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[Anthony Papillion]

Hmm...good points Kristina and it brought up a few things I'd not
considered. Perhaps I need to raise my rates a bit.

Anthony

On 04/02/2011 03:17 AM, Kristina Anderson wrote:
> Most programmers on this esteemed list, including those who are located
> in remote areas of the U.S., agree that working for substantially less
> than $50 sets a bad example and undercuts a living wage for the whole
> lot of us.  I know many programmers outside of NYC who also earn the
> standard $50 an hour and I think that, for anyone of any reasonable
> expertise and experience, between $45-50 is a very reasonable benchmark
> and for costing out "lump sum" projects, the $2,000 a week figure is
> useful.
> 
> Bear in mind that for every hour we bill out, we also incur the cost of
> expenses, business losses through unpaid invoices, unpaid time spent
> marketing, bookkeeping etc.  In reality, billing at $25 an hour would
> lead to a poverty income for any consultant, unless they were
> consistently able to bill 60+ hours each & every week of the year, which
> is not a reasonable or pleasant expectation.
> 
> Kristina
> 
> On 4/2/2011 3:56 AM, Anthony Papillion wrote:
>> Well, my point wasn't so much an exact price but rather that the rate
>> you charge largely has to do with where you're providing services. Since
>> I'm not sure where Bruce is (I am assuming NYC but I don't know) I
>> simply used a number I'd seen elsewhere. The number itself is
>> meaningless, really, but the idea was what I was trying to convey.
>>
>> You're right though that 'website design' probably does differ a lot in
>> rate from programming but numbers weren't my point. :-)
>>
>> Anthony
>>
>>
>> On 04/02/2011 02:39 AM, Kristina Anderson wrote:
>>> That is incorrect.  Perhaps a few programmers at Wall Street firms are
>>> getting $90 an hour, but the going rate for normal folks here in NYC is
>>> about $50/hr.
>>>
>>> Although for sure plenty of folks come onto the NYC list and try to
>>> undercut our rates...
>>>
>>> Also "website redesign" is not usually programming but involves other
>>> skills (like CSS, graphics design, etc).  I would not be surprised to
>>> see rates differ between that and actual programming tasks.
>>>
>>> Kristina
>>>
>>> On 4/2/2011 12:04 AM, Anthony Papillion wrote:
>>>> Hi Bruce,
>>>>
>>>> I think it largely depends where you are. For example, if you're in
>>>> NYC, you can easily command a *much* higher rate than I can here in
>>>> Oklahoma. In NYC, the going rate is $90+ an hour I hear while I work
>>>> comfortably here for $25.50 to $30 an hour. So depending on where you
>>>> are, you might not be undercharging at all.
>>>>
>>>> Check your competition and see what they charge. Set your prices
>>>> according to your local market.
>>>>
>>>> Anthony
>>>>
>>>> On 4/1/11, Bruce Martin<bmartin at mac.com>   wrote:
>>>>> Hi all, I was wondering how much the going rate for a website
>>>>> redesign is
>>>>> going for now days. I am always turned down in my town for charging
>>>>> too
>>>>> much, but I really can't see doing a site for less.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/07/18m-being-spent-to-redesign-recoverygov-web-site.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I am under charging. Sorry to bring this up but it is really
>>>>> eating
>>>>> away at me, as I know I would have loved to been in on this bidding,
>>>>> if in
>>>>> deed it did go up for bid.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bruce Martin
>>>>> c. 917-727-8230
>>>>> p. 570-421-0670
>>>>> bmartin at mac.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
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