dbinsight.com>

Hey all:

I have cobbled together a simple changelog system for the web folks here at
work, using php and some flat text files. The script simply concatenates the
fields, with \t characters in between each variable, into a file for that
particular server. The format looks roughly like this:

$timestamp\t$modby\t$files\t$notes\n
for example:
9/10/2003, 5:41 PM	Robert D.	changelog/add.php	Got basic
Changelog service up and running.
(Those are tabs between each field)

There's also a simple viewing page which (you guessed it) lets you view the
file.

What I want to do is output it in a nice table, with the tabs replaced with
table cells. How would I parse it as such? Bear in mind that the text files
must remain tab-delimited, so as not to boff up an analysis script, so I
can't output table data into the text file (nor would I want to, if I could;
that is far too kludgy).

Cheers
--RD

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From shiflett at php.net  Wed Sep 10 18:42:17 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:42:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sneaking in unwanted characters
In-Reply-To: <007c01c377e8$82336470$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <20030910224217.23439.qmail@web14301.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Jeff <jsiegel1 at optonline.net> wrote:
> "The most comprehensive regular expression currently available for
> testing if an email address is valid was published in Mastering Regular
> Expressions from O'Reilly Publishing. It appears on page 316 and weighs
> in at more than six thousand characters...."
> 
> I'm sure there's a better way.

Most of the RFCs either have example regular expressions or a very specific
grammar that can be used to build one. I've seen that one in the back of the
O'Reilly book, and my instinct tells me it shouldn't have to be that
complicated. :-)

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From csnyder at chxo.com  Wed Sep 10 19:00:35 2003
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:00:35 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS Article on Virtual Hosting
In-Reply-To: <OKEHLLMAFAOHECBMOGEPMEBLFBAA.nyphp@websapp.com>
References: <OKEHLLMAFAOHECBMOGEPMEBLFBAA.nyphp@websapp.com>
Message-ID: <3F5FAD13.8050600@chxo.com>

This could be one of those areas where I'm not entirely clear on Unix 
philosophy, but I think of /var as being for data of a more transient 
nature, and subject to overwrite on OS upgrade. Also, most distros don't 
give /var much space by default. I consider /home and /usr/local as 
safer places for long-term storage.

I generally put virtual host webroots in /home/domain/http for 
single-site domains, or /home/orgname/domain/http for organizations with 
multiple domains.

    csnyder

Daniel Kushner wrote:

>My comments:
>
>DocumentRoot of the Virtual Hosts don't need be under the main document root
>(/var/www/html). They can be where ever you want (e.g.:
>/home/daniel/www/project1)
>
>My name is Daniel (not Dan) :)
>
>--Daniel
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
>>[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Jeff
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:24 PM
>>To: 'NYPHP Talk'
>>Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS Article on Virtual Hosting
>>
>>
>>After posting a message concerning virtual hosting, I assembled the
>>different ideas/suggestions into a single article. Below is the link to
>>the draft version. Please comment and let me know if anything has been
>>overlooked or requires clarification.
>>
>>http://cvs.nyphp.org/cvsweb.cgi/fundamentals/virtual_hosting.txt
>>
>>Jeff Siegel
>>
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>>
>
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From soazine at erols.com  Wed Sep 10 19:00:27 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:00:27 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] can't populate db table with csv - I can't believe
	this!
Message-ID: <029801c377ef$53cf00b0$67a76244@philofsoa>

At the rate I'm going, please don't ask me to do <? phpinfo(); ?> I'll break that too!

Go to http://www.nordicnet.no/admin/alle_produkter.php and you can see the damage!

Otherwise, I'm going to have to send the code to you guys, along with the .csv file and maybe you can do what I cannot.   I might as well quit this project!

Phil
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From adam at trachtenberg.com  Wed Sep 10 19:26:46 2003
From: adam at trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:26:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sneaking in unwanted characters
In-Reply-To: <20030910224217.23439.qmail@web14301.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309101923060.16073-100000@miranda.org>

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Chris Shiflett wrote:

> Most of the RFCs either have example regular expressions or a very specific
> grammar that can be used to build one. I've seen that one in the back of the
> O'Reilly book, and my instinct tells me it shouldn't have to be that
> complicated. :-)

The full valid e-mail spec is really nasty, cause you can have
comments inside the address and other weird things. Here is the regex
from PHP Cookbook that allows most real-world addresses, but not
everything that's okay:

/
    ^               # anchor at the beginning
    [^@\s]+         # name is all characters except @ and whitespace
    @               # the @ divides name and domain
    (
        [-a-z0-9]+  # (sub)domains are letters, numbers, and hyphens
        \.          # separated by a period
    )+              # and we can have one or more of them
    (
        [a-z]{2}    # TLDs can be a two-letter alphabetical country
    code
        |com|net    # or one of 
        |edu|org    # many 
        |gov|mil    # possible
        |int|biz    # three-letter
        |pro        # combinations
        |info|arpa  # or even
        |aero|coop  # a few 
        |name       # four-letter ones
        |museum     # plus one that's six-letters long!
    )
    $               # anchor at the end
/ix                 # and everything is case-insensitive


Alternatively, check out imap_rfc822_parse_adrlist().

-adam

-- 
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author of o'reilly's php cookbook
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From adam at trachtenberg.com  Wed Sep 10 19:34:38 2003
From: adam at trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:34:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Simple parse/replace
In-Reply-To: <2ADC7BED20C3D711BFF100508B8FA3E307FBA8@webproxy.uat.dbinsight.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309101932530.16073-100000@miranda.org>

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Robert Dumas wrote:

> What I want to do is output it in a nice table, with the tabs replaced with
> table cells. How would I parse it as such? Bear in mind that the text files
> must remain tab-delimited, so as not to boff up an analysis script, so I
> can't output table data into the text file (nor would I want to, if I could;
> that is far too kludgy).

This should be enough to get you started:

$fp = fopen('foo.tab', 'r');
print "<table>\n";
while ($line = fgetcsv($fp, 1000, "\t")) {
  print "  <tr>\n    <td>";
  print join("</td>\n    <td>", $line);
  print "</td>\n  </tr>\n";
}
print "</table>\n";
fclose($fp);

-adam

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adam at trachtenberg.com
author of o'reilly's php cookbook
avoid the holiday rush, buy your copy today!



From hans at nyphp.org  Wed Sep 10 20:22:21 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:22:21 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] can't populate db table with csv - I can't believe
	this!
In-Reply-To: <029801c377ef$53cf00b0$67a76244@philofsoa>
References: <029801c377ef$53cf00b0$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <3F5FC03D.4020707@nyphp.org>


Phil,

> Go to http://www.nordicnet.no/admin/alle_produkter.php and you can see 
> the damage!

You need to learn some basics of working with SQL.  In MySQL, Oracle, PostgreSQL, and just about everything else, values should always be enclosed in single quotes [1].

With the SQL you show above, none of the values are enclosed in single quotes, and since one of the values contains a single quote itself, it gives an error.  You'll also need to use mysql_escape_string() for every value you create a SQL statement from; this escapes special chars that SQL will interpret as having meaning.  See http://php.net/mysql_escape_string

> Otherwise, I'm going to have to send the code to you guys, along with 
> the .csv file and maybe you can do what I cannot.   I might as well quit 
> this project!

I think you might have to move to a pay-per-incident support plan  :)

But this is a simple problem to resolve; you should have no problem with it.

H

[1] For the purposes of this discussion




From hans at nyphp.org  Wed Sep 10 20:33:10 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:33:10 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sneaking in unwanted characters
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309101923060.16073-100000@miranda.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309101923060.16073-100000@miranda.org>
Message-ID: <3F5FC2C6.5030503@nyphp.org>



Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg wrote:

> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Chris Shiflett wrote:
> 
> 
>>Most of the RFCs either have example regular expressions or a very specific
>>grammar that can be used to build one. I've seen that one in the back of the
>>O'Reilly book, and my instinct tells me it shouldn't have to be that
>>complicated. :-)
> 
> 
> The full valid e-mail spec is really nasty, cause you can have
> comments inside the address and other weird things. Here is the regex
> from PHP Cookbook that allows most real-world addresses, but not
> everything that's okay:

Yes; with RFC2822 they really managed to add a lot of unneeded complexity.  Ahhh, acadamentia.

http://cvs.nyphp.org/cvsweb.cgi/pmail/pmail.inc?rev=1.5&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup

Some functions in there may help as well.

H

> 
> /
>     ^               # anchor at the beginning
>     [^@\s]+         # name is all characters except @ and whitespace
>     @               # the @ divides name and domain
>     (
>         [-a-z0-9]+  # (sub)domains are letters, numbers, and hyphens
>         \.          # separated by a period
>     )+              # and we can have one or more of them
>     (
>         [a-z]{2}    # TLDs can be a two-letter alphabetical country
>     code
>         |com|net    # or one of 
>         |edu|org    # many 
>         |gov|mil    # possible
>         |int|biz    # three-letter
>         |pro        # combinations
>         |info|arpa  # or even
>         |aero|coop  # a few 
>         |name       # four-letter ones
>         |museum     # plus one that's six-letters long!
>     )
>     $               # anchor at the end
> /ix                 # and everything is case-insensitive
> 
> 
> Alternatively, check out imap_rfc822_parse_adrlist().
> 
> -adam
> 



From soazine at erols.com  Wed Sep 10 22:22:56 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:22:56 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] can't populate db table with csv - I can't
	believethis!
References: <029801c377ef$53cf00b0$67a76244@philofsoa>
	<3F5FC03D.4020707@nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <02ca01c3780b$9d0e9da0$67a76244@philofsoa>

Um, I don't understand.  Every single thing should be encased in '' and is
escaped with mysql_escape_string().  I know the basics of SQL too.  I just
can't do this bit of code!

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hans Zaunere" <hans at nyphp.org>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] can't populate db table with csv - I can't
believethis!


>
> Phil,
>
> > Go to http://www.nordicnet.no/admin/alle_produkter.php and you can see
> > the damage!
>
> You need to learn some basics of working with SQL.  In MySQL, Oracle,
PostgreSQL, and just about everything else, values should always be enclosed
in single quotes [1].
>
> With the SQL you show above, none of the values are enclosed in single
quotes, and since one of the values contains a single quote itself, it gives
an error.  You'll also need to use mysql_escape_string() for every value you
create a SQL statement from; this escapes special chars that SQL will
interpret as having meaning.  See http://php.net/mysql_escape_string
>
> > Otherwise, I'm going to have to send the code to you guys, along with
> > the .csv file and maybe you can do what I cannot.   I might as well quit
> > this project!
>
> I think you might have to move to a pay-per-incident support plan  :)
>
> But this is a simple problem to resolve; you should have no problem with
it.
>
> H
>
> [1] For the purposes of this discussion
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From bpang at bpang.com  Wed Sep 10 22:32:17 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:32:17 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] can't populate db table with csv - I
	can't	believethis!
Message-ID: <E19xHFp-00032f-Fl@rslrs1-server.com>

yes, everything

if the string being enclosed in single quotes contains an apostrophe, or
other instance of a single quote, it will need to be escaped like \'

I think that Hans is recommending using mysql_escape_string() to ensure
that everything is escaped that might need it (like double quotes).


HOWEVER

if your php script is attempting to insert any variables, you will need
to use double quotes in place of the single quote as the encapsulator.

PHP doesn't parse within the single quote.

You would still want to use mysql_escape_string()


I always use double quotes even though it means that values are being
parsed for no reason. It's just easier for me that way and I haven't
(been fortunate enough to have) had a problem with it creating excessive
load, yet.





> Um, I don't understand.  Every single thing should be encased in '' and is
> escaped with mysql_escape_string().  I know the basics of SQL too.  I just
> can't do this bit of code!
> 
> Phil
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Hans Zaunere" <hans at nyphp.org>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 8:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] can't populate db table with csv - I can't
> believethis!
> 
> 
> >
> > Phil,
> >
> > > Go to http://www.nordicnet.no/admin/alle_produkter.php and you can see
> > > the damage!
> >
> > You need to learn some basics of working with SQL.  In MySQL, Oracle,
> PostgreSQL, and just about everything else, values should always be
enclosed
> in single quotes [1].
> >
> > With the SQL you show above, none of the values are enclosed in single
> quotes, and since one of the values contains a single quote itself, it
gives
> an error.  You'll also need to use mysql_escape_string() for every
value you
> create a SQL statement from; this escapes special chars that SQL will
> interpret as having meaning.  See http://php.net/mysql_escape_string
> >
> > > Otherwise, I'm going to have to send the code to you guys, along with
> > > the .csv file and maybe you can do what I cannot.   I might as
well quit
> > > this project!
> >
> > I think you might have to move to a pay-per-incident support plan  :)
> >
> > But this is a simple problem to resolve; you should have no problem with
> it.
> >
> > H
> >
> > [1] For the purposes of this discussion
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> 





From soazine at erols.com  Wed Sep 10 22:35:36 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:35:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] can't populate db table with csv -
	Ican't	believethis!
References: <E19xHFp-00032f-Fl@rslrs1-server.com>
Message-ID: <031c01c3780d$61b3b0e0$67a76244@philofsoa>

Um, guys I &*AM* using double quotes AND single quotes AND
mysql_escape_string().. see for yourself:

$rowNumber = 1; $sql = ''; $startSQL = '';
  $varcharArray = array('varenr', 'navn', 'farge_code');

  while ($row = fgetcsv($fileID, 100000, ',')) {
   if ($rowNumber == 1) {
    $startSQL .= 'INSERT INTO nnet_produkt(';
    for ($i = 0; $i < sizeof($row); $i++)
     $startSQL .= 'nnet_produkt_' . $row[$i] . ', ';
    $startSQL = trim($startSQL, ', ') . ') VALUES (';
   }
   if ($rowNumber > 1) {
    for ($i = 0; $i < sizeof($row); $i++) {
     print_r("row number $rowNumber: " . $row[$i] . "\n<P>");
     if (!in_array($row[$i], $varcharArray) && strlen($row[$i]) > 0) {
      $sql .= $row[$i] . ', ';
     } elseif (strlen($row[$i]) > 0) {
      $sql .= "'" . mysql_escape_string(htmlspecialchars($row[$i])) . "', ";
     } elseif (!in_array($row[$i], $varcharArray)) {
      $sql .= 0 . ', ';
     } else {
      $sql .= "'', ";
     }
    }
    $sql = $startSQL . trim($sql) . ')';
   }
   if ($rowNumber > 1) {
    print_r($sql . "\n<P>");
    if (!mysql_query($sql)) die('Could not perform insert: ' . $sql . ' ' .
mysql_error());
    $sql = '';
   }
   $rowNumber++;
  }

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Pang" <bpang at bpang.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] can't populate db table with csv - Ican't
believethis!


> yes, everything
>
> if the string being enclosed in single quotes contains an apostrophe, or
> other instance of a single quote, it will need to be escaped like \'
>
> I think that Hans is recommending using mysql_escape_string() to ensure
> that everything is escaped that might need it (like double quotes).
>
>
> HOWEVER
>
> if your php script is attempting to insert any variables, you will need
> to use double quotes in place of the single quote as the encapsulator.
>
> PHP doesn't parse within the single quote.
>
> You would still want to use mysql_escape_string()
>
>
> I always use double quotes even though it means that values are being
> parsed for no reason. It's just easier for me that way and I haven't
> (been fortunate enough to have) had a problem with it creating excessive
> load, yet.
>
>
>
>
>
> > Um, I don't understand.  Every single thing should be encased in '' and
is
> > escaped with mysql_escape_string().  I know the basics of SQL too.  I
just
> > can't do this bit of code!
> >
> > Phil
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Hans Zaunere" <hans at nyphp.org>
> > To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 8:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] can't populate db table with csv - I can't
> > believethis!
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Phil,
> > >
> > > > Go to http://www.nordicnet.no/admin/alle_produkter.php and you can
see
> > > > the damage!
> > >
> > > You need to learn some basics of working with SQL.  In MySQL, Oracle,
> > PostgreSQL, and just about everything else, values should always be
> enclosed
> > in single quotes [1].
> > >
> > > With the SQL you show above, none of the values are enclosed in single
> > quotes, and since one of the values contains a single quote itself, it
> gives
> > an error.  You'll also need to use mysql_escape_string() for every
> value you
> > create a SQL statement from; this escapes special chars that SQL will
> > interpret as having meaning.  See http://php.net/mysql_escape_string
> > >
> > > > Otherwise, I'm going to have to send the code to you guys, along
with
> > > > the .csv file and maybe you can do what I cannot.   I might as
> well quit
> > > > this project!
> > >
> > > I think you might have to move to a pay-per-incident support plan  :)
> > >
> > > But this is a simple problem to resolve; you should have no problem
with
> > it.
> > >
> > > H
> > >
> > > [1] For the purposes of this discussion
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > talk mailing list
> > > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> >
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Thu Sep 11 00:07:25 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 00:07:25 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sneaking in unwanted characters
In-Reply-To: <20030910224217.23439.qmail@web14301.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000301c3781a$37776440$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Agreed...six thousand characters to check an email address seems
excessive.

Jeff Siegel

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Chris Shiflett
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:42 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Sneaking in unwanted characters


--- Jeff <jsiegel1 at optonline.net> wrote:
> "The most comprehensive regular expression currently available for
> testing if an email address is valid was published in Mastering
Regular
> Expressions from O'Reilly Publishing. It appears on page 316 and
weighs
> in at more than six thousand characters...."
> 
> I'm sure there's a better way.

Most of the RFCs either have example regular expressions or a very
specific
grammar that can be used to build one. I've seen that one in the back of
the
O'Reilly book, and my instinct tells me it shouldn't have to be that
complicated. :-)

Chris

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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Thu Sep 11 00:07:25 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 00:07:25 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS Article on Virtual Hosting
In-Reply-To: <3F5FAD13.8050600@chxo.com>
Message-ID: <000501c3781a$38e8f5a0$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

The directory /var/www/html as the Apache document root seems to be the
default location when installing Red Hat. Found this on Google:

http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.1-Manual/ref-guide/s1-ins
tallation-upgradingapache.html

"In the version of Apache included in Red Hat Linux 7.1, the
DocumentRoot is /var/www/html. "

I recently installed Red Hat 9 and this is still the default
DocumentRoot directory. Sure...you could make DocumentRoot just about
any directory you want as long as you change the httpd.conf file.


Jeff Siegel

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Chris Snyder
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:01 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS Article on Virtual Hosting


This could be one of those areas where I'm not entirely clear on Unix 
philosophy, but I think of /var as being for data of a more transient 
nature, and subject to overwrite on OS upgrade. Also, most distros don't

give /var much space by default. I consider /home and /usr/local as 
safer places for long-term storage.

I generally put virtual host webroots in /home/domain/http for 
single-site domains, or /home/orgname/domain/http for organizations with

multiple domains.

    csnyder

Daniel Kushner wrote:

>My comments:
>
>DocumentRoot of the Virtual Hosts don't need be under the main document
root
>(/var/www/html). They can be where ever you want (e.g.:
>/home/daniel/www/project1)
>
>My name is Daniel (not Dan) :)
>
>--Daniel
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
>>[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Jeff
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:24 PM
>>To: 'NYPHP Talk'
>>Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS Article on Virtual Hosting
>>
>>
>>After posting a message concerning virtual hosting, I assembled the
>>different ideas/suggestions into a single article. Below is the link
to
>>the draft version. Please comment and let me know if anything has been
>>overlooked or requires clarification.
>>
>>http://cvs.nyphp.org/cvsweb.cgi/fundamentals/virtual_hosting.txt
>>
>>Jeff Siegel
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>talk mailing list
>>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>    
>>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>  
>

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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Thu Sep 11 01:26:26 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 01:26:26 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sneaking in unwanted characters
In-Reply-To: <006001c377d2$a41f7b70$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
References: <006001c377d2$a41f7b70$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <20030911052626.GA25015@panix.com>

On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 03:34:55PM -0400, Jeff wrote:
> 
> Somehow someone managed to sneak through an email address with a www at
> the beginning and I'm a bit puzzled as to how they managed to do it.

You posted the actual address later on in the thread.  What happens if you 
put in that email address yourself?  Does it get through?

If so, then there's definitely a flaw in the code.  Perhaps the variable 
being checked isn't the same as the one that gets used.

If not, maybe there's some other older version of the scripts laying 
around that the person in question used.

--Dan

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From lists at ny-tech.net  Thu Sep 11 01:28:29 2003
From: lists at ny-tech.net (Nasir Zubair)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 01:28:29 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS Article on Virtual Hosting
In-Reply-To: <000501c3781a$38e8f5a0$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <000201c37825$89dea9e0$6401a8c0@main>

Not sure about Ensim or anything else, but servers running Cpanel/WHM
control panels usually have /home/USERNAME as the document root for a user.
I'm pretty sure that quite a lot of virtual hosting providers use a separate
drive/partition for user data, such as /home.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff [mailto:jsiegel1 at optonline.net] 
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 12:07 AM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS Article on Virtual Hosting


The directory /var/www/html as the Apache document root seems to be the
default location when installing Red Hat. Found this on Google:

http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.1-Manual/ref-guide/s1-ins
tallation-upgradingapache.html

"In the version of Apache included in Red Hat Linux 7.1, the DocumentRoot is
/var/www/html. "

I recently installed Red Hat 9 and this is still the default DocumentRoot
directory. Sure...you could make DocumentRoot just about any directory you
want as long as you change the httpd.conf file.


Jeff Siegel

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Chris Snyder
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:01 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS Article on Virtual Hosting


This could be one of those areas where I'm not entirely clear on Unix 
philosophy, but I think of /var as being for data of a more transient 
nature, and subject to overwrite on OS upgrade. Also, most distros don't

give /var much space by default. I consider /home and /usr/local as 
safer places for long-term storage.

I generally put virtual host webroots in /home/domain/http for 
single-site domains, or /home/orgname/domain/http for organizations with

multiple domains.

    csnyder

Daniel Kushner wrote:

>My comments:
>
>DocumentRoot of the Virtual Hosts don't need be under the main document
root
>(/var/www/html). They can be where ever you want (e.g.:
>/home/daniel/www/project1)
>
>My name is Daniel (not Dan) :)
>
>--Daniel
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org 
>>[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Jeff
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:24 PM
>>To: 'NYPHP Talk'
>>Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS Article on Virtual Hosting
>>
>>
>>After posting a message concerning virtual hosting, I assembled the 
>>different ideas/suggestions into a single article. Below is the link
to
>>the draft version. Please comment and let me know if anything has been 
>>overlooked or requires clarification.
>>
>>http://cvs.nyphp.org/cvsweb.cgi/fundamentals/virtual_hosting.txt
>>
>>Jeff Siegel
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>talk mailing list
>>talk at lists.nyphp.org http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>    
>>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
>talk at lists.nyphp.org http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>  
>

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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Thu Sep 11 07:02:10 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 07:02:10 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS Article on Virtual Hosting
In-Reply-To: <000201c37825$89dea9e0$6401a8c0@main>
Message-ID: <000701c37854$26145ac0$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

That's my experience too...but as pointed out in the article (and
perhaps it needs to be made clearer) the actual path could be whatever
works for you.

Jeff Siegel 

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Nasir Zubair
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 12:28 AM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS Article on Virtual Hosting


Not sure about Ensim or anything else, but servers running Cpanel/WHM
control panels usually have /home/USERNAME as the document root for a
user.
I'm pretty sure that quite a lot of virtual hosting providers use a
separate
drive/partition for user data, such as /home.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff [mailto:jsiegel1 at optonline.net] 
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 12:07 AM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS Article on Virtual Hosting


The directory /var/www/html as the Apache document root seems to be the
default location when installing Red Hat. Found this on Google:

http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.1-Manual/ref-guide/s1-ins
tallation-upgradingapache.html

"In the version of Apache included in Red Hat Linux 7.1, the
DocumentRoot is
/var/www/html. "

I recently installed Red Hat 9 and this is still the default
DocumentRoot
directory. Sure...you could make DocumentRoot just about any directory
you
want as long as you change the httpd.conf file.


Jeff Siegel

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Chris Snyder
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:01 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS Article on Virtual Hosting


This could be one of those areas where I'm not entirely clear on Unix 
philosophy, but I think of /var as being for data of a more transient 
nature, and subject to overwrite on OS upgrade. Also, most distros don't

give /var much space by default. I consider /home and /usr/local as 
safer places for long-term storage.

I generally put virtual host webroots in /home/domain/http for 
single-site domains, or /home/orgname/domain/http for organizations with

multiple domains.

    csnyder

Daniel Kushner wrote:

>My comments:
>
>DocumentRoot of the Virtual Hosts don't need be under the main document
root
>(/var/www/html). They can be where ever you want (e.g.:
>/home/daniel/www/project1)
>
>My name is Daniel (not Dan) :)
>
>--Daniel
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
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>>[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Jeff
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:24 PM
>>To: 'NYPHP Talk'
>>Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS Article on Virtual Hosting
>>
>>
>>After posting a message concerning virtual hosting, I assembled the 
>>different ideas/suggestions into a single article. Below is the link
to
>>the draft version. Please comment and let me know if anything has been

>>overlooked or requires clarification.
>>
>>http://cvs.nyphp.org/cvsweb.cgi/fundamentals/virtual_hosting.txt
>>
>>Jeff Siegel
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From evan.heller at alum.rpi.edu  Thu Sep 11 17:14:39 2003
From: evan.heller at alum.rpi.edu (Evan Heller)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:14:39 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] windows help OT
Message-ID: <001f01c378a9$b7174eb0$6501a8c0@palacenew>

Ok, somehow my windows machine was compromised and started to send out a dos
attack against an irc server (so i was told). I do keep up with the patches
and I run windows 2000 server. I do not run IIS. I also run norton antivuris
corporate and have come up with nothing. I could not find anything with a
trojan horse cleaner nor could I detect if I was compromised.

Does anyone have any way of determining if I was compromised? Any utilities
I could use to check this out without the hassle of a rebuild of the entire
machine. I would like to avoid rebuilding but what other choice do I have if
I cannot determine the cause of the intrusion and the extend of the damage.
(as of now I can see no damage).

-Evan



From markert at optonline.net  Thu Sep 11 20:52:13 2003
From: markert at optonline.net (John W. Markert)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 20:52:13 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sessions help
Message-ID: <00a501c378c8$1b3cfd40$0300a8c0@dads>

When I execute the following code: 

-------------- 

<?php
$retStat = session_start();
echo "retStat is: $retStat";
?> 

-------------- 

I get the following error: 

-------------------------------- 


Warning: session_start() [function.session-start]: open(/tmp\sess_216759f1842cd310eb16bf6de9c5ad60, O_RDWR) failed: No such file or directory (2) in c:\program files\apache group\apache\htdocs\test\session1.php on line 2

Warning: session_start() [function.session-start]: Cannot send session cookie - headers already sent by (output started at c:\program files\apache group\apache\htdocs\test\session1.php:2) in c:\program files\apache group\apache\htdocs\test\session1.php on line 2

Warning: session_start() [function.session-start]: Cannot send session cache limiter - headers already sent (output started at c:\program files\apache group\apache\htdocs\test\session1.php:2) in c:\program files\apache group\apache\htdocs\test\session1.php on line 2
retStat is: 1
Warning: Unknown(): open(/tmp\sess_216759f1842cd310eb16bf6de9c5ad60, O_RDWR) failed: No such file or directory (2) in Unknown on line 0

Warning: Unknown(): Failed to write session data (files). Please verify that the current setting of session.save_path is correct (/tmp) in Unknown on line 0
---------------------------- 

Do I interpret this as I am missing a /tmp directory? If so, what is that a subdirectory of? 

Thanks, 

John 

___________________________________________

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14 Joanna Way
Kinnelon, NJ 07405
Phone: (973)838-8956
Cell: (201)788-1740
Fax: (973)838-4561 
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From bpang at bpang.com  Thu Sep 11 21:43:21 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 21:43:21 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sessions help
Message-ID: <E19xcy1-0000b6-8T@rslrs1-server.com>

even tho the errors are reporting an error with line 2, which would be
the $retStat = session_start(); line, make sure that there is NOTHING
above the opening <?php tag
no line, breaks, no spaces, nada, zip

I've never actually tried tying session_start() to a var. I usually just
stick it in there...

otherwise, it looks to me like php is trying to find the /tmp dir, which
is typical Un*x/linux, but the other file paths appear to be windows
file structure.

/tmp would be at the root of the filesystem, not a subdir of anything.

Is this a new server? Perhaps the configuration was wrong at install?
I think you can change the path to the tmp dir that sessions are stored
in via the php.ini file, but I'd have to look it up to be certain.




> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> 
> 
> When I execute the following code: 
> 
> -------------- 
> 
> <?php
> $retStat = session_start();
> echo "retStat is: $retStat";
> ?> 
> 
> -------------- 
> 
> I get the following error: 
> 
> -------------------------------- 
> 
> 
> Warning: session_start() [function.session-start]:
open(/tmp\sess_216759f1842cd310eb16bf6de9c5ad60, O_RDWR) failed: No such
file or directory (2) in c:\program files\apache
group\apache\htdocs\test\session1.php on line 2
> 
> Warning: session_start() [function.session-start]: Cannot send session
cookie - headers already sent by (output started at c:\program
files\apache group\apache\htdocs\test\session1.php:2) in c:\program
files\apache group\apache\htdocs\test\session1.php on line 2
> 
> Warning: session_start() [function.session-start]: Cannot send session
cache limiter - headers already sent (output started at c:\program
files\apache group\apache\htdocs\test\session1.php:2) in c:\program
files\apache group\apache\htdocs\test\session1.php on line 2
> retStat is: 1
> Warning: Unknown(): open(/tmp\sess_216759f1842cd310eb16bf6de9c5ad60,
O_RDWR) failed: No such file or directory (2) in Unknown on line 0
> 
> Warning: Unknown(): Failed to write session data (files). Please
verify that the current setting of session.save_path is correct (/tmp)
in Unknown on line 0
> ---------------------------- 
> 
> Do I interpret this as I am missing a /tmp directory? If so, what is
that a subdirectory of? 
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> John 
> 
> ___________________________________________
> 
> John W. Markert
> 14 Joanna Way
> Kinnelon, NJ 07405
> Phone: (973)838-8956
> Cell: (201)788-1740
> Fax: (973)838-4561 
> email: markert at optonline.net
> 
> 





From chendry at nyc.rr.com  Thu Sep 11 21:45:34 2003
From: chendry at nyc.rr.com (Christopher Hendry)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 21:45:34 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sessions help
In-Reply-To: <00a501c378c8$1b3cfd40$0300a8c0@dads>
Message-ID: <JMEHLOIOFHBEJDCDJNLOAEDNEBAA.chendry@nyc.rr.com>

sounds like you're on the right track, perhaps if you set your
session.save_path in php.ini to an actual directory on your C drive, that'll
fix things up...ie, session.save_path="c:/tmp" (making sure c:/tmp exists,
of course)

C
  -----Original Message-----
  From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On
Behalf Of John W. Markert
  Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 8:52 PM
  To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
  Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sessions help


  When I execute the following code:

  --------------

  <?php
  $retStat = session_start();
  echo "retStat is: $retStat";
  ?>

  --------------

  I get the following error:

  --------------------------------


  Warning: session_start() [function.session-start]:
open(/tmp\sess_216759f1842cd310eb16bf6de9c5ad60, O_RDWR) failed: No such
file or directory (2) in c:\program files\apache
group\apache\htdocs\test\session1.php on line 2

  Warning: session_start() [function.session-start]: Cannot send session
cookie - headers already sent by (output started at c:\program files\apache
group\apache\htdocs\test\session1.php:2) in c:\program files\apache
group\apache\htdocs\test\session1.php on line 2

  Warning: session_start() [function.session-start]: Cannot send session
cache limiter - headers already sent (output started at c:\program
files\apache group\apache\htdocs\test\session1.php:2) in c:\program
files\apache group\apache\htdocs\test\session1.php on line 2
  retStat is: 1
  Warning: Unknown(): open(/tmp\sess_216759f1842cd310eb16bf6de9c5ad60,
O_RDWR) failed: No such file or directory (2) in Unknown on line 0

  Warning: Unknown(): Failed to write session data (files). Please verify
that the current setting of session.save_path is correct (/tmp) in Unknown
on line 0
  ----------------------------

  Do I interpret this as I am missing a /tmp directory? If so, what is that
a subdirectory of?

  Thanks,

  John

  ___________________________________________

  John W. Markert
  14 Joanna Way
  Kinnelon, NJ 07405
  Phone: (973)838-8956
  Cell: (201)788-1740
  Fax: (973)838-4561
  email: markert at optonline.net
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From markert at optonline.net  Thu Sep 11 21:59:17 2003
From: markert at optonline.net (John W. Markert)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 21:59:17 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sessions help
References: <JMEHLOIOFHBEJDCDJNLOAEDNEBAA.chendry@nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <00fc01c378d1$79d89180$0300a8c0@dads>

Brian & Christopher...

Thanks so much for your help. I had never configured session.save_path when I installed PHP.

John
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Christopher Hendry 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 9:45 PM
  Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Sessions help


  sounds like you're on the right track, perhaps if you set your session.save_path in php.ini to an actual directory on your C drive, that'll fix things up...ie, session.save_path="c:/tmp" (making sure c:/tmp exists, of course)

  C
    -----Original Message-----
    From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of John W. Markert
    Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 8:52 PM
    To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
    Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sessions help


    When I execute the following code: 

    -------------- 

    <?php
    $retStat = session_start();
    echo "retStat is: $retStat";
    ?> 

    -------------- 

    I get the following error: 

    -------------------------------- 


    Warning: session_start() [function.session-start]: open(/tmp\sess_216759f1842cd310eb16bf6de9c5ad60, O_RDWR) failed: No such file or directory (2) in c:\program files\apache group\apache\htdocs\test\session1.php on line 2

    Warning: session_start() [function.session-start]: Cannot send session cookie - headers already sent by (output started at c:\program files\apache group\apache\htdocs\test\session1.php:2) in c:\program files\apache group\apache\htdocs\test\session1.php on line 2

    Warning: session_start() [function.session-start]: Cannot send session cache limiter - headers already sent (output started at c:\program files\apache group\apache\htdocs\test\session1.php:2) in c:\program files\apache group\apache\htdocs\test\session1.php on line 2
    retStat is: 1
    Warning: Unknown(): open(/tmp\sess_216759f1842cd310eb16bf6de9c5ad60, O_RDWR) failed: No such file or directory (2) in Unknown on line 0

    Warning: Unknown(): Failed to write session data (files). Please verify that the current setting of session.save_path is correct (/tmp) in Unknown on line 0
    ---------------------------- 

    Do I interpret this as I am missing a /tmp directory? If so, what is that a subdirectory of? 

    Thanks, 

    John 

    ___________________________________________

    John W. Markert
    14 Joanna Way
    Kinnelon, NJ 07405
    Phone: (973)838-8956
    Cell: (201)788-1740
    Fax: (973)838-4561 
    email: markert at optonline.net


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From lists at ny-tech.net  Fri Sep 12 00:29:00 2003
From: lists at ny-tech.net (Nasir Zubair)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 00:29:00 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Get the value of a variable regardless of GET or POST
In-Reply-To: <00fc01c378d1$79d89180$0300a8c0@dads>
Message-ID: <000401c378e6$6553fc80$6401a8c0@main>

Right now I'm using the following code to get the value of $action, since
I'm either mixing GET/POST within my project OR am not sure about how the
template will be setup ( yet ).

$action = (empty($_POST['action'])) ? $_GET['action'] : "";

Is there another way of acomplishing the same thing?



From bpang at bpang.com  Fri Sep 12 00:38:03 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 00:38:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Get the value of a variable regardless of GET or POST
Message-ID: <E19xfh5-0000r2-Su@rslrs1-server.com>

$_REQUEST['action']

or, you can turn on register_globals and access it as $action, but I
wouldn't advise it. Using the $_REQUEST array is good.

Be aware of the "security" implications, however, that someone could
override intended $_POST vars by appending to the query string.

Also note that you can dynamically add to the $_REQUEST array, but those
values will not be available in $_POST or $_GET



> Right now I'm using the following code to get the value of $action, since
> I'm either mixing GET/POST within my project OR am not sure about how the
> template will be setup ( yet ).
> 
> $action = (empty($_POST['action'])) ? $_GET['action'] : "";
> 
> Is there another way of acomplishing the same thing?
> 
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From xml at aumcomputers.com  Fri Sep 12 04:07:01 2003
From: xml at aumcomputers.com (Anirudh Zala)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:37:01 +0530
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Script terminates after certain amount of time period
References: <LBEDJMJGLEPEKJAJMHBDIEGJFNAA.tom@supertom.com>
Message-ID: <03d401c37905$0fffb700$3500a8c0@com1>

Thanks all,

BUT nothing is working. I have also increased memory limit upto 20MB, and
tried all of your's suggestions, but still result is 0. While testing this
script on Netscape and other browser same error occures except message is
different that "Document contains no data".

Looks like it needs huge amount of memory resources as finally over 15 MB
PDF document is to be created by that script. Perhaps Apache or Php is not
able to handle this much amount of data in memory. Any other suggestions
will be welcomed.

Thanks

Anirudh Zala

----- Original Message -----
From: <tom at supertom.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, 09 September, 2003 9:02 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Script terminates after certain amount of time
period


> Chris is right, I would pull it up in another browser, just to make sure
> that you are actually getting the real error message.
>
> Also, depending on how big the PDF files are that are being created, you
may
> want to look into the memory limit entry in php.ini, to make sure that you
> have enough to allow the PDF to be created.
>
> memory_limit = 8M      ; Maximum amount of memory a script may consume
(8MB)
>
> Sorry, I came into this post late, please excuse me if this has already
been
> suggested.
>
> Good Luck!
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Chris Shiflett
> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 11:19 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Script terminates after certain amount of time
> period
>
>
> --- Anirudh Zala <xml at aumcomputers.com> wrote:
> > Chris, As i have mentioned, it is also not working at all, just "Page
> > can not be displayed" after few mins. Looks like browser loose
> > connection with server.
>
> Read my response again. Specifically:
>
> > > 2. Are you using IE? Don't.
>
> What I meant by this is that IE is likely giving you the BS error message,
> and
> it isn't the least bit helpful. In fact, it is usually very misleading.
>
> Chris
>
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From cahoyos at us.ibm.com  Fri Sep 12 05:54:01 2003
From: cahoyos at us.ibm.com (Carlos A Hoyos)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 11:54:01 +0200
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Script terminates after certain amount of time period
In-Reply-To: <03d401c37905$0fffb700$3500a8c0@com1>
Message-ID: <OFC8F5D048.30F32A06-ONC1256D9F.00347789-C1256D9F.0036629D@us.ibm.com>







Start by modify your program to run from the command line (take the
arguments via argv, and write the output to disk). This will allow you to
do some profiling and find out what execution time and resources usage are.

If you can't optimize it, you will have to fork it: When the user calls
your script, you execute your pdf-generator program in the background via
"exec" and just echo a message that the "pdf is being generated" and some
javascript that after some few seconds will change the location to a second
php page.
This second page will check if the pdf generator has already created the
file, and if it has it will serve it, otherwise it will wait for another 10
seconds before reloading.

The whole thing is not hard to implement, but be careful about the little
details and security validation in each of the steps.


Carlos


                                                                                                                                     
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Thanks all,

BUT nothing is working. I have also increased memory limit upto 20MB, and
tried all of your's suggestions, but still result is 0. While testing this
script on Netscape and other browser same error occures except message is
different that "Document contains no data".

Looks like it needs huge amount of memory resources as finally over 15 MB
PDF document is to be created by that script. Perhaps Apache or Php is not
able to handle this much amount of data in memory. Any other suggestions
will be welcomed.

Thanks

Anirudh Zala





From tom at supertom.com  Fri Sep 12 08:01:48 2003
From: tom at supertom.com (tom at supertom.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 08:01:48 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Script terminates after certain amount of time period
In-Reply-To: <03d401c37905$0fffb700$3500a8c0@com1>
Message-ID: <LBEDJMJGLEPEKJAJMHBDCEBNFOAA.tom@supertom.com>

Anirudh,

If you try this with a "small" PDF (like 1 page, light graphics), do you
still have the same results?

Thanks,

Tom





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-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Anirudh Zala
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 4:07 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Script terminates after certain amount of time
period


Thanks all,

BUT nothing is working. I have also increased memory limit upto 20MB, and
tried all of your's suggestions, but still result is 0. While testing this
script on Netscape and other browser same error occures except message is
different that "Document contains no data".

Looks like it needs huge amount of memory resources as finally over 15 MB
PDF document is to be created by that script. Perhaps Apache or Php is not
able to handle this much amount of data in memory. Any other suggestions
will be welcomed.

Thanks

Anirudh Zala

----- Original Message -----
From: <tom at supertom.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, 09 September, 2003 9:02 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Script terminates after certain amount of time
period


> Chris is right, I would pull it up in another browser, just to make sure
> that you are actually getting the real error message.
>
> Also, depending on how big the PDF files are that are being created, you
may
> want to look into the memory limit entry in php.ini, to make sure that you
> have enough to allow the PDF to be created.
>
> memory_limit = 8M      ; Maximum amount of memory a script may consume
(8MB)
>
> Sorry, I came into this post late, please excuse me if this has already
been
> suggested.
>
> Good Luck!
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>
> ***************************************************
> What's Tom listening to right now?  Find out here:
> http://www.supertom.com/current_track.php
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Chris Shiflett
> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 11:19 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Script terminates after certain amount of time
> period
>
>
> --- Anirudh Zala <xml at aumcomputers.com> wrote:
> > Chris, As i have mentioned, it is also not working at all, just "Page
> > can not be displayed" after few mins. Looks like browser loose
> > connection with server.
>
> Read my response again. Specifically:
>
> > > 2. Are you using IE? Don't.
>
> What I meant by this is that IE is likely giving you the BS error message,
> and
> it isn't the least bit helpful. In fact, it is usually very misleading.
>
> Chris
>
> =====
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> http://httphandbook.org/
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From pl at eskimo.com  Fri Sep 12 10:13:35 2003
From: pl at eskimo.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 07:13:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sessions help
In-Reply-To: <00a501c378c8$1b3cfd40$0300a8c0@dads>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSU.4.44.0309120712360.20758-100000@eskimo.com>

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, John W. Markert wrote:

You have to specify your session directory in your php.ini file which
should reside in your windows directory.

Peter Lehrer

> When I execute the following code:
>
> --------------
>
> <?php
> $retStat = session_start();
> echo "retStat is: $retStat";
> ?>
>
> --------------
>
> I get the following error:
>
> --------------------------------
>
>
> Warning: session_start() [function.session-start]: open(/tmp\sess_216759f1842cd310eb16bf6de9c5ad60, O_RDWR) failed: No such file or directory (2) in c:\program files\apache group\apache\htdocs\test\session1.php on line 2
>
> Warning: session_start() [function.session-start]: Cannot send session cookie - headers already sent by (output started at c:\program files\apache group\apache\htdocs\test\session1.php:2) in c:\program files\apache group\apache\htdocs\test\session1.php on line 2
>
> Warning: session_start() [function.session-start]: Cannot send session cache limiter - headers already sent (output started at c:\program files\apache group\apache\htdocs\test\session1.php:2) in c:\program files\apache group\apache\htdocs\test\session1.php on line 2
> retStat is: 1
> Warning: Unknown(): open(/tmp\sess_216759f1842cd310eb16bf6de9c5ad60, O_RDWR) failed: No such file or directory (2) in Unknown on line 0
>
> Warning: Unknown(): Failed to write session data (files). Please verify that the current setting of session.save_path is correct (/tmp) in Unknown on line 0
> ----------------------------
>
> Do I interpret this as I am missing a /tmp directory? If so, what is that a subdirectory of?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
> ___________________________________________
>
> John W. Markert
> 14 Joanna Way
> Kinnelon, NJ 07405
> Phone: (973)838-8956
> Cell: (201)788-1740
> Fax: (973)838-4561
> email: markert at optonline.net
>



From lists at ny-tech.net  Fri Sep 12 11:50:18 2003
From: lists at ny-tech.net (Nasir Zubair)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 11:50:18 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sessions help
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSU.4.44.0309120712360.20758-100000@eskimo.com>
Message-ID: <001001c37945$92728970$6401a8c0@main>

Think the problem was solved. However, the easiest way to solve it is to
create "tmp" directory in your "C:" drive. C:\tmp  maps to /tmp

- Nasir

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Lehrer [mailto:pl at eskimo.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 10:14 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Sessions help


On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, John W. Markert wrote:

You have to specify your session directory in your php.ini file which should
reside in your windows directory.

Peter Lehrer

> When I execute the following code:
>
> --------------
>
> <?php
> $retStat = session_start();
> echo "retStat is: $retStat";
> ?>
>
> --------------
>
> I get the following error:
>
> --------------------------------
>
>
> Warning: session_start() [function.session-start]: 
> open(/tmp\sess_216759f1842cd310eb16bf6de9c5ad60, O_RDWR) failed: No 
> such file or directory (2) in c:\program files\apache 
> group\apache\htdocs\test\session1.php on line 2
>
> Warning: session_start() [function.session-start]: Cannot send session 
> cookie - headers already sent by (output started at c:\program 
> files\apache group\apache\htdocs\test\session1.php:2) in c:\program 
> files\apache group\apache\htdocs\test\session1.php on line 2
>
> Warning: session_start() [function.session-start]: Cannot send session 
> cache limiter - headers already sent (output started at c:\program 
> files\apache group\apache\htdocs\test\session1.php:2) in c:\program
files\apache group\apache\htdocs\test\session1.php on line 2 retStat is: 1
> Warning: Unknown(): open(/tmp\sess_216759f1842cd310eb16bf6de9c5ad60,
O_RDWR) failed: No such file or directory (2) in Unknown on line 0
>
> Warning: Unknown(): Failed to write session data (files). Please 
> verify that the current setting of session.save_path is correct (/tmp) in
Unknown on line 0
> ----------------------------
>
> Do I interpret this as I am missing a /tmp directory? If so, what is 
> that a subdirectory of?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
> ___________________________________________
>
> John W. Markert
> 14 Joanna Way
> Kinnelon, NJ 07405
> Phone: (973)838-8956
> Cell: (201)788-1740
> Fax: (973)838-4561
> email: markert at optonline.net
>

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From dmintz at panix.com  Fri Sep 12 15:39:12 2003
From: dmintz at panix.com (David Mintz)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:39:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] recommend something CMS-ish
In-Reply-To: <000401c378e6$6553fc80$6401a8c0@main>
References: <000401c378e6$6553fc80$6401a8c0@main>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.56.0309121503380.12385@panix5.panix.com>


Hey y'all.

Today I'm looking for recommendations for something that I guess they call
a Content Management System, a thing that will allow clients themselves to
edit their own HTML pages (or Smarty templates as the case may be) so I
don't have to do it, and without them having to have a shell or FTP
account on the shared server where their sites live -- i.e.,
browser-based. They should be able to upload, download, move/copy/delete
files and directories, and edit things in place as well (if they're
fearless and foolish like... some people).

If it's something that runs as me (as I imagine it will have to), then it
should also feature activity logging so we'll know whom to point the
finger at when something gets broken.

Setup should be reasonably easy, the appearance should be easy to
customize and it should cost, oh, I don't know, how about US$0.00 ?

I've read a little about PostNuke and it seems like a 250-pound Swiss army
knife -- but if it's just monsterously fabulous, OK I'll take it.

I'm doing some homework at
http://www.thefreecountry.com/php/contentmanagement.shtml but I thought
I'd ask here as well.

Thanks.

---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/
Email: See http://dmintzweb.com/whitelist.php first!

"Y d?le p'abajo"

	Tito Rojas


From chendry at nyc.rr.com  Fri Sep 12 15:51:11 2003
From: chendry at nyc.rr.com (Christopher Hendry)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:51:11 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] recommend something CMS-ish
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.56.0309121503380.12385@panix5.panix.com>
Message-ID: <JMEHLOIOFHBEJDCDJNLOMEGHEBAA.chendry@nyc.rr.com>

I've been happy with: http://www.webedpro.com/ (no affiliation) - but I
don't think it offers logging, and only works on IE5.5+/PC

-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
-> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of David Mintz
-> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 3:39 PM
-> To: NYPHP Talk
-> Subject: [nycphp-talk] recommend something CMS-ish
->
->
->
-> Hey y'all.
->
-> Today I'm looking for recommendations for something that I guess
-> they call
-> a Content Management System, a thing that will allow clients
-> themselves to
-> edit their own HTML pages (or Smarty templates as the case may be) so I
-> don't have to do it, and without them having to have a shell or FTP
-> account on the shared server where their sites live -- i.e.,
-> browser-based. They should be able to upload, download, move/copy/delete
-> files and directories, and edit things in place as well (if they're
-> fearless and foolish like... some people).
->
-> If it's something that runs as me (as I imagine it will have to), then it
-> should also feature activity logging so we'll know whom to point the
-> finger at when something gets broken.
->
-> Setup should be reasonably easy, the appearance should be easy to
-> customize and it should cost, oh, I don't know, how about US$0.00 ?
->
-> I've read a little about PostNuke and it seems like a 250-pound
-> Swiss army
-> knife -- but if it's just monsterously fabulous, OK I'll take it.
->
-> I'm doing some homework at
-> http://www.thefreecountry.com/php/contentmanagement.shtml but I thought
-> I'd ask here as well.
->
-> Thanks.
->
-> ---
-> David Mintz
-> http://davidmintz.org/
-> Email: See http://dmintzweb.com/whitelist.php first!
->
-> "Y d?le p'abajo"
->
-> 	Tito Rojas
-> _______________________________________________
-> talk mailing list
-> talk at lists.nyphp.org
-> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
->




From soazine at erols.com  Fri Sep 12 16:27:07 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:27:07 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] had to give you guys a break
Message-ID: <000b01c3796c$3d4b4dc0$67a76244@philofsoa>

I'm not kidding, the only reason yesterday you didn't hear from me was because I wasn't coding, but today I am doing something quick, and yes, as always it failed.. right at the SQL statement:


   $sql = 'SELECT v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_navn, ' .
          '       f.nnet_produkt_farge_navn, ' .
          '       s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_navn, ' .
          '       k.nnet_produkt_kvalitet_navn, ' .
          '       p.* ' .
          'FROM nnet_produkt p, nnet_produkt_varegruppe v, ' .
          '     nnet_produkt_kvalitet k, nnet_produkt_storrelse s ' .
          'WHERE p.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code ' .
          ' AND p.nnet_produkt_farge_code = f.nnet_produkt_farge_code ' .
          ' AND p.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id (+) = s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id ' .
          ' AND p.nnet_produkt_kvalitet_id (+) = k.nnet_produkt_kvalitet_id';

I am getting "invalid SQL near (+).  That is totally VALID SQL syntax for an outer join!  If mySQL doesn't allow for that, what am I supposed to do in lieu of the fact that I have to logically join two tables together or if the one is null (the case for an outer join)?

Phil
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From dkrook at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 12 16:31:53 2003
From: dkrook at hotmail.com (D C Krook)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:31:53 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] had to give you guys a break
Message-ID: <BAY2-F150O0a4DlRtHT000084eb@hotmail.com>

Phil, the (+) is only valid for joins in the Oracle dialect of SQL

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From nestorflorez at earthlink.net  Fri Sep 12 16:34:11 2003
From: nestorflorez at earthlink.net (Nestor Florez)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 13:34:11 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] had to give you guys a break
Message-ID: <10131463.1063398851497.JavaMail.root@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

Maybe, My eyes are old but I do not see the f table in your from
statement.

Nestor :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Powell <soazine at erols.com>
Sent: Sep 12, 2003 1:27 PM
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Subject: [nycphp-talk] had to give you guys a break

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm not kidding, the only reason yesterday you 
didn't hear from me was because I wasn't coding, but today I am doing something 
quick, and yes, as always it failed.. right at the SQL statement:</font></div>
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.<BR>          
'       f.nnet_produkt_farge_navn, ' 
.<BR>          
'       s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_navn, ' 
.<BR>          
'       k.nnet_produkt_kvalitet_navn, ' 
.<BR>          
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From hans at nyphp.org  Fri Sep 12 16:47:26 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:47:26 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] windows help OT
In-Reply-To: <001f01c378a9$b7174eb0$6501a8c0@palacenew>
References: <001f01c378a9$b7174eb0$6501a8c0@palacenew>
Message-ID: <3F6230DE.1080806@nyphp.org>


I'm sure there are many virus and trojan detection system available for Windows (after all, it's had it's practice :) but Norton should take care of it.  Are you sure Norton's virus definition files are updated?

Before I jump through hoops, however, I'd make them prove that there was a DoS from your box.  People, especially those involved with IRC, are often quick to jump to conclusions.  Put the ball in their court, first.

H

Evan Heller wrote:

> Ok, somehow my windows machine was compromised and started to send out a dos
> attack against an irc server (so i was told). I do keep up with the patches
> and I run windows 2000 server. I do not run IIS. I also run norton antivuris
> corporate and have come up with nothing. I could not find anything with a
> trojan horse cleaner nor could I detect if I was compromised.
> 
> Does anyone have any way of determining if I was compromised? Any utilities
> I could use to check this out without the hassle of a rebuild of the entire
> machine. I would like to avoid rebuilding but what other choice do I have if
> I cannot determine the cause of the intrusion and the extend of the damage.
> (as of now I can see no damage).
> 
> -Evan
> 
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From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Fri Sep 12 16:57:27 2003
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:57:27 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] had to give you guys a break
References: <000b01c3796c$3d4b4dc0$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <00fe01c37970$795668f0$6501a8c0@Notebook>

(+)= is not valid ANSI SQL, it's Oracle SQL you need to use join syntax.

   $sql = 'SELECT v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_navn, ' .
          '       f.nnet_produkt_farge_navn, ' .
          '       s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_navn, ' .
          '       k.nnet_produkt_kvalitet_navn, ' .
          '       p.* ' .
          'FROM nnet_produkt p ' .
          '  JOIN nnet_produkt_varegruppe v ON p.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code ' .
          '  JOIN whatevertable_is_f f ON p.nnet_produkt_farge_code = f.nnet_produkt_farge_code ' .
          '  LEFT JOIN nnet_produkt_storrelse s ON p.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id = s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id ' .
          '  LEFT JOIN nnet_produkt_kvalitet k ON p.nnet_produkt_kvalitet_id = k.nnet_produkt_kvalitet_id '

I Forget the Oracle syntax so if this is suppose to be a right join, just replace LEFT with RIGHT.

Jim
______________________________________________________________
Jim Hendricks, President, Biz Computing, Inc
Phone:  (201) 599-9380     Email: jim at bizcomputinginc.com
Web: www.bizcomputinginc.com 
Snail:  Jim Hendricks,  Biz Computing, Inc.,  255 McKinley Ave, New Milford, NJ 07646
______________________________________________________________

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Phil Powell 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 4:27 PM
  Subject: [nycphp-talk] had to give you guys a break


  I'm not kidding, the only reason yesterday you didn't hear from me was because I wasn't coding, but today I am doing something quick, and yes, as always it failed.. right at the SQL statement:


     $sql = 'SELECT v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_navn, ' .
            '       f.nnet_produkt_farge_navn, ' .
            '       s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_navn, ' .
            '       k.nnet_produkt_kvalitet_navn, ' .
            '       p.* ' .
            'FROM nnet_produkt p, nnet_produkt_varegruppe v, ' .
            '     nnet_produkt_kvalitet k, nnet_produkt_storrelse s ' .
            'WHERE p.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code ' .
            ' AND p.nnet_produkt_farge_code = f.nnet_produkt_farge_code ' .
            ' AND p.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id (+) = s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id ' .
            ' AND p.nnet_produkt_kvalitet_id (+) = k.nnet_produkt_kvalitet_id';

  I am getting "invalid SQL near (+).  That is totally VALID SQL syntax for an outer join!  If mySQL doesn't allow for that, what am I supposed to do in lieu of the fact that I have to logically join two tables together or if the one is null (the case for an outer join)?

  Phil


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From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Fri Sep 12 17:07:35 2003
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:07:35 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] had to give you guys a break
References: <000b01c3796c$3d4b4dc0$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <013101c37971$e3a40b30$6501a8c0@Notebook>

(+)= is not valid ANSI SQL, it's Oracle SQL you need to use join syntax.

   $sql = 'SELECT v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_navn, ' .
          '       f.nnet_produkt_farge_navn, ' .
          '       s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_navn, ' .
          '       k.nnet_produkt_kvalitet_navn, ' .
          '       p.* ' .
          'FROM nnet_produkt p ' .
          '  JOIN nnet_produkt_varegruppe v ON p.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code ' .
          '  JOIN whatevertable_is_f f ON p.nnet_produkt_farge_code = f.nnet_produkt_farge_code ' .
          '  LEFT JOIN nnet_produkt_storrelse s ON p.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id = s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id ' .
          '  LEFT JOIN nnet_produkt_kvalitet k ON p.nnet_produkt_kvalitet_id = k.nnet_produkt_kvalitet_id '

I Forget the Oracle syntax so if this is suppose to be a right join, just replace LEFT with RIGHT.

Jim
______________________________________________________________
Jim Hendricks, President, Biz Computing, Inc
Phone:  (201) 599-9380     Email: jim at bizcomputinginc.com
Web: www.bizcomputinginc.com 
Snail:  Jim Hendricks,  Biz Computing, Inc.,  255 McKinley Ave, New Milford, NJ 07646
______________________________________________________________

______________________________________________________________
Jim Hendricks, President, Biz Computing, Inc
Phone:  (201) 599-9380     Email: jim at bizcomputinginc.com
Web: www.bizcomputinginc.com 
Snail:  Jim Hendricks,  Biz Computing, Inc.,  255 McKinley Ave, New Milford, NJ 07646
______________________________________________________________

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Phil Powell 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 4:27 PM
  Subject: [nycphp-talk] had to give you guys a break


  I'm not kidding, the only reason yesterday you didn't hear from me was because I wasn't coding, but today I am doing something quick, and yes, as always it failed.. right at the SQL statement:


     $sql = 'SELECT v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_navn, ' .
            '       f.nnet_produkt_farge_navn, ' .
            '       s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_navn, ' .
            '       k.nnet_produkt_kvalitet_navn, ' .
            '       p.* ' .
            'FROM nnet_produkt p, nnet_produkt_varegruppe v, ' .
            '     nnet_produkt_kvalitet k, nnet_produkt_storrelse s ' .
            'WHERE p.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code ' .
            ' AND p.nnet_produkt_farge_code = f.nnet_produkt_farge_code ' .
            ' AND p.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id (+) = s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id ' .
            ' AND p.nnet_produkt_kvalitet_id (+) = k.nnet_produkt_kvalitet_id';

  I am getting "invalid SQL near (+).  That is totally VALID SQL syntax for an outer join!  If mySQL doesn't allow for that, what am I supposed to do in lieu of the fact that I have to logically join two tables together or if the one is null (the case for an outer join)?

  Phil


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From stephen at musgrave.org  Fri Sep 12 19:22:18 2003
From: stephen at musgrave.org (Stephen Musgrave)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 19:22:18 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Pear: Mail Mime / Mail
Message-ID: <BB87CD6A.FE13%stephen@musgrave.org>

    
Hello all - 

Thank you to those who recommending using Pear's Mail Mime to overcome my
multi-part email issues.. it works like a charm.

However...

.. I want to use it in SMTP mode so that if a recipient is unreachable, the
bounces goes back to the sender, not the postmaster.  When I make the call
to factory() in SMTP mode and send the email, I notice that the "to" field
comes up blank when I receive the email.  (The "To" field is nonexistent in
my mail reader.)  I was getting the 'To' field just fine when the factory()
call was in default mode (mail).

Anybody have any ideas?

Thanks,


Stephen Musgrave

//  stephen at musgrave.org
//  http://musgrave.org



From pl at eskimo.com  Fri Sep 12 23:04:44 2003
From: pl at eskimo.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 20:04:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] installing PHP/MySQL on a Mac
Message-ID: <Pine.GSU.4.44.0309122000250.28118-100000@eskimo.com>

I would like to know about the process of installing PHP and MySQL on a
Mac. Would the Mac OS have to be OS X (to take advantage of Free BSD)?
Would it be similar to installing it on Free BSD (or Linux)? Does Mac OS X
already come with Apache loaded and configured to serve pages through
"localhost"?

Any help would be appreciated.

Yours,
Peter Lehrer



From alexander_chan at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 12 23:12:37 2003
From: alexander_chan at yahoo.com (Alexander Chan)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 20:12:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] installing PHP/MySQL on a Mac
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSU.4.44.0309122000250.28118-100000@eskimo.com>
Message-ID: <20030913031237.41987.qmail@web11606.mail.yahoo.com>

I have php running on mac os x ..
OS X comes with apache. I downloaded a precompiled
version of php at
http://www.entropy.ch/software/macosx/php/. you won't
have to do anything.

Alex
--- Peter Lehrer <pl at eskimo.com> wrote:
> I would like to know about the process of installing
> PHP and MySQL on a
> Mac. Would the Mac OS have to be OS X (to take
> advantage of Free BSD)?
> Would it be similar to installing it on Free BSD (or
> Linux)? Does Mac OS X
> already come with Apache loaded and configured to
> serve pages through
> "localhost"?
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> Yours,
> Peter Lehrer
> 
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From dkrook at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 12 23:38:25 2003
From: dkrook at hotmail.com (D C Krook)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 23:38:25 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] installing PHP/MySQL on a Mac
Message-ID: <BAY2-F145Z7hq5ynHFm00008f71@hotmail.com>

Peter,

You could compile from source as on any other Unix variant, but if you want 
to take advantage of Mac OS X's GUI to manage servers, Server Logistics (no 
affiliation) lets you do so through the System Preferences panel with their 
free precompiled binaries.

They're pretty quick to update PHP, Apache, MySQL, and Tomcat when new 
releases come out.

http://serverlogistics.com/software.php
+ Complete MySQL
+ Complete Apache 2
+ Complete PHP
+ Complete Jakarta Tomcat




>I would like to know about the process of installing PHP and MySQL on a
>Mac. Would the Mac OS have to be OS X (to take advantage of Free BSD)?
>Would it be similar to installing it on Free BSD (or Linux)? Does Mac OS X
>already come with Apache loaded and configured to serve pages through
>"localhost"?
>
>Any help would be appreciated.

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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Thu Sep 11 15:18:46 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:18:46 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] "micro offices" (ot)
Message-ID: <001d01c37899$862de530$6400a8c0@thinkpad>

greetings ...

i currently have a few/handful php/mysql/security/wireless projects (and
backed up on alot since my laptop had a fitz), but im looking for some open
space to work vs. home, does anyone know where i could barter some work/time
or if there are any other options like this:

http://www.microoffice.us

(there was another big one in nyc but i cant remember the name or if they
went out of biz)

id rather be close by to like-minded peer amp developers ... i just really
need space + open lan connection.  thanks.

- jon

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From dkrook at hotmail.com  Sat Sep 13 11:28:36 2003
From: dkrook at hotmail.com (D C Krook)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 11:28:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] "micro offices" (ot)
Message-ID: <BAY2-F14JVkl4AU1O6Y00007290@hotmail.com>

Jon,

The contractor-oriented dotcom I used to work for had a relationship with HQ 
Global Workplaces.  They seem to still be in business, although they might 
be overkill for your needs.

http://hq.com/
http://hq.com/products/?id=25&section=IP

If you want open space and an open LAN, you could just go to Bryant Park 
and/or the NYPL with a wireless card though.  :)


>i currently have a few/handful php/mysql/security/wireless projects (and
>backed up on alot since my laptop had a fitz), but im looking for some open
>space to work vs. home, does anyone know where i could barter some 
>work/time
>or if there are any other options like this:
>
>http://www.microoffice.us
>
>(there was another big one in nyc but i cant remember the name or if they
>went out of biz)
>
>id rather be close by to like-minded peer amp developers ... i just really
>need space + open lan connection.  thanks.
>
>- jon

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From shiflett at php.net  Sat Sep 13 14:41:59 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 11:41:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] installing PHP/MySQL on a Mac
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSU.4.44.0309122000250.28118-100000@eskimo.com>
Message-ID: <20030913184159.7128.qmail@web14301.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Peter Lehrer <pl at eskimo.com> wrote:
> I would like to know about the process of installing PHP and MySQL
> on a Mac.

It is identical to installing it on another other Unix variant, assuming you
compile your own Apache, MySQL, PHP, OpenSSL, and mod_ssl as I do.

If you don't, you can just use the Apache that comes with Mac OS X, or you can
use fink (http://fink.sourceforge.net/). Fink allows you to install/update any
software just as easily as you would on a Debian box (using apt-get), and it's
really solid. I use it for everything that I'm not picky about (I'm picky about
my AMP configuration).

Hope that helps.

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From stephen at musgrave.org  Sat Sep 13 20:09:53 2003
From: stephen at musgrave.org (Stephen Musgrave)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 20:09:53 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] installing PHP/MySQL on a Mac
In-Reply-To: <20030913031237.41987.qmail@web11606.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BB892A11.FEAA%stephen@musgrave.org>


I'll second this.  I have been using Marc's packages for well over a year
now.. good stuff.. never a problem.

Stephen Musgrave

//  stephen at musgrave.org
//  http://musgrave.org
//  718-486-6514


On 9/12/03 11:12 PM, "Alexander Chan" <alexander_chan at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I have php running on mac os x ..
> OS X comes with apache. I downloaded a precompiled
> version of php at
> http://www.entropy.ch/software/macosx/php/. you won't
> have to do anything.
> 
> Alex
> --- Peter Lehrer <pl at eskimo.com> wrote:
>> I would like to know about the process of installing
>> PHP and MySQL on a
>> Mac. Would the Mac OS have to be OS X (to take
>> advantage of Free BSD)?
>> Would it be similar to installing it on Free BSD (or
>> Linux)? Does Mac OS X
>> already come with Apache loaded and configured to
>> serve pages through
>> "localhost"?
>> 
>> Any help would be appreciated.
>> 
>> Yours,
>> Peter Lehrer
>> 
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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Sun Sep 14 09:22:26 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 09:22:26 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS - Virtual Hosting Art. - Revised
Message-ID: <004701c37ac3$3da08fd0$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

The article on virtual hosting has been heavily revised. Please review
it for accuracy and clarity (admittedly...you can only go so far in
explaining things but make sure that all the important points have been
addressed). 

This version, 1.2, contains a number of changes based on comments from
list members. If there is anyone who had contributed a comment and did
not receive a "credit" at the bottom of the article...please let me
know.

See: http://cvs.nyphp.org/cvsweb.cgi/fundamentals/virtual_hosting.txt

Jeff Siegel




From soazine at erols.com  Sun Sep 14 20:06:41 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:06:41 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] had to give you guys a break
References: <BAY2-F150O0a4DlRtHT000084eb@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <034c01c37b1d$3e3b5650$67a76244@philofsoa>

What is the mySQL equivalent then? Online notes prove fruitless. :(

Phil
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From: "D C Krook" <dkrook at hotmail.com>
To: <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] had to give you guys a break


> Phil, the (+) is only valid for joins in the Oracle dialect of SQL
> 
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From soazine at erols.com  Sun Sep 14 20:14:07 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:14:07 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] had to give you guys a break
References: <000b01c3796c$3d4b4dc0$67a76244@philofsoa>
	<00fe01c37970$795668f0$6501a8c0@Notebook>
Message-ID: <037301c37b1e$4803f4c0$67a76244@philofsoa>

That produced a SQL syntax error as well, I'm afraid. :(

Phil
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jim Hendricks 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 4:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] had to give you guys a break


  (+)= is not valid ANSI SQL, it's Oracle SQL you need to use join syntax.

     $sql = 'SELECT v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_navn, ' .
            '       f.nnet_produkt_farge_navn, ' .
            '       s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_navn, ' .
            '       k.nnet_produkt_kvalitet_navn, ' .
            '       p.* ' .
            'FROM nnet_produkt p ' .
            '  JOIN nnet_produkt_varegruppe v ON p.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code ' .
            '  JOIN whatevertable_is_f f ON p.nnet_produkt_farge_code = f.nnet_produkt_farge_code ' .
            '  LEFT JOIN nnet_produkt_storrelse s ON p.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id = s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id ' .
            '  LEFT JOIN nnet_produkt_kvalitet k ON p.nnet_produkt_kvalitet_id = k.nnet_produkt_kvalitet_id '

  I Forget the Oracle syntax so if this is suppose to be a right join, just replace LEFT with RIGHT.

