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[David Roth]

There should be a one page quick start guide shipped with each template at
the very least.

David Roth

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Stephen Britton <sbritton at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes Chris and Matt. That is what I done too.
>
> I got tried of spending time trying to work with  commercial templates and
> two years ago created my own "minimal" Joomla template that borrows from
> the 960 grid system CSS framework and some code from Matt's Construct
> Framework.
>
> There is no javascript, Mootools, and jQuery, just a basic stripped down
> layout with about a dozen module positions and a Suckerfish CSS horizontal
> menu. Then depending on the project, I can add Mootools or jQuery menus if
> requested.
>
> I am currently updating my framework template with the Twitter Bootstrap
> framework, which has jQuery features, but they are very basic.
>
> Matt, do you know if the templates shipping with Joomla 3.0 with be based
> on Bootstrap?
>
> - - - Steve
>
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Chris French <contact at chrisfrench.me>wrote:
>
>> I agree with Matt, Years ago I found the tempting frameworks very useful
>> but as i started to develop my own templates I found them very frustrating
>>  to develop custom code into.
>>
>> I now always just use joomla native templating
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> On Jun 21, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Matt Thomas wrote:
>>
>> One aspect worth noting, regarding frameworks, is that many of them were
>> originally created to make it easier for user's to modify and customize the
>> template through an administrative interface. One side effect of that a few
>> of them had to create their own unique solutions to accomplish this, which
>> resulted in a more complicated code base.
>>
>> Some users that need to modify custom templates, might find it easier to
>> avoid frameworks like this and build a template from the ground up. Other
>> frameworks are more easily modified on the code level.
>>
>> It's sort of the yen yang of code complexity versus user experience.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Matt Thomas
>> Founder betweenbrain <http://betweenbrain.com/>™
>> Lead Developer Construct Template Development Framework<http://construct-framework.com/>
>> Phone: 203.632.9322
>> Twitter: @betweenbrain
>> Github: https://github.com/betweenbrain
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Stephen Britton <sbritton at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Janet,
>>>
>>> Thank you for the advice. I'll give it a try.
>>>
>>> - - - Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Janet Sullivan <jmsullivan50 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Stephen:
>>>>
>>>> I'm using a "son of yoothemes" template,  that also uses the Warp
>>>> framework. In order for the "styles" folder to work,
>>>> you need to duplicate the "empty-style" folder in the framework, rename
>>>> it to something - (like my_custom_styles) then
>>>> ftp my-custom-styles to the Styles folder within the template folder,
>>>> and it seems to work.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Janet Sullivan
>>>>
>>>>    ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Stephen Britton <sbritton at gmail.com>
>>>> *To:* NYPHP SIG: Joomla <joomla at lists.nyphp.org>
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 21, 2012 3:37 PM
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [joomla] How hard can it be to make an override?
>>>>
>>>> I agree the new YooTheme templates undergone major changes. The 2.5
>>>> versions are far more code heavy than 1.5. The Warp framework has added
>>>> another layer to figure out.
>>>>
>>>> I am pulling my hair out trying to make a custom background work in
>>>> Symphony. YooTheme says you can create a "styles" folder and override the
>>>> CSS, but it doesn't work.
>>>>
>>>> As for the regular HTML overrides, like com_content and com_contact, I
>>>> have noticed no or very little difference between the two. It is not a
>>>> problem.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Donna Marie Vincent <
>>>> donnamarievincent at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Are you speaking of template overrides?  If so, which template are you
>>>> using?  I noticed on the Yootheme templates the template overrides were not
>>>> where I was expecting them to be.  This was a function of their warp
>>>> system, not Joomla.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Helvécio da Silva <helvecio.rj at gmail.com>
>>>> *To:* NYPHP SIG: Joomla <joomla at lists.nyphp.org>
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 21, 2012 3:22 PM
>>>> *Subject:* [joomla] How hard can it be to make an override?
>>>>
>>>> I just started a project where I needed to do some overrides.
>>>>
>>>> I've been doing this for years, as it was extremaly easy find the piece
>>>> of HTML code I wanted to change, then do it, while keeping functions
>>>> around.
>>>>
>>>> Now, with 2.5 it seems things have changed drastically. I cannot find
>>>> the HTML as easy as I used to. Thus, it is impossible to change things to
>>>> look like I want to. If this is true, Joomla won't be a flexible CMS as it
>>>> was before because non-programmers WON'T know what and where to change.
>>>>
>>>> As I am NOT a programmer, I'm having a hard time with this issue, that
>>>> I never had before.
>>>>
>>>> Geez...
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Helvecio "Elvis" da Silva
>>>> Rio de Janeiro - Brasil - helvecio.rj at gmail.com
>>>> http://www.helvecio.com - http://blog.helvecio.com
>>>>
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>>>> "Life isn't about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself." -
>>>> George Bernard Shaw
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Stephen Britton
>>> Technology Consultant
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>>> Twitter: @StephenBritton
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>>>
>>> "Life isn't about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself." -
>>> George Bernard Shaw
>>>
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>>
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>
>
>
> --
> Stephen Britton
> Technology Consultant
> sbritton at gmail.com
> Twitter: @StephenBritton
> ph: 914-661-0040
>
> "Life isn't about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself." -
> George Bernard Shaw
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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