[nycphp-jobs] Re: Freelance Remote PHP/MySQL gig with about 5+ yrs of exp &
Jon Tascher
jontas at gmail.com
Sat Aug 9 16:03:49 EDT 2008
Hi,
I just wanted to point out that price does not directly correlate to
quality. Although more experienced programmers who (presumably) produce
better code will often charge more, this is not always the case and
certainly does not translate to the overseas market. I am sure there are
many excellent and qualified foreign programmers who are able to charge less
than American programmers due to the differences in cost of life. That is
the usually a reason for outsourcing overseas. Just because someone is
cheap(er) does not necessarily imply inexperience or poor skills.
Jon Tascher
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> 1. Re: Important Info & Request to all members in this forum abt
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> 2. Re: Freelance Remote PHP/MySQL gig with about 5+ yrs (Steve Manes)
> 3. Re: Freelance Remote PHP/MySQL gig with about 5+ yrs of exp &
> good client references (Robert Gulian)
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> Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 16:09:25 -0300
> From: "Guilherme Blanco" <guilhermeblanco at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-jobs] Important Info & Request to all members in
> this forum abt my initial pos
> To: c_sundar_2k1 at yahoo.co.in
> Cc: jobs at lists.nyphp.org
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> Actually it seems Ben did it wrong.
>
> None here born with all knowledge, and surely they improved their
> skills by working hard to improve themselves while reading,
> researching and experimenting.
> So, none here has enough words to point a finger on someone else's
> face, talk about skills, etc.
>
> You pay for your code and if you want to pay less, your code will be
> less secure, organized, implemented.
> That's what differ senior, junior, etc and also good and bad programmers.
> I'll never put my money into a 15yrs. old boy that tells me that knows
> PHP, since I know I have a great chance to have holes in my code.
>
> Short version: The amount of money you pay is the code art equivalent you
> have.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 3:47 PM, sundar rajan <c_sundar_2k1 at yahoo.co.in>
> wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Thanks for all the criticism to my post & the reply sent by Ben.
> >
> > Actually I never know who this guys Ben is , I have never worked with him
> > before & ofcourse he is not my client too.
> >
> > I have been in this freelancing profession for abt 3+ yrs & never got
> such
> > criticism from my clients , though I had troubles / faults in the project
> > that I work with my clients , they use to tell me the changes & I do make
> > sure to deliver those changes as per the client's requests.
> >
> > I never leave my clients in trouble with frustration , even though if I
> do
> > some mistakes I do admit to my clients & they give me a chance to work on
> it
> > & prove it & I have done so.
> >
> > You all can have a look at my online portfolio at
> http://www.sundarrajan.com
> > , besides I have also been member in various freelancing forums & have
> good
> > client reference , reputation.
> >
> > If you all wish to help a fellow programmer like me , just request Ben to
> > send us what project I worked that had the issues as he said. To the best
> of
> > my knowledge I don't think there shud be such projects , but if there
> were
> > some issues the client would have got resolved it with me , they would'nt
> > speak bad abt me to a third party code auditor like Ben (because all the
> > clients I have worked were very genuine , pleasant & helpfull in nature).
> >
> > Pls guys never think bad & have a negative impression abt me, due to
> Ben's
> > posting , though I'm not located in US , I do work with clients based at
> US
> > / UK etc,..
> >
> > 510.455.4387 this is my US skypein number , you can call me in this
> number
> > if you have issues with this post.
> >
> > I wonder why Ben has posted such critics abt my thread publicly on this
> > forum.
> >
> > Anyway lets wait for a good solution.
> >
> > --- On Sat, 8/9/08, Sean Fulton <sean at gcnpublishing.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Sean Fulton <sean at gcnpublishing.com>
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-jobs] Freelance Remote PHP/MySQL gig with about 5+
> yrs
> > ofexp & good client references
> > To: "Andrew Wint" <wint at socketnet.com>
> > Cc: jobs at lists.nyphp.org
> > Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 9:55 PM
> >
> > I disagree. This wasn't a former employer complaining about a
> consultant's
> > work, this was another consultant, a competitor if you will, stating as
> fact
> > something that no one can possibly double-check. I think it's unfair, and
> am
> > surprised that, on a list dedicated to helping consultants find jobs, you
> > folks would not be more concerned about it. I think this is the first
> time I
> > have seen someone in a public forum accuse someone of something and not
> be
> > called to provide proof of their claims. Very puzzling.
