NYCPHP Meetup

[Stephen Britton]

Yes Chris and Matt. That is what I done too.

I got tried of spending time trying to work with  commercial templates and
two years ago created my own "minimal" Joomla template that borrows from
the 960 grid system CSS framework and some code from Matt's Construct
Framework.

There is no javascript, Mootools, and jQuery, just a basic stripped down
layout with about a dozen module positions and a Suckerfish CSS horizontal
menu. Then depending on the project, I can add Mootools or jQuery menus if
requested.

I am currently updating my framework template with the Twitter Bootstrap
framework, which has jQuery features, but they are very basic.

Matt, do you know if the templates shipping with Joomla 3.0 with be based
on Bootstrap?

- - - Steve

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Chris French <contact at chrisfrench.me>wrote:

> I agree with Matt, Years ago I found the tempting frameworks very useful
> but as i started to develop my own templates I found them very frustrating
>  to develop custom code into.
>
> I now always just use joomla native templating
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Jun 21, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Matt Thomas wrote:
>
> One aspect worth noting, regarding frameworks, is that many of them were
> originally created to make it easier for user's to modify and customize the
> template through an administrative interface. One side effect of that a few
> of them had to create their own unique solutions to accomplish this, which
> resulted in a more complicated code base.
>
> Some users that need to modify custom templates, might find it easier to
> avoid frameworks like this and build a template from the ground up. Other
> frameworks are more easily modified on the code level.
>
> It's sort of the yen yang of code complexity versus user experience.
>
> Best,
>
> Matt Thomas
> Founder betweenbrain <http://betweenbrain.com/>™
> Lead Developer Construct Template Development Framework<http://construct-framework.com/>
> Phone: 203.632.9322
> Twitter: @betweenbrain
> Github: https://github.com/betweenbrain
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Stephen Britton <sbritton at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Janet,
>>
>> Thank you for the advice. I'll give it a try.
>>
>> - - - Steve
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Janet Sullivan <jmsullivan50 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Stephen:
>>>
>>> I'm using a "son of yoothemes" template,  that also uses the Warp
>>> framework. In order for the "styles" folder to work,
>>> you need to duplicate the "empty-style" folder in the framework, rename
>>> it to something - (like my_custom_styles) then
>>> ftp my-custom-styles to the Styles folder within the template folder,
>>> and it seems to work.
>>>
>>>
>>> Janet Sullivan
>>>
>>>    ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Stephen Britton <sbritton at gmail.com>
>>> *To:* NYPHP SIG: Joomla <joomla at lists.nyphp.org>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 21, 2012 3:37 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [joomla] How hard can it be to make an override?
>>>
>>> I agree the new YooTheme templates undergone major changes. The 2.5
>>> versions are far more code heavy than 1.5. The Warp framework has added
>>> another layer to figure out.
>>>
>>> I am pulling my hair out trying to make a custom background work in
>>> Symphony. YooTheme says you can create a "styles" folder and override the
>>> CSS, but it doesn't work.
>>>
>>> As for the regular HTML overrides, like com_content and com_contact, I
>>> have noticed no or very little difference between the two. It is not a
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Donna Marie Vincent <
>>> donnamarievincent at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Are you speaking of template overrides?  If so, which template are you
>>> using?  I noticed on the Yootheme templates the template overrides were not
>>> where I was expecting them to be.  This was a function of their warp
>>> system, not Joomla.
>>>
>>>
>>>   ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Helvécio da Silva <helvecio.rj at gmail.com>
>>> *To:* NYPHP SIG: Joomla <joomla at lists.nyphp.org>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 21, 2012 3:22 PM
>>> *Subject:* [joomla] How hard can it be to make an override?
>>>
>>> I just started a project where I needed to do some overrides.
>>>
>>> I've been doing this for years, as it was extremaly easy find the piece
>>> of HTML code I wanted to change, then do it, while keeping functions
>>> around.
>>>
>>> Now, with 2.5 it seems things have changed drastically. I cannot find
>>> the HTML as easy as I used to. Thus, it is impossible to change things to
>>> look like I want to. If this is true, Joomla won't be a flexible CMS as it
>>> was before because non-programmers WON'T know what and where to change.
>>>
>>> As I am NOT a programmer, I'm having a hard time with this issue, that I
>>> never had before.
>>>
>>> Geez...
>>>
>>> --
>>> Helvecio "Elvis" da Silva
>>> Rio de Janeiro - Brasil - helvecio.rj at gmail.com
>>> http://www.helvecio.com - http://blog.helvecio.com
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> New York PHP SIG: Joomla! Mailing List
>>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/joomla
>>>
>>> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
>>> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>>>
>>> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
>>> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> New York PHP SIG: Joomla! Mailing List
>>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/joomla
>>>
>>> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
>>> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>>>
>>> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
>>> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Stephen Britton
>>> Technology Consultant
>>> sbritton at gmail.com
>>> Twitter: @StephenBritton
>>> ph: 914-661-0040
>>>
>>> "Life isn't about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself." -
>>> George Bernard Shaw
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> New York PHP SIG: Joomla! Mailing List
>>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/joomla
>>>
>>> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
>>> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>>>
>>> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
>>> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> New York PHP SIG: Joomla! Mailing List
>>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/joomla
>>>
>>> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
>>> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>>>
>>> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
>>> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Stephen Britton
>> Technology Consultant
>> sbritton at gmail.com
>> Twitter: @StephenBritton
>> ph: 914-661-0040
>>
>> "Life isn't about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself." -
>> George Bernard Shaw
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> New York PHP SIG: Joomla! Mailing List
>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/joomla
>>
>> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
>> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>>
>> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
>> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP SIG: Joomla! Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/joomla
>
> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>
> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP SIG: Joomla! Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/joomla
>
> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>
> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>



-- 
Stephen Britton
Technology Consultant
sbritton at gmail.com
Twitter: @StephenBritton
ph: 914-661-0040

"Life isn't about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself." -
George Bernard Shaw
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.nyphp.org/pipermail/joomla/attachments/20120621/87ee47f4/attachment.html>