  Jim
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    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Phil Powell 
    To: NYPHP Talk 
    Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 4:27 PM
    Subject: [nycphp-talk] had to give you guys a break


    I'm not kidding, the only reason yesterday you didn't hear from me was because I wasn't coding, but today I am doing something quick, and yes, as always it failed.. right at the SQL statement:


       $sql = 'SELECT v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_navn, ' .
              '       f.nnet_produkt_farge_navn, ' .
              '       s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_navn, ' .
              '       k.nnet_produkt_kvalitet_navn, ' .
              '       p.* ' .
              'FROM nnet_produkt p, nnet_produkt_varegruppe v, ' .
              '     nnet_produkt_kvalitet k, nnet_produkt_storrelse s ' .
              'WHERE p.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code ' .
              ' AND p.nnet_produkt_farge_code = f.nnet_produkt_farge_code ' .
              ' AND p.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id (+) = s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id ' .
              ' AND p.nnet_produkt_kvalitet_id (+) = k.nnet_produkt_kvalitet_id';

    I am getting "invalid SQL near (+).  That is totally VALID SQL syntax for an outer join!  If mySQL doesn't allow for that, what am I supposed to do in lieu of the fact that I have to logically join two tables together or if the one is null (the case for an outer join)?

    Phil


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From hans at nyphp.org  Sun Sep 14 20:15:46 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:15:46 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] had to give you guys a break
In-Reply-To: <034c01c37b1d$3e3b5650$67a76244@philofsoa>
References: <BAY2-F150O0a4DlRtHT000084eb@hotmail.com>
	<034c01c37b1d$3e3b5650$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <3F6504B2.4070201@nyphp.org>



Phil Powell wrote:

> What is the mySQL equivalent then? Online notes prove fruitless. :(

The SQL standard is OUTER JOIN

http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Data_Manipulation.html


H



From soazine at erols.com  Sun Sep 14 20:25:55 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:25:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] had to give you guys a break
References: <BAY2-F150O0a4DlRtHT000084eb@hotmail.com><034c01c37b1d$3e3b5650$67a76244@philofsoa>
	<3F6504B2.4070201@nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <03bb01c37b1f$eda3bf40$67a76244@philofsoa>

Ok, well, I am using OUTER JOINs in my syntax and it all broke apart until I
combined what I learned in mySQL what what I've always understood INNER JOIN
syntax to be:

    $sql = 'SELECT v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_navn, ' .
          '       f.nnet_produkt_farge_navn, ' .
          '       s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_navn, ' .
          '       k.nnet_produkt_kvalitet_navn, ' .
          '       p.* ' .
          'FROM nnet_produkt p, nnet_produkt_farge f,
nnet_produkt_varegruppe v ' .
          ' LEFT JOIN nnet_produkt_storrelse s ON
p.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id = s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id ' .
          ' LEFT JOIN nnet_produkt_kvalitet k ON p.nnet_produkt_kvalitet_id
= k.nnet_produkt_kvalitet_id ' .
          'WHERE v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code =
p.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code ' .
          ' AND f.nnet_produkt_farge_code = p.nnet_produkt_farge_code ';

Unorthodox but it doesn't break.

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hans Zaunere" <hans at nyphp.org>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] had to give you guys a break


>
>
> Phil Powell wrote:
>
> > What is the mySQL equivalent then? Online notes prove fruitless. :(
>
> The SQL standard is OUTER JOIN
>
> http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Data_Manipulation.html
>
>
> H
>
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From soazine at erols.com  Sun Sep 14 20:36:38 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:36:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] had to give you guys a break
References: <BAY2-F150O0a4DlRtHT000084eb@hotmail.com><034c01c37b1d$3e3b5650$67a76244@philofsoa>
	<3F6504B2.4070201@nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <03e401c37b21$6d8cff40$67a76244@philofsoa>

I can't understand what your URL refers to! It's talking about SELECT
statements, and I need to know about how it does outer joins (not straight
joins, whatever those are)

Phil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hans Zaunere" <hans at nyphp.org>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] had to give you guys a break


>
>
> Phil Powell wrote:
>
> > What is the mySQL equivalent then? Online notes prove fruitless. :(
>
> The SQL standard is OUTER JOIN
>
> http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Data_Manipulation.html
>
>
> H
>
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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Sun Sep 14 20:47:24 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:47:24 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] had to give you guys a break
In-Reply-To: <03e401c37b21$6d8cff40$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <002901c37b22$edd9e310$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

This may be what you want.

http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/JOIN.html

Jeff Siegel


-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Phil Powell
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 7:37 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] had to give you guys a break


I can't understand what your URL refers to! It's talking about SELECT
statements, and I need to know about how it does outer joins (not
straight
joins, whatever those are)

Phil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hans Zaunere" <hans at nyphp.org>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] had to give you guys a break


>
>
> Phil Powell wrote:
>
> > What is the mySQL equivalent then? Online notes prove fruitless. :(
>
> The SQL standard is OUTER JOIN
>
> http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Data_Manipulation.html
>
>
> H
>
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From hans at nyphp.org  Sun Sep 14 22:00:30 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 22:00:30 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS - Virtual Hosting Art. - Revised
In-Reply-To: <004701c37ac3$3da08fd0$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
References: <004701c37ac3$3da08fd0$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <3F651D3E.8090702@nyphp.org>



Jeff wrote:

> The article on virtual hosting has been heavily revised. Please review
> it for accuracy and clarity (admittedly...you can only go so far in
> explaining things but make sure that all the important points have been
> addressed). 
> 
> This version, 1.2, contains a number of changes based on comments from
> list members. If there is anyone who had contributed a comment and did
> not receive a "credit" at the bottom of the article...please let me
> know.
> 
> See: http://cvs.nyphp.org/cvsweb.cgi/fundamentals/virtual_hosting.txt

Looks great Jeff.  It's been suggested that an appendix be added that covers Windows on the server side as well.  I have little experience on this side of things, but maybe someone could contribute some notes, and we'll get them commited into the final version.

Thanks,

H




From shiflett at php.net  Sun Sep 14 23:24:48 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:24:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] had to give you guys a break
In-Reply-To: <3F6504B2.4070201@nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030915032448.33612.qmail@web14305.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Hans Zaunere <hans at nyphp.org> wrote:
> Phil Powell wrote:
> 
> > What is the mySQL equivalent then? Online notes prove fruitless. :(
> 
> The SQL standard is OUTER JOIN
> 
> http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Data_Manipulation.html

Just to offer more advice, here is a link that does a Google search for mysql
join syntax:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=mysql+join+syntax&btnG=Google+Search

I'm not sure what "online notes" you were using, but you should try Google next
time.

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From soazine at erols.com  Sun Sep 14 23:39:35 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:39:35 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] had to give you guys a break
References: <20030915032448.33612.qmail@web14305.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <044501c37b3a$fc26d9b0$67a76244@philofsoa>

Yep already went to that link and found some info on mysql.com on the way
they do outer joins, the syntax is truly bizarre (I'm an Oracle guy)

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Shiflett" <shiflett at php.net>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] had to give you guys a break


> --- Hans Zaunere <hans at nyphp.org> wrote:
> > Phil Powell wrote:
> >
> > > What is the mySQL equivalent then? Online notes prove fruitless. :(
> >
> > The SQL standard is OUTER JOIN
> >
> > http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Data_Manipulation.html
>
> Just to offer more advice, here is a link that does a Google search for
mysql
> join syntax:
>
>
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=mysql+join+syntax&btnG=Google+Search
>
> I'm not sure what "online notes" you were using, but you should try Google
next
> time.
>
> Chris
>
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From xml at aumcomputers.com  Mon Sep 15 04:50:14 2003
From: xml at aumcomputers.com (Anirudh Zala)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 14:20:14 +0530
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Script terminates after certain amount of time period
References: <LBEDJMJGLEPEKJAJMHBDCEBNFOAA.tom@supertom.com>
Message-ID: <013901c37b66$d93cb1a0$3500a8c0@com1>

Tom,

No, problem doesn't occur in small pdf, script can generate file upto 2-3 MB
of size that includes images and data. So Problem arise only when it is
required to have PDF above 3 MB. During this process my script also
interacts with Perl script that manipulates my images and php script uses
those images in generating PDF. Hence 2 scripts working together.

Thanks

Anirudh Zala


----- Original Message -----
From: <tom at supertom.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, 12 September, 2003 5:31 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Script terminates after certain amount of time
period


> Anirudh,
>
> If you try this with a "small" PDF (like 1 page, light graphics), do you
> still have the same results?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Anirudh Zala
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 4:07 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Script terminates after certain amount of time
> period
>
>
> Thanks all,
>
> BUT nothing is working. I have also increased memory limit upto 20MB, and
> tried all of your's suggestions, but still result is 0. While testing this
> script on Netscape and other browser same error occures except message is
> different that "Document contains no data".
>
> Looks like it needs huge amount of memory resources as finally over 15 MB
> PDF document is to be created by that script. Perhaps Apache or Php is not
> able to handle this much amount of data in memory. Any other suggestions
> will be welcomed.
>
> Thanks
>
> Anirudh Zala
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <tom at supertom.com>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, 09 September, 2003 9:02 PM
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Script terminates after certain amount of time
> period
>
>
> > Chris is right, I would pull it up in another browser, just to make sure
> > that you are actually getting the real error message.
> >
> > Also, depending on how big the PDF files are that are being created, you
> may
> > want to look into the memory limit entry in php.ini, to make sure that
you
> > have enough to allow the PDF to be created.
> >
> > memory_limit = 8M      ; Maximum amount of memory a script may consume
> (8MB)
> >
> > Sorry, I came into this post late, please excuse me if this has already
> been
> > suggested.
> >
> > Good Luck!
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ***************************************************
> > What's Tom listening to right now?  Find out here:
> > http://www.supertom.com/current_track.php
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
> > [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Chris Shiflett
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 11:19 AM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Script terminates after certain amount of time
> > period
> >
> >
> > --- Anirudh Zala <xml at aumcomputers.com> wrote:
> > > Chris, As i have mentioned, it is also not working at all, just "Page
> > > can not be displayed" after few mins. Looks like browser loose
> > > connection with server.
> >
> > Read my response again. Specifically:
> >
> > > > 2. Are you using IE? Don't.
> >
> > What I meant by this is that IE is likely giving you the BS error
message,
> > and
> > it isn't the least bit helpful. In fact, it is usually very misleading.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > =====
> > Become a better Web developer with the HTTP Developer's Handbook
> > http://httphandbook.org/
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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> >
>
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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Mon Sep 15 07:17:32 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 07:17:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Off topic but...I have a small JSP project
Message-ID: <000601c37b7a$f4fd1880$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Please contact me "off list" if you have the skills needed.

Jeff Siegel



From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Mon Sep 15 08:02:37 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:02:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS - Virtual Hosting on Windows
Message-ID: <001d01c37b81$41313f50$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

We're at the final version for the article on virtual hosting 
(See v. 1.4 at:
http://cvs.nyphp.org/cvsweb.cgi/fundamentals/virtual_hosting.txt ) and
the question has come up concerning doing virtual hosting on a Windows
server in a development environment. 
So.......we're looking for volunteers to write this piece of the
article. Who's ready to "step up to the plate"?

Jeff Siegel



From nyphp at websapp.com  Mon Sep 15 08:12:42 2003
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:12:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS - Virtual Hosting on Windows
In-Reply-To: <001d01c37b81$41313f50$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <KHEIIHMNNIFIGCMGGFDJGELDKPAA.nyphp@websapp.com>

> We're at the final version for the article on virtual hosting
> (See v. 1.4 at:
> http://cvs.nyphp.org/cvsweb.cgi/fundamentals/virtual_hosting.txt ) and


There is still a tight connection between the original document root and the
virtual host document roots. Quote:
"Therefore, different projects will be in their own subdirectories under
/var/www/html"

This may be misleading and inaccurate. VirtualHost 1 can have a document
root: /home/var/www and VirtualHost 2 can have a document root:
/var/dev/site. Projects or Virtual Hosts are not necessarily sub directories
of the original document root.



> the question has come up concerning doing virtual hosting on a Windows
> server in a development environment.
> So.......we're looking for volunteers to write this piece of the
> article. Who's ready to "step up to the plate"?

Windows Apache has the same httpd.conf and therefore there is not
difference.

--Daniel





From tom at supertom.com  Mon Sep 15 08:19:20 2003
From: tom at supertom.com (tom at supertom.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:19:20 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Script terminates after certain amount of time period
In-Reply-To: <013901c37b66$d93cb1a0$3500a8c0@com1>
Message-ID: <LBEDJMJGLEPEKJAJMHBDEEFLFOAA.tom@supertom.com>

If it doesn't occur in a smaller PDF, then your code probably isn't the
problem, but one of those php.ini settings is.  Raise the memory limit to a
large number (like 50MB) and see if it works at all.  If you are on Unix,
you can use top to monitor how much memory and CPU that httpd thread is
actually using.

Tom





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-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Anirudh Zala
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:50 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Script terminates after certain amount of time
period


Tom,

No, problem doesn't occur in small pdf, script can generate file upto 2-3 MB
of size that includes images and data. So Problem arise only when it is
required to have PDF above 3 MB. During this process my script also
interacts with Perl script that manipulates my images and php script uses
those images in generating PDF. Hence 2 scripts working together.

Thanks

Anirudh Zala


----- Original Message -----
From: <tom at supertom.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, 12 September, 2003 5:31 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Script terminates after certain amount of time
period


> Anirudh,
>
> If you try this with a "small" PDF (like 1 page, light graphics), do you
> still have the same results?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>
> ***************************************************
> What's Tom listening to right now?  Find out here:
> http://www.supertom.com/current_track.php
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Anirudh Zala
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 4:07 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Script terminates after certain amount of time
> period
>
>
> Thanks all,
>
> BUT nothing is working. I have also increased memory limit upto 20MB, and
> tried all of your's suggestions, but still result is 0. While testing this
> script on Netscape and other browser same error occures except message is
> different that "Document contains no data".
>
> Looks like it needs huge amount of memory resources as finally over 15 MB
> PDF document is to be created by that script. Perhaps Apache or Php is not
> able to handle this much amount of data in memory. Any other suggestions
> will be welcomed.
>
> Thanks
>
> Anirudh Zala
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <tom at supertom.com>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, 09 September, 2003 9:02 PM
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Script terminates after certain amount of time
> period
>
>
> > Chris is right, I would pull it up in another browser, just to make sure
> > that you are actually getting the real error message.
> >
> > Also, depending on how big the PDF files are that are being created, you
> may
> > want to look into the memory limit entry in php.ini, to make sure that
you
> > have enough to allow the PDF to be created.
> >
> > memory_limit = 8M      ; Maximum amount of memory a script may consume
> (8MB)
> >
> > Sorry, I came into this post late, please excuse me if this has already
> been
> > suggested.
> >
> > Good Luck!
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ***************************************************
> > What's Tom listening to right now?  Find out here:
> > http://www.supertom.com/current_track.php
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
> > [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Chris Shiflett
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 11:19 AM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Script terminates after certain amount of time
> > period
> >
> >
> > --- Anirudh Zala <xml at aumcomputers.com> wrote:
> > > Chris, As i have mentioned, it is also not working at all, just "Page
> > > can not be displayed" after few mins. Looks like browser loose
> > > connection with server.
> >
> > Read my response again. Specifically:
> >
> > > > 2. Are you using IE? Don't.
> >
> > What I meant by this is that IE is likely giving you the BS error
message,
> > and
> > it isn't the least bit helpful. In fact, it is usually very misleading.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > =====
> > Become a better Web developer with the HTTP Developer's Handbook
> > http://httphandbook.org/
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From hans at nyphp.org  Mon Sep 15 08:36:06 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:36:06 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS - Virtual Hosting on Windows
In-Reply-To: <KHEIIHMNNIFIGCMGGFDJGELDKPAA.nyphp@websapp.com>
References: <KHEIIHMNNIFIGCMGGFDJGELDKPAA.nyphp@websapp.com>
Message-ID: <3F65B236.3090608@nyphp.org>


>>the question has come up concerning doing virtual hosting on a Windows
>>server in a development environment.
>>So.......we're looking for volunteers to write this piece of the
>>article. Who's ready to "step up to the plate"?
> 
> 
> Windows Apache has the same httpd.conf and therefore there is not
> difference.

I think he was asking for someone to outline these facts in a quick appendix text.  Just with a couple examples so people can see the path differences, and any tips when working under Windows vs UNIX (for instance, I always hear the different slashes are a problem).

Thanks  :)

H




From pl at eskimo.com  Mon Sep 15 09:50:27 2003
From: pl at eskimo.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:50:27 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS - Virtual Hosting on Windows
References: <001d01c37b81$41313f50$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <019801c37b90$54b59800$332c0242@peter1>

I remember some posts back a while of Chris Hendry giving advice on setting
up virtual hosting on windows.

Peter Lehrer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 8:02 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS - Virtual Hosting on Windows


> We're at the final version for the article on virtual hosting
> (See v. 1.4 at:
> http://cvs.nyphp.org/cvsweb.cgi/fundamentals/virtual_hosting.txt ) and
> the question has come up concerning doing virtual hosting on a Windows
> server in a development environment.
> So.......we're looking for volunteers to write this piece of the
> article. Who's ready to "step up to the plate"?
>
> Jeff Siegel
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>



From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Mon Sep 15 10:55:41 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:55:41 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Preg_match email address
Message-ID: <003101c37b99$6ed63290$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

I'm hoping those who are more adept at regular expressions could tell me
if this will validate the majority of email addresses...it seems like it
will but...

'/^[ a-z0-9-_]+(.[
a-z0-9-_]+)*@[a-z0-9-]+(.[a-z0-9-_]+)*(.[a-z]{2,3})$/i',

Thanks,

Jeff Siegel



From eric.cogswell at innlink.com  Mon Sep 15 11:11:29 2003
From: eric.cogswell at innlink.com (Cogswell, Eric)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:11:29 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Preg_match email address
Message-ID: <C33C210B505AE448ACDB84D71C45E23D7F26AF@shosv2b.sholodge.corp>

Try this:

	^([[:alnum:]]|_|\.|-)+@([[:alnum:]]|\.|-)+(\.)([a-z]{2,4})$

It seems to work for me.


-Eric



-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff [mailto:jsiegel1 at optonline.net]
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 9:56 AM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Preg_match email address


I'm hoping those who are more adept at regular expressions could tell me
if this will validate the majority of email addresses...it seems like it
will but...

'/^[ a-z0-9-_]+(.[
a-z0-9-_]+)*@[a-z0-9-]+(.[a-z0-9-_]+)*(.[a-z]{2,3})$/i',

Thanks,

Jeff Siegel

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From pl at eskimo.com  Mon Sep 15 11:17:11 2003
From: pl at eskimo.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:17:11 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Preg_match email address
References: <003101c37b99$6ed63290$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <028901c37b9c$752b6a40$332c0242@peter1>

I would go with {2,4} at the end of your expression because there are some
domains like .info that have 4 characters.

Peter Lehrer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 10:55 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Preg_match email address


> I'm hoping those who are more adept at regular expressions could tell me
> if this will validate the majority of email addresses...it seems like it
> will but...
>
> '/^[ a-z0-9-_]+(.[
> a-z0-9-_]+)*@[a-z0-9-]+(.[a-z0-9-_]+)*(.[a-z]{2,3})$/i',
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff Siegel
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>



From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Mon Sep 15 11:26:29 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:26:29 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS - Virtual Hosting on Windows
In-Reply-To: <019801c37b90$54b59800$332c0242@peter1>
Message-ID: <003401c37b9d$bc62cf60$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

So...Chris Hendry...are you interested in writing a few paragraphs?

Jeff Siegel

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Peter Lehrer
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 8:50 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS - Virtual Hosting on Windows


I remember some posts back a while of Chris Hendry giving advice on
setting
up virtual hosting on windows.

Peter Lehrer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 8:02 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS - Virtual Hosting on Windows


> We're at the final version for the article on virtual hosting
> (See v. 1.4 at:
> http://cvs.nyphp.org/cvsweb.cgi/fundamentals/virtual_hosting.txt ) and
> the question has come up concerning doing virtual hosting on a Windows
> server in a development environment.
> So.......we're looking for volunteers to write this piece of the
> article. Who's ready to "step up to the plate"?
>
> Jeff Siegel
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>

_______________________________________________
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talk at lists.nyphp.org
http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From sklar at sklar.com  Mon Sep 15 11:32:31 2003
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:32:31 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Preg_match email address
In-Reply-To: <003101c37b99$6ed63290$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJCEBNGLAA.sklar@sklar.com>

On Monday, September 15, 2003 10:56 AM,  wrote:

> I'm hoping those who are more adept at regular expressions could tell
> me if this will validate the majority of email addresses...it seems
> like it will but...
>
> '/^[ a-z0-9-_]+(.[
> a-z0-9-_]+)*@[a-z0-9-]+(.[a-z0-9-_]+)*(.[a-z]{2,3})$/i',

This regex is too broad. You need to escape the periods in the regex so they
match just ".", not any character. You allow usernames that begin with "
" -- do you really want that? The regex also allows domain names that begin
with "-", e.g. foo at -bar.com, which are not valid. Some mail servers allow
individual users to create aliases by appending their username with a "+",
i.e. "foo+list at bar.com", "foo+shop at bar.com" -- your regex does not allow +
signs in usernames.

I know this has come up on the list before, but I'll put in a recommendation
for using the techniques discussed in Recipe 13.5 in PHP Cookbook. There are
two regexes there and some other techniques for verifying addresses, along
with the plusses and minuses of each. If you don't own a copy of PHP
Cookbook (why not?!:) you can download the example code from
http://examples.oreilly.com/phpckbk/phpcbbk_examples.zip

David



From crisscott at netzero.com  Mon Sep 15 11:32:47 2003
From: crisscott at netzero.com (crisscott at netzero.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 15:32:47 GMT
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Preg_match email address
Message-ID: <20030915.083335.2345.338872@webmail04.lax.untd.com>


>Try this:
>
>	^([[:alnum:]]|_|\.|-)+@([[:alnum:]]|\.|-)+(\.)([a-z]{2,4})$
>
>It seems to work for me.

Correct me if I am wrong but won't ([[:alnum:]]|_|\.|-)+ match things like name.._ at domain.com or . at domain.com?  I don't think this regexp requires letters first and lets you have multiple .'s in a row.

Scott Mattocks


From pl at eskimo.com  Mon Sep 15 11:38:36 2003
From: pl at eskimo.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:38:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS - Virtual Hosting on Windows
References: <003401c37b9d$bc62cf60$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <02aa01c37b9f$74498e60$332c0242@peter1>

Check the posts on nyphp-talk for 5/22/03 and the thread "Need virtual host
Apache help ...". You may find some info there.

Peter Lehrer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 11:26 AM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS - Virtual Hosting on Windows


> So...Chris Hendry...are you interested in writing a few paragraphs?
>
> Jeff Siegel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
> On Behalf Of Peter Lehrer
> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 8:50 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS - Virtual Hosting on Windows
>
>
> I remember some posts back a while of Chris Hendry giving advice on
> setting
> up virtual hosting on windows.
>
> Peter Lehrer
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff" <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
> To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 8:02 AM
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS - Virtual Hosting on Windows
>
>
> > We're at the final version for the article on virtual hosting
> > (See v. 1.4 at:
> > http://cvs.nyphp.org/cvsweb.cgi/fundamentals/virtual_hosting.txt ) and
> > the question has come up concerning doing virtual hosting on a Windows
> > server in a development environment.
> > So.......we're looking for volunteers to write this piece of the
> > article. Who's ready to "step up to the plate"?
> >
> > Jeff Siegel
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>



From csnyder at chxo.com  Mon Sep 15 11:40:38 2003
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:40:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Preg_match email address
In-Reply-To: <028901c37b9c$752b6a40$332c0242@peter1>
References: <003101c37b99$6ed63290$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
	<028901c37b9c$752b6a40$332c0242@peter1>
Message-ID: <3F65DD76.7000809@chxo.com>

And let's not forget good old .museum weighing in at 7 culture-packed 
letters.


Peter Lehrer wrote:

>I would go with {2,4} at the end of your expression because there are some
>domains like .info that have 4 characters.
>
>Peter Lehrer
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jeff" <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
>To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
>Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 10:55 AM
>Subject: [nycphp-talk] Preg_match email address
>
>
>  
>
>>I'm hoping those who are more adept at regular expressions could tell me
>>if this will validate the majority of email addresses...it seems like it
>>will but...
>>
>>'/^[ a-z0-9-_]+(.[
>>a-z0-9-_]+)*@[a-z0-9-]+(.[a-z0-9-_]+)*(.[a-z]{2,3})$/i',
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Jeff Siegel
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>talk mailing list
>>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>>    
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>  
>



From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Mon Sep 15 11:53:24 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:53:24 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Preg_match email address
In-Reply-To: <003101c37b99$6ed63290$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
References: <003101c37b99$6ed63290$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <20030915155324.GA16204@panix.com>

Hi Jeff:

The original expression in the prior thread works (barring it'll allow 
addresses starting with punctuation).

So, I'm guessing you haven't tracked down what's going on with the www. 
email addresses.  You didn't reply to my email in that thread dated 9/11.  
Guess you didn't see it...

From: Analysis & Solutions <danielc at analysisandsolutions.com>
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 01:26:26 -0400
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Sneaking in unwanted characters

On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 03:34:55PM -0400, Jeff wrote:
>
> Somehow someone managed to sneak through an email address with a www at
> the beginning and I'm a bit puzzled as to how they managed to do it.  

You posted the actual address later on in the thread.  What happens if you      
put in that email address yourself?  Does it get through?

If so, then there's definitely a flaw in the code.  Perhaps the variable
being checked isn't the same as the one that gets used.

If not, maybe there's some other older version of the scripts laying
around that the person in question used.      

--Dan

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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Mon Sep 15 11:56:55 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:56:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Preg_match email address
In-Reply-To: <C33C210B505AE448ACDB84D71C45E23D7F26AF@shosv2b.sholodge.corp>
Message-ID: <003701c37ba1$fc9bdcd0$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

It's a heck of a lot more intelligible than what I concocted...I'll give
it a shot.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Cogswell, Eric
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 10:11 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Preg_match email address


Try this:

	^([[:alnum:]]|_|\.|-)+@([[:alnum:]]|\.|-)+(\.)([a-z]{2,4})$

It seems to work for me.


-Eric



-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff [mailto:jsiegel1 at optonline.net]
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 9:56 AM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Preg_match email address


I'm hoping those who are more adept at regular expressions could tell me
if this will validate the majority of email addresses...it seems like it
will but...

'/^[ a-z0-9-_]+(.[
a-z0-9-_]+)*@[a-z0-9-]+(.[a-z0-9-_]+)*(.[a-z]{2,3})$/i',

Thanks,

Jeff Siegel

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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Mon Sep 15 11:56:55 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:56:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Preg_match email address
In-Reply-To: <028901c37b9c$752b6a40$332c0242@peter1>
Message-ID: <003801c37ba1$febdd270$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

The "2,4" makes sense. Thanks for pointing it out.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Peter Lehrer
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 10:17 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Preg_match email address


I would go with {2,4} at the end of your expression because there are
some
domains like .info that have 4 characters.

Peter Lehrer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 10:55 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Preg_match email address


> I'm hoping those who are more adept at regular expressions could tell
me
> if this will validate the majority of email addresses...it seems like
it
> will but...
>
> '/^[ a-z0-9-_]+(.[
> a-z0-9-_]+)*@[a-z0-9-]+(.[a-z0-9-_]+)*(.[a-z]{2,3})$/i',
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff Siegel
>
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From stephen at musgrave.org  Mon Sep 15 12:39:12 2003
From: stephen at musgrave.org (Stephen Musgrave)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:39:12 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PayPal IPN Class?
Message-ID: <BB8B6370.10742%stephen@musgrave.org>


Can anybody recommend a PayPal IPN processing class?

Thanks,


Stephen Musgrave

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//  http://musgrave.org
//  718-486-6514



From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Mon Sep 15 12:57:08 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:57:08 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Preg_match email address
In-Reply-To: <20030915155324.GA16204@panix.com>
Message-ID: <003901c37baa$661fe950$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

My faux pas for not responding to your other email...there *was* some
old code hangin' around and I had gotten rid of that.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Analysis & Solutions
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 10:53 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Preg_match email address


Hi Jeff:

The original expression in the prior thread works (barring it'll allow 
addresses starting with punctuation).

So, I'm guessing you haven't tracked down what's going on with the www. 
email addresses.  You didn't reply to my email in that thread dated
9/11.  
Guess you didn't see it...

From: Analysis & Solutions <danielc at analysisandsolutions.com>
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 01:26:26 -0400
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Sneaking in unwanted characters

On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 03:34:55PM -0400, Jeff wrote:
>
> Somehow someone managed to sneak through an email address with a www
at
> the beginning and I'm a bit puzzled as to how they managed to do it.  

You posted the actual address later on in the thread.  What happens if
you      
put in that email address yourself?  Does it get through?

If so, then there's definitely a flaw in the code.  Perhaps the variable
being checked isn't the same as the one that gets used.

If not, maybe there's some other older version of the scripts laying
around that the person in question used.      

--Dan

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From pl at eskimo.com  Mon Sep 15 13:12:02 2003
From: pl at eskimo.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:12:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fatal error when trying to connect to db using DB/MySQL
Message-ID: <02fa01c37bac$7cddae00$332c0242@peter1>

Hi,
I have PEAR and DB installed on my Windows 98 box and I get an error message when trying to use the
DB/mysql.php function db_connect:

include_once("DB/mysql.php");
$dbh = db_connect(array($db_host,$db_user,$db_password));
if (!$dbh) {
 die("Cannot connect to database");
}

The error message is:

Fatal error: Class db_common: Cannot inherit from undefined class pear in C:\php\pear\DB-1.3\DB\common.php on line 29

I checked line 29 of common.php and there is:

"class DB_common extends PEAR"


Does anyone know what the problem could be? I have installed PEAR-1.0 and DB-1. Both are installed in the directory 
C:\PHP\pear


Yours,

Peter Lehrer
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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Mon Sep 15 13:22:52 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:22:52 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS - Virtual Hosting on Windows
In-Reply-To: <02aa01c37b9f$74498e60$332c0242@peter1>
Message-ID: <003d01c37bad$fe79ce20$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Thank you...found the thread.

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Peter Lehrer
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 10:39 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS - Virtual Hosting on Windows


Check the posts on nyphp-talk for 5/22/03 and the thread "Need virtual
host
Apache help ...". You may find some info there.

Peter Lehrer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 11:26 AM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS - Virtual Hosting on Windows


> So...Chris Hendry...are you interested in writing a few paragraphs?
>
> Jeff Siegel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
> On Behalf Of Peter Lehrer
> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 8:50 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS - Virtual Hosting on Windows
>
>
> I remember some posts back a while of Chris Hendry giving advice on
> setting
> up virtual hosting on windows.
>
> Peter Lehrer
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff" <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
> To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 8:02 AM
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] FUNDAMENTALS - Virtual Hosting on Windows
>
>
> > We're at the final version for the article on virtual hosting
> > (See v. 1.4 at:
> > http://cvs.nyphp.org/cvsweb.cgi/fundamentals/virtual_hosting.txt )
and
> > the question has come up concerning doing virtual hosting on a
Windows
> > server in a development environment.
> > So.......we're looking for volunteers to write this piece of the
> > article. Who's ready to "step up to the plate"?
> >
> > Jeff Siegel
> >
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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Mon Sep 15 13:22:52 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:22:52 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Preg_match email address
In-Reply-To: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJCEBNGLAA.sklar@sklar.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c37bad$fec61960$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Thanks for pointing this out (I think you may have pointed it out in the
earlier thread on this issue).

Jeff Siegel

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of David Sklar
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 10:33 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Preg_match email address


On Monday, September 15, 2003 10:56 AM,  wrote:

> I'm hoping those who are more adept at regular expressions could tell
> me if this will validate the majority of email addresses...it seems
> like it will but...
>
> '/^[ a-z0-9-_]+(.[
> a-z0-9-_]+)*@[a-z0-9-]+(.[a-z0-9-_]+)*(.[a-z]{2,3})$/i',

This regex is too broad. You need to escape the periods in the regex so
they
match just ".", not any character. You allow usernames that begin with "
" -- do you really want that? The regex also allows domain names that
begin
with "-", e.g. foo at -bar.com, which are not valid. Some mail servers
allow
individual users to create aliases by appending their username with a
"+",
i.e. "foo+list at bar.com", "foo+shop at bar.com" -- your regex does not allow
+
signs in usernames.

I know this has come up on the list before, but I'll put in a
recommendation
for using the techniques discussed in Recipe 13.5 in PHP Cookbook. There
are
two regexes there and some other techniques for verifying addresses,
along
with the plusses and minuses of each. If you don't own a copy of PHP
Cookbook (why not?!:) you can download the example code from
http://examples.oreilly.com/phpckbk/phpcbbk_examples.zip

David

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From pl at eskimo.com  Mon Sep 15 13:29:30 2003
From: pl at eskimo.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:29:30 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] master_value include path
Message-ID: <035401c37bae$ef034240$332c0242@peter1>

Does anyone know how to specify the mast value include path in your script instead of the local value include path?

Peter L.
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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Mon Sep 15 14:13:21 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 14:13:21 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fatal error when trying to connect to db using
	DB/MySQL
In-Reply-To: <02fa01c37bac$7cddae00$332c0242@peter1>
References: <02fa01c37bac$7cddae00$332c0242@peter1>
Message-ID: <20030915181321.GA6613@panix.com>

Peter:

On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 01:12:02PM -0400, Peter Lehrer wrote:
> 
> Fatal error: Class db_common: Cannot inherit from undefined class pear 
> in C:\php\pear\DB-1.3\DB\common.php on line 29
> 
> I checked line 29 of common.php and there is:
> 
> "class DB_common extends PEAR"

The error message says it all.  Line 29 is creating a new class that 
extends a class named PEAR.  Unfortunately, the class named pear could not 
be found.  It's kind of hard to extend something that can't be found, so 
PHP says so and stops.

Now, the question is WHY the PEAR class can't be found.  I'd guess your 
include path doesn't match your installation.  Or, perhaps, you botched 
your installation all together.

--Dan

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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Sun Sep 14 13:52:59 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:52:59 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [ot] sftp + scp with linux ...
In-Reply-To: <20030915181321.GA6613@panix.com>
References: <02fa01c37bac$7cddae00$332c0242@peter1>
	<20030915181321.GA6613@panix.com>
Message-ID: <200309141352.59933.jonbaer@jonbaer.net>

sorry for the off the wall + off topic questions ... but ...

im on rh8 w/kde3 + i have been normally doing scp/sftp'ng php files through 
bash scripts/cli and someone the other day showed me that sftp:// and fish:// 
work 
directly through the kde browser konqueror and was left feeling pretty dumb so 
i went home to attempt it and it doesn't seem to work so well + just hangs 
(although normal sftp via command line works) ...

anyone had experience with it?  the drop + drag worked smoothly on this guys 
machine + i thought id just have to dump my key onto the server but that 
wasn't it ... stumped ...

the only item i could find on google was that knoppix setups had the same 
issue ... http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4161&view=previous

- jon


From frankaltea at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 15 14:39:17 2003
From: frankaltea at yahoo.com (Francisco Altea)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:39:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] recommend something CMS-ish
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.56.0309121503380.12385@panix5.panix.com>
Message-ID: <20030915183917.84259.qmail@web80507.mail.yahoo.com>

You might want to check out eZ publish- www.ez.no .  It is a full-featured CMS and web-application framework. It is based on templates and has a modular design which can be extended to fit any web application. 

David Mintz <dmintz at panix.com> wrote:
Hey y'all.

Today I'm looking for recommendations for something that I guess they call
a Content Management System, a thing that will allow clients themselves to
edit their own HTML pages (or Smarty templates as the case may be) so I
don't have to do it, and without them having to have a shell or FTP
account on the shared server where their sites live -- i.e.,
browser-based. They should be able to upload, download, move/copy/delete
files and directories, and edit things in place as well (if they're
fearless and foolish like... some people).

If it's something that runs as me (as I imagine it will have to), then it
should also feature activity logging so we'll know whom to point the
finger at when something gets broken.

Setup should be reasonably easy, the appearance should be easy to
customize and it should cost, oh, I don't know, how about US$0.00 ?

I've read a little about PostNuke and it seems like a 250-pound Swiss army
knife -- but if it's just monsterously fabulous, OK I'll take it.

I'm doing some homework at
http://www.thefreecountry.com/php/contentmanagement.shtml but I thought
I'd ask here as well.

Thanks.

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From pl at eskimo.com  Mon Sep 15 14:39:45 2003
From: pl at eskimo.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 14:39:45 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fatal error when trying to connect to db
	usingDB/MySQL
References: <02fa01c37bac$7cddae00$332c0242@peter1>
	<20030915181321.GA6613@panix.com>
Message-ID: <03bc01c37bb8$bf3dc080$332c0242@peter1>

I got it to work by including PEAR.php. That was the problem. Sorry about
the HTML.

Thanks,
Peter L.
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From: "Analysis & Solutions" <danielc at analysisandsolutions.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Fatal error when trying to connect to db
usingDB/MySQL


> Peter:
>
> On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 01:12:02PM -0400, Peter Lehrer wrote:
> >
> > Fatal error: Class db_common: Cannot inherit from undefined class pear
> > in C:\php\pear\DB-1.3\DB\common.php on line 29
> >
> > I checked line 29 of common.php and there is:
> >
> > "class DB_common extends PEAR"
>
> The error message says it all.  Line 29 is creating a new class that
> extends a class named PEAR.  Unfortunately, the class named pear could not
> be found.  It's kind of hard to extend something that can't be found, so
> PHP says so and stops.
>
> Now, the question is WHY the PEAR class can't be found.  I'd guess your
> include path doesn't match your installation.  Or, perhaps, you botched
> your installation all together.
>
> --Dan
>
> PS:  Ditch the HTML email.  See http://www.expita.com/nomime.html
>
> --
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From frankaltea at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 15 14:59:29 2003
From: frankaltea at yahoo.com (Francisco Altea)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:59:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PayPal IPN Class?
In-Reply-To: <BB8B6370.10742%stephen@musgrave.org>
Message-ID: <20030915185929.89150.qmail@web80507.mail.yahoo.com>

This could be useful, but it was written for osCommerce.
http://www.oscommerce.com/community/contributions,1466/page,6


Stephen Musgrave <stephen at musgrave.org> wrote:

Can anybody recommend a PayPal IPN processing class?

Thanks,


Stephen Musgrave

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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Sun Sep 14 22:48:44 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 22:48:44 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Getting bombed w/ email
Message-ID: <002a01c37b33$e15839f0$6700a8c0@thinkpad>

is anyone else on this list receiving tons of rejections from TZO Mailer for
pjmatthews at gotojml.com from talk at lists.php.org?

- jon

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From dan at mx2pro.com  Mon Sep 15 23:32:42 2003
From: dan at mx2pro.com (Dan Horning)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 23:32:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Getting bombed w/ email
In-Reply-To: <002a01c37b33$e15839f0$6700a8c0@thinkpad>
Message-ID: <000001c37c03$30ec8960$6500a8c0@RobsVaio>

I am
-dan H
-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of jon baer
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 10:49 PM
To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Getting bombed w/ email

is anyone else on this list receiving tons of rejections from TZO Mailer
for
pjmatthews at gotojml.com from talk at lists.php.org?

- jon

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From dorgan at optonline.net  Mon Sep 15 23:34:51 2003
From: dorgan at optonline.net (Donald J. Organ IV)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 23:34:51 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Getting bombed w/ email
References: <000001c37c03$30ec8960$6500a8c0@RobsVaio>
Message-ID: <002601c37c03$7d429ed0$c801a8c0@dj>

me too!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Horning" <dan at mx2pro.com>
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 11:32 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Getting bombed w/ email


> I am
> -dan H
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
> On Behalf Of jon baer
> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 10:49 PM
> To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Getting bombed w/ email
> 
> is anyone else on this list receiving tons of rejections from TZO Mailer
> for
> pjmatthews at gotojml.com from talk at lists.php.org?
> 
> - jon
> 
> pgp key: http://www.jonbaer.net/jonbaer.asc
> fingerprint: F438 A47E C45E 8B27 F68C 1F9B 41DB DB8B 9A0C AF47
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
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From csnyder at chxo.com  Mon Sep 15 23:52:30 2003
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 23:52:30 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Getting bombed w/ email
In-Reply-To: <002a01c37b33$e15839f0$6700a8c0@thinkpad>
References: <002a01c37b33$e15839f0$6700a8c0@thinkpad>
Message-ID: <3F6688FE.7010207@chxo.com>

This is the result of a broken mailer at tzo.com that is ignoring 
Mailman's "Errors-to:" header and sending undeliverable messages to the 
original sender instead.

We should probably be bombarding postmaster at tzo.com with requests to fix 
their mailer so that it does the right thing when mailing-list messages 
bounce.

    csnyder.

jon baer wrote:

>is anyone else on this list receiving tons of rejections from TZO Mailer for
>pjmatthews at gotojml.com from talk at lists.php.org?
>
>- jon
>
>pgp key: http://www.jonbaer.net/jonbaer.asc
>fingerprint: F438 A47E C45E 8B27 F68C 1F9B 41DB DB8B 9A0C AF47
>
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>talk mailing list
>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>  
>



From mwithington at PLMresearch.com  Tue Sep 16 00:18:32 2003
From: mwithington at PLMresearch.com (Mark Withington)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:18:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Getting bombed w/ email
Message-ID: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE3587CEDF1@network.PLMresearch.com>

same here

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-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Donald J. Organ IV
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 11:35 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Getting bombed w/ email


me too!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Horning" <dan at mx2pro.com>
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 11:32 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Getting bombed w/ email


> I am
> -dan H
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
> On Behalf Of jon baer
> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 10:49 PM
> To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Getting bombed w/ email
> 
> is anyone else on this list receiving tons of rejections from TZO Mailer
> for
> pjmatthews at gotojml.com from talk at lists.php.org?
> 
> - jon
> 
> pgp key: http://www.jonbaer.net/jonbaer.asc
> fingerprint: F438 A47E C45E 8B27 F68C 1F9B 41DB DB8B 9A0C AF47
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> talk at lists.nyphp.org
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From bpang at bpang.com  Tue Sep 16 00:54:23 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:54:23 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Getting bombed w/ email
Message-ID: <E19z7r5-0003d0-Gy@rslrs1-server.com>

me too
it sucks



From cmerlo at ncc.edu  Tue Sep 16 01:43:33 2003
From: cmerlo at ncc.edu (Christopher R. Merlo)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 01:43:33 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Getting bombed w/ email
In-Reply-To: <002a01c37b33$e15839f0$6700a8c0@thinkpad>
References: <002a01c37b33$e15839f0$6700a8c0@thinkpad>
Message-ID: <20030916054333.GA9035@ncc.edu>

Yeah.  What's really weird is that the message that got bounced was
from July.  I hope that doesn't mean that more is on the way.  :(
-c

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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Tue Sep 16 06:37:38 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 06:37:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Getting bombed w/ email
In-Reply-To: <20030916054333.GA9035@ncc.edu>
Message-ID: <001a01c37c3e$8ce06a80$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Well...looks like I'm not the only one getting whacked with months old
bounced messages.

Jeff Siegel

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Christopher R. Merlo
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 12:44 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Getting bombed w/ email


Yeah.  What's really weird is that the message that got bounced was
from July.  I hope that doesn't mean that more is on the way.  :(
-c

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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Mon Sep 15 08:15:52 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:15:52 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Getting bombed w/ email
In-Reply-To: <20030916054333.GA9035@ncc.edu>
References: <002a01c37b33$e15839f0$6700a8c0@thinkpad>
	<20030916054333.GA9035@ncc.edu>
Message-ID: <200309150815.52919.jonbaer@jonbaer.net>

Yeah same here, extremely *old* messages ... right now im feeling bad for 
Phil, I wonder if he knows what he is in for =)  

- Jon

On Tuesday 16 September 2003 01:43, Christopher R. Merlo wrote:
> Yeah.  What's really weird is that the message that got bounced was
> from July.  I hope that doesn't mean that more is on the way.  :(
> -c



From dmintz at panix.com  Tue Sep 16 09:35:08 2003
From: dmintz at panix.com (David Mintz)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:35:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] recommend something CMS-ish
In-Reply-To: <20030915183917.84259.qmail@web80507.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030915183917.84259.qmail@web80507.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.56.0309160934260.29730@panix5.panix.com>


Thanks, I will give it a look.

On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Francisco Altea wrote:

> You might want to check out eZ publish- www.ez.no .  It is a full-featured CMS and web-application framework. It is based on templates and has a modular design which can be extended to fit any web application.
>
> David Mintz <dmintz at panix.com> wrote:
> Hey y'all.
>
> Today I'm looking for recommendations for something that I guess they call
> a Content Management System, a thing that will allow clients themselves to
> edit their own HTML pages (or Smarty templates as the case may be) so I
> don't have to do it, and without them having to have a shell or FTP
> account on the shared server where their sites live -- i.e.,
> browser-based. They should be able to upload, download, move/copy/delete
> files and directories, and edit things in place as well (if they're
> fearless and foolish like... some people).
>
<snip />


From hans at nyphp.org  Tue Sep 16 09:54:39 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:54:39 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Getting bombed w/ email
In-Reply-To: <3F6688FE.7010207@chxo.com>
References: <002a01c37b33$e15839f0$6700a8c0@thinkpad>
	<3F6688FE.7010207@chxo.com>
Message-ID: <3F67161F.7040804@nyphp.org>



Chris Snyder wrote:

> This is the result of a broken mailer at tzo.com that is ignoring 
> Mailman's "Errors-to:" header and sending undeliverable messages to the 
> original sender instead.
> 
> We should probably be bombarding postmaster at tzo.com with requests to fix 
> their mailer so that it does the right thing when mailing-list messages 
> bounce.

We should, and I have.  His address has been removed from the list, but unfortunately there's nothing further we can do.

H




From mz34 at nyu.edu  Tue Sep 16 11:23:20 2003
From: mz34 at nyu.edu (Matthew Zimmerman)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 11:23:20 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] XSLT transformations with PHP
In-Reply-To: <20030915185929.89150.qmail@web80507.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B4572CC5-E859-11D7-BE81-00039344DCA8@nyu.edu>

Hey all,

Since last month's presentation was on XML validation and parsing, I 
wanted to contribute my own .02 to our knowledge base. I have been 
using PHP to do XSLT transformations and made a short "how to" that 
covers compiling PHP with the XSLT extension and also the basic code 
for doing an XSLT transformation in PHP. It is written at avery novice 
level since I am a novice myself, but hopefully someone on here might 
find it useful.

http://www.nyu.edu/its/humanities/docs/php_xslt.html

Matt



From carlos at sprout.net  Tue Sep 16 11:08:17 2003
From: carlos at sprout.net (Carlos G. Chiossone)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 11:08:17 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Delivery failure
Message-ID: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F141A705@email.sprout.net>

Guys any ideas why this bounced now? After weeks of sending it?

Carlos

-----Original Message-----
From: TZO Mailer [mailto:mailer at tzo.com]
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 9:36 PM
To: Carlos G. Chiossone
Subject: Delivery failure to pjmatthews at gotojml.com

Delivery was attempted, but failed because:
550 No Acceptable Recipients

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Original Message:
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

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From: "Carlos G. Chiossone" <carlos at sprout.net>
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Man this is hard; I guess I'll keep this buggy phpEdit after all. Not 2 =
of you used the same :)

c

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Robinson [mailto:kenrbnsn at rbnsn.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 3:21 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] PHP Editor

At 03:12 PM 7/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>Chris, you've asked for it:
>
>Zend Studio rules....

Yes, Zend Studio is excellent (with a great debugger) but it's way too
expensive for the struggling web designer with no money flow to buy. I =
used
the 3 week trial and got very used to it.

Now, I'm using Homesite5 and TopStyle 3 (combination CSS editor and
HTML/PHP editor written by the same person who originally wrote =
Homesite).

Ken

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From carlos at sprout.net  Tue Sep 16 11:08:56 2003
From: carlos at sprout.net (Carlos G. Chiossone)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 11:08:56 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Never mind
Message-ID: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F141A706@email.sprout.net>

I see now why it happened, sorry for not reading this first.

Carlos

-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:hans at nyphp.org]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 9:55 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Getting bombed w/ email


Chris Snyder wrote:

> This is the result of a broken mailer at tzo.com that is ignoring
> Mailman's "Errors-to:" header and sending undeliverable messages to the
> original sender instead.
>
> We should probably be bombarding postmaster at tzo.com with requests to fix
> their mailer so that it does the right thing when mailing-list messages
> bounce.

We should, and I have.  His address has been removed from the list, but unfortunately there's nothing further we can do.

H


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From carlos at sprout.net  Tue Sep 16 11:23:10 2003
From: carlos at sprout.net (Carlos G. Chiossone)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 11:23:10 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mail function in Linux-Apache
Message-ID: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F141F5DD@email.sprout.net>

Hi guys, thanks in advance for helping.

I am having strange issues with a Linux server running Apache. I can send emails from the command line using the mail command but when I try sending it from PHP it goes nowhere. I also don't get any errors neither on the Apache log file nor on the screen. My php.ini is set to give all errors and warnings and the mail is pointing to the correct directory where sendmail is, actually using the default path set by PHP.

These are some of the formats I tried in the php file:

mail("email at sprout.net","nothing at all","jkh kjhg kjygj kjhgkjhty kjhg kjh");

mail("email at sprout.net","nothing at all","jkh kjhg kjygj kjhgkjhty kjhg kjh", "From: carlos at sprout.net\r\n"."Reply-To: carlos at sprout.net<carlos at sprout.net>\r\n");

mail("email at sprout.net","nothing at all","jkh kjhg kjygj kjhgkjhty kjhg kjh", "From: carlos at sprout.net\r\n"."Reply-To: carlos at sprout.net<carlos at sprout.net>\r\n","-f cc at sprout.net");


Any ideas why the mail from PHP may not be going out? 

Thanks a lot,
Carlos


From hans at nyphp.org  Tue Sep 16 12:00:14 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:00:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mail function in Linux-Apache
In-Reply-To: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F141F5DD@email.sprout.net>
References: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F141F5DD@email.sprout.net>
Message-ID: <3F67338E.30608@nyphp.org>



Carlos G. Chiossone wrote:

> Hi guys, thanks in advance for helping.
> 
> I am having strange issues with a Linux server running Apache. I can send emails from the command line using the mail command but when I try sending it from PHP it goes nowhere. I also don't get any errors neither on the Apache log file nor on the screen. My php.ini is set to give all errors and warnings and the mail is pointing to the correct directory where sendmail is, actually using the default path set by PHP.

A couple things to try:

--- tail -f /var/log/maillog and see if there are any errors indicated while trying to send from Apache, versus the mail command line tool

--- can Apache (assuming you're running PHP as mod_php) execute the required sendmail, etc binaries?  Does it have the permissions?  su to the user Apache is running as and try the mail command again

--- in the php.ini are the settings correct?  I think the default is /usr/sbin/sendmail, which much exist and be executeable/readable by apache

HTH,

h




From carlos at sprout.net  Tue Sep 16 12:17:23 2003
From: carlos at sprout.net (Carlos G. Chiossone)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:17:23 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mail function in Linux-Apache
Message-ID: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F141F5DE@email.sprout.net>

Thanks Hans, 

Doing the tail -f does not give me anything when sending through PHP.
I am not able to su to apache, "user not available" have to wait for my linux guy to help me in that one.
And the php.ini settings do seem correct

[mail function]
; For Win32 only.
;SMTP = localhost

; For Win32 only.
;sendmail_from = me at localhost.com

; For Unix only.  You may supply arguments as well (default: "sendmail -t -i").
sendmail_path = '/usr/sbin/sendmail -t -i'


Will have to try to su when he gets in today.

Thanks,
Carlos



-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:hans at nyphp.org]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 12:00 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] mail function in Linux-Apache


Carlos G. Chiossone wrote:

> Hi guys, thanks in advance for helping.
>
> I am having strange issues with a Linux server running Apache. I can send emails from the command line using the mail command but when I try sending it from PHP it goes nowhere. I also don't get any errors neither on the Apache log file nor on the screen. My php.ini is set to give all errors and warnings and the mail is pointing to the correct directory where sendmail is, actually using the default path set by PHP.

A couple things to try:

--- tail -f /var/log/maillog and see if there are any errors indicated while trying to send from Apache, versus the mail command line tool

--- can Apache (assuming you're running PHP as mod_php) execute the required sendmail, etc binaries?  Does it have the permissions?  su to the user Apache is running as and try the mail command again

--- in the php.ini are the settings correct?  I think the default is /usr/sbin/sendmail, which much exist and be executeable/readable by apache

HTH,

h


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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Tue Sep 16 12:37:54 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:37:54 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fatal error when trying to connect to dbusingDB/MySQL
Message-ID: <20030916163754.GA22840@panix.com>

Hi Peter:

> I got it to work by including PEAR.php.

I had a feeling you were calling the DB class incorrectly (and you still
are).  I didn't say anything about it in my last message because I didn't
have an example at my finger tips to show you.  Now I do...

All you need to to is include DB.php, set the DSN and then connect.  The 
database type used is determined by the DSN.

    require_once('DB.php');
    $DSN = 'DB_Type://DB_User:DB_Pass at DB_Protocol+DB_Host:DB_Port/DB_Db';
    $Options['debug'] = 2;

    $db = DB::connect($DSN, $Options);
    if ( DB::isError($db) ) {
        $killProcess('Having problems connecting to the database: '
                . $db->getMessage() );
    }

Enjoy,

--Dan

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From cmerlo at ncc.edu  Tue Sep 16 12:38:49 2003
From: cmerlo at ncc.edu (Christopher R. Merlo)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:38:49 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mail function in Linux-Apache
In-Reply-To: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F141F5DE@email.sprout.net>
References: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F141F5DE@email.sprout.net>
Message-ID: <20030916163849.GC9920@ncc.edu>

On 2003-09-16 12:17 -0400, Carlos G. Chiossone <carlos at sprout.net> wrote:

> Doing the tail -f does not give me anything when sending through
> PHP.  I am not able to su to apache, "user not available" have to
> wait for my linux guy to help me in that one.

Carlos:
"apache" is probably not the name of the user who runs Apache.  In my
experience, it's usually the user "nobody".
-c

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From nestorflorez at earthlink.net  Tue Sep 16 12:52:27 2003
From: nestorflorez at earthlink.net (Nestor Florez)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:52:27 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mail function in Linux-Apache
Message-ID: <12859063.1063731147608.JavaMail.root@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

If you can send maill from the command line then you probably need to set up your php.ini
You can set it up to sendmail or SMTP as long as you know the name of you mail server or SMTP server

I ran into the problem in a Mac OS X and send mail would not work althought,
I could send mail from the command line so I changed it to SMTP and it work.

Nestor :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Zaunere <hans at nyphp.org>
Sent: Sep 16, 2003 9:00 AM
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] mail function in Linux-Apache



Carlos G. Chiossone wrote:

> Hi guys, thanks in advance for helping.
> 
> I am having strange issues with a Linux server running Apache. I can send emails from the command line using the mail command but when I try sending it from PHP it goes nowhere. I also don't get any errors neither on the Apache log file nor on the screen. My php.ini is set to give all errors and warnings and the mail is pointing to the correct directory where sendmail is, actually using the default path set by PHP.

A couple things to try:

--- tail -f /var/log/maillog and see if there are any errors indicated while trying to send from Apache, versus the mail command line tool

--- can Apache (assuming you're running PHP as mod_php) execute the required sendmail, etc binaries?  Does it have the permissions?  su to the user Apache is running as and try the mail command again

--- in the php.ini are the settings correct?  I think the default is /usr/sbin/sendmail, which much exist and be executeable/readable by apache

HTH,

h


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From carlos at sprout.net  Tue Sep 16 12:37:02 2003
From: carlos at sprout.net (Carlos G. Chiossone)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:37:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mail function in Linux-Apache
Message-ID: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F141A709@email.sprout.net>

Thanks, I also can't su to "nobody". Now in the trusted-users under mail "apache" is the only one trusted. So I guess that would be the only one allowed? But I can email from root with no problems, via promt.

c

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher R. Merlo [mailto:cmerlo at ncc.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 12:39 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] mail function in Linux-Apache

On 2003-09-16 12:17 -0400, Carlos G. Chiossone <carlos at sprout.net> wrote:

> Doing the tail -f does not give me anything when sending through
> PHP.  I am not able to su to apache, "user not available" have to
> wait for my linux guy to help me in that one.

Carlos:
"apache" is probably not the name of the user who runs Apache.  In my
experience, it's usually the user "nobody".
-c

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From carlos at sprout.net  Tue Sep 16 12:41:35 2003
From: carlos at sprout.net (Carlos G. Chiossone)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:41:35 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mail function in Linux-Apache
Message-ID: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F141A70A@email.sprout.net>

Actually that is what I originally wanted to do use my SMTP server. How did you change it in the php.ini ?

Thanks,
Carlos

-----Original Message-----
From: Nestor Florez [mailto:nestorflorez at earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 12:52 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] mail function in Linux-Apache

If you can send maill from the command line then you probably need to set up your php.ini
You can set it up to sendmail or SMTP as long as you know the name of you mail server or SMTP server

I ran into the problem in a Mac OS X and send mail would not work althought,
I could send mail from the command line so I changed it to SMTP and it work.

Nestor :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Zaunere <hans at nyphp.org>
Sent: Sep 16, 2003 9:00 AM
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] mail function in Linux-Apache



Carlos G. Chiossone wrote:

> Hi guys, thanks in advance for helping.
>
> I am having strange issues with a Linux server running Apache. I can send emails from the command line using the mail command but when I try sending it from PHP it goes nowhere. I also don't get any errors neither on the Apache log file nor on the screen. My php.ini is set to give all errors and warnings and the mail is pointing to the correct directory where sendmail is, actually using the default path set by PHP.

A couple things to try:

--- tail -f /var/log/maillog and see if there are any errors indicated while trying to send from Apache, versus the mail command line tool

--- can Apache (assuming you're running PHP as mod_php) execute the required sendmail, etc binaries?  Does it have the permissions?  su to the user Apache is running as and try the mail command again

--- in the php.ini are the settings correct?  I think the default is /usr/sbin/sendmail, which much exist and be executeable/readable by apache

HTH,

h


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From carlos at sprout.net  Tue Sep 16 12:59:00 2003
From: carlos at sprout.net (Carlos G. Chiossone)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:59:00 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mail function in Linux-Apache
Message-ID: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F141A70C@email.sprout.net>

I don't know if this may help in my situation:

Sep 16 13:08:00 mail sendmail[24361]: h8GH80SM024361: from=root, size=48, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<200309161708.h8GH80SM024361 at mail.spam-watch.com>, relay=root at localhost
Sep 16 13:08:01 mail sendmail[24363]: h8GH80Kt024363: from=<root at mail.spam-watch.com>, size=339, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<200309161708.h8GH80SM024361 at mail.spam-watch.com>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=[209.73.31.172]
Sep 16 13:08:01 mail sendmail[24361]: h8GH80SM024361: to=carlos at sprout.net, ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=relay, pri=30037, relay=[209.73.31.172] [209.73.31.172], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (h8GH80Kt024363 Message accepted for delivery)
Sep 16 13:08:01 mail sendmail[24365]: h8GH80Kt024363: to=<carlos at sprout.net>, ctladdr=<root at mail.spam-watch.com> (0/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=30328, relay=email.sprout.net. [209.73.31.27], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent ( <200309161708.h8GH80SM024361 at mail.spam-watch.com> Queued mail for delivery)

c

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher R. Merlo [mailto:cmerlo at ncc.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 12:39 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] mail function in Linux-Apache

On 2003-09-16 12:17 -0400, Carlos G. Chiossone <carlos at sprout.net> wrote:

> Doing the tail -f does not give me anything when sending through
> PHP.  I am not able to su to apache, "user not available" have to
> wait for my linux guy to help me in that one.

Carlos:
"apache" is probably not the name of the user who runs Apache.  In my
experience, it's usually the user "nobody".
-c

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From carlos at sprout.net  Tue Sep 16 15:03:40 2003
From: carlos at sprout.net (Carlos G. Chiossone)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:03:40 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mail function in Linux-Apache
Message-ID: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F141F5DF@email.sprout.net>

Ok problem solved thanks to Nestor. Now is this a BUG?

This is part of my ini in the Linux box

[mail function]
; For Win32 only.
SMTP = email.sprout.net

; For Win32 only.
;sendmail_from = me at localhost.com

; For Unix only.  You may supply arguments as well (default: "sendmail -t -i").
; sendmail_path = '/usr/sbin/sendmail -t -i'

And now it works fine. It is being directed to an Exchange server. Is this why SMTP works? Why does it say for Win32 only?

If I uncomment "sendmail_path" the emails are not sent!!! So in theory is RELAYING to my mail server directly? Not at all, if I turn of the service for "sendmail" it also does not send the emails, but they do stay in que and when restarted they go out.

I could not find any notes on this issue, and I am sure I am not the only one running PHP 4.3.2 sending mail through a Linux box.

Thanks to all for the help, and hope this notes will help someone in the future. But actually hope they don't go through this.

Carlos



-----Original Message-----
From: Nestor Florez [mailto:nestorflorez at earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 12:52 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] mail function in Linux-Apache

If you can send maill from the command line then you probably need to set up your php.ini
You can set it up to sendmail or SMTP as long as you know the name of you mail server or SMTP server

I ran into the problem in a Mac OS X and send mail would not work althought,
I could send mail from the command line so I changed it to SMTP and it work.

Nestor :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Zaunere <hans at nyphp.org>
Sent: Sep 16, 2003 9:00 AM
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] mail function in Linux-Apache



Carlos G. Chiossone wrote:

> Hi guys, thanks in advance for helping.
>
> I am having strange issues with a Linux server running Apache. I can send emails from the command line using the mail command but when I try sending it from PHP it goes nowhere. I also don't get any errors neither on the Apache log file nor on the screen. My php.ini is set to give all errors and warnings and the mail is pointing to the correct directory where sendmail is, actually using the default path set by PHP.

A couple things to try:

--- tail -f /var/log/maillog and see if there are any errors indicated while trying to send from Apache, versus the mail command line tool

--- can Apache (assuming you're running PHP as mod_php) execute the required sendmail, etc binaries?  Does it have the permissions?  su to the user Apache is running as and try the mail command again

--- in the php.ini are the settings correct?  I think the default is /usr/sbin/sendmail, which much exist and be executeable/readable by apache

HTH,

h


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From hans at nyphp.org  Tue Sep 16 15:40:01 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:40:01 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] XSLT transformations with PHP
In-Reply-To: <B4572CC5-E859-11D7-BE81-00039344DCA8@nyu.edu>
References: <B4572CC5-E859-11D7-BE81-00039344DCA8@nyu.edu>
Message-ID: <3F676711.1040500@nyphp.org>



Matthew Zimmerman wrote:

> Hey all,
> 
> Since last month's presentation was on XML validation and parsing, I 
> wanted to contribute my own .02 to our knowledge base. I have been using 
> PHP to do XSLT transformations and made a short "how to" that covers 
> compiling PHP with the XSLT extension and also the basic code for doing 
> an XSLT transformation in PHP. It is written at avery novice level since 
> I am a novice myself, but hopefully someone on here might find it useful.
> 
> http://www.nyu.edu/its/humanities/docs/php_xslt.html

Great article...  could we link to it once we get our content site online?

Thanks,

H




From mz34 at nyu.edu  Tue Sep 16 16:07:34 2003
From: mz34 at nyu.edu (Matthew Zimmerman)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 16:07:34 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] XSLT transformations with PHP
In-Reply-To: <3F676711.1040500@nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <6968BD6A-E881-11D7-890E-00039344DCA8@nyu.edu>

i'd be honored :-)
On Tuesday, September 16, 2003, at 03:40  PM, Hans Zaunere wrote:

>
>
> Matthew Zimmerman wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>> Since last month's presentation was on XML validation and parsing, I 
>> wanted to contribute my own .02 to our knowledge base. I have been 
>> using PHP to do XSLT transformations and made a short "how to" that 
>> covers compiling PHP with the XSLT extension and also the basic code 
>> for doing an XSLT transformation in PHP. It is written at avery 
>> novice level since I am a novice myself, but hopefully someone on 
>> here might find it useful.
>> http://www.nyu.edu/its/humanities/docs/php_xslt.html
>
> Great article...  could we link to it once we get our content site 
> online?
>
> Thanks,
>
> H
>
>
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From soazine at erols.com  Tue Sep 16 16:23:45 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 16:23:45 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Can you do PHP within JSP BSF tag libraries?
Message-ID: <048c01c37c90$86e734e0$67a76244@philofsoa>

Referring to http://jakarta.apache.org/taglibs/doc/bsf-doc/intro.html does anyone know if PHP is doable within this framework? If so, OOOOO! :)

Phil
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From pl at eskimo.com  Tue Sep 16 18:02:39 2003
From: pl at eskimo.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 18:02:39 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fatal error when trying to connect to dbusingDB/MySQL
References: <20030916163754.GA22840@panix.com>
Message-ID: <00ac01c37c9e$413e8840$fb2c0242@peter1>

That works.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Analysis & Solutions" <danielc at analysisandsolutions.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Fatal error when trying to connect to
dbusingDB/MySQL


> Hi Peter:
>
> > I got it to work by including PEAR.php.
>
> I had a feeling you were calling the DB class incorrectly (and you still
> are).  I didn't say anything about it in my last message because I didn't
> have an example at my finger tips to show you.  Now I do...
>
> All you need to to is include DB.php, set the DSN and then connect.  The
> database type used is determined by the DSN.
>
>     require_once('DB.php');
>     $DSN = 'DB_Type://DB_User:DB_Pass at DB_Protocol+DB_Host:DB_Port/DB_Db';
>     $Options['debug'] = 2;
>
>     $db = DB::connect($DSN, $Options);
>     if ( DB::isError($db) ) {
>         $killProcess('Having problems connecting to the database: '
>                 . $db->getMessage() );
>     }
>
> Enjoy,
>
> --Dan
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From nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com  Tue Sep 16 19:17:02 2003
From: nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com (Jerry Kapron)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:17:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] web store + Linkpoint API
Message-ID: <00a201c37ca8$a35ae960$de01a8c0@duron.lan.newageweb.com>


Does anybody know of any good complete web store code with support for the
Linkpoint merchant API?  I usually code my own stuff but I simply don't have
enough time to "reinvent the wheel" this time ... and the deadline for this
assignment is right around the corner. This client needs an advanced web
store with all the bells and whistles, especially for shipping (real-time
interaction with FedEx or UPS would be nice), shopper accounts, advanced
order processing, inventory management and report creation.  He already has
a Linkpoint merchant account, so it would be nice if I could find a ready
solution with support for Linkpoint API.  Your suggestions are really
appreciated.

Cheers,
Jerry



From andrew at digitalpulp.com  Tue Sep 16 19:26:55 2003
From: andrew at digitalpulp.com (Andrew Yochum)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:26:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] web store + Linkpoint API
In-Reply-To: <00a201c37ca8$a35ae960$de01a8c0@duron.lan.newageweb.com>
References: <00a201c37ca8$a35ae960$de01a8c0@duron.lan.newageweb.com>
Message-ID: <20030916232647.GA22185@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 07:17:02PM -0400, Jerry Kapron wrote:
> 
> Does anybody know of any good complete web store code with support for the
> Linkpoint merchant API?  I usually code my own stuff but I simply don't have
> enough time to "reinvent the wheel" this time ... and the deadline for this
> assignment is right around the corner. This client needs an advanced web
> store with all the bells and whistles, especially for shipping (real-time
> interaction with FedEx or UPS would be nice), shopper accounts, advanced
> order processing, inventory management and report creation.  He already has
> a Linkpoint merchant account, so it would be nice if I could find a ready
> solution with support for Linkpoint API.  Your suggestions are really
> appreciated.
> 
> Cheers,
> Jerry
> 

OSCommerce has most of what you're looking for.  There is a Linkpoint API
module in the contributions that uses the PHP Wrapper from Linkpoint (now free,
used to be $95 from them).  There are also shipping modules for the real-time
shipping calculations...

http://oscommerce.com/

PS. Don't bother using the Linkpoint Basic integration module ... there is
potential for user error to foul up an order and thats not good.

