From ron at vnetworx.net  Thu Mar  1 12:37:54 2012
From: ron at vnetworx.net (Ron Guerin)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 12:37:54 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OS X home directory PHP-CLI
In-Reply-To: <2589D9F4-AB7B-48DC-A543-07CA0185853B@beaffinitive.com>
References: <4F4442B3.5010403@vnetworx.net>	<CAE1ELnJK1=Q5GoYMfyE=qoSYfuFxmYQfOXh87M+EdNF8_JkozA@mail.gmail.com>
	<2589D9F4-AB7B-48DC-A543-07CA0185853B@beaffinitive.com>
Message-ID: <4F4FB3F2.9010602@vnetworx.net>

(resent because it never made it back to me)

On 02/22/2012 12:01 AM, Rob Marscher wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Ron Guerin <ron at vnetworx.net
>> <mailto:ron at vnetworx.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     I don't have a Mac, and I haven't turned up much useful in Google, so
>>     I'm hoping someone here has written a CLI PHP script for OS X.
>>
>>     I understand that you can't count on HOME to be set.  Is there a
>>     reliable way to find the user's home directory on OS X in PHP?
> 
> On Feb 21, 2012, at 8:26 PM, Federico Ulfo wrote:
>> $home_dir = exec( "cd ~
>>     pwd" );
> 
> FWIW, $_ENV['HOME'] is set on my laptop.
> 
> Here's Federico's technique on one line with backticks:
> 
> $home = `cd ~; pwd`;

I'd read somewhere that scripts launched from the GUI don't necessarily
have HOME set in the environment.   Perhaps that's not true, but I'll go
with one of the suggestions you or Federico made in the event I don't
find HOME.

My thanks to both of you!

- Ron


From chsnyder at gmail.com  Fri Mar  2 08:24:07 2012
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 08:24:07 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP 5.4.0
Message-ID: <CAPKKYS3wdZK+bMfiybJ6Xmw_Sjv=gGmPaexjfZo7P+G=d5=-xA@mail.gmail.com>

PHP 5.4 is finally ready for the show. Have you used it? Any gotchas?
http://php.net/releases/5_4_0.php

It's a little thing, but I'm looking forward to being able to declare
arrays using the short syntax:

$items = [];

No more register globals, no more magic quotes, and no more safe mode.
Our little hypertext preprocessor is all grown up!

Chris Snyder
http://chxor.chxo.com/


From ant92083 at gmail.com  Fri Mar  2 09:50:44 2012
From: ant92083 at gmail.com (Anthony W.)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 09:50:44 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP 5.4.0
In-Reply-To: <CAPKKYS3wdZK+bMfiybJ6Xmw_Sjv=gGmPaexjfZo7P+G=d5=-xA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPKKYS3wdZK+bMfiybJ6Xmw_Sjv=gGmPaexjfZo7P+G=d5=-xA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F50DE44.5020501@gmail.com>

I am looking forward to array dereferencing from function return statements.

function foo() {
     return array('awesomeness'=>'PHP');
}

echo foo()['awesomeness'];

-- 
Anthony W.
ant92083 at gmail.com



From rmarscher at beaffinitive.com  Fri Mar  2 10:48:45 2012
From: rmarscher at beaffinitive.com (Rob Marscher)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 10:48:45 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP 5.4.0
In-Reply-To: <CAPKKYS3wdZK+bMfiybJ6Xmw_Sjv=gGmPaexjfZo7P+G=d5=-xA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPKKYS3wdZK+bMfiybJ6Xmw_Sjv=gGmPaexjfZo7P+G=d5=-xA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <642E6765-D854-4EFC-B584-E310D8A0510B@beaffinitive.com>


On Mar 2, 2012, at 8:24 AM, Chris Snyder wrote:

> It's a little thing, but I'm looking forward to being able to declare
> arrays using the short syntax:
> 
> $items = [];

Me too.  There was an RFC for javascript-style object literals which I was really excited about, but it was pretty much shot down.  I was going to try to make a patch for it, but never found enough time to dig into how the parser works.
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/objectarrayliterals

I'm excited about Traits.  http://php.net/manual/en/language.oop5.traits.php  It removes the need for multiple levels of subclassing in some cases.




From rainelemental at gmail.com  Fri Mar  2 11:20:52 2012
From: rainelemental at gmail.com (Federico Ulfo)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 11:20:52 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP 5.4.0
In-Reply-To: <642E6765-D854-4EFC-B584-E310D8A0510B@beaffinitive.com>
References: <CAPKKYS3wdZK+bMfiybJ6Xmw_Sjv=gGmPaexjfZo7P+G=d5=-xA@mail.gmail.com>
	<642E6765-D854-4EFC-B584-E310D8A0510B@beaffinitive.com>
Message-ID: <CAE1ELnK5VDx+TCkd-EQ-vSSHWVUnSmPzr-TR9V0rLpptw=FRPg@mail.gmail.com>

Short code, is cool
$name = (new DB)->get_row()["name"];

Short array is nice
[ "user" => [ "name" => "Neytiri", "color" => "blue", "language" => "Na-vi"
] ];

<?= is now always available regardless of the short_open_tag setting,
finally!

I just don't get the syntax of traits, why not a simpler syntax, class C
extends A, B?



Here is the complete ChangeLog:
http://php.net/ChangeLog-5.php



On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Rob Marscher <rmarscher at beaffinitive.com>wrote:

>
> On Mar 2, 2012, at 8:24 AM, Chris Snyder wrote:
>
> > It's a little thing, but I'm looking forward to being able to declare
> > arrays using the short syntax:
> >
> > $items = [];
>
> Me too.  There was an RFC for javascript-style object literals which I was
> really excited about, but it was pretty much shot down.  I was going to try
> to make a patch for it, but never found enough time to dig into how the
> parser works.
> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/objectarrayliterals
>
> I'm excited about Traits.
> http://php.net/manual/en/language.oop5.traits.php  It removes the need
> for multiple levels of subclassing in some cases.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show-participation
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From rainelemental at gmail.com  Fri Mar  2 12:06:57 2012
From: rainelemental at gmail.com (Federico Ulfo)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 12:06:57 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP 5.4.0
In-Reply-To: <CAE1ELnK5VDx+TCkd-EQ-vSSHWVUnSmPzr-TR9V0rLpptw=FRPg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPKKYS3wdZK+bMfiybJ6Xmw_Sjv=gGmPaexjfZo7P+G=d5=-xA@mail.gmail.com>
	<642E6765-D854-4EFC-B584-E310D8A0510B@beaffinitive.com>
	<CAE1ELnK5VDx+TCkd-EQ-vSSHWVUnSmPzr-TR9V0rLpptw=FRPg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE1ELnKxiyaYsGL3s4ggKg04JzW3A-jhaiY8nngZWTY-cowgdw@mail.gmail.com>

I've to correct what I wrote before about traits.

PHP 5.4 implements traits instead of multiple inheritance, because the
multiple inheritance can cause the "diamond problem"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_problem


On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Federico Ulfo <rainelemental at gmail.com>wrote:

> Short code, is cool
> $name = (new DB)->get_row()["name"];
>
> Short array is nice
> [ "user" => [ "name" => "Neytiri", "color" => "blue", "language" =>
> "Na-vi" ] ];
>
> <?= is now always available regardless of the short_open_tag setting,
> finally!
>
> I just don't get the syntax of traits, why not a simpler syntax, class C
> extends A, B?
>
>
>
> Here is the complete ChangeLog:
> http://php.net/ChangeLog-5.php
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Rob Marscher <rmarscher at beaffinitive.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mar 2, 2012, at 8:24 AM, Chris Snyder wrote:
>>
>> > It's a little thing, but I'm looking forward to being able to declare
>> > arrays using the short syntax:
>> >
>> > $items = [];
>>
>> Me too.  There was an RFC for javascript-style object literals which I
>> was really excited about, but it was pretty much shot down.  I was going to
>> try to make a patch for it, but never found enough time to dig into how the
>> parser works.
>> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/objectarrayliterals
>>
>> I'm excited about Traits.
>> http://php.net/manual/en/language.oop5.traits.php  It removes the need
>> for multiple levels of subclassing in some cases.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>> http://www.nyphp.org/show-participation
>>
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From chsnyder at gmail.com  Fri Mar  2 12:23:29 2012
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 12:23:29 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP 5.4.0
In-Reply-To: <CAE1ELnKxiyaYsGL3s4ggKg04JzW3A-jhaiY8nngZWTY-cowgdw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPKKYS3wdZK+bMfiybJ6Xmw_Sjv=gGmPaexjfZo7P+G=d5=-xA@mail.gmail.com>
	<642E6765-D854-4EFC-B584-E310D8A0510B@beaffinitive.com>
	<CAE1ELnK5VDx+TCkd-EQ-vSSHWVUnSmPzr-TR9V0rLpptw=FRPg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAE1ELnKxiyaYsGL3s4ggKg04JzW3A-jhaiY8nngZWTY-cowgdw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPKKYS3ewSuXXxVwYOxesqiFSueMteSK-GQJEWuC9Z5kAGBkPw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Federico Ulfo <rainelemental at gmail.com> wrote:
> I've to correct what I wrote before about traits.
>
> PHP?5.4 implements traits instead of multiple inheritance, because the
> multiple inheritance can cause the "diamond problem"
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_problem

That article explains in detail how the problem is handled in other
languages. And traits can still result in conflicts that look pretty
darned similar to the diamond problem, which result in a fatal error.

