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[Mark Withington]

How true!  But I don't think we can lay all the blame at the client.
There's always a lot of hocus-pocus on both sides - much of which are the
characteristics of a young, "undisciplined" [Econ 101] industry.  

As a rather rough [pardon me] analogy, I suggest looking at the automobile
repair industry.  15 - 20 years ago you could go to several garages and get
several different quotes to do a particular job.  Today, they all quote out
of the same book (x number of hours at $y/hour).

OK...where am I going with this?  Perhaps in an effort to start to
standardize rates and jobs (and remove some of the hocus pocus) NYPHP could
set up a database of positions/rates and job/efforts.  From that the whole
community could benefit.

For example:

Database modeling - $x/hour  
Standard shopping cart - y man-hours

Really crude, I know, but [hopefully] you get the idea.


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-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Yury Rush
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 11:08 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Site Quote


I've found that *most* of my interactions with small clients has resulted in
blank looks once they were asked about their budgets.. and if they were a
bit larger then a small business they put on their poker face and try to
play me into quoting a price.

It would save me and them much time if we could work around their budget..
but alas few are willing to reveal this taboo issue :(

regards
yury

http://www.day-spa-gifts.com

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On
Behalf Of Brian Kaney
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 9:55 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Site Quote


It is really hard to tell without reading a specification or proposal. There
is quite a range out there from a $1k to $100k-plus.  Consider if you need
to hire a designer that could cost upward of $5k.  How much back-end
integration and automation is required for instance, etc...but this brings
up a topic we deal with every day.

One thing that drives me crazy about some small/mid business owners is their
cost expectation.  A SMB owner can purchase an entire office-productivity
suite for less than $500.  An accounting system for $300.  So when they need
integrated and custom work, it is a pretty big leap for them to drop
multi-$k for a project.

It really comes down to setting expectations as early as possible (so you
don't waste hours researching and deploying).  In the initial meeting with
the client, I've found just asking for their budget is very useful.

- Brian


On Wed, 2004-08-11 at 10:34, Joseph Crawford Jr. wrote:
> Guys i have put in a quote for a site similar to
>
> http://www.novica.com/
>
> and the person said the quote was way too much, my quote was $25,000 
> for the entire site to be done that is tax free for them, meaning i am 
> paying my own taxes.  Thier site included a ton of statistic features 
> and quickbooks report integration etc...
>
> Do you guys think i quoted high or low?
>
> Joe Crawford Jr.
>
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