-- 
Andrew Yochum
Digital Pulp, Inc.
212.679.0676x255
andrew at digitalpulp.com


From dan at mx2pro.com  Tue Sep 16 23:38:47 2003
From: dan at mx2pro.com (Dan Horning)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:38:47 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] web store + Linkpoint API
In-Reply-To: <00a201c37ca8$a35ae960$de01a8c0@duron.lan.newageweb.com>
Message-ID: <000001c37ccd$351d7a10$a50e9942@dwchome>

Gonna have to go with the usual answer 

OS Commerce http://www.oscommerce.com/ 

Simple .. Fast./.. themeable

- Dan Horning

President:
     Technical Evangelism &
     Media Systems Administation
MX2 Productions
     Media from concept to execution.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org 
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Kapron
> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 7:17 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] web store + Linkpoint API
> 
> 
> 
> Does anybody know of any good complete web store code with 
> support for the
> Linkpoint merchant API?  I usually code my own stuff but I 
> simply don't have
> enough time to "reinvent the wheel" this time ... and the 
> deadline for this
> assignment is right around the corner. This client needs an 
> advanced web
> store with all the bells and whistles, especially for 
> shipping (real-time
> interaction with FedEx or UPS would be nice), shopper 
> accounts, advanced
> order processing, inventory management and report creation.  
> He already has
> a Linkpoint merchant account, so it would be nice if I could 
> find a ready
> solution with support for Linkpoint API.  Your suggestions are really
> appreciated.
> 
> Cheers,
> Jerry
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Wed Sep 17 07:54:19 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 07:54:19 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] osCommerce questions ...
References: <000001c37ccd$351d7a10$a50e9942@dwchome>
Message-ID: <005201c37d12$6dcb9e10$8119fea9@thinkpad>

2 questions ...

* have there been any *bad* experiences with using the package?
* can the admin be locked down or be used only offsite with say a tunneled
p'keyd mysql connection ...

- jon




From dan at mx2pro.com  Wed Sep 17 09:11:20 2003
From: dan at mx2pro.com (Dan Horning)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:11:20 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] osCommerce questions ...
In-Reply-To: <005201c37d12$6dcb9e10$8119fea9@thinkpad>
Message-ID: <001501c37d1d$34f99000$d70f9942@dwchome>

> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of jon baer
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] osCommerce questions ...
> 2 questions ...
> 
> * have there been any *bad* experiences with using the package?

I've personally only ever heard great results with OSC
And that's from everyone I've talked to who uses it.
(used all over the world)

> * can the admin be locked down or be used only offsite with 
> say a tunneled p'keyd mysql connection ...

Yes .. Because the database system on your server can be set to
ip/domain only access
Therefore assuming that your remote location has access to the port
mysql runs on
(firewall issue prevention)

Any other questions?
- Dan Horning

President:
     Technical Evangelism &
     Media Systems Administation
MX2 Productions
     Media from concept to execution.




From andrew at digitalpulp.com  Wed Sep 17 10:13:50 2003
From: andrew at digitalpulp.com (Andrew Yochum)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:13:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] osCommerce questions ...
In-Reply-To: <005201c37d12$6dcb9e10$8119fea9@thinkpad>
References: <000001c37ccd$351d7a10$a50e9942@dwchome>
	<005201c37d12$6dcb9e10$8119fea9@thinkpad>
Message-ID: <20030917141342.GE8912@thighmaster.digitalpulp.com>

On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 07:54:19AM -0400, jon baer wrote:
> 2 questions ...
> 
> * have there been any *bad* experiences with using the package?

You have to be very aware of versions of OS Commerce & contributions, some
contributions are modules/plugins and some are patches/hacks.  You'll have to
be carefull of matching versions for your modules and patches and then be extra
careful not to overwrite your own customizations w/ patches.  Before you plunge
into adding in some contribution, RTFM fully and understand just what kind of
contribution it is and what you're getting yourself into.

The reason for this is that some parts of OS Commerce were made  to allow for
modules (shipping, payment, taxation, etc) ... while some were not (product
fields, non-product content, etc).  Keep in mind that this also affects your
own modifications to it... some things were designed to be easily modified,
while others were not.

> * can the admin be locked down or be used only offsite with say a tunneled
> p'keyd mysql connection ...

Shouldn't be a problem at all.  The admin and the store are basically two
entirely separate apps, with separate config files and all, so piping the mysql
connection for the admin over a tunnel should be easy.
 
Andrew

-- 
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212.679.0676x255
andrew at digitalpulp.com


From joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com  Wed Sep 17 10:50:53 2003
From: joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com (joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:50:53 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] osCommerce questions ...
In-Reply-To: <20030917141342.GE8912@thighmaster.digitalpulp.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0309170944490.32333-100000@westhost39.westhost.net>

Has anyone ever seen a really nice catalog/front end done with oscommerce? 

Josh

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Andrew Yochum wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 07:54:19AM -0400, jon baer wrote:
> > 2 questions ...
> > 
> > * have there been any *bad* experiences with using the package?
> 
> You have to be very aware of versions of OS Commerce & contributions, some
> contributions are modules/plugins and some are patches/hacks.  You'll have to
> be carefull of matching versions for your modules and patches and then be extra
> careful not to overwrite your own customizations w/ patches.  Before you plunge
> into adding in some contribution, RTFM fully and understand just what kind of
> contribution it is and what you're getting yourself into.
> 
> The reason for this is that some parts of OS Commerce were made  to allow for
> modules (shipping, payment, taxation, etc) ... while some were not (product
> fields, non-product content, etc).  Keep in mind that this also affects your
> own modifications to it... some things were designed to be easily modified,
> while others were not.
> 
> > * can the admin be locked down or be used only offsite with say a tunneled
> > p'keyd mysql connection ...
> 
> Shouldn't be a problem at all.  The admin and the store are basically two
> entirely separate apps, with separate config files and all, so piping the mysql
> connection for the admin over a tunnel should be easy.
>  
> Andrew
> 
> 



From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Wed Sep 17 10:58:57 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:58:57 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Regular Expressions & Foreign Characters
Message-ID: <000f01c37d2c$38a31230$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

If I understand correctly, a regular expression like this: ^[a-z0-9\',.
-]{1,35}$/I will not allow foreign characters, e.g., ?, because it is
not part of the regular ASCII set of characters but part of the extended
set. So...what's a kid to do?

Jeff Siegel



From mwithington at PLMresearch.com  Wed Sep 17 11:00:14 2003
From: mwithington at PLMresearch.com (Mark Withington)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:00:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] osCommerce questions ...
Message-ID: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE3587CEE6E@network.PLMresearch.com>

Well, I'm not sure that I could say it's really nice ;-) but try
http://www.uttermost.com . It uses an osCommerce snapshot.

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-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of
joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:51 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] osCommerce questions ...


Has anyone ever seen a really nice catalog/front end done with oscommerce? 

Josh

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Andrew Yochum wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 07:54:19AM -0400, jon baer wrote:
> > 2 questions ...
> > 
> > * have there been any *bad* experiences with using the package?
> 
> You have to be very aware of versions of OS Commerce & contributions, some
> contributions are modules/plugins and some are patches/hacks.  You'll have
to
> be carefull of matching versions for your modules and patches and then be
extra
> careful not to overwrite your own customizations w/ patches.  Before you
plunge
> into adding in some contribution, RTFM fully and understand just what kind
of
> contribution it is and what you're getting yourself into.
> 
> The reason for this is that some parts of OS Commerce were made  to allow
for
> modules (shipping, payment, taxation, etc) ... while some were not
(product
> fields, non-product content, etc).  Keep in mind that this also affects
your
> own modifications to it... some things were designed to be easily
modified,
> while others were not.
> 
> > * can the admin be locked down or be used only offsite with say a
tunneled
> > p'keyd mysql connection ...
> 
> Shouldn't be a problem at all.  The admin and the store are basically two
> entirely separate apps, with separate config files and all, so piping the
mysql
> connection for the admin over a tunnel should be easy.
>  
> Andrew
> 
> 

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From sklar at sklar.com  Wed Sep 17 11:20:38 2003
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:20:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Regular Expressions & Foreign Characters
In-Reply-To: <000f01c37d2c$38a31230$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJCEFKGLAA.sklar@sklar.com>

On Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:59 AM,  wrote:

> If I understand correctly, a regular expression like this:
> ^[a-z0-9\',.
> -]{1,35}$/I will not allow foreign characters, e.g., ?, because it is
> not part of the regular ASCII set of characters but part of the
> extended set. So...what's a kid to do?

Use a POSIX named character class. These respect locale settings:

preg_match('/[[:alnum:]]/','?');

This returns true under a locale like 'en_US', or 'de_DE'.

Read all about POSIX named character classes in the egrep(1) manpage.

You should probably call setlocale() in your PHP script before
preg_match()ing against special characters, the default locale (often "C")
may not include these characters in the "alnum" or "alpha" classes. E.g.:

setlocale(LC_CTYPE,'en_US');

or

setlocale(LC_ALL,'en_US');


David




From nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com  Wed Sep 17 11:26:01 2003
From: nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com (Jerry Kapron)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:26:01 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] web store + Linkpoint API
Message-ID: <011101c37d30$007b7920$de01a8c0@duron.lan.newageweb.com>

Andrew/Dan,
Thanks guys!
I'm actually somewhat familiar with OSC. I set it up for a client a while ago, but I had no idea that there is a Linkpoint module for it.
this is great! Thanks again,
Jerry



>On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 07:34:02PM -0400, Andrew Yochum wrote:

>OSCommerce has most of what you're looking for.  There is a Linkpoint API
>module in the contributions that uses the PHP Wrapper from Linkpoint (now free,
>used to be $95 from them).  There are also shipping modules for the real-time
>shipping calculations...
>
>http://oscommerce.com/
>
>PS. Don't bother using the Linkpoint Basic integration module ... there is
>potential for user error to foul up an order and thats not good.
>
>-- 
>Andrew Yochum
>Digital Pulp, Inc.
>212.679.0676x255
>andrew at digitalpulp.com
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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Wed Sep 17 10:05:37 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:05:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Regular Expressions & Foreign Characters
References: <000f01c37d2c$38a31230$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <003c01c37d24$c6eecfa0$8119fea9@thinkpad>

from what i recall you need to play around with multibyte/unicode functions
+ it needs to be compiled in (--enable-mbstring=all):

http://us3.php.net/manual/en/ref.mbstring.php
http://us3.php.net/manual/en/function.mb-ereg.php

- jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:58 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Regular Expressions & Foreign Characters


If I understand correctly, a regular expression like this: ^[a-z0-9\',.
-]{1,35}$/I will not allow foreign characters, e.g., ?, because it is
not part of the regular ASCII set of characters but part of the extended
set. So...what's a kid to do?

Jeff Siegel

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From carlos at sprout.net  Wed Sep 17 11:23:51 2003
From: carlos at sprout.net (Carlos G. Chiossone)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:23:51 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Regular Expressions & Foreign Characters
Message-ID: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F141F5E0@email.sprout.net>

Hi all, PHPEdit has a new Regular Expression editor that seems to be pretty good. This may be of help on all of this.

http://www.phpedit.net/products/RegExpEditor/

Carlos

-----Original Message-----
From: jon baer [mailto:jonbaer at jonbaer.net]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:06 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Regular Expressions & Foreign Characters

from what i recall you need to play around with multibyte/unicode functions
+ it needs to be compiled in (--enable-mbstring=all):

http://us3.php.net/manual/en/ref.mbstring.php
http://us3.php.net/manual/en/function.mb-ereg.php

- jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:58 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Regular Expressions & Foreign Characters


If I understand correctly, a regular expression like this: ^[a-z0-9\',.
-]{1,35}$/I will not allow foreign characters, e.g., ?, because it is
not part of the regular ASCII set of characters but part of the extended
set. So...what's a kid to do?

Jeff Siegel

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From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Wed Sep 17 11:46:19 2003
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:46:19 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] web store + Linkpoint API
In-Reply-To: <00a201c37ca8$a35ae960$de01a8c0@duron.lan.newageweb.com>
Message-ID: <001001c37d32$d72d8fb0$bf8d3818@OBERON1>

If you go to the oscommerce site and click on read the
weekly summaries there is a menu item called 'Workboard'

There is an item: 49

================================
register_globals Compatibility
 
The requirement to have register_globals enabled will be
removed.

Part of this would have been done in Milestone 3 where the
session logic is updated to class.
==================================

There is a target of 2.2-MS4 
(I interpret this to mean they will remove the
'register_globals dependency in Milestone 4 -- they are at
Milestone 2 now and nobody is assigned to the task)

You can see the bug list at
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum=tep-bugs

Here is an example:
=======================
New Comment from johan_awouters at pa... @ 09/17/2003 06:39:28
 
 Is this still a problem? 
 
 Can this be related to the effect that the sessions are
lost all the time?  It's strange that the osCsid is not
always appended to the URL. That's way the  session is lost
and the shopping cart is empty. However, if you manually
copy-paste the osCsid, the shopping cart is displayed again
correctly.

 Is this because we are working with a milestone version? 

========================

It looks to me as if the session ids maybe open to capture
by a malicious intruder.

T. Gales & Associates
Helping People Connect with Technology
http://www.tgaconnect.com

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Jerry
Kapron
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 7:17 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] web store + Linkpoint API


Does anybody know of any good complete web store code with
support for the
Linkpoint merchant API?  I usually code my own stuff but I
simply don't have
enough time to "reinvent the wheel" this time ... and the
deadline for this
assignment is right around the corner. This client needs an
advanced web
store with all the bells and whistles, especially for
shipping (real-time
interaction with FedEx or UPS would be nice), shopper
accounts, advanced
order processing, inventory management and report creation.
He already has
a Linkpoint merchant account, so it would be nice if I could
find a ready
solution with support for Linkpoint API.  Your suggestions
are really
appreciated.

Cheers,
Jerry

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From carlos at sprout.net  Wed Sep 17 11:42:59 2003
From: carlos at sprout.net (Carlos G. Chiossone)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:42:59 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] osCommerce questions ...
Message-ID: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F141F5E1@email.sprout.net>

We use to play a bit with OSC, you are able to customize the design as you wish, at least way back when we tried it. Our only problem was that it was too slow. But in general was a good piece of software. 

We decided to write our own with a totally different schema due to the speed. And not based at all on OSC. We branded it under ReadySites.com. Now what OSC has that is great, is the Open Source availability which allows for much faster growth. If you develop an easier design interface and gets added to it, then any design doubts that you have are solved.

Carlos

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Withington [mailto:mwithington at PLMresearch.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 11:00 AM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] osCommerce questions ...

Well, I'm not sure that I could say it's really nice ;-) but try
http://www.uttermost.com . It uses an osCommerce snapshot.

--------------------------
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-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of
joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:51 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] osCommerce questions ...


Has anyone ever seen a really nice catalog/front end done with oscommerce?

Josh

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Andrew Yochum wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 07:54:19AM -0400, jon baer wrote:
> > 2 questions ...
> >
> > * have there been any *bad* experiences with using the package?
>
> You have to be very aware of versions of OS Commerce & contributions, some
> contributions are modules/plugins and some are patches/hacks.  You'll have
to
> be carefull of matching versions for your modules and patches and then be
extra
> careful not to overwrite your own customizations w/ patches.  Before you
plunge
> into adding in some contribution, RTFM fully and understand just what kind
of
> contribution it is and what you're getting yourself into.
>
> The reason for this is that some parts of OS Commerce were made  to allow
for
> modules (shipping, payment, taxation, etc) ... while some were not
(product
> fields, non-product content, etc).  Keep in mind that this also affects
your
> own modifications to it... some things were designed to be easily
modified,
> while others were not.
>
> > * can the admin be locked down or be used only offsite with say a
tunneled
> > p'keyd mysql connection ...
>
> Shouldn't be a problem at all.  The admin and the store are basically two
> entirely separate apps, with separate config files and all, so piping the
mysql
> connection for the admin over a tunnel should be easy.
> 
> Andrew
>
>

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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Wed Sep 17 12:04:55 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:04:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Regular Expressions & Foreign Characters
In-Reply-To: <003c01c37d24$c6eecfa0$8119fea9@thinkpad>
Message-ID: <002901c37d35$71428770$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Oy...I hope I don't have to recompile.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of jon baer
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 9:06 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Regular Expressions & Foreign Characters


from what i recall you need to play around with multibyte/unicode
functions
+ it needs to be compiled in (--enable-mbstring=all):

http://us3.php.net/manual/en/ref.mbstring.php
http://us3.php.net/manual/en/function.mb-ereg.php

- jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:58 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Regular Expressions & Foreign Characters


If I understand correctly, a regular expression like this: ^[a-z0-9\',.
-]{1,35}$/I will not allow foreign characters, e.g., ?, because it is
not part of the regular ASCII set of characters but part of the extended
set. So...what's a kid to do?

Jeff Siegel

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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Wed Sep 17 12:04:55 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:04:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Regular Expressions & Foreign Characters
In-Reply-To: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJCEFKGLAA.sklar@sklar.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c37d35$7163f220$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Thanks for pointing this out.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of David Sklar
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:21 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Regular Expressions & Foreign Characters


On Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:59 AM,  wrote:

> If I understand correctly, a regular expression like this:
> ^[a-z0-9\',.
> -]{1,35}$/I will not allow foreign characters, e.g., ?, because it is
> not part of the regular ASCII set of characters but part of the
> extended set. So...what's a kid to do?

Use a POSIX named character class. These respect locale settings:

preg_match('/[[:alnum:]]/','?');

This returns true under a locale like 'en_US', or 'de_DE'.

Read all about POSIX named character classes in the egrep(1) manpage.

You should probably call setlocale() in your PHP script before
preg_match()ing against special characters, the default locale (often
"C")
may not include these characters in the "alnum" or "alpha" classes.
E.g.:

setlocale(LC_CTYPE,'en_US');

or

setlocale(LC_ALL,'en_US');


David


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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Wed Sep 17 12:08:43 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:08:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Regular Expressions & Foreign Characters
In-Reply-To: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F141F5E0@email.sprout.net>
Message-ID: <004001c37d35$f75a1300$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Does this work as a "standalone" application or only with PHPEdit?

Jeff Siegel

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Carlos G. Chiossone
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:24 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Regular Expressions & Foreign Characters


Hi all, PHPEdit has a new Regular Expression editor that seems to be
pretty good. This may be of help on all of this.

http://www.phpedit.net/products/RegExpEditor/

Carlos

-----Original Message-----
From: jon baer [mailto:jonbaer at jonbaer.net]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:06 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Regular Expressions & Foreign Characters

from what i recall you need to play around with multibyte/unicode
functions
+ it needs to be compiled in (--enable-mbstring=all):

http://us3.php.net/manual/en/ref.mbstring.php
http://us3.php.net/manual/en/function.mb-ereg.php

- jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:58 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Regular Expressions & Foreign Characters


If I understand correctly, a regular expression like this: ^[a-z0-9\',.
-]{1,35}$/I will not allow foreign characters, e.g., ?, because it is
not part of the regular ASCII set of characters but part of the extended
set. So...what's a kid to do?

Jeff Siegel

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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Wed Sep 17 12:08:43 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:08:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Reg expression to make sure something is not blank
Message-ID: <004101c37d35$f77dc7a0$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Is this "kosher" for determining that something has not be left blank? 

'/^[^^$]{1,35}$/i',

Jeff Siegel



From sklar at sklar.com  Wed Sep 17 12:20:37 2003
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:20:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Reg expression to make sure something is not blank
In-Reply-To: <004101c37d35$f77dc7a0$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJEEFOGLAA.sklar@sklar.com>

On Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:09 PM,  wrote:

> Is this "kosher" for determining that something has not be left blank?
>
> '/^[^^$]{1,35}$/i',

No, it is not kosher. The regex matches strings like "country ham", "cheese
burger" and "shrimp scampi". In fact, it matches any 1 to 35 character
string that doesn't consist entirely of carets and dollar signs. If you want
to make sure that a string at least one but no more than 35 characters, use:

/^.{1,35}$/

But that would match a string of all whitespace. If you want to make sure
that the string doesn't begin with whitespace, try:

/^\S.{0,34}$/

Which guarantees that the first character is not whitespace.

However, you're better off not using a regex for this stuff. Instead, do
this to make sure a string is between 1 and 35 characters, after removing
leading and trailing whitespace:

$len = strlen(trim($s));
if (($len < 1) || ($len > 35)) {
  // the string is too long or too short
} else {
  // the string is just right
}


David



From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Wed Sep 17 11:12:38 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:12:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Regular Expressions & Foreign Characters
References: <004001c37d35$f75a1300$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <008801c37d2e$22111ba0$8119fea9@thinkpad>

standalone ... there was a better web-based one somewhere ... i personally
find regex coach to be more flexible ...

http://www.weitz.de/regex-coach/

- jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:08 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Regular Expressions & Foreign Characters


Does this work as a "standalone" application or only with PHPEdit?

Jeff Siegel

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Carlos G. Chiossone
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:24 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Regular Expressions & Foreign Characters


Hi all, PHPEdit has a new Regular Expression editor that seems to be
pretty good. This may be of help on all of this.

http://www.phpedit.net/products/RegExpEditor/

Carlos

-----Original Message-----
From: jon baer [mailto:jonbaer at jonbaer.net]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:06 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Regular Expressions & Foreign Characters

from what i recall you need to play around with multibyte/unicode
functions
+ it needs to be compiled in (--enable-mbstring=all):

http://us3.php.net/manual/en/ref.mbstring.php
http://us3.php.net/manual/en/function.mb-ereg.php

- jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:58 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Regular Expressions & Foreign Characters


If I understand correctly, a regular expression like this: ^[a-z0-9\',.
-]{1,35}$/I will not allow foreign characters, e.g., ?, because it is
not part of the regular ASCII set of characters but part of the extended
set. So...what's a kid to do?

Jeff Siegel

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From shiflett at php.net  Wed Sep 17 12:29:50 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:29:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Reg expression to make sure something is not blank
In-Reply-To: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJEEFOGLAA.sklar@sklar.com>
Message-ID: <20030917162950.76623.qmail@web14301.mail.yahoo.com>

--- David Sklar <sklar at sklar.com> wrote:
> However, you're better off not using a regex for this stuff.
> Instead, do this to make sure a string is between 1 and 35
> characters, after removing leading and trailing whitespace:
> 
> $len = strlen(trim($s));
> if (($len < 1) || ($len > 35)) {
>   // the string is too long or too short
> } else {
>   // the string is just right
> }

+1

This also makes you intent clearer, which will be an important factor in a few
weeks, months, or years. Comments are great, but straightforward code can't be
beat.

Chris

=====
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From nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com  Wed Sep 17 12:26:24 2003
From: nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com (Jerry Kapron)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:26:24 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Reg expression to make sure something is not blank
Message-ID: <015a01c37d38$6fe49dc0$de01a8c0@duron.lan.newageweb.com>

I would use '^.+$' 
Jerry

--
42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

-----Original Message-----

Is this "kosher" for determining that something has not be left blank? 

'/^[^^$]{1,35}$/i',

Jeff Siegel

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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Wed Sep 17 12:38:20 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:38:20 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] google code jam 2003
Message-ID: <00ba01c37d3a$1b5b9db0$8119fea9@thinkpad>

http://www.topcoder.com/pl/?&module=Static&d1=google&d2=google_overview

too bad no php huh :-\

-snip-
Use Java, C++, C# or VB.NET. Pick any of these programming languages to code
your solutions. All are acceptable and none is given an advantage.

- jon

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From carlos at sprout.net  Wed Sep 17 13:45:04 2003
From: carlos at sprout.net (Carlos G. Chiossone)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:45:04 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Regular Expressions & Foreign Characters
Message-ID: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F141A71C@email.sprout.net>

Standalone.

Carlos

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff [mailto:jsiegel1 at optonline.net]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:09 PM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Regular Expressions & Foreign Characters

Does this work as a "standalone" application or only with PHPEdit?

Jeff Siegel

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Carlos G. Chiossone
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:24 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Regular Expressions & Foreign Characters


Hi all, PHPEdit has a new Regular Expression editor that seems to be
pretty good. This may be of help on all of this.

http://www.phpedit.net/products/RegExpEditor/

Carlos

-----Original Message-----
From: jon baer [mailto:jonbaer at jonbaer.net]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:06 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Regular Expressions & Foreign Characters

from what i recall you need to play around with multibyte/unicode
functions
+ it needs to be compiled in (--enable-mbstring=all):

http://us3.php.net/manual/en/ref.mbstring.php
http://us3.php.net/manual/en/function.mb-ereg.php

- jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:58 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Regular Expressions & Foreign Characters


If I understand correctly, a regular expression like this: ^[a-z0-9\',.
-]{1,35}$/I will not allow foreign characters, e.g., ?, because it is
not part of the regular ASCII set of characters but part of the extended
set. So...what's a kid to do?

Jeff Siegel

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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Wed Sep 17 14:06:31 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:06:31 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Reg expression to make sure something is not blank
In-Reply-To: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJEEFOGLAA.sklar@sklar.com>
Message-ID: <005a01c37d46$6c43a0e0$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

You and Chris have convinced me...regex is NOT the way to go...at least
not in this case.

However, "shrimp scampi" does sound good about now. ;)

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of David Sklar
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 11:21 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Reg expression to make sure something is not
blank


On Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:09 PM,  wrote:

> Is this "kosher" for determining that something has not be left blank?
>
> '/^[^^$]{1,35}$/i',

No, it is not kosher. The regex matches strings like "country ham",
"cheese
burger" and "shrimp scampi". In fact, it matches any 1 to 35 character
string that doesn't consist entirely of carets and dollar signs. If you
want
to make sure that a string at least one but no more than 35 characters,
use:

/^.{1,35}$/

But that would match a string of all whitespace. If you want to make
sure
that the string doesn't begin with whitespace, try:

/^\S.{0,34}$/

Which guarantees that the first character is not whitespace.

However, you're better off not using a regex for this stuff. Instead, do
this to make sure a string is between 1 and 35 characters, after
removing
leading and trailing whitespace:

$len = strlen(trim($s));
if (($len < 1) || ($len > 35)) {
  // the string is too long or too short
} else {
  // the string is just right
}


David

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From csnyder at chxo.com  Wed Sep 17 14:15:47 2003
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:15:47 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] google code jam 2003
In-Reply-To: <00ba01c37d3a$1b5b9db0$8119fea9@thinkpad>
References: <00ba01c37d3a$1b5b9db0$8119fea9@thinkpad>
Message-ID: <3F68A4D3.4070006@chxo.com>

We would have an unfair advantage:  no compile times. :-)

jon baer wrote:

>http://www.topcoder.com/pl/?&module=Static&d1=google&d2=google_overview
>
>too bad no php huh :-\
>
>  
>



From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Wed Sep 17 14:30:58 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:30:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Regular Expressions & Foreign Characters
In-Reply-To: <49A9DEB886049242BA28C484A36C03F141A71C@email.sprout.net>
Message-ID: <005d01c37d49$d6a55570$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

I'll check it out.

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Carlos G. Chiossone
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:45 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Regular Expressions & Foreign Characters


Standalone.

Carlos

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff [mailto:jsiegel1 at optonline.net]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:09 PM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Regular Expressions & Foreign Characters

Does this work as a "standalone" application or only with PHPEdit?

Jeff Siegel

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Carlos G. Chiossone
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:24 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Regular Expressions & Foreign Characters


Hi all, PHPEdit has a new Regular Expression editor that seems to be
pretty good. This may be of help on all of this.

http://www.phpedit.net/products/RegExpEditor/

Carlos

-----Original Message-----
From: jon baer [mailto:jonbaer at jonbaer.net]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:06 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Regular Expressions & Foreign Characters

from what i recall you need to play around with multibyte/unicode
functions
+ it needs to be compiled in (--enable-mbstring=all):

http://us3.php.net/manual/en/ref.mbstring.php
http://us3.php.net/manual/en/function.mb-ereg.php

- jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:58 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Regular Expressions & Foreign Characters


If I understand correctly, a regular expression like this: ^[a-z0-9\',.
-]{1,35}$/I will not allow foreign characters, e.g., ?, because it is
not part of the regular ASCII set of characters but part of the extended
set. So...what's a kid to do?

Jeff Siegel

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From nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com  Wed Sep 17 15:07:12 2003
From: nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com (Jerry Kapron)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:07:12 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Reg expression to make sure something is not blank
Message-ID: <018f01c37d4e$e6e82340$de01a8c0@duron.lan.newageweb.com>

> Jerry Kapron wrote:

> I would use '^.+$'
> Jerry

Well.. it's a regular expression to match a non-empty string, but in real
life you definitely shouldn't use regular expressions for something that
simple.
Dave's example not only makes your code much clearer, but also executes many
times faster than a single regex function.  Regular Expressions are
relatively CPU-intensive and if overused, can considerably diminish your
application's performance, especially on a busy server. Use them only if one
or two simple string functions can't do the job.
Be careful... regular expressions are like drugs - it feels good when you
use them.. they can easily become an addiction,  and they sure can kill (a
server or two).
I learned the hard way.

cheers,
Jerry


-----Original Message-----

Is this "kosher" for determining that something has not be left blank?

'/^[^^$]{1,35}$/i',

Jeff Siegel

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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Wed Sep 17 16:30:09 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:30:09 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars
Message-ID: <007101c37d5a$7d812490$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Is there a way to repost Post variables, i.e., pass along Post data,
along with a header location change?

Jeff Siegel



From soazine at erols.com  Wed Sep 17 16:34:51 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:34:51 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Anyone know the ANSI SQL for Access equivalent to this?
Message-ID: <005b01c37d5b$25878440$67a76244@philofsoa>

<cfquery name="getAll" datasource="#request.dsn#">
      SELECT U.userID, U.fname, U.lname, U.phone, U.lastLoggedIn, 
             U.choiceId, U.experience, R.label AS roleLabel
      FROM Role R, UserRoleAssoc URA, Team T, User U, UserTeamAssoc UTA
      WHERE U.userId = URA.userID
       AND URA.roleId = R.roleId
       AND U.userId = UTA.userID (+)
       AND T.teamId = UTA.teamID (+)
       AND U.userID > 1
      ORDER BY #orderBy# #orderByTxt#
    </cfquery>

I am at my wit's end on this one, and I thought ANSI Syntax for mySQL was evil!

Thanx
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From shiflett at php.net  Wed Sep 17 16:41:25 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:41:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars
In-Reply-To: <007101c37d5a$7d812490$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <20030917204125.14865.qmail@web14301.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Jeff <jsiegel1 at optonline.net> wrote:
> Is there a way to repost Post variables

Yes.

> i.e., pass along Post data, along with a header location change?

No. :-)

To perform a POST with PHP, you have can do it manually:

http://shiflett.org/dev/php_post.phps

or you can use PEAR's HTTP request class:

http://shiflett.org/dev/pear_post.phps

or you can use cURL, and for some reason I don't have an example for that.

Please note that all of this code was written a long time ago and used to
search php.net for cURL (I think that's why I didn't have an example for that).
It should work fine or at least give you an idea of where to look.

Hope that helps.

Chris

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From dkrook at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 17 16:56:36 2003
From: dkrook at hotmail.com (D C Krook)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:56:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Best practices for form input/output between PHP &
	MySQL?
Message-ID: <BAY2-F23aZI758Nqm4P00002181@hotmail.com>

Greetings,

I work on a web application that is used to manage tasks and work flow among 
a team of developers and producers.  Clients enter tasks, developers make 
notes and occasionally add code snippets via a standard form with text 
inputs and textarea boxes.

We take care to sanitize user input and data display by way of addslashes(), 
stripslashes(), htmlfunctions(), nl2br() and the like, but occasionally a 
legitimate backslash in a code snippet gets removed when updating a textarea 
containing some code, for example:

escape(document.title.replace(/\+/g,''))
  becomes
escape(document.title.replace(/+/g,''))

Of course, that sort of thing is not easy to catch when you're developing 
such an application (it went unnoticed in our case for quite a few months), 
so I'm wondering if anyone can share some good utility functions that can 
sanitize form input going into a database and information coming from the 
database for display in the browser (with HTML entitized).

In essence, I'd like to hear some thoughts on the most robust way to flesh 
out the following functions:


function sanitizeInputForDB ($strFieldInput) {

}

function formatDataForDisplay ($strData, $isTextArea = false) {
	if (!$isTextArea) {

	} else {

	}
}


TIA,
-Dan



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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Wed Sep 17 16:50:50 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:50:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars
In-Reply-To: <20030917204125.14865.qmail@web14301.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <007901c37d5d$6cae7930$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Hmmm...I wonder if it would be easier to just rethink how I'm handling
things with multiple forms.

Jeff Siegel

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Chris Shiflett
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:41 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars


--- Jeff <jsiegel1 at optonline.net> wrote:
> Is there a way to repost Post variables

Yes.

> i.e., pass along Post data, along with a header location change?

No. :-)

To perform a POST with PHP, you have can do it manually:

http://shiflett.org/dev/php_post.phps

or you can use PEAR's HTTP request class:

http://shiflett.org/dev/pear_post.phps

or you can use cURL, and for some reason I don't have an example for
that.

Please note that all of this code was written a long time ago and used
to
search php.net for cURL (I think that's why I didn't have an example for
that).
It should work fine or at least give you an idea of where to look.

Hope that helps.

Chris

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From shiflett at php.net  Wed Sep 17 15:57:39 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (shiflett at php.net)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:57:39 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Out of the office
Message-ID: <106383227301@mercury.hosting4u.net>

Hello,

I will be unavailable until Tuesday September 22, 

Thank you, 



From drydell at worldnet.att.net  Wed Sep 17 17:04:51 2003
From: drydell at worldnet.att.net (David Rydell)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:04:51 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars
In-Reply-To: <20030917204125.14865.qmail@web14301.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CFEJLJCMCEBCFAMOFFFAEECJCPAA.drydell@worldnet.att.net>

you might consider storing the $_POST array as a session variable...

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Chris Shiflett
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 4:41 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars


--- Jeff <jsiegel1 at optonline.net> wrote:
> Is there a way to repost Post variables

Yes.

> i.e., pass along Post data, along with a header location change?

No. :-)

To perform a POST with PHP, you have can do it manually:

http://shiflett.org/dev/php_post.phps

or you can use PEAR's HTTP request class:

http://shiflett.org/dev/pear_post.phps

or you can use cURL, and for some reason I don't have an example for that.

Please note that all of this code was written a long time ago and used to
search php.net for cURL (I think that's why I didn't have an example for
that).
It should work fine or at least give you an idea of where to look.

Hope that helps.

Chris

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From shiflett at php.net  Wed Sep 17 17:05:08 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (shiflett at php.net)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:05:08 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Out of the office
Message-ID: <106383270701@mercury.hosting4u.net>

Hello,

I will be unavailable until Tuesday September 22, 

Thank you, 



From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Wed Sep 17 15:53:37 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:53:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars
References: <007901c37d5d$6cae7930$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <015101c37d55$62dd0550$8119fea9@thinkpad>

you would probably want to use sessions or the db then, or you can use
chris's php_post method along w/ ur previous content via something like ...

foreach($_POST as $key=>$value) {
   echo $key."=".$value;
  }

- jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
To: <shiflett at php.net>; "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 4:50 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars


> Hmmm...I wonder if it would be easier to just rethink how I'm handling
> things with multiple forms.
>
> Jeff Siegel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
> On Behalf Of Chris Shiflett
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:41 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars
>
>
> --- Jeff <jsiegel1 at optonline.net> wrote:
> > Is there a way to repost Post variables
>
> Yes.
>
> > i.e., pass along Post data, along with a header location change?
>
> No. :-)
>
> To perform a POST with PHP, you have can do it manually:
>
> http://shiflett.org/dev/php_post.phps
>
> or you can use PEAR's HTTP request class:
>
> http://shiflett.org/dev/pear_post.phps
>
> or you can use cURL, and for some reason I don't have an example for
> that.
>
> Please note that all of this code was written a long time ago and used
> to
> search php.net for cURL (I think that's why I didn't have an example for
> that).
> It should work fine or at least give you an idea of where to look.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Chris
>
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From crisscott at netzero.com  Wed Sep 17 17:13:09 2003
From: crisscott at netzero.com (crisscott at netzero.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 21:13:09 GMT
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars
Message-ID: <20030917.141345.15023.284773@webmail06.lax.untd.com>


I don't know how secure this would be or if it is considered really bad, but what about saving them in $_SESSION and then redirecting?  Something like:
$_SESSION['post_vars'] = $_POST;
header(blah...);
And then when you get to the second page you could put them back:
$_POST = $_SESSION['post_vars'];
unset($_SESSION['post_vars']);

I have no idea what the implications of this are.

Scott Mattocks


From csnyder at chxo.com  Wed Sep 17 17:15:12 2003
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:15:12 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Out of the office
In-Reply-To: <106383270701@mercury.hosting4u.net>
References: <106383270701@mercury.hosting4u.net>
Message-ID: <3F68CEE0.6070304@chxo.com>

Sigh. Happens to everyone, sooner or later.

shiflett at php.net wrote:

>Hello,
>
>I will be unavailable until Tuesday September 22, 
>
>Thank you, 
>
>  
>



From shiflett at php.net  Wed Sep 17 17:18:03 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:18:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Out of the office
In-Reply-To: <3F68CEE0.6070304@chxo.com>
Message-ID: <20030917211803.16238.qmail@web14306.mail.yahoo.com>

Actually, as I pointed out to someone else, that email was not sent from me (or
php.net). Don't forget that the From header can be spoofed.

I don't have vacation messages.

Chris

--- Chris Snyder <csnyder at chxo.com> wrote:
> Sigh. Happens to everyone, sooner or later.
> 
> shiflett at php.net wrote:
> 
> >Hello,
> >
> >I will be unavailable until Tuesday September 22, 
> >
> >Thank you,


From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Wed Sep 17 17:57:58 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:57:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars
In-Reply-To: <20030917.141345.15023.284773@webmail06.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <007d01c37d66$ca367a90$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Good question. Anyone know about the security implications? 

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
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Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 4:13 PM
To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars



I don't know how secure this would be or if it is considered really bad,
but what about saving them in $_SESSION and then redirecting?  Something
like:
$_SESSION['post_vars'] = $_POST;
header(blah...);
And then when you get to the second page you could put them back:
$_POST = $_SESSION['post_vars'];
unset($_SESSION['post_vars']);

I have no idea what the implications of this are.

Scott Mattocks
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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Wed Sep 17 17:57:58 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:57:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars
In-Reply-To: <015101c37d55$62dd0550$8119fea9@thinkpad>
Message-ID: <007e01c37d66$ca7bc0f0$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

That's what I'm gonna do.

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of jon baer
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 2:54 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars


you would probably want to use sessions or the db then, or you can use
chris's php_post method along w/ ur previous content via something like
...

foreach($_POST as $key=>$value) {
   echo $key."=".$value;
  }

- jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
To: <shiflett at php.net>; "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 4:50 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars


> Hmmm...I wonder if it would be easier to just rethink how I'm handling
> things with multiple forms.
>
> Jeff Siegel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
> On Behalf Of Chris Shiflett
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:41 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars
>
>
> --- Jeff <jsiegel1 at optonline.net> wrote:
> > Is there a way to repost Post variables
>
> Yes.
>
> > i.e., pass along Post data, along with a header location change?
>
> No. :-)
>
> To perform a POST with PHP, you have can do it manually:
>
> http://shiflett.org/dev/php_post.phps
>
> or you can use PEAR's HTTP request class:
>
> http://shiflett.org/dev/pear_post.phps
>
> or you can use cURL, and for some reason I don't have an example for
> that.
>
> Please note that all of this code was written a long time ago and used
> to
> search php.net for cURL (I think that's why I didn't have an example
for
> that).
> It should work fine or at least give you an idea of where to look.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Chris
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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Wed Sep 17 17:57:58 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:57:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars
In-Reply-To: <CFEJLJCMCEBCFAMOFFFAEECJCPAA.drydell@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <007f01c37d66$cab4f960$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

I do that in other places...I'll probably do that again.

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On Behalf Of David Rydell
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 4:05 PM
To: shiflett at php.net; NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars


you might consider storing the $_POST array as a session variable...

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Chris Shiflett
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 4:41 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars


--- Jeff <jsiegel1 at optonline.net> wrote:
> Is there a way to repost Post variables

Yes.

> i.e., pass along Post data, along with a header location change?

No. :-)

To perform a POST with PHP, you have can do it manually:

http://shiflett.org/dev/php_post.phps

or you can use PEAR's HTTP request class:

http://shiflett.org/dev/pear_post.phps

or you can use cURL, and for some reason I don't have an example for
that.

Please note that all of this code was written a long time ago and used
to
search php.net for cURL (I think that's why I didn't have an example for
that).
It should work fine or at least give you an idea of where to look.

Hope that helps.

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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Wed Sep 17 18:15:50 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 18:15:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Best practices for form input/output between PHP &
	MySQL?
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F23aZI758Nqm4P00002181@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY2-F23aZI758Nqm4P00002181@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20030917221550.GA24505@panix.com>

Hi Dan:

On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 04:56:36PM -0400, D C Krook wrote:
> 
> We take care to sanitize user input and data display by way of 
> addslashes(), stripslashes(), htmlfunctions(), nl2br() and the like, but 
> occasionally a legitimate backslash in a code snippet gets removed when 
> updating a textarea containing some code, for example:
> 
> escape(document.title.replace(/\+/g,''))
>  becomes
> escape(document.title.replace(/+/g,''))

By the way your talking, it sounds like you're using stripslashes after 
pulling stuff out of the database -- before displaying it.  Am I reading 
you right?

If so, that's not needed and leads to weird things like you're talking 
about.

If not, where are you using it?

You only need to use it _once_, before putting items into a query.  The
slashes won't be stored in the database.


> function sanitizeInputForDB ($strFieldInput) {

addslashes();

But, you'll also need to make sure data going to numeric fields don't have
anything except numeric characters.  This is because such fields don't
need to be quoted in query strings, thus they're open to being easily
manipulated.


> function formatDataForDisplay ($strData, $isTextArea = false) {

All output should be run through htmlspecialchars(), regardless of it 
being a textarea or not.  That's all you need to do.

Enjoy,

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From shiflett at php.net  Wed Sep 17 18:30:43 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:30:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Best practices for form input/output between PHP &
	MySQL?
In-Reply-To: <20030917221550.GA24505@panix.com>
Message-ID: <20030917223043.92104.qmail@web14310.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Analysis & Solutions <danielc at analysisandsolutions.com> wrote:
> By the way your talking, it sounds like you're using stripslashes
> after pulling stuff out of the database -- before displaying it.
> Am I reading you right?
> 
> If so, that's not needed and leads to weird things like you're
> talking about.
> 
> If not, where are you using it?
> 
> You only need to use it _once_, before putting items into a query.

I think you mean to imply the use of addslashes() when generating your SQL
query. I just wanted to clarify that.

Chris

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From nyphp at websapp.com  Wed Sep 17 18:33:22 2003
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 18:33:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Best practices for form input/output between PHP
	&MySQL?
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F23aZI758Nqm4P00002181@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <OKEHLLMAFAOHECBMOGEPMEMKFBAA.nyphp@websapp.com>

Hey Dan,

If you don't need to search the code in the database you may want to
base64_encode/decode it.

Best,
Daniel


> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of D C Krook
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 4:57 PM
> To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Best practices for form input/output between PHP
> &MySQL?
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> I work on a web application that is used to manage tasks and work
> flow among
> a team of developers and producers.  Clients enter tasks, developers make
> notes and occasionally add code snippets via a standard form with text
> inputs and textarea boxes.
>
> We take care to sanitize user input and data display by way of
> addslashes(),
> stripslashes(), htmlfunctions(), nl2br() and the like, but occasionally a
> legitimate backslash in a code snippet gets removed when updating
> a textarea
> containing some code, for example:
>
> escape(document.title.replace(/\+/g,''))
>   becomes
> escape(document.title.replace(/+/g,''))
>
> Of course, that sort of thing is not easy to catch when you're developing
> such an application (it went unnoticed in our case for quite a
> few months),
> so I'm wondering if anyone can share some good utility functions that can
> sanitize form input going into a database and information coming from the
> database for display in the browser (with HTML entitized).
>
> In essence, I'd like to hear some thoughts on the most robust way
> to flesh
> out the following functions:
>
>
> function sanitizeInputForDB ($strFieldInput) {
>
> }
>
> function formatDataForDisplay ($strData, $isTextArea = false) {
> 	if (!$isTextArea) {
>
> 	} else {
>
> 	}
> }
>
>
> TIA,
> -Dan
>
>
>
> ==========================================
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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Wed Sep 17 23:20:55 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 23:20:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php & mysql in SecurityFocus Newsletter #214
Message-ID: <20030918032055.GA2091@panix.com>

Hey Folks:

More excitement...

-----------------------
MySQL Password Handler Buffer Overflow Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/8590

The issue presents itself, due to a lack of sufficient bounds checking
performed on MySQL user passwords that are stored in the 'Password' field
of the 'User' table in a MySQL database. It has been reported that MySQL
fails to properly perform bounds checking when processing passwords. A  
password greater that 16 characters may overrun the bounds of a reserved
buffer in memory and corrupt adjacent memory. The buffer overflow occurs
in an ACL_USER instance of acl_init(), and may ultimately result in the
corruption of a saved instruction pointer.

An attacker with global administrative privileges on an affected MySQL    
server may potentially exploit this condition to have arbitrary supplied
instructions executed in the context of the MySQL server.

This vulnerability has been reported to affect all versions of MySQL up to
and including 4.0.14 and 3.0.57.
-----------------------

Digital Scribe Error Function Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerabi...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/8551

PHPBB URL BBCode HTML Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/8570

Invision Power Board Index.php Showtopic Cross-Site Scriptin...
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/8575

KokeshCMS Unauthorized Content Editing Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/8585

b2evolution Multiple Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/8586

b2evolution Multiple SQL Injection Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/8591


Enjoy,

--Dan

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From lists at ny-tech.net  Thu Sep 18 01:53:43 2003
From: lists at ny-tech.net (Nasir Zubair)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 01:53:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Array keys in Smarty
In-Reply-To: <20030918032055.GA2091@panix.com>
Message-ID: <000001c37da9$3a7c5e40$6401a8c0@main>

Is it possible to access the keys of an associative array _in_ a template. 

- Nasir



From csnyder at chxo.com  Thu Sep 18 08:59:38 2003
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:59:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Array keys in Smarty
In-Reply-To: <000001c37da9$3a7c5e40$6401a8c0@main>
References: <000001c37da9$3a7c5e40$6401a8c0@main>
Message-ID: <3F69AC3A.6090900@chxo.com>

Yes-- the syntax is like Java, though: {$array.key}
You may also use objects, with no change: {$object->property}

Or were you asking about getting at the keys themselves, using something 
like a foreach loop?

    csnyder

Nasir Zubair wrote:

>Is it possible to access the keys of an associative array _in_ a template. 
>
>- Nasir
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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Thu Sep 18 07:53:46 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 07:53:46 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Array keys in Smarty
References: <000001c37da9$3a7c5e40$6401a8c0@main>
Message-ID: <004e01c37ddb$84b54d50$8119fea9@thinkpad>

good question ...

have u tried something like passing in the keys before the template? ie:

$keys = array_keys($array);

{section name=x loop=$keys}
{$keys[x]}<br/>
{/section}

- jon

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To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 1:53 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Array keys in Smarty


> Is it possible to access the keys of an associative array _in_ a template.
>
> - Nasir
>
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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Thu Sep 18 09:59:20 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:59:20 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Cookie values - Clean 'em out
Message-ID: <011601c37ded$1b16dc30$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

I need to allow website visitors to "reset" their cookie values, so to
speak. Anyone have a recommended "method"? Just loop through the array
of vals and set to ''?

Jeff Siegel
P.S. Here's the answer to the question that some may have...namely, why
should visitors be allowed to "reset" their cookie values? Well, after a
user has submitted a form, some of the values are saved in a cookie. On
subsequent visits to the website, those cookie values are automatically
read..and fed..into the appropriate text box fields. So...if they
accidentally messed up during the previous use of the form and bad
values are in the cookies...it seems there should be a simple way to
allow the user to clear out those values.
 



From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Thu Sep 18 10:15:32 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:15:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Cookie values - Clean 'em out
In-Reply-To: <011601c37ded$1b16dc30$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
References: <011601c37ded$1b16dc30$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <20030918141532.GA11019@panix.com>

Hi Jeff:

On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 09:59:20AM -0400, Jeff wrote:

> read..and fed..into the appropriate text box fields. So...if they
> accidentally messed up during the previous use of the form and bad
> values are in the cookies...it seems there should be a simple way to
> allow the user to clear out those values.

So, then why not have a preferences page?  It'll have a form displaying
the data from all such cookies.  If something is wrong, the person can 
change it and save the corrected data.

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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Thu Sep 18 11:00:17 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:00:17 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Cookie values - Clean 'em out
In-Reply-To: <20030918141532.GA11019@panix.com>
Message-ID: <012e01c37df5$98cbd2e0$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

That's a nice clean way to do it. I like it!!

Jeff Siegel

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On Behalf Of Analysis & Solutions
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 9:16 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Cookie values - Clean 'em out


Hi Jeff:

On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 09:59:20AM -0400, Jeff wrote:

> read..and fed..into the appropriate text box fields. So...if they
> accidentally messed up during the previous use of the form and bad
> values are in the cookies...it seems there should be a simple way to
> allow the user to clear out those values.

So, then why not have a preferences page?  It'll have a form displaying
the data from all such cookies.  If something is wrong, the person can 
change it and save the corrected data.

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From csnyder at chxo.com  Thu Sep 18 15:10:18 2003
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:10:18 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] ssh/sftp for php?
Message-ID: <3F6A031A.1020606@chxo.com>

Does anybody know of an existing class or extension that allows a PHP 
script to use the sftp subsystem of ssh?
I know that I can use ftps, aka ftp+ssl/tls. But those servers are 
pretty rare compared to servers with ssh.

    csnyder.



From dmintz at panix.com  Thu Sep 18 15:34:11 2003
From: dmintz at panix.com (David Mintz)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:34:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] more queries, or bigger in-memory data structure ?
In-Reply-To: <000001c37da9$3a7c5e40$6401a8c0@main>
References: <000001c37da9$3a7c5e40$6401a8c0@main>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0309181511040.12976@panix5.panix.com>


I'm gonna try to explain this as briefly and clearly as I can.

I've got a scheduling program for us court interpreters where there's a
table called 'events'. An event has attributes like date, time, judge,
type of proceeding, language, etc. Of course things like judge and
language are stored as smallints pointing to related records in other
tables. Thus, in order to fetch human-meaningful data I have to join
several tables.

"SELECT events.event_id, events.docket,events.event_time,
 	judges.lastname, proceedings.type, languages.name,
	events.notes, languages.lang_id,
	FROM judges, proceedings, languages, events
	WHERE events.event_date = '$date'
	AND events.judge_id = judges.judge_id
	AND events.language_id = languages.lang_id
	AND events.proceeding_id = proceedings.proceeding_id"

OK, so far so good. But I also want to display data from tables that are
in a 1-M relationship to 'events'. An event can have zero or more
interpreters assigned to it, or zero or more defendant names associated
with it. And I only want to display row of data per event. So even if I
could figure out the LEFT JOIN syntax to left-join multiple tables in this
way, if such is possible, it still wouldn't give me what I want.

What I've been doing is building one associative array with the event_ids
as keys and merging it all together with three queries. (There are rarely
more than about 30 elements at this point.)

My question is, would it be more efficient to do the first query first,
and as I loop through the result, query the related tables, resulting in
maybe 60 queries per page access? Or do it with a lot fewer database
calls, but suck up more memory?

I've always thought it kind of rude to hammer the database when there's
another way, but frankly I'm not sure, maybe that's what MySQL is there
for.

TIA,

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From adam at trachtenberg.com  Thu Sep 18 15:43:13 2003
From: adam at trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:43:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] more queries, or bigger in-memory data structure
 ?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0309181511040.12976@panix5.panix.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309181537330.29960-100000@miranda.org>

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, David Mintz wrote:

> My question is, would it be more efficient to do the first query first,
> and as I loop through the result, query the related tables, resulting in
> maybe 60 queries per page access? Or do it with a lot fewer database
> calls, but suck up more memory?

I believe the snarky answer is: "It depends. Do you have more memory
on your Web server boxes or excess processor cycles on your database
machines?"

The second snarky answer is: "Does it even matter? Are your machines
under such load that this comparison is meaningful? If not, code
whatever is most maintainable and document that the other solution may
be necessary under duress." (Alt Answer: Is one significantly faster?)

Finally, my answer is that 60 database calls seems like a lot. I would
probably do fewer calls and more in PHP. Again, I would need to know
the memory footprint and the speed tradeoffs.

-adam

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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Thu Sep 18 14:35:07 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:35:07 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] ssh/sftp for php?
References: <3F6A031A.1020606@chxo.com>
Message-ID: <001501c37e13$95cc79f0$6500a8c0@thinkpad>

i too am looking for something similar to what Perl has:

http://www.stupidfool.org/perl/net-ssh/

- jon

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To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 3:10 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] ssh/sftp for php?


> Does anybody know of an existing class or extension that allows a PHP 
> script to use the sftp subsystem of ssh?
> I know that I can use ftps, aka ftp+ssl/tls. But those servers are 
> pretty rare compared to servers with ssh.
> 
>     csnyder.
> 
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From dmintz at panix.com  Thu Sep 18 15:57:37 2003
From: dmintz at panix.com (David Mintz)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:57:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] more queries, or bigger in-memory data structure
 ?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309181537330.29960-100000@miranda.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309181537330.29960-100000@miranda.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0309181545020.12976@panix5.panix.com>


Thanks Adam.

I had a feeling the answer would be something like that. I don't know
techniques for measuring memory usage/db access tradeoffs so I don't know
objectively.... I believe the answer to the snarky answers is, no there's
not such a big load on our (one) server and I can surely get away with
either approach, but I'd like to do it "right". I think I will stick with
more PHP/less MySQL.

BTW -- once I had a similar scenario with a Perl/CGI/DBI script and I went
with the big data structure approach, and the thing was so astonishingly
slow (on a shared server) that I know something had to be hideously wrong.

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg wrote:

> On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, David Mintz wrote:
>
> > My question is, would it be more efficient to do the first query first,
> > and as I loop through the result, query the related tables, resulting in
> > maybe 60 queries per page access? Or do it with a lot fewer database
> > calls, but suck up more memory?
>
> I believe the snarky answer is: "It depends. Do you have more memory
> on your Web server boxes or excess processor cycles on your database
> machines?"
>
> The second snarky answer is: "Does it even matter? Are your machines
> under such load that this comparison is meaningful? If not, code
> whatever is most maintainable and document that the other solution may
> be necessary under duress." (Alt Answer: Is one significantly faster?)
>
> Finally, my answer is that 60 database calls seems like a lot. I would
> probably do fewer calls and more in PHP. Again, I would need to know
> the memory footprint and the speed tradeoffs.
>
> -adam


From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Thu Sep 18 16:12:04 2003
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:12:04 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] more queries, or bigger in-memory data structure ?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0309181511040.12976@panix5.panix.com>
Message-ID: <000201c37e21$21435ff0$bf8d3818@OBERON1>

You probably have already thought of this, but if things
slow down too much, you could put the judge's name in the
event table. This brings about the usual headaches
(referential integrity checks you have to make) when you
de-normalize a design. But it might not be too bad (I am
assuming the judges don't change much on the events). 

Just a thought

T. Gales & Associates
Helping People Connect with Technology
http://www.tgaconnect.com

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of David
Mintz
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 3:34 PM
To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
Subject: [nycphp-talk] more queries, or bigger in-memory data
structure ?


I'm gonna try to explain this as briefly and clearly as I
can.

I've got a scheduling program for us court interpreters
where there's a
table called 'events'. An event has attributes like date,
time, judge,
type of proceeding, language, etc. Of course things like
judge and
language are stored as smallints pointing to related records
in other
tables. Thus, in order to fetch human-meaningful data I have
to join
several tables.

"SELECT events.event_id, events.docket,events.event_time,
 	judges.lastname, proceedings.type, languages.name,
	events.notes, languages.lang_id,
	FROM judges, proceedings, languages, events
	WHERE events.event_date = '$date'
	AND events.judge_id = judges.judge_id
	AND events.language_id = languages.lang_id
	AND events.proceeding_id =
proceedings.proceeding_id"

OK, so far so good. But I also want to display data from
tables that are
in a 1-M relationship to 'events'. An event can have zero or
more
interpreters assigned to it, or zero or more defendant names
associated
with it. And I only want to display row of data per event.
So even if I
could figure out the LEFT JOIN syntax to left-join multiple
tables in this
way, if such is possible, it still wouldn't give me what I
want.

What I've been doing is building one associative array with
the event_ids
as keys and merging it all together with three queries.
(There are rarely
more than about 30 elements at this point.)

My question is, would it be more efficient to do the first
query first,
and as I loop through the result, query the related tables,
resulting in
maybe 60 queries per page access? Or do it with a lot fewer
database
calls, but suck up more memory?

I've always thought it kind of rude to hammer the database
when there's
another way, but frankly I'm not sure, maybe that's what
MySQL is there
for.

TIA,

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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Thu Sep 18 16:44:14 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:44:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] more queries, or bigger in-memory data structure ?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0309181511040.12976@panix5.panix.com>
References: <000001c37da9$3a7c5e40$6401a8c0@main>
	<Pine.NEB.4.58.0309181511040.12976@panix5.panix.com>
Message-ID: <20030918204413.GA25949@panix.com>

Hey David:

On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 03:34:11PM -0400, David Mintz wrote:
> 
> So even if I
> could figure out the LEFT JOIN syntax to left-join multiple tables in this
> way, if such is possible, it still wouldn't give me what I want.

With clever looping and comparisons, I bet you could get what you want 
with one query.

For exapmle, I've made some calendars where the items are ORDER BY
EventDate, StartTime.  I then loop through the results.  Before starting,
a variable named $LastDate is set to the date of the first record and a
date header is printed out.  While looping through, before displaying each
record, the $LastDate is compared to the current event date.  Once the 
dates are different, then the next date header is printed.

See http://www.bikesummer.org/calendar/ to see what I mean.

Similarly, you can use this principle to handle multiple sub-items.  Like, 
printing the Interpreter and Defendants only when the name changes.

Am I writing this clearly?

--Dan

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From dmintz at panix.com  Thu Sep 18 16:51:08 2003
From: dmintz at panix.com (David Mintz)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:51:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] more queries, or bigger in-memory data structure
 ?
In-Reply-To: <000201c37e21$21435ff0$bf8d3818@OBERON1>
References: <000201c37e21$21435ff0$bf8d3818@OBERON1>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0309181614520.23783@panix5.panix.com>


On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Tim Gales wrote:

> You probably have already thought of this, but if things
> slow down too much, you could put the judge's name in the
> event table. This brings about the usual headaches
> (referential integrity checks you have to make) when you
> de-normalize a design. But it might not be too bad (I am
> assuming the judges don't change much on the events).

Sshhhh, don't let the Normalization Police hear you.

Theoretically one could also make more liberal use of ENUM column types.
Which would also bring major maintenance headaches of its own. Sometimes a
judge retires or dies and should be concealed from the user yet remain
there un-deleted for historical and referential integrity reasons. I don't
even want to think about how to implement that with an ENUM.



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From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Thu Sep 18 16:51:16 2003
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (tgales at tgaconnect.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:51:16 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Out of the office
Message-ID: <106391827501@mercury.hosting4u.net>

Hello,

I will be unavailable until Tuesday September 22, 

Thank you, 



From dmintz at panix.com  Thu Sep 18 17:03:20 2003
From: dmintz at panix.com (David Mintz)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 17:03:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] more queries, or bigger in-memory data structure
 ?
In-Reply-To: <20030918204413.GA25949@panix.com>
References: <000001c37da9$3a7c5e40$6401a8c0@main>
	<Pine.NEB.4.58.0309181511040.12976@panix5.panix.com>
	<20030918204413.GA25949@panix.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0309181653570.23783@panix5.panix.com>

Dan,

I believe I do follow you and I don't think it would do for me (or, it
would work, and I do not understand you (-:).

If two successive 'subitems' are different, I want to concatenate the
fields that are different and display then in one cell in one row.

Let's say the result set looked like this

Judge  Language  Defendant  Interpreter
------------------------------------
Jones  Spanish   Estrada    Mirta
Jones  Spanish   Estrada    Elena

...then I want to display


Judge  Language  Defendant  Interpreters
---------------------------------------
Jones  Spanish   Estrada    Mirta, Elena


...because that's what makes sense to the user. Zat make any sense?

Thanks,

	David


On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Analysis & Solutions wrote:

> Hey David:
>
> On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 03:34:11PM -0400, David Mintz wrote:
> >
> > So even if I
> > could figure out the LEFT JOIN syntax to left-join multiple tables in this
> > way, if such is possible, it still wouldn't give me what I want.
>
> With clever looping and comparisons, I bet you could get what you want
> with one query.
>
> For exapmle, I've made some calendars where the items are ORDER BY
> EventDate, StartTime.  I then loop through the results.  Before starting,
> a variable named $LastDate is set to the date of the first record and a
> date header is printed out.  While looping through, before displaying each
> record, the $LastDate is compared to the current event date.  Once the
> dates are different, then the next date header is printed.
>
> See http://www.bikesummer.org/calendar/ to see what I mean.
>
> Similarly, you can use this principle to handle multiple sub-items.  Like,
> printing the Interpreter and Defendants only when the name changes.
>
> Am I writing this clearly?
>
> --Dan
>
> --
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From shiflett at php.net  Thu Sep 18 17:05:03 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:05:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] more queries, or bigger in-memory data structure ?
In-Reply-To: <20030918204413.GA25949@panix.com>
Message-ID: <20030918210503.82040.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Analysis & Solutions <danielc at analysisandsolutions.com> wrote:
> With clever looping and comparisons, I bet you could get what
> you want with one query.

I might be misinterpreting his question, but I believe he was asking whether he
should, not whether he could.

As Adam mentioned, with one query, you place a lot of data in memory, which is
good if you can handle it and bad if you can't. With multiple queries, you
create more load on the database, it might be slower, etc.

Without having a good idea about the particular tradeoffs in someone's
situation, it is hard to suggest one way over the other. Personally, I try to
organize my data so well that my queries are as simple as possible (I'm not
joining multiple tables all the time), useful as possible (I can get exactly
the data I need from a simple query), and use up as little memory as possible
(the number of records returned are no more than I need). Given this, I almost
always limit my interactions with the database and do everything in PHP.

Hope that helps.

Chris


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Thu Sep 18 17:29:43 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 17:29:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] more queries, or bigger in-memory data structure ?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0309181653570.23783@panix5.panix.com>
References: <000001c37da9$3a7c5e40$6401a8c0@main>
	<Pine.NEB.4.58.0309181511040.12976@panix5.panix.com>
	<20030918204413.GA25949@panix.com>
	<Pine.NEB.4.58.0309181653570.23783@panix5.panix.com>
Message-ID: <20030918212943.GA1221@panix.com>

David:

On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 05:03:20PM -0400, David Mintz wrote:
> 
> I believe I do follow you and I don't think it would do for me (or, it
> would work, and I do not understand you (-:).

Seems to be the latter. :)


> Judge  Language  Defendant  Interpreter
> ------------------------------------
> Jones  Spanish   Estrada    Mirta
> Jones  Spanish   Estrada    Elena
> 
> ...then I want to display
> 
> Judge  Language  Defendant  Interpreters
> ---------------------------------------
> Jones  Spanish   Estrada    Mirta, Elena
> 
> ...because that's what makes sense to the user. Zat make any sense?

Yes.  That's exactly what I thought you were talking about.

So, psuedo code...

$LastEvent = 0;
$LastDefendant = '';
$LastInterpreter = '';
$Defendants = array();
$Interpreters = array();

while ($row = fetchrow()) {
    if ($row['eventid'] != $LastEvent) {
        $LastJudge = $row['judge'];
        if ($row['Defendant'] != $LastDefendant) {
            $LastDefendant = $row['Defendant'];
            $Defednants[] = $row['Defendant'];
        }   
        if ($row['Interpreter'] != $LastInterpreter) {
            $LastInterpreter = $row['Interpreter'];
            $Interpreters[] = $row['Interpreter'];
        }
    } else {
        echo "<tr><td>$LastJudge</td>";
        echo '<td>' . implode(', ', $Defendants) . '</td>';
        echo '<td>' . implode(', ', $Interpreters) . "</td></tr>\n";
        $Defendants = array();
        $Interpreters = array();
        $Defednants[] = $row['Defendant'];
        $Interpreters[] = $row['Interpreter'];
        // also probably need to set the $Last* vars too,
        // but I'm getting lazy and you get the idea by now...
    }
}

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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Thu Sep 18 17:33:28 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 17:33:28 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] more queries, or bigger in-memory data structure ?
In-Reply-To: <20030918210503.82040.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030918204413.GA25949@panix.com>
	<20030918210503.82040.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030918213328.GB1221@panix.com>

Hey Chris:

On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 02:05:03PM -0700, Chris Shiflett wrote:
> 
> I might be misinterpreting his question, but I believe he was asking 
> whether he
> should, not whether he could.

Yes and no.  In the question was a lingering doubt that he could 
accomplish it in one query.

Enjoy,

--Dan

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From rdumas at cmj.com  Thu Sep 18 18:03:34 2003
From: rdumas at cmj.com (Robert Dumas)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:03:34 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Simple parse/replace
Message-ID: <2ADC7BED20C3D711BFF100508B8FA3E307FBB2@webproxy.uat.dbinsight.com>

That's some great code. Thanks; it works beautifully.

One more thing:  I have a text field for users to enter notes, but if they
include a carriage return, it carries over to the log. How do I strip out
any \n's a user has input (and preferably replace them with, say, a <br />
tag, or at least a space)?

-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg [mailto:adam at trachtenberg.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 7:35 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Cc: LIPHP (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Simple parse/replace

This should be enough to get you started:

$fp = fopen('foo.tab', 'r');
print "<table>\n";
while ($line = fgetcsv($fp, 1000, "\t")) {
  print "  <tr>\n    <td>";
  print join("</td>\n    <td>", $line);
  print "</td>\n  </tr>\n";
}
print "</table>\n";
fclose($fp);

-adam

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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Thu Sep 18 17:05:07 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 17:05:07 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Simple parse/replace
References: <2ADC7BED20C3D711BFF100508B8FA3E307FBB2@webproxy.uat.dbinsight.com>
Message-ID: <00bb01c37e28$8a5a9650$6500a8c0@thinkpad>

RE: [nycphp-talk] Simple parse/replacehttp://us2.php.net/nl2br

<?php
$string = "this is\nonly a test\n";
echo $string;
echo nl2br($string);
?>

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Robert Dumas 
  To: 'NYPHP Talk' 
  Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 6:03 PM
  Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Simple parse/replace


  That's some great code. Thanks; it works beautifully. 

  One more thing:  I have a text field for users to enter notes, but if they include a carriage return, it carries over to the log. How do I strip out any \n's a user has input (and preferably replace them with, say, a <br /> tag, or at least a space)?

  -----Original Message----- 
  From: Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg [mailto:adam at trachtenberg.com] 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 7:35 PM 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Cc: LIPHP (E-mail) 
  Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Simple parse/replace 

  This should be enough to get you started: 

  $fp = fopen('foo.tab', 'r'); 
  print "<table>\n"; 
  while ($line = fgetcsv($fp, 1000, "\t")) { 
    print "  <tr>\n    <td>"; 
    print join("</td>\n    <td>", $line); 
    print "</td>\n  </tr>\n"; 
  } 
  print "</table>\n"; 
  fclose($fp); 

  -adam 

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From southwell at dneba.com  Thu Sep 18 20:30:44 2003
From: southwell at dneba.com (Michael Southwell)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:30:44 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] setcookie and localhost
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030918202825.00b218b8@mail.optonline.net>

a script using setcookie works fine on a remote host but the cookie doesn't 
work on localhost (where I was testing)--the cookie is written but not 
read.  Is this something I should have known, or is something else going on 
here?  Can't find anything about this in docs.