So I think your question is still a good one. Nevertheless, I'm glad
we've got another way to reduce the amount of boilerplate in our
classes.


From david at davidmintz.org  Mon Mar  5 13:02:28 2012
From: david at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 13:02:28 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP 5.4.0
In-Reply-To: <CAE1ELnK5VDx+TCkd-EQ-vSSHWVUnSmPzr-TR9V0rLpptw=FRPg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPKKYS3wdZK+bMfiybJ6Xmw_Sjv=gGmPaexjfZo7P+G=d5=-xA@mail.gmail.com>
	<642E6765-D854-4EFC-B584-E310D8A0510B@beaffinitive.com>
	<CAE1ELnK5VDx+TCkd-EQ-vSSHWVUnSmPzr-TR9V0rLpptw=FRPg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAF+Sg5VqYstWjE1C0_u+7zt4yOWWYM=kZ9aveehEG0TjhkuXA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Federico Ulfo <rainelemental at gmail.com>wrote:

> Short code, is cool
> $name = (new DB)->get_row()["name"];
>
>
class member access on instantiation! Yay!

-- 
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/
It ain't over:
http://www.healthcare-now.org/
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From zippy1981 at gmail.com  Fri Mar  9 09:16:14 2012
From: zippy1981 at gmail.com (Justin Dearing)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 09:16:14 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mssql_connect() problem
In-Reply-To: <20120220.221422.26068.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com>
References: <20120220.221422.26068.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <CABsCM1MVfJHhn3XWKmytaikJ9bFVw0Xu2tEGHz27yqP92ssTJQ@mail.gmail.com>

Paul,

Is this still a problem? Are you running PHP on windows or on linux?

If you are running it on windows, you should really use the Sql Server
Driver for PHP  http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=20098.

If you are running PHP on ubuntu, the mssql driver is not available from
the default repositories. I think you will have to build it yourself.


Cheers,

Justin

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 11:14 PM, tuon1 at netzero.net <tuon1 at netzero.net>wrote:

> I'm a novice in mssql world and just getting started to learn how to
> program mssql in PHP. I'm having trouble getting PHP to execute my code
> below.  It seems that PHP doesn't recorgnize mssql_connect() as the error
> message stated so. See the error message following the code.
>
> Can anyone tell me what's wrong with it?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Paul
>
> <?php
> $database="db40442xxx";
> $localhost="db40442xxx.db.example.com";
> $username="dbo40442xxx";
> $password="databasepass1";
>
> /* Initialize and connect the database */
> $conn = mssql_connect($localhost, $username, $password);  //Line 8
> if (!$conn)
>    {
>     die('Could not connect: ' . mssql_get_last_message());
>    }
> mssql_select_db($database, $conn) or die( "Unable to select database. " .
> mssql_get_last_message());
>
> ?>
>
> Here's the error message:
>
>
> Fatal error: Call to undefined function mssql_connect() in
> E:\kunden\homepages\5\d397017418\www\Example\Registration\CreateTable.php
> on line 8
>
>
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From rakics at gmail.com  Fri Mar  9 13:09:05 2012
From: rakics at gmail.com (Sasa Rakic - Gmail)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 19:09:05 +0100
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Testing subscription
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From jeff at jeffslutz.com  Fri Mar  9 13:10:22 2012
From: jeff at jeffslutz.com (Jeff Slutz)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 13:10:22 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Testing subscription
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I got your message.  Welcome!

JS
--
Jeff Slutz
JSLEUTH LLC
3242 44th ST APT 3F
Astoria, NY 11103
c. 970.443.9390
jeff at jeffslutz.com


On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Sasa Rakic - Gmail <rakics at gmail.com> wrote:

> Test****
>
> ** **
>
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From cvasquez39 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 10 12:54:16 2012
From: cvasquez39 at gmail.com (Charles Vasquez)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 12:54:16 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Testing subscription
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Test

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Jeff Slutz <jeff at jeffslutz.com> wrote:

> I got your message.  Welcome!
>
> JS
> --
> Jeff Slutz
> JSLEUTH LLC
> 3242 44th ST APT 3F
> Astoria, NY 11103
> c. 970.443.9390
> jeff at jeffslutz.com
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Sasa Rakic - Gmail <rakics at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Test****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From rakics at gmail.com  Sat Mar 10 15:44:05 2012
From: rakics at gmail.com (Sasa Rakic - Gmail)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 21:44:05 +0100
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Testing subscription
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	<CAJxrsyNN-8-eP-Q33rTcpeTeH+jUBs84Do13md=hT7tNJWFM1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01b401ccfefe$89bd13c0$9d373b40$@gmail.com>

Hi there,

 

My name is Sasa Rakic, I am newbie on this list. I am Senior Developer with more than 14 years? experience.

More about me you can found on:

 

http://www.achiles.net

 

my Face Book page is:

 

http://www.facebook.com/rakics

 

My primary goal is to help Joomla community and learn through helping. I had crisis in my life, but when asked for

Help it was told to me: You can show that Serbs are good only through your work (I lost best student from my generation

When his vehicle was exposed more than 12 seconds, so I had some angry to myself). Also about money I got

Advice: I have money to help you, but it is in bank so I cannot get that money.

 

I am willing to give my feedback to Joomla community. I am good person only when I control what I am doing.

 

Best regards,

Sasa

 

From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Charles Vasquez
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 6:54 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Testing subscription

 

Test

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Jeff Slutz <jeff at jeffslutz.com> wrote:

I got your message.  Welcome!

JS
--
Jeff Slutz 
JSLEUTH LLC
3242 44th ST APT 3F
Astoria, NY 11103
c. 970.443.9390
jeff at jeffslutz.com



On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Sasa Rakic - Gmail <rakics at gmail.com> wrote:

Test

 


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From cvasquez39 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 10 16:56:41 2012
From: cvasquez39 at gmail.com (Charles Vasquez)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 16:56:41 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Testing subscription
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	<CAJxrsyNN-8-eP-Q33rTcpeTeH+jUBs84Do13md=hT7tNJWFM1Q@mail.gmail.com>
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what?! I don't understand. Student in an exposed vehicle? Money in the
bank? What programing language are you smoking!

On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Sasa Rakic - Gmail <rakics at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi there,****
>
> ** **
>
> My name is Sasa Rakic, I am newbie on this list. I am Senior Developer
> with more than 14 years? experience.****
>
> More about me you can found on:****
>
> ** **
>
> http://www.achiles.net****
>
> ** **
>
> my Face Book page is:****
>
> ** **
>
> http://www.facebook.com/rakics****
>
> ** **
>
> My primary goal is to help Joomla community and learn through helping. I
> had crisis in my life, but when asked for****
>
> Help it was told to me: You can show that Serbs are good only through your
> work (I lost best student from my generation****
>
> When his vehicle was exposed more than 12 seconds, so I had some angry to
> myself). Also about money I got****
>
> Advice: I have money to help you, but it is in bank so I cannot get that
> money.****
>
> ** **
>
> I am willing to give my feedback to Joomla community. I am good person
> only when I control what I am doing.****
>
> ** **
>
> Best regards,****
>
> Sasa****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Charles Vasquez
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 10, 2012 6:54 PM
> *To:* NYPHP Talk
> *Subject:* Re: [nycphp-talk] Testing subscription****
>
> ** **
>
> Test****
>
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Jeff Slutz <jeff at jeffslutz.com> wrote:****
>
> I got your message.  Welcome!
>
> JS
> --
> Jeff Slutz
> JSLEUTH LLC
> 3242 44th ST APT 3F
> Astoria, NY 11103
> c. 970.443.9390
> jeff at jeffslutz.com
>
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From rakics at gmail.com  Sat Mar 10 17:24:34 2012
From: rakics at gmail.com (Sasa Rakic - Gmail)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 23:24:34 +0100
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Testing subscription
In-Reply-To: <CAJxrsyPKL8E4qAb0mSsvX-ep7NnHou9ooxeYryip2_OM9s3eBQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002901ccfe1f$b77e22c0$267a6840$@gmail.com>	<CAOjZntseaxKGeUCO=N9LhkGKAfKJvzHYMdjJUw2HSE1t67iF1w@mail.gmail.com>	<CAJxrsyNN-8-eP-Q33rTcpeTeH+jUBs84Do13md=hT7tNJWFM1Q@mail.gmail.com>	<01b401ccfefe$89bd13c0$9d373b40$@gmail.com>
	<CAJxrsyPKL8E4qAb0mSsvX-ep7NnHou9ooxeYryip2_OM9s3eBQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01da01ccff0c$933de7e0$b9b9b7a0$@gmail.com>

 

>what?! I don't understand. Student in an exposed vehicle? Money in the bank? What programing language are you smoking!

Several of friends in my middle school was smoking, it was normal for them, 33% of young peoples in city where I had leave was smoking as we were harbor city and everything comes over the city, as son of policeman I did not have thinking in that direction.

