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[Peter Sawczynec]

There is nothing silly in engendering some conversation around promoting
an updatable cert that allows PHP to be constantly guiding programmers
up to and in to the known needed skills most highly anticipated in the
market today. 

I would like to clarify:

1) I originally suggested to simply use the Zend cert 

2) That I said that I felt that it behooves us as a professional group
of PHP programmers to have some standardized way to measure skill set to
clarify the career path for programmers and to give hiring managers some
kind of benchmark to start from 

3) I am not proposing that the cert be mandatory. It would be an
optional -- but highly recommended and PHP endorsed -- step that gives a
programmer a method to demonstrate his knowledge according to a known
standard 

Use the Zend cert. But PHP has to get behind it. And persuade it into
the hands of programmers/managers right from the get go.

I did my time. Read the books, made a library, read PDFs on my PDA while
I commuted, worked all night, fetched arcane answers from obscure blogs.


My experience says it would have helped to have a clearer professional
knowledge path set out.

But if we want to leave the industry as a bad lands of high plains
drifters and men with names who guard and protect their craft to the
exception of new comers then hey that is the way it stays and all enjoy.

But, I feel that if this PHP craft wants manage its identity. Plan ahead
for a future tightly integrated to more and more demanding
digital/internet alert businesses, then we should polish the methodology
of the tool set somewhat.

Pero, hombres, esto es solo mis dos centavos y usted debe construir sus
propios sueños. 

Pedro




-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of John Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 7:00 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] About Formalizing an Enterprise PHP and
thePHP+Developer

This is sillyness in my opinion.  All certs are fatally flawed.  As
soon as you write a good test, someone writes a better study guide.  I
personally think the latest Zend test would be hard to improve upon.
If you think you can do better than Zend, Microsoft, et al, I think
you are kidding yourself, but I would love to be proven wrong.

John C.
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