From david at davidmintz.org  Fri Mar  7 23:18:18 2014
From: david at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 23:18:18 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mercilessly trashing PHP over on slashdot
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Have you seen this?

http://developers.slashdot.org/story/14/03/04/2310240/the-new-php

Looks like a lot of people over there think PHP is beneath them.

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From rainelemental at gmail.com  Sat Mar  8 00:11:41 2014
From: rainelemental at gmail.com (Federico Ulfo)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 00:11:41 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mercilessly trashing PHP over on slashdot
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yup, finally most developers are moving away from monolithic framework into
more component based projects, a few months ago Rasmus in a conference said
that framework sucks, since then lot of people on Twitter are following
this trend:
http://www.phpclasses.org/blog/post/226-4-Reasons-Why-All-PHP-Frameworks-Suck.html

Why this is a good news? Well the next time you change company you won't
have to learn a "new" framework (usually the framework is old when you join
into the company). Sure this won't stop legacy code and quantum
entanglements into the code, but at least will limit the damage developers
can do inside the vendor folder of composer.




On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 11:18 PM, David Mintz <david at davidmintz.org> wrote:

>
> Have you seen this?
>
> http://developers.slashdot.org/story/14/03/04/2310240/the-new-php
>
> Looks like a lot of people over there think PHP is beneath them.
>
> --
> David Mintz
> http://davidmintz.org/
> Human needs before private profit:
> http://socialequality.com/
>
>
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From chsnyder at gmail.com  Sat Mar  8 08:31:24 2014
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 08:31:24 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mercilessly trashing PHP over on slashdot
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All frameworks suck... except for the one you use.

"The new PHP is about interoperable components using their comparative
advantage to provide the best combination of ingredients for your project."

And once upon a time, there was this thing called PEAR...



Chris Snyder
http://chxor.chxo.com/


On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 12:11 AM, Federico Ulfo <rainelemental at gmail.com>wrote:

> yup, finally most developers are moving away from monolithic framework
> into more component based projects, a few months ago Rasmus in a conference
> said that framework sucks, since then lot of people on Twitter are
> following this trend:
>
> http://www.phpclasses.org/blog/post/226-4-Reasons-Why-All-PHP-Frameworks-Suck.html
>
> Why this is a good news? Well the next time you change company you won't
> have to learn a "new" framework (usually the framework is old when you join
> into the company). Sure this won't stop legacy code and quantum
> entanglements into the code, but at least will limit the damage developers
> can do inside the vendor folder of composer.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 11:18 PM, David Mintz <david at davidmintz.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> Have you seen this?
>>
>> http://developers.slashdot.org/story/14/03/04/2310240/the-new-php
>>
>> Looks like a lot of people over there think PHP is beneath them.
>>
>> --
>> David Mintz
>> http://davidmintz.org/
>> Human needs before private profit:
>> http://socialequality.com/
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>> http://www.nyphp.org/show-participation
>>
>
>
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>
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From ramons at gmx.net  Sat Mar  8 09:46:54 2014
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2014 09:46:54 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mercilessly trashing PHP over on slashdot
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On 3/8/2014 8:31 AM, Chris Snyder wrote:
> All frameworks suck... except for the one you use.

My experience is that even the one you use sucks. It may just suck less then 
others for your project.

> "The new PHP is about interoperable components using their comparative
> advantage to provide the best combination of ingredients for your project."

Huh? I have no idea what this means. From which marketing brochure for C level 
management was that copied?

David

From casivaagustin at gmail.com  Sat Mar  8 15:56:16 2014
From: casivaagustin at gmail.com (Agustin Casiva)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 17:56:16 -0300
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mercilessly trashing PHP over on slashdot
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Pear was great back in the time, in the old days of PHP 3 with pear we had
ORMs, templates engines, debug tools, logging, caching and a lot of more
tools. The problem was if you wanted to include your new component in the
pear repository, that was pretty hard since it was a very closed and
elitist community. The benefit of that was that the components were real
good and very useful.

Composer is great, is like the new pear, you can find almost anything in
packagist, good components and also a lot of shit. That is good because you
can have more components and a bigger community but the sad part is that
most of the components are zipped shit (same problem that node.js users
have with npm).

Anyways, for me openness and variety is a good thing. These new wave based
in interoperable and reusable components between different frameworks is
great, is a good step in the evolution of the PHP ecosystem and his
community (not just the language).

Regards


On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 11:46 AM, David Krings <ramons at gmx.net> wrote:

> On 3/8/2014 8:31 AM, Chris Snyder wrote:
>
>> All frameworks suck... except for the one you use.
>>
>
> My experience is that even the one you use sucks. It may just suck less
> then others for your project.
>
>
>  "The new PHP is about interoperable components using their comparative
>> advantage to provide the best combination of ingredients for your
>> project."
>>
>
> Huh? I have no idea what this means. From which marketing brochure for C
> level management was that copied?
>
> David
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP User Group Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> http://www.nyphp.org/show-participation
>



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From nhart at partsauthority.com  Wed Mar 19 13:50:12 2014
From: nhart at partsauthority.com (Nicholas Hart)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 13:50:12 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] AS2
Message-ID: <CAA3pqsJbjsQzoy37Mn9s__efwk_OjXXR_Cy9tW3vvCVYmEhYuw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I am looking for help with an AS2 configuration with Amazon Drop Ship
Central.  Has anyone done this?  Has anyone done this with free open source
AS2?  Have been trying to use AS2 Secure which is an open source php AS2
client/server.  Not sure how to troubleshoot.  Any help would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks,
Nick
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From nhart at partsauthority.com  Thu Mar 20 09:38:02 2014
From: nhart at partsauthority.com (Nicholas Hart)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 09:38:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] AS2
Message-ID: <CAA3pqs+EJr1wcBqmPZhm55corirFUt5fq=O2+ASKsHmFf1Se+g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I am looking for help with an AS2 configuration with Amazon Drop Ship
Central.  Has anyone done this?  Has anyone done this with free open source
AS2?  Have been trying to use AS2 Secure which is an open source php AS2
client/server.  Not sure how to troubleshoot.  Any help would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks,
Nick
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