> >
> > No one knows what the job requirements were, what the client's
> expectations
> > were, or what the budget was. Did the client provide enough time and
> budget
> > to have the job done right, or did they just say, "Get it done for next
> to
> > nothing," and then when they realized the short-sidedness of their
> approach,
> > hire Ben to clean up the mess rather than go back to the developer they
> > low-balled and admit that they didn't give him enough time and $$ to do
> the
> > job correctly. We don't know. Ben won't even tell the list who the client
> > was or produce evidence of the inferior work. So to my mind, this whole
> > thread is quite unfair to the developer who originally posted his
> > availability and should be dropped.
> >
> > Finally, as you read this, please keep in mind that we are a company that
> > employs people on this list, that's why I subscribe. I have employed
> > developers here in the US and in six other countries. I find *no*
> > geo-political differences in coding skills. We evaluate developers based
> on
> > samples, client references and their ability to follow directions. I have
> > had more than a few developers who are so focused on developing "great
> code"
> > that they completely ignore the project specs, budget and time-lines.
> Those
> > people don't last long, but people who follow directions do.
> >
> > Again, without knowing the original assignment that Sundar was given and
> > what went on between he and the client at that time, facts which I doubt
> > even Ben knows, we really can't draw any useful conclusions nor should we
> > try.
> >
> > Just my $.02.
> >
> > sean
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Andrew Wint wrote:
> >
> > All he did was to provide transparency, now we are discussing the issues.
> > Kristina gave very valid points about the 'delivery of crappy code' and
> not
> > being able to take action because they are in another country.
> > Another point is that this why we have standards of development
> practices,
> > these standards shouldn't be compromised they can bend a bit but not
> break.
> > Sundar needs to seek them out and adhere to them.
> > I know it may seem harsh but it may help Sundar down the line in his
> growth.
> > As well as protect a small struggling company, thinking they are saving
> > money but falling into a trap.
> > Ben did a good thing.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Aug 9, 2008, at 10:50 AM, RDP wrote:
> >
> > I'm sorry Donna, but I disagree.
> >
> > It's perfectly fine to express a view about someone's work.
> >
> > Of course we make errors in our code, everybody does. But you can't
> > evaluate experience without examining ones work.
> >
> > And employers DO give out this information. Especially if an individual
> was
> > let go because of inability.
> >
> > Finally, I'm having a problem imagining rows of unemployed PHP coders
> down
> > and out on skid-row in cardboard boxes, homeless, because their work was
> > criticized.
> >
> > Bye,
> >
> > Rob
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Donna Marie Vincent
> > To: jobs at lists.nyphp.org
> > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 9:26 AM
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-jobs] Freelance Remote PHP/MySQL gig with about 5+
> yrs
> > ofexp & good client references
> > It's not only unethical to publicly disparage an individual's ability to
> > perform a job, you could be subject to legal action.
> >
> > Have you ever made an error while performing your job duties?
> >
> > Even a former employer would not give out this type of information. Do
> you
> > want to be responsible for someone not getting work, and ending up
> homeless
> > on the street, because of your personal opinion about their work, which
> may
> > or may not be valid?
> >
> > This is not the same as publicly criticizing a particular product, or a
> > company's business practice.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Sat, 8/9/08, Ben Sgro <ben at projectskyline.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Ben Sgro <ben at projectskyline.com>
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-jobs] Freelance Remote PHP/MySQL gig with about 5+
> yrs
> > of exp & good client references
> > To:
> > Cc: jobs at lists.nyphp.org
> > Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 2:17 AM
> >
> > Hey,
> >
> > I audited a site this guy built - it was full of holes - SQL injection,
> > XSS, default passwords on CMS admin accounts, etc.