 

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From plehrer at gmail.com  Fri Mar 16 09:11:55 2012
From: plehrer at gmail.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 09:11:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] can't get php to work
Message-ID: <CAGPgmE6Qqakfr2-FSB-Yy84c6PRWKfrL8k4=yJSaNDuGQk0qsQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
I am trying to get the php mail function to work. I have a website
running Apache2 and PHP Version 5.3.3-7+squeeze8 on Debian. I tried to
get a test email message working. Here is my code:

<?php
$to = "plehrer at gmail.com";
$subject = "Test mail";
$message = "Hello! This is a simple email message.";
$from = "plehrer at me.outlook.com";
$headers = "From:" . $from;
mail($to,$subject,$message,$headers);
echo "Mail Sent.";
?>

Can anybody help me?

Regards,.
Peter Lehrer


From david at davidmintz.org  Fri Mar 16 11:29:30 2012
From: david at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:29:30 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] can't get php to work
In-Reply-To: <CAGPgmE6Qqakfr2-FSB-Yy84c6PRWKfrL8k4=yJSaNDuGQk0qsQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGPgmE6Qqakfr2-FSB-Yy84c6PRWKfrL8k4=yJSaNDuGQk0qsQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAF+Sg5H-QZKX8PXA5rWK21FGDqcNwopkn7LP+EMXKcQZBC2eg@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Peter Lehrer <plehrer at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> I am trying to get the php mail function to work. I have a website
> running Apache2 and PHP Version 5.3.3-7+squeeze8 on Debian. I tried to
> get a test email message working. Here is my code:
>
> <?php
> $to = "plehrer at gmail.com";
> $subject = "Test mail";
> $message = "Hello! This is a simple email message.";
> $from = "plehrer at me.outlook.com";
> $headers = "From:" . $from;
> mail($to,$subject,$message,$headers);
> echo "Mail Sent.";
> ?>
>
>
What platform are you on? What do the relevant php.ini settings look like?

http://www.php.net/manual/en/mail.configuration.php

-- 
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/
It ain't over:
http://www.healthcare-now.org/
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From david at davidmintz.org  Fri Mar 16 11:30:45 2012
From: david at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:30:45 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] can't get php to work
In-Reply-To: <CAAF+Sg5H-QZKX8PXA5rWK21FGDqcNwopkn7LP+EMXKcQZBC2eg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGPgmE6Qqakfr2-FSB-Yy84c6PRWKfrL8k4=yJSaNDuGQk0qsQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAF+Sg5H-QZKX8PXA5rWK21FGDqcNwopkn7LP+EMXKcQZBC2eg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAF+Sg4pPRUq2+3RrZNng01WXPejEj2gYVg_JbB_0C2qqmuqTA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:29 AM, David Mintz <david at davidmintz.org> wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Peter Lehrer <plehrer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I am trying to get the php mail function to work. I have a website
>> running Apache2 and PHP Version 5.3.3-7+squeeze8 on Debian. I tried to
>> get a test email message working. Here is my code:
>>
>> <?php
>> $to = "plehrer at gmail.com";
>> $subject = "Test mail";
>> $message = "Hello! This is a simple email message.";
>> $from = "plehrer at me.outlook.com";
>> $headers = "From:" . $from;
>> mail($to,$subject,$message,$headers);
>> echo "Mail Sent.";
>> ?>
>>
>>
> What platform are you on?
>

My apologies. You said Debian.

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http://davidmintz.org/
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From plehrer at gmail.com  Fri Mar 16 11:41:16 2012
From: plehrer at gmail.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:41:16 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] can't get php to work
In-Reply-To: <CAAF+Sg5H-QZKX8PXA5rWK21FGDqcNwopkn7LP+EMXKcQZBC2eg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGPgmE6Qqakfr2-FSB-Yy84c6PRWKfrL8k4=yJSaNDuGQk0qsQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAF+Sg5H-QZKX8PXA5rWK21FGDqcNwopkn7LP+EMXKcQZBC2eg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGPgmE7kTsvNjG1WMzoqwS-xgvxCmwWF6_RSDvOehS0bROTo2g@mail.gmail.com>

I think my problem is I don't have sendmail installed.

Peter

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:29 AM, David Mintz <david at davidmintz.org> wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Peter Lehrer <plehrer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I am trying to get the php mail function to work. I have a website
>> running Apache2 and PHP Version 5.3.3-7+squeeze8 on Debian. I tried to
>> get a test email message working. Here is my code:
>>
>> <?php
>> $to = "plehrer at gmail.com";
>> $subject = "Test mail";
>> $message = "Hello! This is a simple email message.";
>> $from = "plehrer at me.outlook.com";
>> $headers = "From:" . $from;
>> mail($to,$subject,$message,$headers);
>> echo "Mail Sent.";
>> ?>
>>
>
> What platform are you on? What do the relevant php.ini settings look like?
>
> http://www.php.net/manual/en/mail.configuration.php
>
> --
> David Mintz
> http://davidmintz.org/
> It ain't over:
> http://www.healthcare-now.org/
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show-participation


From chsnyder at gmail.com  Fri Mar 16 11:42:40 2012
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:42:40 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] can't get php to work
In-Reply-To: <CAGPgmE6Qqakfr2-FSB-Yy84c6PRWKfrL8k4=yJSaNDuGQk0qsQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGPgmE6Qqakfr2-FSB-Yy84c6PRWKfrL8k4=yJSaNDuGQk0qsQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPKKYS2shYDZeEV8hNSJpSYG4Qcm48RELqeb7UESmrT-rjdUrg@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Peter Lehrer <plehrer at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I am trying to get the php mail function to work. I have a website
> running Apache2 and PHP Version 5.3.3-7+squeeze8 on Debian. I tried to
> get a test email message working. Here is my code:
>
> <?php
> $to = "plehrer at gmail.com";
> $subject = "Test mail";
> $message = "Hello! This is a simple email message.";
> $from = "plehrer at me.outlook.com";
> $headers = "From:" . $from;
> mail($to,$subject,$message,$headers);
> echo "Mail Sent.";
> ?>
>
> Can anybody help me?
>

Best way to debug mailing issues is to view the mail log and see if
there are any clues as to what went wrong. On Debian, it is at
/var/log/mail.log

Very often mail problems have to do with anti-spam controls in
receiving systems. Most big email companies will only accept mail from
servers with a reverse-DNS record that maps the IP address to a real
name. Also, you may be running up against SPF records created by
outlook.com that prevent forging mail from that address.

One thing I notice in your script is a missing space after the colon in "From:".


From appel at alsjeblaft.nl  Fri Mar 16 11:46:50 2012
From: appel at alsjeblaft.nl (Ap | Alsjeblaft!)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 16:46:50 +0100
Subject: [nycphp-talk] can't get php to work
In-Reply-To: <CAGPgmE7kTsvNjG1WMzoqwS-xgvxCmwWF6_RSDvOehS0bROTo2g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGPgmE6Qqakfr2-FSB-Yy84c6PRWKfrL8k4=yJSaNDuGQk0qsQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAF+Sg5H-QZKX8PXA5rWK21FGDqcNwopkn7LP+EMXKcQZBC2eg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGPgmE7kTsvNjG1WMzoqwS-xgvxCmwWF6_RSDvOehS0bROTo2g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH3sjmK-g=_gV_Vgd6c1dyFvSMQ68DizZQZ520KW07j2-KPqbw@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps this article is useful:
http://www.davidhurst.co.uk/2007/06/19/php-mail-and-ssmtp-on-debian-linux/

--

*Alsjeblaft!*
webdevelopment

Stuff I've built: wende.nu, sizzer.nl, happycampermusic.com, dazzledkid.com
, arthurjussen.nl, schradinova.nl, roomeleven.nl & studiopino.nl

appel at alsjeblaft.nl
http://www.alsjeblaft.nl/



On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Peter Lehrer <plehrer at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think my problem is I don't have sendmail installed.
>
> Peter
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:29 AM, David Mintz <david at davidmintz.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Peter Lehrer <plehrer at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >> I am trying to get the php mail function to work. I have a website
> >> running Apache2 and PHP Version 5.3.3-7+squeeze8 on Debian. I tried to
> >> get a test email message working. Here is my code:
> >>
> >> <?php
> >> $to = "plehrer at gmail.com";
> >> $subject = "Test mail";
> >> $message = "Hello! This is a simple email message.";
> >> $from = "plehrer at me.outlook.com";
> >> $headers = "From:" . $from;
> >> mail($to,$subject,$message,$headers);
> >> echo "Mail Sent.";
> >> ?>
> >>
> >
> > What platform are you on? What do the relevant php.ini settings look
> like?
> >
> > http://www.php.net/manual/en/mail.configuration.php
> >
> > --
> > David Mintz
> > http://davidmintz.org/
> > It ain't over:
> > http://www.healthcare-now.org/
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> > http://www.nyphp.org/show-participation
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show-participation
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From rainelemental at gmail.com  Fri Mar 16 11:47:48 2012
From: rainelemental at gmail.com (Federico Ulfo)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:47:48 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] can't get php to work
In-Reply-To: <CAGPgmE7kTsvNjG1WMzoqwS-xgvxCmwWF6_RSDvOehS0bROTo2g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGPgmE6Qqakfr2-FSB-Yy84c6PRWKfrL8k4=yJSaNDuGQk0qsQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAF+Sg5H-QZKX8PXA5rWK21FGDqcNwopkn7LP+EMXKcQZBC2eg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGPgmE7kTsvNjG1WMzoqwS-xgvxCmwWF6_RSDvOehS0bROTo2g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE1ELnL=3U9Sc6aUWNhn_VPtiagw2dKCPRhPt_iZxsGzvHtZEQ@mail.gmail.com>

Exactly. It's easy:
http://www.linuxserverhowto.com/linux-mail-server-sendmail/install-sendmail-using-apt-get.html

As alternative you can use dedicated SMTP servers, which often are more
reliable than shared hosting server, although way slower.