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======================================================




From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Thu Sep 18 20:54:03 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:54:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] setcookie and localhost
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030918202825.00b218b8@mail.optonline.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030918202825.00b218b8@mail.optonline.net>
Message-ID: <20030919005402.GA1303@panix.com>

Hola Michael:

On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 08:30:44PM -0400, Michael Southwell wrote:
> a script using setcookie works fine on a remote host but the cookie doesn't 
> work on localhost (where I was testing)--the cookie is written but not 
> read.

I suspect the paths are different.  Adjust the path parameter as needed on 
the local machine and see what happens.

--Dan

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From shiflett at php.net  Thu Sep 18 21:08:22 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:08:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] setcookie and localhost
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030918202825.00b218b8@mail.optonline.net>
Message-ID: <20030919010822.35912.qmail@web14306.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Michael Southwell <southwell at dneba.com> wrote:
> a script using setcookie works fine on a remote host but the
> cookie doesn't work on localhost (where I was testing)--the
> cookie is written but not read.

Are you setting a domain? You can always omit that to use the current domain,
such as:

header('Set-Cookie: foo=bar');

Hope that helps.

Chris

=====
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http://httphandbook.org/


From dmintz at panix.com  Thu Sep 18 21:29:46 2003
From: dmintz at panix.com (David Mintz)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:29:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] more queries, or bigger in-memory data structure
 ?
In-Reply-To: <20030918212943.GA1221@panix.com>
References: <000001c37da9$3a7c5e40$6401a8c0@main>
	<Pine.NEB.4.58.0309181511040.12976@panix5.panix.com>
	<20030918204413.GA25949@panix.com>
	<Pine.NEB.4.58.0309181653570.23783@panix5.panix.com>
	<20030918212943.GA1221@panix.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0309182120380.2627@panix5.panix.com>

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Analysis & Solutions wrote:

> > I believe I do follow you and I don't think it would do for me (or, it
> > would work, and I do not understand you (-:).
>
> Seems to be the latter. :)
>
<snip />
> So, psuedo code...
<snip />


I think I follow you now. Seems like a solution, thank you. I suppose one
could haggle that you're pulling redundant data that you aren't gonna use,
if you see my point. Perhaps I'll  show you how I'm doing it, once I
get it presentable, see what you think.

Chris said:
<<Without having a good idea about the particular tradeoffs in someone's
situation, it is hard to suggest one way over the other. Personally, I try
to organize my data so well that my queries are as simple as possible (I'm
not joining multiple tables all the time), useful as possible (I can get
exactly the data I need from a simple query), and use up as little memory
as possible (the number of records returned are no more than I need).
Given this, I almost always limit my interactions with the database and do
everything in PHP.>>

I think I have done this as best I can in this particular scenario. The
only way to do fewer joins would be to de-normalize the hell out of my db,
and I would surely end up paying dearly for that elsewhere.

Anyway I'm grateful for the discussion. This list rocks.


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From southwell at dneba.com  Thu Sep 18 21:20:24 2003
From: southwell at dneba.com (Michael Southwell)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:20:24 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] setcookie and localhost
In-Reply-To: <20030919005402.GA1303@panix.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030918202825.00b218b8@mail.optonline.net>
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At 08:54 PM 9/18/2003, you wrote:
>Hola Michael:
>
>On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 08:30:44PM -0400, Michael Southwell wrote:
> > a script using setcookie works fine on a remote host but the cookie 
> doesn't
> > work on localhost (where I was testing)--the cookie is written but not
> > read.
>
>I suspect the paths are different.  Adjust the path parameter as needed on
>the local machine and see what happens.

sorry, don't get it.  Both Moz1.4 and IE6.0 know where to put the cookie 
without being told anything, and they do indeed put it there, but upon next 
invocation they don't read it, as if it's not there.  What "path parameter" 
is this?


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From shiflett at php.net  Thu Sep 18 21:37:08 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:37:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] setcookie and localhost
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030918211752.00b39480@mail.optonline.net>
Message-ID: <20030919013708.69519.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Michael Southwell <southwell at dneba.com> wrote:
> sorry, don't get it. Both Moz1.4 and IE6.0 know where to put
> the cookie without being told anything, and they do indeed put
> it there, but upon next invocation they don't read it, as if
> it's not there.  What "path parameter" is this?

Cookies have various attributes that restrict the cases in which a browser will
send them in a request. He mentioned one of those attributes, path, that could
be causing your problem.

I think it is more likely a case of the domain being different, as that is
another attribute. Of course, we're both just guessing.

I am just now in the process of converting a chapter of my book into HTML, so
that I can offer it for free on my Web site. You can read the chapter (without
the figures, currently) here:

http://shiflett.org/books/http-developers-handbook/chapters/11

Hope that helps.

Chris

=====
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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Thu Sep 18 22:00:51 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:00:51 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] setcookie and localhost
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030918211752.00b39480@mail.optonline.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030918202825.00b218b8@mail.optonline.net>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20030918202825.00b218b8@mail.optonline.net>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20030918211752.00b39480@mail.optonline.net>
Message-ID: <20030919020051.GA6335@panix.com>

Michael:

On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 09:20:24PM -0400, Michael Southwell wrote:
> 
> sorry, don't get it.  Both Moz1.4 and IE6.0 know where to put the cookie 
> without being told anything, and they do indeed put it there, but upon next 
> invocation they don't read it, as if it's not there.

It doesn't have to do with where the cookie is stored.  It has to do with 
the path of the website for which the cookie in question will be 
accessible.

Read the manual.  http://php.net/setcookie

Enjoy,

--Dan

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From alfonso at ruboskizo.com  Fri Sep 19 05:02:25 2003
From: alfonso at ruboskizo.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Alfonso_S=E1nchez-Paus_D=EDaz?=)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:02:25 +0200
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars
References: <007101c37d5a$7d812490$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <001501c37e8c$bf3b4680$0900a8c0@PABLO>

You should try the http.inc class that you can find in PHPclasses website.
This class has methods to send POST variables trough PHP, and of course with
a header location change.
Cheers,
Alf



From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Fri Sep 19 05:48:14 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff Siegel)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 05:48:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars
In-Reply-To: <001501c37e8c$bf3b4680$0900a8c0@PABLO>
Message-ID: <003c01c37e93$258bb130$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Thank you. I'll check it out.

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Alfonso S?nchez-Paus D?az
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 4:02 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars


You should try the http.inc class that you can find in PHPclasses
website.
This class has methods to send POST variables trough PHP, and of course
with
a header location change.
Cheers,
Alf

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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Fri Sep 19 10:04:17 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:04:17 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars
In-Reply-To: <007d01c37d66$ca367a90$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
References: <20030917.141345.15023.284773@webmail06.lax.untd.com>
	<007d01c37d66$ca367a90$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <20030919140417.GA28005@panix.com>

Hey Jeff:

On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 05:57:58PM -0400, Jeff wrote:
> Good question. Anyone know about the security implications? 
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
> On Behalf Of crisscott at netzero.com
> 
> $_SESSION['post_vars'] = $_POST;
> header(blah...);
> And then when you get to the second page you could put them back:
> $_POST = $_SESSION['post_vars'];
> 
> I have no idea what the implications of this are.
>
> Scott Mattocks

I'd imagine the security risks involved are roughly equivalent to 
accepting post headers in the first place.  Only hitch is you've got to 
make sure you're dealing with the same person, which shouldn't be too 
hard.

--Dan

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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Fri Sep 19 09:06:39 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:06:39 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MERGE tables (MySQL) ...
Message-ID: <003c01c37eae$dd22cac0$8119fea9@thinkpad>

has anyone been in the situation to use them yet?

i need some clarification so i can understand their use a little better
because id like to arrange an application to use them because it requires
the need to pull out the data (tables), analyze them + flush the running
process (much like a logrotate type) ...

do merge tables have any real advantage + could you theoretically merge
tables securely over IP using these types of tables/files?

- jon

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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Fri Sep 19 10:39:25 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff Siegel)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:39:25 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars
In-Reply-To: <20030919140417.GA28005@panix.com>
Message-ID: <003301c37ebb$d3c0d500$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

That should, theoretically, be taken care of by the browser. No?

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Analysis & Solutions
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 9:04 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars


Hey Jeff:

On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 05:57:58PM -0400, Jeff wrote:
> Good question. Anyone know about the security implications? 
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
> On Behalf Of crisscott at netzero.com
> 
> $_SESSION['post_vars'] = $_POST;
> header(blah...);
> And then when you get to the second page you could put them back:
> $_POST = $_SESSION['post_vars'];
> 
> I have no idea what the implications of this are.
>
> Scott Mattocks

I'd imagine the security risks involved are roughly equivalent to 
accepting post headers in the first place.  Only hitch is you've got to 
make sure you're dealing with the same person, which shouldn't be too 
hard.

--Dan

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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Fri Sep 19 11:06:15 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:06:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars
In-Reply-To: <003301c37ebb$d3c0d500$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
References: <20030919140417.GA28005@panix.com>
	<003301c37ebb$d3c0d500$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <20030919150614.GA8744@panix.com>

Hey:

On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 10:39:25AM -0400, Jeff Siegel wrote:
> That should, theoretically, be taken care of by the browser. No?

Well, I don't use cookies.  I'd save $_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'] and the
current timestamp in the session and pass the session ID in the query
string of the header(Location) call.  The subsequent script checks the
saved user agent info matches and the time elapsed is less than a few 
seconds ago, you're good to continue.

--Dan

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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Fri Sep 19 15:39:19 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff Siegel)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 15:39:19 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars
In-Reply-To: <20030919150614.GA8744@panix.com>
Message-ID: <005301c37ee5$c1a32150$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Isn't it the case that if the user has cookies on it will use cookies
but if the user doesn't have cookies on...then PHP kinda handles things?


Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Analysis & Solutions
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 10:06 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars


Hey:

On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 10:39:25AM -0400, Jeff Siegel wrote:
> That should, theoretically, be taken care of by the browser. No?

Well, I don't use cookies.  I'd save $_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'] and the
current timestamp in the session and pass the session ID in the query
string of the header(Location) call.  The subsequent script checks the
saved user agent info matches and the time elapsed is less than a few 
seconds ago, you're good to continue.

--Dan

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From dorgan at optonline.net  Fri Sep 19 15:11:03 2003
From: dorgan at optonline.net (Donald J. Organ IV)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 15:11:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Logo Font
References: <20030919140417.GA28005@panix.com>
	<003301c37ebb$d3c0d500$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
	<20030919150614.GA8744@panix.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c37ee1$ce97ebb0$c801a8c0@dj>

Does anyone know what font the PHP logo uses??


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Fri Sep 19 16:14:34 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:14:34 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars
In-Reply-To: <005301c37ee5$c1a32150$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
References: <20030919150614.GA8744@panix.com>
	<005301c37ee5$c1a32150$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <20030919201434.GA1929@panix.com>

Hola:

On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 03:39:19PM -0400, Jeff Siegel wrote:
> Isn't it the case that if the user has cookies on it will use cookies
> but if the user doesn't have cookies on...then PHP kinda handles things?

Similar.  BUT, you're writing a header() call, which I doubt PHP would 
automatically stick a session ID into.

Adios,

--Dan

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From dmintz at panix.com  Fri Sep 19 16:25:34 2003
From: dmintz at panix.com (David Mintz)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:25:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars
In-Reply-To: <20030919201434.GA1929@panix.com>
References: <20030919150614.GA8744@panix.com>
	<005301c37ee5$c1a32150$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
	<20030919201434.GA1929@panix.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0309191624280.4056@panix5.panix.com>

On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Analysis & Solutions wrote:

> Hola:
>
> On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 03:39:19PM -0400, Jeff Siegel wrote:
> > Isn't it the case that if the user has cookies on it will use cookies
> > but if the user doesn't have cookies on...then PHP kinda handles things?
>
> Similar.  BUT, you're writing a header() call, which I doubt PHP would
> automatically stick a session ID into.


Plus don't you have to have url-rewriting configured? (I assume url
rewriting is what you're talking about).



From dkrook at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 19 17:26:36 2003
From: dkrook at hotmail.com (D C Krook)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:26:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Logo Font
Message-ID: <BAY2-F1582OaJ09N7sE0001ee55@hotmail.com>

It's Handel Gothic:

http://php.net/download-logos.php
http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/bitstream/handel-gothic/

>Does anyone know what font the PHP logo uses??

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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Fri Sep 19 18:05:26 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:05:26 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0309191624280.4056@panix5.panix.com>
References: <20030919150614.GA8744@panix.com>
	<005301c37ee5$c1a32150$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
	<20030919201434.GA1929@panix.com>
	<Pine.NEB.4.58.0309191624280.4056@panix5.panix.com>
Message-ID: <20030919220526.GA19324@panix.com>

On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 04:25:34PM -0400, David Mintz wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Analysis & Solutions wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 03:39:19PM -0400, Jeff Siegel wrote:
> > > Isn't it the case that if the user has cookies on it will use cookies
> > > but if the user doesn't have cookies on...then PHP kinda handles things?
> >
> > Similar.  BUT, you're writing a header() call, which I doubt PHP would
> > automatically stick a session ID into.
> 
> Plus don't you have to have url-rewriting configured? (I assume url
> rewriting is what you're talking about).

It's not clear who you're talking to.  Jeff was talking about URL 
rewriting.  I wasn't and URL rewriting doesn't have to be on.

--Dan

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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Fri Sep 19 20:22:23 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff Siegel)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 20:22:23 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars
In-Reply-To: <20030919201434.GA1929@panix.com>
Message-ID: <000701c37f0d$434e8e70$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

It seems to work without a hitch.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Analysis & Solutions
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 3:15 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars


Hola:

On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 03:39:19PM -0400, Jeff Siegel wrote:
> Isn't it the case that if the user has cookies on it will use cookies
> but if the user doesn't have cookies on...then PHP kinda handles
things?

Similar.  BUT, you're writing a header() call, which I doubt PHP would 
automatically stick a session ID into.

Adios,

--Dan

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From soazine at erols.com  Sat Sep 20 17:34:38 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 17:34:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fw: Delivery failure to pjmatthews@gotojml.com
Message-ID: <058701c37fbe$fe9e3200$67a76244@philofsoa>

Um, I didn't do this one! :)  So what's up with this?

Phil
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> I suggested that too, Mauricio.  He refused to do so, it was "more work
than
> what I expect from an upload page".  He has, or rather HAD an upload page
> (he deleted what I did now) that uploads the file, but he wanted it to
> upload only a SINGLE file, complete with images intact if need be.
>
> Phil
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mauricio Sadicoff" <mlevy at hypersol.com>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 3:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP project from Hell Story
>
>
> > On 8/22/2003 14:23, "Phil Powell" <soazine at erols.com> scribbled:
> >
> > > Has anyone have anything like this happen to them? How have you
handled
> it,
> > > I'm out of ideas.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Phil
> > >
> > > Phil,
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, this means that you were really not able to provide
what
> I had
> > > asked for.  As was explained in my original bid request "The key to
this
> will
> > > be that I would like to be able to add the pages in the password
> protected
> > > part of the site by either filling in a form OR using FrontPage 2002."
> Since
> > > I am not able to do this with adding text and images in a way that
> people can
> > > read it, I am going to have to find another alternative.  I will be
> deleting
> > > your files from the web site and starting over and hopefully will
still
> be
> > > able to have this finished by Sunday
> > >
> > > Lawrence
> >
> > Suggestion: Make an "upload" page. Something inside the pwd protected
page
> > that would allow him to upload many files. They will all upload to the
> same
> > directory, so the images will be there. Tell him that he has to have the
> > images in the same directory in his computer when he creates the file,
> this
> > should not be a problem.
> >
> > In the "upload" page, to avoid further discussion, you can even call one
> of
> > the upload fields "Word document" and the others images. You're just
using
> > HTML input fields, really, and uploading them to a specific directory.
> >
> > That should do it. If it does, 10% is my going rate, hehehe ;-)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Mauricio
> >
> > --- 
> >  Mauricio L. Sadicoff
> >  mlevy at hypersol.com
> >
> >
> > "Peace of mind isn't at all superficial, really," I expound. "It's the
> whole
> > thing. That which produces it is good maintenance; that which disturbs
it
> is
> > poor maintenance. What we call workability of the machine is just an
> > objectification of this peace of mind. The ultimate test is always your
> own
> > serenity." - Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > talk at lists.nyphp.org
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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Sat Sep 20 19:47:47 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 19:47:47 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fw: Delivery failure to pjmatthews@gotojml.com
References: <058701c37fbe$fe9e3200$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <009c01c37fd1$9886a840$8119fea9@thinkpad>

yeah its been totally unacceptable, today alone i had over ~+60 emails +
count that with another ~+100 Swen at MM (anyone else?) + emails been
completely flooded all over the place ... wonder if this one has anything to
do with verisigns new wildcard dns service ...

- jon



From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Sun Sep 21 09:45:29 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff Siegel)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 09:45:29 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars
In-Reply-To: <20030919201434.GA1929@panix.com>
Message-ID: <000001c38046$9f262890$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Dan,

If I'm reading this correctly, PHP does automatically handle the passing
of the session ID (see snippet below). However, it doesn't directly
address your question concerning the header call.

"PHP is capable of transforming links transparently. Unless you are
using PHP 4.2 or later, you need to enable it manually when building
PHP. Under UNIX, pass --enable-trans-sid to configure. If this build
option and the run-time option session.use_trans_sid are enabled,
relative URIs will be changed to contain the session id automatically."
(See: http://us3.php.net/session)

Jeff Siegel

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Analysis & Solutions
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 3:15 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars


Hola:

On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 03:39:19PM -0400, Jeff Siegel wrote:
> Isn't it the case that if the user has cookies on it will use cookies
> but if the user doesn't have cookies on...then PHP kinda handles
things?

Similar.  BUT, you're writing a header() call, which I doubt PHP would 
automatically stick a session ID into.

Adios,

--Dan

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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Sun Sep 21 11:34:16 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 11:34:16 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars
In-Reply-To: <000001c38046$9f262890$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
References: <20030919201434.GA1929@panix.com>
	<000001c38046$9f262890$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <20030921153416.GA16257@panix.com>

Howdy:

On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 09:45:29AM -0400, Jeff Siegel wrote:
> Dan,
> 
> If I'm reading this correctly, PHP does automatically handle the passing
> of the session ID (see snippet below). However, it doesn't directly
> address your question concerning the header call.

First, I doubt the transparent session ID / url rewriting works on
header(Location) calls.  Second, even if PHP did tack on a SID to the
location header, the location specified is supposed to be a full URI, thus 
would land in the rule that only relative links are rewritten.  Thus, you 
need to manually tack the session id into the header(Location) URI.

... snippity snip, because, that's why ...

--Dan

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From soazine at erols.com  Sun Sep 21 12:53:42 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 12:53:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP
Message-ID: <096301c38060$eb17b100$67a76244@philofsoa>

Ok guys, here we go again!

SELECT s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_navn 
FROM nnet_produkt_storrelse s, nnet_produkt_varegruppe v, nnet_storrelse_varegruppe_assoc sv 
WHERE s.nnet_produkt_storrelse.id = sv.nnet_produkt_storrelse id 
 AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id 
 AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id IN (
   SELECT nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id 
   FROM nnet_produkt_varegruppe
   WHERE nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code =  'FLU17' 
 )
 AND s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id > 1

This produces the following error:

You have an error in your SQL syntax near 'id AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id AND sv.nnet_' at line 1

I don't see anything wrong with this query, it's standard inner SELECT stuff!  I need help... again!

Phil
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From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Sun Sep 21 13:08:07 2003
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 13:08:07 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] (no subject)
Message-ID: <001101c38062$ed8bfa70$bf8d3818@OBERON1>

Hello it's me again

Sorry for this 'nit-picken' detail stuff again but in
regards to may last post:

 

1.           If you are careful to always use '<br />'
instead of '<br>' the validator won't complain about a
missing end tag.
 
2.           If you never start an unordered list without at
least <li> </li> (empty element) as in:
 
             Line 213: <ul><br />
 
         And you remember to close list items e.g. 
 
             Line 217:  <li>6:45  Product/Technique/Special
Feature<br />
 
        Changed to:
 
             Line 217:  <li>6:45  Product/Technique/Special
Feature</li> <br />
 
I think you would be eligible for a 'spiffy' w3c XHTML
validated logo.
 
(assuming you want one.)
 
 

T. Gales & Associates 
Helping People Connect with Technology 
http://www.tgaconnect.com 

 

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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Sun Sep 21 13:12:25 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff Siegel)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 13:12:25 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars
In-Reply-To: <20030921153416.GA16257@panix.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c38063$878342f0$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Dan,

You may have missed my little "disclaimer" in which I noted "...it
doesn't directly address your question concerning the header call." As
for requiring a full URI...it seems that's not required. The PHP manual
does state that "...relative URIs will be changed to contain the session
id automatically."

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Analysis & Solutions
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 10:34 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars


Howdy:

On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 09:45:29AM -0400, Jeff Siegel wrote:
> Dan,
> 
> If I'm reading this correctly, PHP does automatically handle the
passing
> of the session ID (see snippet below). However, it doesn't directly
> address your question concerning the header call.

First, I doubt the transparent session ID / url rewriting works on
header(Location) calls.  Second, even if PHP did tack on a SID to the
location header, the location specified is supposed to be a full URI,
thus 
would land in the rule that only relative links are rewritten.  Thus,
you 
need to manually tack the session id into the header(Location) URI.

... snippity snip, because, that's why ...

--Dan

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From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Sun Sep 21 13:25:35 2003
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 13:25:35 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP
References: <096301c38060$eb17b100$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <00cb01c38065$5e9f8270$6501a8c0@Notebook>

You are probably using an older version of mysql which does not support subqueries.  You need to either move up to the latest version of mysql which I beleive now supports subqueries, or rewrite out the subquery.

Jim
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Phil Powell 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 12:53 PM
  Subject: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP


  Ok guys, here we go again!

  SELECT s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_navn 
  FROM nnet_produkt_storrelse s, nnet_produkt_varegruppe v, nnet_storrelse_varegruppe_assoc sv 
  WHERE s.nnet_produkt_storrelse.id = sv.nnet_produkt_storrelse id 
   AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id 
   AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id IN (
     SELECT nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id 
     FROM nnet_produkt_varegruppe
     WHERE nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code =  'FLU17' 
   )
   AND s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id > 1

  This produces the following error:

  You have an error in your SQL syntax near 'id AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id AND sv.nnet_' at line 1

  I don't see anything wrong with this query, it's standard inner SELECT stuff!  I need help... again!

  Phil


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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Sun Sep 21 13:46:37 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff Siegel)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 13:46:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP
In-Reply-To: <096301c38060$eb17b100$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <002301c38068$4e606480$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

You need at least ver. 4.1 of mySql. You may also be able to rewrite it.
See: http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/ANSI_diff_Subqueries.html
 
Jeff Siegel

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Phil Powell
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 11:54 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP


Ok guys, here we go again!
 
SELECT s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_navn 
FROM nnet_produkt_storrelse s, nnet_produkt_varegruppe v,
nnet_storrelse_varegruppe_assoc sv 
WHERE s.nnet_produkt_storrelse.id = sv.nnet_produkt_storrelse id 
 AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id 
 AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id IN (
   SELECT nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id 
   FROM nnet_produkt_varegruppe
   WHERE nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code =  'FLU17' 
 )
 AND s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id > 1
 
This produces the following error:
 
You have an error in your SQL syntax near 'id AND
sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id AND
sv.nnet_' at line 1
 
I don't see anything wrong with this query, it's standard inner SELECT
stuff!  I need help... again!
 
Phil

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From soazine at erols.com  Sun Sep 21 14:17:13 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:17:13 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP
References: <002301c38068$4e606480$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <0a2b01c3806c$95760970$67a76244@philofsoa>

MessageI did, it seems that mySQL is becoming more and more of a waste of database!

Can't do subqueries, can't do foreign key constraints, even the datetime field column datatype doesn't allow for the now() function as an input parameter value in INSERT?.. so tell me what GOOD is mySQL anyway????

I rewrote the entire database table schema relational structure to include another association table and used that, flatting out the query.  However, it's really BAD coding because I have this query generating for every single $row['nnet_produkt_id'] from the outer query results.  BAD BAD BAD.. that means a while loop INSIDE another while loop!

Can you say performance murder!

Phil


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeff Siegel 
  To: 'NYPHP Talk' 
  Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 1:46 PM
  Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP


  You need at least ver. 4.1 of mySql. You may also be able to rewrite it.
  See: http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/ANSI_diff_Subqueries.html

  Jeff Siegel
    -----Original Message-----
    From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Phil Powell
    Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 11:54 AM
    To: NYPHP Talk
    Subject: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP


    Ok guys, here we go again!

    SELECT s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_navn 
    FROM nnet_produkt_storrelse s, nnet_produkt_varegruppe v, nnet_storrelse_varegruppe_assoc sv 
    WHERE s.nnet_produkt_storrelse.id = sv.nnet_produkt_storrelse id 
     AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id 
     AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id IN (
       SELECT nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id 
       FROM nnet_produkt_varegruppe
       WHERE nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code =  'FLU17' 
     )
     AND s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id > 1

    This produces the following error:

    You have an error in your SQL syntax near 'id AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id AND sv.nnet_' at line 1

    I don't see anything wrong with this query, it's standard inner SELECT stuff!  I need help... again!

    Phil


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From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Sun Sep 21 14:51:45 2003
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:51:45 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP
References: <002301c38068$4e606480$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
	<0a2b01c3806c$95760970$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <002d01c38071$679edc70$6501a8c0@Notebook>

MessageI wouldn't categorize mySQL a waste of database.

It depends on your needs.  Do you need a fast, small, cheap database which is easy to get into and use, or a advanced, expensive, database that takes months of studying to begin to utilize to it's best abilities?

Oracle, Sybase, MSSQL etc. have been available for quite some time, have many advanced features, but comes at quite a cost in money, maint, learning curve, and resources.  If you app needs high-end database functionality, then you have to be willing to part with some money, time, and resources.

mySQL on the other hand has not been around as long as the commercial products, and has at it's foundation a small footprint with the majority of the learning curve in learning SQL and has a very low price - free.  So far, mySQL has worked extremly well in many of my apps.  Sometimes I have to rethink my design because I am thinking too much in the "large db" mindset, but that's me, not mySQL.

It seems to me that you could really benefit from sitting down with the mySQL manual for a short spell, especially the part about mySQL Ansi 92 support.  It might be beneficial to also get aquanted with Oracle's proprietary aspects so you understand what features need a different solution because your assuming an Oracle feature is Ansi 92.

This would be true no matter what DB product you pick up.  I got my start in SQL with MSSQL.  When I tried to get into Oracle I was ready to call Oracle a piece of garbage because I couldn't do anything with it.  The joins were different, the allocations different, the stored procedure language different, the permissions systems different.  But after weeks of working with the product, I began to learn the Oracle way and realized my judgement of Oracle was not based on the merits/demerits of Oracle, but on my lack of knowledge of the product and what it's target audience is.

Jim
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Phil Powell 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 2:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP


  I did, it seems that mySQL is becoming more and more of a waste of database!

  Can't do subqueries, can't do foreign key constraints, even the datetime field column datatype doesn't allow for the now() function as an input parameter value in INSERT?.. so tell me what GOOD is mySQL anyway????

  I rewrote the entire database table schema relational structure to include another association table and used that, flatting out the query.  However, it's really BAD coding because I have this query generating for every single $row['nnet_produkt_id'] from the outer query results.  BAD BAD BAD.. that means a while loop INSIDE another while loop!

  Can you say performance murder!

  Phil


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Jeff Siegel 
    To: 'NYPHP Talk' 
    Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 1:46 PM
    Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP


    You need at least ver. 4.1 of mySql. You may also be able to rewrite it.
    See: http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/ANSI_diff_Subqueries.html

    Jeff Siegel
      -----Original Message-----
      From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Phil Powell
      Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 11:54 AM
      To: NYPHP Talk
      Subject: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP


      Ok guys, here we go again!

      SELECT s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_navn 
      FROM nnet_produkt_storrelse s, nnet_produkt_varegruppe v, nnet_storrelse_varegruppe_assoc sv 
      WHERE s.nnet_produkt_storrelse.id = sv.nnet_produkt_storrelse id 
       AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id 
       AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id IN (
         SELECT nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id 
         FROM nnet_produkt_varegruppe
         WHERE nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code =  'FLU17' 
       )
       AND s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id > 1

      This produces the following error:

      You have an error in your SQL syntax near 'id AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id AND sv.nnet_' at line 1

      I don't see anything wrong with this query, it's standard inner SELECT stuff!  I need help... again!

      Phil


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From soazine at erols.com  Sun Sep 21 14:56:03 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:56:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP
References: <002301c38068$4e606480$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL><0a2b01c3806c$95760970$67a76244@philofsoa>
	<002d01c38071$679edc70$6501a8c0@Notebook>
Message-ID: <0a9e01c38072$025cd050$67a76244@philofsoa>

MessageJim, if I had that kind of learning ability I would do so, but unfortunately I can only take things in small bite-sized pieces, therefore, a manual would do me no good as a whole.  Usually when it comes to manuals I can only pick at what I understand and/or need at the moment and apply.  In fact, my entire ability is based on application, not on foreknowledge or logical cognition.  In other words, I know that to make a cake you add these ingredients until it works, not that you already know to do this/that/other based on what you read, because often times what I read makes no sense to me anyway.

Sorry, that's how I've always viewed the world since birth and school.  Somehow I've compensated for this severe ability lacking and done what I needed to get done.  In the case of creating relational data models of complexities ranging from lookup tables to association tables (as is the case of this freelance project I'm working on), mySQL doesn't cut it.  Oracle, SQL Server and even Sybase (that I don't know) would cut it quite well.  That's how I view it.

Phil
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jim Hendricks 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 2:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP


  I wouldn't categorize mySQL a waste of database.

  It depends on your needs.  Do you need a fast, small, cheap database which is easy to get into and use, or a advanced, expensive, database that takes months of studying to begin to utilize to it's best abilities?

  Oracle, Sybase, MSSQL etc. have been available for quite some time, have many advanced features, but comes at quite a cost in money, maint, learning curve, and resources.  If you app needs high-end database functionality, then you have to be willing to part with some money, time, and resources.

  mySQL on the other hand has not been around as long as the commercial products, and has at it's foundation a small footprint with the majority of the learning curve in learning SQL and has a very low price - free.  So far, mySQL has worked extremly well in many of my apps.  Sometimes I have to rethink my design because I am thinking too much in the "large db" mindset, but that's me, not mySQL.

  It seems to me that you could really benefit from sitting down with the mySQL manual for a short spell, especially the part about mySQL Ansi 92 support.  It might be beneficial to also get aquanted with Oracle's proprietary aspects so you understand what features need a different solution because your assuming an Oracle feature is Ansi 92.

  This would be true no matter what DB product you pick up.  I got my start in SQL with MSSQL.  When I tried to get into Oracle I was ready to call Oracle a piece of garbage because I couldn't do anything with it.  The joins were different, the allocations different, the stored procedure language different, the permissions systems different.  But after weeks of working with the product, I began to learn the Oracle way and realized my judgement of Oracle was not based on the merits/demerits of Oracle, but on my lack of knowledge of the product and what it's target audience is.

  Jim
  ______________________________________________________________
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  Phone:  (201) 599-9380     Email: jim at bizcomputinginc.com
  Web: www.bizcomputinginc.com 
  Snail:  Jim Hendricks,  Biz Computing, Inc.,  255 McKinley Ave, New Milford, NJ 07646
  ______________________________________________________________

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Phil Powell 
    To: NYPHP Talk 
    Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 2:17 PM
    Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP


    I did, it seems that mySQL is becoming more and more of a waste of database!

    Can't do subqueries, can't do foreign key constraints, even the datetime field column datatype doesn't allow for the now() function as an input parameter value in INSERT?.. so tell me what GOOD is mySQL anyway????

    I rewrote the entire database table schema relational structure to include another association table and used that, flatting out the query.  However, it's really BAD coding because I have this query generating for every single $row['nnet_produkt_id'] from the outer query results.  BAD BAD BAD.. that means a while loop INSIDE another while loop!

    Can you say performance murder!

    Phil


      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Jeff Siegel 
      To: 'NYPHP Talk' 
      Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 1:46 PM
      Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP


      You need at least ver. 4.1 of mySql. You may also be able to rewrite it.
      See: http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/ANSI_diff_Subqueries.html

      Jeff Siegel
        -----Original Message-----
        From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Phil Powell
        Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 11:54 AM
        To: NYPHP Talk
        Subject: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP


        Ok guys, here we go again!

        SELECT s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_navn 
        FROM nnet_produkt_storrelse s, nnet_produkt_varegruppe v, nnet_storrelse_varegruppe_assoc sv 
        WHERE s.nnet_produkt_storrelse.id = sv.nnet_produkt_storrelse id 
         AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id 
         AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id IN (
           SELECT nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id 
           FROM nnet_produkt_varegruppe
           WHERE nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code =  'FLU17' 
         )
         AND s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id > 1

        This produces the following error:

        You have an error in your SQL syntax near 'id AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id AND sv.nnet_' at line 1

        I don't see anything wrong with this query, it's standard inner SELECT stuff!  I need help... again!

        Phil


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From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Sun Sep 21 14:58:08 2003
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:58:08 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP
References: <002301c38068$4e606480$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
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MessageWhy can't your query be restated as:

SELECT s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_navn 
FROM nnet_produkt_storrelse s
     JOIN nnet_storrelse_varegruppe_assoc sv ON s.nnet_produkt_storrelse.id = sv.nnet_produkt_storrelse id 
     JOIN nnet_produkt_varegruppe v ON sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id 
WHERE 
      v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code =  'FLU17' 
      AND s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id > 1
______________________________________________________________
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Phone:  (201) 599-9380     Email: jim at bizcomputinginc.com
Web: www.bizcomputinginc.com 
Snail:  Jim Hendricks,  Biz Computing, Inc.,  255 McKinley Ave, New Milford, NJ 07646
______________________________________________________________

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Phil Powell 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 2:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP


  I did, it seems that mySQL is becoming more and more of a waste of database!

  Can't do subqueries, can't do foreign key constraints, even the datetime field column datatype doesn't allow for the now() function as an input parameter value in INSERT?.. so tell me what GOOD is mySQL anyway????

  I rewrote the entire database table schema relational structure to include another association table and used that, flatting out the query.  However, it's really BAD coding because I have this query generating for every single $row['nnet_produkt_id'] from the outer query results.  BAD BAD BAD.. that means a while loop INSIDE another while loop!

  Can you say performance murder!

  Phil


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Jeff Siegel 
    To: 'NYPHP Talk' 
    Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 1:46 PM
    Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP


    You need at least ver. 4.1 of mySql. You may also be able to rewrite it.
    See: http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/ANSI_diff_Subqueries.html

    Jeff Siegel
      -----Original Message-----
      From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Phil Powell
      Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 11:54 AM
      To: NYPHP Talk
      Subject: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP


      Ok guys, here we go again!

      SELECT s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_navn 
      FROM nnet_produkt_storrelse s, nnet_produkt_varegruppe v, nnet_storrelse_varegruppe_assoc sv 
      WHERE s.nnet_produkt_storrelse.id = sv.nnet_produkt_storrelse id 
       AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id 
       AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id IN (
         SELECT nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id 
         FROM nnet_produkt_varegruppe
         WHERE nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code =  'FLU17' 
       )
       AND s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id > 1

      This produces the following error:

      You have an error in your SQL syntax near 'id AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id AND sv.nnet_' at line 1

      I don't see anything wrong with this query, it's standard inner SELECT stuff!  I need help... again!

      Phil


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From soazine at erols.com  Sun Sep 21 15:04:46 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 15:04:46 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP
References: <002301c38068$4e606480$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL><0a2b01c3806c$95760970$67a76244@philofsoa>
	<004501c38072$4bf21810$6501a8c0@Notebook>
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MessageANSI SQL is not what I'm used to, but anyway I bagged the whole initial approach, wrote a new association table (nnet_produkt_storrelse_assoc) and flattened out the query to be

SELECT s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_navn
FROM nnet_produkt p, nnet_produkt_storrelse_assoc sv, nnet_produkt_storrelse s
WHERE p.nnet_produkt_id = sv.nnet_produkt_id
AND p.nnet_produkt_id = ' . $row['nnet_produkt_id'] . 
AND sv.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id = s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id

And that worked perfectly!

Phil

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jim Hendricks 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 2:58 PM
  Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP


  Why can't your query be restated as:

  SELECT s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_navn 
  FROM nnet_produkt_storrelse s
       JOIN nnet_storrelse_varegruppe_assoc sv ON s.nnet_produkt_storrelse.id = sv.nnet_produkt_storrelse id 
       JOIN nnet_produkt_varegruppe v ON sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id 
  WHERE 
        v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code =  'FLU17' 
        AND s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id > 1
  ______________________________________________________________
  Jim Hendricks, President, Biz Computing, Inc
  Phone:  (201) 599-9380     Email: jim at bizcomputinginc.com
  Web: www.bizcomputinginc.com 
  Snail:  Jim Hendricks,  Biz Computing, Inc.,  255 McKinley Ave, New Milford, NJ 07646
  ______________________________________________________________

  ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Phil Powell 
    To: NYPHP Talk 
    Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 2:17 PM
    Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP


    I did, it seems that mySQL is becoming more and more of a waste of database!

    Can't do subqueries, can't do foreign key constraints, even the datetime field column datatype doesn't allow for the now() function as an input parameter value in INSERT?.. so tell me what GOOD is mySQL anyway????

    I rewrote the entire database table schema relational structure to include another association table and used that, flatting out the query.  However, it's really BAD coding because I have this query generating for every single $row['nnet_produkt_id'] from the outer query results.  BAD BAD BAD.. that means a while loop INSIDE another while loop!

    Can you say performance murder!

    Phil


      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Jeff Siegel 
      To: 'NYPHP Talk' 
      Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 1:46 PM
      Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP


      You need at least ver. 4.1 of mySql. You may also be able to rewrite it.
      See: http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/ANSI_diff_Subqueries.html

      Jeff Siegel
        -----Original Message-----
        From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Phil Powell
        Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 11:54 AM
        To: NYPHP Talk
        Subject: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP


        Ok guys, here we go again!

        SELECT s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_navn 
        FROM nnet_produkt_storrelse s, nnet_produkt_varegruppe v, nnet_storrelse_varegruppe_assoc sv 
        WHERE s.nnet_produkt_storrelse.id = sv.nnet_produkt_storrelse id 
         AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id 
         AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id IN (
           SELECT nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id 
           FROM nnet_produkt_varegruppe
           WHERE nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code =  'FLU17' 
         )
         AND s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id > 1

        This produces the following error:

        You have an error in your SQL syntax near 'id AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id AND sv.nnet_' at line 1

        I don't see anything wrong with this query, it's standard inner SELECT stuff!  I need help... again!

        Phil


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From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Sun Sep 21 15:11:17 2003
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 15:11:17 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP
References: <002301c38068$4e606480$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL><0a2b01c3806c$95760970$67a76244@philofsoa><002d01c38071$679edc70$6501a8c0@Notebook>
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MessageSorry to hear you have such a struggle learning from a manual, but I wouldn't disparage a product because it doesn't lend easily to learning based on knowledge of another product.

And when it comes to association tables, I have found no problem using mySQL.  It's all in knowing that in SQL there is always more than 1 way to skin a cat ( no anti-cat sentiment meant ).

With mySQL, they have been working to add in more of the advanced features, and in fact, the foreign keys have been available for a while, the subqueries are now there, and joins have always been Ansi standard.

I can understand you learning in bits and pieces through application.  I think many people learn best this way.  A big problem with learning this way though is that you need to avoid jumping in the fire without a fire suit!  When I decide I want to learn another product so I can add it to my portfolio, I choose an application of my choosing, possibly something I have done already in another environment.  Then I try to replicate it.  I hit alot of walls, but thats when it's time to experiement, hit manuals, ask questions, etc.  Little by little the knowledge comes.  If I try this means of learning while on a "real" project, I'm not going to learn as much because I am constantly under pressure to produce.

Jim
______________________________________________________________
Jim Hendricks, President, Biz Computing, Inc
Phone:  (201) 599-9380     Email: jim at bizcomputinginc.com
Web: www.bizcomputinginc.com 
Snail:  Jim Hendricks,  Biz Computing, Inc.,  255 McKinley Ave, New Milford, NJ 07646
______________________________________________________________

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Phil Powell 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 2:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP


  Jim, if I had that kind of learning ability I would do so, but unfortunately I can only take things in small bite-sized pieces, therefore, a manual would do me no good as a whole.  Usually when it comes to manuals I can only pick at what I understand and/or need at the moment and apply.  In fact, my entire ability is based on application, not on foreknowledge or logical cognition.  In other words, I know that to make a cake you add these ingredients until it works, not that you already know to do this/that/other based on what you read, because often times what I read makes no sense to me anyway.

  Sorry, that's how I've always viewed the world since birth and school.  Somehow I've compensated for this severe ability lacking and done what I needed to get done.  In the case of creating relational data models of complexities ranging from lookup tables to association tables (as is the case of this freelance project I'm working on), mySQL doesn't cut it.  Oracle, SQL Server and even Sybase (that I don't know) would cut it quite well.  That's how I view it.

  Phil
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Jim Hendricks 
    To: NYPHP Talk 
    Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 2:51 PM
    Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP


    I wouldn't categorize mySQL a waste of database.

    It depends on your needs.  Do you need a fast, small, cheap database which is easy to get into and use, or a advanced, expensive, database that takes months of studying to begin to utilize to it's best abilities?

    Oracle, Sybase, MSSQL etc. have been available for quite some time, have many advanced features, but comes at quite a cost in money, maint, learning curve, and resources.  If you app needs high-end database functionality, then you have to be willing to part with some money, time, and resources.

    mySQL on the other hand has not been around as long as the commercial products, and has at it's foundation a small footprint with the majority of the learning curve in learning SQL and has a very low price - free.  So far, mySQL has worked extremly well in many of my apps.  Sometimes I have to rethink my design because I am thinking too much in the "large db" mindset, but that's me, not mySQL.

    It seems to me that you could really benefit from sitting down with the mySQL manual for a short spell, especially the part about mySQL Ansi 92 support.  It might be beneficial to also get aquanted with Oracle's proprietary aspects so you understand what features need a different solution because your assuming an Oracle feature is Ansi 92.

    This would be true no matter what DB product you pick up.  I got my start in SQL with MSSQL.  When I tried to get into Oracle I was ready to call Oracle a piece of garbage because I couldn't do anything with it.  The joins were different, the allocations different, the stored procedure language different, the permissions systems different.  But after weeks of working with the product, I began to learn the Oracle way and realized my judgement of Oracle was not based on the merits/demerits of Oracle, but on my lack of knowledge of the product and what it's target audience is.

    Jim
    ______________________________________________________________
    Jim Hendricks, President, Biz Computing, Inc
    Phone:  (201) 599-9380     Email: jim at bizcomputinginc.com
    Web: www.bizcomputinginc.com 
    Snail:  Jim Hendricks,  Biz Computing, Inc.,  255 McKinley Ave, New Milford, NJ 07646
    ______________________________________________________________

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Phil Powell 
      To: NYPHP Talk 
      Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 2:17 PM
      Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP


      I did, it seems that mySQL is becoming more and more of a waste of database!

      Can't do subqueries, can't do foreign key constraints, even the datetime field column datatype doesn't allow for the now() function as an input parameter value in INSERT?.. so tell me what GOOD is mySQL anyway????

      I rewrote the entire database table schema relational structure to include another association table and used that, flatting out the query.  However, it's really BAD coding because I have this query generating for every single $row['nnet_produkt_id'] from the outer query results.  BAD BAD BAD.. that means a while loop INSIDE another while loop!

      Can you say performance murder!

      Phil


        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Jeff Siegel 
        To: 'NYPHP Talk' 
        Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 1:46 PM
        Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP


        You need at least ver. 4.1 of mySql. You may also be able to rewrite it.
        See: http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/ANSI_diff_Subqueries.html

        Jeff Siegel
          -----Original Message-----
          From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Phil Powell
          Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 11:54 AM
          To: NYPHP Talk
          Subject: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP


          Ok guys, here we go again!

          SELECT s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_navn 
          FROM nnet_produkt_storrelse s, nnet_produkt_varegruppe v, nnet_storrelse_varegruppe_assoc sv 
          WHERE s.nnet_produkt_storrelse.id = sv.nnet_produkt_storrelse id 
           AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id 
           AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id IN (
             SELECT nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id 
             FROM nnet_produkt_varegruppe
             WHERE nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code =  'FLU17' 
           )
           AND s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id > 1

          This produces the following error:

          You have an error in your SQL syntax near 'id AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id AND sv.nnet_' at line 1

          I don't see anything wrong with this query, it's standard inner SELECT stuff!  I need help... again!

          Phil


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From jlacey at ix.netcom.com  Sun Sep 21 15:15:56 2003
From: jlacey at ix.netcom.com (John Lacey)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 13:15:56 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP
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Phil,

When you get a chance, have a look at PostgreSQL -- I'm sure someone has 
already mentioned it though.

I can relate to your learning/doing style and, in fact, I'm glad to get 
this kind of input, since I teach PHP/MySQL, etc. (beginner level).  It 
always helps to be reminded that people have different styles of 
'operating'.

John

Phil Powell wrote:

> Jim, if I had that kind of learning ability I would do so, but 
> unfortunately I can only take things in small bite-sized pieces, 
> therefore, a manual would do me no good as a whole.  Usually when it 
> comes to manuals I can only pick at what I understand and/or need at 
> the moment and apply.  In fact, my entire ability is based on 
> application, not on foreknowledge or logical cognition.  In other 
> words, I know that to make a cake you add these ingredients until it 
> works, not that you already know to do this/that/other based on what 
> you read, because often times what I read makes no sense to me anyway.
>  
> Sorry, that's how I've always viewed the world since birth and 
> school.  Somehow I've compensated for this severe ability lacking and 
> done what I needed to get done.  In the case of creating relational 
> data models of complexities ranging from lookup tables to association 
> tables (as is the case of this freelance project I'm working on), 
> mySQL doesn't cut it.  Oracle, SQL Server and even Sybase (that I 
> don't know) would cut it quite well.  That's how I view it.
>  
> Phil
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Jim Hendricks <mailto:jim at bizcomputinginc.com>
>     *To:* NYPHP Talk <mailto:talk at lists.nyphp.org>
>     *Sent:* Sunday, September 21, 2003 2:51 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using
>     mySQL - HELP
>
>     I wouldn't categorize mySQL a waste of database.
>      
>     It depends on your needs.  Do you need a fast, small, cheap
>     database which is easy to get into and use, or a advanced,
>     expensive, database that takes months of studying to begin to
>     utilize to it's best abilities?
>      
>     Oracle, Sybase, MSSQL etc. have been available for quite some
>     time, have many advanced features, but comes at quite a cost in
>     money, maint, learning curve, and resources.  If you app needs
>     high-end database functionality, then you have to be willing to
>     part with some money, time, and resources.
>      
>     mySQL on the other hand has not been around as long as the
>     commercial products, and has at it's foundation a small footprint
>     with the majority of the learning curve in learning SQL and has a
>     very low price - free.  So far, mySQL has worked extremly well in
>     many of my apps.  Sometimes I have to rethink my design because I
>     am thinking too much in the "large db" mindset, but that's me, not
>     mySQL.
>      
>     It seems to me that you could really benefit from sitting down
>     with the mySQL manual for a short spell, especially the part about
>     mySQL Ansi 92 support.  It might be beneficial to also get
>     aquanted with Oracle's proprietary aspects so you understand what
>     features need a different solution because your assuming an Oracle
>     feature is Ansi 92.
>      
>     This would be true no matter what DB product you pick up.  I got
>     my start in SQL with MSSQL.  When I tried to get into Oracle I was
>     ready to call Oracle a piece of garbage because I couldn't do
>     anything with it.  The joins were different, the allocations
>     different, the stored procedure language different, the
>     permissions systems different.  But after weeks of working with
>     the product, I began to learn the Oracle way and realized my
>     judgement of Oracle was not based on the merits/demerits of
>     Oracle, but on my lack of knowledge of the product and what it's
>     target audience is.
>      
>     Jim
>     ______________________________________________________________
>     Jim Hendricks, President, Biz Computing, Inc
>     Phone:  (201) 599-9380     Email: jim at bizcomputinginc.com
>     <mailto:jim at bizcomputinginc.com>
>     Web: www.bizcomputinginc.com <http://www.bizcomputinginc.com>
>     Snail:  Jim Hendricks,  Biz Computing, Inc.,  255 McKinley Ave,
>     New Milford, NJ 07646
>     ______________________________________________________________
>
>         ----- Original Message -----
>         *From:* Phil Powell <mailto:soazine at erols.com>
>         *To:* NYPHP Talk <mailto:talk at lists.nyphp.org>
>         *Sent:* Sunday, September 21, 2003 2:17 PM
>         *Subject:* Re: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using
>         mySQL - HELP
>
>         I did, it seems that mySQL is becoming more and more of a
>         waste of database!
>          
>         Can't do subqueries, can't do foreign key constraints, even
>         the datetime field column datatype doesn't allow for the now()
>         function as an input parameter value in INSERT?.. so tell me
>         what GOOD is mySQL anyway????
>          
>         I rewrote the entire database table schema relational
>         structure to include another association table and used that,
>         flatting out the query.  However, it's really BAD coding
>         because I have this query generating for every single
>         $row['nnet_produkt_id'] from the outer query results.  BAD BAD
>         BAD.. that means a while loop INSIDE another while loop!
>          
>         Can you say performance murder!
>          
>         Phil
>          
>          
>
>             ----- Original Message -----
>             *From:* Jeff Siegel <mailto:jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
>             *To:* 'NYPHP Talk' <mailto:talk at lists.nyphp.org>
>             *Sent:* Sunday, September 21, 2003 1:46 PM
>             *Subject:* RE: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT
>             using mySQL - HELP
>
>             You need at least ver. 4.1 of mySql. You may also be able
>             to rewrite it.
>             See: http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/ANSI_diff_Subqueries.html
>              
>             Jeff Siegel
>
>                 -----Original Message-----
>                 *From:* talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
>                 <mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org>
>                 [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] *On Behalf Of
>                 *Phil Powell
>                 *Sent:* Sunday, September 21, 2003 11:54 AM
>                 *To:* NYPHP Talk
>                 *Subject:* [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT
>                 using mySQL - HELP
>
>                 Ok guys, here we go again!
>                  
>                 SELECT s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_navn
>                 FROM nnet_produkt_storrelse s, nnet_produkt_varegruppe
>                 v, nnet_storrelse_varegruppe_assoc sv
>                 WHERE s.nnet_produkt_storrelse.id =
>                 sv.nnet_produkt_storrelse id
>                  AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id =
>                 v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id
>                  AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id IN (
>                    SELECT nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id
>                    FROM nnet_produkt_varegruppe
>                    WHERE nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code =  'FLU17' 
>                  )
>                  AND s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id > 1
>                  
>                 This produces the following error:
>                  
>                 You have an error in your SQL syntax near 'id AND
>                 sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id =
>                 v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id AND sv.nnet_' at line 1
>                  
>                 I don't see anything wrong with this query, it's
>                 standard inner SELECT stuff!  I need help... again!
>                  
>                 Phil
>
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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Sun Sep 21 16:05:35 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 16:05:35 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Repost Post Vars
In-Reply-To: <000f01c38063$878342f0$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
References: <20030921153416.GA16257@panix.com>
	<000f01c38063$878342f0$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <20030921200535.GA9648@panix.com>

Howdy:

On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 01:12:25PM -0400, Jeff Siegel wrote:
> 
> You may have missed my little "disclaimer" in which I noted "...it
> doesn't directly address your question concerning the header call."

Noticed it.  Sounded like you weren't sure.  Made my points to address
what seemed to be misunderstandings that rewriting would happen in header
calls.


> As for requiring a full URI...it seems that's not required.

Depends how you interpret "required."  RFC's say the full URI is required.  
Some browsers are kind enough to work on relative paths.


> The PHP manual
> does state that "...relative URIs will be changed to contain the session
> id automatically."

Yes.  That's talking about hyperlinks in the output, not header calls.  
We're talking about header(Location) calls.

Enjoy,

--Dan

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From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Sun Sep 21 16:10:28 2003
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 16:10:28 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP
In-Reply-To: <0a2b01c3806c$95760970$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <003201c3807c$671ade60$bf8d3818@OBERON1>

Okay let's try a simpler case:

 

You have some products :

 

CREATE TABLE prods (
  prod_id int(4) default NULL,
  name varchar(20) NOT NULL default '',
  desc varchar(20) NOT NULL default ''
) TYPE=MyISAM COMMENT='Products Table';
 
 
INSERT INTO prods (prod_id, name, desc) VALUES (1, 'one',
'first');
INSERT INTO prods (prod_id, name, desc) VALUES (2, 'two',
'second');
INSERT INTO prods (prod_id, name, desc) VALUES (3, 'three',
'third');
INSERT INTO prods (prod_id, name, desc) VALUES (4, 'four',
'fourth');
INSERT INTO prods (prod_id, name, desc) VALUES (5, 'five',
'fifth');
INSERT INTO prods (prod_id, name, desc) VALUES (6, 'six',
'sixth');
 
And the products are sold in districts called groups:
 
CREATE TABLE groups (
  group_id int(4) default NULL,
  name varchar(20) NOT NULL default '',
  desc varchar(20) NOT NULL default ''
) TYPE=MyISAM COMMENT='Products Table';
 
INSERT INTO groups (group_id, name, desc) VALUES (10,
'east', 'eastern district');
INSERT INTO groups (group_id, name, desc) VALUES (20,
'west', 'western district');
 

And you have an associative table which tells which products
are sold in which districts:

 
CREATE TABLE assoc (
  prod_id int(4) NOT NULL default '0',
  group_id int(4) NOT NULL default '0'
) TYPE=MyISAM COMMENT='Associates Prouduct with Groups';
 
INSERT INTO asoc (prod_id, group_id) VALUES (1, 10);
INSERT INTO asoc (prod_id, group_id) VALUES (2, 10);
INSERT INTO asoc (prod_id, group_id) VALUES (3, 10);
INSERT INTO asoc (prod_id, group_id) VALUES (4, 20);
INSERT INTO asoc (prod_id, group_id) VALUES (5, 20);
INSERT INTO asoc (prod_id, group_id) VALUES (6, 20);
 
In English you sell six products one, two and three are sold
in the eastern district and
Four, five and six are sold in the western district.
 
You were trying something like this:
 
SELECT p.prod_id


FROM prods p, assoc a, groups g


where p.prod_id = a.prod_id


and a.group_id = g.group_id


and a.group_id


and g.group_id in
(select group_id from groups where group_id = 10)
 
which roughly states:
 
find the products and districts that exist in a set of
groups that are equal to 10
 
or:
 
find product information from the eastern district 
 
or:
 
SELECT p.prod_id


FROM prods p, assoc a, groups g


where p.prod_id = a.prod_id


and a.group_id = g.group_id


and a.group_id


and g.group_id = 10
 
What do think?

 

T. Gales & Associates 
Helping People Connect with Technology 
http://www.tgaconnect.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Phil
Powell
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 2:17 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using
mySQL - HELP

 

I did, it seems that mySQL is becoming more and more of a
waste of database!

 

Can't do subqueries, can't do foreign key constraints, even
the datetime field column datatype doesn't allow for the
now() function as an input parameter value in INSERT?.. so
tell me what GOOD is mySQL anyway????

 

I rewrote the entire database table schema relational
structure to include another association table and used
that, flatting out the query.  However, it's really BAD
coding because I have this query generating for every single
$row['nnet_produkt_id'] from the outer query results.  BAD
BAD BAD.. that means a while loop INSIDE another while loop!

 

Can you say performance murder!

 

Phil

 

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Jeff Siegel <mailto:jsiegel1 at optonline.net>  

To: 'NYPHP Talk' <mailto:talk at lists.nyphp.org>  

Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 1:46 PM

Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using
mySQL - HELP

 

You need at least ver. 4.1 of mySql. You may also be able to
rewrite it.

See: http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/ANSI_diff_Subqueries.html

 

Jeff Siegel

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Phil
Powell
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 11:54 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using
mySQL - HELP

Ok guys, here we go again!

 

SELECT s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_navn 

FROM nnet_produkt_storrelse s, nnet_produkt_varegruppe v,
nnet_storrelse_varegruppe_assoc sv 

WHERE s.nnet_produkt_storrelse.id =
sv.nnet_produkt_storrelse id 

 AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id =
v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id 

 AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id IN (

   SELECT nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id 

   FROM nnet_produkt_varegruppe

   WHERE nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code =  'FLU17' 

 )

 AND s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id > 1

 

This produces the following error:

 

You have an error in your SQL syntax near 'id AND
sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id
AND sv.nnet_' at line 1

 

I don't see anything wrong with this query, it's standard
inner SELECT stuff!  I need help... again!

 

Phil


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From smanes at magpie.com  Sun Sep 21 16:21:50 2003
From: smanes at magpie.com (Steve Manes)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 16:21:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP
In-Reply-To: <3F6DF8EC.9080501@ix.netcom.com>
References: <002301c38068$4e606480$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL><0a2b01c3806c$95760970$67a76244@philofsoa>	<002d01c38071$679edc70$6501a8c0@Notebook>	<0a9e01c38072$025cd050$67a76244@philofsoa>
	<3F6DF8EC.9080501@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <3F6E085E.8070609@magpie.com>

John Lacey wrote:

> When you get a chance, have a look at PostgreSQL 

Seconded.  I'm very impressed with 7.3, and with its performance, not 
just because it offers core SQL features that probably won't show up in 
MySQL for another couple of years, at least.

---------------------------------------------=o&o>---------
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Brooklyn, NY




From chendry at nyc.rr.com  Sun Sep 21 20:17:14 2003
From: chendry at nyc.rr.com (Christopher Hendry)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 20:17:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fw: Delivery failure to pjmatthews@gotojml.com
In-Reply-To: <009c01c37fd1$9886a840$8119fea9@thinkpad>
Message-ID: <JMEHLOIOFHBEJDCDJNLOCEHFEDAA.chendry@nyc.rr.com>

-> completely flooded all over the place ... wonder if this one has
-> anything to
-> do with verisigns new wildcard dns service ...
->

what is this wildcard dns service of which you speak?  I just rolled over a
site onto a new server and every few hours when I call up the site, I switch
back and forth between the old site and the new site...is this related?




From lists at ny-tech.net  Sun Sep 21 20:22:12 2003
From: lists at ny-tech.net (Nasir Zubair)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 20:22:12 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fw: Delivery failure to pjmatthews@gotojml.com
In-Reply-To: <JMEHLOIOFHBEJDCDJNLOCEHFEDAA.chendry@nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000201c3809f$933e39b0$6401a8c0@main>



http://news.com.com/2100-1032_3-5077530.html

- Nasir


-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Hendry [mailto:chendry at nyc.rr.com] 
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 8:17 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Fw: Delivery failure to pjmatthews at gotojml.com


-> completely flooded all over the place ... wonder if this one has 
-> anything to do with verisigns new wildcard dns service ...
->

what is this wildcard dns service of which you speak?  I just rolled over a
site onto a new server and every few hours when I call up the site, I switch
back and forth between the old site and the new site...is this related?


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From chendry at nyc.rr.com  Sun Sep 21 20:22:19 2003
From: chendry at nyc.rr.com (chendry at nyc.rr.com)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 20:22:19 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Out of the office
Message-ID: <106419013801@mercury.hosting4u.net>

Hello,

I will be unavailable until Tuesday September 22, 

Thank you, 



From csnyder at chxo.com  Sun Sep 21 20:46:30 2003
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 20:46:30 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fw: Delivery failure to pjmatthews@gotojml.com
In-Reply-To: <000201c3809f$933e39b0$6401a8c0@main>
References: <000201c3809f$933e39b0$6401a8c0@main>
Message-ID: <3F6E4666.30007@chxo.com>

Chendry: see also:http://www.netsys.com/library/verisign-hijack-icann.txt

The quick summary is that Verisign introduced wildcard records into the 
top-level .com and .net zones that point all non-existent domains to 
64.94.110.11. With one stroke there are no longer any non-existent .com 
or .net domains, which has fascinating potential for breaking all kinds 
of things.

The issue with returned mail from pjmatthews has nothing to do with 
this-- it is the result of a rude mailer-daemon at dynamic DNS service 
tzo.com that doesn't understand how to handle undeliverable messages 
from mailing lists. (What do I mean by rude? If an email message has an 
Errors-to: header, like this one does, a nice mailer will send error 
messages to that address instead of sending them to the original sender.)

    csnyder

Nasir Zubair wrote:

>http://news.com.com/2100-1032_3-5077530.html
>
>- Nasir
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Christopher Hendry [mailto:chendry at nyc.rr.com] 
>Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 8:17 PM
>To: NYPHP Talk
>Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Fw: Delivery failure to pjmatthews at gotojml.com
>
>
>-> completely flooded all over the place ... wonder if this one has 
>-> anything to do with verisigns new wildcard dns service ...
>->
>
>what is this wildcard dns service of which you speak?  I just rolled over a
>site onto a new server and every few hours when I call up the site, I switch
>back and forth between the old site and the new site...is this related?
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
>talk at lists.nyphp.org http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>  
>



From csnyder at chxo.com  Sun Sep 21 20:49:35 2003
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 20:49:35 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Out of the office
In-Reply-To: <106419013801@mercury.hosting4u.net>
References: <106419013801@mercury.hosting4u.net>
Message-ID: <3F6E471F.8090504@chxo.com>

What bot is generating these fake vacation messages?

Is anyone else just a little bit curious about what will go down on 
Sept. 22? Maybe pjmatthews appear from out of the clouds and accept all 
of his undeliverable mail...

    csnyder

chendry at nyc.rr.com wrote:

>Hello,
>
>I will be unavailable until Tuesday September 22, 
>
>Thank you, 
>
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>  
>



From chendry at nyc.rr.com  Sun Sep 21 21:47:56 2003
From: chendry at nyc.rr.com (Christopher Hendry)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 21:47:56 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Out of the office
In-Reply-To: <3F6E471F.8090504@chxo.com>
Message-ID: <JMEHLOIOFHBEJDCDJNLOMEHHEDAA.chendry@nyc.rr.com>

lol

mercury.hosting4u.net?

Seems to be where this message generates from - maybe a poorly configured
mailserver.

-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
-> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Chris Snyder
-> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 8:50 PM
-> To: NYPHP Talk
-> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Out of the office
->
->
-> What bot is generating these fake vacation messages?
->
-> Is anyone else just a little bit curious about what will go down on
-> Sept. 22? Maybe pjmatthews appear from out of the clouds and accept all
-> of his undeliverable mail...
->
->     csnyder
->
-> chendry at nyc.rr.com wrote:
->
-> >Hello,
-> >
-> >I will be unavailable until Tuesday September 22,
-> >
-> >Thank you,
-> >
-> >_______________________________________________
-> >talk mailing list
-> >talk at lists.nyphp.org
-> >http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
-> >
-> >
->
-> _______________________________________________
-> talk mailing list
-> talk at lists.nyphp.org
-> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Sun Sep 21 23:30:14 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 23:30:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Out of the office
In-Reply-To: <JMEHLOIOFHBEJDCDJNLOMEHHEDAA.chendry@nyc.rr.com>
References: <3F6E471F.8090504@chxo.com>
	<JMEHLOIOFHBEJDCDJNLOMEHHEDAA.chendry@nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20030922033014.GA24271@panix.com>

Hola:

On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 09:47:56PM -0400, Christopher Hendry wrote:
> 
> Seems to be where this message generates from - maybe a poorly configured
> mailserver.

Whatever it is, thank heavens I have procmail around to /dev/null all 
these stupid messages.

So, Hans, how about adjusting the mail server to drop these type 
of messages?

--Dan

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From chendry at nyc.rr.com  Sun Sep 21 23:30:21 2003
From: chendry at nyc.rr.com (chendry at nyc.rr.com)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 23:30:21 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Out of the office
Message-ID: <106420142001@mercury.hosting4u.net>

Hello,

I will be unavailable until Tuesday September 22, 

Thank you, 



From anthony.leung at virgin.net  Mon Sep 22 07:28:19 2003
From: anthony.leung at virgin.net (Anthony)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:28:19 +0100
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mysql query
In-Reply-To: <20030921191627.3DD39A8605@virtu.nyphp.org>
References: <20030921191627.3DD39A8605@virtu.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <hlm577.dyrwc6@www.mmkm.net>

You wrote:

=================================
SELECT s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_navn 
        FROM nnet_produkt_storrelse s, nnet_produkt_varegruppe v,
nnet_storrelse_varegruppe_assoc sv 
        WHERE s.nnet_produkt_storrelse.id = sv.nnet_produkt_storrelse
id<---------!!!!!!!!!
         AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id 
         AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id IN (
           SELECT nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id 
           FROM nnet_produkt_varegruppe
           WHERE nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code =  'FLU17' 
         )
         AND s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id > 1

        This produces the following error:

        You have an error in your SQL syntax near 'id AND
sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id AND sv.nnet_' at
line 1

        I don't see anything wrong with this query, it's standard inner SELECT
stuff!  I need help... again!

        Phil
============================================================
Just got back from holiday, hence late reply. Didn't you just miss out an
underscore at the end of the line:

"WHERE s.nnet_produkt_storrelse.id = sv.nnet_produkt_storrelse id"

I usually look twice when I find myself blaming a language or system :D

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From drydell at worldnet.att.net  Mon Sep 22 10:23:29 2003
From: drydell at worldnet.att.net (David Rydell)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:23:29 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP
In-Reply-To: <096301c38060$eb17b100$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <CFEJLJCMCEBCFAMOFFFAIEENCPAA.drydell@worldnet.att.net>

there have been many responses to this, but nobody seemed to notice that
Phil is missing the underscore in sv.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id

the error message is quite specific about not understanding what 'id' is...
  -----Original Message-----
  From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On
Behalf Of Phil Powell
  Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 12:54 PM
  To: NYPHP Talk
  Subject: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP


  Ok guys, here we go again!

  SELECT s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_navn
  FROM nnet_produkt_storrelse s, nnet_produkt_varegruppe v,
nnet_storrelse_varegruppe_assoc sv
  WHERE s.nnet_produkt_storrelse.id = sv.nnet_produkt_storrelse id
   AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id
   AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id IN (
     SELECT nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id
     FROM nnet_produkt_varegruppe
     WHERE nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code =  'FLU17'
   )
   AND s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id > 1

  This produces the following error:

  You have an error in your SQL syntax near 'id AND
sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id AND sv.nnet_'
at line 1

  I don't see anything wrong with this query, it's standard inner SELECT
stuff!  I need help... again!

  Phil

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From drydell at worldnet.att.net  Mon Sep 22 11:12:06 2003
From: drydell at worldnet.att.net (David Rydell)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:12:06 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP
In-Reply-To: <CFEJLJCMCEBCFAMOFFFAIEENCPAA.drydell@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <CFEJLJCMCEBCFAMOFFFAMEEOCPAA.drydell@worldnet.att.net>

... and s.nnet_produkt_storrelse.id  should probably be
s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id
  -----Original Message-----
  From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On
Behalf Of David Rydell
  Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:23 AM
  To: NYPHP Talk
  Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP


  there have been many responses to this, but nobody seemed to notice that
Phil is missing the underscore in sv.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id

  the error message is quite specific about not understanding what 'id'
is...
    -----Original Message-----
    From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Phil Powell
    Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 12:54 PM
    To: NYPHP Talk
    Subject: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP


    Ok guys, here we go again!

    SELECT s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_navn
    FROM nnet_produkt_storrelse s, nnet_produkt_varegruppe v,
nnet_storrelse_varegruppe_assoc sv
    WHERE s.nnet_produkt_storrelse.id = sv.nnet_produkt_storrelse id
     AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id
     AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id IN (
       SELECT nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id
       FROM nnet_produkt_varegruppe
       WHERE nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code =  'FLU17'
     )
     AND s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id > 1

    This produces the following error:

    You have an error in your SQL syntax near 'id AND
sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id AND sv.nnet_'
at line 1

    I don't see anything wrong with this query, it's standard inner SELECT
stuff!  I need help... again!

