NYCPHP Meetup

[Douglas Clifton]

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Hans Zaunere" <lists at zaunere.com>
> To: "'NYPHP Talk'" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 13:52:05 -0400
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Re: [OT] Consulting work
> 
> > I'm going to chime in here because this is a topic that I find
> > upsetting.
[snip]
> > I keep telling people that approach me with projects, and are
> > expecting to be able to get away with a rate similar to what
> > I've just described, you get what you pay for. Because I
> > don't know about the rest of this group, but I have not only
> > seen the quality of the code and database designs from
> > folks that are willing to work on the cheap, I've also had to
> > throw a lot of it in the trash and start over. I have even
> > considered registering domain names and selling myself
> > on this very idea: we-clean-up-after-[insert slur here].com.
> 
> Much of this is right on... there needs to be a tone set about the professionalism of PHP developers.  While the actually act of writing code is being commoditized, there are added values any of use can give customers that add value.  I hope that everyone on this list stands fast on a real rate for real work.
> 
> "I'm Good Enough, I'm Smart Enough and Doggone It, People Like Me"
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>
> ---
> Hans Zaunere
> President, Founder
> 
> New York PHP
> http://www.nyphp.org
> 
> AMP Technology
> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP

Thanks for your post in support of this thread Hans. One more quick
point to make is derived directly from your signature. And that is this:
Employers that are seeking out developers with AMP skills, and want
to cut corners on labor costs [by whatever method] are already using
technologies built from 1000s upon 1000s of hours of work by many
under appreciated people to bring operating systems, Web server
software, programming languages and database systems that do not,
except in the case of MySQL in a commercial environment, cost them
a single dime in license fees.

I'm not sure if this contributes to the mindset of company owners, IT
managers, HR departments, and the like, but if so...well, I think you can
draw your own conclusions on my opinions of such thinking.

To all PHPers, from the States at least, I say: enjoy the holiday. And to
those struggling to make a career out of this, no matter what your locale,
better things to come!

Doug

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