On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Peter Lehrer <plehrer at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think my problem is I don't have sendmail installed.
>
> Peter
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:29 AM, David Mintz <david at davidmintz.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Peter Lehrer <plehrer at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >> I am trying to get the php mail function to work. I have a website
> >> running Apache2 and PHP Version 5.3.3-7+squeeze8 on Debian. I tried to
> >> get a test email message working. Here is my code:
> >>
> >> <?php
> >> $to = "plehrer at gmail.com";
> >> $subject = "Test mail";
> >> $message = "Hello! This is a simple email message.";
> >> $from = "plehrer at me.outlook.com";
> >> $headers = "From:" . $from;
> >> mail($to,$subject,$message,$headers);
> >> echo "Mail Sent.";
> >> ?>
> >>
> >
> > What platform are you on? What do the relevant php.ini settings look
> like?
> >
> > http://www.php.net/manual/en/mail.configuration.php
> >
> > --
> > David Mintz
> > http://davidmintz.org/
> > It ain't over:
> > http://www.healthcare-now.org/
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> > http://www.nyphp.org/show-participation
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show-participation
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From plehrer at gmail.com  Fri Mar 16 11:49:56 2012
From: plehrer at gmail.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:49:56 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] can't get php to work
In-Reply-To: <CAPKKYS2shYDZeEV8hNSJpSYG4Qcm48RELqeb7UESmrT-rjdUrg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGPgmE6Qqakfr2-FSB-Yy84c6PRWKfrL8k4=yJSaNDuGQk0qsQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPKKYS2shYDZeEV8hNSJpSYG4Qcm48RELqeb7UESmrT-rjdUrg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGPgmE4+5nQT_8qquRpy5JCPCrUhpEWbSoo8UheSOiurbZmb=Q@mail.gmail.com>

OK, Thanks. I installed sendmail on my local machine and got it to
work. However, when I send it to my gmail account, it goes into spam.
This is probably due to the reason Chris enumerated.

Peter

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Chris Snyder <chsnyder at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Peter Lehrer <plehrer at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I am trying to get the php mail function to work. I have a website
>> running Apache2 and PHP Version 5.3.3-7+squeeze8 on Debian. I tried to
>> get a test email message working. Here is my code:
>>
>> <?php
>> $to = "plehrer at gmail.com";
>> $subject = "Test mail";
>> $message = "Hello! This is a simple email message.";
>> $from = "plehrer at me.outlook.com";
>> $headers = "From:" . $from;
>> mail($to,$subject,$message,$headers);
>> echo "Mail Sent.";
>> ?>
>>
>> Can anybody help me?
>>
>
> Best way to debug mailing issues is to view the mail log and see if
> there are any clues as to what went wrong. On Debian, it is at
> /var/log/mail.log
>
> Very often mail problems have to do with anti-spam controls in
> receiving systems. Most big email companies will only accept mail from
> servers with a reverse-DNS record that maps the IP address to a real
> name. Also, you may be running up against SPF records created by
> outlook.com that prevent forging mail from that address.
>
> One thing I notice in your script is a missing space after the colon in "From:".
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show-participation


From rainelemental at gmail.com  Fri Mar 16 12:02:22 2012
From: rainelemental at gmail.com (Federico Ulfo)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 12:02:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] can't get php to work
In-Reply-To: <CAGPgmE4+5nQT_8qquRpy5JCPCrUhpEWbSoo8UheSOiurbZmb=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGPgmE6Qqakfr2-FSB-Yy84c6PRWKfrL8k4=yJSaNDuGQk0qsQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPKKYS2shYDZeEV8hNSJpSYG4Qcm48RELqeb7UESmrT-rjdUrg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGPgmE4+5nQT_8qquRpy5JCPCrUhpEWbSoo8UheSOiurbZmb=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE1ELnLYpaS=OjQ8bCUbWPJw5meXLp+o+5ka970VBKw46Hvrcw@mail.gmail.com>

Yup, also shared hosting often are hacked used to send mass email, and
obviously black listed, so it depends by the security level of the receiver
of the email if the email go into inbox or spam!

I did a few mass mail using SMTP, they are slow, like one email every 1-3
seconds, and PHP wait for the email to be sent,  so to avoid users waiting
for the email sending, you want to setup a mail pipeline and a chron job,
or, using some trick like opening the script the send the email into an
iframe.


On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Peter Lehrer <plehrer at gmail.com> wrote:

> OK, Thanks. I installed sendmail on my local machine and got it to
> work. However, when I send it to my gmail account, it goes into spam.
> This is probably due to the reason Chris enumerated.
>
> Peter
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Chris Snyder <chsnyder at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Peter Lehrer <plehrer at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> I am trying to get the php mail function to work. I have a website
> >> running Apache2 and PHP Version 5.3.3-7+squeeze8 on Debian. I tried to
> >> get a test email message working. Here is my code:
> >>
> >> <?php
> >> $to = "plehrer at gmail.com";
> >> $subject = "Test mail";
> >> $message = "Hello! This is a simple email message.";
> >> $from = "plehrer at me.outlook.com";
> >> $headers = "From:" . $from;
> >> mail($to,$subject,$message,$headers);
> >> echo "Mail Sent.";
> >> ?>
> >>
> >> Can anybody help me?
> >>
> >
> > Best way to debug mailing issues is to view the mail log and see if
> > there are any clues as to what went wrong. On Debian, it is at
> > /var/log/mail.log
> >
> > Very often mail problems have to do with anti-spam controls in
> > receiving systems. Most big email companies will only accept mail from
> > servers with a reverse-DNS record that maps the IP address to a real
> > name. Also, you may be running up against SPF records created by
> > outlook.com that prevent forging mail from that address.
> >
> > One thing I notice in your script is a missing space after the colon in
> "From:".
> > _______________________________________________
> > New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
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From justin at justinhileman.info  Fri Mar 16 13:17:13 2012
From: justin at justinhileman.info (justin)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 10:17:13 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] can't get php to work
In-Reply-To: <CAGPgmE4+5nQT_8qquRpy5JCPCrUhpEWbSoo8UheSOiurbZmb=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGPgmE6Qqakfr2-FSB-Yy84c6PRWKfrL8k4=yJSaNDuGQk0qsQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPKKYS2shYDZeEV8hNSJpSYG4Qcm48RELqeb7UESmrT-rjdUrg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGPgmE4+5nQT_8qquRpy5JCPCrUhpEWbSoo8UheSOiurbZmb=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+3=dgGMzt5BPXQiOnwNsDZ7LqZ=VcKbFjeQbcbqfMjAhzDwEA@mail.gmail.com>

I usually use SendGrid (or something similar). Mail/spam/blacklist/etc
just isn't worth dealing with :)

--j


On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Peter Lehrer <plehrer at gmail.com> wrote:
> OK, Thanks. I installed sendmail on my local machine and got it to
> work. However, when I send it to my gmail account, it goes into spam.
> This is probably due to the reason Chris enumerated.
>
> Peter
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Chris Snyder <chsnyder at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Peter Lehrer <plehrer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I am trying to get the php mail function to work. I have a website
>>> running Apache2 and PHP Version 5.3.3-7+squeeze8 on Debian. I tried to
>>> get a test email message working. Here is my code:
>>>
>>> <?php
>>> $to = "plehrer at gmail.com";
>>> $subject = "Test mail";
>>> $message = "Hello! This is a simple email message.";
>>> $from = "plehrer at me.outlook.com";
>>> $headers = "From:" . $from;
>>> mail($to,$subject,$message,$headers);
>>> echo "Mail Sent.";
>>> ?>
>>>
>>> Can anybody help me?
>>>
>>
>> Best way to debug mailing issues is to view the mail log and see if
>> there are any clues as to what went wrong. On Debian, it is at
>> /var/log/mail.log
>>
>> Very often mail problems have to do with anti-spam controls in
>> receiving systems. Most big email companies will only accept mail from
>> servers with a reverse-DNS record that maps the IP address to a real
>> name. Also, you may be running up against SPF records created by
>> outlook.com that prevent forging mail from that address.
>>
>> One thing I notice in your script is a missing space after the colon in "From:".
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From rakics at gmail.com  Fri Mar 16 14:13:12 2012
From: rakics at gmail.com (Sasa Rakic - Gmail)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:13:12 +0100
Subject: [nycphp-talk] can't get php to work
In-Reply-To: <CA+3=dgGMzt5BPXQiOnwNsDZ7LqZ=VcKbFjeQbcbqfMjAhzDwEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGPgmE6Qqakfr2-FSB-Yy84c6PRWKfrL8k4=yJSaNDuGQk0qsQ@mail.gmail.com>	<CAPKKYS2shYDZeEV8hNSJpSYG4Qcm48RELqeb7UESmrT-rjdUrg@mail.gmail.com>	<CAGPgmE4+5nQT_8qquRpy5JCPCrUhpEWbSoo8UheSOiurbZmb=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+3=dgGMzt5BPXQiOnwNsDZ7LqZ=VcKbFjeQbcbqfMjAhzDwEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <015001cd03a0$739f8fe0$5adeafa0$@gmail.com>