    Phil

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From soazine at erols.com  Mon Sep 22 11:32:21 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:32:21 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP
References: <CFEJLJCMCEBCFAMOFFFAMEEOCPAA.drydell@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <136e01c3811e$b7532f70$67a76244@philofsoa>

I corrected that a long time ago, actually!

Phil
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Rydell 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 11:12 AM
  Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP


  ... and s.nnet_produkt_storrelse.id  should probably be s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id 
    -----Original Message-----
    From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of David Rydell
    Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:23 AM
    To: NYPHP Talk
    Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP


    there have been many responses to this, but nobody seemed to notice that Phil is missing the underscore in sv.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id 

    the error message is quite specific about not understanding what 'id' is... 
      -----Original Message-----
      From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Phil Powell
      Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 12:54 PM
      To: NYPHP Talk
      Subject: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP


      Ok guys, here we go again!

      SELECT s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_navn 
      FROM nnet_produkt_storrelse s, nnet_produkt_varegruppe v, nnet_storrelse_varegruppe_assoc sv 
      WHERE s.nnet_produkt_storrelse.id = sv.nnet_produkt_storrelse id 
       AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id 
       AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id IN (
         SELECT nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id 
         FROM nnet_produkt_varegruppe
         WHERE nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code =  'FLU17' 
       )
       AND s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id > 1

      This produces the following error:

      You have an error in your SQL syntax near 'id AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id AND sv.nnet_' at line 1

      I don't see anything wrong with this query, it's standard inner SELECT stuff!  I need help... again!

      Phil


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From jlacey at ix.netcom.com  Mon Sep 22 11:56:55 2003
From: jlacey at ix.netcom.com (John Lacey)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:56:55 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP
In-Reply-To: <3F6E085E.8070609@magpie.com>
References: <002301c38068$4e606480$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL><0a2b01c3806c$95760970$67a76244@philofsoa>	<002d01c38071$679edc70$6501a8c0@Notebook>	<0a9e01c38072$025cd050$67a76244@philofsoa>	<3F6DF8EC.9080501@ix.netcom.com>
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Message-ID: <3F6F1BC7.70605@ix.netcom.com>

Steve,

great job on the house man...


J

Steve Manes wrote:

> John Lacey wrote:
>
>> When you get a chance, have a look at PostgreSQL 
>
>
> Seconded.  I'm very impressed with 7.3, and with its performance, not 
> just because it offers core SQL features that probably won't show up 
> in MySQL for another couple of years, at least.
>
> ---------------------------------------------=o&o>---------
> Steve Manes          http://www.magpie.com
> Brooklyn, NY
>
>
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From dmintz at panix.com  Mon Sep 22 12:03:10 2003
From: dmintz at panix.com (David Mintz)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:03:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Lush Media: bicycle parking ?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0309182120380.2627@panix5.panix.com>
References: <000001c37da9$3a7c5e40$6401a8c0@main>
	<Pine.NEB.4.58.0309181511040.12976@panix5.panix.com>
	<20030918204413.GA25949@panix.com>
	<Pine.NEB.4.58.0309181653570.23783@panix5.panix.com>
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Re tomorrow's meeting: is there a reasonably secure place to stow a
bicycle indoors at Lush Media?

Thanks,


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From csnyder at chxo.com  Mon Sep 22 12:23:42 2003
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:23:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Digital Pulp: bicycle parking (was: Lush Media:
	bicycle parking ?)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0309221200250.7617@panix5.panix.com>
References: <000001c37da9$3a7c5e40$6401a8c0@main>	<Pine.NEB.4.58.0309181511040.12976@panix5.panix.com>	<20030918204413.GA25949@panix.com>	<Pine.NEB.4.58.0309181653570.23783@panix5.panix.com>	<20030918212943.GA1221@panix.com>	<Pine.NEB.4.58.0309182120380.2627@panix5.panix.com>
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Message-ID: <3F6F220E.3090603@chxo.com>

Tomorrow night's meeting is at Digital Pulp on East 23rd St,
but I'm not sure abut the bicycle-parking situation there.

Didn't want you going to the wrong venue... it's happened to me before!

David Mintz wrote:

>Re tomorrow's meeting: is there a reasonably secure place to stow a
>bicycle indoors at Lush Media?
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>---
>David Mintz
>http://davidmintz.org/
>Email: See http://dmintzweb.com/whitelist.php first!
>
>"Y d?le p'abajo"
>
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>talk mailing list
>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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>



From dmintz at panix.com  Mon Sep 22 12:37:40 2003
From: dmintz at panix.com (David Mintz)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:37:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Digital Pulp: bicycle parking (was: Lush Media:
	bicycle parking ?)
In-Reply-To: <3F6F220E.3090603@chxo.com>
References: <000001c37da9$3a7c5e40$6401a8c0@main>
	<Pine.NEB.4.58.0309181511040.12976@panix5.panix.com>
	<20030918204413.GA25949@panix.com>
	<Pine.NEB.4.58.0309181653570.23783@panix5.panix.com>
	<20030918212943.GA1221@panix.com>
	<Pine.NEB.4.58.0309182120380.2627@panix5.panix.com>
	<Pine.NEB.4.58.0309221200250.7617@panix5.panix.com>
	<3F6F220E.3090603@chxo.com>
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Uy, what an embarassing newbie blunder. Yes, make that Digital Pulp...
thanks.

	David

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Chris Snyder wrote:

> Tomorrow night's meeting is at Digital Pulp on East 23rd St,
> but I'm not sure abut the bicycle-parking situation there.
>
> Didn't want you going to the wrong venue... it's happened to me before!
>
> David Mintz wrote:
>
> >Re tomorrow's meeting: is there a reasonably secure place to stow a
> >bicycle indoors at Lush Media?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >
> >---
> >David Mintz
> >http://davidmintz.org/
> >Email: See http://dmintzweb.com/whitelist.php first!
> >
> >"Y d?le p'abajo"
> >
> >	Tito Rojas
> >_______________________________________________
> >talk mailing list
> >talk at lists.nyphp.org
> >http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
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>


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From andrew at digitalpulp.com  Mon Sep 22 12:33:09 2003
From: andrew at digitalpulp.com (Andrew Yochum)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:33:09 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Digital Pulp: bicycle parking (was: Lush Media:
	bicycle parking ?)
In-Reply-To: <3F6F220E.3090603@chxo.com>
References: <000001c37da9$3a7c5e40$6401a8c0@main>
	<Pine.NEB.4.58.0309181511040.12976@panix5.panix.com>
	<20030918204413.GA25949@panix.com>
	<Pine.NEB.4.58.0309181653570.23783@panix5.panix.com>
	<20030918212943.GA1221@panix.com>
	<Pine.NEB.4.58.0309182120380.2627@panix5.panix.com>
	<Pine.NEB.4.58.0309221200250.7617@panix5.panix.com>
	<3F6F220E.3090603@chxo.com>
Message-ID: <20030922163308.GO8912@thighmaster.digitalpulp.com>

On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 12:23:42PM -0400, Chris Snyder wrote:
> Tomorrow night's meeting is at Digital Pulp on East 23rd St,
> but I'm not sure abut the bicycle-parking situation there.

Since its after hours, you can try to bring it up in the elevator.  If the
doorman complains, ask him to show you where to park it in the court yard
behind the building.
 
> Didn't want you going to the wrong venue... it's happened to me before!
> 
> David Mintz wrote:
> 
> >Re tomorrow's meeting: is there a reasonably secure place to stow a
> >bicycle indoors at Lush Media?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >
> >---
> >David Mintz
> >http://davidmintz.org/
> >Email: See http://dmintzweb.com/whitelist.php first!
> >
> >"Y d?le p'abajo"
> >
> >	Tito Rojas
> >_______________________________________________
> >talk mailing list
> >talk at lists.nyphp.org
> >http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> > 
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk

-- 
Andrew Yochum
Digital Pulp, Inc.
212.679.0676x255
andrew at digitalpulp.com


From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Mon Sep 22 12:58:00 2003
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:58:00 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP
In-Reply-To: <0a2b01c3806c$95760970$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <001301c3812a$ae3711c0$bf8d3818@OBERON1>

You say you can't do sub-queries

 

But I think if you changed 

' AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id IN (

   SELECT nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id 

   FROM nnet_produkt_varegruppe

   WHERE nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code =  'FLU17' 

 )'

To

 AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id = (

   SELECT nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id 

   FROM nnet_produkt_varegruppe

   WHERE nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code =  'FLU17' 

 )

 

You might have better luck.

 

You say you can't do foreign key constraints -

 

>From the manual:

"Starting from version 3.23.43b InnoDB features foreign key
constraints. InnoDB is the first MySQL table type which
allows you to define foreign key constraints to guard the
integrity of your data. 

The syntax of a foreign key constraint definition in InnoDB:


[CONSTRAINT symbol] FOREIGN KEY (index_col_name, ...)
                  REFERENCES table_name (index_col_name,
...)
                  [ON DELETE {CASCADE | SET NULL | NO ACTION
                              | RESTRICT}]
                  [ON UPDATE {CASCADE | SET NULL | NO ACTION
                              | RESTRICT}]

Both tables have to be InnoDB type, in the table there must
be an INDEX where the foreign key columns are listed as the
FIRST columns in the same order, and in the referenced table
there must be an INDEX where the referenced columns are
listed as the FIRST columns in the same order. InnoDB does
not auto-create indexes on foreign keys or referenced keys:
you have to create them explicitly. The indexes are needed
for foreign key checks to be fast and not require a table
scan. "

 

You say the now() function is not allowed to be input into
datetime columns

While that is true you might want to read up on timestamp
column types

 

Timestamps can (under most circumstances) be set to NULL or
now().

 

In short, I think you are mistaken. 

 

You said you added an associative table to "flatten out" the
query and that it was BAD.

 

Well when you make a sub-query, the database makes the
equivalent of a temp table underneath the covers, from which
it can do the selection. This means you should only use
sub-queries on ad hoc requests. At other times (for routine
retrievals) it is better to set up your own table from which
to do the selections, because you can create the type of
table it is and specifically put indexes where they are
needed.

 

In short, I don't agree with you. 

 

T. Gales & Associates 
Helping People Connect with Technology 
http://www.tgaconnect.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Phil
Powell
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 2:17 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using
mySQL - HELP

 

I did, it seems that mySQL is becoming more and more of a
waste of database!

 

Can't do subqueries, can't do foreign key constraints, even
the datetime field column datatype doesn't allow for the
now() function as an input parameter value in INSERT?.. so
tell me what GOOD is mySQL anyway????

 

I rewrote the entire database table schema relational
structure to include another association table and used
that, flatting out the query.  However, it's really BAD
coding because I have this query generating for every single
$row['nnet_produkt_id'] from the outer query results.  BAD
BAD BAD.. that means a while loop INSIDE another while loop!

 

Can you say performance murder!

 

Phil

 

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Jeff Siegel <mailto:jsiegel1 at optonline.net>  

To: 'NYPHP Talk' <mailto:talk at lists.nyphp.org>  

Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 1:46 PM

Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using
mySQL - HELP

 

You need at least ver. 4.1 of mySql. You may also be able to
rewrite it.

See: http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/ANSI_diff_Subqueries.html

 

Jeff Siegel

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Phil
Powell
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 11:54 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using
mySQL - HELP

Ok guys, here we go again!

 

SELECT s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_navn 

FROM nnet_produkt_storrelse s, nnet_produkt_varegruppe v,
nnet_storrelse_varegruppe_assoc sv 

WHERE s.nnet_produkt_storrelse.id =
sv.nnet_produkt_storrelse id 

 AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id =
v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id 

 AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id IN (

   SELECT nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id 

   FROM nnet_produkt_varegruppe

   WHERE nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code =  'FLU17' 

 )

 AND s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id > 1

 

This produces the following error:

 

You have an error in your SQL syntax near 'id AND
sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id
AND sv.nnet_' at line 1

 

I don't see anything wrong with this query, it's standard
inner SELECT stuff!  I need help... again!

 

Phil


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From soazine at erols.com  Mon Sep 22 14:01:47 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:01:47 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP
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MessageSee below, Tim, I'm not mistaken, you're not getting the full scope of my issues.

Phil
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tim Gales 
  To: 'NYPHP Talk' 
  Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 12:58 PM
  Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP


  You say you can't do sub-queries



  But I think if you changed 

  ' AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id IN (

     SELECT nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id 

     FROM nnet_produkt_varegruppe

     WHERE nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code =  'FLU17' 

   )'

  To

   AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id = (

     SELECT nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id 

     FROM nnet_produkt_varegruppe

     WHERE nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code =  'FLU17' 

   )



  You might have better luck.



  I'll remember that but right now they're talking about a complete RDM redesign so this one is a moot exercise until further notice.



  You say you can't do foreign key constraints -



  From the manual:

  "Starting from version 3.23.43b InnoDB features foreign key constraints. InnoDB is the first MySQL table type which allows you to define foreign key constraints to guard the integrity of your data. 

  The syntax of a foreign key constraint definition in InnoDB: 

[CONSTRAINT symbol] FOREIGN KEY (index_col_name, ...)                  REFERENCES table_name (index_col_name, ...)                  [ON DELETE {CASCADE | SET NULL | NO ACTION                              | RESTRICT}]                  [ON UPDATE {CASCADE | SET NULL | NO ACTION                              | RESTRICT}]Both tables have to be InnoDB type, in the table there must be an INDEX where the foreign key columns are listed as the FIRST columns in the same order, and in the referenced table there must be an INDEX where the referenced columns are listed as the FIRST columns in the same order. InnoDB does not auto-create indexes on foreign keys or referenced keys: you have to create them explicitly. The indexes are needed for foreign key checks to be fast and not require a table scan. "



  That's fine.  You didn't ask me what version mySQL this is.  They don't OFFER InnoDB as table type for the version of mySQL that is running on the remote server.  So I STILL can't do foreign key constraints.



  You say the now() function is not allowed to be input into  datetime columns

  While that is true you might want to read up on timestamp column types



  Timestamps can (under most circumstances) be set to NULL or now().



  That's fine, for timestamps, but not for datetime.  Again, I don't have this problem in Oracle, sorry to be a db snob.



  In short, I think you are mistaken. 



  You said you added an associative table to "flatten out" the query and that it was BAD.



  Well when you make a sub-query, the database makes the equivalent of a temp table underneath the covers, from which it can do the selection. This means you should only use sub-queries on ad hoc requests. At other times (for routine retrievals) it is better to set up your own table from which to do the selections, because you can create the type of table it is and specifically put indexes where they are needed.



  In short, I don't agree with you. 



  That's fine.  You don't have to.  But before you go into slamming my theories realize the fact that I am working with a remote server that has an older version of mySQL than what your solutions can accommodate, therefore, again, mySQL is inadequate in this case.



  Phil

  T. Gales & Associates 
  Helping People Connect with Technology 
  http://www.tgaconnect.com 

  -----Original Message-----
  From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Phil Powell
  Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 2:17 PM
  To: NYPHP Talk
  Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP



  I did, it seems that mySQL is becoming more and more of a waste of database!



  Can't do subqueries, can't do foreign key constraints, even the datetime field column datatype doesn't allow for the now() function as an input parameter value in INSERT?.. so tell me what GOOD is mySQL anyway????



  I rewrote the entire database table schema relational structure to include another association table and used that, flatting out the query.  However, it's really BAD coding because I have this query generating for every single $row['nnet_produkt_id'] from the outer query results.  BAD BAD BAD.. that means a while loop INSIDE another while loop!



  Can you say performance murder!



  Phil





    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Jeff Siegel 

    To: 'NYPHP Talk' 

    Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 1:46 PM

    Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP



    You need at least ver. 4.1 of mySql. You may also be able to rewrite it.

    See: http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/ANSI_diff_Subqueries.html



    Jeff Siegel

      -----Original Message-----
      From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Phil Powell
      Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 11:54 AM
      To: NYPHP Talk
      Subject: [nycphp-talk] Error involving inner SELECT using mySQL - HELP

      Ok guys, here we go again!



      SELECT s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_navn 

      FROM nnet_produkt_storrelse s, nnet_produkt_varegruppe v, nnet_storrelse_varegruppe_assoc sv 

      WHERE s.nnet_produkt_storrelse.id = sv.nnet_produkt_storrelse id 

       AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id 

       AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id IN (

         SELECT nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id 

         FROM nnet_produkt_varegruppe

         WHERE nnet_produkt_varegruppe_code =  'FLU17' 

       )

       AND s.nnet_produkt_storrelse_id > 1



      This produces the following error:



      You have an error in your SQL syntax near 'id AND sv.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id = v.nnet_produkt_varegruppe_id AND sv.nnet_' at line 1



      I don't see anything wrong with this query, it's standard inner SELECT stuff!  I need help... again!



      Phil


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From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Mon Sep 22 14:02:40 2003
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (tgales at tgaconnect.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:02:40 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Out of the office
Message-ID: <106425375901@mercury.hosting4u.net>

Hello,

I will be unavailable until Tuesday September 22, 

Thank you, 



From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Mon Sep 22 12:17:56 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:17:56 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] thehostingcompany.us (ecom)
Message-ID: <016801c38125$15c08f20$8119fea9@thinkpad>

i wanted to ask someone a few ?'s in regards to ecom hosting + remembered a
few nyphp people were involved/managed their own hosting, will that
person/those people be @ the meeting tomorrow night?

- jon

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fingerprint: F438 A47E C45E 8B27 F68C 1F9B 41DB DB8B 9A0C AF47



From nyphp at websapp.com  Mon Sep 22 15:58:26 2003
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:58:26 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] thehostingcompany.us (ecom)
In-Reply-To: <016801c38125$15c08f20$8119fea9@thinkpad>
Message-ID: <OKEHLLMAFAOHECBMOGEPIEBCFCAA.nyphp@websapp.com>

Yes we will !

--Daniel


> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of jon baer
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 12:18 PM
> To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
> Cc: contact at thehostingcompany.us
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] thehostingcompany.us (ecom)
>
>
> i wanted to ask someone a few ?'s in regards to ecom hosting +
> remembered a
> few nyphp people were involved/managed their own hosting, will that
> person/those people be @ the meeting tomorrow night?
>
> - jon
>
> pgp key: http://www.jonbaer.net/jonbaer.asc
> fingerprint: F438 A47E C45E 8B27 F68C 1F9B 41DB DB8B 9A0C AF47
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From mz34 at nyu.edu  Mon Sep 22 16:09:00 2003
From: mz34 at nyu.edu (Matthew Zimmerman)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:09:00 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] installing PHP/MySQL on a Mac
In-Reply-To: <BB892A11.FEAA%stephen@musgrave.org>
Message-ID: <9B1C90CA-ED38-11D7-B4F3-00039344DCA8@nyu.edu>

little late on the response here, but I use Marc's packages too.


On Saturday, September 13, 2003, at 08:09  PM, Stephen Musgrave wrote:

>
> I'll second this.  I have been using Marc's packages for well over a 
> year
> now.. good stuff.. never a problem.
>
> Stephen Musgrave
>
> //  stephen at musgrave.org
> //  http://musgrave.org
> //  718-486-6514
>
>
> On 9/12/03 11:12 PM, "Alexander Chan" <alexander_chan at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I have php running on mac os x ..
>> OS X comes with apache. I downloaded a precompiled
>> version of php at
>> http://www.entropy.ch/software/macosx/php/. you won't
>> have to do anything.
>>
>> Alex
>> --- Peter Lehrer <pl at eskimo.com> wrote:
>>> I would like to know about the process of installing
>>> PHP and MySQL on a
>>> Mac. Would the Mac OS have to be OS X (to take
>>> advantage of Free BSD)?
>>> Would it be similar to installing it on Free BSD (or
>>> Linux)? Does Mac OS X
>>> already come with Apache loaded and configured to
>>> serve pages through
>>> "localhost"?
>>>
>>> Any help would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Yours,
>>> Peter Lehrer
>>>
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From lists at ny-tech.net  Mon Sep 22 16:09:36 2003
From: lists at ny-tech.net (Nasir Zubair)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:09:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Tomorrow's Meeting
In-Reply-To: <OKEHLLMAFAOHECBMOGEPIEBCFCAA.nyphp@websapp.com>
Message-ID: <000201c38145$73b7fcb0$6401a8c0@main>

I'm hoping to attend tomorrow's meeting. Can anyone tell usually how long
these meetings last? And it all starts at 6:30 pm, right?

Nasir Zubair



From shiflett at php.net  Mon Sep 22 16:17:05 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:17:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Tomorrow's Meeting
In-Reply-To: <000201c38145$73b7fcb0$6401a8c0@main>
Message-ID: <20030922201705.65314.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Nasir Zubair <lists at ny-tech.net> wrote:
> I'm hoping to attend tomorrow's meeting. Can anyone tell usually
> how long these meetings last? And it all starts at 6:30 pm, right?

Hi Nasir,

The meeting outline can be found online at:

http://www.nyphp.org/

Yes, it starts at 6:30, with the 45 minute feature presentation beginning at
7:00 (so if you're running late, you can still catch some good material, but
probably not a good seat).

Chris

=====
Become a better Web developer with the HTTP Developer's Handbook
http://httphandbook.org/


From crisscott at netzero.com  Mon Sep 22 16:19:47 2003
From: crisscott at netzero.com (Scott Mattocks)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:19:47 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sessions in Objects
Message-ID: <3F6F5963.5030900@netzero.com>

Hello,
What are the issues related to storing objects in sessions?  For 
instance, say I have a shopping cart full of objects that I store in a 
session.  If I want to make a change to an object what kind of overhead 
is associated with it? 
ex:
$cart = $_SESSION['shopping_cart'];
$cart->items[2]->change_size('medium');
$_SESSION['shopping_cart'] = $cart;
Is there another appraoch that might be better?
Thanks,
Scott Mattocks



From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Mon Sep 22 16:38:29 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:38:29 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php in SecurityFocus Newsletter #215
Message-ID: <20030922203828.GA4399@panix.com>

vbPortal Authentication SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/8613

Multiple Mambo Open Source 4.0.14  Server Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/8647

--Dan

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From lists at ny-tech.net  Mon Sep 22 16:41:50 2003
From: lists at ny-tech.net (Nasir Zubair)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:41:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Tomorrow's Meeting
In-Reply-To: <20030922201705.65314.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000101c38149$f4b4c830$6401a8c0@main>

Thanks Chris. I'll be there early :-)

Also, not sure it is relevant, but when I hit reply, Outlook put in two
address in the "To" box, your own address and list's address. Isn't your
address supposed to be masked or something? 

Nasir Zubair


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Shiflett [mailto:shiflett at php.net] 
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 4:17 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Tomorrow's Meeting


--- Nasir Zubair <lists at ny-tech.net> wrote:
> I'm hoping to attend tomorrow's meeting. Can anyone tell usually how 
> long these meetings last? And it all starts at 6:30 pm, right?

Hi Nasir,

The meeting outline can be found online at:

http://www.nyphp.org/

Yes, it starts at 6:30, with the 45 minute feature presentation beginning at
7:00 (so if you're running late, you can still catch some good material, but
probably not a good seat).

Chris

=====
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From shiflett at php.net  Mon Sep 22 16:42:02 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (shiflett at php.net)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:42:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Out of the office
Message-ID: <106426332101@mercury.hosting4u.net>

Hello,

I will be unavailable until Tuesday September 22, 

Thank you, 



From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Mon Sep 22 13:33:42 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:33:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] determining empty STDIN | php://stdin (cli)
Message-ID: <017801c3812f$ab7a9790$8119fea9@thinkpad>

normally the small scripts i write either getopt for it's content or read
STDIN along the pipe, but i just tried to throw in a usage() function for
null input and could not determine if STDIN was empty or not it, just hangs
(W32).

ie:
$d = fread(STDIN, 1024);

nothing seems to be able to determine if there is content ... any ideas?
have not tried on debian yet.  thought checking (STDIN) would work but
didn't.

- jon

pgp key: http://www.jonbaer.net/jonbaer.asc
fingerprint: F438 A47E C45E 8B27 F68C 1F9B 41DB DB8B 9A0C AF47



From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Mon Sep 22 13:36:38 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:36:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Tomorrow's Meeting
References: <20030922201705.65314.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <019601c38130$14226e80$8119fea9@thinkpad>

any ideas on when/if last month's meeting will be available online soon?

thanks.

- jon



From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Mon Sep 22 17:22:49 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:22:49 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Tomorrow's Meeting
In-Reply-To: <019601c38130$14226e80$8119fea9@thinkpad>
References: <20030922201705.65314.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com>
	<019601c38130$14226e80$8119fea9@thinkpad>
Message-ID: <20030922212249.GA12105@panix.com>

On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 01:36:38PM -0400, jon baer wrote:
> any ideas on when/if last month's meeting will be available online soon?

Already is...
http://nyphp.org/
"Presentation" link under the "Reference" nav section
Click on the name of the presentation

It's in HTML format, by the way.

Enjoy,

--Dan

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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Mon Sep 22 13:56:06 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:56:06 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Tomorrow's Meeting
References: <20030922201705.65314.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com><019601c38130$14226e80$8119fea9@thinkpad>
	<20030922212249.GA12105@panix.com>
Message-ID: <01c401c38132$cc30e450$8119fea9@thinkpad>

thanks dan, was looking for the mp3 files :-)

- jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Analysis & Solutions" <danielc at analysisandsolutions.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Tomorrow's Meeting


> On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 01:36:38PM -0400, jon baer wrote:
> > any ideas on when/if last month's meeting will be available online soon?
>
> Already is...
> http://nyphp.org/
> "Presentation" link under the "Reference" nav section
> Click on the name of the presentation
>
> It's in HTML format, by the way.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> --Dan
>
> --
>      FREE scripts that make web and database programming easier
>            http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/software/
>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
>  4015 7th Ave #4AJ, Brooklyn NY    v: 718-854-0335   f: 718-854-0409
> _______________________________________________
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>



From dmintz at panix.com  Mon Sep 22 17:58:38 2003
From: dmintz at panix.com (David Mintz)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:58:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sessions in Objects
In-Reply-To: <3F6F5963.5030900@netzero.com>
References: <3F6F5963.5030900@netzero.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0309221747560.16398@panix5.panix.com>

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Scott Mattocks wrote:

> Hello,
> What are the issues related to storing objects in sessions?  For
> instance, say I have a shopping cart full of objects that I store in a
> session.  If I want to make a change to an object what kind of overhead
> is associated with it?


I'd like to jump in, make a fool of myself, and then let the more
experienced people correct me (-:

If you want to store object in sessions, go ahead. The relative overhead?
Object instantiation is said to be an expensive operation, and OOP code
slower than its strictly procedural counterpart. (I hear PHP 5 will bring
major improvements to PHP's OOP support so you are thinking forward.) PHP
serializes and de-serializes session-stored objects as needed at request
time, so you get some disk I/O, but the same is true of primitives in
sessions (right, gurus?).

As for your snippet, I think it's fundamentally ok. A technique I have
uses is to assign $_SESSION['cart'] to $cart BY REFERENCE, just for
convenience (save typing) and it seems to work.


> $cart = $_SESSION['shopping_cart'];
> $cart->items[2]->change_size('medium');
> $_SESSION['shopping_cart'] = $cart;
> Is there another appraoch that might be better?

$cart =&  $_SESSION['shopping_cart'];
$cart->items[2]->change_size('medium');
// there, I saved you  a line.



---
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http://davidmintz.org/
Email: See http://dmintzweb.com/whitelist.php first!

"Y d?le p'abajo"

	Tito Rojas


From soazine at erols.com  Mon Sep 22 19:16:23 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:16:23 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] T_ARRAY error but have no idea why
Message-ID: <014801c3815f$8af14610$67a76244@philofsoa>

The following code:

   $kounter = 0; $fsArray = array('farge', 'storrelse');
   for ($i = 0; $i < sizeof($fsArray); $i++) {
    // POPULATE CONTENT FOR BOTH FARGE AND ST?RRELSE DROPDOWNS NOW ASSOCIATED ACCORDING TO PRODUKT ID
     $label = $fsArray[$i];
     ${$label}Array = array();
     $sql = 'SELECT s.nnet_produkt_' . $label . '_navn ' .
            'FROM nnet_produkt p, nnet_produkt_' . $label . '_assoc q, ' .
            '     nnet_produkt_' . $label . ' r ' .
            'WHERE p.nnet_produkt_id = q.nnet_produkt_id ' .
            ' AND p.nnet_produkt_id = ' . $row['nnet_produkt_id'] .
            ' AND q.nnet_produkt_' . $label . '_id = r.nnet_produkt_' . $label . '_id';
     $dropdownQuery = mysql_query($sql) or die('Could not perform dropdown query: ' . mysql_error());
     while ($dropdownRow = mysql_fetch_row($dropdownQuery)) 
      array_push(${$label}Array, $dropdownRow[0]);
   } // END OF FOR LOOP FOR $fsArray

produces the following error:

Parse error: parse error, unexpected T_ARRAY in /home/nordicnet.no/membersites/vis_varegruppen.php on line 133

Line 133 is:

${$label}Array = array();

I'm lost as usual.  Help!

Thanx
Phil
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From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Mon Sep 22 19:42:29 2003
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:42:29 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT when all esle fails
Message-ID: <001301c38163$32a7f7c0$bf8d3818@OBERON1>

Stymied by our responses from Microsoft,

we decided to try another service provider  --

the Psychic Friends Network.

 

Microsoft Technical Support vs. The Psychic Friends Network
:
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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Mon Sep 22 22:54:53 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:54:53 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] determining empty STDIN | php://stdin (cli)
In-Reply-To: <017801c3812f$ab7a9790$8119fea9@thinkpad>
References: <017801c3812f$ab7a9790$8119fea9@thinkpad>
Message-ID: <20030923025453.GA4889@panix.com>

Hi Jon:

On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 01:33:42PM -0400, jon baer wrote:
> normally the small scripts i write either getopt for it's content or read
> STDIN along the pipe, but i just tried to throw in a usage() function for
> null input and could not determine if STDIN was empty or not it, just hangs
> (W32).
> 
> ie:
> $d = fread(STDIN, 1024);
> 
> nothing seems to be able to determine if there is content ... any ideas?
> have not tried on debian yet.  thought checking (STDIN) would work but
> didn't.

I'm confused as to what you're really after.  Wouldn't a usage example 
apply to tips on passing arguments to a command line script?  Arguments 
for such scripts are found in $_SERVER['argv'], not STDIN.

As far as STDIN goes, I'm used to reading it via fopen() then fgets().

So, a quick and dirty example...


if ( empty($_SERVER['argv'][1]) ) {
    $_SERVER['argv'][1] = '';
}

switch ($_SERVER['argv'][1]) {
    case 'blah':
        $In = fopen('php://stdin', 'r');

        while ( !feof($In) ) {
           // do blah
        }
        break;

    default:
        echo 'usage...';
}

Enjoy,

--Dan

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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Tue Sep 23 09:13:56 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:13:56 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] determining empty STDIN | php://stdin (cli)
References: <017801c3812f$ab7a9790$8119fea9@thinkpad>
	<20030923025453.GA4889@panix.com>
Message-ID: <01d701c381d4$8b46f900$8119fea9@thinkpad>

that was more or less what I had come up with but I had noticed that passing
say an argument for reading php://stdin when there was no content would just
hang.  So if someone did:
php blah.php blah
-instead of-
cat <file> | php blah.php blah
the feof is never read, im trying to determine if it has to do with the
option 'auto_detect_line_endings'

- jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Analysis & Solutions" <danielc at analysisandsolutions.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] determining empty STDIN | php://stdin (cli)


> Hi Jon:
>
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 01:33:42PM -0400, jon baer wrote:
> > normally the small scripts i write either getopt for it's content or
read
> > STDIN along the pipe, but i just tried to throw in a usage() function
for
> > null input and could not determine if STDIN was empty or not it, just
hangs
> > (W32).
> >
> > ie:
> > $d = fread(STDIN, 1024);
> >
> > nothing seems to be able to determine if there is content ... any ideas?
> > have not tried on debian yet.  thought checking (STDIN) would work but
> > didn't.
>
> I'm confused as to what you're really after.  Wouldn't a usage example
> apply to tips on passing arguments to a command line script?  Arguments
> for such scripts are found in $_SERVER['argv'], not STDIN.
>
> As far as STDIN goes, I'm used to reading it via fopen() then fgets().
>
> So, a quick and dirty example...
>
>
> if ( empty($_SERVER['argv'][1]) ) {
>     $_SERVER['argv'][1] = '';
> }
>
> switch ($_SERVER['argv'][1]) {
>     case 'blah':
>         $In = fopen('php://stdin', 'r');
>
>         while ( !feof($In) ) {
>            // do blah
>         }
>         break;
>
>     default:
>         echo 'usage...';
> }
>
> Enjoy,
>
> --Dan
>
> --
>      FREE scripts that make web and database programming easier
>            http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/software/
>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Tue Sep 23 09:47:48 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:47:48 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] determining empty STDIN | php://stdin (cli)
References: <017801c3812f$ab7a9790$8119fea9@thinkpad><20030923025453.GA4889@panix.com>
	<01d701c381d4$8b46f900$8119fea9@thinkpad>
Message-ID: <01fb01c381d9$480e7820$8119fea9@thinkpad>

ok after further investigation i realized i should have worded my question
differently but in a nutshell:

this requires process control functions for setting a timeout to not wait
for STDIN (otherwise user needs to type something first) in turn these
functions are not available on Windoze.  so just to clarify my question -
"on W32 there is no way to timeout STDIN from cli?"

- jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "jon baer" <jonbaer at jonbaer.net>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] determining empty STDIN | php://stdin (cli)


> that was more or less what I had come up with but I had noticed that
passing
> say an argument for reading php://stdin when there was no content would
just
> hang.  So if someone did:
> php blah.php blah
> -instead of-
> cat <file> | php blah.php blah
> the feof is never read, im trying to determine if it has to do with the
> option 'auto_detect_line_endings'
>
> - jon
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Analysis & Solutions" <danielc at analysisandsolutions.com>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] determining empty STDIN | php://stdin (cli)
>
>
> > Hi Jon:
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 01:33:42PM -0400, jon baer wrote:
> > > normally the small scripts i write either getopt for it's content or
> read
> > > STDIN along the pipe, but i just tried to throw in a usage() function
> for
> > > null input and could not determine if STDIN was empty or not it, just
> hangs
> > > (W32).
> > >
> > > ie:
> > > $d = fread(STDIN, 1024);
> > >
> > > nothing seems to be able to determine if there is content ... any
ideas?
> > > have not tried on debian yet.  thought checking (STDIN) would work but
> > > didn't.
> >
> > I'm confused as to what you're really after.  Wouldn't a usage example
> > apply to tips on passing arguments to a command line script?  Arguments
> > for such scripts are found in $_SERVER['argv'], not STDIN.
> >
> > As far as STDIN goes, I'm used to reading it via fopen() then fgets().
> >
> > So, a quick and dirty example...
> >
> >
> > if ( empty($_SERVER['argv'][1]) ) {
> >     $_SERVER['argv'][1] = '';
> > }
> >
> > switch ($_SERVER['argv'][1]) {
> >     case 'blah':
> >         $In = fopen('php://stdin', 'r');
> >
> >         while ( !feof($In) ) {
> >            // do blah
> >         }
> >         break;
> >
> >     default:
> >         echo 'usage...';
> > }
> >
> > Enjoy,
> >
> > --Dan
> >
> > --
> >      FREE scripts that make web and database programming easier
> >            http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/software/
> >  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
> >  4015 7th Ave #4AJ, Brooklyn NY    v: 718-854-0335   f: 718-854-0409
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>



From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Tue Sep 23 09:52:22 2003
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:52:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] determining empty STDIN | php://stdin (cli)
In-Reply-To: <01fb01c381d9$480e7820$8119fea9@thinkpad>
Message-ID: <000a01c381d9$ea436ec0$bf8d3818@OBERON1>

Jon,

I remembered seeing something about stream timeouts at
php.net 

I was curious so I looked it up:

bool stream_set_timeout ( resource stream, int seconds [,
int microseconds])


Sets the timeout value on stream, expressed in the sum of
seconds and microseconds. 


Note: As of PHP 4.3, this function can (potentially) work on
any kind of stream. In PHP 4.3, socket based streams are
still the only kind supported in the PHP core, although
streams from other extensions may support this function. 

I don't know if this is any help -- but it might be.


T. Gales & Associates
Helping People Connect with Technology
http://www.tgaconnect.com

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of jon baer
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 9:48 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] determining empty STDIN |
php://stdin (cli)

ok after further investigation i realized i should have
worded my question
differently but in a nutshell:

this requires process control functions for setting a
timeout to not wait
for STDIN (otherwise user needs to type something first) in
turn these
functions are not available on Windoze.  so just to clarify
my question -
"on W32 there is no way to timeout STDIN from cli?"

- jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "jon baer" <jonbaer at jonbaer.net>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] determining empty STDIN |
php://stdin (cli)


> that was more or less what I had come up with but I had
noticed that
passing
> say an argument for reading php://stdin when there was no
content would
just
> hang.  So if someone did:
> php blah.php blah
> -instead of-
> cat <file> | php blah.php blah
> the feof is never read, im trying to determine if it has
to do with the
> option 'auto_detect_line_endings'
>
> - jon
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Analysis & Solutions"
<danielc at analysisandsolutions.com>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] determining empty STDIN |
php://stdin (cli)
>
>
> > Hi Jon:
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 01:33:42PM -0400, jon baer
wrote:
> > > normally the small scripts i write either getopt for
it's content or
> read
> > > STDIN along the pipe, but i just tried to throw in a
usage() function
> for
> > > null input and could not determine if STDIN was empty
or not it, just
> hangs
> > > (W32).
> > >
> > > ie:
> > > $d = fread(STDIN, 1024);
> > >
> > > nothing seems to be able to determine if there is
content ... any
ideas?
> > > have not tried on debian yet.  thought checking
(STDIN) would work but
> > > didn't.
> >
> > I'm confused as to what you're really after.  Wouldn't a
usage example
> > apply to tips on passing arguments to a command line
script?  Arguments
> > for such scripts are found in $_SERVER['argv'], not
STDIN.
> >
> > As far as STDIN goes, I'm used to reading it via fopen()
then fgets().
> >
> > So, a quick and dirty example...
> >
> >
> > if ( empty($_SERVER['argv'][1]) ) {
> >     $_SERVER['argv'][1] = '';
> > }
> >
> > switch ($_SERVER['argv'][1]) {
> >     case 'blah':
> >         $In = fopen('php://stdin', 'r');
> >
> >         while ( !feof($In) ) {
> >            // do blah
> >         }
> >         break;
> >
> >     default:
> >         echo 'usage...';
> > }
> >
> > Enjoy,
> >
> > --Dan
> >
> > --
> >      FREE scripts that make web and database programming
easier
> >            http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/software/
> >  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C
O M P A N Y
> >  4015 7th Ave #4AJ, Brooklyn NY    v: 718-854-0335   f:
718-854-0409
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>

_______________________________________________
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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Tue Sep 23 10:07:04 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:07:04 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] determining empty STDIN | php://stdin (cli)
References: <000a01c381d9$ea436ec0$bf8d3818@OBERON1>
Message-ID: <020b01c381db$f76f18e0$8119fea9@thinkpad>

unfortunatley that failed as well ... here is a simple example:

<?php
 stream_set_timeout(STDIN, 3);
 $in = fgets(STDIN);
 echo $in;
?>

i was expecting this to bail out and print nothing after 3 seconds ...

- jon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Gales" <tgales at tgaconnect.com>
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 9:52 AM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] determining empty STDIN | php://stdin (cli)


Jon,

I remembered seeing something about stream timeouts at
php.net 

I was curious so I looked it up:

bool stream_set_timeout ( resource stream, int seconds [,
int microseconds])


Sets the timeout value on stream, expressed in the sum of
seconds and microseconds. 


Note: As of PHP 4.3, this function can (potentially) work on
any kind of stream. In PHP 4.3, socket based streams are
still the only kind supported in the PHP core, although
streams from other extensions may support this function. 

I don't know if this is any help -- but it might be.


T. Gales & Associates
Helping People Connect with Technology
http://www.tgaconnect.com

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of jon baer
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 9:48 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] determining empty STDIN |
php://stdin (cli)

ok after further investigation i realized i should have
worded my question
differently but in a nutshell:

this requires process control functions for setting a
timeout to not wait
for STDIN (otherwise user needs to type something first) in
turn these
functions are not available on Windoze.  so just to clarify
my question -
"on W32 there is no way to timeout STDIN from cli?"

- jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "jon baer" <jonbaer at jonbaer.net>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] determining empty STDIN |
php://stdin (cli)


> that was more or less what I had come up with but I had
noticed that
passing
> say an argument for reading php://stdin when there was no
content would
just
> hang.  So if someone did:
> php blah.php blah
> -instead of-
> cat <file> | php blah.php blah
> the feof is never read, im trying to determine if it has
to do with the
> option 'auto_detect_line_endings'
>
> - jon
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Analysis & Solutions"
<danielc at analysisandsolutions.com>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] determining empty STDIN |
php://stdin (cli)
>
>
> > Hi Jon:
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 01:33:42PM -0400, jon baer
wrote:
> > > normally the small scripts i write either getopt for
it's content or
> read
> > > STDIN along the pipe, but i just tried to throw in a
usage() function
> for
> > > null input and could not determine if STDIN was empty
or not it, just
> hangs
> > > (W32).
> > >
> > > ie:
> > > $d = fread(STDIN, 1024);
> > >
> > > nothing seems to be able to determine if there is
content ... any
ideas?
> > > have not tried on debian yet.  thought checking
(STDIN) would work but
> > > didn't.
> >
> > I'm confused as to what you're really after.  Wouldn't a
usage example
> > apply to tips on passing arguments to a command line
script?  Arguments
> > for such scripts are found in $_SERVER['argv'], not
STDIN.
> >
> > As far as STDIN goes, I'm used to reading it via fopen()
then fgets().
> >
> > So, a quick and dirty example...
> >
> >
> > if ( empty($_SERVER['argv'][1]) ) {
> >     $_SERVER['argv'][1] = '';
> > }
> >
> > switch ($_SERVER['argv'][1]) {
> >     case 'blah':
> >         $In = fopen('php://stdin', 'r');
> >
> >         while ( !feof($In) ) {
> >            // do blah
> >         }
> >         break;
> >
> >     default:
> >         echo 'usage...';
> > }
> >
> > Enjoy,
> >
> > --Dan
> >
> > --
> >      FREE scripts that make web and database programming
easier
> >            http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/software/
> >  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C
O M P A N Y
> >  4015 7th Ave #4AJ, Brooklyn NY    v: 718-854-0335   f:
718-854-0409
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>

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From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Tue Sep 23 10:24:29 2003
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:24:29 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] determining empty STDIN | php://stdin (cli)
In-Reply-To: <020b01c381db$f76f18e0$8119fea9@thinkpad>
Message-ID: <000b01c381de$66a8b0c0$bf8d3818@OBERON1>

I found this interesting..

<?php
 
 
 //  hacked  from the proc_open example in the manual
 
$descriptorspec = array(
   0 => array("pipe", "r"),  // stdin is a pipe that the
child will read from
   1 => array("pipe", "w"),  // stdout is a pipe that the
child will write to
   2 => array("file", "/tmp/error-output.txt", "a") //
stderr is a file to write to
);
$process = proc_open("php", $descriptorspec, $pipes);
if (is_resource($process)) {

    fwrite($pipes[0], "\"NE1 there ??\"");   // hacked
here..
    fclose($pipes[0]);

    while(!feof($pipes[1])) {
        echo fgets($pipes[1], 1024);
    }
    fclose($pipes[1]);
    // It is important that you close any pipes before
calling
    // proc_close in order to avoid a deadlock
    $return_value = proc_close($process);

    echo "command returned $return_value\n";
}
?>

again this may not further your cause... but it might

T. Gales & Associates
Helping People Connect with Technology
http://www.tgaconnect.com

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of jon baer
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 10:07 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] determining empty STDIN |
php://stdin (cli)

unfortunatley that failed as well ... here is a simple
example:

<?php
 stream_set_timeout(STDIN, 3);
 $in = fgets(STDIN);
 echo $in;
?>

i was expecting this to bail out and print nothing after 3
seconds ...

- jon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Gales" <tgales at tgaconnect.com>
To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 9:52 AM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] determining empty STDIN |
php://stdin (cli)


Jon,

I remembered seeing something about stream timeouts at
php.net 

I was curious so I looked it up:

bool stream_set_timeout ( resource stream, int seconds [,
int microseconds])


Sets the timeout value on stream, expressed in the sum of
seconds and microseconds. 


Note: As of PHP 4.3, this function can (potentially) work on
any kind of stream. In PHP 4.3, socket based streams are
still the only kind supported in the PHP core, although
streams from other extensions may support this function. 

I don't know if this is any help -- but it might be.


T. Gales & Associates
Helping People Connect with Technology
http://www.tgaconnect.com

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of jon baer
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 9:48 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] determining empty STDIN |
php://stdin (cli)

ok after further investigation i realized i should have
worded my question
differently but in a nutshell:

this requires process control functions for setting a
timeout to not wait
for STDIN (otherwise user needs to type something first) in
turn these
functions are not available on Windoze.  so just to clarify
my question -
"on W32 there is no way to timeout STDIN from cli?"

- jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "jon baer" <jonbaer at jonbaer.net>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] determining empty STDIN |
php://stdin (cli)


> that was more or less what I had come up with but I had
noticed that
passing
> say an argument for reading php://stdin when there was no
content would
just
> hang.  So if someone did:
> php blah.php blah
> -instead of-
> cat <file> | php blah.php blah
> the feof is never read, im trying to determine if it has
to do with the
> option 'auto_detect_line_endings'
>
> - jon
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Analysis & Solutions"
<danielc at analysisandsolutions.com>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] determining empty STDIN |
php://stdin (cli)
>
>
> > Hi Jon:
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 01:33:42PM -0400, jon baer
wrote:
> > > normally the small scripts i write either getopt for
it's content or
> read
> > > STDIN along the pipe, but i just tried to throw in a
usage() function
> for
> > > null input and could not determine if STDIN was empty
or not it, just
> hangs
> > > (W32).
> > >
> > > ie:
> > > $d = fread(STDIN, 1024);
> > >
> > > nothing seems to be able to determine if there is
content ... any
ideas?
> > > have not tried on debian yet.  thought checking
(STDIN) would work but
> > > didn't.
> >
> > I'm confused as to what you're really after.  Wouldn't a
usage example
> > apply to tips on passing arguments to a command line
script?  Arguments
> > for such scripts are found in $_SERVER['argv'], not
STDIN.
> >
> > As far as STDIN goes, I'm used to reading it via fopen()
then fgets().
> >
> > So, a quick and dirty example...
> >
> >
> > if ( empty($_SERVER['argv'][1]) ) {
> >     $_SERVER['argv'][1] = '';
> > }
> >
> > switch ($_SERVER['argv'][1]) {
> >     case 'blah':
> >         $In = fopen('php://stdin', 'r');
> >
> >         while ( !feof($In) ) {
> >            // do blah
> >         }
> >         break;
> >
> >     default:
> >         echo 'usage...';
> > }
> >
> > Enjoy,
> >
> > --Dan
> >
> > --
> >      FREE scripts that make web and database programming
easier
> >            http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/software/
> >  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C
O M P A N Y
> >  4015 7th Ave #4AJ, Brooklyn NY    v: 718-854-0335   f:
718-854-0409
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>

_______________________________________________
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From andrew at digitalpulp.com  Tue Sep 23 11:25:09 2003
From: andrew at digitalpulp.com (Andrew Yochum)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:25:09 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] T_ARRAY error but have no idea why
In-Reply-To: <014801c3815f$8af14610$67a76244@philofsoa>
References: <014801c3815f$8af14610$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <20030923152508.GR8912@thighmaster.digitalpulp.com>

Perhaps you want...
    ${$label . 'Array'} = array();
or something similar?

On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 07:16:23PM -0400, Phil Powell wrote:
> The following code:
> 
>    $kounter = 0; $fsArray = array('farge', 'storrelse');
>    for ($i = 0; $i < sizeof($fsArray); $i++) {
>     // POPULATE CONTENT FOR BOTH FARGE AND ST?RRELSE DROPDOWNS NOW ASSOCIATED ACCORDING TO PRODUKT ID
>      $label = $fsArray[$i];
>      ${$label}Array = array();
>      $sql = 'SELECT s.nnet_produkt_' . $label . '_navn ' .
>             'FROM nnet_produkt p, nnet_produkt_' . $label . '_assoc q, ' .
>             '     nnet_produkt_' . $label . ' r ' .
>             'WHERE p.nnet_produkt_id = q.nnet_produkt_id ' .
>             ' AND p.nnet_produkt_id = ' . $row['nnet_produkt_id'] .
>             ' AND q.nnet_produkt_' . $label . '_id = r.nnet_produkt_' . $label . '_id';
>      $dropdownQuery = mysql_query($sql) or die('Could not perform dropdown query: ' . mysql_error());
>      while ($dropdownRow = mysql_fetch_row($dropdownQuery)) 
>       array_push(${$label}Array, $dropdownRow[0]);
>    } // END OF FOR LOOP FOR $fsArray
> 
> produces the following error:
> 
> Parse error: parse error, unexpected T_ARRAY in /home/nordicnet.no/membersites/vis_varegruppen.php on line 133
> 
> Line 133 is:
> 
> ${$label}Array = array();
> 
> I'm lost as usual.  Help!
> 
> Thanx
> Phil
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk


-- 
Andrew Yochum
Digital Pulp, Inc.
212.679.0676x255
andrew at digitalpulp.com


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Tue Sep 23 11:46:37 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:46:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] determining empty STDIN | php://stdin (cli)
In-Reply-To: <020b01c381db$f76f18e0$8119fea9@thinkpad>
References: <000a01c381d9$ea436ec0$bf8d3818@OBERON1>
	<020b01c381db$f76f18e0$8119fea9@thinkpad>
Message-ID: <20030923154636.GA21490@panix.com>

Hi Folks:

On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 10:07:04AM -0400, jon baer wrote:
> 
> <?php
>  stream_set_timeout(STDIN, 3);
>  $in = fgets(STDIN);
>  echo $in;
> ?>

I ran a similar test.  Do note though, the first parameter to the function 
is supposed to be a resource ID.  None the less, it returns false ("wasn't 
set" in my test) so this function isn't meant for manipulating STDIN.

        $In = fopen('php://stdin', 'r');
        if (stream_set_timeout($In, 1) ) {
            echo "was set\n";
        } else {
            echo "wasn't set\n";
        }

I just searched php.general about this and couldn't find any answers there 
either.  http://groups.google.com/groups?group=php.general

Enjoy,

--Dan

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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Tue Sep 23 12:03:11 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:03:11 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] determining empty STDIN | php://stdin (cli)
References: <000a01c381d9$ea436ec0$bf8d3818@OBERON1><020b01c381db$f76f18e0$8119fea9@thinkpad>
	<20030923154636.GA21490@panix.com>
Message-ID: <023d01c381ec$304db5d0$8119fea9@thinkpad>

just wanted to point out that STDIN/STDOUT/STDERR with --enable-cli resolves
to a resource automatically
(http://www.zend.com/manual/features.commandline.php)

STDIN = resource of "php://stdin"

same for

$_SERVER['argv'][1] = $argv[1]

here is another example i notice that does not work as it should:

ini_set("max_execution_time", "5");
 $in = fgets(STDIN);
 echo $in;

throws:

Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 5 seconds exceeded.

- jon

>>> ran a similar test.  Do note though, the first parameter to the function
is supposed to be a resource ID. <<<





From lists at ny-tech.net  Tue Sep 23 13:05:47 2003
From: lists at ny-tech.net (Nasir Zubair)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:05:47 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Magazines
In-Reply-To: <023d01c381ec$304db5d0$8119fea9@thinkpad>
Message-ID: <001901c381f4$f08afdf0$6401a8c0@main>

I'm thinking about getting a subscription to PHP Architect. However, today I
saw PHP Magazine banner on NYPHP.org. Has anyone read this magazine? How is
it compared to PHP|a?  Also, the price is kinda steep, $72 for 6 issues
compared to PHP|a's $22 for 12.

- Nasir



From jlacey at ix.netcom.com  Tue Sep 23 13:18:21 2003
From: jlacey at ix.netcom.com (John Lacey)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:18:21 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Magazines
In-Reply-To: <001901c381f4$f08afdf0$6401a8c0@main>
References: <001901c381f4$f08afdf0$6401a8c0@main>
Message-ID: <3F70805D.5060401@ix.netcom.com>


I subsribe to phparchitect and it's worth every penny for the value... I 
looked at php magazine initially but, like you, I was a bit put off by 
the price.

John

Nasir Zubair wrote:

>I'm thinking about getting a subscription to PHP Architect. However, today I
>saw PHP Magazine banner on NYPHP.org. Has anyone read this magazine? How is
>it compared to PHP|a?  Also, the price is kinda steep, $72 for 6 issues
>compared to PHP|a's $22 for 12.
>
>- Nasir
>
>_______________________________________________
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>
>  
>




From hans at nyphp.org  Tue Sep 23 13:36:24 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:36:24 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Magazines
In-Reply-To: <001901c381f4$f08afdf0$6401a8c0@main>
References: <001901c381f4$f08afdf0$6401a8c0@main>
Message-ID: <3F708498.8010806@nyphp.org>



Nasir Zubair wrote:

> I'm thinking about getting a subscription to PHP Architect. However, today I
> saw PHP Magazine banner on NYPHP.org. Has anyone read this magazine? How is
> it compared to PHP|a?  Also, the price is kinda steep, $72 for 6 issues
> compared to PHP|a's $22 for 12.

I have three issues I'll be giving away as samples at tonight's meeting (cover story: PHP 5's New OO MOdel).  I've read through the magazine and it's very complete and detailed.  Both are great, but I might say that PHP Magazine is a bit more technical.

H




From jlacey at ix.netcom.com  Tue Sep 23 13:45:24 2003
From: jlacey at ix.netcom.com (John Lacey)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:45:24 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Magazines
In-Reply-To: <3F708498.8010806@nyphp.org>
References: <001901c381f4$f08afdf0$6401a8c0@main> <3F708498.8010806@nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3F7086B4.3060406@ix.netcom.com>



Hans Zaunere wrote:

>
>
> I have three issues I'll be giving away as samples at tonight's 
> meeting (cover story: PHP 5's New OO MOdel).  I've read through the 
> magazine and it's very complete and detailed.  Both are great, but I 
> might say that PHP Magazine is a bit more technical.
>

good input Hans -- I'll give php magazine a second look now.  probably a 
good idea to get more than one perspective anyhow  :)

J




From lists at ny-tech.net  Tue Sep 23 13:59:33 2003
From: lists at ny-tech.net (Nasir Zubair)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:59:33 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Magazines
In-Reply-To: <3F708498.8010806@nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000001c381fc$734f89c0$6401a8c0@main>

Thanks Hans. Will take a look at PHP mag.


-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:hans at nyphp.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 1:36 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP Magazines




Nasir Zubair wrote:

> I'm thinking about getting a subscription to PHP Architect. However, 
> today I saw PHP Magazine banner on NYPHP.org. Has anyone read this 
> magazine? How is it compared to PHP|a?  Also, the price is kinda 
> steep, $72 for 6 issues compared to PHP|a's $22 for 12.

I have three issues I'll be giving away as samples at tonight's meeting
(cover story: PHP 5's New OO MOdel).  I've read through the magazine and
it's very complete and detailed.  Both are great, but I might say that PHP
Magazine is a bit more technical.

H


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From tom at supertom.com  Tue Sep 23 13:57:55 2003
From: tom at supertom.com (tom at supertom.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:57:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Magazines
In-Reply-To: <3F708498.8010806@nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <LBEDJMJGLEPEKJAJMHBDAEPPFPAA.tom@supertom.com>

So, I just typed in phpmagazine.com (I just guessed that would be the
domain), and didn't end up where I thought I should. (Take my advice, folks,
it was bad news!)

Maybe that's the reason for the high-priced issues - they need to buy the
domain from these scumbags!

Tom





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-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Hans Zaunere
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 1:36 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP Magazines




Nasir Zubair wrote:

> I'm thinking about getting a subscription to PHP Architect. However, today
I
> saw PHP Magazine banner on NYPHP.org. Has anyone read this magazine? How
is
> it compared to PHP|a?  Also, the price is kinda steep, $72 for 6 issues
> compared to PHP|a's $22 for 12.

I have three issues I'll be giving away as samples at tonight's meeting
(cover story: PHP 5's New OO MOdel).  I've read through the magazine and
it's very complete and detailed.  Both are great, but I might say that PHP
Magazine is a bit more technical.

H


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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Tue Sep 23 15:20:21 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff Siegel)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 15:20:21 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Magazines
In-Reply-To: <LBEDJMJGLEPEKJAJMHBDAEPPFPAA.tom@supertom.com>
Message-ID: <006b01c38207$bb77abf0$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

OMG! This looks like the work of Microsoft! ;)

Jeff 

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of tom at supertom.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 12:58 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] PHP Magazines


So, I just typed in phpmagazine.com (I just guessed that would be the
domain), and didn't end up where I thought I should. (Take my advice,
folks,
it was bad news!)

Maybe that's the reason for the high-priced issues - they need to buy
the
domain from these scumbags!

Tom





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-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Hans Zaunere
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 1:36 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP Magazines




Nasir Zubair wrote:

> I'm thinking about getting a subscription to PHP Architect. However,
today
I
> saw PHP Magazine banner on NYPHP.org. Has anyone read this magazine?
How
is
> it compared to PHP|a?  Also, the price is kinda steep, $72 for 6
issues
> compared to PHP|a's $22 for 12.

I have three issues I'll be giving away as samples at tonight's meeting
(cover story: PHP 5's New OO MOdel).  I've read through the magazine and
it's very complete and detailed.  Both are great, but I might say that
PHP
Magazine is a bit more technical.

H


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From tom at supertom.com  Tue Sep 23 16:39:36 2003
From: tom at supertom.com (tom at supertom.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:39:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Magazines
In-Reply-To: <006b01c38207$bb77abf0$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <LBEDJMJGLEPEKJAJMHBDKEAOGAAA.tom@supertom.com>

Now that you say that, I wouldn't be surprised! :-)

 
 
 
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Jeff Siegel
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:20 PM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] PHP Magazines


OMG! This looks like the work of Microsoft! ;)

Jeff 

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of tom at supertom.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 12:58 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] PHP Magazines


So, I just typed in phpmagazine.com (I just guessed that would be the
domain), and didn't end up where I thought I should. (Take my advice,
folks,
it was bad news!)

Maybe that's the reason for the high-priced issues - they need to buy
the
domain from these scumbags!

Tom





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-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Hans Zaunere
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 1:36 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP Magazines




Nasir Zubair wrote:

> I'm thinking about getting a subscription to PHP Architect. However,
today
I
> saw PHP Magazine banner on NYPHP.org. Has anyone read this magazine?
How
is
> it compared to PHP|a?  Also, the price is kinda steep, $72 for 6
issues
> compared to PHP|a's $22 for 12.

I have three issues I'll be giving away as samples at tonight's meeting
(cover story: PHP 5's New OO MOdel).  I've read through the magazine and
it's very complete and detailed.  Both are great, but I might say that
PHP
Magazine is a bit more technical.

H


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http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk

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From hans at nyphp.org  Tue Sep 23 17:09:03 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:09:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Out of the office
In-Reply-To: <20030922033014.GA24271@panix.com>
References: <3F6E471F.8090504@chxo.com>	<JMEHLOIOFHBEJDCDJNLOMEHHEDAA.chendry@nyc.rr.com>
	<20030922033014.GA24271@panix.com>
Message-ID: <3F70B66F.6060708@nyphp.org>



Analysis & Solutions wrote:

> Hola:
> 
> On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 09:47:56PM -0400, Christopher Hendry wrote:
> 
>>Seems to be where this message generates from - maybe a poorly configured
>>mailserver.
> 
> 
> Whatever it is, thank heavens I have procmail around to /dev/null all 
> these stupid messages.
> 
> So, Hans, how about adjusting the mail server to drop these type 
> of messages?

These have become quite an annoyance.  I'm looking at eliminating them.

H
 



From JudyBe at belkin.com  Tue Sep 23 17:15:39 2003
From: JudyBe at belkin.com (Judy Bello)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:15:39 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mysql authentication and php - building php for windows
Message-ID: <006B22B846854640942D08F78855FCE14F184B@addison.belkin.com>


Hi.
I just installed php version 4.3.3, apache2.x and mysql version 4.1 on
Windows.  The mySql server does not work with php authentication and the
error message suggests that i update php.  Unfortunately, I cannot find a
higher version of php released as Windows Binaries.  Worse yet, I am not
sure it would save me because the documentation says they are going to
deprecate the mysql library.    But I am thinking that the 'mysqli' library
might fix my problem, but it looks like I have to build the code myself to
integrate it, and I haven't seen a windows source package for php.  
 I can back down my version of mysql, but then I lose some nice coding
advantages there.  This is all very frustrating because I am accustomed to
working in linux or some other unix and working with gnu tools where you
have a lot of freedom.    But I am not sure that would work to get a viable
windows executable and set of dlls.  Does anyone know if this can be done?
Is there any kind of package for building Windows php?  Is there a simpler
solution that I am not seeing?
Thanks for your advice.

Judy
   
Judith Bello
Belkin Research and Development
1057 East Henrietta Road
Rochester, NY 14623
(585) 785-0686




From shiflett at php.net  Tue Sep 23 17:28:53 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:28:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Magazines
In-Reply-To: <001901c381f4$f08afdf0$6401a8c0@main>
Message-ID: <20030923212853.10197.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Nasir Zubair <lists at ny-tech.net> wrote:
> I'm thinking about getting a subscription to PHP Architect. However,
> today I saw PHP Magazine banner on NYPHP.org. Has anyone read this
> magazine? How is it compared to PHP|a?  Also, the price is kinda
> steep, $72 for 6 issues compared to PHP|a's $22 for 12.

I think it is good to support PHP magazines in general, at least while each is
still relatively young. PHP Journal's fall is indicative of the instability
such publications must endure initially. I'm speaking to myself as much as
anyone.

PHP Magazine has always seemed financially instable, but that's just my general
perception (I could be completely wrong). It also seems to be targetted at the
western European audience, which might be why it is so expensive to get it
elsewhere. Still, some good authors have written for it, so I'm sure it is a
quality magazine. I'm going to try and sneak at glance at one of the copies
Hans brings.

php|a seems to be the most successful so far, but I'm not sure if that is due
to better content or being more focused on a worldwide audience. I think
allowing people to buy individual issues as PDFs for very little money has
helped them a lot. They gave me a free subscription back when they first
started, so I've kept up more with it than with PHP Magazine.

I wrote an article on XSS and CSRF for the October issue of php|a. As little as
they pay authors, I figure that counts as supporting them. :-)

Chris

=====
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http://httphandbook.org/


From adam at trachtenberg.com  Tue Sep 23 17:57:55 2003
From: adam at trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:57:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mysql authentication and php - building php for
	windows
In-Reply-To: <006B22B846854640942D08F78855FCE14F184B@addison.belkin.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309231746180.14588-100000@miranda.org>

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Judy Bello wrote:

> I just installed php version 4.3.3, apache2.x and mysql version 4.1 on
> Windows.

This is a nasty combination of versions. You can't run these together,
and surprisingly enough, it's not the fault of Apache 2.0. :)

If you want to use MySQL 4.1, you need the mysqli extension, which is
PHP 5 only. Unfortunately, you need to not only be running the latest
CVS (well, actually BitKeeper) version of MySQL 4.1, you probably also
need to use the latest CVS of PHP 5.0. (So, you can't, for example,
download MySQL 4.1a and use that with PHP 5.0 beta 1.)

MySQL 4.1's in alpha and PHP 5.0's in beta and PHP's Apache 2.0
support is non-production quality, so draw you own conclusions. :)

> This is all very frustrating because I am accustomed to working in
> linux or some other unix and working with gnu tools where you have a
> lot of freedom.  But I am not sure that would work to get a viable
> windows executable and set of dlls.  Does anyone know if this can be
> done?  Is there any kind of package for building Windows php?  Is
> there a simpler solution that I am not seeing?

I looked into getting this running on Mac OS X and/or Redhat
Linux. It's a super pain-in-the-ass. I was looking at installing
BitKeeper just to get the MySQL sources *and* upgrading autoconf and
bison to get MySQL to build. And I already had a working version of
PHP 5.0 building from CVS!

I wouldn't suggest trying it on Windows. I would suggest using MySQL
4.0 instead as that is the best of all the crappy alternatives. You
could also do what I'm doing: waiting until a newer version of MySQL
4.1 is released as a binary. A third option is looking to find a
built-from-CVS binary version of MySQL 4.1 and trying something from
http://snaps.php.net/.

That may work, but now that MySQL 4.1 is GPL, PHP cannot currently
distribute the MySQL client libraries due to "issues." (That are being
worked on.) So, YMMV.

-adam

-- 
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author of o'reilly's php cookbook
avoid the holiday rush, buy your copy today!



From soazine at erols.com  Tue Sep 23 22:15:51 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:15:51 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] T_ARRAY error but have no idea why
References: <014801c3815f$8af14610$67a76244@philofsoa>
	<20030923152508.GR8912@thighmaster.digitalpulp.com>
Message-ID: <0e1201c38241$c6e13940$67a76244@philofsoa>

Yep couldn't figure out the exact syntax of what I wanted, thanx!

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Yochum" <andrew at digitalpulp.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] T_ARRAY error but have no idea why


> Perhaps you want...
>     ${$label . 'Array'} = array();
> or something similar?
>
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 07:16:23PM -0400, Phil Powell wrote:
> > The following code:
> >
> >    $kounter = 0; $fsArray = array('farge', 'storrelse');
> >    for ($i = 0; $i < sizeof($fsArray); $i++) {
> >     // POPULATE CONTENT FOR BOTH FARGE AND ST?RRELSE DROPDOWNS NOW
ASSOCIATED ACCORDING TO PRODUKT ID
> >      $label = $fsArray[$i];
> >      ${$label}Array = array();
> >      $sql = 'SELECT s.nnet_produkt_' . $label . '_navn ' .
> >             'FROM nnet_produkt p, nnet_produkt_' . $label . '_assoc q, '
.
> >             '     nnet_produkt_' . $label . ' r ' .
> >             'WHERE p.nnet_produkt_id = q.nnet_produkt_id ' .
> >             ' AND p.nnet_produkt_id = ' . $row['nnet_produkt_id'] .
> >             ' AND q.nnet_produkt_' . $label . '_id = r.nnet_produkt_' .
$label . '_id';
> >      $dropdownQuery = mysql_query($sql) or die('Could not perform
dropdown query: ' . mysql_error());
> >      while ($dropdownRow = mysql_fetch_row($dropdownQuery))
> >       array_push(${$label}Array, $dropdownRow[0]);
> >    } // END OF FOR LOOP FOR $fsArray
> >
> > produces the following error:
> >
> > Parse error: parse error, unexpected T_ARRAY in
/home/nordicnet.no/membersites/vis_varegruppen.php on line 133
> >
> > Line 133 is:
> >
> > ${$label}Array = array();
> >
> > I'm lost as usual.  Help!
> >
> > Thanx
> > Phil
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>
> -- 
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> andrew at digitalpulp.com
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From lists at ny-tech.net  Tue Sep 23 23:09:01 2003
From: lists at ny-tech.net (Nasir Zubair)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 23:09:01 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Today's Meeting. Templates
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309231746180.14588-100000@miranda.org>
Message-ID: <000001c38249$35b195c0$6401a8c0@main>

Hello everyone,

Today's meeting was great, It was nice to attach faces to some of the
regularly seen names on the list :)

I just wanted to comment on templates discussion that went on today. All
three presenters did their parts pretty well. The thing that bothered me was
that both Daniel and Chris sort of implied that the "designers" are fairly
dumb creatures, who only know HTML, or XHTML, and are completely oblivious
to the whole realm of scripting. We all know that in today's market almost
every designer has had some kind of experience with scripting, be it PHP,
ASP, CF or even JavaScript. Unless they hands you the design in form of an
image file, which will qualify them as an artist rather than a web designer.


Officially, my stance on the templating engine is not a solid one. I
recently setup smarty for a client, a painful process to setup with no root
access, but it worked out quite well. I'll probably play around with PHPLib,
however, last I looked at it, it totally confused me with the way blocks
work. Most of my projects don't use an external templating engine, mostly
everything in php, evals, includes, etc. etc.

