[nycphp-talk] PHP vs. new ASP.NET 2.0
LeeEyerman at aol.com
LeeEyerman at aol.com
Sat Nov 26 22:39:23 EST 2005
In my experience, PHP is a far more reliable and stable language to deliver
cross platform/cross web browser apps. They also tend to be MUCH easier and
faster to build. They have a very low cost of entry for all users and
organizations - even look at web hosting costs - MS hosting is still more expensive
and far more restricting - then upfront costs are high. And the fact is,
Sun and Oracle support PHP extensively for the fact that it is easy to
create and maintain highly scalable websites.
On the other hand, I know a lot of great websites and clients who use
ASP.NET. There apps are good - unless you're on a mac, or... :) The real test
will be time. And the fact is, Billy just sent out a memo saying online apps
are the future, ie., salesforce.com, netsuite (oracle), on-line quickbooks,
etc. So we will see who wins in the end. That is life, it is what makes it
fun. (Besides how would I make any money when clients spend a ton on the
drag-and-drop promise from MS and I come save the day with a LAMP. :)
I am just curious, Susan, how long have you been a member of nyphp? I do
not remember ever reading any posts from you on any of the NYPHP subsections?
Are you affiliated with Microsoft somehow? Are you being paid/asked to do
this? I just want to keep the record straight b/c I know MS is not above
paying someone to post something like this in hopes of getting a few new php
programmers to try their fancy new drag and drop product, instead of really
becoming programmers. (I know this is called something but I forget what) I am just
curious, and I hope that you are just another programmer frustrated by
another language, because I have been there - I think they call it JAVA. But I
wouldn't want to be entertaining this conversation if it was just a PR stunt
from MS. And this whole "men" comment seems just weird? Not all of us are
men, and for as long as I've been a member (approx. 16 months, maybe more) I
have never, ever, heard any kind of comment like that - and I can assure you
things aren't always pleasant - like I said, it just seems weird.
If you are for real, what type of apps are you developing? Is your
argument, "I'd rather spend time developing my application design and GUI and
workflow, not tinkering with the simple/same DB access code?
I think a lot of us here strive to be really good programmers and Internet
web app developers in a very pure sense. Most of us have created our own
libraries or reusable code - all of it hammered out by us - even with the
assistance of other NYPHP members. It is not easy, but when you are done, you own
that code - it is not some mystery code MS created. That is how I make a
living, and I am sure a number of other people do the same. For me, and I would
imagine all of us would agree, hard work and a whole lot of ^&#!@ finesse is
required on every job - that is a programmer - male or female. Are you a
programmer? Or are you more of a system designer?
Anyway I would just like to say, on this thanksgiving weekend, thanks for
all the good talk and advice from everyone.
This is a nice place to be,
it is all free
and PHP
is better than ASP
Lee
PS, this is funny: "Then you arent really a programmer, you are an Excel
user..
> -Max Gribov
In a message dated 11/26/2005 10:00:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
agfische at email.smith.edu writes:
Can we save the generalizations and gender stereotypes for another
list? Besides being untrue, they're not forwarding any useful
discussion. Thanks.
Susan Shemin wrote:
> Hey, guys, nice to hear your responses. However, there's always 2
> sides to an argument, and I do not agree with you. Somehow men think
> that only hard work is how things get done. With women, they know
> it's finesse that works. And I believe Visual Studio has finesse and
> class (sorry for the pun).
>
> *//*
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