I am using this code for HTML mail send:

<?php
	$mailRecepientTo = "email at test.com";
	$mailRecepientCc = "";
	$mailRecepientBcc = "";
	$mailSenderFrom = "Sitename Team <" . "test at test.com" . ">";
	$mailSenderReplyTo = "Sitename Team <" . "test at test.com" . ">";
	
	if ($isDevMachine)
	{
		$mailRecepientTo = "dev at test.com";
		$mailRecepientCc = "";
		$mailRecepientBcc = "";
		$mailSenderFrom = "";
		$mailSenderReplyTo = "";
	}

  ob_start();
  require_once("contact.mail.html");
  $mailBody = ob_get_contents();
  ob_end_clean();

  mail($mailRecepientTo,
       "New Contact Us submission",
       $mailBody,
       ($mailRecepientCc == "" ? "" : "Cc: " . $mailRecepientCc . "\n") .
       ($mailRecepientBcc == "" ? "" : "Bcc: " . $mailRecepientBcc . "\n") .
       ($mailSenderFrom == "" ? "" : "From: " . $mailSenderFrom . "\n") .
       ($mailSenderReplyTo == "" ? "" : "Reply-To: " . $mailSenderReplyTo .
"\n") .
       "X-Mailer: PHP/" . phpversion() . "\n" .
       "MIME-version: 1.0\n" . 
       "Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii\n" . 
       "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n\n");

?>

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of justin
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 6:17 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] can't get php to work

I usually use SendGrid (or something similar). Mail/spam/blacklist/etc just
isn't worth dealing with :)

--j


On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Peter Lehrer <plehrer at gmail.com> wrote:
> OK, Thanks. I installed sendmail on my local machine and got it to 
> work. However, when I send it to my gmail account, it goes into spam.
> This is probably due to the reason Chris enumerated.
>
> Peter
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Chris Snyder <chsnyder at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Peter Lehrer <plehrer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I am trying to get the php mail function to work. I have a website 
>>> running Apache2 and PHP Version 5.3.3-7+squeeze8 on Debian. I tried 
>>> to get a test email message working. Here is my code:
>>>
>>> <?php
>>> $to = "plehrer at gmail.com";
>>> $subject = "Test mail";
>>> $message = "Hello! This is a simple email message."; $from = 
>>> "plehrer at me.outlook.com"; $headers = "From:" . $from; 
>>> mail($to,$subject,$message,$headers);
>>> echo "Mail Sent.";
>>> ?>
>>>
>>> Can anybody help me?
>>>
>>
>> Best way to debug mailing issues is to view the mail log and see if 
>> there are any clues as to what went wrong. On Debian, it is at 
>> /var/log/mail.log
>>
>> Very often mail problems have to do with anti-spam controls in 
>> receiving systems. Most big email companies will only accept mail 
>> from servers with a reverse-DNS record that maps the IP address to a 
>> real name. Also, you may be running up against SPF records created by 
>> outlook.com that prevent forging mail from that address.
>>
>> One thing I notice in your script is a missing space after the colon in
"From:".
>> _______________________________________________
>> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List 
>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>> http://www.nyphp.org/show-participation
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>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show-participation



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From rakics at gmail.com  Fri Mar 16 14:14:43 2012
From: rakics at gmail.com (Sasa Rakic - Gmail)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:14:43 +0100
Subject: [nycphp-talk] can't get php to work
In-Reply-To: <CA+3=dgGMzt5BPXQiOnwNsDZ7LqZ=VcKbFjeQbcbqfMjAhzDwEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGPgmE6Qqakfr2-FSB-Yy84c6PRWKfrL8k4=yJSaNDuGQk0qsQ@mail.gmail.com>	<CAPKKYS2shYDZeEV8hNSJpSYG4Qcm48RELqeb7UESmrT-rjdUrg@mail.gmail.com>	<CAGPgmE4+5nQT_8qquRpy5JCPCrUhpEWbSoo8UheSOiurbZmb=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+3=dgGMzt5BPXQiOnwNsDZ7LqZ=VcKbFjeQbcbqfMjAhzDwEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <015101cd03a0$aa0b4b50$fe21e1f0$@gmail.com>


If you need SMTP mail example I can send it.


-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of justin
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 6:17 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] can't get php to work

I usually use SendGrid (or something similar). Mail/spam/blacklist/etc just
isn't worth dealing with :)

--j


On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Peter Lehrer <plehrer at gmail.com> wrote:
> OK, Thanks. I installed sendmail on my local machine and got it to 
> work. However, when I send it to my gmail account, it goes into spam.
> This is probably due to the reason Chris enumerated.
>
> Peter
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Chris Snyder <chsnyder at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Peter Lehrer <plehrer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I am trying to get the php mail function to work. I have a website 
>>> running Apache2 and PHP Version 5.3.3-7+squeeze8 on Debian. I tried 
>>> to get a test email message working. Here is my code:
>>>
>>> <?php
>>> $to = "plehrer at gmail.com";
>>> $subject = "Test mail";
>>> $message = "Hello! This is a simple email message."; $from = 
>>> "plehrer at me.outlook.com"; $headers = "From:" . $from; 
>>> mail($to,$subject,$message,$headers);
>>> echo "Mail Sent.";
>>> ?>
>>>
>>> Can anybody help me?
>>>
>>
>> Best way to debug mailing issues is to view the mail log and see if 
>> there are any clues as to what went wrong. On Debian, it is at 
>> /var/log/mail.log
>>
>> Very often mail problems have to do with anti-spam controls in 
>> receiving systems. Most big email companies will only accept mail 
>> from servers with a reverse-DNS record that maps the IP address to a 
>> real name. Also, you may be running up against SPF records created by 
>> outlook.com that prevent forging mail from that address.
>>
>> One thing I notice in your script is a missing space after the colon in
"From:".
>> _______________________________________________
>> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List 
>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>> http://www.nyphp.org/show-participation
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List 
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show-participation



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From garyamort at gmail.com  Mon Mar 19 11:38:05 2012
From: garyamort at gmail.com (Gary Mort)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 11:38:05 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Are Singletons Really Evil?
Message-ID: <4F6752DD.3020601@gmail.com>

Yay...  Spring is here, blood starts flowing, mind starts stuttering.   
So I figured I'd ask others opinions on if singleton's really are 
"evil".  It seems to me that "singletons are evil" is part of the a 
classic programmer pattern: a lot of programmers get burned by 
something, they declare it evil and propose something 'new'[I beleive 
the evolution is towards 'dependency injection'], and a new paradigm 
takes control for a while..

The issue I see though is that in the end, all that is really being done 
is a new methodology is being created to solve two age old issues: 
globals and configuration information.  At the end of the day, it's not 
the method that is in itself "evil", but rather the lack of unified 
programming discipline and initial failures discovered.

Back when I started programming[30 years ago] and as I progressed, 
'object oriented' code wasn't a system and everyone used globals.  
Venerable good coding practices were to document your functions - to 
specify what these functions required, what global variables they might 
need, what variables they set, etc.

Yet time after time, coders do not follow this practice.  They do not 
document these things.  And so we get "globals are evil"...instead of 
"programmers are lazy"...  This leads to new methodology's..and these 
new methods "work" for a while, not because they are great, but because 
they are "new" so everyone follows the same rules.  And then over time, 
"programmers are lazy" and these new systems fall down.  At which point 
a "new, better" system is made.  And of course, over time problems are 
encountered, and another "new system" is created.

In the end, we have a bunch of competing methodologies and the strongest 
argument for any one of them is that the others are "evil"...or more 
precisely, the programmer making the argument has gotten burned and 
doesn't want to be burned again.

So that bring us to "why are singleton's evil?"...and the only reason I 
see come up over and over is "dependency injection"..  but when I view 
examples of dependency injection "failure" I find that the failure is a 
failure of implementation, not a failure in the concept of Singleton's.

The classic example of singleton failure goes something like this:
Given a singleton object[say a database object: $db = 
MyDBClass::getInstance();] you are 'stuck' with a single database 
connection.  If you want to have multiple database connections[say for 
an order database and a data warehouse - you can't simply call $db = 
MyDBClass:getInstance(); and $dw = MyDBCLass::getInstance();  and 
magically get 2 different database connections.  Even worse is that you 
can't 'unit test' classes which use the database object because you 
can't have a test/mock database object.

Now, this may well have been true for PHP when people first started 
using singleton's.  But today there are at least 3 ways, without using 
dependency injection, that I can think of off the top of my head to 
solve this problem.