- Nasir



From alexander_chan at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 23 23:31:36 2003
From: alexander_chan at yahoo.com (Alexander Chan)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:31:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] unziping files throug php
Message-ID: <20030924033136.13685.qmail@web11608.mail.yahoo.com>

hi everybody,

I am not sure what would be the best way of doing the
following.  I have a php script that will take a HTTP
uploaded zip file and and uncompress it. I am not sure
if  i should just do exec('gunzip $filename'); . Is
there a cleaner way?

alex


From nyphp at websapp.com  Tue Sep 23 23:38:56 2003
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 23:38:56 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Today's Meeting. Templates
In-Reply-To: <000001c38249$35b195c0$6401a8c0@main>
Message-ID: <KHEIIHMNNIFIGCMGGFDJAEBKLBAA.nyphp@websapp.com>

> Today's meeting was great, It was nice to attach faces to some of the
> regularly seen names on the list :)

it was nice to meet you too!


> I just wanted to comment on templates discussion that went on today. All
> three presenters did their parts pretty well. The thing that
> bothered me was
> that both Daniel and Chris sort of implied that the "designers" are fairly
> dumb creatures, who only know HTML, or XHTML, and are completely oblivious
> to the whole realm of scripting. We all know that in today's market almost
> every designer has had some kind of experience with scripting, be it PHP,
> ASP, CF or even JavaScript.

Neither Chris or I never implied that designers are dumb. In todays market
you can find many 'Jack of all tades'. I have worked with amazing designers
and many of them did not know any programming what so ever. Not knowing a
program language(s) does not mean that one is dumb. Being able to let a
designer concentrate on what he/she does best, will result in a better
product.
I am positive that there are many good designers that know how to program,
but when I look for a solution, I would like it to fit most cases.

A word about PHPLib: it takes time to get used to! I did not go into
details, but without adding anthing else to the HTML (besides variables and
blocks), PHPLib Templates can do ANYTHING that you need be done with the
template. I have build many commercial and complex sites with it (where the
designers of the site did not know how to program :)).

--Daniel




From lists at ny-tech.net  Tue Sep 23 23:54:08 2003
From: lists at ny-tech.net (Nasir Zubair)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 23:54:08 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Today's Meeting. Templates
In-Reply-To: <KHEIIHMNNIFIGCMGGFDJAEBKLBAA.nyphp@websapp.com>
Message-ID: <000001c3824f$82f753a0$6401a8c0@main>

> Neither Chris or I never implied that designers are dumb. In todays market
you can find many 'Jack of all
> tades'. I have worked with amazing designers and many of them did not know
any programming what so ever. Not
> knowing a program language(s) does not mean that one is dumb. Being able
to let a designer concentrate on what
> he/she does best, will result in a better product. I am positive that
there are many good designers that know
> how to program, but when I look for a solution, I would like it to fit
most cases.

I am not sure why but it did come across to me that as if  "designers" in
question were mostly those who didn't know anything about scripting, or the
business logic. Hence the usage of "dumb", perhaps not the right word :) 
Thanks for clarification though.

> A word about PHPLib: it takes time to get used to! I did not go into
details, but without adding anthing else
> to the HTML (besides variables and blocks), PHPLib Templates can do
ANYTHING that you need be done with the
> template. I have build many commercial and complex sites with it (where
the designers of the site did not know
> how to program :)).

I'll give PHPLib a shot for one of my upcoming projects, and see where it
leads me.

- Nasir

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From adam at trachtenberg.com  Wed Sep 24 00:20:42 2003
From: adam at trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 00:20:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] unziping files throug php
In-Reply-To: <20030924033136.13685.qmail@web11608.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309240019490.16276-100000@miranda.org>

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Alexander Chan wrote:

> I am not sure what would be the best way of doing the
> following.  I have a php script that will take a HTTP
> uploaded zip file and and uncompress it. I am not sure
> if  i should just do exec('gunzip $filename'); . Is
> there a cleaner way?

Depending on what you want to do with the file after you uncompress
it, you may want to check out: <http://www.php.net/zlib>.

-adam

-- 
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author of o'reilly's php cookbook
avoid the holiday rush, buy your copy today!



From nyphp at websapp.com  Wed Sep 24 00:35:14 2003
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 00:35:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Reminder: 50% Zend Studio Version 3
Message-ID: <KHEIIHMNNIFIGCMGGFDJIEBMLBAA.nyphp@websapp.com>

Use special offer code:  NYPHPZDE3
Zend Studio Plus for $124.50	
Valid only from 23 - 26 September

http://www.zend.com/store/products/zend-studio.php

--Daniel




From lists at ny-tech.net  Wed Sep 24 01:00:05 2003
From: lists at ny-tech.net (Nasir Zubair)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 01:00:05 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Reminder: 50% Zend Studio Version 3
In-Reply-To: <KHEIIHMNNIFIGCMGGFDJIEBMLBAA.nyphp@websapp.com>
Message-ID: <000001c38258$b9640a60$6401a8c0@main>

Thanks, I was about start a thread asking for it. Since I have a great
memory, I had already forgotten it.

- Nasir

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Kushner [mailto:nyphp at websapp.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:35 AM
To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Reminder: 50% Zend Studio Version 3


Use special offer code:  NYPHPZDE3
Zend Studio Plus for $124.50	
Valid only from 23 - 26 September

http://www.zend.com/store/products/zend-studio.php

--Daniel


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From csnyder at chxo.com  Wed Sep 24 07:52:07 2003
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 07:52:07 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Today's Meeting. Templates
In-Reply-To: <000001c38249$35b195c0$6401a8c0@main>
References: <000001c38249$35b195c0$6401a8c0@main>
Message-ID: <3F718567.3080900@chxo.com>

Nasir Zubair wrote:

>The thing that bothered me was
>that both Daniel and Chris sort of implied that the "designers" are fairly
>dumb creatures, who only know HTML, or XHTML, and are completely oblivious
>to the whole realm of scripting. 
>
On the contrary-- designers (and especially the integrators in Hans' 
world) are generally brilliant. It takes a logical mind to program in 
PHP, but it takes an artist to be able to craft an attractive website 
that is actually usable by non-technical people in a wide array of 
browsers. Had I been a little more on target, I would have implied that 
it is important to find a system that maximizes everyone's strengths. 
Even on a project where you are the sole author, it's helpful to be in a 
place where your tasks are delineated.

That's exactly why some kind of templating scheme, whether it's 
disciplined PHP, Smarty, PHPLib, ZPT (I'm gonna check that out, thanks 
Andrew), or something you built from scratch, is important, and worth 
the processing overhead it imposes. Though maybe not worth 3x 
overhead... ;-)

I learned a lot last night, thank you everyone!

    csnyder



From Cdave77 at netscape.net  Wed Sep 24 08:36:55 2003
From: Cdave77 at netscape.net (Cdave77 at netscape.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 08:36:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] problem with authentication ( apache) 
Message-ID: <18A9991B.4BE64FA0.0015EFA5@netscape.net>

In apache i have created passward file and also placed .htaccess in my folder.still i am not getting any popup window for login and password.

please help !!

Linux Red 8.0
======
this is in my .htaccess file

AuthType Basic
AuthName "By Invitation Only"
AuthUserFile /usr/local/apache/passwd/passwords
Require user testuser

====
already have file called passwords in /usr/local/apache/passwd with testuser in it .

another question , what should i keep as my folder's Permission .is 755 okay ?

Thanks


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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Wed Sep 24 08:44:00 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 08:44:00 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] unziping files throug php
In-Reply-To: <20030924033136.13685.qmail@web11608.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030924033136.13685.qmail@web11608.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030924124400.GA17448@panix.com>

Howdy:

On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 08:31:36PM -0700, Alexander Chan wrote:
> 
> uploaded zip file and and uncompress it.

Might want to check out the PECL/PEAR zip package
http://pecl.php.net/package/zip
http://pear.php.net/package/zip

>From my vaguely paying attention to development discussions, I suspect the 
PECL one is the one to use.

Also, there's the Zip File Functions:
http://us4.php.net/zip

Enjoy,

--Dan

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From dan at mx2pro.com  Wed Sep 24 08:55:15 2003
From: dan at mx2pro.com (Dan Horning)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 08:55:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] problem with authentication ( apache) 
In-Reply-To: <18A9991B.4BE64FA0.0015EFA5@netscape.net>
Message-ID: <000201c3829b$1b54cd30$e4c8f63f@dwchome>

The best way to do this .... Email dan h if you have questions

For this example, we will show how to password protect a directory with
a specific login and password. You can apply this procedure to virtual
sites also by changing the directories. 
   a.   Telnet in, and login as the User or admin or root
   b.   Navigate to the directory you want to password protect.
   c.   Create the .htaccess file in the directory (example: pico
.htaccess), it should contain the following lines:
      # Access file 
      
		order allow,deny
		allow from all
		require valid-user
		Authname "Administrative area"
		Authtype Basic
		AuthUserFile /DirectoryName/.htpasswd

	Replace "DirectoryName" with the appropriate path
	

Now you must create the .htpasswd file using the htpasswd tool. 
   a.	Type the following command to create the file and add a user: 
   b.   /usr/bin/htpasswd -c .htpasswd username 
   c.   You will be prompted for the users' password twice.  If you need
to add additional users to the file, use the command above without the
-c. 

Tutorial taken from email by John D. Gorena
[Support at JMG-Enterprises.com]

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org 
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of 
> Cdave77 at netscape.net
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 8:37 AM
> To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] problem with authentication ( apache) 
> 
> 
> In apache i have created passward file and also placed 
> .htaccess in my folder.still i am not getting any popup 
> window for login and password.
> 
> please help !!
> 
> Linux Red 8.0
> ======
> this is in my .htaccess file
> 
> AuthType Basic
> AuthName "By Invitation Only"
> AuthUserFile /usr/local/apache/passwd/passwords
> Require user testuser
> 
> ====
> already have file called passwords in 
> /usr/local/apache/passwd with testuser in it .
> 
> another question , what should i keep as my folder's 
> Permission .is 755 okay ?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
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From dmintz at panix.com  Wed Sep 24 09:58:39 2003
From: dmintz at panix.com (David Mintz)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:58:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Yesterday's Meeting. Templates etc
In-Reply-To: <000001c38249$35b195c0$6401a8c0@main>
References: <000001c38249$35b195c0$6401a8c0@main>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0309240920520.19372@panix5.panix.com>

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Nasir Zubair wrote:

> Officially, my stance on the templating engine is not a solid one. I
> recently setup smarty for a client, a painful process to setup with no root
> access, but it worked out quite well.

I've set up Smarty as non-root more often than not, and it wasn't painful.
What was the problem?

Last night's discussion was fascinating. All the presentations were
compelling. ?Viva NYPHP!

I'd like to have another look at the examples if I could. (I want
to look at that function that converted values in bytes to human-friendly
strings )

That Zend IDE thing has me breathing heavy too. I think I'm gonna bite.
Question:  as it really platform independent? In other words, say I buy a
copy, run it on Windoze machine, then remove Windoze and install Linux in
its place. Would I be able to re-install my Zend Studio? Yes I was paying
attention when Daniel said it's written in Java, but still one wonders if
there are any platform-specific gotchas.

---
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Email: See http://dmintzweb.com/whitelist.php first!

"Y d?le p'abajo"

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From hans at nyphp.org  Wed Sep 24 10:24:35 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:24:35 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [Fwd: Open Enterprise Trends_September 15, 2003]
Message-ID: <3F71A923.3030202@nyphp.org>


Hi all,

Nice to see PHP taking hold in such a context so I thought to pass it on.



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Fwd: Open Enterprise Trends_September 15, 2003]
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:30:01 -0400
To: Hans Zaunere <hans at nyu.edu>


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From nyphp at websapp.com  Wed Sep 24 10:47:50 2003
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:47:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Yesterday's Meeting. Templates etc
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0309240920520.19372@panix5.panix.com>
Message-ID: <KHEIIHMNNIFIGCMGGFDJKECLLBAA.nyphp@websapp.com>

 
> That Zend IDE thing has me breathing heavy too. I think I'm gonna bite.
> Question:  as it really platform independent? In other words, say I buy a
> copy, run it on Windoze machine, then remove Windoze and install Linux in
> its place. Would I be able to re-install my Zend Studio? Yes I was paying
> attention when Daniel said it's written in Java, but still one wonders if
> there are any platform-specific gotchas.
> 

When you purchase the ZDE, you can download the following binaries.

Zend Studio 3.0.0 Client
========================
Linux glibc2.1
Windows NT4/2000/XP
Mac OS X 

Zend Studio 3.0.0 Server
======================== 
Linux glibc2.1 
Solaris Sparc 
FreeBSD 4.0
Windows NT4/2000/XP 
Mac OS X 



From dmintz at panix.com  Wed Sep 24 11:10:26 2003
From: dmintz at panix.com (David Mintz)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:10:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Yesterday's Meeting. Templates etc
In-Reply-To: <KHEIIHMNNIFIGCMGGFDJKECLLBAA.nyphp@websapp.com>
References: <KHEIIHMNNIFIGCMGGFDJKECLLBAA.nyphp@websapp.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0309241108500.19372@panix5.panix.com>

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Daniel Kushner wrote:

> When you purchase the ZDE, you can download the following binaries.

All of them, or just one? Sorry if I'm being dense.

>
> Zend Studio 3.0.0 Client
> ========================
> Linux glibc2.1
> Windows NT4/2000/XP
> Mac OS X
>
> Zend Studio 3.0.0 Server
> ========================
> Linux glibc2.1
> Solaris Sparc
> FreeBSD 4.0
> Windows NT4/2000/XP
> Mac OS X



From nyphp at websapp.com  Wed Sep 24 11:17:15 2003
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:17:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Yesterday's Meeting. Templates etc
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0309241108500.19372@panix5.panix.com>
Message-ID: <KHEIIHMNNIFIGCMGGFDJKECMLBAA.nyphp@websapp.com>

You can download all of them. Once you install your product, it registers
your license key as used. If you want to install the client on another
machine, you will need to request from Zend to cancel your key and issue you
a new one.

--Daniel


> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of David Mintz
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:10 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Yesterday's Meeting. Templates etc
>
>
> On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Daniel Kushner wrote:
>
> > When you purchase the ZDE, you can download the following binaries.
>
> All of them, or just one? Sorry if I'm being dense.
>
> >
> > Zend Studio 3.0.0 Client
> > ========================
> > Linux glibc2.1
> > Windows NT4/2000/XP
> > Mac OS X
> >
> > Zend Studio 3.0.0 Server
> > ========================
> > Linux glibc2.1
> > Solaris Sparc
> > FreeBSD 4.0
> > Windows NT4/2000/XP
> > Mac OS X
>
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From soazine at erols.com  Wed Sep 24 11:19:21 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:19:21 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Shot in the dark: anyone here know JSP really well?
Message-ID: <104701c382af$3ae9e2c0$67a76244@philofsoa>

I'm having trouble with using BSF-generated tags in JSP, and I can't find anyone that knows what BSF is.  Can someone here may help?

Thanx
Phil
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From dmintz at panix.com  Wed Sep 24 11:23:06 2003
From: dmintz at panix.com (David Mintz)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:23:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Yesterday's Meeting. Templates etc
In-Reply-To: <KHEIIHMNNIFIGCMGGFDJKECMLBAA.nyphp@websapp.com>
References: <KHEIIHMNNIFIGCMGGFDJKECMLBAA.nyphp@websapp.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0309241120340.3871@panix5.panix.com>

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Daniel Kushner wrote:

> You can download all of them. Once you install your product, it registers
> your license key as used. If you want to install the client on another
> machine, you will need to request from Zend to cancel your key and issue you
> a new one.

Does it run out onto the network and check your license every time it
launches? What if you wanted to run it on a machine that for some reason
was not connected to the Internet, e.g, suppose your ISP was down? Would
it refuse to run?

TIA

	David


From nyphp at websapp.com  Wed Sep 24 11:28:07 2003
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:28:07 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Yesterday's Meeting. Templates etc
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0309241120340.3871@panix5.panix.com>
Message-ID: <KHEIIHMNNIFIGCMGGFDJOECNLBAA.nyphp@websapp.com>

David,

I am not really sure how Zend do their license validations. You should
contact them at contact at zend.com, sales at zend.com, ide at zend.com.

Best,
Daniel



> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of David Mintz
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:23 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Yesterday's Meeting. Templates etc
>
>
> On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Daniel Kushner wrote:
>
> > You can download all of them. Once you install your product, it
> registers
> > your license key as used. If you want to install the client on another
> > machine, you will need to request from Zend to cancel your key
> and issue you
> > a new one.
>
> Does it run out onto the network and check your license every time it
> launches? What if you wanted to run it on a machine that for some reason
> was not connected to the Internet, e.g, suppose your ISP was down? Would
> it refuse to run?
>
> TIA
>
> 	David
> _______________________________________________
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From andrew at digitalpulp.com  Wed Sep 24 11:21:54 2003
From: andrew at digitalpulp.com (Andrew Yochum)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:21:54 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHPTAL - PHP Template Attribute Language
Message-ID: <20030924152146.GU8912@thighmaster.digitalpulp.com>

Hey Crew,

As promised, here is the link to PHPTAL, the PHP implementation of Zope's Page
Templates (ZPT):
    http://phptal.sourceforge.net/

The best place to get started is of course the documentation which seems to be
very good:
    http://phptal.sourceforge.net/bagpack/HTML_Template_PHPTAL/doc/

I'd be glad to put together a short presentation (along the lines of what was
done last night) for a future meeting if there is interest.  Like I mentioned
last night, I'm very familiar with the original TAL implementation in Zope, but
not at all with the PHP implmentation, as it was nascent when I had first found
it.  So, a presentation would give me a good excuse to get to know PHPTAL.

Andrew

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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Wed Sep 24 11:43:29 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:43:29 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Shot in the dark: anyone here know JSP really well?
In-Reply-To: <104701c382af$3ae9e2c0$67a76244@philofsoa>
References: <104701c382af$3ae9e2c0$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <20030924154329.GA9680@panix.com>

Hi Phil:

On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 11:19:21AM -0400, Phil Powell wrote:

> I'm having trouble with using BSF-generated tags in JSP, and I can't 
> find anyone that knows what BSF is.  Can someone here may help?

In the future, please 1) stick to PHP, 2) make a concerted attempt to 
find an answer on your own (see below) and 3) provide a pointed question 
that demonstrates what you're trying to do and what you've tried.

Go to one or both of the following:
http://www.google.com/
http://groups.google.com/

Enter the search terms: "bsf generated tags jsp"

--Dan

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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Wed Sep 24 08:49:43 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 08:49:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Shot in the dark: anyone here know JSP really well?
References: <104701c382af$3ae9e2c0$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <001901c3829a$542b6390$8119fea9@thinkpad>

BSF is a generic scripting framework, but you need to say what scripting language you are using underneath ... (i dont think you can use PHP but i could be wrong) ...

http://jakarta.apache.org/bsf/

The Alicebot Program D uses BSF for executing Javascript between <javascript> tags.

- jon
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Phil Powell 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:19 AM
  Subject: [nycphp-talk] Shot in the dark: anyone here know JSP really well?


  I'm having trouble with using BSF-generated tags in JSP, and I can't find anyone that knows what BSF is.  Can someone here may help?

  Thanx
  Phil


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From soazine at erols.com  Wed Sep 24 11:47:51 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:47:51 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Shot in the dark: anyone here know JSP really well?
References: <104701c382af$3ae9e2c0$67a76244@philofsoa>
	<20030924154329.GA9680@panix.com>
Message-ID: <10ac01c382b3$364738e0$67a76244@philofsoa>

Thanx Dan.  I'll remember in the future to do just that even though I've
been trying for weeks on every single posting on java.sun.com, java USENET
newsgroups, NovaJUG Yahoogroups posting, CF postings, countless Google
searchings on URLs and newsgroups for answers.

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Analysis & Solutions" <danielc at analysisandsolutions.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Shot in the dark: anyone here know JSP really
well?


> Hi Phil:
>
> On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 11:19:21AM -0400, Phil Powell wrote:
>
> > I'm having trouble with using BSF-generated tags in JSP, and I can't
> > find anyone that knows what BSF is.  Can someone here may help?
>
> In the future, please 1) stick to PHP, 2) make a concerted attempt to
> find an answer on your own (see below) and 3) provide a pointed question
> that demonstrates what you're trying to do and what you've tried.
>
> Go to one or both of the following:
> http://www.google.com/
> http://groups.google.com/
>
> Enter the search terms: "bsf generated tags jsp"
>
> --Dan
>
> -- 
>      FREE scripts that make web and database programming easier
>            http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/software/
>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
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From soazine at erols.com  Wed Sep 24 11:49:46 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:49:46 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Shot in the dark: anyone here know JSP really well?
References: <104701c382af$3ae9e2c0$67a76244@philofsoa>
	<001901c3829a$542b6390$8119fea9@thinkpad>
Message-ID: <10bf01c382b3$7af9bd50$67a76244@philofsoa>

Thanx, actually I have already gone to jakarta.apache.org/bsf and downloaded the appropriate TLD and JAR files, installed, rebooted and tried using JRun, to no avail, I get NoClassDefFoundError on BSFManager() anytime I try using <bsf:expression> or <bsf:scriptlet>

I thought that (for Dan's sake considering his PHP puritanical viewpointing) there might be some PHP programmers who can cross-program also in JSP and have run into any problems involving BSF.

Happy now Dan?

Phil
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jon baer 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 8:49 AM
  Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Shot in the dark: anyone here know JSP really well?


  BSF is a generic scripting framework, but you need to say what scripting language you are using underneath ... (i dont think you can use PHP but i could be wrong) ...

  http://jakarta.apache.org/bsf/

  The Alicebot Program D uses BSF for executing Javascript between <javascript> tags.

  - jon
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Phil Powell 
    To: NYPHP Talk 
    Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:19 AM
    Subject: [nycphp-talk] Shot in the dark: anyone here know JSP really well?


    I'm having trouble with using BSF-generated tags in JSP, and I can't find anyone that knows what BSF is.  Can someone here may help?

    Thanx
    Phil


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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Wed Sep 24 09:06:41 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:06:41 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Shot in the dark: anyone here know JSP really well?
References: <104701c382af$3ae9e2c0$67a76244@philofsoa><001901c3829a$542b6390$8119fea9@thinkpad>
	<10bf01c382b3$7af9bd50$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <006201c3829c$b2984ae0$8119fea9@thinkpad>

Well sounds more like a CLASSPATH problem then a BSF issue (a normal common problem when you try to attempt something "that should" work with all containers instead of what they were originally made for (Tomcat)) - thus another example of a common Java problem + why PHP is less of a hassle.  From what I remember on older versions JRun has an extensive management console that manage your .jars ... likewise you did not say which scripting language you are using underneath, for example if I use javascript w/ BSF I need to make sure js.jar is linked, etc.  

This would be your problem if BSFManager() can't find the required libs for the scripting language.  (likewise just guessing)

- Jon

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Phil Powell 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:49 AM
  Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Shot in the dark: anyone here know JSP really well?


  Thanx, actually I have already gone to jakarta.apache.org/bsf and downloaded the appropriate TLD and JAR files, installed, rebooted and tried using JRun, to no avail, I get NoClassDefFoundError on BSFManager() anytime I try using <bsf:expression> or <bsf:scriptlet>

  I thought that (for Dan's sake considering his PHP puritanical viewpointing) there might be some PHP programmers who can cross-program also in JSP and have run into any problems involving BSF.

  Happy now Dan?

  Phil
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: jon baer 
    To: NYPHP Talk 
    Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 8:49 AM
    Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Shot in the dark: anyone here know JSP really well?


    BSF is a generic scripting framework, but you need to say what scripting language you are using underneath ... (i dont think you can use PHP but i could be wrong) ...

    http://jakarta.apache.org/bsf/

    The Alicebot Program D uses BSF for executing Javascript between <javascript> tags.

    - jon
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Phil Powell 
      To: NYPHP Talk 
      Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:19 AM
      Subject: [nycphp-talk] Shot in the dark: anyone here know JSP really well?


      I'm having trouble with using BSF-generated tags in JSP, and I can't find anyone that knows what BSF is.  Can someone here may help?

      Thanx
      Phil


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From soazine at erols.com  Wed Sep 24 12:08:16 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:08:16 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Shot in the dark: anyone here know JSP really well?
References: <104701c382af$3ae9e2c0$67a76244@philofsoa><001901c3829a$542b6390$8119fea9@thinkpad><10bf01c382b3$7af9bd50$67a76244@philofsoa>
	<006201c3829c$b2984ae0$8119fea9@thinkpad>
Message-ID: <110801c382b6$10d15980$67a76244@philofsoa>

I would ultimately like to use PHP underneath but that would require some custom JAR files to do that, that would be a trip.. for now I've tried both Javascript and TCL, I have both JAR files installed already.  What would I need to do in CLASSPATH to ensure working order; I put the path to the JAR files in CLASSPATH, what else would you recommend?

Thanx
Phil
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jon baer 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:06 AM
  Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Shot in the dark: anyone here know JSP really well?


  Well sounds more like a CLASSPATH problem then a BSF issue (a normal common problem when you try to attempt something "that should" work with all containers instead of what they were originally made for (Tomcat)) - thus another example of a common Java problem + why PHP is less of a hassle.  From what I remember on older versions JRun has an extensive management console that manage your .jars ... likewise you did not say which scripting language you are using underneath, for example if I use javascript w/ BSF I need to make sure js.jar is linked, etc.  

  This would be your problem if BSFManager() can't find the required libs for the scripting language.  (likewise just guessing)

  - Jon

  ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Phil Powell 
    To: NYPHP Talk 
    Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:49 AM
    Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Shot in the dark: anyone here know JSP really well?


    Thanx, actually I have already gone to jakarta.apache.org/bsf and downloaded the appropriate TLD and JAR files, installed, rebooted and tried using JRun, to no avail, I get NoClassDefFoundError on BSFManager() anytime I try using <bsf:expression> or <bsf:scriptlet>

    I thought that (for Dan's sake considering his PHP puritanical viewpointing) there might be some PHP programmers who can cross-program also in JSP and have run into any problems involving BSF.

    Happy now Dan?

    Phil
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: jon baer 
      To: NYPHP Talk 
      Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 8:49 AM
      Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Shot in the dark: anyone here know JSP really well?


      BSF is a generic scripting framework, but you need to say what scripting language you are using underneath ... (i dont think you can use PHP but i could be wrong) ...

      http://jakarta.apache.org/bsf/

      The Alicebot Program D uses BSF for executing Javascript between <javascript> tags.

      - jon
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Phil Powell 
        To: NYPHP Talk 
        Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:19 AM
        Subject: [nycphp-talk] Shot in the dark: anyone here know JSP really well?


        I'm having trouble with using BSF-generated tags in JSP, and I can't find anyone that knows what BSF is.  Can someone here may help?

        Thanx
        Phil


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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Wed Sep 24 09:26:30 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:26:30 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Global error handling ...
Message-ID: <006801c3829f$776b5680$8119fea9@thinkpad>

i missed a great meeting *again* last night and one of the questions i
wanted to ask what in regards to having a global error handler for your
website.

for example i really wanted to provide much more helpful info on items that
can occur with mysql for a project (cant connect, misconfiguration,
non-installed tables, etc) ...

but i noticed that (could be my config) that mysql_select_db will not pass
error to any handlers (using set_error_handler).  i ended up giving up and
writing a bunch of tests inside install.php instead.  but i thought there
was a way to pass mysql_error() to your page handlers + if it was ok/smart
to autoinclude both set_error_handler + the handler for all of the app.

was really looking for/asking about this in the site layout discussion.

- jon

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From adam at trachtenberg.com  Wed Sep 24 12:23:07 2003
From: adam at trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:23:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Shot in the dark: anyone here know JSP really well?
In-Reply-To: <10bf01c382b3$7af9bd50$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309241206380.20758-100000@miranda.org>

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Phil Powell wrote:

> I thought that (for Dan's sake considering his PHP puritanical
> viewpointing) there might be some PHP programmers who can
> cross-program also in JSP and have run into any problems involving
> BSF.

> Happy now Dan?

Aw man... This is the NYPHP mailing list. Is it too much to ask that
people's posts be on at least one, if not both, of NY or PHP?

I know it's tempting to use this list as a general all-purpose Web
programming resource because a lot of people on the list know how to
solve problems with JSP, BSF, ASP, Tcl, etc. But please don't.

This is for PHP. (Or, as I said before, New York.) If you need the
name of a good list for non-PHP Web development questions, I suggest
webdesign-l. (http://www.webdesign-l.com) It covers more than just
questions about HTML and lots of people are happy to answer (and read
the answers to) programming questions of all kinds. I know; I've been
on that list for about 5-6 years now.

I'm not saying questions on SQL and Web hosting are bad. They're okay
because they're closely related to PHP. But BSF? No way.

But enough from me.

-adam

PS: Please note that I am not the management; merely a concerned customer.

-- 
adam at trachtenberg.com
author of o'reilly's php cookbook
avoid the holiday rush, buy your copy today!



From jlacey at ix.netcom.com  Wed Sep 24 12:27:07 2003
From: jlacey at ix.netcom.com (John Lacey)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:27:07 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Shot in the dark: anyone here know JSP really well?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309241206380.20758-100000@miranda.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309241206380.20758-100000@miranda.org>
Message-ID: <3F71C5DB.4020908@ix.netcom.com>


hear, hear,... even tho I'm from Colorado  :(

does being born and raised in Philly help -- and business trips to the City?

:)

Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg wrote:

>On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Phil Powell wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I thought that (for Dan's sake considering his PHP puritanical
>>viewpointing) there might be some PHP programmers who can
>>cross-program also in JSP and have run into any problems involving
>>BSF.
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>Happy now Dan?
>>    
>>
>
>Aw man... This is the NYPHP mailing list. Is it too much to ask that
>people's posts be on at least one, if not both, of NY or PHP?
>
>I know it's tempting to use this list as a general all-purpose Web
>programming resource because a lot of people on the list know how to
>solve problems with JSP, BSF, ASP, Tcl, etc. But please don't.
>
>This is for PHP. (Or, as I said before, New York.) If you need the
>name of a good list for non-PHP Web development questions, I suggest
>webdesign-l. (http://www.webdesign-l.com) It covers more than just
>questions about HTML and lots of people are happy to answer (and read
>the answers to) programming questions of all kinds. I know; I've been
>on that list for about 5-6 years now.
>
>I'm not saying questions on SQL and Web hosting are bad. They're okay
>because they're closely related to PHP. But BSF? No way.
>
>But enough from me.
>
>-adam
>
>PS: Please note that I am not the management; merely a concerned customer.
>
>  
>
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From soazine at erols.com  Wed Sep 24 12:30:51 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:30:51 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Shot in the dark: anyone here know JSP really well?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309241206380.20758-100000@miranda.org>
Message-ID: <115201c382b9$38124d30$67a76244@philofsoa>

Ok maybe I have asked too many questions here I am afraid.  I guess I should
just dart out of here.  I've been in NY enough and normally I post a lot of
PHP questions, and ultimately if I could get BSF to work I'd like to find
some custom JARS that would allow PHP within JSP.

Phil
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg" <adam at trachtenberg.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Shot in the dark: anyone here know JSP really
well?


> On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Phil Powell wrote:
>
> > I thought that (for Dan's sake considering his PHP puritanical
> > viewpointing) there might be some PHP programmers who can
> > cross-program also in JSP and have run into any problems involving
> > BSF.
>
> > Happy now Dan?
>
> Aw man... This is the NYPHP mailing list. Is it too much to ask that
> people's posts be on at least one, if not both, of NY or PHP?
>
> I know it's tempting to use this list as a general all-purpose Web
> programming resource because a lot of people on the list know how to
> solve problems with JSP, BSF, ASP, Tcl, etc. But please don't.
>
> This is for PHP. (Or, as I said before, New York.) If you need the
> name of a good list for non-PHP Web development questions, I suggest
> webdesign-l. (http://www.webdesign-l.com) It covers more than just
> questions about HTML and lots of people are happy to answer (and read
> the answers to) programming questions of all kinds. I know; I've been
> on that list for about 5-6 years now.
>
> I'm not saying questions on SQL and Web hosting are bad. They're okay
> because they're closely related to PHP. But BSF? No way.
>
> But enough from me.
>
> -adam
>
> PS: Please note that I am not the management; merely a concerned customer.
>
> -- 
> adam at trachtenberg.com
> author of o'reilly's php cookbook
> avoid the holiday rush, buy your copy today!
>
> _______________________________________________
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From dmintz at panix.com  Wed Sep 24 12:36:47 2003
From: dmintz at panix.com (David Mintz)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:36:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend 3.0 (was  Yesterday's Meeting. Templates etc)
In-Reply-To: <KHEIIHMNNIFIGCMGGFDJOECNLBAA.nyphp@websapp.com>
References: <KHEIIHMNNIFIGCMGGFDJOECNLBAA.nyphp@websapp.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0309241220060.9775@panix5.panix.com>

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Daniel Kushner wrote:

> David,
>
> I am not really sure how Zend do their license validations. You should
> contact them at contact at zend.com, sales at zend.com, ide at zend.com.

A reasonable suggestion. Quite honestly, I'd like to install it on two
boxes, one Red Hat 9.x, one Win2K, and I'd like to do it legally, and I'd
like to do it inexpensively. <whine>I know it's a fair price, but OTOH I
am not making real cash at this full time, we're talking less than
$5000/year as a sideline</whine>.

Theoretically, could one put it on the Linux machine and run Zend Studio
remotely over an SSH tunnel from the Windoze box? I haven't yet
experimented with running full-blown Linux GUI applications remotely in
this fashion.


btw I've already had a little adventure with the Zend Studio eval copy I
just installed. It overwrote php.ini with its own and when I restarted
Apache, she gave me about a dozen error popups "the procedure entry point
_safe_emalloc could not be located in the dynamic library php4ts.dll" and
"unable to load dynamic library C:\Zend\lib\php_ext\php_xxx.dll". So I
restored my original php.ini and that seems to have resolved everything.

	David


From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Wed Sep 24 09:45:23 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:45:23 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Shot in the dark: anyone here know JSP really well?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309241206380.20758-100000@miranda.org>
	<115201c382b9$38124d30$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <010c01c382a2$1a7d06a0$8119fea9@thinkpad>

id think having a scripting language inside of a scripting language inside
of a scripting language inside of a scripting language could be overkill :-)
plus you can already get what you want:

http://www.php.net/java
http://us4.php.net/manual/en/ref.java.php#java.servlet

trust me, the headache of JSP is not worth it.

- jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Powell" <soazine at erols.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Shot in the dark: anyone here know JSP really
well?


> Ok maybe I have asked too many questions here I am afraid.  I guess I
should
> just dart out of here.  I've been in NY enough and normally I post a lot
of
> PHP questions, and ultimately if I could get BSF to work I'd like to find
> some custom JARS that would allow PHP within JSP.
>



From sklar at sklar.com  Wed Sep 24 12:41:37 2003
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:41:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend 3.0 (was  Yesterday's Meeting. Templates etc)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0309241220060.9775@panix5.panix.com>
Message-ID: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJIEOBGLAA.sklar@sklar.com>

> Theoretically, could one put it on the Linux machine and run Zend
> Studio remotely over an SSH tunnel from the Windoze box? I haven't yet
> experimented with running full-blown Linux GUI applications remotely
> in this fashion.

I did this when evaluating a previous version of Zend Studio and it worked
just fine.

David



From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Wed Sep 24 12:42:38 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:42:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Global error handling ...
In-Reply-To: <006801c3829f$776b5680$8119fea9@thinkpad>
References: <006801c3829f$776b5680$8119fea9@thinkpad>
Message-ID: <20030924164238.GA12877@panix.com>

Hi Jon:

On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 09:26:30AM -0400, jon baer wrote:
> 
> but i noticed that (could be my config) that mysql_select_db will not pass
> error to any handlers (using set_error_handler).

When some mysql* functions fail, they cause PHP to die.  Finding out
what's going on is doable via $php_errormsg, which requires track_errors
to be on (in php.ini for example).

Here are some snippets from my SQL Solution class:

    //  Connect to server
    $this->SQLConnection = @mysql_connect($this->SQLHost, $this->SQLUser,
            $this->SQLPassword) or die
            ( $this->KillQuery($FileName, $FileLine, $php_errormsg) );

    //  Select a db
    $this->SQLDbHandle = @mysql_select_db($this->SQLDbName, 
            $this->SQLConnection)
            or die ( $this->KillQuery($FileName, $FileLine,
            'Could not select database. '
            . 'Invalid database name or connection ID.') );


    //  Run a query
    $php_errormsg = '';
    if ( $this->SQLRecordSet = @mysql_query($this->SQLQueryString,
            $this->SQLConnection) ) {

        if ( ! $this->SQLRecordSetFieldCount =
                @mysql_num_fields($this->SQLRecordSet) ) {
            $this->SQLRecordSetFieldCount = 0;
        }

        if ( ! $this->SQLRecordSetRowCount =
                @mysql_num_rows($this->SQLRecordSet) ) {
            $this->SQLRecordSetRowCount = 0;
        }

    } elseif ( $php_errormsg == '' ) {
        # Probably a database error.
        $this->KillQuery( $FileName, $FileLine,
                @mysql_error($this->SQLConnection) );

    } else {
        # Some PHP error.  Probably a bad Connection.  Complain.
        $this->KillQuery($FileName, $FileLine, $php_errormsg);

    }

Enjoy,

--Dan

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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Wed Sep 24 09:50:41 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:50:41 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend 3.0 (was  Yesterday's Meeting. Templates etc)
References: <KHEIIHMNNIFIGCMGGFDJOECNLBAA.nyphp@websapp.com>
	<Pine.NEB.4.58.0309241220060.9775@panix5.panix.com>
Message-ID: <011e01c382a2$d85d1e80$8119fea9@thinkpad>

There is always secure VNC and vmWare :-)

(just fyi, i was someone extremely skeptical @ vmware solutions but having a
dual boot laptop w/ RH/XP i was extremely impressed with this product:
http://www.vmware.com/products/desktop/ws_features.html)

I did run Zend Studio on the Linux virtual IP + the editor on XP, not sure
if that has anything to do with your problem but it was pretty cool.  The
VNC solution is also nice.

- Jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Mintz" <dmintz at panix.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:36 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend 3.0 (was Yesterday's Meeting. Templates etc)


> On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Daniel Kushner wrote:
>
> > David,
> >
> > I am not really sure how Zend do their license validations. You should
> > contact them at contact at zend.com, sales at zend.com, ide at zend.com.
>
> A reasonable suggestion. Quite honestly, I'd like to install it on two
> boxes, one Red Hat 9.x, one Win2K, and I'd like to do it legally, and I'd
> like to do it inexpensively. <whine>I know it's a fair price, but OTOH I
> am not making real cash at this full time, we're talking less than
> $5000/year as a sideline</whine>.
>
> Theoretically, could one put it on the Linux machine and run Zend Studio
> remotely over an SSH tunnel from the Windoze box? I haven't yet
> experimented with running full-blown Linux GUI applications remotely in
> this fashion.
>
>
> btw I've already had a little adventure with the Zend Studio eval copy I
> just installed. It overwrote php.ini with its own and when I restarted
> Apache, she gave me about a dozen error popups "the procedure entry point
> _safe_emalloc could not be located in the dynamic library php4ts.dll" and
> "unable to load dynamic library C:\Zend\lib\php_ext\php_xxx.dll". So I
> restored my original php.ini and that seems to have resolved everything.
>
> David
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>



From mwithington at PLMresearch.com  Wed Sep 24 12:56:55 2003
From: mwithington at PLMresearch.com (Mark Withington)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:56:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend 3.0 (was  Yesterday's Meeting. Templates et c)
Message-ID: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE3587CF12A@network.PLMresearch.com>

I'm running the ZDE 3.0.  Pretty kewl, however, the GUI slooooowwwws way
down (ZDE 2.6 had no problem).  Currently working with Zend tech support to
figure out why.  One suggestion they've offered is to upgrade to the JRE
1.4.2 (I've got 1.4.1).  Have not gone this far yet as it appears to be a
reasonable PITB to upgrade the JRE.  Just an FYI/data point for everyone.

--------------------------
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PLMresearch
"eBusiness for the Midsize Enterprise"
PO Box 1354
Plymouth, MA  02362
o: 800-310-3992
f: 508-746-4973
v: 508-746-2383
m: 508-801-0181
http://www.PLMresearch.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of jon baer
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:51 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Zend 3.0 (was Yesterday's Meeting. Templates
etc)


There is always secure VNC and vmWare :-)

(just fyi, i was someone extremely skeptical @ vmware solutions but having a
dual boot laptop w/ RH/XP i was extremely impressed with this product:
http://www.vmware.com/products/desktop/ws_features.html)

I did run Zend Studio on the Linux virtual IP + the editor on XP, not sure
if that has anything to do with your problem but it was pretty cool.  The
VNC solution is also nice.

- Jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Mintz" <dmintz at panix.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:36 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend 3.0 (was Yesterday's Meeting. Templates etc)


> On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Daniel Kushner wrote:
>
> > David,
> >
> > I am not really sure how Zend do their license validations. You should
> > contact them at contact at zend.com, sales at zend.com, ide at zend.com.
>
> A reasonable suggestion. Quite honestly, I'd like to install it on two
> boxes, one Red Hat 9.x, one Win2K, and I'd like to do it legally, and I'd
> like to do it inexpensively. <whine>I know it's a fair price, but OTOH I
> am not making real cash at this full time, we're talking less than
> $5000/year as a sideline</whine>.
>
> Theoretically, could one put it on the Linux machine and run Zend Studio
> remotely over an SSH tunnel from the Windoze box? I haven't yet
> experimented with running full-blown Linux GUI applications remotely in
> this fashion.
>
>
> btw I've already had a little adventure with the Zend Studio eval copy I
> just installed. It overwrote php.ini with its own and when I restarted
> Apache, she gave me about a dozen error popups "the procedure entry point
> _safe_emalloc could not be located in the dynamic library php4ts.dll" and
> "unable to load dynamic library C:\Zend\lib\php_ext\php_xxx.dll". So I
> restored my original php.ini and that seems to have resolved everything.
>
> David
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>

_______________________________________________
talk mailing list
talk at lists.nyphp.org
http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Wed Sep 24 13:33:34 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:33:34 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [Fwd: Open Enterprise Trends_September 15, 2003]
In-Reply-To: <3F71A923.3030202@nyphp.org>
References: <3F71A923.3030202@nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030924173334.GA18935@panix.com>

Hi Folks:

On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 10:24:35AM -0400, Hans Zaunere wrote:
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [Fwd: Open Enterprise Trends_September 15, 2003]
> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:30:01 -0400
> To: Hans Zaunere <hans at nyu.edu>
>
> ... snip ...
> 
> Hands On: Inside the Tricky PHP-to-XML Project
> ---------------------------------------------------
> PHP-to-XML projects can be either relatively straightforward or complex. 
> And now, as PHP becomes a familiar scripting environment for 
> programmers working with and supporting XML, questions about the
> interoperability of both languages abound.  This week, OET looks at the 
> growing list of questions surrounding PHP-with-XML
> projects, and, more importantly, offers developers some answers.
> [FULL STORY] http://www.oetrends.com/news.php?action=view_record&idnum=250

I'm happy to say I'm one of the keynote interviewees in that article.

A moment ago, the Editor fulfiled my request for a couple minor tweaks to
improve the accuracy of the third paragraph.  So, if you've already read 
it, you might want to check back.

Enjoy,

--Dan

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From shiflett at php.net  Wed Sep 24 13:49:06 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:49:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Shot in the dark: anyone here know JSP really well?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309241206380.20758-100000@miranda.org>
Message-ID: <20030924174906.85390.qmail@web14306.mail.yahoo.com>

Phil,

You should really read this entire document before asking another question
anywhere:

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

It will likely save you a lot of grief.

Chris

=====
Become a better Web developer with the HTTP Developer's Handbook
http://httphandbook.org/


From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Wed Sep 24 13:55:59 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff Siegel)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:55:59 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend 3.0 (was  Yesterday's Meeting. Templates et c)
In-Reply-To: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE3587CF12A@network.PLMresearch.com>
Message-ID: <004401c382c5$25606b70$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Just had the very same problem on WinXP. Installed latest DirectX
drivers and it works like a charm!

Jeff Siegel

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Mark Withington
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:57 AM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Zend 3.0 (was Yesterday's Meeting. Templates
et c)


I'm running the ZDE 3.0.  Pretty kewl, however, the GUI slooooowwwws way
down (ZDE 2.6 had no problem).  Currently working with Zend tech support
to
figure out why.  One suggestion they've offered is to upgrade to the JRE
1.4.2 (I've got 1.4.1).  Have not gone this far yet as it appears to be
a
reasonable PITB to upgrade the JRE.  Just an FYI/data point for
everyone.

--------------------------
Mark L. Withington
PLMresearch
"eBusiness for the Midsize Enterprise"
PO Box 1354
Plymouth, MA  02362
o: 800-310-3992
f: 508-746-4973
v: 508-746-2383
m: 508-801-0181
http://www.PLMresearch.com
Netscape/AOL/MSN IM: PLMresearch
mwithington at plmresearch.com
Public Key: http://www.PLMresearch.com/html/MLW_public_key.asc
Calendar: http://www.plmresearch.com/calendar.php


-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of jon baer
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:51 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Zend 3.0 (was Yesterday's Meeting. Templates
etc)


There is always secure VNC and vmWare :-)

(just fyi, i was someone extremely skeptical @ vmware solutions but
having a
dual boot laptop w/ RH/XP i was extremely impressed with this product:
http://www.vmware.com/products/desktop/ws_features.html)

I did run Zend Studio on the Linux virtual IP + the editor on XP, not
sure
if that has anything to do with your problem but it was pretty cool.
The
VNC solution is also nice.

- Jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Mintz" <dmintz at panix.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:36 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend 3.0 (was Yesterday's Meeting. Templates etc)


> On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Daniel Kushner wrote:
>
> > David,
> >
> > I am not really sure how Zend do their license validations. You
should
> > contact them at contact at zend.com, sales at zend.com, ide at zend.com.
>
> A reasonable suggestion. Quite honestly, I'd like to install it on two
> boxes, one Red Hat 9.x, one Win2K, and I'd like to do it legally, and
I'd
> like to do it inexpensively. <whine>I know it's a fair price, but OTOH
I
> am not making real cash at this full time, we're talking less than
> $5000/year as a sideline</whine>.
>
> Theoretically, could one put it on the Linux machine and run Zend
Studio
> remotely over an SSH tunnel from the Windoze box? I haven't yet
> experimented with running full-blown Linux GUI applications remotely
in
> this fashion.
>
>
> btw I've already had a little adventure with the Zend Studio eval copy
I
> just installed. It overwrote php.ini with its own and when I restarted
> Apache, she gave me about a dozen error popups "the procedure entry
point
> _safe_emalloc could not be located in the dynamic library php4ts.dll"
and
> "unable to load dynamic library C:\Zend\lib\php_ext\php_xxx.dll". So I
> restored my original php.ini and that seems to have resolved
everything.
>
> David
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>

_______________________________________________
talk mailing list
talk at lists.nyphp.org
http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
_______________________________________________
talk mailing list
talk at lists.nyphp.org
http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Wed Sep 24 14:13:26 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:13:26 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend 3.0 (was  Yesterday's Meeting. Templates etc)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0309241220060.9775@panix5.panix.com>
References: <KHEIIHMNNIFIGCMGGFDJOECNLBAA.nyphp@websapp.com>
	<Pine.NEB.4.58.0309241220060.9775@panix5.panix.com>
Message-ID: <20030924181326.GA21483@panix.com>

Hey Folks:

I gave a the IDE sample a shot.  I wrote a quick outline of my painful 
experience which I may turn into a letter to Zeev.  Here's the short of 
it...

I found the Zend site torturous (JavaScript requirements, tons of cookies,
broken advanced search).

I found a couple major drawbacks with the IDE which will keep me from
purchasing it at this time.  It frequently sets a background color of it's
own but uses Window's font color, producing windows that are difficult to
read, if not impossible.  The GUI has no means of debugging or profiling
command line scripts.

Enjoy,

--Dan

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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Wed Sep 24 14:24:20 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff Siegel)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:24:20 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend 3.0 (was  Yesterday's Meeting. Templates et c)
In-Reply-To: <004401c382c5$25606b70$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <000001c382c9$2d8627f0$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Looks like I spoke to soon. After installing the driver update...gui
worked fine...shutting it down however.....

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Jeff Siegel
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:56 PM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Zend 3.0 (was Yesterday's Meeting. Templates
et c)


Just had the very same problem on WinXP. Installed latest DirectX
drivers and it works like a charm!

Jeff Siegel

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Mark Withington
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:57 AM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Zend 3.0 (was Yesterday's Meeting. Templates
et c)


I'm running the ZDE 3.0.  Pretty kewl, however, the GUI slooooowwwws way
down (ZDE 2.6 had no problem).  Currently working with Zend tech support
to
figure out why.  One suggestion they've offered is to upgrade to the JRE
1.4.2 (I've got 1.4.1).  Have not gone this far yet as it appears to be
a
reasonable PITB to upgrade the JRE.  Just an FYI/data point for
everyone.

--------------------------
Mark L. Withington
PLMresearch
"eBusiness for the Midsize Enterprise"
PO Box 1354
Plymouth, MA  02362
o: 800-310-3992
f: 508-746-4973
v: 508-746-2383
m: 508-801-0181
http://www.PLMresearch.com
Netscape/AOL/MSN IM: PLMresearch
mwithington at plmresearch.com
Public Key: http://www.PLMresearch.com/html/MLW_public_key.asc
Calendar: http://www.plmresearch.com/calendar.php


-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of jon baer
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:51 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Zend 3.0 (was Yesterday's Meeting. Templates
etc)


There is always secure VNC and vmWare :-)

(just fyi, i was someone extremely skeptical @ vmware solutions but
having a
dual boot laptop w/ RH/XP i was extremely impressed with this product:
http://www.vmware.com/products/desktop/ws_features.html)

I did run Zend Studio on the Linux virtual IP + the editor on XP, not
sure
if that has anything to do with your problem but it was pretty cool.
The
VNC solution is also nice.

- Jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Mintz" <dmintz at panix.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:36 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend 3.0 (was Yesterday's Meeting. Templates etc)


> On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Daniel Kushner wrote:
>
> > David,
> >
> > I am not really sure how Zend do their license validations. You
should
> > contact them at contact at zend.com, sales at zend.com, ide at zend.com.
>
> A reasonable suggestion. Quite honestly, I'd like to install it on two
> boxes, one Red Hat 9.x, one Win2K, and I'd like to do it legally, and
I'd
> like to do it inexpensively. <whine>I know it's a fair price, but OTOH
I
> am not making real cash at this full time, we're talking less than
> $5000/year as a sideline</whine>.
>
> Theoretically, could one put it on the Linux machine and run Zend
Studio
> remotely over an SSH tunnel from the Windoze box? I haven't yet
> experimented with running full-blown Linux GUI applications remotely
in
> this fashion.
>
>
> btw I've already had a little adventure with the Zend Studio eval copy
I
> just installed. It overwrote php.ini with its own and when I restarted
> Apache, she gave me about a dozen error popups "the procedure entry
point
> _safe_emalloc could not be located in the dynamic library php4ts.dll"
and
> "unable to load dynamic library C:\Zend\lib\php_ext\php_xxx.dll". So I
> restored my original php.ini and that seems to have resolved
everything.
>
> David
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>

_______________________________________________
talk mailing list
talk at lists.nyphp.org
http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
_______________________________________________
talk mailing list
talk at lists.nyphp.org
http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk

_______________________________________________
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talk at lists.nyphp.org
http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Wed Sep 24 14:37:45 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:37:45 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend 3.0 (was  Yesterday's Meeting. Templates etc)
In-Reply-To: <20030924181326.GA21483@panix.com>
References: <KHEIIHMNNIFIGCMGGFDJOECNLBAA.nyphp@websapp.com>
	<Pine.NEB.4.58.0309241220060.9775@panix5.panix.com>
	<20030924181326.GA21483@panix.com>
Message-ID: <20030924183745.GA27366@panix.com>

Oh yes:

Forgot to mention...  Since I use a snapshot development build of PHP 5,
the system spit out several warning dialog boxes on every HTTP request.

--Dan

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From hans at nyphp.org  Wed Sep 24 15:10:30 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:10:30 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MERGE tables (MySQL) ...
In-Reply-To: <003c01c37eae$dd22cac0$8119fea9@thinkpad>
References: <003c01c37eae$dd22cac0$8119fea9@thinkpad>
Message-ID: <3F71EC26.1060307@nyphp.org>



jon baer wrote:

> has anyone been in the situation to use them yet?

Yeah, but never really found them useful enough to implement it fully in production.

> i need some clarification so i can understand their use a little better
> because id like to arrange an application to use them because it requires
> the need to pull out the data (tables), analyze them + flush the running
> process (much like a logrotate type) ...

I'm not sure what merge tables would buy you in this case, and I'm not sure if all of the functionality you'd need would be available (they have some limitations:  http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/MERGE.html

> do merge tables have any real advantage + could you theoretically merge
> tables securely over IP using these types of tables/files?

AFAIK you can only merge tables locally.  They are primarily used to provide very large, mostly read only/fairly static tables.  But, with newer versions of MySQL, you'd probably want their RAID functionality (http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/CREATE_TABLE.html#IDX1508)

HTH,

H




From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Wed Sep 24 14:28:43 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff Siegel)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:28:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend 3.0 (was  Yesterday's Meeting. Templates etc)
In-Reply-To: <20030924181326.GA21483@panix.com>
Message-ID: <000101c382c9$c5224260$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

But other than that, you liked it? ;)

Jeff

P.S. We're in complete agreement concerning their site. It definitely
needs to be revamped. It's not always obvious where to look for
something and, if you do find something good and don't bookmark it...you
better remember how you found it.


-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Analysis & Solutions
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:13 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Zend 3.0 (was Yesterday's Meeting. Templates
etc)


Hey Folks:

I gave a the IDE sample a shot.  I wrote a quick outline of my painful 
experience which I may turn into a letter to Zeev.  Here's the short of 
it...

I found the Zend site torturous (JavaScript requirements, tons of
cookies,
broken advanced search).

I found a couple major drawbacks with the IDE which will keep me from
purchasing it at this time.  It frequently sets a background color of
it's
own but uses Window's font color, producing windows that are difficult
to
read, if not impossible.  The GUI has no means of debugging or profiling
command line scripts.

Enjoy,

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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Wed Sep 24 15:36:21 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff Siegel)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:36:21 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend 3.0 (was  Yesterday's Meeting. Templates et c)
In-Reply-To: <000001c382c9$2d8627f0$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>
Message-ID: <000901c382d3$2229a210$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Well...turns out that when the video drivers were *also* updated...THEN
the problem really disappeared. 

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Jeff Siegel
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:24 PM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Zend 3.0 (was Yesterday's Meeting. Templates
et c)


Looks like I spoke to soon. After installing the driver update...gui
worked fine...shutting it down however.....

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Jeff Siegel
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:56 PM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Zend 3.0 (was Yesterday's Meeting. Templates
et c)


Just had the very same problem on WinXP. Installed latest DirectX
drivers and it works like a charm!

Jeff Siegel

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Mark Withington
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:57 AM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Zend 3.0 (was Yesterday's Meeting. Templates
et c)


I'm running the ZDE 3.0.  Pretty kewl, however, the GUI slooooowwwws way
down (ZDE 2.6 had no problem).  Currently working with Zend tech support
to
figure out why.  One suggestion they've offered is to upgrade to the JRE
1.4.2 (I've got 1.4.1).  Have not gone this far yet as it appears to be
a
reasonable PITB to upgrade the JRE.  Just an FYI/data point for
everyone.

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-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of jon baer
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:51 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Zend 3.0 (was Yesterday's Meeting. Templates
etc)


There is always secure VNC and vmWare :-)

(just fyi, i was someone extremely skeptical @ vmware solutions but
having a
dual boot laptop w/ RH/XP i was extremely impressed with this product:
http://www.vmware.com/products/desktop/ws_features.html)

I did run Zend Studio on the Linux virtual IP + the editor on XP, not
sure
if that has anything to do with your problem but it was pretty cool.
The
VNC solution is also nice.

- Jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Mintz" <dmintz at panix.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:36 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend 3.0 (was Yesterday's Meeting. Templates etc)


> On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Daniel Kushner wrote:
>
> > David,
> >
> > I am not really sure how Zend do their license validations. You
should
> > contact them at contact at zend.com, sales at zend.com, ide at zend.com.
>
> A reasonable suggestion. Quite honestly, I'd like to install it on two
> boxes, one Red Hat 9.x, one Win2K, and I'd like to do it legally, and
I'd
> like to do it inexpensively. <whine>I know it's a fair price, but OTOH
I
> am not making real cash at this full time, we're talking less than
> $5000/year as a sideline</whine>.
>
> Theoretically, could one put it on the Linux machine and run Zend
Studio
> remotely over an SSH tunnel from the Windoze box? I haven't yet
> experimented with running full-blown Linux GUI applications remotely
in
> this fashion.
>
>
> btw I've already had a little adventure with the Zend Studio eval copy
I
> just installed. It overwrote php.ini with its own and when I restarted
> Apache, she gave me about a dozen error popups "the procedure entry
point
> _safe_emalloc could not be located in the dynamic library php4ts.dll"
and
> "unable to load dynamic library C:\Zend\lib\php_ext\php_xxx.dll". So I
> restored my original php.ini and that seems to have resolved
everything.
>
> David
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From dorgan at optonline.net  Wed Sep 24 22:32:19 2003
From: dorgan at optonline.net (Donald J. Organ IV)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 22:32:19 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] CSV
References: <KHEIIHMNNIFIGCMGGFDJOECNLBAA.nyphp@websapp.com>
	<Pine.NEB.4.58.0309241220060.9775@panix5.panix.com>
	<20030924181326.GA21483@panix.com> <20030924183745.GA27366@panix.com>
Message-ID: <005d01c3830d$3e0a6cf0$c801a8c0@dj>

what would be the best way to go about letting the user insert a csv file
into a mysql database and also letting the user extract certain information
from the server into a csv file.



From dkrook at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 24 22:48:08 2003
From: dkrook at hotmail.com (D C Krook)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 22:48:08 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Debugging phpBB: blank page
Message-ID: <BAY2-F66HLyBPgdbgvn00017edc@hotmail.com>

Hello all,

I'm having some trouble debugging a client's phpBB system.

All the tables under a 'phpbb' database seem to be set up, and all the files 
for managing the forum are in place.  I have confirmed this by 
'mysqldump'ing his database and source'ing it into mine, and copying his 
files to my local machine; everything works for me locally.

The problem that he is seeing is that he gets a blank page on what should be 
the forum homepage.  Here are the steps I've taken to isolate the problem to 
no avail:

- set error_reporting(E_ALL);
- added the following to the .htaccess in the directory (httpd.conf is 
configured to allow me to do this) php_value error_reporting 7
- tailed the Apache error_log
- scanned httpd.conf for access restrictions.  I can echo text on this index 
page.
- separately tested for globals and noted that they were on, I was able to 
toggle this in .htaccess with the following flag: php_value register_globals 
1
- stripped the ampersand suppression of mysql errors in the database 
abstraction class.
- successfully used the stock phpMyAdmin from his host, under his webroot, 
to connect to this database.
- connected to MySQL via the command line client as root, the default site 
user, and the phpBB user.
- Googled for "blank page phpBB", which throws up a lot of false hits 
because phpBB is the default forum for many online PHP related discussions 
of blank pages.
- Perused the Knowledge Base at http://phpbb.com/kb/


I'm not quite sure what other tests I can carry out to isolate the problem.  
Is there anything obvious that I'm missing?

Thanks for any and all help in advance,
-Dan

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From alexander_chan at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 24 22:51:08 2003
From: alexander_chan at yahoo.com (Alexander Chan)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:51:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] CSV
In-Reply-To: <005d01c3830d$3e0a6cf0$c801a8c0@dj>
Message-ID: <20030925025108.34115.qmail@web11604.mail.yahoo.com>

i would recommend using fgetcsv function should help
you.
if you goto http://us3.php.net/fgetcsv there is an
example for you.

Alex
--- "Donald J. Organ IV" <dorgan at optonline.net> wrote:
> what would be the best way to go about letting the
> user insert a csv file
> into a mysql database and also letting the user
> extract certain information
> from the server into a csv file.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From dmintz at panix.com  Wed Sep 24 22:52:06 2003
From: dmintz at panix.com (David Mintz)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 22:52:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] CSV
In-Reply-To: <005d01c3830d$3e0a6cf0$c801a8c0@dj>
References: <KHEIIHMNNIFIGCMGGFDJOECNLBAA.nyphp@websapp.com>
	<Pine.NEB.4.58.0309241220060.9775@panix5.panix.com>
	<20030924181326.GA21483@panix.com>
	<20030924183745.GA27366@panix.com> <005d01c3830d$3e0a6cf0$c801a8c0@dj>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0309242241210.2990@panix5.panix.com>

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Donald J. Organ IV wrote:

> what would be the best way to go about letting the user insert a csv file
> into a mysql database and also letting the user extract certain information
> from the server into a csv file.

IMHO? If you're pretty sure they know what they're doing you can probably
accomplish this with PhpMyAdmin.

---
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From shiflett at php.net  Wed Sep 24 23:03:05 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:03:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Debugging phpBB: blank page
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F66HLyBPgdbgvn00017edc@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20030925030305.93604.qmail@web14305.mail.yahoo.com>

--- D C Krook <dkrook at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I'm having some trouble debugging a client's phpBB system.

I seem to recall hearing of this before, and the problem was that the forum
could not connect to the database. So, what happens when you try to manually
connect to the database with the mysql command-line client?

If that works, check to see if the forum expects the MySQL socket to be
somewhere it is not. You may even create a link from /tmp/mysql.sock to
wherever it is as a test.

Hope that helps.

Chris

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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Wed Sep 24 23:04:28 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:04:28 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Debugging phpBB: blank page
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F66HLyBPgdbgvn00017edc@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY2-F66HLyBPgdbgvn00017edc@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20030925030428.GA4818@panix.com>

Hi David:

On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 10:48:08PM -0400, D C Krook wrote:
> 
> The problem that he is seeing is that he gets a blank page on what should 
> be the forum homepage.

I'll bet you a beer that either 
   a)  one or more include/require statements have an @ in front of it to 
supress errors (which has the unfortunate consequence of supressing all 
subsequent errors in that and sub-included files.
   b)  the one or more of the mysql* functions have an @ in front of them.

I'll then bet you another beer that there are problems connecting to the 
database.  Have the MySQL permissions been properly set up and flushed?  
Do the scripts have the right user/password/db names?

Enjoy,

--Dan

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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Wed Sep 24 23:11:05 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:11:05 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Debugging phpBB: blank page
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F66HLyBPgdbgvn00017edc@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY2-F66HLyBPgdbgvn00017edc@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20030925031104.GB4818@panix.com>

On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 10:48:08PM -0400, D C Krook wrote:
> 
> I'm having some trouble debugging a client's phpBB system.

Oh yes, as you now see, phpBB could be better thought out and still has
bugs.  I can't count how many cross site scripting and even SQL injection 
vulnerabilities they've put in there.  Hmm, know what, I CAN count...

http://www.securityfocus.com/search
search area  "Vulnerabilities"
search for   "phpbb"

Drum roll please...  24!  The latest one is as recent as this month!

So, BE CAREFUL!

--Dan

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From dkrook at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 24 23:19:46 2003
From: dkrook at hotmail.com (D C Krook)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:19:46 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Debugging phpBB: blank page
Message-ID: <BAY2-F51vzHr4sRQde1000073ac@hotmail.com>

Heh,

I think security is the *least* of his worries, considering that his Apache 
setup is not parsing .inc's or limiting their access, that his phpMyAdmin 
page is not password protected, that he hasn't set the MySQL root password, 
and he's letting a random guy he just met probe his entire server in search 
of a phpBB bug.   : )


>search area  "Vulnerabilities"
>search for   "phpbb"
>
>So, BE CAREFUL!

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From csnyder at chxo.com  Wed Sep 24 23:20:19 2003
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:20:19 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHPTAL - PHP Template Attribute Language
In-Reply-To: <20030924152146.GU8912@thighmaster.digitalpulp.com>
References: <20030924152146.GU8912@thighmaster.digitalpulp.com>
Message-ID: <3F725EF3.5020204@chxo.com>

That is intriguing.
It looks like more fun for somebody who is used to Zope/ZPT already, but 
I like the featureset enough to give it a try on something.

I spent a little time reading doc at Zope (always dangerous) and began 
to wonder if it would be possible to build a ZEO/ZODB client in PHP. 
Persistant objects with transactions, subtransactions, and undo sound 
like they might be fun to play with. How can?

    csnyder

Andrew Yochum wrote:

>As promised, here is the link to PHPTAL, the PHP implementation of Zope's Page
>Templates (ZPT):
>    http://phptal.sourceforge.net/
>  
>



From csnyder at chxo.com  Wed Sep 24 23:28:45 2003
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:28:45 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Yesterday's Meeting. Templates etc
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0309240920520.19372@panix5.panix.com>
References: <000001c38249$35b195c0$6401a8c0@main>
	<Pine.NEB.4.58.0309240920520.19372@panix5.panix.com>
Message-ID: <3F7260ED.2020403@chxo.com>

http://dev.nyphp.org/~csnyder/3templates/smarty/task3-smarty.php

Bet that size2human function becomes a pcom before too long...

David Mintz wrote:

> I'd like to have another look at the examples if I could. (I want
>
>to look at that function that converted values in bytes to human-friendly
>strings )
>
>
>  
>



From hans at nyphp.org  Wed Sep 24 23:35:30 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:35:30 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Yesterday's Meeting. Templates etc
In-Reply-To: <3F7260ED.2020403@chxo.com>
References: <000001c38249$35b195c0$6401a8c0@main>	<Pine.NEB.4.58.0309240920520.19372@panix5.panix.com>
	<3F7260ED.2020403@chxo.com>
Message-ID: <3F726282.7060906@nyphp.org>



Chris Snyder wrote:

> http://dev.nyphp.org/~csnyder/3templates/smarty/task3-smarty.php
> 
> Bet that size2human function becomes a pcom before too long...

Give http://pcomd.net a shot... it should work :)


H



From hans at nyphp.org  Thu Sep 25 08:26:49 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:26:49 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NYPHP List Reorganization?
Message-ID: <3F72DF09.6090503@nyphp.org>



Hi all,

Whew, I think we'll need another server to support all the list's posts :)  Seeing this type of enthusiasm from the community is fantastic, and questions, discussions, and the back-and-forth is what mailing lists, and NY, is all about.

When NYPHP-Talk first started there was very little traffic and participation (actually, none :), and so a general "any topic goes" viewpoint has worked very well.  Obviously, in just a year, it's grown to be a high-traffic and vibrant channel of communication.

However, it may be beginning to outgrow it's usefulness for some, and we want to be sure to address the needs of the entire community.  So, I'm throwing out the notion that it's time for another list, dedicated to the strict technical discussion of PHP/AMP Technology, and other closely related topics.  Topics would include Apache/MySQL/PHP of course, any related installation/system-administration/security topics, any application written in PHP, and any PHP extension/variant (so, Oracle, PostgreSQL, CLI, GD, etc).  Casual chat or posts, and other topics, wouldn't be included.

And, since we do have such a diverse and knowledgeable community, NYPHP-Talk would be the place for any type of general web discussion, chat, and so forth (thus, falling inline with it's original name, 'Talk').  This organization would allow people to get their tough technical questions answered (on the new list, should we call it NYPHP-AMP ?), by probably the best AMP related lists in the world I might add, while avoiding much of the additional traffic related to other web development technologies, NY, political and other discussions.

I've been hesitant to bring this up in the past simply because I didn't want to discourage people from using the lists, and divide the traffic up to the point that things fall dead.  And, with so many varied topics, it wouldn't be good to make people afraid to post, and asking themselves questions "is this the right list to post?".  Maybe some could assist in drafting well-worded list policies, that would eliminate this ambiguity and clearly depict what topics the lists are geared towards.

