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[david.ngo]

Cake is a framework I've had my eye on for a long time. One of the things
I'd like to see is what makes it better than all the other php mvc
frameworks out there? Also it would be nice to see some examples of how it
works with ajax. When is the September presentation? I don't see it on the
nyphp calendar anywhere.

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: CakePHP presentation (David Mintz)
   2. Re: CakePHP presentation (Michael Southwell)
   3. Re: CakePHP presentation (inforequest)
   4. Re: CakePHP presentation (Rob Marscher)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:26:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: David Mintz <dmintz at davidmintz.org>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] CakePHP presentation
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
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On Thu, 24 Aug 2006, Nate Abele wrote:

> I'll be giving a presentation on CakePHP at the September NYPHP
> Group, and I was wondering what specifically people would like to
> hear about.

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! Bravo! I'll travel all the way from downtown for
this!

You know that folks who are totally new to this are gonna want a lightning
intro to MVC, likewise associations.

I would love to see you bake a little app before our very eyes with
bake.php (I can't wait to hear all the oooohs and aaaaaahs)

I'd like to find out how you handle advanced input validation and
filtering. (The jury seems to be out about the proper way to apply
multiple validation rules to one field.)

I'd like to see how you approach authentication.

I'd like to see an introducation (that was a typo, but I like it) to ACL.

I'd like to see how you write a model and controller that would support
"advanced" database searching (from the users point of view), meaning
building SELECTs on the fly from user input

I'd like to know how you approach integration with a popular CMS such as
Drupal.

I'd like to hear your recommendations regarding hosting Cake apps on a
shared server running PHP 5 in cgi mode.

I'd like to hear about what we might expect in future releases.

We have how long for this, just six hours? (-:


---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their
persons, houses, papers, and effects, against
unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon
probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation,
and particularly describing the place to be
searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:26:41 -0400
From: Michael Southwell <michael.southwell at nyphp.org>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] CakePHP presentation
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
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At 02:26 PM 8/25/2006, you wrote:
>On Thu, 24 Aug 2006, Nate Abele wrote:
>
> > I'll be giving a presentation on CakePHP at the September NYPHP
> > Group, and I was wondering what specifically people would like to
> > hear about.
>
>YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! Bravo! I'll travel all the way from downtown for
>this!
>
>You know that folks who are totally new to this are gonna want a lightning
>intro to MVC, likewise associations.

Following up on David's point, don't forget that there are likely to 
be people there who will need to hear from the beginning what is 
going on.  You can do this briefly so as not to bore those who know 
it already, but you also don't want to bore those others by 
discussing nothing but advanced details.


Michael Southwell, Vice President for Education
New York PHP
http://www.nyphp.com/training - In-depth PHP Training Courses 



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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:02:22 -0700
From: "inforequest" <1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] CakePHP presentation
To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
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David Mintz dmintz-at-davidmintz.org |nyphp dev/internal group use| wrote:

>On Thu, 24 Aug 2006, Nate Abele wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I'll be giving a presentation on CakePHP at the September NYPHP
>>Group, and I was wondering what specifically people would like to
>>hear about.
>>    
>>
>
>YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! Bravo! I'll travel all the way from downtown for
>this!
>
>You know that folks who are totally new to this are gonna want a lightning
>intro to MVC, likewise associations.
>
>I would love to see you bake a little app before our very eyes with
>bake.php (I can't wait to hear all the oooohs and aaaaaahs)
>
>I'd like to find out how you handle advanced input validation and
>filtering. (The jury seems to be out about the proper way to apply
>multiple validation rules to one field.)
>
>I'd like to see how you approach authentication.
>
>I'd like to see an introducation (that was a typo, but I like it) to ACL.
>
>I'd like to see how you write a model and controller that would support
>"advanced" database searching (from the users point of view), meaning
>building SELECTs on the fly from user input
>
>I'd like to know how you approach integration with a popular CMS such as
>Drupal.
>
>I'd like to hear your recommendations regarding hosting Cake apps on a
>shared server running PHP 5 in cgi mode.
>
>I'd like to hear about what we might expect in future releases.
>
>We have how long for this, just six hours? (-:
>
>
>---
>David Mintz
>http://davidmintz.org/
>  
>
Man I miss the enthusiasm of the New York PHP community. If I ever get 
that private jet I'll be attending the monthly's again.

I'd ask to address the "all or nothing" question. Frameworks tend to 
require an religious adoption of the entire framework (overhead, 
environment, etc) and that can be a small problem ;-)  What about cake?

-=john andrews

-- 
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"If you think this stuff is confusing, you should try optimizing websites
for search engine exposure, FOR CLIENTS."  john andrews
competitive webmaster http://www.johnon.com



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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 17:33:45 -0400
From: Rob Marscher <rmarscher at beaffinitive.com>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] CakePHP presentation
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
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Maybe implement a navigation layout to show how to make use of reuseable 
'layouts'?  When I making a demo site in Cake, that was one of the first 
things I tried to do and I had a hard time figuring out how to highlight 
the current page if it was a static 'page' and not a controller that was 
getting called.  I'm not even sure now if the way that I did it was the 
'right' way to do it.
-Rob

David Mintz wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006, Nate Abele wrote:
>
>   
>> I'll be giving a presentation on CakePHP at the September NYPHP
>> Group, and I was wondering what specifically people would like to
>> hear about.
>>     
>
> YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! Bravo! I'll travel all the way from downtown for
> this!
>
> You know that folks who are totally new to this are gonna want a lightning
> intro to MVC, likewise associations.
>
> I would love to see you bake a little app before our very eyes with
> bake.php (I can't wait to hear all the oooohs and aaaaaahs)
>
> I'd like to find out how you handle advanced input validation and
> filtering. (The jury seems to be out about the proper way to apply
> multiple validation rules to one field.)
>
> I'd like to see how you approach authentication.
>
> I'd like to see an introducation (that was a typo, but I like it) to ACL.
>
> I'd like to see how you write a model and controller that would support
> "advanced" database searching (from the users point of view), meaning
> building SELECTs on the fly from user input
>
> I'd like to know how you approach integration with a popular CMS such as
> Drupal.
>
> I'd like to hear your recommendations regarding hosting Cake apps on a
> shared server running PHP 5 in cgi mode.
>
> I'd like to hear about what we might expect in future releases.
>
> We have how long for this, just six hours? (-:
>
>
> ---
> David Mintz
> http://davidmintz.org/
>
> Amendment IV
>
> The right of the people to be secure in their
> persons, houses, papers, and effects, against
> unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
> violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon
> probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation,
> and particularly describing the place to be
> searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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