For unit testing:
----
class MockDB extends DB {
// implement DB functions as mock functions
}

// create the testing database
$testDB = new MockDB();

// use the reflection class to change the instance
$changeDB = new ReflectionClass('DB');
$changeDB->setStatisPropertyValue('instance',$changeDB);
----

To override the instance in live code, one could also use the reflection 
class - or one can create a subclass just to change the instance:

Class datawarehouseDB extends DB {

public static getInstance() {
   if (get_class(self::$instance) != *|__CLASS__) {
    $datawarehouseDB = new datawarehouseDB();
    self::$instance = $datawarehouseDB;
|* }
   return parent::getInstance();
}
}

The above code will make sure that the current default db instance is a 
datawarehouseDB object.

You can also change your getInstance code to allow passing in an override:
public static getInstance($instance = null, $force = false) {
// only allow overriding instance if the instance class is ourself or 
one of children
   if (is_a($instance, __CLASS__*|) {
    // as added protection, use a force flag so that if the instance
    // has already been set, the new code must explicitly FORCE override
   // ie: make the coder think about what they are doing
   if ((self::$instance === null) || ($force === true)) {
     self:$instance = $instance;
|* }
  }
// now back to our traditional getInstance code
   if (self::$instance == null) {
     self::$instance = new DB();
}
   return self::$instance;
}

I've also seen from time to time where instance can also be used to 
refer to an array of instances.  IE
public static getInstance($keyword = 'default') {
// now back to our traditional getInstance code
   if (!(isset(self::$instances[$keyword]))) {
     self::$instances[$keyword] = new DB();
}
   return self::$instances[$keyword];
}

}


Now, my point with the above is not to say this is "the way" one should 
do things - it is just to point out that with the state of PHP 5.3 
today, many of the "singleton's are evil" arguments no longer hold 
water.  As such, when you inherit a codebase using singleton's which is 
having all these traditional problems[unit testing, the need for 
multiple objects at times, etc] - I don't see any reason to rush to 
replace all the existing calls to getInstance with some new 
methodology.  Instead you can use the ReflectionClass or any one of a 
number of different changes in order to setup unit tests without making 
lengthy, invasive code changes.

At the end of the day, I can't think of any decently sized application 
which will not at some point need to store/retrieve configuration data 
from somewhere and have objects which inter-operate with each other.  
The main thing to keep in mind is not the '_____ method is evil' - but 
rather to be consistent in using some methodology.

So my question is....what is it I'm missing?  What massively obvious 
reason is there that makes Singleton's "evil"?  Or is it just part of 
the 30+ year pattern in programming I've noticed that "newer is better" 
where there is reason for change "in general" - but that instead it 
depends on the situation/case what the best solution is?

-Gary
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From ant92083 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 19 11:54:40 2012
From: ant92083 at gmail.com (Anthony W.)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 11:54:40 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Are Singletons Really Evil?
In-Reply-To: <4F6752DD.3020601@gmail.com>
References: <4F6752DD.3020601@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F6756C0.9030506@gmail.com>

I think the "evil" association comes from exactly what you said, people 
getting burned.  However I feel that singleton's do have use.  For 
example a log file, you only really need one instance for example.  
However there are a couple of reasons why I would argue against 
implementing a singleton:

1.) resource usage for the life of the application
2.) thread issues (not really an issue in PHP)
3.) is this the only way, how about exposure via an interface?

Here are reasons why I argue for implementing a singleton:

1.) they describe a unique resource of the application
2.) global data is sometimes necessary
3.) limit abuse of finite system resources

I could go on all day about this but I would like to hear other arguments.

-- 
Anthony W.
ant92083 at gmail.com



From david at davidmintz.org  Mon Mar 19 12:15:06 2012
From: david at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 12:15:06 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Are Singletons Really Evil?
In-Reply-To: <4F6756C0.9030506@gmail.com>
References: <4F6752DD.3020601@gmail.com>
	<4F6756C0.9030506@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAF+Sg6-fZEnf_EfG0Rih3sqDKuzH8b=qeWEvjHK5C3Sbc-=Ww@mail.gmail.com>

Speaking as less advanced developer than most of you, in my genuinely
humble opinion:  I hope this isn't off-topic, but I've been working with
Zend Framework 1 since it was in diapers. It had a learning curve and
seemed a bit heavy but I felt it was worth it in my situation. Now comes
ZF2, and as I start reading and learning about it, I can't help but wonder
if I really need Dependency Injection. I hadn't noticed that I was having
any problem managing my dependencies, thanks. There has been one case in my
project where different classes needed access to a model instance, and I
scratched my head for a while before deciding to use a singleton. This is
the first I've heard that the pattern is considered evil by anyone. As I
look at the ZF2 documentation, I'm like, wait a second. Is this not really,
really complicated? Worse, perhaps, than the disease it's intended to cure?

-- 
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It ain't over:
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From rainelemental at gmail.com  Mon Mar 19 12:39:07 2012
From: rainelemental at gmail.com (federico ulfo)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 12:39:07 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Are Singletons Really Evil?
In-Reply-To: <CAAF+Sg6-fZEnf_EfG0Rih3sqDKuzH8b=qeWEvjHK5C3Sbc-=Ww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F6752DD.3020601@gmail.com> <4F6756C0.9030506@gmail.com>
	<CAAF+Sg6-fZEnf_EfG0Rih3sqDKuzH8b=qeWEvjHK5C3Sbc-=Ww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <-4555293909550841614@unknownmsgid>

Well, I've been using singleton for years, they do what they're supposed to
do, make a class object "global", so that you save memory and make the call
faster. Singleton/Multiton are not the best solution to make unit testable
code and extendible. Dependency Injection dolce this problem, also creatina
a standard container class ZF2 and Symfony, are creating a sorta of plugin
interface, so that you can easily interchange the classes between the 2
framework. They're thought to standardize the coding to improve the  team
work. About performance, they're obviously slower, I spoke with Fabien
Potencier and he's convinced about improving performance at the application
layer with Varnish, Amazon etc., which I agree partially, because that is
the right way for big project, definitely not for small one, like a CMS for
everyone! So consider  to keep using Singleton/Multiton and even Static
Class when you need to!

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 19, 2012, at 12:15 PM, David Mintz <david at davidmintz.org> wrote:


Speaking as less advanced developer than most of you, in my genuinely
humble opinion:  I hope this isn't off-topic, but I've been working with
Zend Framework 1 since it was in diapers. It had a learning curve and
seemed a bit heavy but I felt it was worth it in my situation. Now comes
ZF2, and as I start reading and learning about it, I can't help but wonder
if I really need Dependency Injection. I hadn't noticed that I was having
any problem managing my dependencies, thanks. There has been one case in my
project where different classes needed access to a model instance, and I
scratched my head for a while before deciding to use a singleton. This is
the first I've heard that the pattern is considered evil by anyone. As I
look at the ZF2 documentation, I'm like, wait a second. Is this not really,
really complicated? Worse, perhaps, than the disease it's intended to cure?

-- 
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/
It ain't over:
http://www.healthcare-now.org/


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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Sun Mar 25 16:07:55 2012
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 16:07:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] I've been hit with an eval(base64_decode("...."))
 injection attack
In-Reply-To: <CAAF+Sg7idDf=etjpQOiX50UyLkPeN3CcX5rxL=wGM8d2ZL0J5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAF+Sg7idDf=etjpQOiX50UyLkPeN3CcX5rxL=wGM8d2ZL0J5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120325200755.GA12577@panix.com>

Hi David:

> My Dreamhost shared hosting account just had its *.php injected with some
> garbage.

Sorry.  Alas, injecting code into legitimate sites is the #1 source
these days of infecting end user computers.  So securing our rinky-dink
personal websites has become quite important.

I recently picked WordPress for a site and then looked for security
plugins for it.  The eventually lead me to write my own plugin, which
somehow wound up taking about six weeks of intense work.  I've passed it
around for testing and code review.  I'd love to hear the thoughts of
the people here on it from a code level and user interface level.

http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/login-security-solution/


>        egrep -lr '<\?php.+eval\(base64_decode\("[^"]+"\)\);\?>'  *| xargs

I'd have just grep'ed for "eval", since that should never be in any code
I want to use.  Your regex would miss code that doesn't have double
quotes, doesn't use base64_decode, has spacing in it, etc.

Oh, and lock down your file permissions.  The web server shouldn't be
allowed to write to any files or directories.

Thanks,

--Dan

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From david at davidmintz.org  Tue Mar 27 10:47:16 2012
From: david at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 10:47:16 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] I've been hit with an eval(base64_decode("...."))
 injection attack
In-Reply-To: <20120325200755.GA12577@panix.com>
References: <CAAF+Sg7idDf=etjpQOiX50UyLkPeN3CcX5rxL=wGM8d2ZL0J5g@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Daniel Convissor <
danielc at analysisandsolutions.com> wrote:

> 'd love to hear the thoughts of
> the people here on it from a code level and user interface level.
>
> http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/login-security-solution/
>
>
Dan, I haven't tried it yet but from reading about the features, OMG! It's
great. I will install it.