> >
> > Also, the code was PHP4 w/HTML sprinkled all over it, cut and paste, no
> > functions. No layouts, templates or
> > smarty.
> > Basically, impossible and very time consuming to make updates.
> >
> > Be sure to request some source before you work with him.
> >
> > - Ben
> >
> > sundar rajan wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi
> > ,
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm a Freelance Telecommuting PHP/MySQL Programmer with about 5+ yrs
> >> of experience in building web applications .
> >>
> >>
> >> Following are the type of small / contract jobs that I take:
> >> /Creating Custom scripts
> >> Member signup with email verification & login with session
> > authentication
> >> Dynamic PDF File generation from the database information using FPDF
> >> libraries
> >> Command line processing of PHP scripts
> >> Installing CAPTCHA security code for the forms
> >> Google Maps <http://maps.google.com/> API to display a location with
> >
> >> pop-up
> > info
> >> XML parsing to database
> >> CSV parsing to database
> >> RSS feeds using Carp
> >> Handling File uploads
> >> Generating statistics reports from the database values
> >> Generating Graphical reports from the database values
> >> Generating Excel download from the database
> > values
> >> Working with complex queries in Mysql console
> >> Building application with SEO friendly URLs
> >> Installing MySQL , Apache , PHP , SVN , AWStats & software apps in
> >> linux boxes
> >> /
> >> I can also take up bigger projects with proper specification documents
> >> along with the UI/HTML prototypes.
> >>
> >>
> >> Checkout my online portfolio at http://www.sundarrajan.com
> >> <http://www.sundarrajan.com/> to know more about my skill-set ,
> >> experiences , projects as
> > well as client references.
> >>
> >> As a verified premier paypal member since 2005 with over 70 seller
> >> reputation , I can accept paypal / credit card payments.
> >>
> >> Please do contact me for further details , if you have any jobs.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> With regards,
> >> Sundar
> >> Phone: (+1) 510.455.4387
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
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> >
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> >
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> > --
> > Sean Fulton
> > GCN Publishing, Inc.
> > Internet Design, Development and Consulting For Today's Media Companies
> > http://www.gcnpublishing.com
> > (203) 665-6211, x203
> >
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> >
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> >
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>
>
>
> --
> Guilherme Blanco - Web Developer
> CBC - Certified Bindows Consultant
> Cell Phone: +55 (16) 9166-6902
> MSN: guilhermeblanco at hotmail.com
> URL: http://blog.bisna.com
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 15:20:38 -0400
> From: Steve Manes <smanes at magpie.com>
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-jobs] Freelance Remote PHP/MySQL gig with about 5+
> yrs
> To: jobs at lists.nyphp.org
> Message-ID: <489DEE06.4090801 at magpie.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Kristina Anderson wrote:
> > There are some on this list who've previously said that "the market"
> > will take care of situations where people want to pay low wages to
> > programmers. One of the ways that "the market" might do this,
> > theoretically, is to make sure that people find out the hard way, when
> > they hire cheap programmers
>
> I'm just not sure that's a lesson that can be learned by singling out
> one programmer for critical review. Anyone who's been in this business
> for a few years has heard the nightmare outsourcing stories and knows
> that the market for software talent works pretty much the same as it
> does buying a TV or a hamburger: caveat emptor. If they choose to
> ignore it, well, that's who lottery tickets are made for.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 15:55:29 -0400
> From: Robert Gulian <bob.gulian at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-jobs] Freelance Remote PHP/MySQL gig with about 5+
> yrs of exp & good client references
> To: jobs at lists.nyphp.org
> Message-ID: <DDA9563C-FCCB-4B3C-893C-54418D09FAF9 at verizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Ben,
>
> Your .02$ may backfire on you. You may have an obligation to your
> client to report your opinion but you have an obligation not to report
> it to the world at large. I believe it was a bad judgement on your
> part and if enough people feel likewise, it may be you who loses work
> over it.
