[nycphp-talk] ColdFusion vs PHP (Ruby, Perl....)
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Thu May 1 17:34:17 EDT 2008
I can't seem to locate enough detailed information on the basis for that
PHP usage graph to comment.
But I would think it silly, were there to be a Graph showing PHP
declining steadily, on the PHP site. =D
-Ed
Kristina Anderson wrote:
> This looks really interesting, but they say that
>
> "In the April 2008 survey we received responses from 165,719,150 sites.
> Most of this month's growth of 3.1 million sites is seen in the US,
> with Google's Blogger service alone adding 1.1 million extra sites."
>
> But the graph below says that total active sites (red line) number
> slightly more than 66,400,000 ...?
>
> Are they including inactive sites in their number of +/- 20 million
> sites using PHP? If so how would that affect the accuracy of this
> survey? (i.e. if someone goes out and buys a domain, then replies to
> this survey saying "we are going to use PHP" but never actually does
> so...?)
>
> --Kristina
>
>
>
>> Would this work for quantifying PHP usage:
>>
>> http://www.php.net/usage.php
>>
>> Now find that CF usage link and compare the two.
>>
>> -Anthony
>>
>> Webmaster wrote:
>>
>>> Kristina Anderson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ed, I agree, it would be great if we could find some methodology
>>>>
> that
>
>>>> could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt on an empirical basis that
>>>>
> PHP
>
>>>> is a more popular platform than Cold Fusion. I can't adequately
>>>> defend my contention to your exacting standards at the present
>>>>
> moment,
>
>>>> because you're right, I don't have the data. But I believe that
>>>>
> the
>
>>>> data is gatherable and that my theory is valid.
>>>>
>>> I do too. But I would like it quantified as well.
>>>
>>>> So anyone have any ideas how to do that, links, information,
>>>>
> empirical
>
>>>> studies, etc. etc & etc ... bring 'em on.
>>>>
>>>> We could do an empirical analysis of job postings on 10 or so
>>>>
> general
>
>>>> tech job boards over a time period of a year...?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> That sounds interesting.
>>>
>>>> PS Ed, your own link to the TIOBE website showed that they listed
>>>>
> Cold
>
>>>> Fusion at the bottom of the popularity grid...and PHP was in the
>>>>
> top
>
>>>> half. But you're saying that you have "problems with their
>>>> methodology", OK. But you can have problems with any methodology
>>>>
> or
>
>>>> means of proof, and that in and of itself is an emotional
>>>> response...based on your beliefs and temperament...and btw there's
>>>> nothing wrong with that! :=]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I believe this to be a straw man.
>>> I never said I had "problems with their methodology". I said "which
>>>
> i
>
>>> think are erroneous", and logically so.
>>> I posted a link to the 2 illogical assumptions that support the
>>>
> TIOBE
>
>>> indexes as being fallacious.
>>> I will clearly list them here, as it seems you didn't follow that
>>>
> link
>
>>> (poor scholarship):
>>> # that the number of search engine hits for the phrase “/foo/
>>> programming” is proportional to the “popularity” of that language.
>>> # that the proportionality /is the same for different languages/.
>>> It is therefore logically unsound to deduce that the TIOBE indexes
>>>
> are
>
>>> correct in a truly accurate esteem.
>>> All they are graphing reduces to search engine results, and nothing
>>>
> more.
>
>>>> I mean let's face it, people have "proved beyond doubt" all sorts
>>>>
> of
>
>>>> things which flat out ain't so, right?
>>>>
>>>> -- Kristina
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I'm not sure what you are looking to express with that (perhaps
>>> rhetorical?) question.
>>>
>>> <X>Out of curiosity<X>
>>> <XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX>
>>> What would be an example of something "proved beyond doubt"
>>>
> that "flat
>
>>> out ain't so"?
>>> (Please refrain from listing some historic event of ignorance, such
>>>
> as
>
>>> meat becoming maggots or the Earth being flat. We are discussing a
>>> comparison of actual market holding betwixt two modern programming
>>> languages. Feel free to respond off list.)
>>> <XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX>
>>>
>>> In fact, there is not a clearly quantified amount of conclusive
>>> information to accurately deduce that PHP (or any other language)
>>>
> holds
>
>>> this or that particular portion of the 'market'. Therefore, to
>>>
> propose
>
>>> we find a 'reason' for PHP holding the majority of the 'market
>>>
> share',
>
>>> is pure nonsense, as we do not know that PHP holds such a portion.
>>>
> We
>
>>> may as well propose to find a reason for which Coldfusion holds the
>>> largest share of the market, or Python, or Flex, or Java, or
>>>
> COBOL...
>
>>> Perhaps this thread may be a catalyst to develop a better means of
>>> accurately surveying language utilization in a granular fashion.
>>>
>>> -Ed
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