From david at davidmintz.org  Wed Sep 12 16:02:22 2012
From: david at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 16:02:22 -0400
Subject: [zendframework] is it too complicated?
Message-ID: <CAAF+Sg7PRRscpoRJuEnSBOJs+o7J2j1HNSVVSSoR-BZnw79+iA@mail.gmail.com>

I wonder how you guys weigh in on this question. ZF 2.0.0 is out and,
although I confess that I have only read a bit of the code in the sample
app, I can well understand why some people are complaining that it is *
really* complicated.

Too complicated? I know that's a subjective question whose answer depends
on what your background is -- skills and knowledge you bring to the table,
understanding of MVC and OOP and so forth -- and what you intend to use it
for. But I'm interested in hearing what you have to say.

FWIW, I have managed to live perfectly well without Dependency Injection.
How hard is it to use ZF2 without using DI?

Another question is, say you've built an app in ZF1. Try to migrate, or
leave it be? Again, I know the answer is "it depends," but I'm still
interested in hearing opinions.

-- 
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/
It still ain't over:
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From petros.ziogas at gmail.com  Fri Sep 14 01:51:14 2012
From: petros.ziogas at gmail.com (Petros Ziogas)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 08:51:14 +0300
Subject: [zendframework] is it too complicated?
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I must say that I haven't used ZF2 yet so I am not an expert by any
standards.

The fact is that I have some ZF1 applications that are quite big and I
actually read somewhere "ZF2 is completely new system compared to ZF1, I
don't think you can make such kind of migration without decent amount of
recoding". Even if it seems to be more of a refactoring than recoding, the
fact that the new framework cant handle, even partly, php code written some
months ago is very frustrating.

I am so glad that I decided to not use a lot of view helpers and action
helpers.

For now the framework stays ZF1 for me.

Petros Ziogas

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 11:02 PM, David Mintz <david at davidmintz.org> wrote:

>
> I wonder how you guys weigh in on this question. ZF 2.0.0 is out and,
> although I confess that I have only read a bit of the code in the sample
> app, I can well understand why some people are complaining that it is *
> really* complicated.
>
> Too complicated? I know that's a subjective question whose answer depends
> on what your background is -- skills and knowledge you bring to the table,
> understanding of MVC and OOP and so forth -- and what you intend to use it
> for. But I'm interested in hearing what you have to say.
>
> FWIW, I have managed to live perfectly well without Dependency Injection.
> How hard is it to use ZF2 without using DI?
>
> Another question is, say you've built an app in ZF1. Try to migrate, or
> leave it be? Again, I know the answer is "it depends," but I'm still
> interested in hearing opinions.
>
> --
> David Mintz
> http://davidmintz.org/
> It still ain't over:
> http://healthcare-now.org/ <http://healthcare-now.org/>
>
>
>
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From michaelburtonray at gmail.com  Fri Sep 14 11:45:29 2012
From: michaelburtonray at gmail.com (Michael Ray)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 11:45:29 -0400
Subject: [zendframework] is it too complicated?
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You can't deny though that ZF needs to keep evolving. No need to
upgrade an already released product right?

I am curious as to what is in the new version. I hope it lends itself
better to rapd application development.



Michael Ray
c 708-337-1079
michaelburtonray at gmail.com


On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:51 AM, Petros Ziogas <petros.ziogas at gmail.com> wrote:
> I must say that I haven't used ZF2 yet so I am not an expert by any
> standards.
>
> The fact is that I have some ZF1 applications that are quite big and I
> actually read somewhere "ZF2 is completely new system compared to ZF1, I
> don't think you can make such kind of migration without decent amount of
> recoding". Even if it seems to be more of a refactoring than recoding, the
> fact that the new framework cant handle, even partly, php code written some
> months ago is very frustrating.
>
> I am so glad that I decided to not use a lot of view helpers and action
> helpers.
>
> For now the framework stays ZF1 for me.
>
> Petros Ziogas
>
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 11:02 PM, David Mintz <david at davidmintz.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I wonder how you guys weigh in on this question. ZF 2.0.0 is out and,
>> although I confess that I have only read a bit of the code in the sample
>> app, I can well understand why some people are complaining that it is really
>> complicated.
>>
>> Too complicated? I know that's a subjective question whose answer depends
>> on what your background is -- skills and knowledge you bring to the table,
>> understanding of MVC and OOP and so forth -- and what you intend to use it
>> for. But I'm interested in hearing what you have to say.
>>
>> FWIW, I have managed to live perfectly well without Dependency Injection.
>> How hard is it to use ZF2 without using DI?
>>
>> Another question is, say you've built an app in ZF1. Try to migrate, or
>> leave it be? Again, I know the answer is "it depends," but I'm still
>> interested in hearing opinions.
>>
>> --
>> David Mintz
>> http://davidmintz.org/
>> It still ain't over:
>> http://healthcare-now.org/
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> New York PHP SIG: Zend Framework Mailing List
>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/zendframework
>>
>> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
>> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From alan at alanseiden.com  Sat Sep 15 17:40:47 2012
From: alan at alanseiden.com (Alan Seiden)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 17:40:47 -0400
Subject: [zendframework] is it too complicated?
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Message-ID: <5054F5DF.2020503@alanseiden.com>

David, my plan is to learn as much as I can during this year's ZendCon, 
which will focus heavily on ZF2. I know several of us NYPHP'ers will be 
attending. Perhaps we should do a ZF2 topic when we return.

Alan

On 9/12/12 4:02 PM, David Mintz wrote:
>
> I wonder how you guys weigh in on this question. ZF 2.0.0 is out and, 
> although I confess that I have only read a bit of the code in the 
> sample app, I can well understand why some people are complaining that 
> it is /really/ complicated.
>
> Too complicated? I know that's a subjective question whose answer 
> depends on what your background is -- skills and knowledge you bring 
> to the table, understanding of MVC and OOP and so forth -- and what 
> you intend to use it for. But I'm interested in hearing what you have 
> to say.
>
> FWIW, I have managed to live perfectly well without Dependency 
> Injection. How hard is it to use ZF2 without using DI?
>
> Another question is, say you've built an app in ZF1. Try to migrate, 
> or leave it be? Again, I know the answer is "it depends," but I'm 
> still interested in hearing opinions.
>
> -- 
> David Mintz
> http://davidmintz.org/
> It still ain't over:
> http://healthcare-now.org/ <http://healthcare-now.org/>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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