>
> Just my .02$.
>
> Bob
>
> On Aug 9, 2008, at 10:12 AM, Ben Sgro wrote:
>
> > It's my .02$. People are free to make their own decision.
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Aug 9, 2008, at 9:26 AM, Donna Marie Vincent <
> donnamarievincent at yahoo.com
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> It's not only unethical to publicly disparage an individual's
> >> ability to perform a job, you could be subject to legal action.
> >>
> >> Have you ever made an error while performing your job duties?
> >>
> >> Even a former employer would not give out this type of
> >> information. Do you want to be responsible for someone not getting
> >> work, and ending up homeless on the street, because of your
> >> personal opinion about their work, which may or may not be valid?
> >>
> >> This is not the same as publicly criticizing a particular product,
> >> or a company's business practice.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Sat, 8/9/08, Ben Sgro <ben at projectskyline.com> wrote:
> >> From: Ben Sgro <ben at projectskyline.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [nycphp-jobs] Freelance Remote PHP/MySQL gig with about
> >> 5+ yrs of exp & good client references
> >> To:
> >> Cc: jobs at lists.nyphp.org
> >> Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 2:17 AM
> >>
> >> Hey,
> >>
> >> I audited a site this guy built - it was full of holes - SQL
> >> injection,
> >> XSS, default passwords on CMS admin accounts, etc.
> >>
> >> Also, the code was PHP4 w/HTML sprinkled all over it, cut and
> >> paste, no
> >> functions. No layouts, templates or
> >> smarty.
> >> Basically, impossible and very time consuming to make updates.
> >>
> >> Be sure to request some source before you work with him.
> >>
> >> - Ben
> >>
> >> sundar rajan wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hi
> >> ,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I'm a Freelance Telecommuting PHP/MySQL Programmer with about 5+
> >> yrs
> >> > of experience in building web applications .
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Following are the type of small / contract jobs that I take:
> >> > /Creating Custom scripts
> >> > Member signup with email verification & login with session
> >> authentication
> >> > Dynamic PDF File generation from the database information using
> >> FPDF
> >> > libraries
> >> > Command line processing of PHP scripts
> >> > Installing CAPTCHA security code for the forms
> >> > Google Maps <http://maps.google.com/> API to display a location
> >> with
> >>
> >> > pop-up
> >> info
> >> > XML parsing to database
> >> > CSV parsing to database
> >> > RSS feeds using Carp
> >> > Handling File uploads
> >> > Generating statistics reports from the database values
> >> > Generating Graphical reports from the database values
> >> > Generating Excel download from the database
> >> values
> >> > Working with complex queries in Mysql console
> >> > Building application with SEO friendly URLs
> >> > Installing MySQL , Apache , PHP , SVN , AWStats & software apps in
> >> > linux boxes
> >> > /
> >> > I can also take up bigger projects with proper specification
> >> documents
> >> > along with the UI/HTML prototypes.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Checkout my online portfolio at http://www.sundarrajan.com
> >> > <http://www.sundarrajan.com/> to know more about my skill-set ,
> >> > experiences , projects as
> >> well as client references.
> >> >
> >> > As a verified premier paypal member since 2005 with over 70 seller
> >> > reputation , I can accept paypal / credit card payments.
> >> >
> >> > Please do contact me for further details , if you have any jobs.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > With regards,
> >> > Sundar
> >> > Phone: (+1) 510.455.4387
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > New York PHP Community Jobs Mailing List
> >> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs
> >> >
> >> > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> >> > http://www.nyphpcon.com
> >> >
> >> > Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> >> > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> New York PHP Community Jobs Mailing List
> >> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs
> >>
> >> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> >> http://www.nyphpcon.com
> >>
> >> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> >> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> New York PHP Community Jobs Mailing List
> >> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs
> >>
> >> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> >> http://www.nyphpcon.com
> >>
> >> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> >> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
> > _______________________________________________
> > New York PHP Community Jobs Mailing List
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs
> >
> > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> > http://www.nyphpcon.com
> >
> > Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
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