Lastly, with the recent addition of the front-end list (http://lists.nyphp.org for those who haven't joined yet) we'd have a complete and very knowledgeable set of real time resources for the community to use.  And, with all lists available as digests (also available via http://lists.nyphp.org), having the traffic organized a little may strike a nice balance for people.  I'm eager to hear thoughts on this, either on this list or in private, and if I get a general +1 on this, I'll have the new list this afternoon (and if anyone has any notes/ideas to pass on about mailing list policies and guidelines, I it'd be a very valuable addition).

It's a pleasure to be on this list, and to have seen it grow into a resource for so many.  Thanks all,

Hans Zaunere
President, New York PHP
http://nyphp.org
hans at nyphp.org




From hans at nyphp.org  Thu Sep 25 08:31:37 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:31:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Debugging phpBB: blank page
In-Reply-To: <BAY2-F66HLyBPgdbgvn00017edc@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY2-F66HLyBPgdbgvn00017edc@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3F72E029.1060709@nyphp.org>



D C Krook wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> I'm having some trouble debugging a client's phpBB system.
> 
> All the tables under a 'phpbb' database seem to be set up, and all the 
> files for managing the forum are in place.  I have confirmed this by 
> 'mysqldump'ing his database and source'ing it into mine, and copying his 
> files to my local machine; everything works for me locally.
> 
> The problem that he is seeing is that he gets a blank page on what 
> should be the forum homepage.  Here are the steps I've taken to isolate 
> the problem to no avail:
> 
> - set error_reporting(E_ALL);
> - added the following to the .htaccess in the directory (httpd.conf is 
> configured to allow me to do this) php_value error_reporting 7
> - tailed the Apache error_log
> - scanned httpd.conf for access restrictions.  I can echo text on this 
> index page.
> - separately tested for globals and noted that they were on, I was able 
> to toggle this in .htaccess with the following flag: php_value 
> register_globals 1
> - stripped the ampersand suppression of mysql errors in the database 
> abstraction class.
> - successfully used the stock phpMyAdmin from his host, under his 
> webroot, to connect to this database.
> - connected to MySQL via the command line client as root, the default 
> site user, and the phpBB user.
> - Googled for "blank page phpBB", which throws up a lot of false hits 
> because phpBB is the default forum for many online PHP related 
> discussions of blank pages.
> - Perused the Knowledge Base at http://phpbb.com/kb/
> 
> 
> I'm not quite sure what other tests I can carry out to isolate the 
> problem.  Is there anything obvious that I'm missing?

Nothing obvious, but here are a couple crazy ideas:

-- put MySQL into logging mode and tail -f mysql.log to what, if any, queries are getting run.  You should be able to map those queries back into the code and see exactly where it's dieing.

-- while watching the apache error logs, a trigger_error('TEST'); is visible?  Just be sure the PHP logs aren't going somewhere else.


HTH,

H



From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Thu Sep 25 08:37:35 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:37:35 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Debugging phpBB: blank page
References: <BAY2-F66HLyBPgdbgvn00017edc@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <00b201c38361$cc3704d0$8119fea9@thinkpad>

here is what i would test:

* design an index.php page that simply connects + selects a table from
phpbb_(table) with a simple query like "select username from phpbb_users"
... if it works you know the db is ok.

* the problem probably lies in the /template area, do the default subSilver
templates work ok?  if so, then try debugging the templates making sure that
overall_header + overall_footer match up and table tags are properly closed.

- jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "D C Krook" <dkrook at hotmail.com>
To: <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 10:48 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Debugging phpBB: blank page


> Hello all,
>
> I'm having some trouble debugging a client's phpBB system.
>
> All the tables under a 'phpbb' database seem to be set up, and all the
files
> for managing the forum are in place.  I have confirmed this by
> 'mysqldump'ing his database and source'ing it into mine, and copying his
> files to my local machine; everything works for me locally.
>
> The problem that he is seeing is that he gets a blank page on what should
be
> the forum homepage.  Here are the steps I've taken to isolate the problem
to
> no avail:
>
> - set error_reporting(E_ALL);
> - added the following to the .htaccess in the directory (httpd.conf is
> configured to allow me to do this) php_value error_reporting 7
> - tailed the Apache error_log
> - scanned httpd.conf for access restrictions.  I can echo text on this
index
> page.
> - separately tested for globals and noted that they were on, I was able to
> toggle this in .htaccess with the following flag: php_value
register_globals
> 1
> - stripped the ampersand suppression of mysql errors in the database
> abstraction class.
> - successfully used the stock phpMyAdmin from his host, under his webroot,
> to connect to this database.
> - connected to MySQL via the command line client as root, the default site
> user, and the phpBB user.
> - Googled for "blank page phpBB", which throws up a lot of false hits
> because phpBB is the default forum for many online PHP related discussions
> of blank pages.
> - Perused the Knowledge Base at http://phpbb.com/kb/
>
>
> I'm not quite sure what other tests I can carry out to isolate the
problem.
> Is there anything obvious that I'm missing?
>
> Thanks for any and all help in advance,
> -Dan
>
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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Thu Sep 25 08:48:45 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:48:45 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] CSV/XML
References: <20030925025108.34115.qmail@web11604.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00bc01c38363$5b8e4fc0$8119fea9@thinkpad>

speaking of which, a simple fgetxml function would be pretty cool ...

how id picture it working (without attributes):

$handle = fopen("file.xml", "r");
while ($sub = fgetxml($handle, "<root>")) {
     print "$sub[name] $sub[url]";
}

<root>
   <name>NYPHP</name>
   <url>http://www.nyphp.org</url>
</root>

as for CVS/MYSQL use the syntax LOAD DATA INFILE as described here (keep in
mind it is a SQL query so you can use PHP to do it):

http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/LOAD_DATA.html

- jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander Chan" <alexander_chan at yahoo.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] CSV


> i would recommend using fgetcsv function should help
> you.
> if you goto http://us3.php.net/fgetcsv there is an
> example for you.
>
> Alex
> --- "Donald J. Organ IV" <dorgan at optonline.net> wrote:
> > what would be the best way to go about letting the
> > user insert a csv file
> > into a mysql database and also letting the user
> > extract certain information
> > from the server into a csv file.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>



From sklar at sklar.com  Thu Sep 25 09:17:14 2003
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:17:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] CSV/XML
In-Reply-To: <00bc01c38363$5b8e4fc0$8119fea9@thinkpad>
Message-ID: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJMEPIGLAA.sklar@sklar.com>

Well, with SimpleXML in PHP 5, you can do something like

$handle = simplexml_load_file('file.xml');
foreach ($handle as $root) {
    print "$root->name $root->url";
}

David

On Thursday, September 25, 2003 8:49 AM,  wrote:

> speaking of which, a simple fgetxml function would be pretty cool ...
> 
> how id picture it working (without attributes):
> 
> $handle = fopen("file.xml", "r");
> while ($sub = fgetxml($handle, "<root>")) {
>      print "$sub[name] $sub[url]";
> }
> 
> <root>
>    <name>NYPHP</name>
>    <url>http://www.nyphp.org</url>
> </root>
> 
> as for CVS/MYSQL use the syntax LOAD DATA INFILE as described here
> (keep in mind it is a SQL query so you can use PHP to do it):
> 
> http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/LOAD_DATA.html
> 
> - jon
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alexander Chan" <alexander_chan at yahoo.com>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 10:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] CSV
> 
> 
>> i would recommend using fgetcsv function should help you.
>> if you goto http://us3.php.net/fgetcsv there is an
>> example for you.
>> 
>> Alex
>> --- "Donald J. Organ IV" <dorgan at optonline.net> wrote:
>>> what would be the best way to go about letting the
>>> user insert a csv file
>>> into a mysql database and also letting the user
>>> extract certain information
>>> from the server into a csv file.
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> talk mailing list
>>> talk at lists.nyphp.org
>>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> talk mailing list
>> talk at lists.nyphp.org
>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk


From hans at nyphp.org  Thu Sep 25 08:36:50 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:36:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [Fwd: php-con West Early Bird Deadline ends Friday,
	September 26th]
Message-ID: <3F72E162.6040001@nyphp.org>


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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Thu Sep 25 09:27:29 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:27:29 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] CSV/XML
References: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJMEPIGLAA.sklar@sklar.com>
Message-ID: <00e801c38368$c4a65b60$8119fea9@thinkpad>

ah ok ... i think this was covered in one meeting ... can u recap a few ?'s
for me (i havent actually tried it yet - just look @ the cvs notes -
http://cvs.php.net/cvs.php/pecl/simplexml/simplexml.c):

* so the array to the element can go down as far as you want? ie:
$root->node1->node2->node3->node4->node5

* there is only load_file (local) + load_string (content) will there be
load_resource or something to let you pull in other streams? although i
guess you could still pull off something like
simplexml_load_string(file_get_contents(url)) is that the idea? ...

- jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Sklar" <sklar at sklar.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 9:17 AM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] CSV/XML


> Well, with SimpleXML in PHP 5, you can do something like
>
> $handle = simplexml_load_file('file.xml');
> foreach ($handle as $root) {
>     print "$root->name $root->url";
> }



From dkrook at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 25 10:08:18 2003
From: dkrook at hotmail.com (D C Krook)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:08:18 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Debugging phpBB: blank page
Message-ID: <BAY2-F93pSFd8xHpEbS0003502f@hotmail.com>

Dan, Chris, Jon & Hans,

Thanks for all the suggestions, I confirmed the following based on your 
feedback:

- Hunted down all "@" suppressions, not only in the DB abstraction class, 
but in include statements.
- Confirmed that other PHP errors - like missing semicolons - are being 
logged in Apache's error_log
- Created a dummy page to connect to MySQL myself, I couldn't connect this 
way either, although I was able to from the command line client.

Based on the third test, the dummy page with a simple connect, I'm assuming 
the problem is in the way PHP is set up to interact with MySQL.  I've noted 
that phpMyAdmin is configured to use TCP and not the socket, so I've got an 
email in to the guy to confirm with his host or admin whether there is a 
specific connection string that needs to be used and/or whether they are 
able to connect themselves.

Thanks again guys,
-Dan

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From dan at mx2pro.com  Thu Sep 25 10:11:02 2003
From: dan at mx2pro.com (Dan Horning)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:11:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NYPHP List Reorganization?
In-Reply-To: <3F72DF09.6090503@nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000901c3836e$dc2d1890$031d9942@dwchome>

And in case anyone wants to talk politics ...
http://www.dwc.to/politics/
:-D

- Dan Horning
1-866-284-3150 (Toll-Free)
President:
     Technical Evangelism &
     Media Systems Administration
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org 
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Hans Zaunere
> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 8:27 AM
> To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] NYPHP List Reorganization?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Whew, I think we'll need another server to support all the 
> list's posts :)  Seeing this type of enthusiasm from the 
> community is fantastic, and questions, discussions, and the 
> back-and-forth is what mailing lists, and NY, is all about.
> 
> When NYPHP-Talk first started there was very little traffic 
> and participation (actually, none :), and so a general "any 
> topic goes" viewpoint has worked very well.  Obviously, in 
> just a year, it's grown to be a high-traffic and vibrant 
> channel of communication.
> 
> However, it may be beginning to outgrow it's usefulness for 
> some, and we want to be sure to address the needs of the 
> entire community.  So, I'm throwing out the notion that it's 
> time for another list, dedicated to the strict technical 
> discussion of PHP/AMP Technology, and other closely related 
> topics.  Topics would include Apache/MySQL/PHP of course, any 
> related installation/system-administration/security topics, 
> any application written in PHP, and any PHP extension/variant 
> (so, Oracle, PostgreSQL, CLI, GD, etc).  Casual chat or 
> posts, and other topics, wouldn't be included.
> 
> And, since we do have such a diverse and knowledgeable 
> community, NYPHP-Talk would be the place for any type of 
> general web discussion, chat, and so forth (thus, falling 
> inline with it's original name, 'Talk').  This organization 
> would allow people to get their tough technical questions 
> answered (on the new list, should we call it NYPHP-AMP ?), by 
> probably the best AMP related lists in the world I might add, 
> while avoiding much of the additional traffic related to 
> other web development technologies, NY, political and other 
> discussions.
> 
> I've been hesitant to bring this up in the past simply 
> because I didn't want to discourage people from using the 
> lists, and divide the traffic up to the point that things 
> fall dead.  And, with so many varied topics, it wouldn't be 
> good to make people afraid to post, and asking themselves 
> questions "is this the right list to post?".  Maybe some 
> could assist in drafting well-worded list policies, that 
> would eliminate this ambiguity and clearly depict what topics 
> the lists are geared towards.
> 
> Lastly, with the recent addition of the front-end list 
(http://lists.nyphp.org for those who haven't joined yet) we'd have a
complete and very knowledgeable set of real time resources for the
community to use.  And, with all lists available as digests (also
available via http://lists.nyphp.org), having the traffic organized a
little may strike a nice balance for people.  I'm eager to hear thoughts
on this, either on this list or in private, and if I get a general +1 on
this, I'll have the new list this afternoon (and if anyone has any
notes/ideas to pass on about mailing list policies and guidelines, I
it'd be a very valuable addition).

It's a pleasure to be on this list, and to have seen it grow into a
resource for so many.  Thanks all,

Hans Zaunere
President, New York PHP
http://nyphp.org
hans at nyphp.org


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From jlacey at ix.netcom.com  Thu Sep 25 10:53:00 2003
From: jlacey at ix.netcom.com (John Lacey)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:53:00 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] AMP comments
In-Reply-To: <3F72DF09.6090503@nyphp.org>
References: <3F72DF09.6090503@nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3F73014C.8090603@ix.netcom.com>


Hans,

Would a 'subject' guideline work?  For example, if I wanted to ask an 
AMP question -- first word of the subject line would be:
PHP class question
php and XML feedback
MySQL problem with connects
Apache virtual host question
postgreSQL information

etc...

Then, perhaps a 'steering script' could direct the question/comment to 
[AMP] list.  All subject lines that don't meet that criteria would be 
directed to "talk".  It might also serve to remind people (if they are 
programmers -- they should be thinking logically anyway :)  to give some 
thought to their question/comment ala Eric Raymond's famous "How to ask 
a question" document.  This could be stated as a simple policy for 
posting to the lists.

just some thoughts from out west...

J




Hans Zaunere wrote:

>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Whew, I think we'll need another server to support all the list's 
> posts :)  Seeing this type of enthusiasm from the community is 
> fantastic, and questions, discussions, and the back-and-forth is what 
> mailing lists, and NY, is all about.
>
> When NYPHP-Talk first started there was very little traffic and 
> participation (actually, none :), and so a general "any topic goes" 
> viewpoint has worked very well.  Obviously, in just a year, it's grown 
> to be a high-traffic and vibrant channel of communication.
>
> However, it may be beginning to outgrow it's usefulness for some, and 
> we want to be sure to address the needs of the entire community.  So, 
> I'm throwing out the notion that it's time for another list, dedicated 
> to the strict technical discussion of PHP/AMP Technology, and other 
> closely related topics.  Topics would include Apache/MySQL/PHP of 
> course, any related installation/system-administration/security 
> topics, any application written in PHP, and any PHP extension/variant 
> (so, Oracle, PostgreSQL, CLI, GD, etc).  Casual chat or posts, and 
> other topics, wouldn't be included.
>
> And, since we do have such a diverse and knowledgeable community, 
> NYPHP-Talk would be the place for any type of general web discussion, 
> chat, and so forth (thus, falling inline with it's original name, 
> 'Talk').  This organization would allow people to get their tough 
> technical questions answered (on the new list, should we call it 
> NYPHP-AMP ?), by probably the best AMP related lists in the world I 
> might add, while avoiding much of the additional traffic related to 
> other web development technologies, NY, political and other discussions.
>
> I've been hesitant to bring this up in the past simply because I 
> didn't want to discourage people from using the lists, and divide the 
> traffic up to the point that things fall dead.  And, with so many 
> varied topics, it wouldn't be good to make people afraid to post, and 
> asking themselves questions "is this the right list to post?".  Maybe 
> some could assist in drafting well-worded list policies, that would 
> eliminate this ambiguity and clearly depict what topics the lists are 
> geared towards.
>
> Lastly, with the recent addition of the front-end list 
> (http://lists.nyphp.org for those who haven't joined yet) we'd have a 
> complete and very knowledgeable set of real time resources for the 
> community to use.  And, with all lists available as digests (also 
> available via http://lists.nyphp.org), having the traffic organized a 
> little may strike a nice balance for people.  I'm eager to hear 
> thoughts on this, either on this list or in private, and if I get a 
> general +1 on this, I'll have the new list this afternoon (and if 
> anyone has any notes/ideas to pass on about mailing list policies and 
> guidelines, I it'd be a very valuable addition).
>
> It's a pleasure to be on this list, and to have seen it grow into a 
> resource for so many.  Thanks all,
>
> Hans Zaunere
> President, New York PHP
> http://nyphp.org
> hans at nyphp.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>




From shiflett at php.net  Thu Sep 25 11:03:31 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:03:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NYPHP List Reorganization?
In-Reply-To: <3F72DF09.6090503@nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030925150331.76464.qmail@web14308.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Hans Zaunere <hans at nyphp.org> wrote:
> NYPHP-AMP?

+1

Chris

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From crisscott at netzero.com  Thu Sep 25 11:05:21 2003
From: crisscott at netzero.com (Scott Mattocks)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:05:21 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Lost Sessions
Message-ID: <3F730431.60901@netzero.com>

Hello,
A couple of days ago I wrote asking about sessions and objects.  Per 
David's suggestion I am storing objects in the session and calling them 
by reference, but when I get to the next page, my objects have 
disappeared.  In fact all of my session has disappeared.  When I try to 
login a user it works fine and all of the session info is present at the 
end of the script.  When I click on a link to the next page the session 
is empty.  All pages are starting the session through an included file. 
  Any ideas as to what is killing my session?

Thanks,
Scott Mattocks



From shiflett at php.net  Thu Sep 25 11:07:30 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:07:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [Fwd: php-con West Early Bird Deadline ends Friday,
	September 26th]
In-Reply-To: <3F72E162.6040001@nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030925150730.25880.qmail@web14302.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Hans Zaunere <hans at nyphp.org> wrote:
> Just to pass this on
[...]
> * Apache.com's Jim Winstead

I suppose they mean apache.org?

> * PostNuke's Vanessa Haakenson

A security talk, perhaps? :-) Sorry, I couldn't resist...

> * Industry experts George Schlossnagle

I highly recommend listening in on George's talk if anyone is going. He's a
very smart guy, especially when it comes to performance concerns.

Chris

=====
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From sklar at sklar.com  Thu Sep 25 11:08:18 2003
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:08:18 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] CSV/XML
In-Reply-To: <00e801c38368$c4a65b60$8119fea9@thinkpad>
Message-ID: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJEEPOGLAA.sklar@sklar.com>

> * so the array to the element can go down as far as you want? ie:
> $root->node1->node2->node3->node4->node5

I think so.

> * there is only load_file (local) + load_string (content) will there
> be load_resource or something to let you pull in other streams?
> although i guess you could still pull off something like
> simplexml_load_string(file_get_contents(url)) is that the idea? ...

IIRC the load_file routine uses the underlying streams support, so you
should be able to use it for whatever stream types are supported:

simplexml_load_file('http://www.example.com/my.xml');
simplexml_load_file('compress.bzip2://my.xml.bz2');

and so on...

David



From hans at nyphp.org  Thu Sep 25 11:11:42 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:11:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [Fwd: php-con West Early Bird Deadline ends Friday, 
	September 26th]
In-Reply-To: <20030925150730.25880.qmail@web14302.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030925150730.25880.qmail@web14302.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3F7305AE.10503@nyphp.org>



Chris Shiflett wrote:

> --- Hans Zaunere <hans at nyphp.org> wrote:
> 
>>Just to pass this on
> 
> [...]
> 
>>* Apache.com's Jim Winstead
> 
> 
> I suppose they mean apache.org?

That's what I thought, too.  But apparently Apache.com is it's own entity.

H




From shiflett at php.net  Thu Sep 25 11:11:53 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:11:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Lost Sessions
In-Reply-To: <3F730431.60901@netzero.com>
Message-ID: <20030925151153.83468.qmail@web14305.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Scott Mattocks <crisscott at netzero.com> wrote:
> When I try to login a user it works fine and all of the session info
> is present at the end of the script. When I click on a link to the
> next page the session is empty. All pages are starting the session
> through an included file. Any ideas as to what is killing my session?

I think you will want to change your perspective a bit about the possible
problems that would result in this behavior. The session may very well be alive
and well, but if the client doesn't properly identify itself on the next
request, PHP will have no idea that there is a session for this client.

So, you want to test for different possibilities:

1. The session is in fact gone for some reason.
2. The client fails to pass PHPSESSID (or whatever you may have named it).
3. Both 1 and 2.
4. Something else specific to your session management mechanism.

Hope that helps.

Chris

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From hans at nyphp.org  Thu Sep 25 11:17:33 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:17:33 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] AMP comments
In-Reply-To: <3F73014C.8090603@ix.netcom.com>
References: <3F72DF09.6090503@nyphp.org> <3F73014C.8090603@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <3F73070D.8010806@nyphp.org>



John Lacey wrote:

> 
> Hans,
> 
> Would a 'subject' guideline work?  For example, if I wanted to ask an 
> AMP question -- first word of the subject line would be:
> PHP class question
> php and XML feedback
> MySQL problem with connects
> Apache virtual host question
> postgreSQL information
> 
> etc...
> 
> Then, perhaps a 'steering script' could direct the question/comment to 
> [AMP] list.  All subject lines that don't meet that criteria would be 
> directed to "talk".  It might also serve to remind people (if they are 
> programmers -- they should be thinking logically anyway :)  to give some 
> thought to their question/comment ala Eric Raymond's famous "How to ask 
> a question" document.  This could be stated as a simple policy for 
> posting to the lists.

This is certainly something we ineveitably want to arrive at (ie, when we finally have our own mailing list system finalized) but with Mailman now I'm not sure it's doable.  For now, unfortunately, the best we could do would be to add another list, and concisely define posting guidelines for it, with Talk being the catch-all list.

I've had mixed responses as to whether adding another list is good or not, so I still don't know what to do.  Perhaps we should be totally democratic about it and have a vote?

H




From shiflett at php.net  Thu Sep 25 11:26:28 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:26:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] AMP comments
In-Reply-To: <3F73070D.8010806@nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030925152628.44065.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Hans Zaunere <hans at nyphp.org> wrote:
> Perhaps we should be totally democratic about it and have a vote?

Although I am in favor of having a separate list, I can give you a reason why
some people do not favor this type of idea (it has come up a lot on php.net
mailing list discussions). The fear is that all of the "smart" people will
migrate to the advanced/on-topic/whatever list that is being proposed, and the
other list's usefulness will deteriorate, and it will die.

If we do create an on-topic list, I can pretty much guarantee that I will
subscribe to it and drop this one. My time is valuable to me, and while I like
to contribute back to the PHP community by answering questions whenever I have
the time, it is not worth it for me to wade through off-topic discussions and
people asking questions without giving any personal attempt at solving their
own problem.

So, I would see the choices as:

1. Enforce that this list remain on-topic.
2. Create an on-topic list.

Given these choices, either is fine for me, because I will choose to be
subscribed to the on-topic list in either case. It makes no difference to me if
others have a list where they can chat casually (and I have nothing against the
idea at all).

But, that's just my perspective, of course. :-)

Chris

=====
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http://httphandbook.org/


From jeffknight at mac.com  Thu Sep 25 11:34:35 2003
From: jeffknight at mac.com (PUTAMARE)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:34:35 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] AMP comments
Message-ID: <C48B549C-EF6D-11D7-9731-000393B9FB36@mac.com>

Meh, my precious scroll key finger isn't that abused by off topic 
posts, there really aren't enough to warrant the diversion of resources 
from some more worthy project to solve the "problem". As I mentioned at 
the meeting, probably the best first phundamentals should be a how to 
filter your email tutorial, since most of the list-based 
dissatisfaction comes from people who apparently don't. I'm not going 
to volunteer for this phundamental however because I do not know or 
care to know how to do anything in outlook.

Jeff Knight
jeff at lushmedia.com
212/213-6558 x 203
LUSH media
110 W 40th St #1502
New York, NY 10018



From crisscott at netzero.com  Thu Sep 25 11:37:11 2003
From: crisscott at netzero.com (Scott Mattocks)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:37:11 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Lost Sessions
In-Reply-To: <20030925151153.83468.qmail@web14305.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030925151153.83468.qmail@web14305.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3F730BA7.9040804@netzero.com>

Somehow the session cookie is not getting set.  A new session id is 
being created on every page load.  The constant SID is available which 
means that the cookie wasn't set right.  Is there a way to determine why 
the cookie isn't set?  The browser is set to accept all cookies.
Thanks
Scott Mattocks

Chris Shiflett wrote:

> --- Scott Mattocks <crisscott at netzero.com> wrote:
> 
>>When I try to login a user it works fine and all of the session info
>>is present at the end of the script. When I click on a link to the
>>next page the session is empty. All pages are starting the session
>>through an included file. Any ideas as to what is killing my session?
> 
> 
> I think you will want to change your perspective a bit about the possible
> problems that would result in this behavior. The session may very well be alive
> and well, but if the client doesn't properly identify itself on the next
> request, PHP will have no idea that there is a session for this client.
> 
> So, you want to test for different possibilities:
> 
> 1. The session is in fact gone for some reason.
> 2. The client fails to pass PHPSESSID (or whatever you may have named it).
> 3. Both 1 and 2.
> 4. Something else specific to your session management mechanism.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Chris
> 
> =====
> Become a better Web developer with the HTTP Developer's Handbook
> http://httphandbook.org/
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> 



From bpang at bpang.com  Thu Sep 25 11:44:11 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:44:11 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] AMP comments
Message-ID: <E1A2YHr-0007iE-Km@rslrs1-server.com>

I largely, if not wholly, agree with Chris, particularly where it
involves "people asking questions without giving any personal attempt at
solving their own problem."

A question or two for a newbie is ok, but it often seems as though the
list is used in lieu of the PHP (or other) Manual.
Often I refer to the manual to answer someone's question, and that is
just wrong.

I think that the front-end list is a bit of a stretch, but at least it's
separate (and I do subscribe to it). There are other lists available for
problems/questions concering apache, mysql, etc, specific problems.

I suppose, for example, apache specific questions could be relegated to
an apache at lists.nyphp.org list, which people who have no apache interest
could not subscribe to.

While I admit that I've asked an off-topic question or two and I don't
have an issue with a call for off-topic help, I think these threads
should go off-list as soon as possible.



> --- Hans Zaunere <hans at nyphp.org> wrote:
> > Perhaps we should be totally democratic about it and have a vote?
> 
> Although I am in favor of having a separate list, I can give you a
reason why
> some people do not favor this type of idea (it has come up a lot on
php.net
> mailing list discussions). The fear is that all of the "smart" people will
> migrate to the advanced/on-topic/whatever list that is being proposed,
and the
> other list's usefulness will deteriorate, and it will die.
> 
> If we do create an on-topic list, I can pretty much guarantee that I will
> subscribe to it and drop this one. My time is valuable to me, and
while I like
> to contribute back to the PHP community by answering questions
whenever I have
> the time, it is not worth it for me to wade through off-topic
discussions and
> people asking questions without giving any personal attempt at solving
their
> own problem.
> 
> So, I would see the choices as:
> 
> 1. Enforce that this list remain on-topic.
> 2. Create an on-topic list.
> 
> Given these choices, either is fine for me, because I will choose to be
> subscribed to the on-topic list in either case. It makes no difference
to me if
> others have a list where they can chat casually (and I have nothing
against the
> idea at all).
> 





From shiflett at php.net  Thu Sep 25 11:49:04 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:49:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Lost Sessions
In-Reply-To: <3F730BA7.9040804@netzero.com>
Message-ID: <20030925154904.31879.qmail@web14302.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Scott Mattocks <crisscott at netzero.com> wrote:
> Somehow the session cookie is not getting set. A new session id is 
> being created on every page load. The constant SID is available
> which means that the cookie wasn't set right. Is there a way to
> determine why the cookie isn't set? The browser is set to accept
> all cookies.

Well, there is accepting, and there is returning. It is possible that the
client is accepting the cookie just fine but for some reason is not returning
the cookie in the next request. There are several attributes that can be
associated with a cookie, and these generally restrict the cases in which a
client will send them in a request.

So, the first test might be to turn on "warnings" or whatever your browser
calls them and carefully inspect the cookie that is being set. Check things
like this:

1. Path
2. Domain
3. Expires
4. Secure

A lack of an attribute generally means a lack of the associated restriction,
except in the case of Path, which defaults to the path of the resource sending
the cookie.

You can get a more general overview of cookies here:

http://shiflett.org/books/http-developers-handbook/chapters/11

Hope that helps.

Chris

=====
Become a better Web developer with the HTTP Developer's Handbook
http://httphandbook.org/


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Thu Sep 25 11:51:27 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 11:51:27 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Lost Sessions
In-Reply-To: <3F730BA7.9040804@netzero.com>
References: <20030925151153.83468.qmail@web14305.mail.yahoo.com>
	<3F730BA7.9040804@netzero.com>
Message-ID: <20030925155127.GA23488@panix.com>

Hi Scott:

On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 11:37:11AM -0400, Scott Mattocks wrote:
> Somehow the session cookie is not getting set.

Browser cookie preferences could be a problem.
Cookie path could be a problem.

But, my preference is to avoid all these problems by passing session ID's 
in the HTML itself.

See my Simple Session Solution class:
http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/software/session-simple/

--Dan

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From pl at eskimo.com  Thu Sep 25 13:37:42 2003
From: pl at eskimo.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:37:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] AMP comments
References: <C48B549C-EF6D-11D7-9731-000393B9FB36@mac.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c3838b$ded1f3a0$978dfea9@t9x6t1>

Perhaps we can have a short presentation on how to ask a question on an
"on-topic" list so the "knowledgable" people's time don't become wasted.
This presentation could be based on our experience on the talk list as well
as other resources such as Eric Raymond's article.

Yours,
Peter L.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "PUTAMARE" <jeffknight at mac.com>
To: <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] AMP comments


> Meh, my precious scroll key finger isn't that abused by off topic
> posts, there really aren't enough to warrant the diversion of resources
> from some more worthy project to solve the "problem". As I mentioned at
> the meeting, probably the best first phundamentals should be a how to
> filter your email tutorial, since most of the list-based
> dissatisfaction comes from people who apparently don't. I'm not going
> to volunteer for this phundamental however because I do not know or
> care to know how to do anything in outlook.
>
> Jeff Knight
> jeff at lushmedia.com
> 212/213-6558 x 203
> LUSH media
> 110 W 40th St #1502
> New York, NY 10018
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>



From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Thu Sep 25 14:34:50 2003
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:34:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] AMP comments
In-Reply-To: <002e01c3838b$ded1f3a0$978dfea9@t9x6t1>
Message-ID: <000d01c38393$b519bd60$bf8d3818@OBERON1>

Perhaps we could have a web page, and ask people to read it
before signing up.

Then members of the list could have a form letter that has a
link to the "etiquette" page. Replying with a form would
just take a 'couple' of clicks and could be a kindler and
gentler RTFM.

Anyway I think the members should police the list instead of
creating an elite list.
 

T. Gales & Associates
Helping People Connect with Technology
http://www.tgaconnect.com

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Peter
Lehrer
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 1:38 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] AMP comments

Perhaps we can have a short presentation on how to ask a
question on an
"on-topic" list so the "knowledgable" people's time don't
become wasted.
This presentation could be based on our experience on the
talk list as well
as other resources such as Eric Raymond's article.

Yours,
Peter L.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "PUTAMARE" <jeffknight at mac.com>
To: <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] AMP comments


> Meh, my precious scroll key finger isn't that abused by
off topic
> posts, there really aren't enough to warrant the diversion
of resources
> from some more worthy project to solve the "problem". As I
mentioned at
> the meeting, probably the best first phundamentals should
be a how to
> filter your email tutorial, since most of the list-based
> dissatisfaction comes from people who apparently don't.
I'm not going
> to volunteer for this phundamental however because I do
not know or
> care to know how to do anything in outlook.
>
> Jeff Knight
> jeff at lushmedia.com
> 212/213-6558 x 203
> LUSH media
> 110 W 40th St #1502
> New York, NY 10018
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>

_______________________________________________
talk mailing list
talk at lists.nyphp.org
http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From coling at macmicro.com  Thu Sep 25 14:56:30 2003
From: coling at macmicro.com (Colin Goldberg)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:56:30 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] AMP comments
In-Reply-To: <000d01c38393$b519bd60$bf8d3818@OBERON1>
References: <002e01c3838b$ded1f3a0$978dfea9@t9x6t1>
	<000d01c38393$b519bd60$bf8d3818@OBERON1>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20030925144019.04fe21d0@mail.macmicro.com>

Why not consider adding a Forum section to the NYPHP site? In it you could 
set up multiple sections, with multiple topics, moderated or unmoderated. 
So instead of, or in addition to, keeping up by way of mailing lists, a 
member could visit the forum and browse through the sections/topics by 
thread, etc. according to interest.

As I see it, a forum behaves like a "market" in a way, in that popularity 
of, and replies to, postings will be determined by the interest a forum 
visitor has in the thread. If someone posts a question etc. and nobody 
replies, then that just indicates that (a) no-one knows the answer, (b) 
no-one is interested, or (c) "you name it" reason. To me, that's quite 
fair, but even so, overall the forum page gives a quick idea about the 
direction(s) that discussion(s) are going in.

I have seen a "free" product that seems (at first glance) to be well put 
together - http://www.invisionboard.com/ Perhaps it's worth looking at... 
(I have no connection with them).

Colin G




At 02:34 PM 9/25/03, you wrote:
>Perhaps we could have a web page, and ask people to read it
>before signing up.
>
>Then members of the list could have a form letter that has a
>link to the "etiquette" page. Replying with a form would
>just take a 'couple' of clicks and could be a kindler and
>gentler RTFM.
>
>Anyway I think the members should police the list instead of
>creating an elite list.
>
>
>T. Gales & Associates
>Helping People Connect with Technology
>http://www.tgaconnect.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
>[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Peter
>Lehrer
>Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 1:38 PM
>To: NYPHP Talk
>Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] AMP comments
>
>Perhaps we can have a short presentation on how to ask a
>question on an
>"on-topic" list so the "knowledgable" people's time don't
>become wasted.
>This presentation could be based on our experience on the
>talk list as well
>as other resources such as Eric Raymond's article.
>
>Yours,
>Peter L.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "PUTAMARE" <jeffknight at mac.com>
>To: <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
>Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 11:34 AM
>Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] AMP comments
>
>
> > Meh, my precious scroll key finger isn't that abused by
>off topic
> > posts, there really aren't enough to warrant the diversion
>of resources
> > from some more worthy project to solve the "problem". As I
>mentioned at
> > the meeting, probably the best first phundamentals should
>be a how to
> > filter your email tutorial, since most of the list-based
> > dissatisfaction comes from people who apparently don't.
>I'm not going
> > to volunteer for this phundamental however because I do
>not know or
> > care to know how to do anything in outlook.
> >
> > Jeff Knight
> > jeff at lushmedia.com
> > 212/213-6558 x 203
> > LUSH media
> > 110 W 40th St #1502
> > New York, NY 10018
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
>
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
>talk at lists.nyphp.org
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From jlacey at ix.netcom.com  Thu Sep 25 15:03:23 2003
From: jlacey at ix.netcom.com (John Lacey)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:03:23 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] AMP comments
In-Reply-To: <000d01c38393$b519bd60$bf8d3818@OBERON1>
References: <000d01c38393$b519bd60$bf8d3818@OBERON1>
Message-ID: <3F733BFB.1000805@ix.netcom.com>



Tim Gales wrote:

>Anyway I think the members should police the list instead of
>creating an elite list.
> 
>

ahh.. someone finally "gets it".

What is happening here is that NYPHP is having a "good problem" -- 
growing pains.   Some of the most memorable people in my life have been 
the truly gifted ones who have taken the time to help me with something 
I didn't understand -- and for the record, I'm 57 years old and have had 
plenty of help.

a list that is self-regulating (it's ok to simply ignore people who 
abuse it, etc) is the way to go IMHO

John




From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Thu Sep 25 15:07:01 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:07:01 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NYPHP List Reorganization?
In-Reply-To: <3F72DF09.6090503@nyphp.org>
References: <3F72DF09.6090503@nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030925190701.GA8894@panix.com>

Folks:

On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 08:26:49AM -0400, Hans Zaunere wrote:

> grown to be a high-traffic and vibrant channel of communication.

The volume on this list doesn't seem so high to me.


> However, it may be beginning to outgrow it's usefulness for some,

How so?  If you're talking about the quality of some of the questions 
posted, that would then wind up being the problem on any new list -- 
unless of course said list has a restricted membership.

Considering the turn of events yesterday with Mr. Powell, it seems the 
community can police itself.


> So, I'm 
> throwing out the notion that it's time for another list, dedicated to the 
> strict technical discussion of PHP/AMP Technology, and other closely 
> related topics.

That's what this list already is.

Enjoy,

--Dan

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From lists at ny-tech.net  Thu Sep 25 15:25:50 2003
From: lists at ny-tech.net (Nasir Zubair)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:25:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] AMP comments
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20030925144019.04fe21d0@mail.macmicro.com>
Message-ID: <003a01c3839a$d57cbd30$6401a8c0@main>

I'll second the idea of forums. They are much more effective ( however, much
younger) and easier to manage than mailing lists. I am an active member of
quite a few forums, related to web design/programming on the net. One of the
most popular ones is Site Point Forums, http://www.sitepointforums.com/
which caters to 28,784 members. And another one is www.webdesignforums.net I
also run and manage a few forums, including my own sites and my employer's
site.

There are quite a few forum packages for AMP environment. 
phpBB, www.phpbb.com , and Invision Power Boards, two of the top free ones. 
vBulletin, www.vbulletin.com, the best commercial one. I run vBulletin on my
site because of its stability and the availability of support.

I think this solution should be looked into, if not deployed on NYPHP.

- Nasir

-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Goldberg [mailto:coling at macmicro.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 2:57 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] AMP comments


Why not consider adding a Forum section to the NYPHP site? In it you could 
set up multiple sections, with multiple topics, moderated or unmoderated. 
So instead of, or in addition to, keeping up by way of mailing lists, a 
member could visit the forum and browse through the sections/topics by 
thread, etc. according to interest.

As I see it, a forum behaves like a "market" in a way, in that popularity 
of, and replies to, postings will be determined by the interest a forum 
visitor has in the thread. If someone posts a question etc. and nobody 
replies, then that just indicates that (a) no-one knows the answer, (b) 
no-one is interested, or (c) "you name it" reason. To me, that's quite 
fair, but even so, overall the forum page gives a quick idea about the 
direction(s) that discussion(s) are going in.

I have seen a "free" product that seems (at first glance) to be well put 
together - http://www.invisionboard.com/ Perhaps it's worth looking at... 
(I have no connection with them).

Colin G




At 02:34 PM 9/25/03, you wrote:
>Perhaps we could have a web page, and ask people to read it before 
>signing up.
>
>Then members of the list could have a form letter that has a link to 
>the "etiquette" page. Replying with a form would just take a 'couple' 
>of clicks and could be a kindler and gentler RTFM.
>
>Anyway I think the members should police the list instead of creating 
>an elite list.
>
>
>T. Gales & Associates
>Helping People Connect with Technology http://www.tgaconnect.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org 
>[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Peter Lehrer
>Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 1:38 PM
>To: NYPHP Talk
>Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] AMP comments
>
>Perhaps we can have a short presentation on how to ask a question on an
>"on-topic" list so the "knowledgable" people's time don't
>become wasted.
>This presentation could be based on our experience on the
>talk list as well
>as other resources such as Eric Raymond's article.
>
>Yours,
>Peter L.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "PUTAMARE" <jeffknight at mac.com>
>To: <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
>Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 11:34 AM
>Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] AMP comments
>
>
> > Meh, my precious scroll key finger isn't that abused by
>off topic
> > posts, there really aren't enough to warrant the diversion
>of resources
> > from some more worthy project to solve the "problem". As I
>mentioned at
> > the meeting, probably the best first phundamentals should
>be a how to
> > filter your email tutorial, since most of the list-based 
> > dissatisfaction comes from people who apparently don't.
>I'm not going
> > to volunteer for this phundamental however because I do
>not know or
> > care to know how to do anything in outlook.
> >
> > Jeff Knight
> > jeff at lushmedia.com
> > 212/213-6558 x 203
> > LUSH media
> > 110 W 40th St #1502
> > New York, NY 10018
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
>
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
>talk at lists.nyphp.org http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
>talk at lists.nyphp.org http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk

_______________________________________________
talk mailing list
talk at lists.nyphp.org http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk




From dmintz at panix.com  Thu Sep 25 15:27:11 2003
From: dmintz at panix.com (David Mintz)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:27:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NYPHP List Reorganization?
In-Reply-To: <20030925190701.GA8894@panix.com>
References: <3F72DF09.6090503@nyphp.org> <20030925190701.GA8894@panix.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0309251519410.28373@panix5.panix.com>


I concur with the opinion that the status quo seems to be working ok.

There's the moderately OT aside now and then ("Can I bring my bicycle to
Digital Pulp?"), which the very name 'talk' doesn't discourage (as Hans
has pointed out), but nobody seems to have a problem with that. And yes,
when somebody started taxing the community's patience, the community dealt
with it.


---
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http://davidmintz.org/
Email: See http://dmintzweb.com/whitelist.php first!

"Y d?le p'abajo"

	Tito Rojas


From csnyder at chxo.com  Thu Sep 25 15:28:28 2003
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:28:28 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] AMP comments
In-Reply-To: <3F733BFB.1000805@ix.netcom.com>
References: <000d01c38393$b519bd60$bf8d3818@OBERON1>
	<3F733BFB.1000805@ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <3F7341DC.10508@chxo.com>

John Lacey wrote:

> a list that is self-regulating (it's ok to simply ignore people who 
> abuse it, etc) is the way to go IMHO

I agree with John. The chatter around the serious questions is the soul 
of this list, it creates a very welcoming environment. People will abuse 
it for sure-- but out of ignorance, not maliciousness.

    csnyder



From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Thu Sep 25 14:19:52 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff Siegel)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:19:52 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] AMP comments
In-Reply-To: <002e01c3838b$ded1f3a0$978dfea9@t9x6t1>
Message-ID: <001301c38391$9cd7f0c0$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

And now...for my 2 cents.

Sometimes the correct phrasing of the question has to do with the
"experience level" of the person asking the question. If you are just
learning a language, you don't yet know the terminology and therefore
don't quite know how to phrase the question.

However, following such rules as RTFM; checking Google, and so forth,
may help someone to understand how to phrase the question (assuming they
did not find the answer they were looking for).

Jeff Siegel 

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Peter Lehrer
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 12:38 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] AMP comments


Perhaps we can have a short presentation on how to ask a question on an
"on-topic" list so the "knowledgable" people's time don't become wasted.
This presentation could be based on our experience on the talk list as
well
as other resources such as Eric Raymond's article.

Yours,
Peter L.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "PUTAMARE" <jeffknight at mac.com>
To: <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] AMP comments


> Meh, my precious scroll key finger isn't that abused by off topic
> posts, there really aren't enough to warrant the diversion of
resources
> from some more worthy project to solve the "problem". As I mentioned
at
> the meeting, probably the best first phundamentals should be a how to
> filter your email tutorial, since most of the list-based
> dissatisfaction comes from people who apparently don't. I'm not going
> to volunteer for this phundamental however because I do not know or
> care to know how to do anything in outlook.
>
> Jeff Knight
> jeff at lushmedia.com
> 212/213-6558 x 203
> LUSH media
> 110 W 40th St #1502
> New York, NY 10018
>
> _______________________________________________
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> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>

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From jkelly at sussex.edu  Thu Sep 25 15:52:25 2003
From: jkelly at sussex.edu (jessica kelly)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:52:25 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NYPHP List Reorganization?
Message-ID: <sf730f4e.073@mail.sussex.edu>

I'd have to agree with Dan. 

On an occasion or two, I have asked a question that I maybe should of asked elsewhere. Even though they are all AMP related it usually involves Windows as I don't have the luxury of a Linux box where I work nor will the bossman let me convert the server over to Linux. I always Google the question and RTFM first before I ask, but a lot of times I ask because I don't understand TFM. 

I have a treasure trove of saved emails that I have gleaned from this list and refer to them as needed or save for future reference. I would really hate to see the "Elite" disappear from this list. This would cause me to try to join the elite list to continue to glean info but be too afraid to ask a question for fear of a "What the *$%# are you doing on this list" response. In the end my effort to employ PHP when possible where I work would suffer. 

To keep this list going I would recommend:

1) Keeping posts on topic. 
2) Subject lines should reflect what the question is about.
3) Let people know when their abusing the list. Kindly at first more aggressively if the problem persists.
4) Read other responses to a question before you answer it as the question is probably already answered. I see quite a bit of this on this list. 
5) Be nice when possible. The so called Linux elitist attitude is a turn off to those who would like to delve further into Linux, self included. 
6) Resist the temptation to throw in your two cents for the sake of throwing in your two cents, it's annoying. 

My two cents for keeping the list as is,

Jessica Kelly


>>> danielc at analysisandsolutions.com 9/25/03 3:07:01 PM >>>
Folks:

On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 08:26:49AM -0400, Hans Zaunere wrote:

> grown to be a high-traffic and vibrant channel of communication.

The volume on this list doesn't seem so high to me.


> However, it may be beginning to outgrow it's usefulness for some,

How so?  If you're talking about the quality of some of the questions 
posted, that would then wind up being the problem on any new list -- 
unless of course said list has a restricted membership.

Considering the turn of events yesterday with Mr. Powell, it seems the 
community can police itself.


> So, I'm 
> throwing out the notion that it's time for another list, dedicated to the 
> strict technical discussion of PHP/AMP Technology, and other closely 
> related topics.

That's what this list already is.

Enjoy,

--Dan

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From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Thu Sep 25 16:54:11 2003
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 16:54:11 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NYPHP List Reorganization?
In-Reply-To: <sf730f4e.073@mail.sussex.edu>
Message-ID: <000f01c383a7$2d7e12c0$bf8d3818@OBERON1>

Earlier I wrote that we could have a kinder and gentler RTFM
message.

I was thinking of something like this:

==========
"The reason you got the 'whatever' error was because your
php.ini wasn't configured correctly."

Did you know that you might have been able to solve this
yourself by entering "phundamentals 'whatever' error
site:www.nyphp.org" in the Google search box?
============

I think something like the above would reinforce nyphp as a
resource for finding out more about PHP and still encourage
people to do some homework before asking questions.

I am not suggesting that we say 'go Google on that first,
before asking that kind of question' because it would turn
people way from the site which is a good source of help.

Another problem with telling people to Google for the
answers to their questions is, as Jeff Siegel pointed out,
they may have trouble expressing what the problem is.

Along the same lines, if they are new to the language they
may have trouble sifting through all the stuff that comes
back from a Google query to find what is relevant to them.

T. Gales & Associates
Helping People Connect with Technology
http://www.tgaconnect.com

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of jessica
kelly
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 3:52 PM
To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] NYPHP List Reorganization?

I'd have to agree with Dan. 

On an occasion or two, I have asked a question that I maybe
should of asked elsewhere. Even though they are all AMP
related it usually involves Windows as I don't have the
luxury of a Linux box where I work nor will the bossman let
me convert the server over to Linux. I always Google the
question and RTFM first before I ask, but a lot of times I
ask because I don't understand TFM. 

I have a treasure trove of saved emails that I have gleaned
from this list and refer to them as needed or save for
future reference. I would really hate to see the "Elite"
disappear from this list. This would cause me to try to join
the elite list to continue to glean info but be too afraid
to ask a question for fear of a "What the *$%# are you doing
on this list" response. In the end my effort to employ PHP
when possible where I work would suffer. 

To keep this list going I would recommend:

1) Keeping posts on topic. 
2) Subject lines should reflect what the question is about.
3) Let people know when their abusing the list. Kindly at
first more aggressively if the problem persists.
4) Read other responses to a question before you answer it
as the question is probably already answered. I see quite a
bit of this on this list. 
5) Be nice when possible. The so called Linux elitist
attitude is a turn off to those who would like to delve
further into Linux, self included. 
6) Resist the temptation to throw in your two cents for the
sake of throwing in your two cents, it's annoying. 

My two cents for keeping the list as is,

Jessica Kelly


>>> danielc at analysisandsolutions.com 9/25/03 3:07:01 PM >>>
Folks:

On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 08:26:49AM -0400, Hans Zaunere
wrote:

> grown to be a high-traffic and vibrant channel of
communication.

The volume on this list doesn't seem so high to me.


> However, it may be beginning to outgrow it's usefulness
for some,

How so?  If you're talking about the quality of some of the
questions 
posted, that would then wind up being the problem on any new
list -- 
unless of course said list has a restricted membership.

Considering the turn of events yesterday with Mr. Powell, it
seems the 
community can police itself.


> So, I'm 
> throwing out the notion that it's time for another list,
dedicated to the 
> strict technical discussion of PHP/AMP Technology, and
other closely 
> related topics.

That's what this list already is.

Enjoy,

--Dan

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easier
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P A N Y
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From dmintz at panix.com  Thu Sep 25 17:35:14 2003
From: dmintz at panix.com (David Mintz)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:35:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NYPHP List Reorganization?
In-Reply-To: <000f01c383a7$2d7e12c0$bf8d3818@OBERON1>
References: <000f01c383a7$2d7e12c0$bf8d3818@OBERON1>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0309251724080.28373@panix5.panix.com>

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Tim Gales wrote:

>
> Another problem with telling people to Google for the
> answers to their questions is, as Jeff Siegel pointed out,
> they may have trouble expressing what the problem is.
>
> Along the same lines, if they are new to the language they
> may have trouble sifting through all the stuff that comes
> back from a Google query to find what is relevant to them.

Hmm, I wonder if there's a presentation idea in there: "The Art of
RTFM/STFW"

One could start by sort of logging a few incidents of successful
RTFM/STFW, i.e., that didn't result in posting any question, and there
you'd have a few examples. I could contribute a little story about how I
learned how to sort multidimensional arrays all by myself today (well ok,
with a little help from Google when
http://us3.php.net/manual/en/function.array-multisort.php didn't do it for
me)


---
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http://davidmintz.org/
Email: See http://dmintzweb.com/whitelist.php first!

"Y d?le p'abajo"

	Tito Rojas


From southwell at dneba.com  Thu Sep 25 18:03:03 2003
From: southwell at dneba.com (Michael Southwell)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:03:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NYPHP List Reorganization?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0309251519410.28373@panix5.panix.com>
References: <20030925190701.GA8894@panix.com> <3F72DF09.6090503@nyphp.org>
	<20030925190701.GA8894@panix.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030925180239.00b4e5f8@mail.optonline.net>

At 03:27 PM 9/25/2003, you wrote:

>I concur with the opinion that the status quo seems to be working ok.
>
>There's the moderately OT aside now and then ("Can I bring my bicycle to
>Digital Pulp?"), which the very name 'talk' doesn't discourage (as Hans
>has pointed out), but nobody seems to have a problem with that. And yes,
>when somebody started taxing the community's patience, the community dealt
>with it.

+1 to this from me



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>
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>
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From adam at trachtenberg.com  Thu Sep 25 20:38:33 2003
From: adam at trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:38:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NYPHP List Reorganization?
In-Reply-To: <sf730f4e.073@mail.sussex.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309252024220.1194-100000@miranda.org>

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, jessica kelly wrote:

> On an occasion or two, I have asked a question that I maybe should
> of asked elsewhere. Even though they are all AMP related it usually
> involves Windows as I don't have the luxury of a Linux box where I
> work nor will the bossman let me convert the server over to Linux. I
> always Google the question and RTFM first before I ask, but a lot of
> times I ask because I don't understand TFM.

IMHO, there's nothing wrong with a WAMP question. One of PHP's
strengths is that you can get it up and running on *both* Unix and
Windows.

In fact, because many people don't use Windows with PHP is actually
all the more reason to encourage PHP Windows questions. It's much
harder to find quality information on this topic, so I'm not surprised
when the subject generates queries. (Running PHP on Windows is like
a dog walking on two legs; you're not impressed with how well he's
doing it, but that's he's able to do it at all.)

In a (somewhat) related note from another post, this *is* NYPHP
Talk. I hope people ask questions about bringing their bicycle to the
monthly meeting because then it means they're actually going to the
meeting!  (Unlike me, who had to miss it this month. Shame, shame.)

Despite my earlier rant, I actually have a pretty large definition of
what qualifies as on topic. And if it's totally off-topic, then like
it when you pretend that you're making an attempt to stay on topic. :)

-adam

-- 
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author of o'reilly's php cookbook
avoid the holiday rush, buy your copy today!



From delta at rochester.rr.com  Fri Sep 26 06:14:22 2003
From: delta at rochester.rr.com (deedee)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 06:14:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] AMP Comments and/or NYPHP List Reorganization
References: <3F72DF09.6090503@nyphp.org> <3F73014C.8090603@ix.netcom.com>
	<3F73070D.8010806@nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <00f501c38416$f5133710$fc00fe0a@KEITZWS2>

Hans,
i have been a quiet, proud member of nyphp.org since last year and i thought
i'd add my 2 cents to this topic for what its worth!

first, its a ugly job having to police human behavior - i manage a database
of technical troubleshooting tips at work and its a constant battle to keep
subject lines 'neat' and contributions 'clean' and so forth.   i think some
people just cant or wont follow basic instructions and guidelines. from this
technical group and others i am annoyed when people cant click on the
appropriate link for the simpliest task 'remove from list'.  i mutter
'moran' or some other colorful word and then i use my delete key! that's
probably where some tolerance kicks in for those of us that continue to hang
out.

 i replied once to someone who had accidently posted a php question to
nyphp-dev which prompted a gentle reminder of the list purpose from you...i
remember wondering how to get the thread redirected, so i just abandoned it
altogether!

guidelines for posts are fair and reasonable, select the police if its
necessary, gentle reminders are helpful to some and annoying to others.
encourage tolerance.

i have used forums before... the thread searchability is a nice feature but
again as many have mentioned my inquiry results are based on my ability to
articulate the technical verbage.  i use google, i cherish my 'bibles' and
reference manuals, i ask my friends and coworkers, i read the posts with
nyphp & other groups.... then if i get code working or have experience, i
share.  i have posted replies here when i noticed some basic research was
available, and possible overlooked.  ...i think it shows the diversity of
skill level of your members.

i joined an online group once that strictly used the word "off topic" when
posts werent within the designated guidelines, plus there was an automated
monthly pre-scripted message regarding the membership rules & guidelines...
once in a while the 'police force' posted "enough already" or helped steer
the group discussion... sometimes i had time to read those off topic posts.
the guideline reminder was helpful in the infancy of my membership. the
delete key or filtering is always the members option.

the recent question about bringing a bicycle to the meeting seemed important
to the attendee... i regret i dont live in the area to attend.  the question
seemed reasonable enough and i have enjoyed reading where you all are
heading for dinner or drinks and what train you might take.... but thats
because i find all you  'geeks' interesting. moving this type of discussion
to another location would make it less human, more technical.

lastly i have found on occasion, (yet rarely) posted questions are
unanswered...i have noticed its on or near the meeting dates - probably cuz
most of the focus is on the meeting etc.  again, its infrequent but it might
be something to be conscious of.

i trust your leadership on this so my vote is with you.
i hope if you do start another elite group you invite the current members
that have supported you from nearly the start!
keep up the good work!  ;)
respectfully,
deedee


P.S.   is this thread of discussion...'NYPHP List Reorganization?' or 'AMP
comments' ?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hans Zaunere" <hans at nyphp.org>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] AMP comments


>
>
> John Lacey wrote:
>
> >
> > Hans,
> >
> > Would a 'subject' guideline work?  For example, if I wanted to ask an
> > AMP question -- first word of the subject line would be:
> > PHP class question
> > php and XML feedback
> > MySQL problem with connects
> > Apache virtual host question
> > postgreSQL information
> >
> > etc...
> >
> > Then, perhaps a 'steering script' could direct the question/comment to
> > [AMP] list.  All subject lines that don't meet that criteria would be
> > directed to "talk".  It might also serve to remind people (if they are
> > programmers -- they should be thinking logically anyway :)  to give some
> > thought to their question/comment ala Eric Raymond's famous "How to ask
> > a question" document.  This could be stated as a simple policy for
> > posting to the lists.
>
> This is certainly something we ineveitably want to arrive at (ie, when we
finally have our own mailing list system finalized) but with Mailman now I'm
not sure it's doable.  For now, unfortunately, the best we could do would be
to add another list, and concisely define posting guidelines for it, with
Talk being the catch-all list.
>
> I've had mixed responses as to whether adding another list is good or not,
so I still don't know what to do.  Perhaps we should be totally democratic
about it and have a vote?
>
> H
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>




From davevgl at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 26 09:45:02 2003
From: davevgl at yahoo.com (David Vogel)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 06:45:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] .htaccess and php includes
In-Reply-To: <20030905041801.GA11614@panix.com>
Message-ID: <20030926134502.11577.qmail@web14309.mail.yahoo.com>

Morning all,

I just tried a little test:  
>From a file in a public directory I included a file located in a file
that is restricted with .htaccess.  I was hoping that I might be asked
to authenticate, but instead the file was included normally.

So, is there any way to make php use apache's authentication in this
kind of situation?

Don't knock yourselves out over this, I should probably figure out a
different way to accomplish my goals here anyway, I was just curious.

Thanks,
Dave

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From pl at eskimo.com  Fri Sep 26 09:49:50 2003
From: pl at eskimo.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:49:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] .htaccess and php includes
References: <20030926134502.11577.qmail@web14309.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c38435$1e2ffb60$978dfea9@t9x6t1>

What do you want to do? Stop .inc files from being served?


Yours,
Peter L.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Vogel" <davevgl at yahoo.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 9:45 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] .htaccess and php includes


> Morning all,
> 
> I just tried a little test:  
> >From a file in a public directory I included a file located in a file
> that is restricted with .htaccess.  I was hoping that I might be asked
> to authenticate, but instead the file was included normally.
> 
> So, is there any way to make php use apache's authentication in this
> kind of situation?
> 
> Don't knock yourselves out over this, I should probably figure out a
> different way to accomplish my goals here anyway, I was just curious.
> 
> Thanks,
> Dave
> 
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From davevgl at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 26 09:57:22 2003
From: davevgl at yahoo.com (David Vogel)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 06:57:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] .htaccess and php includes
In-Reply-To: <000a01c38435$1e2ffb60$978dfea9@t9x6t1>
Message-ID: <20030926135722.19675.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com>

sorry:
a file located in a file
should have been
a file located in a dir.

that was probably obvious.

No, I need to set up public and private versions of a telephone
directory, and I was thinking that I might be able to branch my code to
include either a file in the original public dir or one (that would
display private fields) from a restricted dir.  Like I said, probably
not the best way to do it, just a first idea that made me wonder if you
can do this...

thanks,
Dave

--- Peter Lehrer <pl at eskimo.com> wrote:
> What do you want to do? Stop .inc files from being served?
> 
> 
> Yours,
> Peter L.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Vogel" <davevgl at yahoo.com>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 9:45 AM
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] .htaccess and php includes
> 
> 
> > Morning all,
> > 
> > I just tried a little test:  
> > >From a file in a public directory I included a file located in a
> file
> > that is restricted with .htaccess.  I was hoping that I might be
> asked
> > to authenticate, but instead the file was included normally.
> > 
> > So, is there any way to make php use apache's authentication in
> this
> > kind of situation?
> > 
> > Don't knock yourselves out over this, I should probably figure out
> a
> > different way to accomplish my goals here anyway, I was just
> curious.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Dave
> > 
> > __________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search
> > http://shopping.yahoo.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> > 
> _______________________________________________
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From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Fri Sep 26 10:14:50 2003
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:14:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] .htaccess and php includes
In-Reply-To: <20030926135722.19675.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000401c38438$8caae1b0$bf8d3818@OBERON1>

David,

You might want to re-think your strategy -- and look at how
you could protect your data instead of your code. You know,
let the code execute regardless of the access level of the
user. And make private numbers available only to the
suitable privileged users. 

T. Gales & Associates
Helping People Connect with Technology
http://www.tgaconnect.com

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of David
Vogel
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 9:57 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] .htaccess and php includes

sorry:
a file located in a file
should have been
a file located in a dir.

that was probably obvious.

No, I need to set up public and private versions of a
telephone
directory, and I was thinking that I might be able to branch
my code to
include either a file in the original public dir or one
(that would
display private fields) from a restricted dir.  Like I said,
probably
not the best way to do it, just a first idea that made me
wonder if you
can do this...

thanks,
Dave

--- Peter Lehrer <pl at eskimo.com> wrote:
> What do you want to do? Stop .inc files from being served?
> 
> 
> Yours,
> Peter L.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Vogel" <davevgl at yahoo.com>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 9:45 AM
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] .htaccess and php includes
> 
> 
> > Morning all,
> > 
> > I just tried a little test:  
> > >From a file in a public directory I included a file
located in a
> file
> > that is restricted with .htaccess.  I was hoping that I
might be
> asked
> > to authenticate, but instead the file was included
normally.
> > 
> > So, is there any way to make php use apache's
authentication in
> this
> > kind of situation?
> > 
> > Don't knock yourselves out over this, I should probably
figure out
> a
> > different way to accomplish my goals here anyway, I was
just
> curious.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Dave
> > 
> > __________________________________
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> > talk at lists.nyphp.org
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> > 
> _______________________________________________
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From cmerlo at ncc.edu  Fri Sep 26 10:17:02 2003
From: cmerlo at ncc.edu (Christopher R. Merlo)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:17:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] .htaccess and php includes
In-Reply-To: <20030926135722.19675.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <000a01c38435$1e2ffb60$978dfea9@t9x6t1>
	<20030926135722.19675.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030926141702.GA17002@ncc.edu>

On 2003-09-26 06:57 -0700, David Vogel <davevgl at yahoo.com> wrote:

> No, I need to set up public and private versions of a telephone
> directory, and I was thinking that I might be able to branch my code to
> include either a file in the original public dir or one (that would
> display private fields) from a restricted dir.  Like I said, probably
> not the best way to do it, just a first idea that made me wonder if you
> can do this...

Dave:
My first thought reading that paragraph was a database table with as
many data fields as you need, and a password field.

if( $row[ 'password' ] != "" ) // if the password isn't empty
{
    // Authenticate a user
} else {
    // This is public information
}

Now you can use one select query, and just decide based on one field
of the table.  That's what I do.

-- 
  cmerlo at ncc.edu             http://turing.matcmp.ncc.edu/~cmerlo

It seems a little silly now, but this country was founded as a protest
against taxation.


From davevgl at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 26 10:33:53 2003
From: davevgl at yahoo.com (David Vogel)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 07:33:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] .htaccess and php includes
In-Reply-To: <20030926141702.GA17002@ncc.edu>
Message-ID: <20030926143353.63404.qmail@web14308.mail.yahoo.com>

Yeah, something like that makes more sense.

thanks again,
Dave


--- "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo at ncc.edu> wrote:
> On 2003-09-26 06:57 -0700, David Vogel <davevgl at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > No, I need to set up public and private versions of a telephone
> > directory, and I was thinking that I might be able to branch my
> code to
> > include either a file in the original public dir or one (that would
> > display private fields) from a restricted dir.  Like I said,
> probably
> > not the best way to do it, just a first idea that made me wonder if
> you
> > can do this...
> 
> Dave:
> My first thought reading that paragraph was a database table with as
> many data fields as you need, and a password field.
> 
> if( $row[ 'password' ] != "" ) // if the password isn't empty
> {
>     // Authenticate a user
> } else {
>     // This is public information
> }
> 
> Now you can use one select query, and just decide based on one field
> of the table.  That's what I do.
> 
> -- 
>   cmerlo at ncc.edu             http://turing.matcmp.ncc.edu/~cmerlo
> 
> It seems a little silly now, but this country was founded as a
> protest
> against taxation.
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk


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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Fri Sep 26 10:50:48 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:50:48 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] .htaccess and php includes
In-Reply-To: <20030926134502.11577.qmail@web14309.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030905041801.GA11614@panix.com>
	<20030926134502.11577.qmail@web14309.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030926145047.GA13609@panix.com>

Hi David:

On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 06:45:02AM -0700, David Vogel wrote:
> 
> I just tried a little test:  
> From a file in a public directory I included a file located in a file
> that is restricted with .htaccess.  I was hoping that I might be asked
> to authenticate, but instead the file was included normally.

When a PHP script is executing and the script is asked to include files ON
YOUR server, those file accesses will be made via the operating system,
not the web server.  Thus, .htaccess has no role to play.

Enjoy,

--Dan

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From crisscott at netzero.com  Fri Sep 26 10:58:38 2003
From: crisscott at netzero.com (Scott Mattocks)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:58:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More Objects in Sessions
Message-ID: <3F74541E.2@netzero.com>

Hello,
Ok, so I have these objects that have other objects as attributes.  I 
can't get the second object to come out of the session properly.  I have 
tried using __sleep and __wakeup to serialize/unserialize but the object 
loses its methods and is pretty much useless.  I have a class method 
that can recreate the second object but it won't recreate it properly if 
called within the class itself.  ex:
// In the class definition
function __wakeup () {
	unset($this->secondObj);
	$this->createSecondObj();
	return array();
}  // This does not work!?

// In my script that uses object
$obj =& $_SESSION['obj'];
unset($obj->secondObj);
$obj->createSecondObj();  // Works fine but I don't like it!

Any ideas how to fix this?
Thanks,
Scott Mattocks



From jay at trans-city.com  Fri Sep 26 11:39:01 2003
From: jay at trans-city.com (Jay Greenspan)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:39:01 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] email list sign-up
In-Reply-To: <3F74541E.2@netzero.com>
Message-ID: <8D8B25B9-F037-11D7-8251-0003939BBBC2@trans-city.com>

I'm starting a site that's going to have a newsletter. I was planning 
on sending a confirmation to the users who give their email data, 
something that required them to click on a link to confirm their entry 
to the list. Something simple like:

You have signed up for the CollestSiteEver Newletter. To confirm, click 
below

http://example.com/emailsignup.php?id=randomizedstring


But I recently heard that this type of email was sure to get caught by 
spam filters on most major servers.

Anyone have experience with this? Tips?

thanks.

-j



From hans at nyphp.org  Fri Sep 26 11:44:19 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:44:19 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NYPHP List Reorganization?
In-Reply-To: <3F72DF09.6090503@nyphp.org>
References: <3F72DF09.6090503@nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3F745ED3.1000702@nyphp.org>


Out of about 15 posts on the topic, there's 30 different viewpoints, which is good. Thank you for the suggestions, now someone just make a decision :)

I'm not sure where the notion of an elite list came from, but a NYPHP-AMP would be nothing of the sort - it'd be simply a more poignant list for a specific set of topics.  However, as has correctly been pointed out, it'd probably take away from this list.

The "problem" that I suggested needed to be solved was not that of the occasional off-topic post; afterall, this is the "Talk list" and a community needs to communicate.  But, I do see a large turnover on subscriptions/unsubscriptions and I think it's important that those who are looking for a poignant technical resource be able to have it.  True, mail filtering makes this less of a problem, but one of the core reasons NYPHP exists is to help support PHP, etc. and make it easy for new users and experts alike to quickly find the resources they need.  It can be difficult enough to adopt/learn a new technology, without wading through a lot of email (whether it be off-topic or on).  I think NYPHP should be as accomodative as possible to users (afterall, PHP is brand new in the grand scheme of programming languages), while retaining a casual community atmosphere that has been NYPHP from the start.

I think the general consensus has been to *not* grow another list, but other, possibly better options, have surfaced.

Somethings to consider for future development:
   -- having the list be "subject line aware"
   -- maintain a listing of poingant answers/questions, allowing list regulars to refer others to them (a FAQ of sorts)
   -- build a repository of member's "Favorite Posts" or a "Top 10"
   -- integrating tips in posts, where people can mark sections of posts as valuable for future reference

These are fine ideas, and will be developed, but would certainly require some time before they can fully be implemented.