>
> >        egrep -lr '<\?php.+eval\(base64_decode\("[^"]+"\)\);\?>'  *| xargs
>
> I'd have just grep'ed for "eval", since that should never be in any code
> I want to use.  Your regex would miss code that doesn't have double
> quotes, doesn't use base64_decode, has spacing in it, etc.
>

Yeah, I assembled the regex based specifically on the malicious code that I
was looking at in all my files. I suppose the trick is to fashion a regex
that catches an actual eval call inside php tags -- there's  always a
chance that the string "eval" is is somehow legitimately contained inside
some php tags.



> Oh, and lock down your file permissions.  The web server shouldn't be
> allowed to write to any files or directories.
>
>
Except when it really needs to, like for writing data to a file-based
cache, or accepting file uploads. How do you recommend handling those cases?

I have been wondering, why not chmod ALL your php files to 400? Indeed I
did this with one site after my infection, but not the several others. Then
I got hit again, but the site whose php files were 400 was not affected --
probably not a coincidence. It's perhaps a bit of an inconvenience when you
need to update/overwrite, but I see no reason we can't relax permissions
temporarily for code deployments and reset them back when we're done.

-- 
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/
It ain't over:
http://www.healthcare-now.org/
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From chsnyder at gmail.com  Tue Mar 27 10:56:15 2012
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 10:56:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] I've been hit with an eval(base64_decode("...."))
 injection attack
In-Reply-To: <CAAF+Sg5c48yVgS=GbacMmigr4C1B8ak3i7vC7nU_wEtdpxi3yA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAF+Sg7idDf=etjpQOiX50UyLkPeN3CcX5rxL=wGM8d2ZL0J5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120325200755.GA12577@panix.com>
	<CAAF+Sg5c48yVgS=GbacMmigr4C1B8ak3i7vC7nU_wEtdpxi3yA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPKKYS3JMZk3H7_r0ZjhL8piTLy98nXV6r0fXFi67bC6goE8Qg@mail.gmail.com>

>> Oh, and lock down your file permissions. ?The web server shouldn't be
>> allowed to write to any files or directories.
>>
>
> Except when it really needs to, like for writing data to a file-based cache,
> or accepting file uploads. How do you recommend handling those cases?

On a shared host? Don't use files for those things, use your database instead.

For cache you can use SQLite if you really feel like staying in the
filesystem. For uploaded files, store them in a table in MySQL.

As a bonus, this makes backups easier. All you have to do is back up
the database and you're done.


From mkfmncom at gmail.com  Tue Mar 27 11:20:54 2012
From: mkfmncom at gmail.com (Matthew Kaufman)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:20:54 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] I've been hit with an eval(base64_decode("...."))
 injection attack
In-Reply-To: <CAPKKYS3JMZk3H7_r0ZjhL8piTLy98nXV6r0fXFi67bC6goE8Qg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAF+Sg7idDf=etjpQOiX50UyLkPeN3CcX5rxL=wGM8d2ZL0J5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120325200755.GA12577@panix.com>
	<CAAF+Sg5c48yVgS=GbacMmigr4C1B8ak3i7vC7nU_wEtdpxi3yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPKKYS3JMZk3H7_r0ZjhL8piTLy98nXV6r0fXFi67bC6goE8Qg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAKrFTxE2mhijqKe4Km43RWydtHDnQBC7yUwwD5HmV7GFAPH=w@mail.gmail.com>

Apache's mod_websecurity and Snort will help...

On Tuesday, March 27, 2012, Chris Snyder <chsnyder at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Oh, and lock down your file permissions.  The web server shouldn't be
>>> allowed to write to any files or directories.
>>>
>>
>> Except when it really needs to, like for writing data to a file-based
cache,
>> or accepting file uploads. How do you recommend handling those cases?
>
> On a shared host? Don't use files for those things, use your database
instead.
>
> For cache you can use SQLite if you really feel like staying in the
> filesystem. For uploaded files, store them in a table in MySQL.
>
> As a bonus, this makes backups easier. All you have to do is back up
> the database and you're done.
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show-participation
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From david at davidmintz.org  Tue Mar 27 12:16:01 2012
From: david at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 12:16:01 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] I've been hit with an eval(base64_decode("...."))
 injection attack
In-Reply-To: <CAAKrFTxE2mhijqKe4Km43RWydtHDnQBC7yUwwD5HmV7GFAPH=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAF+Sg7idDf=etjpQOiX50UyLkPeN3CcX5rxL=wGM8d2ZL0J5g@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAAKrFTxE2mhijqKe4Km43RWydtHDnQBC7yUwwD5HmV7GFAPH=w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAF+Sg4zWFPbEWe3RtQOVutqo4ikKjkw41fT_5o8ttCbzgCVuQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Matthew Kaufman <mkfmncom at gmail.com>wrote:

> Apache's mod_websecurity and Snort will help...
>
>
>
Thanks to all. Maybe also I should consider leaving shared hosting
altogether, and moving to Rackspace or similar. It looks like prices have
come way down.

-- 
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/
It ain't over:
http://www.healthcare-now.org/
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From mkfmncom at gmail.com  Tue Mar 27 12:19:10 2012
From: mkfmncom at gmail.com (Matthew Kaufman)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 12:19:10 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] I've been hit with an eval(base64_decode("...."))
 injection attack
In-Reply-To: <CAAF+Sg4zWFPbEWe3RtQOVutqo4ikKjkw41fT_5o8ttCbzgCVuQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAF+Sg7idDf=etjpQOiX50UyLkPeN3CcX5rxL=wGM8d2ZL0J5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120325200755.GA12577@panix.com>
	<CAAF+Sg5c48yVgS=GbacMmigr4C1B8ak3i7vC7nU_wEtdpxi3yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPKKYS3JMZk3H7_r0ZjhL8piTLy98nXV6r0fXFi67bC6goE8Qg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAKrFTxE2mhijqKe4Km43RWydtHDnQBC7yUwwD5HmV7GFAPH=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAF+Sg4zWFPbEWe3RtQOVutqo4ikKjkw41fT_5o8ttCbzgCVuQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAKrFTzF8NwXQmyoXftc78SKhoxZMwUXXLqAEQ8q1VKQD0Ua0g@mail.gmail.com>

If you use RackSpace, I encourage NOT to use their cloud service.  I was
billed over 4 grand in one month for minimal and hard to track usage by the
'hour'.

I hate to say this but I'd recommend Linode over RackSoace if you want a
VPS.

On Tuesday, March 27, 2012, David Mintz <david at davidmintz.org> wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Matthew Kaufman <mkfmncom at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>> Apache's mod_websecurity and Snort will help...
>>
>
> Thanks to all. Maybe also I should consider leaving shared hosting
altogether, and moving to Rackspace or similar. It looks like prices have
come way down.
> --
> David Mintz
> http://davidmintz.org/
> It ain't over:
> http://www.healthcare-now.org/
>
>
>
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From chsnyder at gmail.com  Tue Mar 27 12:20:03 2012
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 12:20:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] I've been hit with an eval(base64_decode("...."))
 injection attack
In-Reply-To: <CAAF+Sg4zWFPbEWe3RtQOVutqo4ikKjkw41fT_5o8ttCbzgCVuQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAF+Sg7idDf=etjpQOiX50UyLkPeN3CcX5rxL=wGM8d2ZL0J5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120325200755.GA12577@panix.com>
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	<CAPKKYS3JMZk3H7_r0ZjhL8piTLy98nXV6r0fXFi67bC6goE8Qg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAKrFTxE2mhijqKe4Km43RWydtHDnQBC7yUwwD5HmV7GFAPH=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAF+Sg4zWFPbEWe3RtQOVutqo4ikKjkw41fT_5o8ttCbzgCVuQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPKKYS1hG8abSMRQSDVmHaVvqcTnuy2rXgN_CYVhnt8fu-rFdQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 12:16 PM, David Mintz <david at davidmintz.org> wrote:

> Thanks to all. Maybe also I should consider leaving shared hosting
> altogether, and moving to Rackspace or similar. It looks like prices have
> come way down.
>

DevOps for the win!

On Amazon you can run an EC2 micro instance 24x7 for free.  Probably
as much oomph there as on your current shared host.


From mkfmncom at gmail.com  Tue Mar 27 12:21:45 2012
From: mkfmncom at gmail.com (Matthew Kaufman)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 12:21:45 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] I've been hit with an eval(base64_decode("...."))
 injection attack
In-Reply-To: <CAPKKYS1hG8abSMRQSDVmHaVvqcTnuy2rXgN_CYVhnt8fu-rFdQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAF+Sg7idDf=etjpQOiX50UyLkPeN3CcX5rxL=wGM8d2ZL0J5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120325200755.GA12577@panix.com>
	<CAAF+Sg5c48yVgS=GbacMmigr4C1B8ak3i7vC7nU_wEtdpxi3yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPKKYS3JMZk3H7_r0ZjhL8piTLy98nXV6r0fXFi67bC6goE8Qg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAKrFTxE2mhijqKe4Km43RWydtHDnQBC7yUwwD5HmV7GFAPH=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAF+Sg4zWFPbEWe3RtQOVutqo4ikKjkw41fT_5o8ttCbzgCVuQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPKKYS1hG8abSMRQSDVmHaVvqcTnuy2rXgN_CYVhnt8fu-rFdQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAKrFTxaBFuTYt6OorEXcT2LJD19YhwfEJT2LikfFVyMPMY_vA@mail.gmail.com>

You can?  With root access?

