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[John Lacey]

Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg wrote:

> *** Blatent Plug Alert ***
> 
> "PHP Cookbook" (O'Reilly 2003) has a section on PEAR and also covers
> PEAR DB.
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1565926811/trachtenberg-20/ref=nosim
> 
> However, I would be remiss if I didn't plug David's new book:
> "Essential PHP Tools: Modules, Extensions, and Accelerators." (Apress
> 2004)
> 
> In addition to being completely up-to-date, it has an extensive set of
> documentation on many PEAR (and non-PEAR) modules, including: PEAR DB,
> ADODB, HTML_QuickForm, Smarty, XML_Parser, SimpleXML, PEAR XML_RPC,
> PEAR SOAP, PEAR Mail and Mail_mime, PEAR Auth and Auth_HTTP, XDebug,
> APC, PHPA, and MMCache. (Whew!)
> 
> While many of these packages have some form of online documentation,
> much of it is out-of-date, poorly written, or missing major
> portions. In particular, the PEAR SOAP chapter is *far and away* the
> best documentation I have seen on PHP and SOAP. The other chapters are
> good too, particularly if you like ice cream.
> 

I'll second the plug(s) since I have "every book" :) the contributors 
on this list have written and they're quite good, if I'm allowed an 
understatment.  Having co-authored and technically edited 8 or so 
networking-related books (LANs, WANs, protocols, blah...) I appreciate 
the difficulty of putting together something that speaks to people who 
are trying to learn.

I'm eagerly awaiting the coming titles.

John



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> --- Dan Cech <dcech at phpwerx.net> wrote:
> > Chris mentioned that it is inconvenient for users, I understand that
> > IP address checking would be wildly inconvenient for dialup users,
etc
> > on a long term basis, but can't think of anyone whose IP address
would
> > regularly change during a session.
>=20
> The classic example is AOL, which uses round-robin proxies to let its
> users out onto the real Internet. With an AOL user, you may observe a
> user's IP address changing for every single request.
>=20
> I'm not a big networking expert, but I assume there are other
situations
> that can cause problems with this approach as well. I assume most of
these
> fit into one of two categories:
>=20
> 1. One user can have many IPs.
> 2. Many users can have one IP.
>=20
> Because of this, and because I'm not a TCP/IP expert, I focus=20
> on HTTP and up.

No TCP/IP required... that sums it up perfectly.  I've been told, as a
rule of thumb, not to EVER depend on IPs for proof of anything,
especially on the web.

> Also, if anyone is a captcha expert, I think this would make a great
> presentation of some sort. I know Yahoo uses ez-gimpy (you can find it
> from http://www.captcha.net/), and I've gotten that to work, but I
> couldn't figure out how to generate images without having Gimp running
> under X. I've only played with it out of curiosity, though. Anyone
have
> any experience they can share at a more professional level?

Agreed... this is a very interesting subject.  Heck, CMU isn't too
far... who's interested in contacting them to see if they'd take a trip
here?

H

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> About a year ago I looked at both PEAR::DB and ADOdb, and chose ADOdb.

> I don't remember exactly why, I think at the time ADOdb had a larger=20
> feature set and was under more active development.
>=20
> I have had no complaints whatsoever about the speed or reliability of=20
> the system, and have become somewhat involved in development.
>=20
> I know that Hans is vehemently against the idea of a database=20
> abstraction layer, but I am very much for it.  The overhead involved
is=20
> minimal, and the gains are potentially huge.

:)

> I am currently working on a project (phpGACL=20
> <http://phpgacl.sourceforge.net>) which uses ADOdb and we have users=20
> using MySQL, Postgres, Oracle, MSSQL, and IIRC Sybase.  Without=20
> something like ADOdb or PEAR::DB we would have no chance at being able

> to support these users.
>=20
> <ShamelessPlug>ADOdb (I'm not sure if PEAR::DB has similar=20
> functionality) also supports a system for platform-independent data=20
> definitions through the ADOdb DataDictionary and adodb-xmlschema.  I'm

> doing a lot of work on both of these tools and a major release is=20
> scheduled to coincide with the release of ADOdb 4.12.</ShamelessPlug>

Since we're doing PEAR::DB this month, maybe next month is set for
ADOdb?  Maybe even a face off at the next meeting? :)

H