Two other topics, however, have been voiced in the past, and perhaps they're ready for primetime.  Web forums have come up a lot, but implementing them has gotten lost in the shuffle.  A few suggestions have been made:

-- http://www.phpbb.com
-- http://www.invisionboard.com
-- http://www.vbulletin.com

Of these, or others people have had a positive experience with, which could we go with?  Using a commercial product is fine since quality and functionality of the forum is paramount.  After we decide on a forum application, I'll look at getting it online.

Lastly, the notion of list guidelines and suggestions is something we're sorely lacking, and something almost all other lists have.  I have some ideas myself, but I'm sure others have better ideas on this than I.  Please contact me if you can pass on some ideas and suggestions for putting this together.

Thanks all,

Hans





From hans at nyphp.org  Fri Sep 26 11:45:53 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:45:53 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] email list sign-up
In-Reply-To: <8D8B25B9-F037-11D7-8251-0003939BBBC2@trans-city.com>
References: <8D8B25B9-F037-11D7-8251-0003939BBBC2@trans-city.com>
Message-ID: <3F745F31.7000005@nyphp.org>



Jay Greenspan wrote:

> I'm starting a site that's going to have a newsletter. I was planning on 
> sending a confirmation to the users who give their email data, something 
> that required them to click on a link to confirm their entry to the 
> list. Something simple like:
> 
> You have signed up for the CollestSiteEver Newletter. To confirm, click 
> below
> 
> http://example.com/emailsignup.php?id=randomizedstring
> 
> 
> But I recently heard that this type of email was sure to get caught by 
> spam filters on most major servers.
> 
> Anyone have experience with this? Tips?

Not too much help I'm afraid, but when I use my Yahoo! email account and get confirmation messages, they don't end up marked as spam.

H




From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Fri Sep 26 11:31:15 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:31:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] email list sign-up
References: <8D8B25B9-F037-11D7-8251-0003939BBBC2@trans-city.com>
Message-ID: <008a01c38443$39ed8ad0$8119fea9@thinkpad>

interesting ... most boards (like phpbb) would have the same problem if that
is the case ... i run a few + have not seen complaints ...

- jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Greenspan" <jay at trans-city.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 11:39 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] email list sign-up


> I'm starting a site that's going to have a newsletter. I was planning
> on sending a confirmation to the users who give their email data,
> something that required them to click on a link to confirm their entry
> to the list. Something simple like:
>
> You have signed up for the CollestSiteEver Newletter. To confirm, click
> below
>
> http://example.com/emailsignup.php?id=randomizedstring
>
>
> But I recently heard that this type of email was sure to get caught by
> spam filters on most major servers.
>
> Anyone have experience with this? Tips?
>
> thanks.
>
> -j
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>



From csnyder at chxo.com  Fri Sep 26 11:58:22 2003
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:58:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] email list sign-up
In-Reply-To: <8D8B25B9-F037-11D7-8251-0003939BBBC2@trans-city.com>
References: <8D8B25B9-F037-11D7-8251-0003939BBBC2@trans-city.com>
Message-ID: <3F74621E.3000801@chxo.com>

It's true that SpamAssassin will tag many messages of that type as spam.

Yet Mailman's confirmations, which are essentially the same thing, 
aren't tagged as spam. Take a look at a confirmation message from 
Mailman, such as you might receive when signing up for this list, and 
ask yourself why? Pay attention to the headers and the amount of 
information included in the message.

When you are ready to start testing your application, sign up for an 
email account that is protected by SpamAssassin, or use one of the many 
test scripts out there that will run an email through the filters to see 
how it scores. It isn't too hard to come up with an honest format. After 
all, this kind of opt-in is exactly what your application should be doing.

    csnyder

Jay Greenspan wrote:

> I'm starting a site that's going to have a newsletter. I was planning 
> on sending a confirmation to the users who give their email data, 
> something that required them to click on a link to confirm their entry 
> to the list. Something simple like:
>
> You have signed up for the CollestSiteEver Newletter. To confirm, 
> click below
>
> http://example.com/emailsignup.php?id=randomizedstring
>
>
> But I recently heard that this type of email was sure to get caught by 
> spam filters on most major servers.
>
> Anyone have experience with this? Tips?
>
> thanks.
>
> -j
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk




From cmerlo at ncc.edu  Fri Sep 26 12:01:21 2003
From: cmerlo at ncc.edu (Christopher R. Merlo)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:01:21 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] email list sign-up
In-Reply-To: <8D8B25B9-F037-11D7-8251-0003939BBBC2@trans-city.com>
References: <3F74541E.2@netzero.com>
	<8D8B25B9-F037-11D7-8251-0003939BBBC2@trans-city.com>
Message-ID: <20030926160121.GA17095@ncc.edu>

On 2003-09-26 11:39 -0400, Jay Greenspan <jay at trans-city.com> wrote:

> But I recently heard that this type of email was sure to get caught by 
> spam filters on most major servers.
> 
> Anyone have experience with this? Tips?

I do this exact thing when my students create accounts on my website.
Some, but not all, AOL users never get the e-mail.  I'm not quite sure
what causes this, whether it's me or AOL, but as far as I can tell,
AOL is the only domain where these messages don't get through.  The
script is at http://turing.matcmp.ncc.edu/~cmerlo/accounts/new.php, if
you want to look at the code.

-- 
  cmerlo at ncc.edu             http://turing.matcmp.ncc.edu/~cmerlo

It seems a little silly now, but this country was founded as a protest
against taxation.


From csnyder at chxo.com  Fri Sep 26 12:14:15 2003
From: csnyder at chxo.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:14:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] email list sign-up
In-Reply-To: <20030926160121.GA17095@ncc.edu>
References: <3F74541E.2@netzero.com>	<8D8B25B9-F037-11D7-8251-0003939BBBC2@trans-city.com>
	<20030926160121.GA17095@ncc.edu>
Message-ID: <3F7465D7.3040707@chxo.com>

Tried it, and my ISP says it probably isn't spam:

X-Spam-Report:  Content analysis details:   (score = -1.60, score threshold = 5)
  BAYES_30           (-1.6 points) BODY: Bayesian classifier says spam probability is 30 to 40%
  [score: 0.3935]

Not sure why AOL would reject it.

Some possible trouble spots that I've seen in other messages are the 
language "someone (possibly you)" and the URL with an  identifier that 
looks like an MD5 hash.

If you really want figure out what's going on, and you have some willing 
students with AOL accounts, you could try tweaking both of those to see 
if the messages go through without them.


Christopher R. Merlo wrote:

>I do this exact thing when my students create accounts on my website.
>Some, but not all, AOL users never get the e-mail.  I'm not quite sure
>what causes this, whether it's me or AOL, but as far as I can tell,
>AOL is the only domain where these messages don't get through.  The
>script is at http://turing.matcmp.ncc.edu/~cmerlo/accounts/new.php, if
>you want to look at the code.
>
>  
>



From dmintz at panix.com  Fri Sep 26 16:16:51 2003
From: dmintz at panix.com (David Mintz)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:16:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend IDE and CVS on Win32
In-Reply-To: <3F7465D7.3040707@chxo.com>
References: <3F74541E.2@netzero.com>
	<8D8B25B9-F037-11D7-8251-0003939BBBC2@trans-city.com>
	<20030926160121.GA17095@ncc.edu> <3F7465D7.3040707@chxo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0309261526260.1923@panix5.panix.com>


Anybody out there having luck with CVS and Zend 3.0 on a Windoze system? I
am using CVS 1.11. My Zend is installed in C:\Zend. My local repository is
F:\data\repository, and that's the setting I put in the CVS Root field of
the checkout dialog (it's also what my CVSROOT environment variable is set
to).

When I try checkout, I get:

 	cvs.exe [checkout aborted]: no such host F

Weird thing is, the first time I tried a checkout, it worked, but
I could not commit, so I started fiddling and now I can't checkout
either. Just for laughs I tried restarting Zend -- no dice.

I've tried different permutations of using my own cvs.exe rather than the
one in zend/bin; using forward slashes instead of backslashes; feeding it
a "-d F:\data\repository" switch.

I am otherwise able to use CVS with both WinCVS and the command line,
so it seems like the issue is with Zend. No luck with the Zend
documentations, forums, or Google.


Hope this ain't too OT. TIA.



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From dmintz at panix.com  Fri Sep 26 16:41:44 2003
From: dmintz at panix.com (David Mintz)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:41:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend IDE and CVS on Win32: SH*T!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0309261526260.1923@panix5.panix.com>
References: <3F74541E.2@netzero.com>
	<8D8B25B9-F037-11D7-8251-0003939BBBC2@trans-city.com>
	<20030926160121.GA17095@ncc.edu> <3F7465D7.3040707@chxo.com>
	<Pine.NEB.4.58.0309261526260.1923@panix5.panix.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0309261637400.1923@panix5.panix.com>


Nevermind.

I figured it out (I think). Gotta use Unix style paths. Duh, no wonder it
was giving me a hard time about "host" when it saw the colon.

Surely there must be some syntax to make it happy... file://blablabla/bla
perhaps. Otherwise, you have to have your zend/cvs and your local
repository on the same partition if you're on Win32.

Sorry for the trouble.


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From dmintz at panix.com  Fri Sep 26 17:18:00 2003
From: dmintz at panix.com (David Mintz)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:18:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More Objects in Sessions
In-Reply-To: <3F74541E.2@netzero.com>
References: <3F74541E.2@netzero.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0309261711410.1923@panix5.panix.com>


Scott,

It's hard for me to guess given my experience level and the amount of info
provided, so I tried to reproduce the problem just for kicks (I need to up
my karmic bank balance here anyway (-: ), and there was no problem. It
occurs to me to suggest that you be sure to pass in your objects by
reference, and also assign them by reference. Here's a snippet by way of
example. (btw I'm told that in PHP 5 objects will be passed by reference
automatically.) HTH.

<?php
class Thing {

	var $attribute;
	function Thing(&$attribute)  {
		$this->attribute =& $attribute;
	}

}

class Attribute {

	var $whatever = "I'm an attribute";

	function wassup() {
		echo "wassup yo?\n<";
	}
}

session_start();

if (isset($_SESSION['thing'])) {
	$thing =& $_SESSION['thing'];
	echo "there's a thing in the session";
} else {
	echo "there's no thing in the session. so let's make one... ";
	$attrib = new Attribute();
	$thing = new Thing($attrib);
	$_SESSION['thing'] =& $thing;
}
?>
<pre><?php print_r($thing); ?>
Testing thing's attribute's wassup method:
<?=$thing->attribute->wassup() ?>
</pre>
<? //session_destroy(); ?>

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Scott Mattocks wrote:

> Hello,
> Ok, so I have these objects that have other objects as attributes.  I
> can't get the second object to come out of the session properly.  I have
> tried using __sleep and __wakeup to serialize/unserialize but the object
> loses its methods and is pretty much useless.  I have a class method
> that can recreate the second object but it won't recreate it properly if
> called within the class itself.  ex:
> <snip />


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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Fri Sep 26 16:48:28 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff Siegel)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:48:28 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend IDE and CVS on Win32
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0309261526260.1923@panix5.panix.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c3846f$89cfd040$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

I haven't even gotten that far. Yesterday I had thought I had licked the
problem I was having with the IDE (didn't seem to want to read my
keystrokes...trouble shutting down, etc.) but it seemed that the longer
the app was running the more likely the problems would resurface.
So....I ended up uninstalling it for now and going back to ver. 2.6. 

Jeff Siegel

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of David Mintz
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 3:17 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Zend IDE and CVS on Win32



Anybody out there having luck with CVS and Zend 3.0 on a Windoze system?
I
am using CVS 1.11. My Zend is installed in C:\Zend. My local repository
is
F:\data\repository, and that's the setting I put in the CVS Root field
of
the checkout dialog (it's also what my CVSROOT environment variable is
set
to).

When I try checkout, I get:

 	cvs.exe [checkout aborted]: no such host F

Weird thing is, the first time I tried a checkout, it worked, but
I could not commit, so I started fiddling and now I can't checkout
either. Just for laughs I tried restarting Zend -- no dice.

I've tried different permutations of using my own cvs.exe rather than
the
one in zend/bin; using forward slashes instead of backslashes; feeding
it
a "-d F:\data\repository" switch.

I am otherwise able to use CVS with both WinCVS and the command line,
so it seems like the issue is with Zend. No luck with the Zend
documentations, forums, or Google.


Hope this ain't too OT. TIA.



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From dan at mx2pro.com  Sat Sep 27 01:07:12 2003
From: dan at mx2pro.com (Dan Horning)
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 01:07:12 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NYPHP List Reorganization?
In-Reply-To: <3F745ED3.1000702@nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000a01c384b5$384181b0$c71f9942@dwchome>

Vbulletin is the bast way out of that list
Let me know if you need help installing

- Dan Horning
1-866-284-3150 (Toll-Free)
President:
     Technical Evangelism &
     Media Systems Administration
MX2 Productions
     Media from concept to execution.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org 
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Hans Zaunere
> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 11:44 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] NYPHP List Reorganization?
> 
> 
> 
> Out of about 15 posts on the topic, there's 30 different 
> viewpoints, which is good. Thank you for the suggestions, now 
> someone just make a decision :)
> 
> I'm not sure where the notion of an elite list came from, but 
> a NYPHP-AMP would be nothing of the sort - it'd be simply a 
> more poignant list for a specific set of topics.  However, as 
> has correctly been pointed out, it'd probably take away from 
> this list.
> 
> The "problem" that I suggested needed to be solved was not 
> that of the occasional off-topic post; afterall, this is the 
> "Talk list" and a community needs to communicate.  But, I do 
> see a large turnover on subscriptions/unsubscriptions and I 
> think it's important that those who are looking for a 
> poignant technical resource be able to have it.  True, mail 
> filtering makes this less of a problem, but one of the core 
> reasons NYPHP exists is to help support PHP, etc. and make it 
> easy for new users and experts alike to quickly find the 
> resources they need.  It can be difficult enough to 
> adopt/learn a new technology, without wading through a lot of 
> email (whether it be off-topic or on).  I think NYPHP should 
> be as accomodative as possible to users (afterall, PHP is 
> brand new in the grand scheme of programming languages), 
> while retaining a casual community atmosphere that has been 
> NYPHP from the start.
> 
> I think the general consensus has been to *not* grow another 
> list, but other, possibly better options, have surfaced.
> 
> Somethings to consider for future development:
>    -- having the list be "subject line aware"
>    -- maintain a listing of poingant answers/questions, 
> allowing list regulars to refer others to them (a FAQ of sorts)
>    -- build a repository of member's "Favorite Posts" or a "Top 10"
>    -- integrating tips in posts, where people can mark 
> sections of posts as valuable for future reference
> 
> These are fine ideas, and will be developed, but would 
> certainly require some time before they can fully be implemented.
> 
> Two other topics, however, have been voiced in the past, and 
> perhaps they're ready for primetime.  Web forums have come up 
> a lot, but implementing them has gotten lost in the shuffle.  
> A few suggestions have been made:
> 
> -- http://www.phpbb.com
> -- http://www.invisionboard.com
> -- http://www.vbulletin.com
> 
> Of these, or others people have had a positive experience 
> with, which could we go with?  Using a commercial product is 
> fine since quality and functionality of the forum is 
> paramount.  After we decide on a forum application, I'll look 
> at getting it online.
> 
> Lastly, the notion of list guidelines and suggestions is 
> something we're sorely lacking, and something almost all 
> other lists have.  I have some ideas myself, but I'm sure 
> others have better ideas on this than I.  Please contact me 
> if you can pass on some ideas and suggestions for putting 
> this together.
> 
> Thanks all,
> 
> Hans
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> talk at lists.nyphp.org
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 



From dan at cain.sh  Sat Sep 27 13:57:38 2003
From: dan at cain.sh (Daniel J Cain Jr.)
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:57:38 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] AMP comments
In-Reply-To: <000d01c38393$b519bd60$bf8d3818@OBERON1>
References: <000d01c38393$b519bd60$bf8d3818@OBERON1>
Message-ID: <1064685458.5025.23.camel@gigabeast.home.cain.sh>

On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 13:34, Tim Gales wrote:
> Perhaps we could have a web page, and ask people to read it
> before signing up.

It might be useful to provide info in a "Welcome to the NYPHP mailing
list" upon signing up to the list.  I am by no means an expert in
netiquette and would find it helpful to read some information how to
effectively use the mailing list as an 'additional' resource.

Not to insult the readers intelligence nor scare off newer users from
even posting to the list.  But maybe info on how to trim response posts
for readability and how to effectively ask questions (steps taken
already, code examples, etc.).

Just a thought that occurred to me while reading Tim's response.  I'll
leave it to the mailing list veterans to fill in any blanks or
oversights.



From velez at sinu.com  Sun Sep 28 14:12:39 2003
From: velez at sinu.com (Larry Velez)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 14:12:39 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] We just launched a sizable all PHP site
In-Reply-To: <BB87CD6A.FE13%stephen@musgrave.org>
Message-ID: <000f01c385ec$1ab2fe20$0e0ea8c0@therealm>


Hey PHPers,

Just thought you guys would like to glance at a sizable all PHP site we just launched through our entronic brand.  It incorporates
use of Flash talking to PHP and MYSQL.

http://www.warburgrealty.com

| Larry Velez | http://sinu.com |



From soazine at erols.com  Mon Sep 29 01:30:29 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 01:30:29 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP and Cookies.. AGAIN!
Message-ID: <0df401c3864a$cc82ec60$67a76244@philofsoa>

ok I have a question maybe this might help
if you have $_COOKIE['nordicnet_registration'] that is a session cookie in path '/' 
 you also have a cookie $_COOKIE['nordicnet_bestilling'] that is a 24-hour timed cookie in path '/'
what is the behavior of BOTH cookies?

I need to know this because the scope of the "bestilling" cookie is to be a 24-hour timed cookie used in the shopping cart process.  However, the scope of the cookie has been erratic.  If I as a user order an item, it adds it to my cart db, however, the bestilling_id is not the correct value; it turns out to be the value of the deleted cookie of the prior session!

Can someone help make sense out of this?  I am having cookie trouble again in PHP.

Phil
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From soazine at erols.com  Mon Sep 29 02:41:03 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 02:41:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] shopping cart help
Message-ID: <0e3301c38654$a7329230$67a76244@philofsoa>

I need a back-to-basics shopping cart tutorial in PHP/mySQL.  I thought I had it down and I failed, as usual. Here is what I mapped out as a spec:

3) initial work on bestilling.php to contain the following plan:

 1) Cookie: 'nordicnet_bestilling' to contain unique, random 16-char string
 2) Table: nnet_produkt_bestilling to contain ordering information bundled by
           unique bestilling_id (16-char string)
  a) produkt_id
  b) farge_id
  c) storrelse_id
  d) quantity ordered
  e) bestilling_id
  f) nordicnet_registration_number
 3) *PROPOSAL* To make cookie a timed cookie - if user does not check out in X hours
    the cookie will be deleted
 4) *PROPOSAL* CRON-based PHP script to systemically wipe out any stray rows in
    nnet_produkt_bestilling that have not yet been checked out
 5) Idea plan for bestilling:
  a) User will order produkt in vis_varegruppen.php
  b) bestilling.php will do server-side checking of produkt, farge, storrelse
     and quantity based upon entry in nnet_produkt_farge_storrelse_assoc
  c) bestilling.php will then check if $_COOKIE['nordicnet_bestilling'] 
     already exists (meaning you have an order # - or, a cart ('bestill')
  d) If you have a cart then check if there is already a row in
     nnet_produkt_bestilling with same produkt_id/farge_id/storrelse_id with your
     matching bestilling_id
  e) If so then increase quantity ordered by the quantity you ordered and check
     quantity totals against nnet_produkt_farge_storrelse_assoc
  f) If NOT then add new row with produkt_id, farge_id, storrelse_id and
     quantity with your bestilling_id and registration number
  g) -- If you do NOT have a cart (no cookie) then generate a new cart (bestilling)
     id into a cookie
  h) If other people ordered the same item be sure to check their quantities
     ordered against yours and what is in stock before proceeding

So far this is what happens:

1) I enter products into the cart
2) If I delete items from the cart, they can be deleted; if I delete all items from my cart, the cart cookie is deleted, I think.
3) I try to re-enter the same item into the cart, it inserts into the db w/ a NULL value for 'nnet_user_bestilling_id' which is
    the cart id (which it's not supposed to do) and browser-side logic fails, you get the wrong screen and all kinds of garbage I cannot even go into because it's in Norwegian

I have tried for nearly 24 hours to build a cart and I can't seem to get it done.  I really need some help.

Phil
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From tom at supertom.com  Mon Sep 29 07:43:50 2003
From: tom at supertom.com (Tom)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:43:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] LIPHP meeting Monday 9/29 @ 8pm
Message-ID: <NFEJJFJPCKACHAAMIAHNEEKDEDAA.tom@supertom.com>

Hey folks,

LIPHP will be meeting tomorrow, 9/29/2003, at 8pm in Hauppauge.  This is the
first month of our new day and time (we are now the last MONDAY of every
month @ 8PM).  In addition, this month (and this month only) we are meeting
at headquarters of Bascom Global Internet Services, Inc. (also in
Hauppauge), so they may give us a demonstration of their products which
utilize PHP.  Directions to Bascom are here:

http://www.bascom.com/contactus.shtml

Or, you may just come to usually meeting place at Desktop Solutions, and we
may all go together.  If you choose to meet me at  Desktop Solutions, please
be there by 7:40 the latest, so we may get to Bascom on time.  Directions to
Desktop Solutions and other LIPHP info is here:

http://www.liphp.org/


Thanks to Bob and everyone at Bascom for inviting us in for the
demonstration.  Please reply to the list or me directly just so we can get a
general idea of how many will attend.  Our favorite attendee, Krispy Kremes,
will, of course, attend. :-)

Both newbies and veterans alike are always welcome, and we will still be
fielding/talking about all things PHP at this meeting, so come on down!

See you tomorrow,

Tom



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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Mon Sep 29 08:01:36 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:01:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] shopping cart help
References: <0e3301c38654$a7329230$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <003d01c38681$6eefd360$0200a8c0@thinkpad>

Use oscommerce.com w/ Norwegian Language pack :-)
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/tep/tep_language_norwegian-pr2.1.tar.gz

- (sorry, not much help) jon
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Phil Powell 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 2:41 AM
  Subject: [nycphp-talk] shopping cart help


  I need a back-to-basics shopping cart tutorial in PHP/mySQL.  I thought I had it down and I failed, as usual. Here is what I mapped out as a spec:

  3) initial work on bestilling.php to contain the following plan:

   1) Cookie: 'nordicnet_bestilling' to contain unique, random 16-char string
   2) Table: nnet_produkt_bestilling to contain ordering information bundled by
             unique bestilling_id (16-char string)
    a) produkt_id
    b) farge_id
    c) storrelse_id
    d) quantity ordered
    e) bestilling_id
    f) nordicnet_registration_number
   3) *PROPOSAL* To make cookie a timed cookie - if user does not check out in X hours
      the cookie will be deleted
   4) *PROPOSAL* CRON-based PHP script to systemically wipe out any stray rows in
      nnet_produkt_bestilling that have not yet been checked out
   5) Idea plan for bestilling:
    a) User will order produkt in vis_varegruppen.php
    b) bestilling.php will do server-side checking of produkt, farge, storrelse
       and quantity based upon entry in nnet_produkt_farge_storrelse_assoc
    c) bestilling.php will then check if $_COOKIE['nordicnet_bestilling'] 
       already exists (meaning you have an order # - or, a cart ('bestill')
    d) If you have a cart then check if there is already a row in
       nnet_produkt_bestilling with same produkt_id/farge_id/storrelse_id with your
       matching bestilling_id
    e) If so then increase quantity ordered by the quantity you ordered and check
       quantity totals against nnet_produkt_farge_storrelse_assoc
    f) If NOT then add new row with produkt_id, farge_id, storrelse_id and
       quantity with your bestilling_id and registration number
    g) -- If you do NOT have a cart (no cookie) then generate a new cart (bestilling)
       id into a cookie
    h) If other people ordered the same item be sure to check their quantities
       ordered against yours and what is in stock before proceeding

  So far this is what happens:

  1) I enter products into the cart
  2) If I delete items from the cart, they can be deleted; if I delete all items from my cart, the cart cookie is deleted, I think.
  3) I try to re-enter the same item into the cart, it inserts into the db w/ a NULL value for 'nnet_user_bestilling_id' which is
      the cart id (which it's not supposed to do) and browser-side logic fails, you get the wrong screen and all kinds of garbage I cannot even go into because it's in Norwegian

  I have tried for nearly 24 hours to build a cart and I can't seem to get it done.  I really need some help.

  Phil


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From dan at mx2pro.com  Mon Sep 29 11:29:37 2003
From: dan at mx2pro.com (Dan Horning)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:29:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] shopping cart help
In-Reply-To: <003d01c38681$6eefd360$0200a8c0@thinkpad>
Message-ID: <000a01c3869e$80a222d0$f60f9942@dwchome>

jon that'd be nice .. but it's entirely a custom cart/store / everything
system
i asked that to phil a while back

- Dan Horning
1-866-284-3150 (Toll-Free)
President:
     Technical Evangelism &
     Media Systems Administration
MX2 Productions
     Media from concept to execution. 

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of jon baer
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 8:02 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] shopping cart help


Use oscommerce.com w/ Norwegian Language pack :-)
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/tep/tep_language_norwegian-pr2.1.tar.
gz
 
- (sorry, not much help) jon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Phil Powell <mailto:soazine at erols.com>  
To: NYPHP Talk <mailto:talk at lists.nyphp.org>  
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 2:41 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] shopping cart help

I need a back-to-basics shopping cart tutorial in PHP/mySQL.  I thought
I had it down and I failed, as usual. Here is what I mapped out as a
spec:
 
3) initial work on bestilling.php to contain the following plan:
 
 1) Cookie: 'nordicnet_bestilling' to contain unique, random 16-char
string
 2) Table: nnet_produkt_bestilling to contain ordering information
bundled by
           unique bestilling_id (16-char string)
  a) produkt_id
  b) farge_id
  c) storrelse_id
  d) quantity ordered
  e) bestilling_id
  f) nordicnet_registration_number
 3) *PROPOSAL* To make cookie a timed cookie - if user does not check
out in X hours
    the cookie will be deleted
 4) *PROPOSAL* CRON-based PHP script to systemically wipe out any stray
rows in
    nnet_produkt_bestilling that have not yet been checked out
 5) Idea plan for bestilling:
  a) User will order produkt in vis_varegruppen.php
  b) bestilling.php will do server-side checking of produkt, farge,
storrelse
     and quantity based upon entry in nnet_produkt_farge_storrelse_assoc
  c) bestilling.php will then check if $_COOKIE['nordicnet_bestilling'] 
     already exists (meaning you have an order # - or, a cart
('bestill')
  d) If you have a cart then check if there is already a row in
     nnet_produkt_bestilling with same produkt_id/farge_id/storrelse_id
with your
     matching bestilling_id
  e) If so then increase quantity ordered by the quantity you ordered
and check
     quantity totals against nnet_produkt_farge_storrelse_assoc
  f) If NOT then add new row with produkt_id, farge_id, storrelse_id and
     quantity with your bestilling_id and registration number
  g) -- If you do NOT have a cart (no cookie) then generate a new cart
(bestilling)
     id into a cookie
  h) If other people ordered the same item be sure to check their
quantities
     ordered against yours and what is in stock before proceeding
 
So far this is what happens:
 
1) I enter products into the cart
2) If I delete items from the cart, they can be deleted; if I delete all
items from my cart, the cart cookie is deleted, I think.
3) I try to re-enter the same item into the cart, it inserts into the db
w/ a NULL value for 'nnet_user_bestilling_id' which is
    the cart id (which it's not supposed to do) and browser-side logic
fails, you get the wrong screen and all kinds of garbage I cannot even
go into because it's in Norwegian
 
I have tried for nearly 24 hours to build a cart and I can't seem to get
it done.  I really need some help.
 
Phil



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From sklar at sklar.com  Mon Sep 29 11:30:36 2003
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:30:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Need Hardware for PHP Code Cache / Accelerator
	Benchmarking
Message-ID: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJOEFBGMAA.sklar@sklar.com>

One of the books that I'm writing right now has a section on PHP code caches
/ accelerators. I'd like to include some comparative benchmarks in the book
that explore the performance of the different accelerators in various
circumstances.

To do the benchmarking properly, though, I need some computers that I don't
have, namely a relatively beefy server on a network with a bunch of client
computers that can bombard the server with requests. Perhaps someone has a
setup like this that I could run some benchmarks on?

I am most interested in the relative performance of the accelerators, not
their absolute performance, so the server doesn't have to be anything really
beefy, just powerful enough that it doesn't run into problems that are
unlikely in the real world (like swapping web server processes to disk when
handling five simultaneous requests).

The server should be running Linux (although the presence of a Windows
server as well would be a bonus) and the client computers can be running
just about anything, as long as they can handle one of the zillion web
stress tools out there. The server must be configurable so that while the
benchmarks are running, there are no other variable-load programs running
(i.e. a mail, DNS, or active web server is no good.) Remote (ssh) access to
the machines would be most convenient for me, but if you're in Manhattan,
on-site access is OK, too. I can pay you in thanks, acknowledgement in the
book, and a free copy or three of the book.

Thanks (in advance :),
David



From sailer at bnl.gov  Mon Sep 29 11:51:12 2003
From: sailer at bnl.gov (Tim Sailer)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:51:12 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Need Hardware for PHP Code Cache / Accelerator
	Benchmarking
In-Reply-To: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJOEFBGMAA.sklar@sklar.com>
References: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJOEFBGMAA.sklar@sklar.com>
Message-ID: <20030929155112.GB7424@bnl.gov>

On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 11:30:36AM -0400, David Sklar wrote:
> The server should be running Linux (although the presence of a Windows
> server as well would be a bonus) and the client computers can be running
> just about anything, as long as they can handle one of the zillion web
> stress tools out there. The server must be configurable so that while the
> benchmarks are running, there are no other variable-load programs running
> (i.e. a mail, DNS, or active web server is no good.) Remote (ssh) access to
> the machines would be most convenient for me, but if you're in Manhattan,
> on-site access is OK, too. I can pay you in thanks, acknowledgement in the
> book, and a free copy or three of the book.

Let me see if I can get you access to an intranet I help manage. The
web farm is all copper Gig-E, the 3 main servers are dual Xeons with
scsi-3 disk subsystems, and 2G RAM. I believe that I can get access to
a part of the compute farm for clients, possibly 100-150 nodes, 100Mb connections.
I'll know in 24 hrs if I can get past corporate politics in this particular
case. Too bad I couldn't get you access here at BNL. There's a linux farm
with about 1500 nodes... :)

Tim

-- 
Tim Sailer <sailer at bnl.gov> 
Information and Special Technologies Program
Office of CounterIntelligence 
Brookhaven National Laboratory  (631) 344-3001


From enunez at tiaa-cref.org  Mon Sep 29 12:54:55 2003
From: enunez at tiaa-cref.org (Nunez, Eddy)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:54:55 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] We just launched a sizable all PHP site
Message-ID: <7CE0EC1FC2D0D411910700508BE38D0F0A6D9D59@msxnyusr01.msx.ops.tiaa-cref.org>


Very nice, reminds me of my old days at working for
New York Realty dot com.   It was straight PHP with Oracle.

Too bad the company laid me off and other developers.  They were
one of the very first sites on the web giving this kind of service
to New York area.

Hope your service does better. G'luck!

-Eddy Nu?ez

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Velez [mailto:velez at sinu.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 2:13 PM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: [nycphp-talk] We just launched a sizable all PHP site



Hey PHPers,

Just thought you guys would like to glance at a sizable all PHP site we just
launched through our entronic brand.  It incorporates
use of Flash talking to PHP and MYSQL.

http://www.warburgrealty.com

| Larry Velez | http://sinu.com |

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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Mon Sep 29 17:36:00 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:36:00 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] KSES 0.2.1 : XHTML filter in PHP
Message-ID: <000b01c386d1$ad654d50$0200a8c0@thinkpad>

----- Original Message -----
From: <H?rnhammar>; "Ulf" <Ulf.Harnhammar.9485 at student.uu.se>
To: <full-disclosure at lists.netsys.com>
Cc: <bugtraq at securityfocus.com>
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 4:08 PM
Subject: [ANNOUNCE] kses 0.2.1


> kses 0.2.1
> ==========
>
>
> kses is an HTML/XHTML filter written in PHP. It removes all unwanted HTML
> elements and attributes, no matter how malformed HTML input you give it.
> It also does several checks on attribute values. kses can be used to avoid
> Cross-Site Scripting (XSS), Buffer Overflows and Denial of Service
attacks,
> among other things.
>
> The program is released under the terms of the GNU General Public License.
You
> should look into what that means, before using kses in your programs.
>
>
> * FEATURES *
>
>
> Some of kses' current features are:
>
> * It will only allow the HTML elements and attributes that it was
explicitly
> told to allow.
>
> * Element and attribute names are case-insensitive (a href vs A HREF).
>
> * It will understand and process whitespace correctly.
>
> * Attribute values can be surrounded with quotes, apostrophes or nothing.
>
> * It will accept valueless attributes with just names and no values
(selected).
>
> * It will accept XHTML's closing " /" marks.
>
> * Attribute values that are surrounded with nothing will get quotes to
avoid
> producing non-W3C conforming HTML
> (<a href=http://sourceforge.net/projects/kses> works but isn't valid
HTML).
>
> * It handles lots of types of malformed HTML, by interpreting the existing
> code the best it can and then rebuilding new code from it. That's a better
> approach than trying to process existing code, as you're bound to forget
about
> some weird special case somewhere. It handles problems like never-ending
> quotes and tags gracefully.
>
> * It will remove additional "<" and ">" characters that people may try to
> sneak in somewhere.
>
> * It supports checking attribute values for minimum/maximum length and
> minimum/maximum value, to protect against Buffer Overflows and Denial of
> Service attacks against WWW clients and various servers. You can stop
> <iframe src= width= height=> from having too high values for width and
height,
> for instance.
>
> * It has got a system for whitelisting URL protocols. You can say that
> attribute values may only start with http:, https:, ftp: and gopher:, but
no
> other URL protocols (javascript:, java:, about:, telnet:..). The functions
that
> do this work handle whitespace, upper/lower case, HTML entities
> ("jav&#97;script:") and repeated entries
("javascript:javascript:alert(57)").
> It also normalizes HTML entities as a nice side effect.
>
> * It removes Netscape 4's JavaScript entities ("&{alert(57)};").
>
> * It handles NULL bytes and Opera's chr(173) whitespace characters.
>
> * There is both a procedural version and an object-oriented version of
kses.
>
>
> * NEW IN 0.2.1 *
>
>
> The 0.2.1 release adds a new object-oriented version of kses, three new
> attribute value checks (minlen, minval and valueless), a work-around for
an
> Opera "feature" that treats chr(173) as whitespace, and some other minor
> changes.
>
>
> * HOMEPAGE *
>
>
> Download kses and subscribe to its kses-general mailing list at
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/kses ..
>
>
> * IRC KIDDIES *
>
>
> K: h3y u wr0t3 ab0ut xss and n0t buff3r 0v3rfl0wz, s0 ur n0t truly
31337!!!
>    haha! ph3ar my 31337 3gr3p(1) sk1llzZz!!!!11!1!!1
>
> U: Virgin.
>
>
> --
> Ulf H?rnhammar, student, Uppsala Universitet
> "Did you ever fall in love? / For a quarter of an hour or above?"
> -- Ladytron, "Another Breakfast with You"
> P? spaning efter den webbransch som flytt
>  http://home.student.uu.se/ulha9485/text/webbransch.html
>
>



From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Mon Sep 29 19:32:22 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:32:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php etc in SecurityFocus Newsletter #216 
Message-ID: <20030929233221.GA573@panix.com>

-------------------
INTERESTING ARTICLE
-------------------
3. The Subpoenas are Coming!
By  Mark Rasch

Citing a provision of the Patriot Act, the FBI is sending letters to
journalists telling them to secretly prepare to turn over their notes, e-
mails and sources to the bureau. Should we throw out the First Amendment
to nail a hacker?

http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/187


---------
PHP VULNS
---------
myPHPNuke auth.inc.php SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/8663


--Dan

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From soazine at erols.com  Mon Sep 29 22:29:46 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 22:29:46 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] shopping cart help
References: <0e3301c38654$a7329230$67a76244@philofsoa>
	<003d01c38681$6eefd360$0200a8c0@thinkpad>
Message-ID: <02f901c386fa$b6f6a7f0$67a76244@philofsoa>

Dan's right, it's totally having to be custom-built due to the unusual nature of the site and all, not to mention the learning curve I would have to endure to use oscommerce anyway.

It's coming along ok now a few bugs here and there to fix up; again, proving that my "hammering process" in learning will eventually pay off; I can't even explain what I did to fix the cart!

Phil
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jon baer 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 8:01 AM
  Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] shopping cart help


  Use oscommerce.com w/ Norwegian Language pack :-)
  http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/tep/tep_language_norwegian-pr2.1.tar.gz

  - (sorry, not much help) jon
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Phil Powell 
    To: NYPHP Talk 
    Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 2:41 AM
    Subject: [nycphp-talk] shopping cart help


    I need a back-to-basics shopping cart tutorial in PHP/mySQL.  I thought I had it down and I failed, as usual. Here is what I mapped out as a spec:

    3) initial work on bestilling.php to contain the following plan:

     1) Cookie: 'nordicnet_bestilling' to contain unique, random 16-char string
     2) Table: nnet_produkt_bestilling to contain ordering information bundled by
               unique bestilling_id (16-char string)
      a) produkt_id
      b) farge_id
      c) storrelse_id
      d) quantity ordered
      e) bestilling_id
      f) nordicnet_registration_number
     3) *PROPOSAL* To make cookie a timed cookie - if user does not check out in X hours
        the cookie will be deleted
     4) *PROPOSAL* CRON-based PHP script to systemically wipe out any stray rows in
        nnet_produkt_bestilling that have not yet been checked out
     5) Idea plan for bestilling:
      a) User will order produkt in vis_varegruppen.php
      b) bestilling.php will do server-side checking of produkt, farge, storrelse
         and quantity based upon entry in nnet_produkt_farge_storrelse_assoc
      c) bestilling.php will then check if $_COOKIE['nordicnet_bestilling'] 
         already exists (meaning you have an order # - or, a cart ('bestill')
      d) If you have a cart then check if there is already a row in
         nnet_produkt_bestilling with same produkt_id/farge_id/storrelse_id with your
         matching bestilling_id
      e) If so then increase quantity ordered by the quantity you ordered and check
         quantity totals against nnet_produkt_farge_storrelse_assoc
      f) If NOT then add new row with produkt_id, farge_id, storrelse_id and
         quantity with your bestilling_id and registration number
      g) -- If you do NOT have a cart (no cookie) then generate a new cart (bestilling)
         id into a cookie
      h) If other people ordered the same item be sure to check their quantities
         ordered against yours and what is in stock before proceeding

    So far this is what happens:

    1) I enter products into the cart
    2) If I delete items from the cart, they can be deleted; if I delete all items from my cart, the cart cookie is deleted, I think.
    3) I try to re-enter the same item into the cart, it inserts into the db w/ a NULL value for 'nnet_user_bestilling_id' which is
        the cart id (which it's not supposed to do) and browser-side logic fails, you get the wrong screen and all kinds of garbage I cannot even go into because it's in Norwegian

    I have tried for nearly 24 hours to build a cart and I can't seem to get it done.  I really need some help.

    Phil


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From soazine at erols.com  Tue Sep 30 00:31:26 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 00:31:26 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Need mini-code review
Message-ID: <039801c3870b$b6da3690$67a76244@philofsoa>

$sql = 'DELETE FROM nnet_produkt_bestilling ' .
          'WHERE nnet_produkt_placement > ' .
          'nnet_produkt_placement + \'' . date("Y-m-d H:i:s", time() + $maxCartTime) . '\'';

This is supposed to delete all rows in nnet_produkt_bestilling whose value in the field nnet_produkt_placement is more than $maxCartTime seconds old ($maxCartTime, in this case = 86400 seconds, or 24 hours).  I am unsure if this is the correct syntax using mySQL to do such an action upon a DATETIME field column datatype, so if someone could look that over and see how far out of the ballpark I really am I'd appreciate it.

Thanx
Phil
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From dorgan at optonline.net  Tue Sep 30 00:58:45 2003
From: dorgan at optonline.net (Donald J. Organ IV)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 00:58:45 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Need mini-code review
References: <039801c3870b$b6da3690$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <009301c3870f$86d65b00$c801a8c0@dj>

try this:

$sql = "DELETE FROM nnet_produkt_bestilling WHERE nnet_produkt_placement > nnet_produkt_placement + '' . date("Y-m-d H:i:s", time() + $maxCartTime);
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Phil Powell 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 12:31 AM
  Subject: [nycphp-talk] Need mini-code review


  $sql = 'DELETE FROM nnet_produkt_bestilling ' .
            'WHERE nnet_produkt_placement > ' .
            'nnet_produkt_placement + \'' . date("Y-m-d H:i:s", time() + $maxCartTime) . '\'';

  This is supposed to delete all rows in nnet_produkt_bestilling whose value in the field nnet_produkt_placement is more than $maxCartTime seconds old ($maxCartTime, in this case = 86400 seconds, or 24 hours).  I am unsure if this is the correct syntax using mySQL to do such an action upon a DATETIME field column datatype, so if someone could look that over and see how far out of the ballpark I really am I'd appreciate it.

  Thanx
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From soazine at erols.com  Tue Sep 30 01:28:39 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 01:28:39 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Need mini-code review
References: <039801c3870b$b6da3690$67a76244@philofsoa>
	<009301c3870f$86d65b00$c801a8c0@dj>
Message-ID: <041501c38713$b4cc1d70$67a76244@philofsoa>

Thanx, but I don't understand the difference between yours and mine, they look identical.

Phil
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Donald J. Organ IV 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 12:58 AM
  Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Need mini-code review


  try this:

  $sql = "DELETE FROM nnet_produkt_bestilling WHERE nnet_produkt_placement > nnet_produkt_placement + '' . date("Y-m-d H:i:s", time() + $maxCartTime);
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Phil Powell 
    To: NYPHP Talk 
    Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 12:31 AM
    Subject: [nycphp-talk] Need mini-code review


    $sql = 'DELETE FROM nnet_produkt_bestilling ' .
              'WHERE nnet_produkt_placement > ' .
              'nnet_produkt_placement + \'' . date("Y-m-d H:i:s", time() + $maxCartTime) . '\'';

    This is supposed to delete all rows in nnet_produkt_bestilling whose value in the field nnet_produkt_placement is more than $maxCartTime seconds old ($maxCartTime, in this case = 86400 seconds, or 24 hours).  I am unsure if this is the correct syntax using mySQL to do such an action upon a DATETIME field column datatype, so if someone could look that over and see how far out of the ballpark I really am I'd appreciate it.

    Thanx
    Phil


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From dorgan at optonline.net  Tue Sep 30 01:34:36 2003
From: dorgan at optonline.net (Donald J. Organ IV)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 01:34:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Need mini-code review
References: <039801c3870b$b6da3690$67a76244@philofsoa>
	<009301c3870f$86d65b00$c801a8c0@dj>
	<041501c38713$b4cc1d70$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <001801c38714$a54d2d20$c801a8c0@dj>

yes i know but you never know, sum things just work because they look different. :o)
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Phil Powell 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 1:28 AM
  Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Need mini-code review


  Thanx, but I don't understand the difference between yours and mine, they look identical.

  Phil
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Donald J. Organ IV 
    To: NYPHP Talk 
    Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 12:58 AM
    Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Need mini-code review


    try this:

    $sql = "DELETE FROM nnet_produkt_bestilling WHERE nnet_produkt_placement > nnet_produkt_placement + '' . date("Y-m-d H:i:s", time() + $maxCartTime);
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Phil Powell 
      To: NYPHP Talk 
      Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 12:31 AM
      Subject: [nycphp-talk] Need mini-code review


      $sql = 'DELETE FROM nnet_produkt_bestilling ' .
                'WHERE nnet_produkt_placement > ' .
                'nnet_produkt_placement + \'' . date("Y-m-d H:i:s", time() + $maxCartTime) . '\'';

      This is supposed to delete all rows in nnet_produkt_bestilling whose value in the field nnet_produkt_placement is more than $maxCartTime seconds old ($maxCartTime, in this case = 86400 seconds, or 24 hours).  I am unsure if this is the correct syntax using mySQL to do such an action upon a DATETIME field column datatype, so if someone could look that over and see how far out of the ballpark I really am I'd appreciate it.

      Thanx
      Phil


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From soazine at erols.com  Tue Sep 30 01:36:37 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 01:36:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Yet another dissatisfied customer...
Message-ID: <043201c38714$d1993400$67a76244@philofsoa>

...am I cursed?

Another client is threatening to "delete everything" calling my work a "waste of time".  There is, however, one possible sane reason for this, and I need to get some PHP guru advice on how to handle this.

You have ordered one item and placed it into your cart.  Let's say you ordered one small black t-shirt.  Your cart will have the product_id, color_id and size_id for the small black t-shirt.  The quantity of this item is, let's say 30.  You have one in your cart, so how many are available:

1) 29
2) 30

Now let's say that while I ordered one small black t-shirt, Sven ordered 1 small black t-shirt, Anders ordered one black t-shirt, and Olov ordered one black t-shirt.  If all four of us, at one time, are all ordering the same item and putting it into our carts, how many should there be available to us:

1) 26
2) 25
3) 29
4) 30

This is where the contention comes in.  The client wants it done "FIFO" (First In First Out) meaning that whoever gets it first will subtract the quantity - but I dispute that (coming from somewhat of a Java background) that since PHP doesn't so single-threading, that means that all four of us could order t-shirts,  but the quantity has to reflect that all four of us are ordering (multi-threading).

I dunno, help!

Phil
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From tom at supertom.com  Tue Sep 30 08:40:36 2003
From: tom at supertom.com (tom at supertom.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 08:40:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Yet another dissatisfied customer...
In-Reply-To: <043201c38714$d1993400$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <LBEDJMJGLEPEKJAJMHBDGEEBGBAA.tom@supertom.com>

Phil,

The way this is done in the manufacturing world is with an "inventory
allocated" field.  This field holds the number of quantity of your current
inventory that is "held" or allocated for another purpose, such as checkout.
Similar to inventory in a store, nothing should get removed from inventory
until it is sold.  What this means to you - I would decrement inventory on
the screen, and if he is that particular about it, display both the
inventory and the allocated fields.

However, with this said, personally I feel that you need to do whatever the
customer is asking for, as long as it is in the scope and budget of the
project.  As a consultant, it is your job to inform him of the risks
involved (which you have done), but ultimately do what he asks.

Phil, I hope you are doing this job for ALOT more than the last one
(architecture for $68, remember?). :-)

Good Luck!

Tom





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  -----Original Message-----
  From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On
Behalf Of Phil Powell
  Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 1:37 AM
  To: NYPHP Talk
  Subject: [nycphp-talk] Yet another dissatisfied customer...


  ...am I cursed?

  Another client is threatening to "delete everything" calling my work a
"waste of time".  There is, however, one possible sane reason for this, and
I need to get some PHP guru advice on how to handle this.

  You have ordered one item and placed it into your cart.  Let's say you
ordered one small black t-shirt.  Your cart will have the product_id,
color_id and size_id for the small black t-shirt.  The quantity of this item
is, let's say 30.  You have one in your cart, so how many are available:

  1) 29
  2) 30

  Now let's say that while I ordered one small black t-shirt, Sven ordered 1
small black t-shirt, Anders ordered one black t-shirt, and Olov ordered one
black t-shirt.  If all four of us, at one time, are all ordering the same
item and putting it into our carts, how many should there be available to
us:

  1) 26
  2) 25
  3) 29
  4) 30

  This is where the contention comes in.  The client wants it done "FIFO"
(First In First Out) meaning that whoever gets it first will subtract the
quantity - but I dispute that (coming from somewhat of a Java background)
that since PHP doesn't so single-threading, that means that all four of us
could order t-shirts,  but the quantity has to reflect that all four of us
are ordering (multi-threading).

  I dunno, help!

  Phil
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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Tue Sep 30 09:04:42 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:04:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] SimpleXML for PHP4.x?
Message-ID: <006901c38753$6a3e02b0$0200a8c0@thinkpad>

is the term "simplexml" made just for PHP5/libxml?  or is it possible to get
the functionality (as extension) working w/PHP4 somehow?

- jon

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From joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com  Tue Sep 30 09:24:09 2003
From: joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com (joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 08:24:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Yet another dissatisfied customer...
In-Reply-To: <043201c38714$d1993400$67a76244@philofsoa>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0309300821500.23949-100000@westhost39.westhost.net>

You may be right, you may be wrong, but after presenting information, if your client decides that he wants it a particular way, if at all possible, do it. He's paying you to develop his code, right? I mean, if it's in part your business it's different. Otherwise, give him what he wants. Don't worry if it's not correct, if that's what he insists on.

Josh

On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Phil Powell wrote:

> ...am I cursed?
> 
> Another client is threatening to "delete everything" calling my work a "waste of time".  There is, however, one possible sane reason for this, and I need to get some PHP guru advice on how to handle this.
> 
> You have ordered one item and placed it into your cart.  Let's say you ordered one small black t-shirt.  Your cart will have the product_id, color_id and size_id for the small black t-shirt.  The quantity of this item is, let's say 30.  You have one in your cart, so how many are available:
> 
> 1) 29
> 2) 30
> 
> Now let's say that while I ordered one small black t-shirt, Sven ordered 1 small black t-shirt, Anders ordered one black t-shirt, and Olov ordered one black t-shirt.  If all four of us, at one time, are all ordering the same item and putting it into our carts, how many should there be available to us:
> 
> 1) 26
> 2) 25
> 3) 29
> 4) 30
> 
> This is where the contention comes in.  The client wants it done "FIFO" (First In First Out) meaning that whoever gets it first will subtract the quantity - but I dispute that (coming from somewhat of a Java background) that since PHP doesn't so single-threading, that means that all four of us could order t-shirts,  but the quantity has to reflect that all four of us are ordering (multi-threading).
> 
> I dunno, help!
> 
> Phil



From sklar at sklar.com  Tue Sep 30 09:34:41 2003
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:34:41 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] SimpleXML for PHP4.x?
In-Reply-To: <006901c38753$6a3e02b0$0200a8c0@thinkpad>
Message-ID: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJIEGJGMAA.sklar@sklar.com>

On Tuesday, September 30, 2003 9:05 AM,  wrote:

> is the term "simplexml" made just for PHP5/libxml?  or is it possible
> to get the functionality (as extension) working w/PHP4 somehow?

SimpleXML is PHP 5 only. It relies on PHP internals that are not available
in PHP 4.

David



From agfische at email.smith.edu  Tue Sep 30 15:44:58 2003
From: agfische at email.smith.edu (Aaron Fischer)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:44:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] handling forms (relative newbie)
Message-ID: <92F4386C-F37E-11D7-A152-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>

Hi all,

I am encountering a situation somewhat similar to the one that Jeff was 
referring to in his post titled "Repost post vars".  Basically, I am 
using php to enforce required fields on a form, load a page that allows 
the user to confirm information is accurate (if not, reload the form 
page), and finally once all is OK, process the variables by inserting 
the data into mysql, sending an email confirmation to the user and 
loading a confirmation page.

Where I am running into problems is preserving post variables across 
the various page loads.  I saw the following solutions offered to Jeff, 
and I am wondering, as a relative newbie, which one folks would 
recommend me cutting my teeth on or are there other options that might 
be even simpler/better?

Possible solutions:
	Perform manual POST using PHP
	Use PEAR's http request class
	Use cURL
	Store $_POST as a session variable
	Use http.inc class

Thanks for any suggestions,

-Aaron



From adam at trachtenberg.com  Tue Sep 30 15:52:36 2003
From: adam at trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:52:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] handling forms (relative newbie)
In-Reply-To: <92F4386C-F37E-11D7-A152-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309301546120.3860-100000@miranda.org>

On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Aaron Fischer wrote:

> Basically, I am using php to enforce required fields on a form, load
> a page that allows the user to confirm information is accurate (if
> not, reload the form page), and finally once all is OK, process the
> variables by inserting the data into mysql, sending an email
> confirmation to the user and loading a confirmation page.

> Possible solutions:
> 	Perform manual POST using PHP
> 	Use PEAR's http request class
> 	Use cURL
> 	Store $_POST as a session variable
> 	Use http.inc class
> 
> Thanks for any suggestions,

I advocate storing $_POST as a session variable. (Or the specific POST
variables you want to keep.)

You stuff the POSTed data into a temporary session and then retrieve
it out of $_SESSION in the confirmation page and MySQL insertion
page. Once it's done, session_destroy() it.

Saves you all the hassle of, well, most of the above. If you're against
cookies, there's always the URL rewriting feature of Session, which
should be easy to ensure given the nature of your transaction.

I'm all for using the simplest solution possible, unless you can't.

-adam

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From jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com  Tue Sep 30 16:16:48 2003
From: jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com (Jayesh Sheth)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:16:48 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] shopping cart tutorial at DevShed
Message-ID: <3F79E4B0.2030602@ceruleansky.com>

Hello everyone,

Before I begin, I should mention that I subscribe to the digest version, 
so I hope no one has posted this information yet.

One of you was looking for a tutorial on doing a shopping cart in PHP.

I have used many tutorials from DevShed, and they do have a shopping 
cart tutorial:
http://devshed.com/Server_Side/PHP/Commerce/Commerce3/print_html

(The images in the article seem to be broken though).

Hope that helps,

- Jay




From agfische at email.smith.edu  Tue Sep 30 16:17:42 2003
From: agfische at email.smith.edu (Aaron Fischer)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:17:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] handling forms (relative newbie)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309301546120.3860-100000@miranda.org>
Message-ID: <25A33660-F383-11D7-A280-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>

Cool, I'm flipping to the sessions chapter now...  I'll probably opt 
for the URL rewriting feature, as it seems there is an increasing 
amount of user awareness and fear of cookies.

Only after bashing my head at least three times into a brick wall will 
I be back to ask for help.  :-)

Cheers,

-Aaron

On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, at 03:52 pm, Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg 
wrote:

> I advocate storing $_POST as a session variable. (Or the specific POST
> variables you want to keep.)
>
> You stuff the POSTed data into a temporary session and then retrieve
> it out of $_SESSION in the confirmation page and MySQL insertion
> page. Once it's done, session_destroy() it.
>
> Saves you all the hassle of, well, most of the above. If you're against
> cookies, there's always the URL rewriting feature of Session, which
> should be easy to ensure given the nature of your transaction.
>
> I'm all for using the simplest solution possible, unless you can't.
>
> -adam



From adam at trachtenberg.com  Tue Sep 30 16:23:18 2003
From: adam at trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:23:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] handling forms (relative newbie)
In-Reply-To: <25A33660-F383-11D7-A280-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309301620250.3860-100000@miranda.org>

On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Aaron Fischer wrote:

> Cool, I'm flipping to the sessions chapter now...  I'll probably opt 
> for the URL rewriting feature, as it seems there is an increasing 
> amount of user awareness and fear of cookies.

My advice is to try it with cookies first because it might be easier
to test. (On your machine, you don't need to worry about rejecting
cookies.)

Once that's working, add in the URL rewriting. This might not be
necessary, but when dealing with something new, I don't like to jump
in head first, as it makes it really difficult to debug.

-adam

-- 
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author of o'reilly's php cookbook
avoid the holiday rush, buy your copy today!



From David.SextonJr at ubs.com  Tue Sep 30 16:28:36 2003
From: David.SextonJr at ubs.com (Sexton, David)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:28:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Timing Mechanism
Message-ID: <18D7B8CAA5284F478470828806DB124603789F6A@psle01.xchg.pwj.com>

Hey Gang,
 
After a few months of trying to figure out why we were getting sets of
maximum execution timeout errors at totally random times, I've narrowed it
down to being the result of adhoc queries that return very large datasets. I
noticed something interesting though, and I was wondering if anyone had any
information on this...
 
First of all, it's PHP build 4.3.2 running in CGI mode on Win32. We have the
max_execution_time directive set to 90 seconds, but whenever one of these
wide-open adhoc queries is executed, the spawned PHP process eats up over
90% CPU time... but for about 6 minutes in real time. This is leading me to
believe that PHP's internal timer is actually being short-changed by it's
own CPU intensive existence. :)  Anyway, it seems like what PHP "thinks" is
90 seconds is actually more like 5-10 minutes in reality. Is this a bug, a
WIN32 specific problem, both, etc... any information would be appreciated.
We are planning to cap the resources that the scripts consume in other ways
as a workaround, but in the meantime, we are experiencing periods of
excessive slowness and multiple script timeouts since other php.exe procs
seem to get held up by the initial culprit.
 
TIA,
Dave


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From agfische at email.smith.edu  Tue Sep 30 16:31:02 2003
From: agfische at email.smith.edu (Aaron Fischer)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:31:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] handling forms (relative newbie)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309301620250.3860-100000@miranda.org>
Message-ID: <0205AD58-F385-11D7-A280-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>

Good point, that makes sense.

Thanks!

-Aaron

On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, at 04:23 pm, Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg 
wrote:

> My advice is to try it with cookies first because it might be easier
> to test. (On your machine, you don't need to worry about rejecting
> cookies.)
>
> Once that's working, add in the URL rewriting. This might not be
> necessary, but when dealing with something new, I don't like to jump
> in head first, as it makes it really difficult to debug.
>
> -adam



From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Tue Sep 30 17:21:46 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff Siegel)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:21:46 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] handling forms (relative newbie)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0309301546120.3860-100000@miranda.org>
Message-ID: <004201c38798$eb661360$6401a8c0@EZDSDELL>

That's the solution I ended up implementing. 

Jeff "Repost post vars" Siegel

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 2:53 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] handling forms (relative newbie)


On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Aaron Fischer wrote:

> Basically, I am using php to enforce required fields on a form, load
> a page that allows the user to confirm information is accurate (if
> not, reload the form page), and finally once all is OK, process the
> variables by inserting the data into mysql, sending an email
> confirmation to the user and loading a confirmation page.

> Possible solutions:
> 	Perform manual POST using PHP
> 	Use PEAR's http request class
> 	Use cURL
> 	Store $_POST as a session variable
> 	Use http.inc class
> 
> Thanks for any suggestions,

I advocate storing $_POST as a session variable. (Or the specific POST
variables you want to keep.)

You stuff the POSTed data into a temporary session and then retrieve
it out of $_SESSION in the confirmation page and MySQL insertion
page. Once it's done, session_destroy() it.

Saves you all the hassle of, well, most of the above. If you're against
cookies, there's always the URL rewriting feature of Session, which
should be easy to ensure given the nature of your transaction.

I'm all for using the simplest solution possible, unless you can't.

-adam

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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Tue Sep 30 17:44:21 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (jon baer)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:44:21 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL Tips/Tricks from Sept Newsletter
Message-ID: <005601c3879c$027f7020$0200a8c0@thinkpad>

http://www.mysql.com/newsletter/2003-09/

MYSQL TIPS & HINTS

Using ORDER BY with UPDATE to resolve the
duplicate key problem

    Indrek Siitan

    To illustrate the problem, let us create a small
    sample table:
    
      CREATE TABLE items (
        id INT NOT NULL PRIMARY KEY,
        name VARCHAR(32)
      ); 
    
    Let's add a couple of rows as well:
    
      INSERT INTO items VALUES (1,'bar'),(2,'qux');
    
    Now, we want to add an entry named "foo" with an
    ID of 1, and shift all of the existing items up by
    one. Easy, you say - just add 1 to the id field
    values and then insert the new row:
    
      UPDATE items SET id=id+1;
      INSERT INTO items VALUES (1,'foo');
    
    In theory, everything looks fine. In real life,
    however, the UPDATE query most probably bails out
    with the following error:
    
      ERROR 1062: Duplicate entry '2' for key 1
    
    This happens because key constraints are checked
    before updating each row (with MyISAM tables that
    are non-transactional, there's no other way, and
    for some reason InnoDB follows the same path). The
    update is done in the order the rows are stored in
    the table files, which, in case you haven't mixed
    DELETEs and INSERTs and caused the table to get
    fragmented, is the order you have inserted the
    rows into the table. So if MySQL starts to process
    the first row and tries to increment the id field
    by 1, the result of 2 already exists in the table
    and produces the error above, although it would be
    increased next and the final query result would
    not violate the key uniqueness.
    
    But not to worry, MySQL has extended the UDPATE
    syntax with a possible ORDER BY clause, that will
    help us solve this problem. If we change the
    update query to:
    
    UPDATE items SET id=id+1 ORDER BY id DESC;
    
    With this ORDER BY clause, MySQL processes rows in
    descending order of id number: First, it updates 2
    to 3, and then 1 to 2.  Consequently, no
    duplicate-key violation occurs and the statement
    succeeds.
    
    The ORDER BY clause in UPDATE is available in
    MySQL server version 4.0.0 and newer.

Is row locking really necessary in multi-table
updates?

    Is row locking really necessary in a multi-table
    update, where some of the tables are only read
    during the update. Couldn't you speed up the
    updates, if the row locking would not be used?
    
    Consider the example below:
    ....
    mysql> create table table1(a int, b int) type =
    innodb;
    Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.02 sec)
    
    mysql> create table table2(a int, b int) type =
    innodb;
    Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.50 sec)
    
    mysql> insert into table1 values (10, 20);
    Query OK, 1 row affected (2.68 sec)
    
    mysql> insert into table2 values (10, 20);
    Query OK, 1 row affected (2.76 sec)
    
    mysql> update table1, table2 set table1.b = 100
    where table1.a = 
    table2.a;
    Query OK, 1 row affected (48.31 sec)
    Rows matched: 1  Changed: 1  Warnings: 0
    ....
    
    If we do not lock rows in table2, then the changes
    to table1 are based on an old consistent snapshot
    of table2. If that snapshot is very old, we may
    get really unexpected update results. So it is not
    good idea to set a trap to users by removing the
    row locks on table2.
    
    When you are doing multi-table updates, you might
    run into deadlocks.
    Deadlocks are a problem that needs to be taken
    into account, when using row locking and
    transactions. The link
    http://www.innodb.com/ibman.html#Cope_with_deadlocks
    contains some help in avoiding them.

TIP: Maximum size of a BLOB

    MySQL supports BLOBs (Binary Large Objects), which
    means you can store any binary file into MySQL.
    Many people ask, what is the maximum size of a
    BLOB in MySQL.
    
    The theoretical limit in MySQL 4.0 is 2G, however
    each blob requires generally to have 3 copies of
    it in the memory (stored in various buffers) so
    you need a lot of memory, if you have large BLOBs
    stored in MySQL. This is the reason, why the
    theoretical limit can be reached only on 64bit
    systems. The Practical limits are around some
    hundreds of megs per BLOB.

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From hans at nyphp.org  Tue Sep 30 22:20:04 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 22:20:04 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] We just launched a sizable all PHP site
In-Reply-To: <000f01c385ec$1ab2fe20$0e0ea8c0@therealm>
References: <000f01c385ec$1ab2fe20$0e0ea8c0@therealm>
Message-ID: <3F7A39D4.60602@nyphp.org>



Larry Velez wrote:

> Hey PHPers,
> 
> Just thought you guys would like to glance at a sizable all PHP site we just launched through our entronic brand.  It incorporates
> use of Flash talking to PHP and MYSQL.
> 
> http://www.warburgrealty.com

Great looking site, Larry.  It's good to see PHP getting more and more use for large sites, as is deserving of it.  Another idea for nyphp.org content is a link listing of sites people in the area have rolled out with PHP.  Might be a nice way to begin a compilation of php's who's-who

H



From hans at nyphp.org  Tue Sep 30 22:26:20 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 22:26:20 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Timing Mechanism
In-Reply-To: <18D7B8CAA5284F478470828806DB124603789F6A@psle01.xchg.pwj.com>
References: <18D7B8CAA5284F478470828806DB124603789F6A@psle01.xchg.pwj.com>
Message-ID: <3F7A3B4C.6070806@nyphp.org>



Sexton, David wrote:

> Hey Gang,
>  
> After a few months of trying to figure out why we were getting sets of
> maximum execution timeout errors at totally random times, I've narrowed it
> down to being the result of adhoc queries that return very large datasets. I
> noticed something interesting though, and I was wondering if anyone had any
> information on this...
>  
> First of all, it's PHP build 4.3.2 running in CGI mode on Win32. We have the
> max_execution_time directive set to 90 seconds, but whenever one of these
> wide-open adhoc queries is executed, the spawned PHP process eats up over
> 90% CPU time... but for about 6 minutes in real time. This is leading me to
> believe that PHP's internal timer is actually being short-changed by it's
> own CPU intensive existence. :)  Anyway, it seems like what PHP "thinks" is
> 90 seconds is actually more like 5-10 minutes in reality. Is this a bug, a
> WIN32 specific problem, both, etc... any information would be appreciated.

I have heard things similar to this kicked around, although I don't know many specifics, unfortunately.  Win related may be an issue as well, and might surface as a bug with some finite testing.

I've seen that http://bugs.php.net reports some of these issues (search for max_execution_time).

H



From hans at nyphp.org  Tue Sep 30 22:28:17 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 22:28:17 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL Tips/Tricks from Sept Newsletter
In-Reply-To: <005601c3879c$027f7020$0200a8c0@thinkpad>
References: <005601c3879c$027f7020$0200a8c0@thinkpad>
Message-ID: <3F7A3BC1.2020001@nyphp.org>



jon baer wrote:

> http://www.mysql.com/newsletter/2003-09/

Great point, Jon.  I saw this tip which actually I just put into practice a bit ago.

As an aside, a nice digest of the MySQL and other newsletters of the past month are always up at http://nyphp.org/thelatest

The October edition will be there tomorrow.

Thanks,

H



From soazine at erols.com  Tue Sep 30 23:32:42 2003
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:32:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Yet another dissatisfied customer...
References: <LBEDJMJGLEPEKJAJMHBDGEEBGBAA.tom@supertom.com>
Message-ID: <00e201c387cc$acd9f830$67a76244@philofsoa>

Yes thanx, however, the client wanted a "FIFO" solution which means that if there are 30 items in stock and you ordered all 30 while someone else ordered 1, both of you will see 30 in stock until one of you checks out; whoever checks out first, wins!

Phil
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: tom at supertom.com 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 8:40 AM
  Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Yet another dissatisfied customer...


  Phil,

  The way this is done in the manufacturing world is with an "inventory allocated" field.  This field holds the number of quantity of your current inventory that is "held" or allocated for another purpose, such as checkout.  Similar to inventory in a store, nothing should get removed from inventory until it is sold.  What this means to you - I would decrement inventory on the screen, and if he is that particular about it, display both the inventory and the allocated fields.

  However, with this said, personally I feel that you need to do whatever the customer is asking for, as long as it is in the scope and budget of the project.  As a consultant, it is your job to inform him of the risks involved (which you have done), but ultimately do what he asks.

  Phil, I hope you are doing this job for ALOT more than the last one (architecture for $68, remember?). :-)

  Good Luck!

  Tom





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    -----Original Message-----
    From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Phil Powell
    Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 1:37 AM
    To: NYPHP Talk
    Subject: [nycphp-talk] Yet another dissatisfied customer...


    ...am I cursed?

    Another client is threatening to "delete everything" calling my work a "waste of time".  There is, however, one possible sane reason for this, and I need to get some PHP guru advice on how to handle this.

    You have ordered one item and placed it into your cart.  Let's say you ordered one small black t-shirt.  Your cart will have the product_id, color_id and size_id for the small black t-shirt.  The quantity of this item is, let's say 30.  You have one in your cart, so how many are available:

    1) 29
    2) 30

    Now let's say that while I ordered one small black t-shirt, Sven ordered 1 small black t-shirt, Anders ordered one black t-shirt, and Olov ordered one black t-shirt.  If all four of us, at one time, are all ordering the same item and putting it into our carts, how many should there be available to us:

    1) 26
    2) 25
    3) 29
    4) 30

    This is where the contention comes in.  The client wants it done "FIFO" (First In First Out) meaning that whoever gets it first will subtract the quantity - but I dispute that (coming from somewhat of a Java background) that since PHP doesn't so single-threading, that means that all four of us could order t-shirts,  but the quantity has to reflect that all four of us are ordering (multi-threading).

    I dunno, help!

    Phil


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