On Tuesday, March 27, 2012, Chris Snyder <chsnyder at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 12:16 PM, David Mintz <david at davidmintz.org>
wrote:
>
>> Thanks to all. Maybe also I should consider leaving shared hosting
>> altogether, and moving to Rackspace or similar. It looks like prices have
>> come way down.
>>
>
> DevOps for the win!
>
> On Amazon you can run an EC2 micro instance 24x7 for free.  Probably
> as much oomph there as on your current shared host.
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show-participation
>
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From chsnyder at gmail.com  Tue Mar 27 12:23:49 2012
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 12:23:49 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] I've been hit with an eval(base64_decode("...."))
 injection attack
In-Reply-To: <CAAKrFTxaBFuTYt6OorEXcT2LJD19YhwfEJT2LikfFVyMPMY_vA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAF+Sg7idDf=etjpQOiX50UyLkPeN3CcX5rxL=wGM8d2ZL0J5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120325200755.GA12577@panix.com>
	<CAAF+Sg5c48yVgS=GbacMmigr4C1B8ak3i7vC7nU_wEtdpxi3yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPKKYS3JMZk3H7_r0ZjhL8piTLy98nXV6r0fXFi67bC6goE8Qg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAKrFTxE2mhijqKe4Km43RWydtHDnQBC7yUwwD5HmV7GFAPH=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAF+Sg4zWFPbEWe3RtQOVutqo4ikKjkw41fT_5o8ttCbzgCVuQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPKKYS1hG8abSMRQSDVmHaVvqcTnuy2rXgN_CYVhnt8fu-rFdQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAKrFTxaBFuTYt6OorEXcT2LJD19YhwfEJT2LikfFVyMPMY_vA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPKKYS1rP5TNrJB7uCC+084EnexVnWHLSMMeXkXTz_LA+9_r6w@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Matthew Kaufman <mkfmncom at gmail.com> wrote:
> You can? ?With root access?

Of course. Tasty cloud kool-aid.

http://aws.amazon.com/free/


From hans at cyberxdesigns.com  Tue Mar 27 12:24:05 2012
From: hans at cyberxdesigns.com (Hans C. Kaspersetz)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 12:24:05 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] I've been hit with an eval(base64_decode("...."))
	injection attack
In-Reply-To: <CAAKrFTzF8NwXQmyoXftc78SKhoxZMwUXXLqAEQ8q1VKQD0Ua0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAF+Sg7idDf=etjpQOiX50UyLkPeN3CcX5rxL=wGM8d2ZL0J5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120325200755.GA12577@panix.com>
	<CAAF+Sg5c48yVgS=GbacMmigr4C1B8ak3i7vC7nU_wEtdpxi3yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPKKYS3JMZk3H7_r0ZjhL8piTLy98nXV6r0fXFi67bC6goE8Qg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAKrFTxE2mhijqKe4Km43RWydtHDnQBC7yUwwD5HmV7GFAPH=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAF+Sg4zWFPbEWe3RtQOVutqo4ikKjkw41fT_5o8ttCbzgCVuQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAKrFTzF8NwXQmyoXftc78SKhoxZMwUXXLqAEQ8q1VKQD0Ua0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <23739793-FBA3-431B-9B69-6F64CF8166A6@cyberxdesigns.com>



On Mar 27, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Matthew Kaufman <mkfmncom at gmail.com> wrote:

> If you use RackSpace, I encourage NOT to use their cloud service.  I was billed over 4 grand in one month for minimal and hard to track usage by the 'hour'.
> 
> I hate to say this but I'd recommend Linode over RackSoace if you want a VPS.
> 

SoftLayer cloud offers fixed monthly pricing and works well. 

Hans Kaspersetz
Cyber X Designs




From mkfmncom at gmail.com  Tue Mar 27 12:30:24 2012
From: mkfmncom at gmail.com (Matthew Kaufman)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 12:30:24 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] I've been hit with an eval(base64_decode("...."))
 injection attack
In-Reply-To: <23739793-FBA3-431B-9B69-6F64CF8166A6@cyberxdesigns.com>
References: <CAAF+Sg7idDf=etjpQOiX50UyLkPeN3CcX5rxL=wGM8d2ZL0J5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120325200755.GA12577@panix.com>
	<CAAF+Sg5c48yVgS=GbacMmigr4C1B8ak3i7vC7nU_wEtdpxi3yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPKKYS3JMZk3H7_r0ZjhL8piTLy98nXV6r0fXFi67bC6goE8Qg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAKrFTxE2mhijqKe4Km43RWydtHDnQBC7yUwwD5HmV7GFAPH=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAF+Sg4zWFPbEWe3RtQOVutqo4ikKjkw41fT_5o8ttCbzgCVuQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAKrFTzF8NwXQmyoXftc78SKhoxZMwUXXLqAEQ8q1VKQD0Ua0g@mail.gmail.com>
	<23739793-FBA3-431B-9B69-6F64CF8166A6@cyberxdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <CAAKrFTyM7ZWVJ-79K-QczosR_mCrERu=Vho-SZ3Xx_fvr_x8eQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah SoftLayer is a good host.  What was the other dedicated host also,
that was owned by ex-RackSpace, for dedicated?

On Tuesday, March 27, 2012, Hans C. Kaspersetz <hans at cyberxdesigns.com>
wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 27, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Matthew Kaufman <mkfmncom at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If you use RackSpace, I encourage NOT to use their cloud service.  I was
billed over 4 grand in one month for minimal and hard to track usage by the
'hour'.
>>
>> I hate to say this but I'd recommend Linode over RackSoace if you want a
VPS.
>>
>
> SoftLayer cloud offers fixed monthly pricing and works well.
>
> Hans Kaspersetz
> Cyber X Designs
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show-participation
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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Tue Mar 27 14:01:40 2012
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 14:01:40 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] I've been hit with an eval(base64_decode("...."))
 injection attack
In-Reply-To: <CAAF+Sg5c48yVgS=GbacMmigr4C1B8ak3i7vC7nU_wEtdpxi3yA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAF+Sg7idDf=etjpQOiX50UyLkPeN3CcX5rxL=wGM8d2ZL0J5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120325200755.GA12577@panix.com>
	<CAAF+Sg5c48yVgS=GbacMmigr4C1B8ak3i7vC7nU_wEtdpxi3yA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120327180139.GA29478@panix.com>

Hi David:

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:47:16AM -0400, David Mintz wrote:
> 
> Yeah, I assembled the regex based specifically on the malicious code that I
> was looking at in all my files. I suppose the trick is to fashion a regex
> that catches an actual eval call inside php tags -- there's  always a
> chance that the string "eval" is is somehow legitimately contained inside
> some php tags.

Sure, that's why you identify the files using grep, then do targeted
editing.  If all uses found need to be blown away, then you can use your
regex search and replace.  Otherwise handle the "good" files manually and
direct your regex search and replace handle the rest.

Oh, and <?php tags should not even be part of the regex.  There can be
other code between the opening tag and the injected code.


> Except when it really needs to, like for writing data to a file-based
> cache, or accepting file uploads. How do you recommend handling those cases?

Specific directories can be left writable.


> I have been wondering, why not chmod ALL your php files to 400? Indeed I
> did this with one site after my infection, but not the several others. Then
> I got hit again, but the site whose php files were 400 was not affected --
> probably not a coincidence.

Probably?  Certainly!


> It's perhaps a bit of an inconvenience when you
> need to update/overwrite, but I see no reason we can't relax permissions
> temporarily for code deployments and reset them back when we're done.

That's why you automate your deploy process.  Easiest way is via shell
scripts.  chmod writable; update files; chmod readable.

--Dan

-- 
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From david at davidmintz.org  Tue Mar 27 15:55:27 2012
From: david at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 15:55:27 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] I've been hit with an eval(base64_decode("...."))
 injection attack
In-Reply-To: <CAAKrFTyM7ZWVJ-79K-QczosR_mCrERu=Vho-SZ3Xx_fvr_x8eQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAF+Sg7idDf=etjpQOiX50UyLkPeN3CcX5rxL=wGM8d2ZL0J5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120325200755.GA12577@panix.com>
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	<CAPKKYS3JMZk3H7_r0ZjhL8piTLy98nXV6r0fXFi67bC6goE8Qg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAKrFTxE2mhijqKe4Km43RWydtHDnQBC7yUwwD5HmV7GFAPH=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAF+Sg4zWFPbEWe3RtQOVutqo4ikKjkw41fT_5o8ttCbzgCVuQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Matthew Kaufman <mkfmncom at gmail.com>wrote:

> Yeah SoftLayer is a good host.  What was the other dedicated host also,
> that was owned by ex-RackSpace, for dedicated?
>
>
>
you're probably thinking of Slicehost.

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David Mintz <david at davidmintz.org> wrote:

>On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Matthew Kaufman
><mkfmncom at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Yeah SoftLayer is a good host.  What was the other dedicated host
>also,
>> that was owned by ex-RackSpace, for dedicated?
>>
>>
>>
>you're probably thinking of Slicehost.

Or ServerBeach which was rack space prior... (peer 1 owns it now)
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